Oath of the Gatewatch /mtg/ spoiler

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Merfoooooooolk

I broke the color pie

>>44441644
Thanks wizard I needed more reason to stay aways from the game

Wastes land missed the chance to say
"Tap: add <> into your mana"

>>44441774
I like this. Edh mind, but still

>>44441739
UR legend that doesn't care about instants or sorceries. FAKE! /joke

>>44441644
Is the "magic is dead" time of the year again?
Have those 3-4 times per year makes me lost the count

>>44441644
Looks like a cool card
at least its not void winnower
so they moved away from eldrazi being effectively un-cards.

>>44441739
I like her, and if I pull one during a draft I might make a commander deck for her.

All you need to do is run a very low mana curve, slap a Runechanter's Pike and Greaves on her and you've got a deck

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New

>>44442708

Literal Ugh.

>>44442708
Note: This does not work on artifact creatures.
>No <> in CMC
>Not colorless

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meh

>>44442752
What....? Are you being ironic? Of course it works on artifact creatures as long as they're not of the Esper variety.

>>44442752
Hey! You forgot your sarcasm marks. But dont worry I'll lend you mine:
>/s
Bros should help bros! ,^)

>>44442784
No, because there's no anus in their casting cost, so they're generic, not colorless.

>>44442757
>2 mana, unconditional rebuke
It's better than "meh" for sure

>>44442708
It's literally a colorless Oran-Rief, the Vastwood. That's pretty cool.

>>44442708
>"on target"
>not "on each" like the original oran rief

Wizards never ceases in finding new ways to disappoint me.

>>44442803
Don't spend coloured mana on it = colourless.
Why is this so hard to grasp? It's why colourless devotion won't work, COLOURLESS IS THE LACK OF A COLOUR NOT A MANA REQUIREMENT.

>>44442757
I guess destroying blocking creatures proved to be too confusing for newbies.

>>44442757
It's simple, it's clean, and it's cheap removal. This is what white gets now.

>>44442803
Are you being ironically stupid or legit stupid?

I'm still in disbelief that MaRo was right and that there are so many retards who couldn't understand the new colorless symbol. It doesn't even change how anything previously worked!

>>44442837
Forced meme stupid.

>>44442840
>MaRo was right
That's a forbidden phrase around here, son
>>44442830
It's two mana Rebuke, if it were to destroy blocking creatures too it'd probably be 3 mana.

>>44442830
Then it would be a strictly better Divine Verdict, and still wouldn't be constructed-playable. Let them have their restrictions, it breeds creativity or somesuch.

>>44442867
Well, worse in exactly one way.
>'target' instead of 'each'

>>44442757
Neat.

>>44442840
Reminder that the people who are utterly confused by a simple cosmetic change are the people they're trying to simplify and power down things enough to cater to.

>>44442784
>>44442803
>le bait trolling xD

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I like the original art better, but the centered text and full art is nice.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna build her a commander deck.

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>>44441774
>on cast
>not ETB
>useless use it with Pod, Chord, or Undying
>nothing will fill the hole in my pod chain left in my BG EDH by Sylvan Primordial

>>44442912
That's some pretty nice art itself. I would a Jori.
>>44442821
With Hangarback, thopter tokens and all the Eldrazi Scions running around, this would be insane if it said "each"

>>44442870
This is almost certainly getting played in sideboards for Standard. It's cheap removal that's conditional only as far as counterspell requires your opponent to cast spells.

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>Eldrazi Mimic - 2
>Creature - Eldrazi
>Whenever another colorless creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may have the base power and toughness of ~ become that creature's power and toughness until end of turn.
>2/1

Well, mono-colorless got the 2-drop it needed.

>>44442757
Been a long time coming, been a while since there's been a good type of this effect.
Legit the only thing I like out of oath so far. (not to say it's the most powerful card in the set, just don't like the other cards.)

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>>44442985
>until end of turn
WHY

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>>44442985
>have Eldrazi Mimic on the field
>cast Phyrexian Dreadnought
>Mimic becomes a 12/12
>sac Mimic and keep Dreadnought
It's stupid but I love it anyways

>>44443006
Because if it kept the p/t it would be 4 mana at the least

>>44441644
Gonna be cool in edh.

>>44443010
New kitchen table wincon? New kitchen table wincon.

>>44443024
Unless there is some serious pushing, there will not be any worthwhile colorless creatures that will fit on curve with this. So if it kept the PT it would be at least sort of playable. Oh well, welcome to MaRo's MTG.

>>44443010
This is the best combination, ever. Good thing I only play kitchen casual (because it's actually fun).

>>44442943
>With Hangarback, thopter tokens and all the Eldrazi Scions running around, this would be insane if it said "each"

So, instead of being good, it's junk.

>>44442708
This is so bad it makes my physically ill. Why is it rare? It's not rare-worthy, that's uncommon tier.

>we'll make all colorless generating lands normal non-basic land style drops or etb tapped

>>44443082
>complains about maro's mtg
>while complaining about how a practically vanilla creature wasn't pushed enough
I thought that meme was creatures: the tappening not 'maro hates creatures'.

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Every spoiler I see is somehow even more underwhelming than the last.

>>44442881
Colorless creatures are generally worse than green ones.
Colorless mana is generally worse than colored mana.
Each>Target.

Strictly worse unless you're playing a colorless deck, of which, none is aggro. And giving your emrakul 16/16 barely will mean crap.

>>44442708
>Land drained by the Eldrazi
>Crap version of a previous card

At least it's in flavor.

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>>44443176
The meme is "anything not constructed-playable is evidence that MtG is dead"

>>44443010
I think you mean the other way around, since artifacts are easier to remove.

