Pathfinder General /pfg/

Posting again for the guy who wanted to know about the waifu I didn't want.

I was playing a devil blooded tiefling fighter with a bunch of eldritch heritage for pit-touched bullshit. Found out my lineage actually originated directly from a Pit Fiend seven generations back. I wanted no part of it, but apparently hell's politics thought I would be useful (easily manipulated more like).

The love interest was towards that end, she was introduced as a nice bard, also a tiefling, and felt the same "outcast's lot" as I did. The thing is, my character didn't feel that. He knew he was discriminated against, but had spent most of his life as a mercenary since he got sold off as a kid. He couldn't remember his parents and didn't really care, he had enough money now to live the high life. Prostitutes don't really care if you have a set of horns as long as you got enough coin, and his party didn't give a shit he was a tiefling (neither did the mercenary company he eventually ended up in).

She went on and on about changing things, and all I wanted was coin and eventually a nice comfortable place to live out my long life.

She was actually sent by devils in order to tempt me, but was shit at it. Got the point she tried to use mind control on me, but my GM didn't realize how fantastic my saves were and I not only resisted, but fucking put dimensional anchors on her so she couldn't run and butchered her for trying to encroach on my mind. It however didn't end there. Apparently someone saw fit to resurrect her, and then she played the whole "how could you do that" card.

>>44430446
>No More Waifus

>Not being a waifu PC

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A0B2Un1b5hCNDrecBDymrlSluU9DJwGlo-uPQeyopis/edit?usp=sharing

Alright, more work has been done on the Fusilier (And especially the additional discoveries that are not limited to it.)

It is, however, still very much a work in progress. Any thoughts on general power/issues would be highly appreciated.

The Fusilier is a warrior-alchemist, working without extracts but with great skill with blade, bomb and gun.

What is the best character sheet available online?


Fucking chummer5 has spoiled me.

>>44430405

Anon, you're missing out on Ameiko.

>>44430496
>Not being a waifu PC

What would a waifu PC even be?

Have any of you ever played a PC that was certified waifu/husbando material?

>>44430525
>What is the best character sheet available online?

Myth-Weavers, by far.

Anyone got a link to the thread where they're arguing stealth doesn't allow sneak attacks?

>>44430525
I wish there was a chummer5 for pathfinder, but the amount of material is just crazy.

>>44430529
She'd be more rapeable when she's running sandpoint. So maybe save her for chapter 3 or 4.

Hello everyone! Christmas has finally calmed down enough for me to put work in on the character guide of On Cold Winds Working Title.

I am doing it right now in fact! Writing the races guide.

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jiqbOgtvMz7uV8MxP9Wy5EuMHs_Yw2jWaWlOyMZlU8A/edit?usp=sharing

Scroll to the bottom, feel free to comment, insult me, ask questions, and more!

>>44430529

I made a DILF Slayer seeking his missing changeling daughter. He's optimistic, very good with his hands, and has an honest rural upbringing.

It was apparently enough to encourage my DM to insist the hag he sired the daughter with was a ravishingly beautiful good-natured forest spirit, and between now and reuniting with her every female NPC seems to be after his dick.

The dad beard (think "fantasy Kyle Katarn") helps, I suppose.

>>44430529
>>44430616

>rapeable
>not being a more creative malevolent NPC and polymorphing them, petrifying them and whatever other means exist to play

So, anyone fool around with the weapon building thing in WMH?

>>44430743
It's garbage

>>44424505

The way it's written and presented is awful. Just really fucking boring to read, and seems overly complex.

The occultist has a couple important things that makes it fairly good:

>The ability to get up to seven different passive abilities that are not great, but aren't terrible
>Similarly, the ability to get up to seven active abilities that are decent but not great
These are gotten over 18 levels.

>At 3rd level and every odd level after, you get a Focus Power. These range from terrible to incredibly good.
>Some highlights include stuff like Summon Monster a bunch of times per day as a standard action, solid fog that doesn't affect you, the ability to utterly wreck mystery plots in several ways, save or loses, minionmaking, buffing allies, using AoE spells without hitting allies, and other neat things

And finally, the thing that makes them hilarious
>42 spells known by level 18, not including cantrips. Spontaneous casting.

>>44430525
Probably mythweavers. Dndsheets would be better if it actually worked properly, though.

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Commission anon from yesterday. Give me an idea /pfg/ any idea but two characters only(money doesnt grow on trees) prefferanly two grills but for the most part anything goes.

>>44430923
Kess and Lini cracking jokes about each other's profession/height.

What can I say, I like bad puns.

>>44430923
Succubutt + Succubitt

>>44430923

Greta blushing furiously while holding hands with her lover during sex.

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>>44430695
Man, your DILF Slayer is sounding more and more great with each mention.

What's a good feat for an unarmed character getting cha to hit (not to damage) and can flurry of blows like a chained monk? I'm an Anchorite archetype Shadewright with carnal flurry if you care how.
>>44430923
Nocticula corrupting one of those Lillends she has or Arueshale or Desna.

>>44430923
Arueshalae and anyone, preferably.

>>44430923
Feiya and Seoni making out while sharing one of those double sided long throat dildos.

Make it apparent that Feiya is the one taking the dominant part of the communal dildo swallowing.

>>44430923
A half-orc wizard picking up and cuddling an adorably furious halfling barbarian.

>>44430923

Seoni getting Kyra into something exceedingly lewd.

>>44431001
>>44430998
>>44430992
>>44430967
>>44430964
>>44430952
>no ones mentioned queen of cheliax
You guys dont like evilfus?

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>>44430923
The aftermath of this picture of Imrijka buying a prostitute. Girl dick optional but encouraged.

>>44430923
Szuriel and a female Temerdaemon.
Szuriel is laying on top of the Temerdaemon, and the Temerdaemon is "using" it's extra hands.

>>44431020
Nocticula luring Abrogail Thrune III away from diabolism and towards demonism through some kind of sexy situation. Look damn it Nocticula deserves some porn.

>>44430923
A Sun Giant and the one monster who does shit with pregnancies.

Any more fun gestalt suggestions?

>>44431179
Unchained Monk + Monk.

>>44430952
>>44431009
>>44431010

eh should have said no non lewds

>>44430964
>>44430992
>>44430998
I like this

>>44430967
>holding hands
anon pls

>>44431020
>>44431060
I agree with this.

>>44431023
This i also like. Maybe it would be better with another known character instead of a literal who?

>>44431025
It could work but im not sure the artists would be up to the task.

>>44431084
hm...

>>44431179
Books?

>>44431179
Spiritualist+Summoner

>>44431195
Paizo only

otherwise i'd just play soul knife for years its my favorite

>never played pathfinder
>group wants me to DM a PF game where they start at level 10

HELP

>>44431217
So no core classes whatsoever?

>>44431252
?

Its paizo books only. Meaning no dreamscarred press.

thinking maybe Arcane Duelist Bard/Chosen One Paladin might be fun.

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So I'm trying to recreate an old build idea from 3.5 that was a lot of fun, effectively playing dungeon keeper. Probably Pazio only but I might be able to convince them to use dream scared press, if I buy the physical books, maybe.

Managed it with psion, thrallherd, and most importantly the fiend of possession prc. Is there anything similar in pathfinder?
Goal would be to be 'bodiless' and able to move senses over a large area, have minions, and possess said minions.

Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.

>>44431179
Alchemist/Barbarian, rage while on drugs for profit
Alchemist/Rogue, bombs and sneak attack damage with the Underground Chemist archetype
Alchemist/Wizard, super-SAD with the highest Int in the game or muscle wizard
Alchemist/Monk, become Goro
Alchemist/Summoner, tag-team enemies with a wrestling buddy
Alchemist/Kineticist, create multiple clone bodies and spend as much burn as you want
I really like Alchemists.

