Shock Batons of the First Order

>>44405417
>two-handed

you dun goofed, m8

if TR8R had tried spinning, which is a good trick, would he have beaten Finn?

>>44405436
The weapon was spinning- was it as good as a trick as having the wielder spin?

>>44405436
He was going to beat Finn like the minority he is until Han saved the traitors life.

>>44405444

Spinning is a good trick but the high ground is far more important.

While TR-8R had the high ground, Han Solo was wielding a bowcaster, a weapon associated with Wookies, who have the high ground against humans. Normally humans cannot wield a wookie's bowcaster, but Chewbacca is a good friend. This is why TR-8R won against Finn but lost to Han.

>>44405444
TR8R was obviously the chosen one, of course he would have won. Of course, the power of multiculturalism defeated him because he's white. Get with the times, it is the current year.

>>4405491
Tell me about Chewbacca, is he a big guy? Who paid him to arm Han Solo?

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>>44405496
It was merely a set back, we all know that TR8R is still alive and will be back in second film with dual shock baton

Well don't disclude TR-8R had a bad feeling about this, but he charged and defeated the TRAITOR anyway, he is the true hero in all of this.

>>44405491

Not to mention the fact that Han shot first, before TR-8R could ready himself.

Which brings us to another point. Han's ability to shoot first allowed him to get some cheap wins by catching his opponent off guard. In EsB, when in Cloud City, Han attempts to shoot Vader first, but Vader blocks the shot with his bare hands.

Is it because Han lost the moral high ground by shooting first, thus confirming the power of the high ground?

>>44405611
By Jove, I think you're on to something old chap.

>>44405611
Nah, Vader was just a superior villain and neu sith lite will never be as strong as Darth Vader.

>>44405668
But when General Grievous had the high ground Obi-Wan won

>>44405688
While Grievous had the high ground, and was a master of spinning, Obi-Wan shot first.

>>44405611

It's because Vader was standing some feet away from Han, which due to distance made Han appear smaller than he actually is. Vader had the high ground in that situation.

It's why Vader was so eager to get Luke into the carbonite pit; the only way Vader can remove Luke's moral high ground is freeze him into a horizontal slab of carbonite, which is naturally on the low ground.

>>44405710

Obi-Wan had the high ground from a certain point of view, but he was also using a brutish laser rifle, which are cowardly weapons by nature and allow low ground advantage over high ground opponents.

>>44405688
Maul ALSO had the high ground against Obi-Wan, but that didn't mean anything there.

Obi-wan must have character specced for low-ground advantage.

>>44405751
It's quite simple. Obi-Wan's ability of having a Certain Point of View allows him to mentally reverse the high and low ground, thus granting him the advantage. He utilizes this in his fight against Anakin. When Anakin attempts spinning in order to gain the high ground, Obi-Wan maintains his High Ground advantage and defeats him.

>>44405688
Grievous never had the high ground.

Obi-wan had the high ground. From a certain point of view,

>>44405417
>>44405444
>>44405491
All these dank memes.

If Obi-Wan is unstoppable on the high ground, why did he fall when Sheev initiated Order 66?

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>>44405798
Because the troopers shot first, so he couldn't utilise the High ground properly.
Also, the Troopers thought they had the moral high ground from a certain point of view

>>44405798
Because humanity fuck yeah

>>44405773
>>Obi-wan had the high ground. From a certain point of view,

But at that point Obi-Wan has become so uncivilized that he shot first!

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>>44405417
Do not mistake him for being a conjurer of cheap spins.

>>44405843
A more elegant weapon for a more Civilized Time? Well, times have changed.

>>44405417
>(that's about $2)
I shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did.

>>44405843

And Cody acquired Obi-Wan's elegant weapon from a more civilized age.

Lightsabers are a Jedi's life, which means Obi's life was in Cody's hands, which gave him the moral high ground to shoot a good friend when Sheev ordered the fight plan.

>>44405843
But from a certain point of view, shooting first is the morally correct thing to do, thus giving him the high ground.

>>44405745

Anyone remember the thread where people theorized how Force manifests with different powers for different people, and Obi-Wan's was that he always has the high ground?

>>44405903
No, but please, tell me more.

>>44405903
Didn't Mace Windu have an ability called Shatterpoint and he could find weaknesses in everything

>>44405971
Yes. Incidentally, Sheev's was his trust in Anikin.

>>44406060
>Anikin
Clearly this must be the true name of Darth Plagueis

I knew this shitty meme was going to blow up all over the place.

Fucker wasn't even that good, seeing as he was beating up a guy who had literally never used a lightsaber in his life.

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>>44406117
There's probably some clone out there called Anikin that has a 50 page article on Wookiepedia.

>>44405922
I would if I remembered.

>>44406117
Or autocorrect being dumb. Still I though that the guy who wrote the novelization of episode 3 did a good job with what he had to work with. Probably helps that standing and talking works much better in a book, and you can imagine semi-compitent actors for Anaken and Padme.

>>44406192
Pity the prose was so purple that it started smoking on the water.

>>44405903
Well, it's not really that he always has the high ground, but rather that he has the ability to look at things from a certain point of view.

Obi-Wan's ability to look at things from a certain point of view allows him to put himself on the high ground, securing him victory over many opponents. Consider that he managed to completely reverse the Maul and Grievous duels from the low ground, by using his ability to make his position the high ground, from a certain point of view.

That said, the power of spinning is extremely potent; the rapid changes in perspective granted by spinning means that establishing the high ground is difficult. Spinning works because you strike when you have the high ground, and failed spin attacks occur because of mistiming causing the strike to be from the low ground.

As a master practitioner of spinning, Anakin/Vader was nearly unstoppable both in space and on the ground, but Obi-Wan's greater understanding of the high ground advantage and his use of a certain point of view gave him an advantage in the Mustafar duel, allowing him to counter Anakin's spinning and strike him down.

Anakin learnt from his mistakes and in ANH, Vader refused to spin against Obi-Wan and fought him on a flat, level surface in a fair duel. Because of this, as well as his advancing age, Obi-Wan could not use a certain point of view to maintain the high ground advantage for long, so instead he goaded Vader into striking him down after he had basically given up and surrendered.

Attacking a defenceless person is something only the lowest of the low would do and in doing so, Vader lost the moral high ground. By accepting his death, Obi-Wan obtained the moral high ground and became more powerful than Vader could possibly imagine, ascending to another plane of existence as a Force ghost, but became unable to interact with the physical plane in ways other than communication.