>>44442928
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Aenters+o%3Athe+o%3Abattlefield+cmc%3D7+t%3A%22creature%22+ci%3Abg&v=card&s=cname

Knock urselfout m8

>>44442708
Oh boy, now my 10/10 Ulamog can be 11/11 if I basically pay 1 more to cast it!

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So now you can win the topdeck war?

>>44443230
I already have plenty of value ETBs on CMC 7, but none of it is noncreature removal since Sylvan got banned.

>>44443248
Just ooze it

>>44443241
This one is OK.
Mostly on the basis that it doesn't fucking etb tapped ontop of a mediocre-ish effect and having no colored mana.

>>44443215
But the Mimic turns into a Vanilla 2/1 EOT. Unless you finish with swing for 12 you're better of with the dreadnaught.

>>44442912
That art is gorgeous. I'd only ever use her in the 99 of a R/U spell-slinging deck, but I want a copy of that card anyway.

So lore wise they trap Ulumog again but Kozielak comes back?

>>44443265
Might as well since you're not just paying 1U for a 12/12...

>>44443278
They are about to trap Ulamog, but then Ob Nixilis destroys the trap and Kozilek joins the fight.

>>44443278
Technically they trapped Ulamog, but Kozilek broke up through the hedron network and freed him while also killing Lorthos. So now both of them are free.

>>44443297
Read the thread you slut >>44442985

>>44443297
See
>>44442985

Colors BTFO

Embrace the stilness of eternity

>>44443306
So I take it that Emmy won't be showing up in this set now?

It seems like the entire story is established for Oath.

>>44443338
I guess not. Emmy fucked off to who knows where, we just thought Kozilek went with it.

>>44443338
>>44443348
Lovecraftian Innistrad soon, friends

>>44443338
Definately no Emrakul this set, one titan per block it looks like.

Many think she'll be in Shadows Over Innistrad, comparing it to Lovecraft's "Shadow Over Innsmouth". Expect cultists worshipping Eldrazi, and Sorin to join the Gatewatch.

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Favorite thing about the set. I fucking love this mechanic. It's amazingly flavorful and creative and it does something new and different.

We totally haven't seen a plethora of bland ass mechanics to put +1/+1 counters on things done so elegantly and simplistically until now. All those blocks and mechanics beforehand? Practice, a lead up to the one and true +1/+1 counter keyword to end them all. Or generate 3000 more over the next 4 blocks.

>>44443376
Great. If there's one thing I've always said it's that the only way wonderful flavor and setting of Innistrad could be better is if it had stupid generic tentacle monsters hogging the spotlight.

>>44443421
If there's a good Support card printed, Jeskai and Hangarback will get better.

>>44443421
+1/+1 counters have been a part of every set since the beginning of Magic, anon. Don't pretend this isn't to be expected.

>>44443241
This will see minor play in modern, legacy, and probably vintage.
It's really quite good.

>>44443421
This is a mechanic for multiplayer, because Oath is focused on 2HG

>>44443495
While somewhat true that a lot of blocks have had mechanics that put counters on things, recently there seemss to have been a lot more than usual.

>>44443526
It does help a lot with MUDs biggest problem: lack of CA.

list of mechanics that utilize +1/+1 counters:
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/%2B1/%2B1_counter

>>44443565
I think it's better in stax than in mud honestly, mud's lands are too good to be replaced by it (due to the posts), but I think sea-gate is better than say mutavault for stax.

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>>44443241

>>44443794
I just realized that the flavor text kinda fits too.

>>44442985
>>44443010
STIFLENOUGHT HERE I COME AGAIN

>>44443010
>>44444050
You realize that Renegade Doppelganger exists too right

Same colors as Stifle

>>44442912
for some reason all the art from BFZ, especially the eldrazi has looked weirdly plastic, like bad 3D models. That promo art is the only thing giving me some hope that maybe innistrad will look good.

>>44442912

where do I get one of these?

>>44444475
Top 8 of Game day

>>44442817 Uncommon would do stupid things with Awaken in draft.

>>44444580
Do awakened lands ETB?

>>44442708
2/2 Eldraiz Scion tokens 2stronk

>>44444636
They do if they were your land drop for that turn.

>>44444636
Stab only triggers when a perminant first comes into play.
Awakened lands have already been in play and thus will not trigger any etb effects when awoken.

>>44444709
>>44444712
ah that makes sense, thanks

>>44443248
You probably already know this, but the best answer atm is Rune-Scarred Demon for the Naturalize of your choice.

>>44444475
Buy it as a single when it comes out.

>>44444703

>80%+ of the cards in the set are made for Limited
If no one else, the designers give a shit.

>>44444703
Limited is one of the most popular formats. Especially with how cancerous standard and modern are.

>>44443241
This one is really strong. Four mana to draw a card is something that doesn't appear on lands for a reason.
The hand restriction is actually quite the bottleneck, though. I think a lot of decks are gonna try running two or three of these at first and then cut back to probably just one pretty quickly.

I could see ramp running three or maybe a full four just because of how easy it is to empty your hand for that deck, and how important it is to draw to more wincons if they remove one of your fatties.

>>44445009

I gotta say, I have my issues with draft and the whole premise behind designing sets around draft (paying $10 for 44 worthless, unimaginably shitty cards and a $1 rare feels like a rip-off)

And I was as disappointed with the bfz spoilers as anybody

But I gotta say that I had a lot of fun drafting bfz, the format worked for me, it felt balanced, it felt like I had a lot options in my card pool

>>44445070
Except ramp decks rarely run out of cards in hand, due to having lands and threats in hand, and by the time you get to topdeck mode either you're losing or you're winning, making the card useless.

>>44444279
And now you can run all of them.