>>44431009
Sounds like something that would be more up Dorian's alley than whoever Anon has doing this commission. Still a cute idea though.

>>44431194
I thought the idea with Imrijka would be fitting since /pfg/ always got a hearty laugh and lots of lewd jokes any time that picture was posted. It's all about the expressions the three characters in the picture have I think, but actually watching that pretty darn cute IMO gril take fat half-orc dickings from the Iconic Inquisitor would be hot.

>>44431060 seems like next best option in my opinion. What artist are you looking to commission from, anyway?

>>44431250
How big is your group? Have any of you played Pathfinder before or are you all new? Any idea of what kind of characters they want to play yet? And when's the first session suppose to be?

We need some details if we're gonna help you, anon.

>>44431179
make a named bullet build.

the fun part is it's impossible to make the 1 side I swear to god.
my current build is like
Wizard(11) | eldritch archer (6) aegis (1) trench fighter (3) musket master(1)

>>44431293
Dreamscarred press has both Psion and Thrallherd in Ultimate psionics, converted over to Pathfinder with some updates.

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>>44431331
>Alchemist/Summoner

CONSIDER:
>promethean/preservationist Alchemist Gestalted with Summoner
>You are now in control of up to three characters on the field, two of which can use Summon Monster

I fucking love this archetype combo and nobody can make me not like it

>>44431335
if i was gonna go named bullet in Gestalt i'd just take 1 level of spellslinger and then go into either Sorc or Oracle and Gunslinger.

>>44431387
It's really the only way to have a decent Promethean, it gives up too much to combine with any other archetype and bizarrely doesn't trade out Persistent Mutagen despite trading out the normal Mutagen ability and forbidding you from taking the discovery for it.

What's a decent prestige class for a Polymath Alchemist who wants higher level maneuvers?

>>44431179
>gestalt

What is the definition of this word?
Is it slang for multi-class?

>>44431204
>A phantom refuses to manifest (either fully or as part of a bonded manifestation; see Bonded Manifestation) in the presence of an eidolon or shadow summoned by the phantom's master. Furthermore, if a phantom is manifested when such a creature is summoned, it immediately retreats into its spiritualist's consciousness, and will not manifest again until the eidolon or shadow is dismissed.

>>44431536
It's a game about players who want to power trip.

>>44431536
Gestalt is a variant ruleset from 3.5. for some reason, people like it enough for it to have stuck around.

>>44431536
Gestalt means you basically get two classes at once and take the better parts of both of them in one character

>>44431536
It was a campaign variant in 3.5. It's commonly ported to PF. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm

>>44430978

I'd test the theory that Halflings can't breed with humans very thoroughly if you were in the campaign, anon.

>>44431536
>What is the definition of this word?
It means "good shape". How it ended up being associated with Pathfinder, I have no idea.

>>44431554
Well my game is down to two players. Gestalt is more fun than controlling two chars

>>44431334
I wasn't against it, i just thought it would be better with someone recognizable but i really like the idea. I'm going to try and get two of these ideas made reality probably that nocticula and abrogail one.

>>44430967

This is too cute.

>>44431573
>>44431560
>>44431558
>>44431557
>>44431554
much obliged

>>44431536
Gestalt is like multiclassing on crack. At each level you level up in two separate tracks of classes, so a level 2 Fighter/Wizard gestalt would have the full BAB, bonus feats, etc. of a fighter and the spells of a wizard. In the case of saves and other things that overlap the best one is used, so the fighter's good Fort save instead of the wizard's bad one, and the wizard's good Will save instead of the fighter's bad one, and the full BAB and d10 hit die for the fighter instead of the wizard's half bab and d6 hit die.

>>44431536
Gestalt means taking the strengths of two separate classes; spellcasting, class features, best available hit dice/saves/etc. It's a similar concept to multiclassing in the same way that a threesome is a similar concept to switching lovers.

>>44431573

Gestalt effectively means many parts making a greater whole, such as gestalt intelligence.

You can see how this works in the definition for Pathinder.

>>44431447
I know Promethean by itself is just completely fucked over and you NEED to run it with preservationist to have it "work". I just really like the archetype anyway and really wish it had more/better support.

>>44431527
Also how do the Initiation Archetypes interact with Prestige-Classes. If I go from Polymath into say Awakened Blade at level 10, can I take maneuvers like a normal initiator or is my growth still stunted?

>>44431747
The former. This is both RAW and stated RAI.

Is a character who goes sword-and-board remotely useful as a melee combatant? If the answer is yes, what things make that so? I'm just looking at longsword+heavyshield vs greatsword and it looks absolutely pointless.

>>44431650
Is Gestalt 1pp? If so, which book?

>>44431527
Mage Hunter or Bladecaster are both single class entry options, with mage hunter giving a new spell list and Bladecaster advancing your alchemist spellcasting.

But I'd honestly recommend just using advanced study to get higher level maneuvers instead of using a PRC.

>>44431830
If Path of War is Allowed :YES YES YES
If Path of War isn't Allowed: NO NO NO(unless you shoot for hyper cheese)

>>44431830

It's very functional if you go Warder, or Zweihander Sentinel with the Scarlet Throne Style feat.

If I was going to go Bard/Paladin Gestalt would it be better to go Arcane Duelist or Dervish Dancer for the Bard Archetype?

>>44431833
I think it was a rule in 3.5, it definitely isn't one in PF. They just ported it over.

>>44431873
Well I'm looking into a Boost Focused Ray Psion gestalt. I was going to use Unorthodox Method to get Elemental Flux->Animus Adept. I'm just looking for an Int based Initiator to gestalt with, but so far only the Belluspex looks somewhat viable.

>>44431979
Hawkguard Warder gives you access to both solar wind and Tempest Gale, and then you can trait or tradition into Elemental Flux.

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>>44431571
Trust me, the fact that it sounds like your game's full-up and on hiatus fills me with sadness.

>>44432033
Yeah, but so much shit is going to be wasted since this character is going to be attacking with rays which you never really "wield".

With the Belluspex i get
>double dose of bonus PP
>potentially more bonus pp from knowing sleeping goddess shit
>Tempest Gale
>Style Specialization:Solar Wind

So I need help with stat distribution for a Human Sorcerer

Point Buy

25

+2 from leveling as I am 11th level

Crossblooded Sorcerer so i get a -2 to will save as well.

I'm thinking 16 in Cha then up it to 20 by Human +2 and +2 from leveling to get 20.

So 15 left

Str to 7 giving me another 4 points so 19 points now

14 for Dex and Con so -10 points

9 points left

15 int and 12 wisdom for a total of -9 points

Guy's gonna be a diplomancer and crafter. Human Silver Tongued and Studied (So 3 skill focus but 2 at this level)

http://www.giantitp.com/articles/jFppYwv7OUkegKhONNF.html

Apparently GM uses this for the diplomacy. But allows custom magic items so I might be able to create some nice Diplomacy Items. In one level I can create Ioun Stone that gives +5 to diplomacy and +5 to bluff.
>>44431250
Anon be honest tell them you want to do a one shot from level 1-3 to get used to the system

Is the Chosen One Paladin any good?

Trading divine bond for improved familiar?

>>44432242
Why do you have 15 int? What is the point?

>>44432264
I wanted more skillpoints and I don't know what to do with the 3 points I would have leftover

>>44432253

Yes, it's solid.

Mostly for flavor though, it lets you play the spunky Wis 8 anime protagonist without feeling bad.

Is there a Golarion Deity that would be cool with Psions and the like, but HATE HATE HATE Arcane Casters?

>>44432316
Nice. I'm considering it for my gestalt game

Dervish Dancer Bard/Chosen One Paladin seems fun as fuck desu.

>>44432342
Irori? Ki isn't so different from psionic powers.