>>44406212
I think he made some edits for the more egregious crap, though its admittedly been years.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
Traitor

>>44406179
Turns out that this "Anikin" fellow is not canon according to Disney, and that in the comics he was the cause for the Vong's invasion.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

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>>44405417
A first class revival of an old meme. Well done.

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>>44405855
TRAITOR!

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRATTORIA

I bet TR-8R was actually hungry.

>>44405855
TRATOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405417
>high ground
>spinning
>certain point of view
>barbarism

Are we going to stat the interactions between these memes?

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405417
>the finest blades
>thrice as sharp
>a shock baton can cut through
>bisect a Mandalorian
>vertical slash.
>Shock batons are simply the best sword
>cutting power of Shock Batons
I have something to tell you, Anon...

>>44407922
I hope you know that this is pasta, and merely think that he should have changed the bits about cutting.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44407922
>He doesn't recognize a classic pasta
newfag

>>44408018
>>44408028
Katana. I find your lack of faith disturbing. He should have changed those bits as well.

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>>44407922
>you share a board with these traitors

>>44405855
BETRAYER

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44406192
Natalie Portman is good, the character was just terrible

>>44405611
Isn't doing somthing first a sort of chronological high ground?

>>44405855
TRAITOR

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>>44405496
> black people didn't exist in starwars until episode 7

>>44408547
bustin...

>>44408284
Portman is only good at being retarded or dry.

>>44406161
Well he's better than Captain-in-the-trash, I guess.

>>44408767
Watch Leon, the Professional. She makes that kid hot af

>>44409076
That's one thing she was somewhat good at. She could cry as a child because that's what children do. Now if she's crying it just looks stupid.

>>44405855
TRAITOR!

>>44406161
Watch it again.
TR-8R utterly dominated that fight.

Good compared to a jedi, maybe not, but he beat the everliving shit out of Finn.

>>44406161
Its not that he beat FIn but he beat a main character in Star Wars as a fucking mook. Not just anyone can overcome Plotarmour of that magnitude.

>>44406117

Traitor please, it's clearly Snoke.

>>44405855
Sleep tight, TR-8R.

>>44405855
That guy was the only good thing in this entire movie.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

This is the most meme-dense thread on /tg/ right now.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44412360
I dunno, the Stormtroopers deciding to fuck off when Nu-Vader was throwing a hissy fit were pretty funny.

>>44412360
poe baby was alright

I have a feeling he was part of a much better story after crashing on not-tatooine.

>>44412684
Yeah.
Unfortunately the movie focused on the other one.

Stats for TR-8R

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/24742/tr-8r--hero-of-the-first-order

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44412360
>>44412662
Stormtroopers in general were the best parts of the movie.

>>44405855

TRAITOR

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>>44406117

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
traitor

>>44405855
Goddamn I hate this kind of posts but I really need those movies to be any good if I don't want to lose more Sanity points so...
TRAITOR

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>>44405611
this post

>>44405855
TRAITOR!

>>44408797
What a let down for a figure with so much merch.

It's like she is Boba Fett or something.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR!

>>44412684
poe's story involved an awful lot more suckin' dick to get from point A to point B than our heroes' did

right call by JJ imo

>>44405417
excellent pasta matey

>>44405855
TRAITOR!!

>>44415296
>>44408797
I don't get this 'she is boba fett' meme.
Like, what the hell.
I do think her voice was way too sexy for the part she played in the movie. But why is 'she has unique armor' supposed to be 'boba fett pt 2'?
Like, by that logic, shouldn't ace fighter pilot guy be C3P0 part two, because he has an astromech buddy at the start of the movie?

>>44406229
>but became unable to interact with the physical plane in ways other than communication.
That's it!
Gentlemen.
We finally have a solution to RAM and harddisk limitations.

What if I told you... you could have more memory and drivespace than you do now... with zero heat or weight..?

>>44416842
I knew nothing about the characters going into the film, and she was still garbage. Couldn't really explain why Fett seemed so much more competent with less dialog, but she was just worthless.

I was expecting at least some "I'll die before betraying my order" what with all the brainwashing.

>>44417108
If she's in the next movies I'll shit myself laughing. Locked in a dumpster while the planet explodes, but gotta save the marketable silver lady

>>44415296
>>44416842
>>44417108

I've heard she goes turncoat and becomes a good friend in the next movie.

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>>44417382

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

On a side note, I was listening to this song when I saw your image. It terrifies me to realize that he was swinging the baton to this song's tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aB6CPyO0Ww

>>44412982
It's kind of a shame we didn't see more scenes like the one where Finn went to his dying implied friend's side at the beginning of the movie. In fact I find it strange that they never even bring up or make any mention of this throughout the rest of the movie.

>>44412662
I agree, this was my favourite part of the movie by far.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405436
He did spin and he did beat Finn.

>>44405491
>who have the high ground against humans.
No, its because you have to let the Wookie win.

>>44412360
I think Finn was pretty good, and Han and Chewie were great of course. I'm hopeful for 8, because we get less JJ, more Luke, and hopefully something new instead of a complete fucking rehash of 4.

>>44418217
>and hopefully something new instead of a complete fucking rehash of 4.

Anon, that's all JJ does and you know it.

>>44405903
Here's the /tg/ one:

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43411095

>>44418300
True, but he's only executive producer next time so there's hope.

>>44417676
A book, a children's book mind you, expanded on that. Guy's name was Slip. Finn was always looking out for him.

>>44405417
>solid steel
>not solid durasteel

>>44412662
I love that scene.

Throughout the movie you have dumb shit like a stolen tie fighter managing to blow up the control room as its running away, and a bleeding to death guy and barely dressed girl fighting each other while the planet literally freezes. But the stormtroopers acting like reasonable human beings and lolnoping out was a really good change of pace.

>>44418947
>you have dumb shit like a stolen tie fighter managing to blow up the control room as its running away

I thought the TIE taking out a Star Destroyer's turbolasers was more unbelievable.

>>44418217
Finn was a gigantic action movie ham. Han had so many cheesy lines. If Chewie had actual lines, I'm sure they'd be just as cheesy.

>>44417286
Bitches got out of the Death Star trash compactor in episode 4, so why couldn't she?

>>44418217
>>44419103
Finn was one of the better characters, but I think his character progression from coward who doesn't want to fight for the First Order, to Rebel action hero was too sudden.

Mainly I thought it was odd at how quickly and effectively he started killing the people he used to work with for several years. I mean, while he did hate the First Order I find it strange he apparently had no attachment to any of his fellow Stormtroopers. You'd think he'd make more than one buddy among them during his time as a Stromtrooper.

>>44419244

Everything about the movie was sudden.

Why should we care about Starkiller Base? It's 10x the size of the Death Star with 1/10th of the tension.