>>44445104
>But I gotta say that I had a lot of fun drafting bfz, the format worked for me, it felt balanced, it felt like I had a lot options in my card pool
>it felt balanced
>Play Blue and Ignore Green: The Format

You're a funny guy, anon.

>>44445172
Maybe you shouldnt take every article on the internet 100% serious. Yes, green is a lot weaker than any other color, but if you would have actually played BfZ limited you would know that it doesn't matter that much as every article make it out to be. On pro level, maybe. On FNM level, no, we had a lot of decks going top 3 with green in them

>>44445120
>lands and threats in hand
Except half your lands in a ramp deck are actually ramp spells that you aren't restricted to playing only one of per turn. And one of ramp's biggest weaknesses is having to keep single-threat hands that you can't mulligan, and getting your threat dealt with and having no gas for the rest of the match.

>>44445172

To be fair I don't remember a lot of saucy green cards in my pool, and I got owned by this guy playing mostly blue

But my mardu deck won some games so my memory is of a more balanced format than what it actually was

>>44445219
That you're surrounded by bad players with shit card assessment doesn't mean the format is balanced. BFZ is an imbalanced as hell format; the only reason to ever draft green is that you're 100% sure you're the only green player in the whole table so you'll get all the good green cards and even then you're not even guaranteed to win anything.

Green is less shit in sealed, though, but it's never been particularly a shining example there, either.

>>44443237
It'll probably just be used to grow hangarbacks...

But yeah, this probably would have snapped standard in two if it said "each." At the very least, it would make Hangarback's tokens 2/2s, without even getting into scions and stuff...

That said, would it really have killed them to make it enter untapped?

>>44445447
>But yeah, this probably would have snapped standard in two if it said "each."

>t3 I cast Hangarback as a 2/2
>t4 I chump with it, buff it, and get 3 2/2 flying thopters

What a clusterfuck that would've been

>>44445172
I hope everyone I ever play reads that and takes it to heart
>tfw everyone forces blue instead of reading the table
>tfw their decks are shitty due to not having enough viable in-color cards
>mfw I don't actually have a relevant tfw pic

>>44443794
>mylocker.jpg

>>44445221
My point is that I almost never run out of cards in my hand even going into turn 7 on. Since November I've run ramp at FNM, and of all the games I played I ran out of cards maybe once.

This card isn't for a ramp deck.

>>44445596
not that anon, and I just started magic a month ago. How late can you switch colors and still be viable? Like if you're halfway through the second pack and you realize no one is taking good white cards would it be viable?

>>44445684
Depends on how good your already drafted cards are, and the reason to change.

>>44445792
Well, the problem I usually find myself in is I have a decent bomb and good one or two drops but all of the good 3-4 drops never make it around, so I usually just lose to red aggro stuff or blue fliers.

>>44445684
Halfway through pack 2 and wanting to pick up a new color? It depends on a couple of things first. How many colors are you already? If you've only been drafting 1 color, the answer is yes (probably). If you're already drafting 3 or 4 colors, the answer is stop that. If you're on 2 colors, it gets a little gray. You have to consider that cards you've already drafted, mana fixing, whether or not you are adding white or replacing a previous color, and how likely it is that someone else has picked up on this as well. Plus other stuff.

>>44445684
One and half a pack of the best white cards is usually worth it.

>>44445823
Sounds like you don't pick removal high enough.

>>44445860
Usually by that point i'm 2 colors so picking up white would be a matter of replacing one of them.

>>44445860
that makes sense. The one time i drafted and had a couple touch of the voids and bone splinters went better than the other times. Do you usually pick removal after you've decided on a color or do you just spend the first pack picking the best stuff regardless of color?

>>44445823
Then it's not a color change problem, it's your priority. You should always make sure you have your curve. Lack of low drop is bad, but having too many of them is equally bad.

If you're new, i always recommend you to look for lsv / luis scott vargas draft videos. The guy is a pro player who often records mtgo drafts. Imo his videos are good for people who are still learning because he'll often explains his choice of drafts and plays.

>>44445913
I only pick gamewinning bombs over good removal. The first 5 picks I just draft the best card of the pack, then I get some vague sense of what colours I should be playing.

>>44442708
You can probably blame Affinity's existence for this ETB tapped

>>44445913
It's always important to remember BREAD for drafting priority:

B- Bombs: Anything that can possibly have a major affect on the game, good examples are the Planeswalkers, Master of the Wild Hunt, Bogardan Hellkite, etc

R- Removal: Anything that effectively gets rid of creatures, Doom Blade, Unsummon, Essence Scatter, Rod of Ruin, etc

E- Efficient spells, or Evasion: Creatures with evasive abilities (flying, unblockable, etc) or spells like Giant Growth, Righteousness, Might of Oaks.

A- Aggro: Aggressive creatures, quick and mana friendly, Centaur Courser, Warpath Ghoul, Mold Adder, Elite Vanguard, Silvercoat Lion

D- Dregs: The rest, cards that don’t usually get picked.

It's worth noting that picking bombs out of color is dangerous if you don't see the other cards to support going into that color. Also, there is a thing as too much removal. Remember that most games will boil down to creatures turning sideways, and you need to keep room for them.

>>44443185
I would disagree with you on one point, I think the effect is far more relevant on colorless creatures than it is on green creatures.

Though green creatures are on average better, colorless creatures are more liable to come down in a big aggressive wad and also care about +1/+1 counters in more relevant ways.

I imagine Ruins was so heavily nerfed because they were scared of affinity.

>>44443619
I would throw 1 in MUD over a vesuva or city of traitors and replace coercive portal with 2-3 endbringer

>>44443241
Noice. I was pretty accurate when I translated the French flavor text a while ago.