>>44432129
The only reason I'm recommending against belluspex is that it's basically homebrew right now. There's no guarantee when it'll be an official playtest at this time, so use it at your own risk.

>>44432253
>Is the Chosen One Paladin any good?

I'd very much recommend it if you want to play a Paladin without the hassle of having a church background... Or being a particularly devout fellow.

You're effectively playing a young man or woman that's guided into greatness by a talking squirrel and the purity of their own heart.

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>>44432123
>>44431571

Why don't you two just find a nice, private IRC to 1v1 all this unreleased sexual tension? You two have been going at this cocktease for months now.

>>44432342
I don't think there's any deity that particularly hates arcane casters.

>>44432381
This.

>>44432381
Okay, well the DM is pretty lenient about this shit and I'm still in the "looking at my options" phase. I'm also looking at harbinger for ridiculously accurate rays.

>>44432292
You're a human, you get 1 extra. You also can take favored class bonus for 1 more.

4 skills ranks per level should be enough,

8/14/14/12/14/16 would be a more balanced character, which the +2s going into charisma still.

>>44431618
>>44431637

Then someone makes an Aegis/Daevic // Arcanist/Psion and shit gets really fucking strange

>>44432449
>Harbi
Nah, since claims are going to eat my swifts up like a motherfucker.

I guess Hawkguard or Stalker might just be my best bet.

>>44432455
You forgot I took silver tongued meaning no more skilled +1 every level

>>44432455
>>44432572

also favored class bonus goes into known spells a spell level below the highest I know(every level). (Is that bonus not THE best?)

Because THAT is too good

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>>44432411
Because that's lewd, anon. And has it seriously been months?

>>44432627

Game started in August and I started posting about it in September, so a good 2-3 months.

>>44432572
>>44432607
You really dug yourself a hole with not wanting skills but wanting skills. Silver tongued is bad, I'd say drop it.

>>44432723
Eh your right that +2 bonus isn't THAT good.

How do you know when it's greatsword time and when it's falchion time?

>>44432947

When it isnt falcata time?

>>44432947
How do you use Familiar Archetypes

>>44433023
What's a falcata for?

>>44433058

1H 1d8 18-20/x3

You tell me

>>44433051
I think you just apply the archetype as an alternate familiar variant?

>>44433084
1d8 sucks, 19-20 is the weapon's actual threat range, x3 isn't anything to write home about.

>>44433084
It's 19-20/x3

>>44433113
Mathematically, the falcata puts out the highest damage of any weapon.

>>44433126
I don't see see it, can you provide some CHARTS?

>>44433113
I see a man of taste like you won't be satisfied by anything less than martial 1H 2d10 15-20/x5

>>44433126
Only with keen and autoconfirmed crits, and even then not by enough. Most weapons do just fine, most of your damage comes from static bonuses anyway and those are usually plenty high enough to do the enemy in on their own.

>>44433143
https://priestlyendeavors.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/best-weapon-dpr-pathfinder/

Is the Earthbreaker any good if you want to be the hammerlord?

>>44433170
Static bonuses get multiplied by crits.

>>44433188
Earth breaker is inferior to the greatsword, but it's still solid.

>>44433188
>>44433254
If you thematically want a two-handed hammer weapon but you don't want to have reach, then it's your best (possibly only) option. It's a little bit worse than a greatsword, but not so much so that you're sacrificing a lot to take it.

>>44433235
Point is that the difference between 0 and -15 HP is silly. The only hit point that matters is the last one.

>>44433363
Yes, which is why you want to do fucking shit tons of damage to get to that last HP. Falcata supplies significantly more DPR than other weapons, especially on the high end of optimization.

Dwarven Longhammer called, it left a message consisting of 10 minutes of laughter.

>>44433461
But you don't need a falcata to do enough damage most of the time is my point.

>>44433363
it's the difference between positive HP, 0 HP, and negative HP (and that last one only if the target doesn't have Die Hard)

>>44433254
It actually isn't, just because bludgeoning is so much more desirable a damage type.

>>44433489
I mean yeah if your DM is fucking coddling you.

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How do you feel about this map

But seriously for a more combat-y bard archetype. Dervish Dance or Arcane Duelist?

>>44433563
Or you're not shit at building a high dpr character.

>>44433611
Yeah, I'm not shit at building a high DPR character, so I use a falcata. Obviously. It's like you don't even want to break 800DPR.

>>44433482
What?

I find the problem with falcata is that overkilling one enemy with a x3 crit and then taking longer to kill enemies you don't crit doesn't provide meaningful benefit above more frequent crits if those still kill - and they usually do at appropriate CR with halfway-decent optimization. And that's pretending Falcata proficiency is free.

(Reposting with a bit of update from two threads ago since I missed responses)
I am making a Bushi Warlord. Is the stat array (SDCIWS) 18 12 13 10 10 14 fine? I primarily plan to use Mithral Current with Golden Lion and Riven Hourglass. It's on a 20pb starting at level 1. Mostly I'm just looking for things to improve for stats, and things to look out for

>>44433651
>Needing 800 DPR

Anon, the toughest expected HP is 760 at CR 30. You don't /need/ 800 DPR, and if that's what you're shooting for, you're missing the point. Spend build resources getting the ability to do other things in addition to damage.

>>44433666
I think Katana actually offers better DPR

>>44433666
The thing is the falcata doesn't take significantly longer to kill other enemies because it has barely less damage dice and damage dice hardly matter.

Is the beginner box a good place to start playing? If i get it is there anything else i should buy with it?

>>44433693
Last level 20 oneshot I played in an enemy had like... 1800hp I believe?

>>44433586

I love it, actually.

It's the exact map I've been looking for, why?

>>44433693

>you dont need

You dont need to make a farm full of gardens to finance an air fleet at level 6

You dont need to confront cosmic concepts in 1v1 combat

You dont need to go out an adventure

You dont need to post any more.

>>44433740
And no bestiary monster has that. If you're tossing around 800 DPR, then monster HPs will by necessity increase. If you're able to fight things on an even CR without the DM being forced to buff them, then you're in a good place already.

>>44433684
You wouldn't go far wrong going Deadly Agility, putting the 18 in dex, and dumping str, unless you really want that 1.5x str to damage.

Not only does higher dex give you better init/AC/reflex/skills, the Agile Dancer trait makes it the key ability score for Mithral Current.

>>44433722
That post had nothing to do with damage dice. It was comparing falchion to falcata, a 0.5 difference. The point was higher crit rate winds up being more useful than the higher damage on crit, even when average DPR is higher with the latter.

What if there were intelligent items that had maneuvers per encounter instead of spells per level they could cast?

>>44433764
I think the enemy was CR45 by rules.

>>44433774
**key ability score for Perform (Dance), before people accuse me of saying it changes the initiating modifier

>>44433764
>And no bestiary monster has that
Adding class levels to monsters is expected, the bestiary is a base.

>>44433774
>>44433807
Where is that trait?

>>44433794
I cannot fucking believe I'm saying this, but I'd actually rather they be per-day. The rare insane stunt the weapon surprises you with shouldn't be every fight you get into.

>>44433764
It was a pit fiend with 15 levels in fighter and another 15 in oracle.

>>44433828
Fair enough, that'd make them objectively weaker though.

>>44433828
Still sounds better than maneuver scrolls and potions.

>>44433586
It doesn't look enough like Asia.

DSP guys, would refluffing/retooling Shattered Mirror to work off of Craft: Weapon/Smithing or something similar be that nuts?

>>44433586

That's a very comfy map, much more pleasant on the eyes than Avistan.

Fuck, why is Tian Xia so cool?

>>44433894
Well, that's technically re-mechanicsing. I think Shattered Mirror was based off of useless craft skills intentionally. I'd allow it, myself. Skill points are in short supply.