>>44419272
Well it did blow up a few planets and in the process destroy the largest fleet opposed to the First Order, which in turn removed the possibility for any cool larger scale spaceship fights. So it kind of had that going against it.

>>44407195
>MisreadtheCR.webm

>>44419325

Yeah but we hardly got any sort of build-up for Starkiller Base, it just sort of showed up, shot its thing, and got destroyed.

>>44419393
Just like the Death Star.

>>44419420
And the Death Star II.

>>44419420
>>44419431

The Death Stars got plenty of build-up, though. They were introduced early and shown as the obstacle the heroes will have to surmount when they're strong enough.

Starkiller was just sort of... There, it was never hyped up as an unstoppable battle station, the weakness was displayed immediately and the assault on it went on almost without a hitch.

>>44419481
WITH THIS BATTLESTATION WE WILL STOP THE REPUBLIC FROM MEDDLING WITH US FOREVER! CHARGE THE WEAPON!
>Targetting Corruscant, sir!
WHAT, NO, WE WILL CAUSE A LESSON THAT WILL ECHO THROUGH HISTORY. SHOOT THOSE GUYS THE NEXT SYSTEM OVER FROM US!

>>44417676
Yeah, and dude becomes a coldblooded killer like two days later.

I would have loved the idea of a guy raised in a warrior culture who pledges a life of nonviolence, even when swept up into a galactic war.

>>44419570

But anon, the Hosnian System is the capital of the New Republic!

Also the Republic fleets were destroyed slightly off-screen, so just take our word for it when their naval power was annihilated.

For real though, I heard Coruscant is still in Imperial hands. The Empire didn't just go away, they made peace with the New Republic, the New Order in this case being extremists that refused to recognize the treaty.

>>44419658
I thought they just relocated to the Hosnian system for reasons.

>>44418983
>I thought the TIE taking out a Star Destroyer's turbolasers was more unbelievable.
I'm more astounded by security cameras not existing. Half of what the heroes did wouldn't have been possible if the empire-remnant had security cameras in logical places, such as facilities that house their only chance at winning the war.

>mind-controlled guard to let her out
>uh hey look she's escaping, but we can literally see where she is going
>ok now she's surrounded by troopers

>hey let's sneak through the base
>hey look, an asshole in a rebellion jacket is running through the base with a wookie and a known rebel
>they're shooting people, tampering with door controls, and not responding to calls for identification
>ok now they're hounded at every turn by mobs of incompetent troopers

>yay we got the mean boss-lady to turn off the shields, then left
>wtf, why are the shields down? Why isn't there anyone in that room? Let's send someone to the room and turn the shields back on
>ok now the whole plan fails because the shield came back on

Security cameras clearly aren't beyond them. They have extremely-intelligent autonomous droids that rely on sophisticated processing of real-time visual input. If it was a question of manpower, they could have easily made the cameras watch themselves and tell people when something suspicious comes up.


Not to mention trackers or other basic safeguards.
>hey look a fighter is escaping and somehow confounded our defenses. Where'd it go?
>good thing we put trackers on our own goddamn spacecraft
>wow we know precisely where it is because we aren't retarded

>>44412684
He's a deep-cover double agent for the First Order, answering only to Generic CG Not-Palpatine..

>>44419639
I wouldn't go so far as non-violence. But certainly reluctance to actually kill the people he spent most of his life training and living with. More of a case where he hates the First Order, but he still empathizes with the common soldiers he grew up with.

>>44419704
Eh, it's completely possible that when they shut down the shields, they also sabotaged the controls so that the shields couldn't be easily reactivated without repairing the console first.

>>44419701

Good thing they explained none of this to us and assumed we knew about it.

>>44419704

What I want to know is why Captain Phasma was willing to turn off the shields when she's supposed to be a loyal captain of the First Order, and fully realizes that turning off the shields opens their base up for attack.

>>44419780
>What I want to know is why Captain Phasma was willing to turn off the shields when she's supposed to be a loyal captain of the First Order, and fully realizes that turning off the shields opens their base up for attack.
It was at that point that I began to think she's not as loyal to the First Order as she lets off. Which might also mean Finn's psych evaluation with her actually turned up some issues she chose not to report. Of course this is all speculation, but it would make her more interesting/relevant.

>>44419780
I have a feeling it will be in some comic book coming soon. Just like fucking C3P0's red arm. I loved that little gem of dialogue.

>>44419780
I have a feeling the explanation will be "I meant for them to blow up that useless station! All according to plans... wheels within wheels..." from our new generic ugly overlord.

So how will they one-up the Star Killer in the next movie? By the third one I'm expecting some Gurren Lagann bullshit.

>>44419904

If JJ was running the show I'd say just look at Empire Strikes Back and scale everything up by 10x (because that makes it betterer than the original), but since he isn't it's kind of in the air.

I want Poe and Finn to finally announce their feelings and become an item, though.

>>44405855

TRAITOR

>>44405855
Traitoris Extremis

>>44419927
>>44419904
I just figured they looked around for random stuff in the series, found that there is a star killer idea in a vehicle compendium that was basically a smaller vehicle that would have shot bombs that induced a black hole in a star, and decided to redesign it to something that would be more threatening looking and less likely to get a squadron that took it out by just flying at it and laying the fire on. There was also a super star destroyer design in there, so maybe, after this setback, they might settle for a grandiose fleet instead with super vessels as the big guns of their battle fleet. Although I would certainly hope that they are pissed about the loss of a god damn planet super weapon. Or at least pleased that, despite the loss of the station, they can now more fully mold Ren into a more useful tool as he embraced the Dark Side even further. Or perhaps they will use Ren to show a Sith training facility where he was the first one useful for the field.

>>44407195

I love how he just tosses his shit to the ground.

>>44419927
>I want Poe and Finn to finally announce their feelings and become an item, though.
why
They were great
a relationship would wreck their dynamic though
bromance needs the b

>>44419927
They'll go inverse
suitcasenuke
It'll be something small and bizarrely practical for star wars

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>>44405855
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>>44405477
HE WAS NOT IN THE RIGHT MAN. That video showed that Fin was just protecting himself!

That Stormtrooper was a racist looking for trouble and abusing his authority

>>44419904
They could just rip off some EU superweapons. Like Galaxy Gun or Sun Crusher.

>>44419704
Literally the only place shown to have security cameras in the movies is the Jedi temple.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44417368
You mean she becomes a traitor ?

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>>44417286
With the help of droids who weren't being bothered by the planet exploding, who also didn't have to deal with a planet exploding right after hauling themselves out.

Plus, it stands to reason that the garbage chute is much bigger and longer than the Death Star's, meaning more time taken.