>>44442912
Welp, looks like I'll have to turn up for Game Day.

>>44446531
we should just yugioh and have the most powerful decks in vintage be whatever got printed last month

>>44445644
I could see the card being very awkward if you already have the bomb in hand but are looking for the ramp.

Still, throwing one or two in a ramp deck seems fairly free.

>>44441644
So the Gatewatch will now be Magic's Avengers?

why do people who complain about wizards playing it safe even still play magic? They've been playing it ridiculously safe since RTR. This is not new, it's clearly their current MO. If you don't like it you should probably quit now.

>>44446621
You need to run other colorless lands to turn it on

>>44446531
I think this block got hit with it extra hard because they changed to two-set blocks in the middle of it. They're playing it safe because they don't want another Jitte. I'd argue they're playing it too safe, especially when meme rhino and hangarback are still a thing, but at least I can understand their logic somewhat.

>>44444358
Yeah, I think part of their new creative push is keeping the artists more strictly in line with a "house style" but the eldrazi art has been pretty bad so far. Kozilek's brood is at least coming out more interesting than Ulamog's, and I'm actually really happy with >>44442985
for being this weird pseudo-elephant.

>>44446782
Because it's the official magic is ded season.

Are there fullsize arts for the new expeditions out yet?

>>44446805
Can be rectified by using painlands, and if you're talking standard, eldrazi ramp already ran Shrine and Sanctum.

>>44446782
Magic isn't just standard. People who play the eternal formats would like it if standard cards did interesting things and took risks, but they don't need it to.

Also, I don't think Wizards will keep playing it safe forever, it's easier to fuck things up super hard if you only play it safe.

>>44446894
If you start running painlands, you are making your deck weaker to maybe be able to get value out of some of your other lands

>>44446782
Spoilers mean we have to launch into hysterics about Wizards playing it too safe or dumbing everything down, even though the game is still actually pretty fun and we all play it anyways.

I'd agree that everything past Innistrad has been kinda meh, but compared to a lot of card games, the hills and valleys are pretty shallow.

I would like wizards to make a format were certain sets are included and excluded, but not based on chronological order of release. Like a Ravnica Format that only allows cards from ravnica and RTR block.
but this is too kitchen table magic to be mainstream right.

>>44446997
>even though the game is still actually pretty fun and we all play it anyways.
What do people playing the game have to do with new sets? Where does this belief that people who still play the game approve of recent sets just because they still take part in the game come from? I keep seeing this shit.

So a legacy player who hasn't played a new card in his deck after RTR can't call the last 3 sets toothless, boring piles of poop JUST because he still enjoys some old part of the game?

>>44446997
>we all play it anyways.
Last time I played standard or limited was at a grand prix 3 year ago and I only buy my playset of staples after rotation nowadays.

>>44447072
>>44447111
Yes i'm sure both of you represents the majority of magic players. :^)

>>44447064
I know what you mean, it would be really neat if they stuck two random blocks and a core set together as a format for an event or something just to see what sort of decks could come out of it.

>>44446997
>The game is still actually pretty fun
>30% of the meta is Abzan

kek

>>44447188
>If you are not in the majority that means you are wrong
Okay, kid.

>>44446782
Well Modern has gotten quite a bit of stuff from Khans block and Origins.

I think that BFZ just plain sucks over everything else.

>>44447188
It's gotten so bad in my area my lgs just stopped holding standard and limited altogether it's 100% modern FNM now.

>>44442901
Except that's wrong, it's the butthurt enfranchised turbo-nerds on /tg/ and Blogatog who are CREATING confusion just so they have another excuse to cry "Magic is DEEEAAAAAAAD!!!"

>>44446966
I can't say I know the deck particularly well, but I'm looking at Jim Davis' players championship winning decklist and it already has 9 colorless lands and a one off plains, which seems to be there only to enable 2x Radiant Flames and 2x Hallowed Moonlight in the sideboard.

In the main deck it seems like seagate wreckage would be strictly better than that plains, and you're getting Kozilek's Return to replace those sideboard slots.

Though I think seagate wreckage is a card you would have to actually play with in order to see how good it is.

>>44447228
What did modern get from Origins?

>>44447528
Pia and Kiran
that rare merfolk
babyjace

>>44446757
More like the Power Rangers
>Ugin - "Sarkhan, the Eldrazi have awoken! Fetch me five planeswalkers with ATTITUDE!"

>>44447802
>blue ranger is the gay one
hooo boy.

>>44447802
hey if they all fuse 5 giant Hedron's together as a big Hedron Gundam to beat up the Titans all is forgiven.

>>44443006

Because balance. Next you're going to tell me that Steppe Lynx is utter garbage because it also loses the buff.

>>44447194
M:tG doesn't stop at Standard.

>>44446940
They absolutely will keep playing it safe. And no, it's not easier to fuck up that way, that's what 'playing it safe' means. Urza, Affinity, and Cawblade - none of these were a result of playing it safe.

As far as the 'but muh legacy" argument, you already know wizards gives zero fucks about you. They want Legacy to die and be replaced with Modern. Call new blocks what you want, it'll have no effect.

>>44443241

>strictly better than a basic

The creep is real.

>>44448062
So you acknowledge that Standard is garbage (because of wizards) and yet you complain that wizards won't make changes to your format? lolk

>>44448091
Colorless lands are not strictly better than basics you cockholster. And no, colorless is not a real color no matter how much you stupidly spout it.

>>44448144
He's talking about Waste, you boob.

>>44448160
Disregard I suck cocks etc

>>44448091
but not fetchable with e.g. evolving wilds

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>>44447802
>>44446757
>>44447894
Are the planeswalkers going to combine their powers to make Captain Planeswalker?