Is there any support for wielding a melee weapon in one hand and a ranged on in the other?

>>44433908
I mean, I know it won't really do much, mechanically.

Totally not making a master-smith/Emiya Shirou character. Definitely not. Also not using that thing the guy submitted to Steelforge to forge the weapon from my own blood.

>>44433938

Hand crossbow? It would follow TWF though

>>44433891
>>44433586

Fun fact: Minkai alone is the size of Avistan.

>>44433938
Yes! Savage technologist barbarian is specifically for this.

>>44433827
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EPARqt5jpie03MIXStgFrNK_si6g218bjT4TFbcizPY/edit?pli=1

More playtest (but pretty much final) material for Path of War: Expanded; ie the same book that the Bushi is going to be released in, so there shouldn't be any issue with the source.

>>44433938
>>44433957

For 3pp also see the DSP's Privateer template, which is designed specifically for that and with a more pirate theme.

>>44433894
Nah, you're fine. Mirror was originally Craft (any) but was changed because of percieved balance issues. 's a perfectly fine houserule. Which I'll repeat because I don't want any confusion like we had last time - HOUSERULE.

Concept sounds cool.

>>44434033
>any confusion like we had last time

I'm still bewildered how that actually managed to happen last time, short of people deliberately trying to create misunderstandings.
/tg/'s chinese whispers effect is strong.

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>>44433955

You're not wrong.

Jesus, can you really trust Ameiko to run something that big? Running a province in Minkai is like running a kingdom the size of Cheliax.

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>>44433944
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>>44433954
>>44433957
>>44434016
I don't know if these would be helpful, sorry. I don't actually intend to use them both in the same turn, just be able to go from attacking one person in one turn in melee, and then another the next turn at range. I think I could do something with two-handed weapons and Quick Draw to switch modes like that instead, but would have to drop the previous weapon on the ground, which I don't like.

>>44434116
Also from DSP, there is the feat Mixed Combat, which does exactly what you describe. It's even on the pfsrd.>>44434116

>>44434116
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/feats/mixed-combat-combat

Though really you're going to be badly starved for feats to be competent at both fighting styles unless you have some class features to support it, like the ones linked above.

Unchained rogue could also do it decently by stacking on the sneak attacks, probably.

>>44430529
I'm waifuing the party's drow gunslinger with a western accent because she was raised in Alkenstar.

>>44433985
So would you say I would be overall better served to make him dex based, rather than strength?

>>44430529
>What would a waifu PC even be?

Any likable and attractive character of a gender you're interested in.
Potentially also one that you'd personally want to waifu if it was physically possible.

I'd like to think a good half of my PCs fit this but >opinions

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>>44434234
>I'd like to think a good half of my PCs fit this

>Saying this without posting some examples

>>44434223
I would say yes but I'm biased because I'm a filthy weeb and just generally prefer the idea of nimble fighters to big musclemen.

Whether it's the best option is up to you but I think going dex-based has a respectable amount of mechanical benefits and certainly wouldn't screw you over.

>>44434280
I will make a side-by-side comparison for my personal sake. I'll put both at primary stat 18, though I think I wont be able to grab Deadly Agility until level , given I want to start with uhh...Katana Expertise

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>>44434265
I know I've got one.

You knew what this was, and you clicked it anyway.

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>>44434374
I want to marry Endeca!

>>44434374
Is that a FFTA2 character?

>>44434403
Don't stick your dick in crazy, anon.

>>44434104
No

>>44430529
>certified waifu/husbando material

That depends on your definition of husbando material. I know my GM and another player really like teasing whatever characters I make. The GM seems especially fond of my almost joke-tier FULL WEABOO kitsune sorcerer, who was originally conceived as as an excuse to experiment with wondrous tattoos and meme about fluffy tail.

The fact that both GM and other player are keen on ERP just throws even more wrenches into things.

>>44434265
People will just tell me how bad my waifutaste is though

>Young cleric of Desna eager to explore the world but not yet allowed to, unknowingly a bit of a masochist and gets a buzz off being in peril, developed a dangerous fascination towards the ex-evil rogue and their past of torture, but seemed to coast by without serious trouble thanks to her luck domain and optimism
>Engineer alchemist who seems very bossy and pedantic, but is very fair and will slightly hesitantly push aside her pride to thank or apologise other party members when they help her out. Also worst overall physical scores in the party.
>Mischievous elf rogue who maxed out stealth and spent almost every scene hidden, just talking to others via a ventriloquism-at-will item and being smug

So what's the best melee fighting style for an Inquisitor? Since you're using Bane to hit shit, critical-based effects are poorer.

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>>44434656

>Soft-bodied Alchemist with a bossy personality

She's like a proto-Tsun.

>>44434677
The best for that is just going to be a greatsword. You know it, I know it, let's not play games. The investment requirement is 0 feats, the damage comes from 0 to 1 feats. No other weapon style is like that.

Post character concepts.

>>44434739
Inquistors aren't proficient with greatswords unless they worship a deity that has greatswords as favored weapons.

>>44434766
Penguin demon drunken brawler.

>>44432411
Doesn't even need to be private~

>>44434677
Probably just whatever the best Reach weapon you're proficient in, and take advantage of your teamwork feats to flank 'n shit.

>>44434766
Harrow spiritualist, as drawn by a more fabulous Wayne Reynolds.

>>44434766
a motherless cleric of Chavazvug questing to sear demons from the planes

>>44434821
>asking for ERP between a halfling alchemist and a DILF human slayer right in the open
Where does this look like, /soc/?

>>44434786
So do that. Worship a decent deity that cares about its flock enough to not give you fucking daggers.

>>44434766
Ulfen Spiritualist who has a bad history with bees, first learned of his Phantom as an "imaginary friend," and is on a pointless quest to find his missing mother.

>>44434992
Yeah, I'm not the guy building the inquisitior. And there are a fair number of decent choices for weapon besides greatsword anyway. Shelyn gives you glaive proficiency, for example. Who wouldn't want to be an inquisitor of Shelyn?

>>44435049
A cool guy in the Gorum club.

>>44433729
a good place to start playing is by picking up some character sheets and some dice, and maybe a used copy of the Core Rulebook, and maybe the Bestiary, too

>>44435090
Wait, who do Gorum's inquisitors inquisit? Pacifists?

>>44431907
Sound Striker and Smite Evil x10 with Weird Words.

>>44435133
Fucking Neutrals.

>>44435223
Gorum is neutral though. Well, CN.

>>44435133
>inquisitor of gozreh
>gets on someone's ass for littering

>>44435133
People who don't respect the battlefield? Assassins? What does Gorum hate?

>>44435371
Yeah yeah but more seriously, Gorum could not be any more Chaotic Evil if he tried. Trying to be more Chaotic Evil would make him less so if anything, which is where demons falter.

>>44435442
Based on what? He supports wars of all causes and glory for all combatants.

>>44435434
Hippies

>>44435188
> He didn't knew that Sound Striker got errata aged ago.

Weirdwords is now a single hit if you target a single target.

http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fz#v5748eaic9t4f

>>44435466
So... Gorum cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows?

Pretty sure that being PF's answer to Khorne makes him pretty CE.

>>44435466
Yes. War for its own sake. He is a god of perpetual fighting and carnage and would literally cease to exist if wars stopped happening.

>>44435414
5 sphere casting inquisitors, 4 taking the nature sphere, 1 taking the mind sphere. They circle cast to cast planar ally to solve all their problems.

So, what is the "iconic min-maxed" level 20 party? Like, builds that are very pushed to the extreme?

That fighter from a threads ago qualifies I think.

Along with that wizard that always gets posted.

Who else should flesh out this party? Does anyone have ridiculous level 20 builds to share?

