December 30th Oath Spoilers

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The 2/1 double striker was confirmed

>>44461809
looks nice, the best rare we've seen so far?

>>44461809
Is it just me or does the art from this and from Eldrazi Mimic show the eldrazi starting to look more and more this-worldly (and less other-worldly)?

>>44461883
These are Kozi's brood, they are supposed to look like that.

>>44461883
That's because Kozilek's brood actively copies creatures living on Zendikar but imperfectly.

>>44461835
Fuckin' neat.

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New ones

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>2R
>Devoid
>When you cast ~, you may pay 1C. If you do, gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn.
>Haste
>3/1

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>>44462871

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http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/limited-information/five-amazing-threes-2015-12-30

Uncommon cycle

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look! Even more support support!

>>44462860
wow this is an uncommon?

>>44462948
Come from behind card, like Timely Reinforcement.

>>44462948
Aren't Zendikari angels meant to have halos over their eyes? Because they weren't able to fight the Eldrazi the last time, and had to turn away from all the suffering?

>>44462948
Best limited card of the set confirmed.

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>>44462913
>4GW

>>44462860
>>44462897
These two are very good.

>>44462925
>>44462934
These two are kinda average. The Drone looked very aggressive though.

>>44462913
suk

>>44462886
Meh

>>44463294
Original Linvala doesn't have a halo over her eyes, though.

>>44462860
If this had flash, would it become a good card for modern? Because that would be fun.

>>44462886
This would be fine if dark rit were in the format

>>44463594
I could see it seeing some play with Flash. Dunno what deck wants it though.

>>44462886
I'm okay with this. They really tried to push the power of "let your opponent choose" card.

>>44462860
I'll be tinkering with these in Modern D&T. Vial in, then Wisp/Resto for maximum annoyance.

>>44463632
Jeskai Geist midrange has always been a fringe playable deck. Acess to path, electrolyze, bolt, great sideboard options like stony silence, ghostly prison, ect.

>>44463632
There was that bant deck that people were trying to make with retreat. Add this in for extra tempo and you could potentially beat the opponent down with knights of the reliquary and some goyfs before your opponent can get into their pace.

>>44462948
Value town.

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>>44462948
They did the worst thing you could do to a legendary with a relatively small body and an unusual, powerful ability: they turned her into an action hero. Not only are the higher casting cost, big body, and comparatively plain abilities very "safe", they're conventional. They're boring.

Worst of all they're absolutely nothing like her previous ability, which was cool and different.

>>44462913
>>44462925
Is it just me or does the art for these two cards just look slightly off?

>>44462913
>Have her as the only creature on the field
>6 Cost ability that doesn't even help itself

Nice going there WotC.

>>44462948
Not bad, but control is pretty much covered with Ojutai, isn't it?

>>44464488
When you're at 6 mana and have no other creatures out when playing GW, you have already lost the game, bruv.

>>44461809
>>44461828
>>44461835
>>44462860
>>44462871
>>44462886
>>44462897
>>44462913
>>44462925
>>44462934
>>44462948
All of these look epic for my EDH decks! :)

>>44464652
fuck off retard

>>44464488
Shit. I didnt notice the "other" clause. What the fuck wizards??? Was putting a counter on uself for 6 too broken for limited?

>>44464652
You build shitty decks

I play budget Edh and not one of those would be worth a slot compared to a $0.05 common

>>44464787
>shitty decks
>EDH
So you are saying that people should build competative/good EDH decks? That pretty much goes against what a casual format is and is against the true spirit of EDH.

Not that mass quoting reject, but people like you are making EDH bad.

>>44464846
>>44464787
Both of you make /tg/ look bad with your memes.

>>44464750
And you need two other creatures for it to do the maximum. Support kinda suck from the initial idea.

>>44464529
I can see using one or two of Linvala. It lets you catch up if you're behind and stabilizes the board.

This spoiler thread is almost dead. Aren't you interested in getting new overcosted midrange-shit that you can tap, /tg/?

>>44462948
Wizards just broke Commander. I can't even.........

>>44464958
As a commander, she's sub-par. As a member of your 99, she's a fine flicker target, but that's about it.

Also, EDH as a format is inherently broken. This is a format that thinks Sol Ring is fair.

>>44464652
:^)

>>44465031
>Fine Flicker target
>Can now imagine this in a Brago deck
>Cast, get 5 life and a 3/3, swing, flick and get another 5 life and 3/3

Jesus...

>>44463649
What? No it's awful. For 6 mana I could make my opponent discard 4 cards and take 4 damage, for 7 mana I could have them take 10 damage and gain 10 life, I'm not sure how valuable 'sac 2 creatures is' but I would guess that 5 mana seems roughly right. Which of the following would you justify paying 5 mana for:
-Opponent sacs 2 creatures/planeswalkers
-Opponent sacs a creature/walker and loses 5
-Opponent sacs a creature/walker and discards 2
-Opponent discards 4
-Opponent discards 2 and takes 5
-Opponent takes 10

Personally I'd only play the last mode and maybe the first if they were just those cards at 3BB, everything else seems overcosted.

>>44465233
Yeah, generally this is going to read "Opponent loses 5 life and either sacrifices a creature or discards two lands".

A typical Win-More card, it doesn't do anything useful if you're losing or trying to develop but closes out a victory spectacularly.

>>44465233
>-Opponent takes 10
This one. You get two Lava Axes for half the cost and win after casting it two times. Shame you can't choose what it does.

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>>44462913
"Before the battle, I heard them take an oath near the ruins of the Sea Gate. I hope they inspire others to keep watch."

>>44465233

The card's just designed so it never has a "dead" mode.