>>44448315
I might not agree with yu-gi-oh business model but if there's one thing they were able to do well is prevent the game from becoming stale and finding new way to use what they have at their disposition.

>>44448452
While I suppose a randomly rotating ban list does accomplish that, it's certainly not my idea of a good time.

>>44447208

If you're not the majority it means you weren't even the type of person they were talking about, you basically just burst into a discussion in which your existence is off-topic and tried to make it about you. It isn't about you, nobody cares about you. It's about the morons that buy into every new set and enjoy them while screaming that Magic is dead and being unable to see the dissonance between those two things. If you'd like to talk about that feel free but I have no idea why you're laying into that guy essentially because they weren't accounting for your personal experiences and attitudes as though that were in any way relevant to anything.

If you don't drive an ice cream truck then don't rush to defend yourself when someone criticizes ice cream truck drivers, it just reveals that you're a self-absorbed prick unable to comprehend conversations in which you aren't the primary topic.

>>44448428
they only have earth, fire, whip, and water. they need lili to join and give the power of heartless.

>>44448540
>tfw you'd never play YGO because the rules are a clusterfuck and the cards give you eye cancer

>>44448510
I'm more talking about the creative use of old mechanics like rituals while also bring new shit like those pendulum monster or whatever they are, The last set I played was years ago and everything at the time was DARK or lightsworn.

>>44448540
I'm part collector, I like opening packs and moving products, the rarity scheme turned me off. like trying to open an expedition land

>>44448548
It'll obviously be Sorin.

>>44448452

Except that the game is stale, every game basically comes down to who can go off first unless you deliberately decide to play at a lower power level. OTK: The Game gets pretty boring after an afternoon, let alone the lifespan of a major CCG. Mid-era yugimon was a pretty decent game but they have absolutely not succeeded in keeping it that way.

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>>44448428
>jace isnt anime anymore

typing this here so that it's marked forever. avacyn in new innistrad's gonna be a blue/white angel.

>>44449021
>he hasn't seen the art for Innistrad 2: Emrakulic Boogaloo

>>44448548
I think you mean skull power

>>44448428

>No black walker can be bothered to give a fuck

Truly the best color

>>44448428
>that fugly Jace that just got his mom to give him a haircut

>>44448120
You're strawmanning so hard I can't even begin to unravel it.

>>44449251
>that Jace
>fugly
u wot m8

>>44443540
>>44443495
Patently false.
We've had at least five sets with -1/-1 counters, instead.

>>44449021
Gideon is now, and he's going full Hot-Blooded Do the Impossible on us.

somehow he's going to pull one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6-pNp0sEtc

>>44449407
I get the impression that Gideon is very much a Half-Godling with the father being Heliod.

he very much feels like a Hercules character, and they specifically said they "left Hercules out of Theros" which is fitting as Gideon left and never came back.

>>44447192
They do have "bring your own standard" tournaments where you pick two blocks and a core set I believe

>>44447230
Same for my area only everyone plays EDH and waits for Standard to rotate back to being playable.

>Reddit circlejerking over how good Immolating Glare is

>>44451570
To be fair, it's essentially the Doom Blade of the next year

It fucks with essentially anything that's basic goal of winning partially involves hitting someone, and it's conditions only go that far. As long as it's not Indestructible, it's pretty much the best removal you can get for a mere 2 mana.

>>44446850
For me it feels like they simply want to power down standard.

>>44448428
Chandra looks damn cute in this picture.

>>44451836
No she doesn't she looks like fucking Felicia Day.

>>44451759
there are very few indestructible creatures anymore.

basically its just Gideon and Sarkhan.

>>44452761
Don't forget Ulamog anon.

>>44452789
you are already dead if they can attack with the 'Mog.

it doesn't matter if you kill it at that point.

>>44448428
>Half have symbols, half have abstract globs of energy
>One of the globs is White, color of order and structure
>One of the symbols is Green, color of nature and instinct

This bothers me more than it should.

>>44452834
Gideon's is his "indestructability" Aura.

Jace is his Mind Magic, it has always looked like that when he activates it.

Chandra's is just fucking Fire.

Nissa's has to be like her Elves clan crest or something.

Jace the best

>>44452834
Gideon is a paladin anon, accept it.

derp

>>44452900
no, Elspeth is, Gideon follows no set laws, only JUSTICE.

he could never be a paladin.

>>44452942
He follows his own law, the law of justice.

>>44446591
Fuck, me too.

>>44448540
>Super-amazing and equally expensive card came out that you want? Just wait a bit and it will be mass reprinted.
Anon, the whole problem with Yu-Gi-Oh's business model is that by the time that mass reprinting happens, they've already printed a new card/archetype that blows the one you liked out of the water. That's the whole point: the latest rares dominate, so people Crack packs looking for them. Once the rush is petering out, they reprint it in bulk to destroy it's aftermarket presence and replace it with something more powerful that fills the gap. The old card is now no longer valuable for mechanical dominance nor scarcity, so it becomes another bit of junk-binder fodder. Repeat ad infinium.

You will never, ever have a competitive deck with your buying strategy.

>>44449407
not enough red in his blood for that.
I do find it amusing that thus far the most well developed neowalkers are Gideon and Sorin now though. Well at least the two that feel like actual characters or people.

>>44442708

Oh b-boy! I can't wait to open 2 of these babies at pre-release

>>44442985

>A True Eldrazi
>Not a drone, or a processor, or a whatever the fuck
>For TWO FUCKING MANA

Eldrazi were already ruined as a concept, but jesus christ.

>>44454227
It makes sense in combination with its ability.