>>44435525
I don't know what the fuck any of that is.

>>44435188
Why would he do that when he can cast Sonic Thrust for 15x Smite Evil.

>>44435531
Icons of min-maxing, or the iconics but minmaxed?

It kind of varies. A Fighter actually has no place in an iconically minmaxed PARTY, but the class itself can be minmaxed anyway.

>>44435571
>It kind of varies. A Fighter actually has no place in an iconically minmaxed PARTY, but the class itself can be minmaxed anyway.

I'm not so sure, did you see the build?

>>44435588
I did, but in an absolutely minmaxed party, you're looking at stuff like Greater Planar Binding'd and mind controlled angels or other powerful outsiders, free armies of simulacrums, and the like as your beaters.

>>44435531
Arcanist with Arcane Bond acquired in some way and Quick Study definitely belong on the list of maximum-power classes - listwide spontaneity always should be.

>>44435531
>Along with that wizard that always gets posted.

I know how strong wizards are, but what's this about a build that always gets posted?
Haven't seen that.

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>We will never ever reunite the Successor Kingdoms
>We will never ever explore Goka
>We will never ever liberate a monster-held kingdom in Tian Xia
>We will never ever become a Linnorm King
>We will never ever restore the glory of Taldor
>We will never ever crush peasant heads under Molthunian boots

>We will get another Runelord AP

>>44435615
Yeah, those are way easier to kill than the fighter. And simulacrums of who?

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>>44435789
>penis face
That's hurtful

>>44435826
Way easier to kill matters a lot less when you have an army of them teleporting in to support you as needed, and can replace them easily. Your angel buddies, yourselves, whatever else. With Blood Money you don't have to pay for it.

>>44435894
Ah, I always forget blood money exists. The only time the fighter is really required is when you need to hit something who's AC is too high for your angles and saves are out of range (or just immune to magic since that exists).

DSP guys, when are we gonna get the PoW equivalent of the Crown of the White Raven for Steelforge?

Is there any class ability nearly as good as Dust of Sneezing and Choking?

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>>44436060
Like, some kind of...

>>44436060
What is that?

>>44436108
Items that added maneuvers to your maneuvers known.

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>>44435789

But we WILL see every campaign on Roll20 be some variation of "give me content for my homebrew world" or "I'm going to run the handful of APs that aren't good!"

>>44434766
Unchained Rogue (Counterfeit Mage/Sanctified Rogue/Eldritch Raider) with the various magic talents, familiar, bookish rogue etc. - basically a stage magician pretending to be a wizard

Ganzi Medium (Spirit Dancer) based around masks and things like African mythos

Vigilante (Zealot - Fey) with Shade of Uskwood, Empower Holy Symbol, Channel Energy and the Command Undead feats as a aristocrat by day/necromancer by night

Fetchling Vigilante (Warlock) with Shadowjump, Shadow Body SLA, and Concealed Casting to have a 6th level shadowcaster in a sense

Dhampir Spiritualist (Fractured Mind/Ectoplasmatist) with the Bood Drinker/Blood Feaster/Fangs set up and eat people

Android Investigator (Steel Hound) from Alkenstar that has been travelling for some time and realized he's nearing a shut down so he is attempting to find a way to live on/pass on his memories.

A book writer caught up in an eldritch horror setting (think Strange Aeons) who doesn't quite understand what he is dealing with and copes by using it as inspiration for children's books. Like a Dr. Seuss.

Hey guys! What archetypes are compatible with the unchanged classes?

>>44436364
>unchanged classes

All the ones that would normally be.

If I'm playing a fencer, should I still be using Scarlet Einhander at level 5, or are there better options for stances?

>>44436412
Shit, sorry, meant unchained.

>>44436364
Everything for Rogue
Everything for Barbarian

>>44436364
Only Monk of the Mantis for Monks so far, I believe.

>>44434766
Drow Dread / AntiPaladin Intimidator build. Uses channel energy, terrors, cruelties and touch of corruptions to cause sicken, poison, stunned, dazed, diseased, cursed, frightened, panicked, shaken to multiple targets so they become absolutely useless in combat.

Hobgoblin Siege Mage / Construct Rider. Party Crafter Build. Pilots a Mammoth Tank by midlevel play. Enchants the cannon strapped to his mammoth's back to payload bombs and spells.

Wyvaran Construct Rider / Hunter with a Roc Companion. Specializes in aerial bombings via the Bombard Trick and a haversack full of Feather Token: Trees to deal 30d6 fall damage + 10d6 large object damage. Also Alchemic bombing runs while Wagner plays in the background.

Human Psychic Armory / Eldritch Archer. Ranged Spellstrikes with his Panoply. Capable of enhancing his weapons to become +10 due to complimentary class features. Very MAD. Need to find a fix.

>>44436439
>should I still be using Scarlet Einhander at level 5,

Scarlet Einhander improves with level, anon.

That, and a Scarlet Einhander on a rapier is effectively a greatsword with more crits.

Grab Scarlet Throne Style, pray the DM thinks that includes 1.5x Strength, and be the one-handed badass you've always wanted to be.

>>44436548
Oh, right, thanks, I didn't notice that bit.

I was looking at Scarlet Style. What feats does that apply to? I'm using dex if it matters. Only thing I can think of is power attack/piranha strike.

>>44436572
>What feats does that apply to?

Every feat or class ability that assumes you're two-handing the weapon.

For example, a Zweihander Sentinel's Armament Shield will not work without Scarlet Throne Style, since it requires you to be two-handing the weapon.

>>44436548
Scarlet Throne Style does not include 1.5x strength.

>>44436639

That's why I said "pray the DM thinks that includes 1.5x Strength."

>>44436653
Don't encourage people to try and cheat. Especially not with DSP material. We've had to fight long and hard to get the respect we have. Using our material to cheat ruins that trust.

>>44436698
Hey Elric, I asked Gareth but would like to ask you too. What would you want to see out of an AP that included DSP content?

>>44436698
I assume anon was joking. I wasn't going to try it anyway. Good idea on scarlet throne by the way, it's easily my favourite discipline thematically.

>>44436623
I'm playing a stalker. Can you think of any good examples besides power attack?

> Dat feels when your build only coming around at level 5, but every campaign you can find start at level 1.

>>44436721
I'm a simple man with simple tastes in a game. I like stabbing monsters and taking their stuff. So make the combats interesting and worthwhile.

>>44435556
This seems like a hilarious combo. I must do it.

Now i just have to decide between Arcane Duelist and Dervish Dancer

>>44436653
And will be explicitly noted as such in the final release.

>Scarlet Throne Style [Combat, Style]
>Your skill with a single blade allows you to strike with the same force as those much stronger than you.
>Prerequisites: Sense Motive 3 ranks, one Scarlet Throne stance known.
>Benefit: As long as you only attack with a single weapon wielded in one hand during a round, you treat that weapon as if you were wielding it in two hands for the purposes of feats and abilities that would benefit from this change. This does not increase your Strength bonus to damage with the weapon.

>>44436653
It's worth asking the DM to houserule it, but as >>44436698 said; it's not how the feat works.

>>44436726
There aren't many for a Stalker. I was going to say "disarms," but then I remembered that PF doesn't give bonuses on disarms for that like 3.5 did. I'd probably consider a different style feat to go for.

>>44436762
Sounds simple enough.

I always like interesting loot, especially interesting mundane loot. Finding a barrel of oil has always been more interesting then 15 gold pieces to me. I want to reward players for finding thing.

Also that sense of triumph after a difficult encounter.

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>>44436698
Of course Broken Blade renders a good majority of encounters fucked over, due to the fact that you transform any fucker with fist weapons into a Whirlwind raging, Pouncing
barbarian with a simple Bronze Knuckle + Steel Flurry Strike combo.