If they can't discard they have to sac a creature, if they have no creatures to sac then sac a planeswalker and if no planeswalkers to sac then they lose 5 life

>>44465470
Yea, an oath to GTFO of Zendikar if things go bad.

Seriously theres no way that these 4 can pummel the Eldrazi gods to death.

>Great uncommon cycle!!!
>both blue ones are great
>both green ones are suck incarnate

You too

>>44465471

So the card is designed so that the only time it does anything useful is when you're already going to win. Wew lad.

>>44465659

Yeah I know it's not really that great either way.

But the whole point of that particular card design is that it's never dead in hand. I see where they're coming from but it should have costed 4cmc. Then again maybe rotation slows Standard down and makes it playable or something.

>>44465233
The issue with opponents choice cards.

In theory they look really undercosted, but in practice they are always pretty dogshit.

>>44465471
Losing 10 life is a pretty dead mode unless they are below 11

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I didn't realise before but is this shit a mythic? I know it has lore significance but making a utility spell mythic is pretty cheesy.
Thank fuck radiant flames exists.

>>44465754
What sucks is a lot of decks are gonna want a few of these

>>44465696

>Losing 10 life is a pretty dead mode unless they are below 11

That's not what a dead mode is. A dead mode or a dead card in hand is a card that has no possible way of affecting an opponent or able to be played to have an effect. If they still have life and can still lose life that's not a dead mode, if the card didn't have the "lose life" clause then there's a chance that your opponent could have 0 cards in hand with 0 creatures and planeswalkers in play and then you would quite literally have a dead card in hand with all modes dead.

Now if this card was in a mono B deck and the opponent had something like a Leyline of Sanctity(or Orb of Warding for Standard for that matter) in play then the card is 100% dead no matter what.

>>44465780
That's what I mean, it's not like a big splashy spell like mythics should be, but a solid sideboard card that eldrazi decks will want vs aggro. No reason to make it mythic.

>>44465471
Wish it would have been "your opponent loses 5 life and you gain 5 life" in order to give them a bigger incentive to sac creatures and/or discard cards. Otherwise if your Opponent is at a healthy life total they will just decide to lose 10 life and kill you with their permanents or cards in hand.

>>44465816
Hell I'd even put in red midrange sideboards just as a 3 mana instant fuck you to token based strategies and against aggro

>>44465826

Really they should have just made it somewhat similar to a "Command" in that they let you and only you choose two of the four modes given and then state that you may pick the same mode twice. Would have been way better if the choice didn't go to the opponent.

>>44465876
5 mana 10 life burn is a bit overboard tho

>>44465876
They're probably scared of reprinting commands again after DTK.
Would have been interesting however if it was "Your and a target opponent choose a mode"

>>44465754
Ramp loves this card. Turn 3 wipe the board, turn 5 cast World Breaker, trigger it again and exile something.

>>44465937

Eh we kinda came close to it with Sorin's Vengeance.

>>44465983

>Would have been interesting however if it was "Your and a target opponent choose a mode"

That would have been interesting, you choose something bad for them and they choose something bad for them, either way it helps you. That would have been an old "classic" Black feel to do but NWO MTG would make it more of a Red thing now.

>>44466261
theres a pretty big difference between 5cmc and 7cmc in practice though

Question: If I cast Shoulder to Shoulder targeting two creatures with Heroic, do I get triggers of Heroic?

>>44466633
yes both creatures will trigger heroic

>>44462913
>>44462925


How is the RG just not flat out better then the WG?

>>44468234
Maybe they are overvaluing the fact that the WG is an Ally.

>>44468234
If you have the conditions for it (enough mana, two other creatures), the WG give permanent pump in counters.

>>44465470
I read your post and thought "hehe, good edit". Then I read the flavor text and WTFed loudly.

>>44463294
They lost the halos in RoTE, to symbolize them opening their eyes to the truth of the gods. or something like that

>>44469102
Iona never had a halo, and the angels in Battle still have halos.
Some of them have halos, some of them don't, and it's always been that way

>>44462860
Best card of the set, hands down. An almost better Man O'war. I can't believe that they are printing.

>>44469142
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/86

At least, that was the fluff a while back.

>>44462860
Does this fuck over Twin?

>>44469750
If you have a twin player that shits out Exarch or Pestermite without finishing the game right there, they deserve to get fucked.

>>44469750
Don't see how. Without flash you can't do shit about an EOT pestermite.

>>44469800
What kind of shitter are you? Exarch is the kill you in 17 turns master.

The crappy UW uncommon does nothing against the deck though

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>>44462913
>4GW

>>44461809
Still kind of confused about this new mana symbol. How I'm currently understanding it is

I can use any random numbered mana symbol to pay for a <> cost (like from a Sol Ring or a Mnaa Vault), but I can't use colored mana for it.

Is that right?

>>44470043
<> = (C) = (1)
<><> = (C) =(2)

colorless mana =/= generic mana in casting cost

>>44470130
><><> = (C)(C) =(2)*

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>>44462913
>4GW
>an ability that only gives 2 1/1 counters
>only works if you have other creatures

>>44470130
I can use a (1) to pay for a <>, but I can't use a (G) to pay for a <>, correct?

>>44463888
magic pretty much sucks now, its all just safe creatures, shitty removal counters and ramp, and new abilities that consist of +1/+1 counters. i blame edh, honestly who likes formats where you just put out ass loads of "big creatures" and the just wait till you can swing for like 100 while the other guy has like 20 blockers.