It can basically take the form of any and all Eldrazi, no matter the size, with the only size limit being what's the biggest Eldazi it comes across.
This thing can basically be either a small toad with 1/4 or a gigantic 10/10 abomination.

>>44443125

good=/=oppressive and probably format warping

>>44443241
This is so far the best card in the set, a godsend for any tap out control deck, and a very real reason to run painlands.

I expect to see this a lot in Modern, and maybe even legacy

>>44443241

>The memers at TCC got the best spoiler

Ayy

>>44454116
and Ajani.

also he is pretty Red too, he hangs out with the boros Legon all day.

>>44451570
It's basically a much worse Valorous Stance.

Same cost, but it can't protect your creatures, can't kill defensive/utility creatures, and can only kill during your opponent's combat step. Anything with less than 4 toughness is probably something that can easily be handled by white's creatures, so the restriction on Stance doesn't even really matter.

>>44454653
>TCC
>memers

When's the next spoiler dropping? Next one I'm aware of is the TMS one in an hour.

>>44446805
Ramp runs 4 Shrine, 4 Sanctum, 2 Haven and 3 Hedron Archive, so turning it on isn't hard. I just think it's pointless because it's such a corner case.

>>44442985
Why does it not have the shapeshifter type?

>>44454767
I completely forgot about him. What ever did become of whites old poster boy? Was nice seeing a non-human kicking around.

>>44455842
Because it's not a shapeshifter. It's just another one of Kozilek's organs.

>>44455880
Last I heard, he was fucking around on Theros with Elspeth and is now pissed at Heliod for killing his breast friend.

>>44455990
Oh ya he was in that set. I completely forgot about Theros.
Guess it really was that bland.

>>44452834
Gideon's light is a symbol, it's just covered by the set name.

>>44442867
>implying it won't see play in affinity

>>44456021
He went completely under the radar for the most part.
Did he even do anything relevant to any events that happened on Theros? Even fucking Daxos left a bigger impression with the little shit he did than Ajani.

Though I assume banging a planeswalking lady paladin at a satyr's giant orgy and being stabbed by her in your sleep because she was high as fuck is a pretty memorable way to go.

>>44456100
He was in M15 as Ajani Steadfast, but yeah, he hasn't done much since Elspeth died.

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>>44455880

>Gideon
>Human

>White can now tutor Planeswalkers
Oh wow.
I mean, tutoring for a planeswalker doesn't fit in black flavor-wise, but that's a pretty good thing to tutor for in a color normally focused on tutoring enchantments and artifacts only.

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>>44456363
>Gideon
>the white planeswalker

wew there newladdie, that's a decent attempt at bait but it's a little bit dated at this point

>>44456437
where have you been?
white gets all the toys now
it's got the best spot removal, its getting some card draw, and now a few more tutors

Anyone feel like posting it? I can't find it on any of the spoiler sites

>>44455880
>>44455990
>>44456021
>>44456100
>>44456197
Last we heard of Ajani he fucked off back to his home plane to be sad. Wish he'd come back.

>>44456437
wait, where is white getting tutor.

Did I miss that?

>>44443376
>magic is ruined because of mechanics
People can get over that, there's already good shit.
>magic is ruined because WoTC are phukin autists who can't tell a story
Thats true. I loved innistrad, but if they introduce eldrazi, I'm boycotting the block

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>>44456653

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>>44456041
You sure, man? I don't see anything in there.

>>44456689
Wow, 3cmc? That's as effective as tutors get these days. Plus you're obviously never grabbing anything less than 4cmc

>>44456558

Apparently that spot removal is going bye bye in the future.

>>44456689
>Jace gets flavor quote on a white card featuring Gideon
lawl

>>44456689

Well this could make Superfriend decks the real deal next rotation.

>>44456695

I just high fived Gideon

>>44456735
If Gatewatch = Superfriends, who are the Legion of Doom?

>>44456689
Wish it cost 1 less or was instant.

>>44456717
wouldn't surprise me if WotC try and phase it out so it can just be more critters mashing face.

>>44456689
Why didn't they give the full-art promo to this instead of Jori En? Would that have made too much sense?

>>44456768
The walkers who actually get shit done, but fail due to their own incompetence and pure focus on taking down the superfriends.

>>44456768

Tezzeret, Nicol Bolas, Sarkhan, Ob Nixilis

>>44456822
>no Tibalt

>>44456787
it should also put the planeswalker onto the battlefield

>>44456856
A 2 mana tutor for a walker isn't OP at all.

>>44456877
Not strong enough

>>44456689
Damn, if only that quote was a deathflag for Jace...

>>44456849

Okay okay i'll revise.

Garruk, Tibalt, Nicol Bolas, Ob Nixilis

I could totally see Nicol Bolas seducing Garruk with the promise of an endless supply of Planeswalkers to hunt down.

>>44456849
he's off running about and being a useless, dickless motherfucker no one likes.
If we're talking DC, he's the equivalent of Calendar Man

>>44456709
>tfw your opponent tutors for a Tibalt
>tfw they're mocking you

>>44456949
Fuck off

>>44456905

>"I should have left while I had the chance"
-Jace

>>44456603
Nah, he's on Theros being maximum fedoralord in order to kill the gods

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>>44456689
What's spooky about this card is the mana fixing options we're going to be getting in Oath.

I could literally just drop the colorless rock, get myself a free white mana from it's ETB effect, and cast Call to get myself a spicy planeswalker of literally any other color.

It's pretty busted for Standard and literally any other format if you ask me.

>>44456979
>>44456603
>>44456197
I thought he was only out to kill Heliod because Heliod is a huge cunt and none of the other gods like him anyway.