Her living through that would be absolutely ridiculous.

LIGHTSABERS CANT MELT BLAST DOORS

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44405417
It's not a Batton, it's a Tonfa.

>>44423173
Yeah, they dumped her into a garbage cute like an hour before the planet turned into a star and it's Star Wars. If a person didn't die on camera they aren't dead.

>>44422676
>Galaxy Gun
They already ripped that one off. They called it Starkiller Base.

>>44423173
>Her living through that would be absolutely ridiculous.
She's confirmed back for Episode 8, dude.

>>44418983
>I thought the TIE taking out a Star Destroyer's turbolasers was more unbelievable.
Well, if they're inside the shields/shields aren't up, I'd presume that the First Order wouldn't arm their primary starfighter with lasers that can't hurt capital ships, if they want these fighters to be able to hurt Republic Star Cruisers/Star Destroyers.
I believe Poe also mentioned that the TIE they stole was equipped with missiles? Funny that they didn't use those, since missiles are a starfighter's best method of seriously damaging capital ships.

>>44423254
Starkiller Base has more of Centerpoint Station about it than Galaxy Gun, I think. With some Star Forge in there.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44419780
It's because she's Rey's mother.

>>44405855

TRAITOR

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44422708
>Literally the only place shown to have security cameras in the movies is the Jedi temple.

Death Star had security cameras.

>>44419904

They won't.

This one had a Death Star because Disney thought that SW needs a Death Star.

Many people complain about Starkiller. They won't use another one.

Rogue One will have the original Death Star instead.

>>44422708
there were a bunch of cameras on the freighter full of shoggoths

>>44419244
My problem was that not only was it sudden, it had no weight.
They immediately established that Finn, like all stormtroopers, was a literal blank slate. Him not wanting to commit atrocities was basically just a fluke in the system.
If he had committed atrocities, then he could have said "you don't know the things I've DONE" which carries way more emotional weight than "you don't know the things I've SEEN". But he didn't, so his guilt over being a trooper is only by association. It's still pretty heavy shit to be sure, but it's not nearly as heavy as it could be.
>>44412360
The best line in the movie is when Hux and Ren are arguing about Finn. Hux asserts the effectiveness of his troopers.
>Ren: They're obviously effective at committing high treason.
That one line is full of so much petty venom, it's palpable.

>>44405417
I love how this guy had a tonfa AND a shield

>>44405491
Man that shit was the dumbest fanservice I've seen in a while.
I'm supposed to believe that in 40+ years Han has never used Chewbacca's bowcaster? That's the only way he could not have known it had such a knockback. All he really needed to say to make it not retarded was "wow, a lot better than the old one" and it would have been fine, this isn't the same one he'd been toting around for DECADES, this is just a new model

>>44406212
>Pity the prose was so purple that it started smoking on the water.
kek

>>44423266
Lasers, missiles/trops, and 'magnapulse' something, iirc.
Along with >disposable one-man fighter you have to wear a lifesupport suit in because it doesn't have its own life support
to >two man, shields, an array of weapons, and they intend to use it to leave the system, so it has a hyperdrive too

>>44407195
>Finn constantly has the shit beaten out of him
>constantly on the backfoot
>constantly knocked down
Meanwhile, in Rey's plotline...

>>44425315
Well it's been a while. They made upgrades.

>>44425346
What plotline?
my m8 was arguing she was a mary sue. TBF, she doesn't fuck up anything except the circuit breakers, iirc, and that turns out to be alright... but she's also completely irrelevant to the plot of the movie.

Like, replace her with Po and his astromech. And everything not only goes the same way, it goes BETTER without her. Sure, they skip the lightsaber and little bartender that could, but they wind up going straight to the rebellion base instead. Sure, she's some powerful force user who'll be important next time or whatever, but she doesn't DO anything this time other than follow the boys around.

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>hyperdrive small enough to fit in a backpack

>shield generator to match

it's like they really developed something new!

>>44425400
Upgrades that look just like normal ties with slightly different paint jobs.

>>44410786
Tusken Raiders beat the shit out of Luke.
A wild animal beat the shit out of Luke.

>>44425429
>mass effect
Yo what the fuck

>>44425415
Finn doesn't get off Jakku without Rey. Though maybe it would have been better to have him get captured by the First Order

>>44425429
Just another way they're shitting on canon as an excuse to make new toys.

Technology is meant to be stagnant in the star wars universe.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44425468
Poe got off jakku without rey. Finn could have as well.

The only reason they got off jakku was because the millennium plot contrivance was there with the keys still in it and the door wide open. How it hadn't been stolen weeks before is anyone's guess.

>>44415296
>It's like she is a woman or something.
FTFY.
Considering the size and value of her role, the only reason they hyped her up was because she was a woman and they could say they had multiple Strong Female Character.
I could count her lines on one hand.
>Po doesn't have the plans
>get your goddamned cover back on, devil dog *knifehands aggresively*
>FN2817 hasn't acted up before
>fine I'll lower the shields

>>44425520
The only reason they hyped her up was to sell a standard stormtrooper mold with a silver redeco and a cheap cloth cape.

It's marketing.

>>44425468
Nah, brah.
Finn finds Poe at the wreck. The walk back to the town like Finn did on his own, they grab Poe's droid. Poe recognizes the Falcon, they swipe that just like they did with Rey. Have some trouble keeping it going but get hijacked by Han the same way Rey/Finn did. There's no drama about the resistance base because Poe is with them. Han delivers them straight there; First Order doesn't get the location of the resistance base or the map.

She does literally nothing that can't be replaced by the astromech, assuming it's halfway as competent as R2-D2.

>>44425505
>Poe got off jakku without rey. Finn could have as well.
Except in the scene directly preceding it, they established that while defecting and helping Po escape was the right thing to do, Finn needed a pilot because he couldn't fly shit.

>>44425559
Right. So let him find Poe at the crash sight and they're fine.

>>44425553
>She does literally nothing that can't be replaced by the astromech,
and a pilot. Itty-bitty little error.

>>44425553
All they really had to do was make Po a woman, remove Rey and they'd have accomplished what they wanted with less clutter.

>>44425576
This. Or he goes into a cantina and finds a freighter, like you can do at any spaceport in the galaxy.

How does he get money? Bounty hunting/being a merc for a short while. It wouldn't be a rehash of a new hope though, so they had to axe that.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44425600
>make Po a woman
No. We fucking need Po in the movie because he embodies the 80s.

>>44425637
Give FemPo a headband and legwarmers
Doneso

>>44425600
All they really had to do was make Finn a woman, remove Rey and they'd have accomplished what they wanted with less clutter.