>>44470184
Yes, (1) = <> so it can pay for <>

(G) =/= (C) so it doesn't pay for <>

>>44464652
only shitty neckbeards that suck at the game and would rather "have fun drinking an ale or two with their buddies when they play" like edh

>>44470253
>i blame edh, honestly who likes formats where you just put out ass loads of "big creatures" and the just wait till you can swing for like 100 while the other guy has like 20 blockers.

Confirmed for never having played EDH.

>>44470043
In your mana pool:
W = white mana
U = blue mana
B = black mana
R = red mana
G = green mana
<> = colorless mana

In a cost:
W = pay with specifically white mana
U = pay with specifically blue mana
B = pay with specifically black mana
R = pay with specifically red mana
G = pay with specifically green mana
<> = pay with specifically colorless mana
(1) = pay with any type of mana, colored or colorless

All old cards that produced (1) have received cosmetic errata to produce <> instead. Sol Ring for example taps for <><> not (2). This is a cosmetic change and everything works exactly like it used to. Whenever you see an old card that says "Add (1) to your mana pool" know that it means "Add <> to your mana pool.

So yes, Sol Ring, Mana Vault, Mind Stone, etc can pay for <> costs because they produce <>.

>>44470253
Is this bait? In the off chance it isn't, it's funny that you blame EDH, considering that the old Linvala is actually pretty darn good in that format and the new one's going to be utter shit. Big splashy creatures are never relevant in EDH - the only thing that truly matters is how those cards can impact the table with their abilities. Anything that does nothing but stand there is shit. Tarmogoyf is shit in EDH.

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>>44470253
>thinks edh is about dumping big timmy creatures and swinging alpha striking

>>44470496
EDH is about being degenerate as possible and winning in a single turn or sitting in third place until you are ready to hit the weakened first and second place players.

I mean in a sense it is about who can ramp the hardest and shit out their threats while not running out of gas because if you get some fast mana your threats are going to be online before their answers. Its the reason why Sol ring on 1 can win tons of games

>>44462948
based

>>44470740
That's why I prefer the 1v1 ban list. No Sol Ring, no Mana Crypt, no Mana Vault. Makes players actually pay for ramp.

>>44470939
You have to change rules and play it differently then originally intended to be for EDH to be not 100% trash? Man, good thing we have other, better established formats else Magic would be dead.

To be fair, there's a lot of cards that have been added to the game for limited and EDH purposes that makes the game feel like it's going downhill because people on this board only care about their T1 Standard, Modern, Legacy decks. I'm sure /tg/ said Elesh Norn was shitty EDH card too.

>>44471042
>I'm sure /tg/ said Elesh Norn was shitty EDH card too.
Honestly, /tg/ says every new card is a shitty EDH card.

>>44471182
But Elesh Norn IS just an EDH card.
>Hurr muh leggersee
Fuck off.

>>44471317
No, she's a fantastic entomb/reanimation target

>>44471537
in filthy casual play maybe. all the real reanimators know it's all about grizzy B.

>>44471537
Then I suppose Archetype of Endurance is just as good as Elesh Norn then since both see play in Reanimator.

Oh wait Reanimator is just a clusterfuck of creatures are run solely for everything except their mana cost.

>>44471317
I have a pretty clear memory of seeing Elesh Norn in a couple lists on mtgtop8. Specifically on Gifts. I don't think EDH is another name for Modern, so I dunno m8.

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HOW MANY BOXES WILL TG BE BUYING?

>>44473880
NONE.

>>44473880
if they don't spoil any better rares, 0. at least BFZ had the new duals...

and the OGW walkers looking like shit too.

>>44465754
>>44465816
Its going to be one of the few cards that will retain value, as its great in modern tron and a few other modern fringe decks as a instant sweeper that gets more value later. It also works very well against pro-red (such as affinity or kor sb) as its devoid.

standard it makes ramp eldrazi able to kill creatures and focus on blowing up lands.

>>44470253
Big splashy and "over-the-curve" creatures are for standard.

EDH is for ridiculous board-states.
Modern is for hatebuilding.
Legacy is for combo.
Vintage is for bluffing.
Standard is "choose a color and play the best card at each CMC". Literally the mentally deficient format.

>>44474737
You are 100% correct, and that is why Pauper and Draft are best formats

>>44470184
You can't get a (1). In the future, cards that would have been printed with "Add (1) to your mana pool." will be printed with "Add <> to your mana pool." This is because <> means the same thing as (1) did in the context of adding mana to your mana pool. <> means "colorless mana". (1) used to mean "colorless mana" when it was added to your mana pool, but "any kind of mana" anywhere else - now (1) only means "any kind of mana", and it can't be added to your mana pool. Existing cards printed under the old system still read "Add 1 colorless mana to your mana pool", same as they always did, but you would now write this out as "Add <> to your mana pool."

You can pay for (1) with any mana. You can only pay for a <> with a <>.

>>44474882
>Pauper
"I need to choose between food, rent, and Magic"
>Draft
"I want to pull my mythics in front of everyone!"

>>44461809

new one drop got spoiled it seems ok.

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>>44477602
idunno seems pretty shit m8

>>44477642
salvage drone is better desu

which card should I be preordering? I have le meme aristocrats rally and jeskai black(missing one jace =/ )

>>44477642

but muh card draw,.

>>44477642
>>44477659
Compare to azure mage, which saw play a little play in standard

It's not mind blowing, but it's not shit, if this were the baseline for ogw design we wouldn't have much to complain about

>>44465205

not really that special and it wont work for long, only works if you have less life and creatures

>>44473880
I'll be buying a bunch of prerelease kits, dunno how many i'll buy yet.

>>44477672
I run rally and I'd say the only thing worth getting so far is the new Nissa. She seems decent as a 1 or 2 of mainboard just to spew a few tokens or maybe go wide out of the sideboard.