He also wears Elspeth's cloak now and there's that theory of Brimaz becoming the new white god or something because Ajani telling everyone about Heliod's giant gaping pussy.

>>44457035
Yeah, but there's only what, three planeswalkers you'd WANT to fetch in standard right now?
And one of those is white, and another is colorless, leaving Sarkhan Turnsintoadragon.
Remember, you can't fetch a flipwalker, they're creatures in your library

>>44456689
>3cmc tutor
>for the least important card type in all of magic
Fucking really? Perhaps I'm mistaken but I don't think fucking planeswalker toolbox decks are going to be viable any time soon.
I find it difficult to think of a deck where I would prefer this to just another planeswalker, but OK.

>>44442928
Wurmcoil all day, man. Makes a good blocker, gets you goodies when it goes away, gets infinite combo with Ashnod's Altar and Nim Deathmantle.

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>>44457191
Hey man, a tutor's a tutor and if it gets me an Ugin that might save my life it's certainly worth running.

Plus you have Shadows coming in April and literally whatever the fuck else after that. I think it's safe to say this card will find some good use, either now or in the long run.

>>44457218
No sense not having it around, and they've been more cautious about tutors in general
That said, it compares well to Idyllic Tutor (and compare Idyllic to Enlightened)

>>44452875
Nissa's handgesture obviously represents Zendikar's leylines. What's left of them, since the plane looks to be fucked.

>>44457274
I wasn't saying it's bad. Just that it's not busted, like was being implied.

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>>44457218
>least important card type

>>44456689
>abzan will always have gideon, sorin and ugin on-demand to answer any boardstate.

fuck it. fuck standard. i'm out. who wants to buy all my magic cards that aren't in the boxes labeled 'twin' and 'grixis pyromancer'

>>44457398

Please, this won't see serious play until April. Who the fuck would play this over Anafenza?

>>44441763
>Can't use with colors
>break colors

>>44457413
Anyone that wants to run white and Planeswalkers

>>44457437

>let me just spend a turn tutoring for something to play next turn while you run me over with Rhinos

No.

>>44456695
Well, now that I see the whole thing I understand. Before it looked like it maybe had some kind of shape.

>>44442901
You do realize that you have to reset the power creep every once in awhile otherwise every card would be stupidly powerful. Either by innastrad or the block after we will see powerful cards again and then they will reset it again. It's part of the magic cycle calm your tits and enjoy the game. Or not it doesn't really matter

>>44457452
Listen we can talk about the worst situation for a card all night but at some point we have to accept that you're still tutoring a planeswalker.

>>44457452
>Rhino
This is basically the "dies to doom blade" of our current Standard and the equivalent of saying "it's good in EDH/Limited"

don't be a meme

>>44457413
it'll probably actually go into esper control first.

i just hate abzan because they've had all the cool toys for the past two years.

>>44457524

There isn't a planeswalker who affects the gameboard enough the turn he comes in to justify wasting a turn fetching them EXCEPT for Ugin.

There, sound better?

>>44457803
>EXCEPT
literally "don't refute my argument with what i know will refute the argument" the argument

don't be a meme

>>44457524
But doom blade can't kill siege rhinos.

>>44457480
They don't need to reset shit, they just need to design horizontally instead of vertical.
But they're shit designers and Hasbro loves the top-heavy lottery model.

>>44457480
>You do realize that you have to reset the power creep every once in awhile otherwise every card would be stupidly powerful.
Good job buying into the meme Wizards uses to excuse their incompetent designers and casual shitter pandering. If we are in the 'resetting the powercreep stage' they sure did a good job, BfZ is inexcusably abysmal.
"Powercreep" isn't something that sneaks up into WotC R&D in the middle of the night and suddenly makes cards strong. Wizards makes this "powercreep" intentionally because the only way they can make new exciting cards is to rehash old ones, BUT BETTER! See babyjace and merfolk looter and before you go "W-Well maybe I want merfolk tribal!" or some assbackwards excuse, you'll see that WotC just stapled extra goodshit sauce on a looter, printed it at mythic and now it sells for an absurd amount on second hand market.
cont.

>>44457480
>>44457913
Wizards makes powercreep, "lowering the power of standard" is just their way of saying "We're going to make a few shitty sets so when we print our next money makes you'll be so desperate for good cards you'll pay out the ass for them".
Don't excuse Wizards for their shitty set design and power level, it's not a mistake, it's intentional.

>>44457941

Thankfully I can just keep playing Grixis Dragons until late 2016, completely ignoring the new Zendikar except for the dual lands.

Kolaghan is best Dragon.

>>44456768
>>44456689
>>44448428
Super friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhMr4hBwWGw

>>44457867
The only decks that plays 4 ugins in standard are green ramp decks.
None of them currently play white.
There is no reason for you to play the card over ugin if all you will ever search for is ugin.
So it will only see play if the ramp decks start splashing white so that they can have an inferior version of running 5-8 ugins.
That is not "Anyone that wants to run white and Planeswalkers"

>>44443436
what if it was Marit Lage instead?

>>44458233
>None of them currently play white.
Not true. Splash white for Quarantine Field in main and Arashin Cleric in SB.

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>>44458233
Run a filter desu, you can still get the wonders of green ramp without having to deal with a color you might not neccesarily need

Besides, searching Ugin would make it easier to proc Sanctum, which would in turn make it easier to search for Ulamog. By the time you're filtering to run a white tutor in a green deck you'll most likely have enough mana to do all of those things.

>>44443376
But that Lovecraft story was about fish people, not tentacle spoopies.

>>44458326
>>44458335

Seeing as how Kozilek's Return is red I see Ramp decks being RG more than anything

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>>44441739

I was very sad to find that there's only one other red Merfolk in the game. for some reason i thought i would see more.