And people say that a moderately optimized cleric is overpowered. So piss off whenever you said that you wanted the PoW classes to be balanced to the Magus. A class that struggles to do half that damage, with crappier accuracy and with far weaker effects for them to choose from, at the same level that you can get the above effect (At level 5)

>>44436825

People don't say the moderately optimized cleric is overpowered for its combat damage, anon.

>>44436757

I still don't get why DMs think starting at level 1 is ever a good idea.

>>44436825
I mean... broken blade is being rebalanced. That is a thing that is happening if I recall.

>>44436825
Broken Blade (along with Primal Fury) are known issues and are being hit with the nerfbat errata for PoW 1 comes through.

>>44436809
>I always like interesting loot, especially interesting mundane loot.

I once had a player squeal like a little girl when I rewarded them with a barrel of gunpowder.

Yeah, for some players, getting the opportunity to blow stuff up is more worthwhile than gold. Reminds me of that scene with the joker in the Dark Knight movies.

>>44436805
What other style feats would you recommend? I was thinking about the Veiled Moon one.

>>44436876
I had a player act a similar way when I gave him an entire larder to raid and had a list of it's contents for him to see.

So if PoW getting errata, or a new book with the original disciplines reworked or what? Someone explain this to me, I only recently started following DSP stuff

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>>44436859
>Cleric is overpowered!!1111!!!!!

This meme needs to die. They are one of the most level appropriate classes in all stages.

>>44436869
>>44436872

Good stuff then. I do like the idea of weeaboo fightin' magics. The fact that I get a massive headache from Pouncing Barbarians and Archer Fighters is something of a tiffy with me.

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>>44436825
> Broken Blade

Anon, I'm gonna assume good faith here and let you know that we're /aware/ of the Broken Blade problems and it's literally at the very top of the list for things getting by the PoW errata. There were a lot of things that happened during the first book's playtest or, rather more pointedly, a lot of things that /did not happen/, like professional editing, feedback on discipline balance, and people pointing out the hilariously bad wording. These issues have been noticed since publishing and we're working on resolving them about as fast as we reasonably can.

I understand your frustration. That frustration doesn't mean my co-author doesn't have a point regarding our reputation and the fact that quite frankly we spin coin /solely upon it/.

The proposed errata will be released for testing (it'd suck to have to errata our errata) when we've got enough ready to be worth talking about.

I appreciate the feedback and interest, anon.

>>44436825
And we're working on fixing that, along with other known issues as has been stated many times. But there is a big, big difference between material we wrote that wasn't intended to be as powerful as it turned out and deliberately lying about material we wrote in order to eek out a few extra points of damage. One is a mistake that we acknowledge and are fixing and the other is cheating.

>>44436698

What are your thoughts, out of interest, of seeing Arcforge Mechs for non-psionic classes? Do you see it as intrinsically tied to being psionic or do you guys think you'll be doing non-psionic mech classes some time?

I'm asking mostly because I'm tinkering with some Alchemist homebrew (I like your semi-caster, semi-initiator Alchemist but I wanted to try something a bit more dedicated on the Initiation side) and one part of my tinkering was more Discoveries. Do you think it would unfluffy for an Alchemist Mech to be a possible discovery (Higher level and with prereqs to make it not just a 1 shot dip clearly)

Where do people even get the claim that PoW is Overpowered? They're still martial classes. They still from the same weaknesses as most martials.

They can't fly, they can't hit ethereal creatures, they have a hard time dealing with invisble creatures, as well as creatures with DR, concealment, they can't deal effectively with teleporters, well-prepped casters can still lock them down, etc.

>>44436940
Getting 1.5 STR is hardly even that great though. I mean, it's not particularly egregious of a cheat.

>>44431335
That's 22 class levels, Anon.

>>44436960
>What are your thoughts, out of interest, of seeing Arcforge Mechs for non-psionic classes?

Clunkier and less responsive. due to being operated with gears and levers than with mindpower.

>>44436964
Flight, ghost touch, see invisibility, and ignoring DR are all easily obtainable if you care to do so in PoW

>>44436988
>>44437005

They can't deal with ALL of them. Hence why PoW isn't that powerful as people claim since they still have weaknesses to address.

>>44436968
Cheating is still cheating anon, don't be a cunt.

>>44436964
>They can't fly, they can't hit ethereal creatures, they have a hard time dealing with invisble creatures, as well as creatures with DR, concealment, they can't deal effectively with teleporters, well-prepped casters can still lock them down, etc.

These are actually easily dealt with in PoW depending on how you build. Still doesn't mean they're overpowered, just more versatile.

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>>44436968
>>44436988

Why should it even be cheating? Why couldn't Scarlet Throne Style include the 1.5x Strength damage?

>Your skill with a single blade allows you to strike with the same force as those much stronger than you.

So this means I can use two-handed class abilities, +3 power attack... But adding that little bit about getting 1.5x from strength damage is too much? For most people, that's only going to be a +2 extra damage, or maybe +3/+4 at the higher levels.

Is it because you ripped that bit out of the Style feat so you can slap it onto a boring prestige class to make it slightly more interesting?

>>44436964
I'm saying that it's Overpowered in a particularly specific fashion. Much like Pouncing Barbarians and Archer fighters. Simply because they can render a good number of encounters trivialized, but they are so specialized that they have no hope of dealing with certain enemies by themselves. PoW on the hand does give you options. Including fly speed in one stance that you get at level 11th. If we are to take "Tiers" seriously, then PoW classes are generally fairly easy to optimize, and have a good deal of power in various situations.

>>44436960
I'm still waiting on the aegis one, coincidentally also on the (EX) aegis (possibly related reasons). Nanomachine artistry.

But first, there's (Melee Weapons, Ammunition) all over steelforge and it needs to be shot in the face more times than an innocent bystander near chicago policemen.

>>44436895
Veiled Moon style is pretty good, especially for getting around complex battlefields (if your DM likes to throw those at you like mine does). On stalkers, I also like dipping into Sleeping Goddess to get its style feat. Two feats for move action recovery of a single maneuver can be quite useful, since Stalkers' normal recovery isn't the best choice of actions in most fights.

>>44437052
Nanomachines son.

>>44437042
>Why should it even be cheating?
Because the ability doesn't say you get that?

>Why couldn't Scarlet Throne Style include the 1.5x Strength damage?
I mean it could, but it doesn't.

>So this means I can use two-handed class abilities, +3 power attack... But adding that little bit about getting 1.5x from strength damage is too much? For most people, that's only going to be a +2 extra damage, or maybe +3/+4 at the higher levels.

I mean I'm not arguing it'd be overpowered m8, it just... you know.. isn't there.

>>44436865
I've personally DM'd six Pathfinder campaigns, and I ALWAYS start at level three

>>44437046

To be fair, if the fucking Druid can pounce while being backed up by a small army of things that also pounce, the very least they can do is give the class that's supposed to be the best at melee combat the best melee combat ability.

More ideally, however, would be something like what 5e does, where martial classes don't get as many attacks (except the fighter) but can fucking MOVE while they fight and don't take penalties on their extra attack.

Stand still or suck is one of the reasons I got sick of playing non-casters in PF.

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>>44436960
That's entirely Ssalarn, and we're still experiencing radio silence from his end.

In other news...

This is the belated and official announcement formalizing a relationship we've already had. You see, anon, I am now your waifu as we try to get a handle on our internal and external communication, DSP's been tasking folks with being the eyes and ears on the communities that offer us feedback.

I'm yours. The Official Liason. It comes with a shiny hat to put next to Quality Assurance Guy, Official Whip, and Involuntary Monster Writer hats. I have no idea how the fuck I keep collecting these things.

Doesn't mean anything new; essentially, my job is, as it has been, to keep an eye on the threads and pass feedback to the appropriate parties, and attempt to improve communications between us and you so data gets to and from us in a timely and helpful fashion.