>>44425642
It could have been done.

>>44425659
>Finn
>Female
>A stormtrooper
>Female

>>44425692
I would say
>Captain Phasma
But there's no fucking way they'd ever make a bad guy mook female. Gotta be in a position of power.
>>44425659
All they really had to do was rerelease the theatrical cut of ANH and they'd have accomplished what they wanted with less clutter.

>>44405513
Would pay money to see.

>>44408547
>Mace Dindu

>>44425619

It's amazing how JJ was able to shamelessly rip from A New Hope and yet come out with a tasteless bowl of gray gruel.

The movie lacked any sort of weight, your emotions at the start of the movie were probably the same as they were at the end of the movie. Why should we give a fuck about Rey? Finn? Poe? All these characters felt more like talking plot conveniences than people, and the only person that showed a hint of depth was the Vader wannabe.

Seriously, I'm calling out the Plinkett Test on this one;

Describe the character without saying what she looks like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their profession or role in the movies was. Describe this character to your friends like they ain't never seen Star Wars.

>>44425704
>>44425692
>But there's no fucking way they'd ever make a bad guy mook female

There was a female Storm Trooper on Starkiller Base, though. I don't remember the exact shot, but Hux was given an update on the prisoner/attack situation and the Storm Trooper had a distinctly feminine voice.

There was also an ambiguously brown woman bridge officer and a couple white officers too.

In the next movie:

Rey will be training with Luke
The First Order will attack the Resistance's main base
Rey will realize she needs to cut training short to help them
First order will crush Resistance base, but important people will escape
The bad guy ruler will consider turning rey to dark side
There will be a dramatic reveal as to rey's origin and her relation to bad guy

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So, am I the only one convinced that the reason for the shock baton-trained troopers is in case of Kylo Ren throwing a fit and randomly breaking shit and killing troopers?

>>44425830
Where's the equivalent to the entire hoth segment? Or the part with the rest of the main characters hiding from the empire in the Falcon.

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>>44425795

To be fair, A New Hope was already a rehash of a much better movie, The Hidden Fortress, with the last third or so of the movie being a rehash of The Dam Busters.

>>44425830
Protip: the relation is cousins.

>>44425886
That crest does look familiar indeed.

>>44425886
Was that guy in Harikiri?

>>44425785
oh fuck off with the whole "empire did nuffin wrong" garbage. They rule via terror and just annihilated a peaceful planet.

>b-b-b-but muh death star staff

shut up. They're working on a military weapon system and are presumably enlisted. Your argument is like saying 007 is evil for blowing up that soviet base in Goldeneye because he also killed some scientists and a private with a mop.

>>44405855
Traitor

>>44425886
True, but ANH drawing from various movies and wrapping it up in sci-fi is still more imaginative. FA is only working with what previous star wars movies had, so it's anemic and dull.

>>44425795
He's a badguy who, when it came down to it, couldn't quite stomach being a badguy. For some reason he's totally okay with murdering his former m80s, but that's just how it goes, apparently. He's pragmatic enough to team up with a former enemy if he thinks that will help him bail from Team Badguy.
He's pretty hardy. Most of his skillset is "thug", but he clearly wishes he had some other things he could do. He's inexperienced and kind of novice in terms of living on his own/in the galaxy at large, without his original organization, but he did receive some training in life. (Mostly related to his previous muscle skillset.) He wants to run away and not be found, but his cowardice is relatively easily overcome when he has a good reason to do so.

>>44425952
>peaceful planet
>royalty was actively supporting and subverting the rule of the empire for decades

Rebel scum spotted

>>44425952
Starting a war for aggression, as the rebels did, is why people were hung at nuremberg.

Justice is decided by the victors.

>>44425920
Toshiro Mifune? Yes. Also Sanjuro and Ran and one other that's escaping me, the one with where one story is told from different perspectives.

>>44425986
>and wrapping it up in sci-fi is still more imaginative

That's subjective at best. Calling a sword a laser sword does not by itself make a work more creative.

>>44425795
A young person with a mysterious past. Has a knack for droids and piloting. Eventually leaves their desert home planet in search of something greater than themselves, with people they've only just met, but for some reason trust completely. Loses one of these people along the way, but proves to be a chosen one, capable of saving the day when all hope seems lost.

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>>44426109

>>44426091
Toshiro Mifune wasn't in Ran, I don't think.

>>44426023

Half of that was you describing his skills or the organization he works or worked for, though.

>>44425432
People do this all the time with real military equipment, with massive alteration in capability or even role occurring without significant external change. The only change that is hard to hand wave away with decades of time is the second seat. Which can easily enough be dealt by staying its not based on the original TIE Fighter, but the 2 seat TIE Trainer version, used to teach pilots how to fly one.

>>44426136

Yeah my bad. I was thinking of Rashomon, the movie i couldn't name.

>>44426091
Mifune wasn't in Ran.

Actually it was Tatsuya Nakadai in Harakiri and Ran. They look kind of similar to be honest.

>>44425795
She's frustrated and wants something more but is bound by obligations and the promise of her family returning to her.

She's had to live her life in harsh conditions without much help or support so has grown up self-reliant and multi-talented.

...

That's it.

You know what would have made her better? Had it be established that she loved stories about the Jedi and the Rebellion and stuff. That would give her much more impetus to go rollicking around because a droid turned up and also feed into the 'new generation inspired by the old' 'theme' that's weak as shit in the film. Also make her act as a good counterpoint to Darth Emo.

>>44426125
Han and Chewie didn't find them until they had already escaped the desert planet

>>44426179
This. Many Armies use equipment that dates back to the 50s and 60s that's been upgraded and renovated.

>>44425432
Tech gets easier to make smaller with every advance. The X Wing showed there was already small fighter ship tech out there, and I think Vader actually had a prototype of this as his personal TIE Fighter, just with a wing variant. They just built further upon that foundation and used standard wings.

>>44405798
Because it was treason then.

>>44425821
>I don't remember the exact shot, but Hux was given an update on the prisoner/attack situation and the Storm Trooper had a distinctly feminine voice.
I'd need the clip
>There was also an ambiguously brown woman bridge officer and a couple white officers too.
>officers
By definition, not mooks.

>>44425795
>Rey
She's attached to this stupid junkyard shithole of a planet because she says she's waiting for her family to come back.
>Finn
He's a literal blank slate. He sort of wants to do the right thing, but he also really wants to just be left alone and not deal with anything.
>Po
UHHH
>Kylo Ren
He wants to be hardcore, but his self-doubt won't let him dammit JJ, show don't tell

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Since this is sort of a Star Wars weapons thread: what is the canon colour of Wookie bowcasters projectiles? I remembered them as green, yet in TFA they were red.