>>44457480
No you don't. Every set should be strong at what it does, but every set should emphasize being strong at something different. Make Thing A strong but Thing B weak in one set, make Thing B strong but Thing A weak in another.

That's how you make every set good without letting powercreep happen. Every set should have some theme or deck or playstyle or mechanic you can point to and go "Yeah, that's awesome!" If you can't, then why should the set even exist?

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>>44452671
Who can sometimes look cute.

>>44452942
that's sort of the very definition of paladin.
just because a lot of people do it wrong doesn't change its actual meaning.

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>>44458274
On the one hand, Wizards has a habit of visiting a plane and just fucking it all up to the point anything that was enjoyable about the original flavor is gone, and I like Innistrad so I really don't want anything too bad to happen.

On the other hand, Marit Lage is awesome and I wish WotC would bring her back. She's so much more interesting than the Eldrazi.

>>44456689
I like this card, but only because it's going right into narset superfriends edh

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>>44458506

Will you be mad when it's revealed Marit is another Eldrazi?

>>44454019
my turn 0 exodia deck still wins, regardless of meta.

>>44458450
>Make Thing A strong but Thing B weak in one set, make Thing B strong but Thing A weak in another.
Wizards has gone on record saying that they do the exact OPPOSITE, seeding cards good for one set's playstyle for a colour into other sets before and after it in small amounts, see that cycle of spirits in original Ravnica that was intended to support Kamigawa spirit tribal.

>>44458546
That's not what he means, he means ramp can be strong in one set and weak in another, while fatties are good instead.
The KAM-RAV stuff is about cards working together, ramp can work well with good fatties.

>>44458506

I'm so happy they won't revisit Kamigawa. All they need is a Multi-Color Legendary Samurai from a Commander deck and I'd be completely content.

>>44458542
>the fourth titan, sealed by mere ice instead of magic seals

guys, we have our solution! Get out the snowmaker!

>>44458709

Hey it could be, there don't seem to be any cold areas on Zendikar.

>>44458481
Picture unrelated.

>>44458583
>>44458546

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w

Cyclical Imbalance is what he's saying should exist.

>>44458599
Isn't it already confirmed that it's not a matter of IF we return to Kamigawa, but a matter of WHEN?

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Bla bla bla.. Another uninspired shit set by the same shills trying to push nonsense and SJW propaganda. Magic is dead af

>>44458542
Yes, because the Eldrazi are boring. Their motivates are dull (they're hungry for mana). We know where they come from, we know what they do, we know how they can be trapped, and none of it was ever really treated as a mystery. They're mindless beasts driven to eat (at least Galactus has a personality).

Marit Lage on the other hand is a mystery. The prospect of what she might be, that she may have actual motivations and an interesting origin... It'd be such a waste if she was just another giant monster that eats everything.

Then again, even when tackling a motivation-driven villain, WotC fucks it up. "Bolas is manipulating everything for his own mysterious ends! ...what ends? Oh. Uh... shit, we forgot to actually come up with that part..."

>>44458802
Maro says Kamigawa (and Lorwyn) were failures so they probably won't revisit them. ...in that case, after BFZ block, maybe we'll never visit Zendikar again either.

>>44458481
[citation needed]

>>44458891
>lorwyn
>Failure
What is he smoking Lorwyn was casual heaven, decks built themselves. Rogue were fun as fuck

>>44458542
Too late, she's confirmed black mana.

>>44458870
There's a good bit of lore on Marit Lage in flavor text that makes an implication that her icy prison does nothing to stop her wrath from touching those who wish to keep her contained.

Makes me wonder if the Marit Lage we see in Dominaria isn't actually her, but rather just the physical embodiment of something much stronger that simply loves to toy with the beings of the planes for her own amusement.

>>44459047
well that would certainly explain why the creature type is avatar, now wouldn't it.

keep with the times man, this is old news.

>>44458891
well, its gonna end with it getting eaten, so we kind of knew that already.

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>>44459047
the marit lage token is an avatar, ie. merely a representation.

it is entirely likely that marit lage is a player-walker analogue.

>>44459251

I thought that it was explicit that Marit Lage was a planeswalker, but I was only like... nine when Ice Age came out, so I may be misremembering flavor text. Perhaps her stasis let her maintain her fully powered original spark? Maybe she'll eat the Eldrazi because Oldwalker.

>>44458916
It's based on white people mythology so the jew will say it's toxic and unpopular no matter how many surveys proove him wrong.

>>44458891
They'll go back to it. Might not be for 8 years or so, but 'Rebirth of Zendikar' or something will be a thing.

>>44459331
Opposite, actually. She's explicitly NOT a Planeswalker, but she does have the ability to planeswalk.

>>44446850
>I think part of their new creative push is keeping the artists more strictly in line with a "house style"
That is no secret. They have talked extensively about how they're making the art for each block have a more uniform feel for several years now. That said, not every block will have exactly the same feel and therefor not exactly the same style either.

>>44458725
Except Marit Lage wasn't frozen on zendikar?

>>44448428
>Read an article today about American republicans depicting Obama darker and darker over the course of their ad campaigns
>Gideon is basically black here

I'll never get your obsession with skin color, America. It's not that big a deal.

is there any somewhat competitive standard deck that won't get shafted by the rotation in april? I am thinking about SaffronOlive's GB Leap deck, since it poops on abzan and bros.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-62-24-tix-standard-gb-value-leap

I also have bw vampires built up, but the deck lacks some powerful finishers - Rally will rotate out and March from the Tomb is too slow.

>>44449243
Lil, Sorin, and Ob Nix confirmed for best planeswalker because they give no shits about the fate any of these plucky assholes.