Only other thing spoiled so far that catches my eye is Eternal Pilgrim as an alternate pseudo sac outlet out of the sideboard. Maybe reflector mage in the sideboard too? Hard to tell yet.

Vile Redeemer actually seems like it'll work if you can stretch the mana a little bit more to get the new butthole mana for it's ability. Shouldn't be too hard because we already run 4 catacomb sifter.

So I'd just say for now grab like 2 Nissa's because the only other cards worth a damn for rally are bulk rares and uncommons.

Why did they blow there load so hard in the quality of expeditions in BFZ?

OTG has barely anything in comparison

>>44469804
Needs to be played on aether vial decks.

>>44479457
It's probably a thematic thing

Bfz had battle lands, so they printed those and the fetches in the expeditions. Ogw has fixing and the colorless errata, so all the expeditions have to do with that.

>>44463666
Mangara with minamo is cute.

>>44465696
>In theory they look really undercosted, but in practice they are always pretty dogshit.
Except FoF, the glorious exception.

>>44473880
0.0
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0

>>44480839
Fact or Fiction gives you both a choice.

Which really makes me wonder Wizards fails so hard on choice design.

This card >>44462886 is a perfect example. They should have made the first cycle opponent choice, and the second cycle your choice. It would have been great then.

>>44465205
I'd rather untap 7 lands.

So how's that acquisition plan working for you guys?

>>44464846
Nah fuck you and all the other cunts who think it has to stay in the same state as when it was born. It's gotten so big it's its own thing now.

>>44480839
I dunno Vexing devil is pretty okay.

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Hooray, we're back.

>Skinning Tendrils
>1BB
>Sorcery
>Devoid
>All creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn. If a creature would die this turn, exile it instead.

>>44481415
This card does not deserve to have "Tendrils" in its name.

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>Embodiment of Fury
>3R
>Creature - Elemental
>Trample
>Land creatures you control have trample.
>Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may have target land you control become a 3/3 Elemental creature with haste until end of turn. It's still a land.
>4/3

>>44481457
That landfall combined with a fetchland could result in some serious damage, but damn it's so slow.

>Dryad Arbor gets trample

>>44481457
Looks 100% epic in my Omnath EDH deck.

>>44481415

Hey! Drown in Sorrow! Missed ya buddy!

>>44477566
>you need to be poor to not want to pay hundreds of dollars for cardboard

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>>44481457

We need more cards like this Halimar Tidecaller and Planar Outburst.

Its cool to see them at all but we need just one pushed card to make it into constructed, they're so different that their very presence in would make for some interesting plays.

Esper Red is going to be nuts in the new standard

>>44465205
Have you ever played with Thragtusk? Because it sounds like you haven't.

>>44481682
Just call it Not-Green. And you should be splashing it for Siege Rhino.

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>>44477566
More like

>Pauper
The general feel of Legacy but with more "honest" decks
>Draft
The chance to display your knowledge of the set, combined with your ability to both gain insight with limited information, and to build decks, and that's before you even begin playing Magic

But yes, there's also the chance to pull a bomb rare which is kinda exciting, cuz when else are you going to open booster packs?

>>44481457
Why is it necessary to make the land have haste? It didn't enter the battlefield as a creature.

>>44481755
It makes easier for MTGO users, also, in your 5th turn you can tap your 4 lands to play it then play a 5th land and animate it

>>44481755
If a non-creature permanent enters the battlefield then turns into a creature the same turn it still has summoning sickness because it still came into play under your control this turn. See also: Mutavault, Gideon from BFZ plus ability, etc

>>44481746
>Pauper
>Honest
Pick one. You're either basically playing Delver, or you're losing to Delver.

And drafts are a waste of money. You're displaying your knowledge of a set so you can win more of that set? Go ahead, win all the BFZ packs you want, I'll be over here not throwing money away.

>>44477642
Nah, it's okay.

>>44481789
But drafts are fun

>>44481829
You could buy a couple lines of coke for that money.

>>44481755
If you've ever played your fourth mountain and then played Koth on MTGO, you'll understand. Animating the just-played land is the nightmare scenario.

>>44473880
0. But if they lay off the fucking eldrazi and actually make something original with Innistrad, I'll likely buy 2 boxes out of love for the past block alone.

>>44481837
>You could buy a couple lines of coke for that money

Man, you're so cool anon, can I be your friend? :^)

>>44481735
I miss the days of inventive decknames like The Rock and his Millions. Now it's just cold, clinical names.

>>44481769
You're wrong and the ruling on the card in your own example discredits you.

>8/1/2008: A noncreature permanent that turns into a creature can attack, and its {T} abilities can be activated, only if its controller has continuously controlled that permanent since the beginning of his or her most recent turn. It doesn't matter how long the permanent has been a creature.

Adding haste is just an unnecessary addition to the card that make things "simpler" and more confusing for new players.

>>44482040
That ruling backs up what he said retard

>>44482040
That ruling agrees with what he said.

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>Legendary Enchantment
Haven't seen those in a while. First part is nice, second part may as well be flavor text. Also I so called that there was going to be an "Oath of X" cycle.

>>44482040
>only if its controller has continuously controlled that permanent since the beginning of his or her most recent turn.
HURR DURR READING AM HARD ME RITE GUYS?

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Jank

>>44482148
Cycle of powerful rares that care about mythic rares?
BRAVO WIZARDS
R
A
V
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>>44482162
5C ALLY LEGEND YEA BOY FUCKING HYPE

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>>44482162
WUBRG ALLY EDH IS A GO

'Bout fucking time I can stop using Karona for it.

>>44482162
Fucking called it.