>>44426437
>I'd need the clip

Don't have it, but it was the trooper giving the update to the officer guy after they've searched the hangar.

>>44425886
Word is Lucas originally wanted Toshiro Mifune himself to be Obi-Wan.

>>44426360
They were going to die until H&C showed up. Some escape.

>>44405855
TR-8R

>>44426351
>Had it be established that she loved stories about the Jedi and the Rebellion and stuff. That would give her much more impetus to go rollicking around because a droid turned up and also feed into the 'new generation inspired by the old' 'theme' that's weak as shit in the film. Also make her act as a good counterpoint to Darth Emo.
That would just make her even more like Luke.
>holy shit you were a Jedi, Ben?! I thought those guys were a myth
>holy shit you're part of the Rebellion, Threepio and R2?! That's nuts, I've heard a lot about you guys

>>44426557
mother of god
can you imagine?

>>44426543
in all the dark forces/jedi knight/battlefront games, they were green. Don't worry, you're not going crazy.

>>44426437

Bride officers in Star Wars are mooks, remember how Vader burned through them like tic-tacs?

>>44426606
Yeah, I remembered them distinctively from Jedi Academy such a shit weapon

What colour were they in original trilogy?

>>44425553
True and trough, but what about the debt collectors attacking Solo, and getting back FN in one peace?

>>44426543
>that pose
Does nobody in these movies do an Isoceles stance? Everyone but the stormtroopers just kind of holds their arms out noncommittally
>>44426621
They were also all addressed by name, which makes them not mooks. They're not expendable because of who they are, but because of who Vader is. Troopers are grunts. Infantry. Expendable is their middle name. Officers are not.
And now that Kylo Ren's the resident dark-side-using lightsaber-toting Imperial leader, we don't actually see him kill any of his own personnel. We just see him grab that one guy by his throat and then we don't see him again. Way to neuter your bad guy by implying he's abusive towards his underlings but not showing it, gg JJ.
Just in time to have female bridge officers too, wouldn't want people to think he's completely irredeemable.
>>44426603
When he turned the role down (because it sounded like some shitty kids flick) Lucas offered Darth Vader.

>>44426708
>They were also all addressed by name, which makes them not mooks

The bridge officers in FA were not addressed by name, they're just sort of there.

>>44426769
Yah.
Besides, 'bridge officer' could be anyone from a colonel to some JG ensign.

>>44426769
I meant in the original trilogy, not in TFA. Like in the conference room scene, or when Piett gets his PROMOTION to Admiral.

>>44426628
I honestly can't recall and don't feel like scrubbing through to find out. Sorry m8.

Don't you like missing with five shots at once though?

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44425429
I was annoyed that they basically used four ships in the entire movie: X-Wings, TIE fighters, Star Destroyers and Millenium Falcon.
Who the hell uses fighters for a bombing run? And if they had resources to develop new X-Wings, where did the B-Wings go? Or the TIE Advanced? Or TIE Bombers?

>>44405688
Grievous would've had absolutely no business getting his ass handed to him had realism ever played an even remotely meaningful role in the Star Wars universe. It's physically impossible to parry a four-lightsaber attack with just a single one of those even with the supernatural reflexes given to you by the Force.

It's Star Wars, though. Even in the movies that are actually good, you're well-advised to just enjoy them for what they are instead of trying to make sense of them.

>>44426934
Weren't in ANH
Aren't in TFA
The poetry meme has become a curse, it was supposed to enhance the franchise, not make it boring

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44426817

I'm imagining the PROMOTIONS black man in an Imperial officer uniform grabbing his throat now.

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>>44426934
fucking this

>>44425483
>Technology is meant to be stagnant in the star wars universe.

WTF?

>>44427281

The point of Star Wars is that the technology should only be as advanced as the plot needs it to be.

>>44425920
>Harikiri
What a fucking movie. Goddamn.

>>44427281
It's a dumb meme where people look at how stagnant the star wars universe is- Sith Fighters 5000 years ago bearing significant resemblance to tie fighters 0 ABY, and empire fighters 150 years ABY the also being recognizeably 'like TIEs', not to mention the whole star destroyer look-
and assuming that that is because it's 'supposed' to be, rather than just marketing and merchandising gimmicks.

>>44427021

>turbines
>on a desert planet

LOL.

>>44427428
There are limits to technology. The star wars universe reached them eons ago.

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>>44425774

>>44426934

Why didn't an entire rebel fleet attack the megadeth star? Why was the megadeth star easier to destroy than the normal death star? How is the empire still in charge of anything when it can lose an entire planet-sized garrison after a 15 minute skirmish with a dozen assholes in fighter jets?

Why does the movie have to rush the audience from one scene to another? Why did we have to have a giant death star in the first place?

>>44427554
>Why didn't an entire rebel fleet attack the megadeth star?

Because the entire fleet was destroyed by the Megadeath Star's laser beam, duh.

>Why was the megadeth star easier to destroy than the normal death star?

Because they needed to spend more time on Jakku doing absolutely fucking nothing, duh!

>How is the empire still in charge of anything when it can lose an entire planet-sized garrison after a 15 minute skirmish with a dozen assholes in fighter jets?

It's not the Empire it's the New Order, get it right! The New Order is like the Empire only more inconsequential.

The stakes are nonexistent in the setting, the New Republic is in charge and the Resistance is only around because the New Republic can't be bothered to commit soldiers to deal with the New Order rump state.

>>44427554
>Why didn't an entire rebel fleet attack the megadeth star?
Because there wasn't time to assemble an entire fleet, the megadeth star knew where they were and was charging for a second shot.
Kinda like the first death star in ANH

>>44423071
so first rey and poe, then poe and finn?

>>44425886
About the Dambusters thing, the guy (Gilbert Taylor) who worked on the cinematography for that movie also worked on ANH so its not quite as much ripping off as reusing really.

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>>44427594
>>44427554

Holy shit I just realized one of the biggest problems I had with The Force Awakens.

Where were the fucking space shots to establish we were traveling from place to place? We got like one jump from Jakku to Orange Yoda planet and that was it.

Star Wars didn't feel like it had stars, which is criminal for a series like this.

>>44405611
No, Vader stands much taller than Han and therefore had the high ground.

>>44427641

Nobody said ripoff. They said Rehash.

>>44427652
They were too busy making sure there was a shot of the lightsaber flying off whenever someone dropped it.

>>44425920
Imdb begs to differ

>>44427652

We got an establishing shot of the maz kanata planet that looks like one giant aquifer, that's about it, and one of jakku before the rehashed the star destroyer scene from ANH from the top this time.