Look forward to workin' with ya, anons.

>>44437052
>>44436985

Yeah, my (For now, just in Alpha) version of it is:

Alchemical Armour
Prereqs: Promethean Disciple, Alchemist 8
Benefit: You gain access to a bonded mech as a pilot of your character level. If you later gain a mech through another source, the effective pilot level granted by this discovery stacks with that granted by other sources, up to your total character level.

So you need to be well up there in levels AND already have taken the 'I can craft constructs' Discovery.

Making it an extrapolation of golems and such

It, along with my other stuff is near the top of the thread but as I said: In Alpha. Some parts are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

>>44437093

So the Style feat that gives you two-handed benefits on a one handed weapon doesn't include 1.5x strength for "reasons?"

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>>44437118
>Thinking that someone being good at combat, and little more than that makes for interesting Rolepaying, and is perfectly viable in a tabletop game. And isn't at all boring and broken as fuck.

Sup /pfg/, I'm gonna be running a game for my group after only having DMd 5e before. Anything I need to particularly be aware of? Party will be a merfolk air/water kineticist, halfling cavalier/paladin riding a dog, and a aasimar oracle using the racial archetype, starting at lv12.

I'm planning on mindflayers featuring prominently, so any advice on cool monsters and stuff I can tie in with that would be appreciated too

>>44437156

I'm not the one who designed half the classes in this game to have nothing going for them BUT combat, anon.

>>44437121
>You see, anon, I am now your waifu

Oh boy Gareth, you just opened yourself up to the truest horrors 4chan has to offer.

>>44437186
You play monsters as if they were hit by the retard bat, and then sigh as the only competent person in the group is a mediocre cleric knock-off.

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>>44437196
Witness me!

>>44437186

>I'm planning on mindflayers featuring prominently

...Well, that's probably a good place to start with things to be aware of, unless Paizo somehow got permission to include them and I never noticed.

>>44437186
>starting at 12

jesus

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>>44437196

Don't worry anon, I doubt anyone would want a slut for their waifu.

>>44437042
It's because they already have to deal with the numbskulls that think dex makes str obsolete because of Deadly Agility, and they don't want to deal with more numbskulls saying this feat makes two handed weapons obsolete.

>>44437123
That's a bit much.

Psychic Warrior exchanges 3 manifesting levels and the entire path system for a mech.

Circuitbreaker doesn't even GET a mech, but will be one feat away from one at -4 early enough. The feats they get are in exchange for Altered Defense, Evasion, Rapid Defense and Enduring Defense.

The feat chain: Technologist >> Psicrystal Affinity >> Psi-Core >> Mech Pilot
Gives you a mech at -4 (which is what the circuitbreaker can do).

You're giving a full level mech for a single discovery, at your CHARACTER level rather than class level no less.

>>44437222
No good statblocks online for them? I can always make one but I don't have a good feel for pathfinder yet so I'd like to avoid it if I can

>>44437123
I wouldn't say "Promethean Disciple", just "Craft Construct". Way less restrictive and it opens it up to Construct Rider as well for some sweet sweet Zoids action.

>>44437042
>>44437337
We can fix this by replacing all rolls in Pathfinder with a d20+4 roll against a DC of 15. Success means you win.

>>44437372

Don't believe so, no. Paizo doesn't have the rights to Mindflayers or Beholders, iirc.

You might be able to port them from 3.5, but I really don't know how different that math is.

You should also be aware that PF is a much higher-powered game than 5e in many ways and magic items are an essential element of character building rather than something to add on.

If I'm making a monk of the silver hand with sneak attack what tradition should I join and which discipline should I get rid of? The disciplines the monk comes with are Iron Tortoise, Mithril Current, and Eternal Guardian

>>44437337
>and they don't want to deal with more numbskulls saying this feat makes two handed weapons obsolete.

>We didn't include [thing] because people might complain

Hasn't DSP come into this thread to act all tough how they knew people would complain about Deadly Agility, and they added it in anyway?

This is all forgetting the fact 1.5x to strength for one handed weapons does exist, for the Landsknecht, a one-handed class that doesn't even require Scarlet Throne Style to be a feat.

>>44437339

Point taken.

As I said: Alpha.

Mind you, Psychic Warrior also gets a heap of nasty extra tricks too with those boosts but thanks a lot for the constructive criticism.

I'll definitely step it down, though how much is going to be interesting to work out.

How's this sound:

>Discovery to get Psi-Crystal (Like a Tumor Familiar but a fun little crystal) + Promethean Disciple

As prerequisites for the mech discovery (that works like the feat)

So it becomes 3 discoveries rather than 4 feats (I barely count Technologist as a REAL feat. It's an annoying gate)

>>44437421
... Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
But Then Who Was Phone?
What are you even talking about?

How good is Riven Hourglass as a discipline?

>>44437695
He's making a joke at 5e's expense.

>>44437155
>for "reasons"

What the fuck kind of reasoning is that. You could say that literally any feat doesn't have a certain benefit for no reason.

>>44437723
Too good

Is anon making the super-bestiary still chugging along?
I want my mythic monsters.

>>44437723
Good enough that they're nerfing it slightly, and I think it'll probably still be really fucking good because most of its strongest stuff is utility.

>>44437724

I've actually liked bounded accuracy in my experiences with 5e. There's a lot less "you must be at least this strong and have this many combat boosters to stand a ghost of a chance in this fight" and a large group of lower-class monsters can still be a threat rather than "The GM is transparently wasting our time in hopes of eating up some spell slots."

>>44437755
How come?

>>44437731
>What the fuck kind of reasoning is that.

Scarlet Throne Style is a feat built entirely around letting a character use a longsword in one hand, nothing in the other, and still function as though they're two-handing.

And yet, for some reason, the 1.5x to strength damage, a staple of two-handing and one of the more direct benefits you get from it, was not included.

Instead, it was included as the first level ability of a prestige class built around one-handing a weapon, and the prestige class doesn't even require you to have Scarlet Throne Style.

>>44437805
I mean, it makes sense you don't make 2 handed weapons obsolete as a feat. Putting it as a class feature is far more reasonable.

You're not making sense man, what they did makes sense from a balance perspective.

>>44437780

I do as well. I think that bounded accuracy has some issues, but they're mostly ones of tone. A game with bounded accuracy has a different feel than a game with PF's scaling, and that's a good thing. Different games can be different things.

Ok friends

So i'm playing Gestalt a gestalt game.

Is it worth it for my Bard/Paladin to go for a finesse build rather than a str build? Cause with a Str build unless i go Arcane Duelist (which i don't particularly love), my AC is gonna be like 15-16ish (level 3), but i guess i'm somewhat tanky regardless cause if needed i can swift action heal myself?

struggling.

>>44437220
Hey Gareth (and Elric, if you're still watching), can I ask you something for clarity's sake?

Armored Blade archetype for soulknife...the mind armor and mind blade have separate enhancement "pools," right? You don't have to split the listed total enhancement bonus between both things, right?

Or do you top out at +7's worth of enhancement bonuses and special abilities spread between mind blade and mind armor?

>>44437842
Depends. Are you willing to consider investing in archery, are there any other front line fighters, and is 3pp available?

>>44437823
>You're not making sense man

How does the ability to wield a longsword in one hand and treat it as being two-handed make 2-handed weapons obsolete? You're still dealing 1d8 damage when a greatsword does 2d6. The feat is almost entirely flavor, with the only real benefit going towards allowing you to use Scarlet Einhander effectively.

>>44437886
if i was going archery i'd just dex anyways lel

Its gonna be a two person party so ranged combat is iffy anyways. Thats the whole reason we're going gestalt.

paizo only i WISH i could use 3pp

>>44437895
>How does the ability to wield a longsword in one hand and treat it as being two-handed make 2-handed weapons obsolete?