>>44482162
As regards Commander:
He's a good flicker target, but that activated ability feels a little weak.

>>44482148
Oh wow, more rare planeswalker support. What a great idea for drafting. At least 5 out of 42 rares are going to be almost worthless.

>>44482208
Giving +5/+5 to all your allies can be done fairly easily in EDH with this, really.

>>44482162
Thought it was dog shit and was going to write it off with prism array until I saw legendary. about time.

>>44482208
>>44482233
late game a double activiation for +10/+10 isn't entirely impossible either.

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Oath reprint I imagine.

>>44482250
Together with the old Allies, which already were a pretty strong brute force as a janky EDH beatdown deck, Ally Tribal in EDH could be a serious deck now.

Splash in a bit of flicker, some combat-trick instants and you're good to go.

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>>44482148
Are all oaths going to be about how many planeswalkers you have? That's not really a good idea.

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>>44482148
Wow this is shit. Because, you know, everyone plays with tons and tons of planeswalkers, also is a legendary enchanment? for fuck sake wizards.

>>44461835
>>44482148

While absolutely shit for drafting I love that the Planeswalker type is getting some love.

We can actually see some superfriends in standard which is awesome.

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>>44482270
Might as well post the other 2 promos.
This one is for January:

>>44482148
casual players are going to be PISSED when they open rares that are useless because they haven't pulled any walkers.

>tfw already brewing Jeskai Superfriends and Mardu Superfriends and their pet Goblin Dark Dweller for all that recursion value.
All I did today was try and brew value out of Goblin Dark Dwellers, I expect a Jund list to pop up in the metagame purely because of that card, Den Protector and Deathmist give you a grindy creature value system, GDD gives you more grindy recursion value, especially with K. Command and Read the Bones.

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>>44482336
And this one is for February.

>>44482336
Wow, I really like the colors on this. Looks beautiful.

>>44482336
>>44482352

We already know the other 2 for months now.

>>44482346
Casual players are impressed with anything legendary they find in the rare slot

>oh man imagine how powerful these will be in my Ally-themed 6-color planeswalker deck!!!

>>44482375
Sadly enough, that deck would probably be one of the best places to put those enchantments.

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>>44482148
this card will definitely make jace less played in standard so his price will drop drastically, i urge everyone to sell off your jace's

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>>44482162
HOLY
FUCKING
SHIT
5 COLOR
I DIDN'T THINK I'D SEE THE DAY
OH BABY

>>44471537
>>44471317
>>44471182
She was a 2 dollar mythic after she was released, took a few weeks to realize how unbelievably good she is

>>44482162
Wait, it's a mythic? Why? It's not going to warp limited with those stats. I've never seen Converge Allies each all 5 colors and it's not like there's a whole lot of great Allies to tutor up either

>>44482483
>She was a 2 dollar mythic after she was released
Not really. Everyone knew how popular she would be in casual circles and she was a mythic so she started at where she is now, but then went up quite a bit to like 30-40 after Cawblade rotated out and Esper Control became a thing. In fact almost all the Praetors started pretty high, since there was so much buzz about them as casual all stars.

>>44482375
see you already fucked up, casual players don't have enough walkers to make a deck around them. casual players I know pull a walker and build a whole deck around that one card, a habit unfortunately taught by wizards and their damned duel decks.

>>44482352
That art is actually pretty sweet

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>>44482040
>only if its controller has continuously controlled that permanent since the beginning of his or her most recent turn

>>44482148
>rares that only get good if you control a lot of mythics

I hate this company.

>>44482352
If it's a puzzle that can never be solved, wouldn't making a piece go missing accomplish nothing?

>>44482148
It could have had scry x+1 so it actualy did something in limited.

>>44482148
It was about time somebody cut this boy's hair.

>>44482148
>Oath of Jace
Really wizards, THAT was the best name you could come up with? It doesn't scan, it's horrible to say, and it doesn't mean what you think it means. For god's sake, is "Jace's Oath" to obvious?

>>44482148
If I get this shit on my pre-release I'll quit mtg. Seriously.

>>44482886
Jace's Oath doesn't sound like the set name.

>>44482924

I will almost assuredly. At my BFZ one I got Crucible of Ugin. Of course.

>>44482946
The thing is, in "Oath of ___" the blank is always what you are devoting to something else. When you swear an Oath of Loyalty, you swear your loyalty to whoever/whatever you're addressing. An "Oath of Jace" means you promise to Jace as hard as you can.

>>44483004

Hey it could be an oath to be as bland as fucking possible.

>>44483023
this looks really really annoying to play against

>>44483004
Which is kind of what these also are, aren't they? You, the player, swear the Oath on Jace's name, the walker representing Blue mana in the Gatewatch, and swear to act in his name, since you aren't actually part of the gatewatch yourself.

It's a shitty name.

>>44483023
Wish it would've been a 2/3

Oh well, still playable i guess

>>44483023
Absolute dogshit. The fuck do you want me to do wizards, use my land as a conditional killspell? Although I guess "1GB, Sacrafice Hissing Quagmire: Destroy target non-flying attacking creature" is acceptable on a dual land that would be run anyway.
>>44483046
Pure jank, but yes please I want a board full of Bane of Bala Geds that were once scions.

>>44483046
>have a handful of scions
>play this fucker
>combat begins
>reveal Bane of Bala Ged

Could be fun.
7 mana is really expensive, though, if you don't use scions to cast him, which would directly work against the effect.

And am I the only one that thinks that the huge eldrazi in this are looking like they'd be small 3/3 fries?

>>44483046

Another trigger for Kozilek's Return

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>>44483023
This was the manland I was looking forward to since original Zendikar? Fuck you.