Also a completely flat reveal shot of starkiller base. It didn't even pan up from looking like a normal panel, just HERE IT IS

>>44425429
>but still no landing gear or life support

>>44427737
>>44425429
>the radiators face each other, cutting the emissive efficiency of the inner panels by half.

Pretty sad.

>>44427021
>The top-heavy craft would be difficult for any other pilot to control, but Sue's skills as a pilot match her genius as a mechanic.

>can carry heavy loads
>literally just a mesh net on the side

>>44405417
I wonder how this masterwork meme started. Who is the creator, when did they make it? why?

This and the "What the fuck did you say you little bitch" meme.

>>44427818
yeah the com didn't shift in the slightest when she loaded and unloaded it asymmetrically.

But the cross-section books have always been bullshit, for star wars at least.

>>44427849
Some weeb who was pissed about katanas not being reflected in game as the superior weapons they are
It's literally "i'm sick of katanas being treated as 'masterwork longsword"

>>44427870
I know that, but when did it started? and how?

>>44405855
TRAITOR

pls ep 8 and 9 be good ;_;

>>44425346
Protip: Finn's the new Luke.

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>>44408547

>>44428303

Finn's the new Han Solo.

Rey is the new Luke.

Poe is the new Chewbacca.

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>>44428343

Close.

>>44426934
They don't need B-wings, the Joint X Fighter, or "X-35", is capable of performing both ground attack and air superiority missions, as well as having Vertical Takeoff and Hyperdrive (VTOH) variants.

>>44428209
>>44428209
It's got a different director: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-8-is-going-to-be-weird-promises-screenwriter-a6788031.html

Episode 7: JJ. Abrams
Episode 8: Rian Johnson (of Looper fame) who swears to make the next star wars 'weird'
Episode 9: Collin Trevorrow (2015 Jurassic Park, yikes!)

>>44426543

It was definitely a female-voiced mook stormtrooper reporting to Hux. I saw the movie twice and thought I was crazy the first time, but nope, definitely a female voice in that scene.

>>44428532

Looper was just a shit version of 12 monkeys, tbqh

>>44428303
Basically. Except Luke wasn't a blank slate, he had a real history. We knew his upbringing (raised by aunt and uncle) what kind of environment he was in (middle of nowhere farm on a middle of nowhere planet in the Middle of Nowhere, Space, had friends but they all left the planet to pursue their careers, also crazy old Ben) and what he wanted to do with his life (go to the Imperial Flight Academy and be a pilot).
>>44428490
So instead of having one character who changes and grows over the course of a story, we'll have three characters that will stay the same.

>>44428563
Making shit versions of older movies is totally in right now. I mean ep 7 is just a shit version of ep 4.

>>44428563
Maybe, but it's certainly more tolerable then JJ's work on Star Trek or some of Trevorrow's stuff.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44428612
>So instead of having one character who changes and grows over the course of a story, we'll have three characters that will stay the same.

audiences don't like change.

>>44428867
To be fair, the story takes place over the course of like a week

>>44428891
There's no way to tell because we never hear about how long anything takes except charging Starkiller.
There's no sense of distance either.

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44428911
Like that fucking trip to Luke.

Give us a gigantic long chain of hyperspace jumps, and never even show the Falcon punch it.

>>44428867
There's this little thing called the "Hero's Journey," it's fairly time-tested, I think it's been working for something like 5000 years.

>>44429058
That's not an obscure fact.

>>44419244
>Finn was one of the better characters, but I think his character progression from coward who doesn't want to fight for the First Order, to Rebel action hero was too sudden.
I thought it was pretty crazy that he started shooting randomly inside the hangar during his escape. He probably killed ten or twelve people right there. He was probably really desperate because he was already breaking a prisoner loose.

Why did he defect with a Rebel prisoner, though? Did he not have any friends in the First Order? He must have been a loner.

The more I think about it, the more Finn looks like a psychopath with severe mood swings.

>>44428911
The moment they fired the Starkiller lasers which hit planets in an entirely different star system and only mentioned, in passing, later on that they were "hyper" lasers or some bullshit, made it pretty apparent JJ doesn't give a shit about the setting or lore of Star Wars. He must only see the narrative and commercial appeal of it.

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>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44429114
>He was probably really desperate because he was already breaking a prisoner loose.
He looked desperate and tense in literally every moment of the movie except the one where he was actually killing people.

>>44428911
>we never hear about how long anything takes except charging Starkiller
Even with that, we hear dire warnings about how they have 10 minutes before it's charged, then we see them fuck around for like 20 minutes, then they say it's 2 minutes left.. before an additional 10-minute running swordfight and it still hasn't fired.


It's like every damn thing in the show moves at exactly the speed of plot.

>>44429333
Frieza set their clocks

>>44429380

i don't get it.

>>44429114
Apparently the stormtrooper whose got his blood all over him on Jakku was his bestie and also an even worse stormtrooper than Finn. Him dying made Finn real sad, so he decided to carelessly murder his former neighbors, coworkers, and other friends like Zeroes and Nines.

...The best part? That stormtrooper, Slip, was killed by Poe.

>>44429400
In Dragonball Z, the villain Frieza (an tyrant with at least an entire galaxy under his control) throws an energy ball into the core of a planet in the middle of a fight and says "Alright it should take about 5 minutes for the planet to explode".
The fight continues, and lasts at least another hour.
tl;dr anime memes older than the internet itself
>>44429440
Doesn't matter, because regular viewers aren't going to know that because they aren't autistic enough to read Star Wars books. Stories don't and shouldn't need supplemental material to understand things that make no sense.

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>this thread

>>44405855
Traitor!

>>44429500
>In Dragonball Z, the villain Frieza (an tyrant with at least an entire galaxy under his control) throws an energy ball into the core of a planet in the middle of a fight and says "Alright it should take about 5 minutes for the planet to explode".
>The fight continues, and lasts at least another hour.
>tl;dr anime memes older than the internet itself

I guess you had to be there? I'm not a memer, so i still don't see why that's funny.

>>44429440
Being Finn must be suffering. He didn't want any part of the massacre in the opening scene yet he has an entire planet's worth of blood on his hands by this point.

>>44429500
Oh, I'm well aware. Much like the fact that without [Buy Our Books] you have little to no idea what the fuck is going on in terms of the galaxy's politics because nothing makes any sense, and even the books don't fully explain things. The reason the OT didn't have to spend much time on world-building was because shit was so black and white. You have an Evil Empire and Good Guy Mujaheddin. It's really fucking easy to understand what's going on and it takes no time to establish.