Because if you think that the difference between 1d8 and 2d6 is more important than the fact that you can use an off hand then you're a moron.

>>44437937
>is more important than the fact that you can use an off hand then you're a moron.

>When wielding your weapon in one hand and not two weapon fighting, your weapon is treated as being wielded with two hands for feats and abilities which would benefit from this change. While in this style you cannot make attacks with your off hand or anything held in your off hand.

Where does it say you can use an off-hand?

>>44438005
Well, and shields, I guess, if you want to get the AC bonus and/or special abilities.

>>44438005
You can't hold anything, bucklets can be strapped to that arm because you aren't holding that. 6 AC and shield enchantments are very strong.

>>44438027
Forrest gave us the updated wording on the feat:

>Benefit: As long as you only attack with a single weapon wielded in one hand during a round, you treat that weapon as if you were wielding it in two hands for the purposes of feats and abilities that would benefit from this change. This does not increase your Strength bonus to damage with the weapon.

You can just hold a normal shield.

>>44438022
>>44438027

For Zweihander Sentinels (the class I imagine will be using this feat the most), shields become useless after level 9 since your Aegis is at +3 and shield bonuses don't stack.

>>44438050
Then yeah, if it also gave 1.5x damage then there would be no reason to use two handed weapons, ever.

>>44438064
Your shield bonus from your shield will be higher at +7 (still not stacking but what ever, it'll be higher). Plus shield special abilities when you enchant it.

>>44438064
Special abilities are a thing, and fairly good.

A +1 shield will overlap with Aegis +3. Then any other spare cash can get you extra stuff.

How do I justify not being able to teleport with Veiled Moon Style out of combat? It seems like a hard thing to explain in character.

Also, I can use boosts like Ghostwalk out of combat, just taking a minute to rest after, right?

>>44438117

>style
Ask Paizo. The style feats not working out of combat is fucking stupid. DSP, can you make Fuse Styles let the style stay up as long as the stance does?

>boosts
Yep. It's some nice utility.

>>44438098

Yeah, if you're willing to spend 25k for a temporary (level-wise) +2/+3 to your AC.

>>44438106

I thought it was confirmed shield bonuses *don't* overlap, where the +3 from a +1 Shield won't add with your +3 Aegis to make +6.

>>44438073

Why are you implying two-handers would be made useless by the inclusion of +2/+3 extra damage to a feat that allows you to use a strictly inferior weapon?

>>44437911
I'd say just go STR, then, personally.

>>44437880
I'm hilariously AFB right now. Like, book-in-another-state AFB. Mind quoting the ability in question so I can give you a quick parse on the RAW?

>>44437755
>>44437723
>>44437764
It's actually more of a mix than that.

Much of it is crap. Standard action to "save or slowed" when you could've just ended the target instead, or "get a melee attack and only ever a melee attack with a swift action" which is good early but kinda shitty later. It repeats itself a lot in many ways.

But there's some true gems in there.
>Strike the Hourglass
Is basically exactly a stagger, except not actually a stagger, so it's a standard action to ACTUALLY stagger a target, rather than everyone and their mother being immune to it and/or getting a dirt-easy save they can't possibly fail. Now THAT is an alternative to full attacking. THAT is a utility strike.
They're probably turning that into some piece of worthless shit with a save that will never work on anyone, though.

>Time Skitter
We all love getting haste. Everyone gets it in their builds somehow, and Riven Hourglass is the initiator way. Of COURSE you get this. What kind of fucking moron doesn't get Haste? Get Haste. If you have Riven Hourglass, Time Skitter may as well be how you do it. Still: it's just haste, everyone gets it somehow.

>Temporal Body Adjustment
You get to NOPE a single status. Someone diseases you? Nope. STUN! Nope. Curse? Nope. It's one nope, but holy fuck is this good to have. It won't keep you from being turned into a bleeding mess, but it will save your life.

>Time Thief whatever
I forget. It heals you decently and does a decent amount of extra damage, so it's pretty good.

And finally we get to the true power of Riven Hourglass; Level 8 and 9 when it FINALLY comes into its own.

God of the Hourglass, Time Lord, and the level 9 ability.

An extra standard per turn as a stance? FUCK. YES. PLEASE. Of course if they make that go away what was the fucking point of the fucking discipline?

One standard chance not to be fucked up the ass by Time Stop? A fucking Revive/Heal Counter? MYTURN: THE INTERRUPT? BADASS.

>>44438163
"Overlap" generally means they don't stack in rpg parlance, from what I was aware.

The +3 AC from the +1 shield is equal to the +3 Aegis. Only one applies, but your +3 aegis stops being useful the moment a +2 shield comes into play.

>>44438223

So it's a discipline with some decent but not AMAZING strikes, some absolutely amazing gems in it, and some high-level abilities that are actually worth using?

Sounds fairly balanced to me, desu. You say "crap" but I'm happy with something having good but not great stuff in one area, and amazing stuff in another area.

>>44438163
>Why are you implying two-handers would be made useless by the inclusion of +2/+3 extra damage to a feat that allows you to use a strictly inferior weapon?
I'm saying a feat that gives me all the benefits of a 2 handed weapon while ALSO letting me use a shield is overpowered. Plus the fact the best weapon crit range/multiplier is a one handed weapon even more reason.

Hey /pfg/ I was watching Log Horizon the other day and I made a feat, tell me what you think:

Guardians Howl
Prerequisites: Defensive Focus, BAB +11
Benefits: While using Defensive Focus to recover maneuvers as a full round action attacks against allies inside your threatened area provoke Attacks of Opportunity. This also works against ranged attacks if both the ally and the enemy are inside the threatened area.

>>44438268
What, you're not gonna call it Anchor Howl? That's a /much/ more fun name.

>>44438223
tldr: DSP: IF YOU'RE LISTENING:

The strongest parts of Riven Hourgalss, if they absolutely must be nerfed, should get it in the form of "once per combat", as opposed to being made useless.

And the "no save, no immunity" strikes are really good utility. Because level 1 strikes that offer saves are basically useless by level 3.

>>44436639
Which is dumb, and gets houseruled, because that's dumb.

>>44438216
I feel ya, I just finished driving 8 states to home after family holiday stuff.

Link: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/soulknife/archetypes/dreamscarred-press/armored-blade

Text:
>The armored blade's mind armor and mind blade are improved like a standard soulknife's mind blade, including if the armored blade creates two mind blades, except the enhancement bonus increases at a reduced rate, rather than every odd level, as indicated on Table: Mind Armament Progression. The enhancement bonus for mind armor is unaffected if the armored blade shapes two mind blades. The armored blade can select armor special abilities from the Table: Mind Armament Abilities.

>This replaces the Enhanced Mind Blade class feature, but counts as Enhanced Mind Blade for prerequisites or requirements.

>>44438288
They're listening (see >>44437121), but afaik they've already gotten Riven Hourglass to where they want it and sent the book into layout.

>>44438229
>but your +3 aegis stops being useful the moment a +2 shield comes into play.

Which is going to cost you 3k gold for +1 AC, and then 5k gold for +1 AC once Aegis catches up, and by the end of it you've spent tens of thousands of gold for a +2 shield bonus.

A shield bonus that is made utterly irrelevant by Scarlet Einhander, which requires the wielder to have nothing (shields included) in their off-hand and provides a shield bonus that scales with the wielder.

>>44438258
oh absolutely.
it's more a mention of some "meh", some "not worth it" and some gems, as opposed to all the people saying "IT'S OP, PLZ NERF".

The lesser abilities, it would be great if they were all worth takin instead, but we DO have access to at least 3+ disciplines with any initiator type or archetype.