>>44483046
Too bad it doesn't work with the Titans.
Actually, nevermind. I'm going full jank. Mirror Gallery, shit out tokens, then make an Emrakul army.

>>44483023
>>44483046
These are both very stupid.

They're decent in limited, I guess?

>>44482148
>tfw collecting everything legendary
>probably 10+ legendary things in OGW
>need them all as prerelease promos

Welp, this is going to be rough again.

>>44482992
>At my BFZ one I got Crucible of Ugin
How did you do that? That was a FRF card.

>>44481415

Finally decent sideboard tech for Jeskai Black

>>44483140
What did you wanted for it to do? Be a 4/5 that drains you for 3 when you activate it?

Its a great manland, stop having absurdly high expectations

>>44483261
He probably means Sanctum of Ugin.
Funny story: Our LGS owner opened a BFZ prerelease pack to demonstrate the contents to the players and the foil promo card was a Sanctum. I would've felt bad if one of the players would've gotten it.

>>44483140
It's an alright manland. 2/2 is a bit feeble, but it's not terrible.

>>44462860
>>44462897
>>44462913
>>44462925
>>44462934

>Ally color support
>>>>>>>>>AGAIN

>>44474737
Legacy is for grindy control mirrors
Vintage is for playing dragonlords

>>44483373
They'll show the enemy colored ones later, anon.

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>>44461809
I wanna start playing
Any advice

>>44483273
>>44483343
On the offense it's a bad Creeping Tar Pit and on the defence (unless you are blocking 6+ costs threats with no evasion and even if you are you are still trading a land and 3 mana) it's a bad Stirring Wildwood.

The only manlands this is better than is the Bogles one we got last block and Lavaclaw.

>>44483415
Start with Magic Duels and when you feel comfortable with the rules, visit your LGS (especially on Friday) and start making friends you enjoy playing with. Everything else will come to you with time.

>>44483415
Don't buy in until the next set.

>>44482007
That's not an inventive deck name, that's just a reference. Sligh is a more inventive name.

>>44483400
They fucking better. I'm actually scared as fuck now because the guy who showed all those leaks and such only showed ally color ETB tapped dual lands.

>>44483473
It looks like the enemy memelands will not be in OGW. Probably because of the fetchlands. Expect them in SOI - although there might be enemy fetches in SOI instead.

>>44483498
Probably the only way they'd sell SOI after this bumbling block

>>44483415
Honestly just don't. Does spending $800 on a deck that's 1) boring to play, and 2) will stop being playable in a few months sound enjoyable to you?

>>44483415
Start 20 years ago when it came out so you can play something other than Creatures: the Tappening

>>44483343
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they made the manlands smaller than they otherwise would be to prevent them from being too powerful with Awaken.

>>44483517
>implying casuals won't buy it anyway even if there aren't expensive lands in there

>tfw the casuals always come to me after the prerelease day is over and ask me to give them stuff for their EDH decks for these rare lands they pulled

God, I love casual players.

>>44483415
Just one for you, really: Don't get your advice on 4chan.

>>44483400
According to MTGS there's only about 12 slots for gold cards in this set and 8 of them are filled already. 3 are legendaries and I wouldn't be surprised to get an even 5.

I don't think we're getting enemy-colored support cards this set.

>>44483046
>this on board with a ton of tiny UB dudes
>cast Conduit of Ruin
>Ulamog on top
>Swing with all

>>44483517
>>Probably the only way they'd sell SOI after this bumbling block
They are going to do the same thing they did with KTK. After Theros everyone was so eager to get a not shit set thus everyone hailed KTK as the most amazing set ever (because it was in comparison to a whole year of theros) when in reality it was just above average. Not bad, not great.

>>44483498
So is /tg/ the smurfs except meme is our word? Meme me, that's so memeing dumb

>>44483562
What about rare enemy cards?

>>44483565
>all but one of your creatures die due to legendary rule

>>44483540
>to prevent them from being too powerful with Awaken.
Oh yeah, look at all these AMAZING awaken spells seeing standard play. We wouldn't want the manlands to be too good because the format is already being dominated by rare cancel and sorcery-speed Hero's Downfall.

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>>44483595
Whoops, didn't think about that one

All I had in my mind was the absolute power of best titan ruining everything for everyone

>>44483525
>implying Standard is the only format
>implying you are forced to spend 800$ to have fun with friends in Standard

>>44483578
Yeah 8/12 including all rarities and "devoid" gold cards, but not manlands obviously.

>>44483415
Don't. It's a trap. Just turn and run and never look back.

>>44483023
>diggi diggi

>>44483652
>Ayli is WB
>Jori En is UR

I can see them putting in a few more enemy colored cards to even it out.

>>44483649
So buy a duel deck and go play.

>>44483676
Mina and Denn are RG, though, so it doesn't look like an even spread in this set.

Note that in BFZ we had a RG legendary mythic, a WU legendary rare, and a RW legendary rare

>>44483608
Hey, I didn't say that it *would* be too powerful, just that that was the reason. They've been playing things a bit more carefully than they really should or need to in recent years after being burned a few too many times, unfortunately.

>>44462860
This has to be the best uncommon for limited.

>>44483023

Oh look, some anon said it had the same stats like a week ago.

There are some judges in 4chan who need to be banned

>>44483888
I'm a judge and on 4chan. Don't ban me pls, Wizards! :^(

I'm still salty about the whole incident, though. fuck Wizards for this move. Especially since it was two thirds of the Judgecast. http://judgecast.com/?p=921

>>44483931
What? Who did wizards ban and why?

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>>44465470

>>44483415

Play Force of Will. Its cheaper, if you are a weeb, you will like it. It have weeb art but some of them are pretty cool. Its like Magic but a lil easier.