Now we've got/had the Republic, the Resistance, a traveling circuit of capitals that you don't know about unless you've read the books, a Republic Fleet but no Republic Army because the Republic Army is the Resistance But Only Sometimes and Their Also Planetary-Based But Also Obvious Not Planetary-Based, the Core Worlds Empire, the rump state First Order, and a thousand-year old not-Yoda living in a redecorated Jedi temple.

>>44429594
I don't think the intention was funny. It's basically just referring to the ever-present cliche in action schlock -- and especially in DBZ -- of having completely arbitrary time limits that are only given to increase tension and then totally ignored.

>>44429440
>Finn murdering his fellow soldiers
>literally spent his whole life with these guys
>no-one cares except TR-8R

>shoots stormtroopers like they're targets
>throws someone into a trash-compactor
>has the stones to call someone a monster for killing people
The only way this makes sense is through movie morality. The life of a stormtrooper is next to worthless from a moral standpoint. The escape sequence probably cost more lives than that village massacre.

>>44429594
>I'm 12 years old and never saw old DBZ

>>44429656
>Being a traitor must be suffering
That's why we hang them. But you can't hang Finn cuz that's be ray-ray.

>>44429679
maybe we just had taste, weeb

>>44429679
>The life of a stormtrooper is next to worthless from a moral standpoint.
Which makes no sense when the person killing them is a stormtrooper themselves.

>>44429679
>>I'm 12 years old and never saw old DBZ

Are you?

>>44429735
>liking DBZ makes you a weeb
I'm laffin
>not liking one of the best action manga around

>>44405855
TRAITOR

>>44429754
Watching it as a kid doesn't make you a weeb.

Defending it as an adult does. It's one of the worst shows ever made.

>>44429833
>goku's gonna die!
>oh no he won.
>repeat

90% of it is just characters statically monologuing to each other until the last minute of the episode.

>>44429674
>The reason the OT didn't have to spend much time on world-building was because shit was so black and white. You have an Evil Empire and Good Guy Mujaheddin. It's really fucking easy to understand what's going on and it takes no time to establish.
I disagree on the idea that they didn't spend a lot of time. They just didn't do a whole lot of expositing on history, they just told us what was relevant to the characters themselves and made it obvious.

They didn't tell us about how Jedi used to be numerous but now they're basically nothing, we just had that one Admiral Vader choked calling him an adherent to a "dead religion" - meaning it was once active but now no one follows but kooks like Vader (except wait a minute, he just telekinetically choked that guy - could Vader actually be right here?)
All we knew about the Clone Wars was that there was a war, clones were somehow involved, and it was important enough that a hick in the Outer Rim knew about it. All that is gleaned from the following:
>"I was a general in the Clone Wars"
>"wait you fought in the clone wars"
>"yes I did, I was a Jedi, and so was your father, we were war buddies"
Three lines about a superimportant event in SW history, but no actual details about it because the people talking about already know them. They're discussing what matters while hinting at a larger world.
What's a Kessel Run? I don't fucking know, but according to Han, it's an adequate measure of his skill as a pilot and smuggler to convince Kenobi that he's worth hiring.
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>>44429914
Not liking DBZ doesn't make you a patrician, but using words like "show" and "episode" does make you a pleb. read the fucking manga, all the pacing issues the anime is famous for do not exist at all in the manga - if anything, it feels rushed

>>44429945
>Not liking DBZ doesn't make you a patrician, but using words like "show" and "episode" does make you a pleb. read the fucking manga, all the pacing issues the anime is famous for do not exist at all in the manga - if anything, it feels rushed

Nah. i have far better things to do than to read one of the worst stories ever told.

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>>44429945
>MANGA!
>ANIME!
>GIRUGAMESH!

>>44430021
>leaving out GAY MEN!

>>44430021
An old meme, but it checks out
>>44429980
Like posting on an laotian finger-painting imageboard?

>>44430121
>Like posting on an laotian finger-painting imageboard?

Wew lad all that wit i am thoroughly trounced!

>>44429114
>The more I think about it, the more Finn looks like a psychopath with severe mood swings.

He's a former child soldier who realized that he was with the bad guys, of course he is messed up.

>>44430421
yeah i thought that was the weakest thing ever. That's not how conditioning works.

>>44430442
>>44430421
Except he's not a "former child soldier" because Jakku was his first actual field mission and prior to that he was a janitor. He's a fucking boot who cracked the first time he went on assignment.

>>44430531
Well, to be fair, I think we can all agree that was a good thing. But he clearly was an orphan raised and indoctrinated to be a soldier from childhood.

>>44427021
>She built it all by herself! Woohoo
Fuck. I didn't want to know this.
Rey really is a Sue.

>>44430598
>>44430531
>>44430442
>>44430421
In the novel, he actually is built up as being one of the very stormtroopers in the entire First Order. He always scored top marks as a cadet, and Phasma wanted to fast-trakc him for officer corps material because of he was so brave, intelligent, strong, and dutiful.

>>44430531
His backstory is that he was taken from his family at a young age and then subjected to training and other forms of conditioning.

Not only should he have not broken, he should have had extreme difficulty in relating to anyone.

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>>44430720
Basically a fritzl child who lapses into conditioned military training at the drop of a hat.

But star wars jokes about terrorism so why wouldn't it joke about child soldiers?

>>44430598
>I think we can all agree that was a good thing.
I disagree, because having what is basically still a blank slate decide to defect and be good really doesn't mean anything because we don't see any temptation at all to stay and be evil.
And if Finn is the supposed to be the new Han, then he's a piss-poor replacement. Han is an experienced criminal who deals with powerful mobsters. He regularly defies what would be in the US the FBI, DEA and US Marshals. He tries to weasel his way out of the deals he makes and then shoots first because he's a scumbag. He rescues Leia because she could give him a big fat monetary reward. He doesn't join the Rebels because, like Luke says, he takes care of himself - it's what he's best at. Him coming back to help Luke is a big moment because it signals a real change in his character throughout the entire movie, and even then, he was still having trouble adjusting to the whole "doing good and being a part of something bigger than yourself" thing years later in Empire.
>>44430660
>In the novel
Stopped reading there.

>>44430872
Finn is just another version of movie peter quill.

an empty vessel that dispenses bad jokes and one-liners awkwardly for "comedic effect"

>>44430905
>bad jokes
Cmon he was the funniest part of the movie, though they were clearly "jokes" as opposed to "let's make the dialogue funny"
>awkwardly
Those were on purpose, he's trying to be cool but clearly isn't, he could only fool Rey because she, like Luke, is a sheltered hick (which is why Han's cool guy act worked on Luke, by the by)