Since when Force of Will got so popular? My LGS started to run 8-man tourneys of this shitty TCG since december and many people started to play it. Is it wizards crappy job the result of this?

>>44483888
As if that would be particularly difficult to guess.

>>44483951
A shitload of Murrican judges of the Southeast for "not reporting leaked material to Wizards" or some made-up bullshit. Listen to the linked podcast for the whole story if you want to find out how shitty Wizards was at handling the leak incident.

>>44483966
It's the weeb appeal. Most people here who play it wouldn't touch MtG because it's too old, too hard, and not weeb enough.

>>44483966
i dunno mane, i've been vaguely interested in it but have put off diving in because no one in my area plays, but i'm hearing more and more talk of it so I went ahead and ordered a $30 box thing off of amazon just to keep in case it takes off locally.

>>44483140
At least it's not Needle Spires.

I am the maddest I have ever been at Magic over the fact >>44461828 is a card.

>>44477642
Limited bomb. I'd play it.
>>44483023
So what's the RB manland going to do? Become a 2/3 with flying?

>>44483076

Not really, I mean it looks pretty big here and you have to consider that in addition to size it's an eldritch abomination that is utterly alien in substance to anything from traditional reality so... that probably carries some combat bonuses. I'd greatly prefer this to cards that look powerful but end up being 2/1s (coughskyspawnercoughcough).

>>44484189
Be nonexistent, because we're only getting enemy-colored lands?

>>44484189
>So what's the RB manland going to do?
You realise that ally colour manlands have existed since Zendikar, right?

Right?

>>44483525
>>44483677

I don't buy cards any more because it's just a waste of money but I still know that standard decks don't cost $800, you're thinking about nonrotating formats where the other half of your statement then makes no sense. Basically you sounded like a clueless idiot on the internet. Happy new year!

>>44484189
UR you mean?

Willing to bet that its going to be a looter.

>>44484220
>>44484237
He probably meant RU.

>>44484241
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11135&d=263374&f=ST
This is the last relevant top 8 of Esper Control, the 2nd best deck in standard right now. $827 average on TCGPlayer.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11135&d=263377&f=ST
Here's 5 colour Bring to Light. $783.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11191&d=263590&f=ST
The best deck in the format. Currently sitting at 29% of all event top 8s, a percentage which would make RTR/THS mono B control blush, at $541.

>>44484256
I would say Prowess is more likely. All of the other ones have been keywords, and they have a UR creature keyword now so they're probably going to use it.

>>44484005
A lot of FoW players are MTG players as well

>>44484494
>A lot of MtG players are FoW players now

Fixed that for you. Fuck this game and fuck Wizards allowing the price gouging of cards that you need but cannot acquire from anywhere but the secondary market anymore. I'd rather my cards be worth fuck all but be able to play any deck I want than this bullshit. My LGS feels the same way. Standard FNMs rarely fire anymore. They literally cannot scrape together a minimum amount of players because no one wants to pay ridiculous amounts of money for a deck full of dull mythic rares that'll bomb in value a couple months from now.

I'll be over here with Arla and my bows.

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>>44483951
They banned some judges that leaked Gatewatch cards. Also, judges who weren't leakers but who saw the leaks and didn't report it. Also, the judges who reported the leaks to Wizards. Basically, their attitude was if you associate with the group where the leaks were posted, you're banned.

>>44483966
How weeb is it compared to Yu Gay Hoe or Cardfight Faguard?

>>44484189
UR Land
2/3
Prowess for maximum stupid

>>44484557
I think you mean Reflect/Refrain with Arla in the side?

>>44484612
No I mean using Almerius to give Refrain flying, then firing Artemis at the cunt. Can't flip back if I do it in your turn. Go ahead, never flip, that's fine by me.

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>not exclusively playing kitchen table

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>>44482148

PLEASE DONT MAKE THIS A CYCLE

>>44484677
TOO LATE ANON HAVE A CYCLE OF SHITTY LEGENDARY ENCHANTMENTS

YOU THINK THIS ONE IS BAD, WAIT TILL YOU SEE OATH OF CHANDERE

>>44484637

Ok

http://www.fowtcg.it/articolo_int.asp?uid=3B3FC5594A869E08E40335CA173E9736341868AA47DE39FCE46C4F55B59A2CA8

>>44482148
you know ignoring how stupid the "planeswalkers matter" stuff is and the retarded name, draw 3 disc 2 for 3 mana isn't all that awful, and you get an okay bonus for having a walker out. also the legendary thing hardly matters, you can play a 2nd one for the ETB and you wont really lose anything.

>>44484755
sorry I can't read mexican.

>>44482148
We really are going full tilt Marvel and DC here aren't we?

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>>44484763

No one in limited is going to be happy opening a legendary enchantment that depends on a limited mythic, and has no other synergy.

fuck this shit was a common 2 sets ago.

>>44482853
Exactly, toss the piece the fuck away and hope for the best.

>>44484931
That doesn't MEAN anything.

>>44484698
>Oath of Chandra
>2RR
>When Oath of Chandra enters play, deal 1 damage to target creature or player
>Whenever you cast a planeswalker, deal 1 damage to target creature or player

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>>44484698

>Oath of Chandra
>3RR
>When Oath of Chandra enters the battlefield, deal 3 damage to target creature or player.
>At the beginning of your upkeep, deal X damage to target opponent where X is the number of Planeswalkers you control.

screencap this, i have esp

>>44484985
To cheap. Needs to cost 3RRR

>>44485033
>Unplayable Oath
>On curve with Unplayable Walker
>That comes out a turn too late for the Unplayable Oath

THANKS WIZZARDS

>>44485033

Eh, I'd remove "or player" and make it "At the start of your turn, exile the top X cards of your library where x is your # of walkers, you can play them this turn."

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>>44482148
So is it only going to be a 4 card cycle with no black walker?

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insider just told me the rest of the cycle, happy new year /tg/.

>Oath of Nissa
>3G
>When Oath of Nisa enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a basic Forest card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
>At the beginning of your upkeep, target creature gains +X/+X where X is the number of Planeswalkers you control.


>Oath of Gideon
>2W
>When Oath of Gideon enters the battlefield, You may gain 5 life.
>At the beginning of your upkeep, you may gain X life, where X is the number of Planeswalkers you control.


>Oath of Kiora
>2BG
>When Oath of Kiora enters the battlefield, You tap target opponents creature.
>At the beginning of your upkeep, you may tap up to X creature, where X is the number of Planeswalkers you control.

>>44485226
Aren't there more mythics than usual this set? Surprise Sorin with Oath a possibility? That or some shit like "Spite of Nixilis."

>Lots of cards with niche effects that only apply to constructed
>Designed for 2HG

Damn it, there are some really cool cards for limited in this set but Wizards still manage to fuck it up.

>>44484977
An unsolvable puzzle is different from an incomplete puzzle.

Simply put, to break an Eldrazi mind, you don't probe into it to learn some precious secret; you merely perform a mental lobotomy. Same end result, far less hassle.

>>44485300
I don't think your understand the original point. There's no difference between an unsolvable puzzle, and a puzzle with missing pieces. Infact, having no pieces could be the reason the puzzle is unsolvable in the first place. I don't see why messing with an Eldrazi brain would do anything.

>>44485270
>Oath of Kiora
Now I know you're lying.

>>44485270
>Oath of Nissa
You must call for ASHAYA every other turn or you lose the game.

>>44485270
>Kiora
>BG

You fucked up son.

>>44485352
Define a puzzle as any activity with a defined end state (solved) and an arbitrary number of intermediate states (unsolved).

Each state can be transitioned to by taking some arbitrary action. For example, a jigsaw puzzle's state transition would be the moving of a puzzle piece. Don't get caught up in the specifics though, I'm not here to define how this works for all instances of a puzzle object.

A solvable puzzle is one wherein the player can be at one intermediate state, and then perform a state transition that reaches the final state. You can take from this stuff like how puzzles are in fact made up of smaller sub-puzzles and whatnot but the idea is that if you can go from start to finish, it's solvable.

Ergo, an unsolvable puzzle is one that lacks a means of transitioning to the end. No one indeterminate state can transition to the final state.

Here's the interesting part, however: remove an element that defines the finished state from this entire system, and you effectively destroyed the puzzle (or at least, you've created an entirely different one). Make a piece disappear, and you've destroyed countless intermediate states on top of the most important element of the puzzle, the defined end-state. Without that piece, the puzzle as is cannot exist.

Of course, what Jace really means is that Eldrazi are resilient to his usual mind magic tactics and that straight up brainfucking them is the way to defeat them.

>>44485490
>Oath of Nissa
>When ~ enters the battlefield, call for Ashaya.
>At the beginning of your upkeep, call for Ashaya X times, where X is the number of Planeswalkers you control.

>>44483046
this with the scion guy who never dies, and a bunch of tokens, plus bala or ulamog (that you dont even need to cast) with conduit to set up whatever you want to be copied sounds like a fun tier 3 deck that could still win randomly at locals.

will be brewing.

>>44485270
>>44482148
>>Oath of Nissa
>1G
>When Oath of Nissa enters the battlefield target opponent gets five 10/10 eldrazi tokens with trample and annihilator 2
>At the beginning of your upkeep tap all permanents you control

>>44485652
>I thought it would work guys! Honest!

>>44482519
Collector price.

>44484596

Not weeb, but the attack and def is calculated in X00 (3 digits) instead of a single digit like magic (Example: a 2/2 Creature in FoW is a 200atk / 200 def or some shit like that just like Yugioh).

Gotta admit, the art is surprisingly better than YGO and Vanguard, plusthe material of FoW cards is on par with MtG standards.

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>>44487011

Plus is chepaer to play than MtO or Yugi, but thats because its kinda new on the market but several stores are already selling FoW stuff.

The art is combined (like 70% weeb oriented and 30% normalfag cartoon) like pic related.

>>44487072
I've been looking ofr images on google and that shit looks too weeb for me so I will pass. Enjoy your weebshit tcg. It will probably be gone like many others.

>>44477642
>1/2 for one mana
>Later on can act as a Treasure Trove
>"seems pretty shit"
It's not going to rule modern or anything but it's far from shit. It's a bottomless well of CA in limited at a mana cost and body that's competitive in constructed.

>>44487538

So if I have this on battlefield and equip my only creature with it, it gives +nothing/+nothing?

>>44487538
Not bad. But will there be a strong tribal deck to house it?

>>44487841
This is the block with allies in it

>>44487815
Yep.

>>44487841
Allies maybe, if they get more good cards. Also SOI will probably (hopefully) have some tribal.

>>44487867
There aren't enough cheap and good allies for it to work though.

>>44487943

What about eldrazi?

>>44487958
Perfect.

>>44487958
>Eldrazi spawn kills a kor, wriggles into his armour as it eats him
>turns into a new Titan
I don't know how, but Nissa is definately to blame for this.

l>>44487958
Just put it on a Vile Aggregate and start vomiting Scions.

>>44485270

>gideon
>just life gain

Your "insider" lied.

>>44482228
Why doesn't it say 1+X?