Dragon art

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>>44349652

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Oh boy here I go again

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A friend of mine said that Bahamut and Tiamat are canonically mates.

Is he fuckin' with me, or is that true?

>>44353264
>Male and female deity-parents of all dragons
You be the judge, but in the meantime remember that FR sucks.

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>>44349875

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Anybody have more like this?

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>>44355821
Or like this?

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>>44355821
>>44355835
what are these from? I have another that appears to be from this as a series

>>44353264
Depends on the setting.

In some settings they were created to be mates but their moral differences caused them to split. In others they're Io split in two, in some they're eternal opposed forces given form.

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Does anyone have other pictures like this?
Like deformed dragon, or ones that look not like your typical big firebreathing lizard.

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>>44358081
ye, I got some bizarro-dracos

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>>44358133

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>>44358147

>>44358140
Aww shit, this one's literally perfect for something I've been planning. I'd post some in return, but I just noticed I have surprisingly little Dragons.

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>>44358159

>>44358163
don't stress it man.
You making some sort of norse dragons=forces of chaos type setting?

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>>44358173

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>>44358189

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>>44358199

>>44358173
Essentially, my setting's gonna have Dragons be manifestations of human sin, and that picture's perfects for an idea I had for one of them.

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>>44358211
I have more weird dragon than I thought

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>>44358220
oh, so more playing off the "devil took the form of a dragon" drum then? Aight, I gotcha.

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>>44358235
can't make heads or tails of pic related's face

>>44358235
Half-half, I'm taking a lot of ques from Bloodborne and Biblical references in my setting.

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>>44358247

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>>44358258


>>44358257
bloodborne's an odd choice, considering all the supernaturals in that are of alien origin, but fair enough. you looking for more winged stuff or more land-crawley stuff?

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>>44358278
I'd tell you more, but my players browse /tg/, but Bloodborne themed stuff's fitting closer than you'd expect.
And landcrawly stuff, it's primarily a subterranean based setting, thanks!

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>>44358302

>>44358303
I'll see what I can manage, seems I'm running dry of obviously daconic things and may have to dip into my more kaiju-themed resources, if that's cool.

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>>44358329
Yeah, that'd be great. You've already given me more than I could've hoped, anything else is just icing on the cake.

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>>44358362
this one's a bit of a stretch, but seems to hit the notes you want

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>>44358368
always glad to help

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>>44358385

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>>44358393
and I think that's all she wrote
hope you've got enough resources for your setting

>>44358408
Oh, plenty. Cheers!

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>>44358450
aye, cheers!

and back to traditional dragons we go!

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>>44358463

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>>44358583
I've seen this guy somewhere... Ohh right he stared in Good Burger!

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>young cloud dragon

couldn't resist.

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Anyone got the full?

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>>44359576
I have never been able to respect that Pokémon. I don't care about it's stats, or it's mega form.
It's fucking cotton wool. It evolves from swablu. The least threatening Pokémon in the game. Fucking magikarp looks more intimidating than swablu.

Which is annoying because they then proceed to wreck my shit due to being powerful dragons.

>>44349652
>dragon PC
you fucked up

>>44361333
>you fucked up
Why?

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>>44363438
Because now they'll want to fuck you

>>44363829
And the problem is?

Anyone got more pics?
Mine are a bit too lewd

I guess no one has dragons for Christmas

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>>44369887
Giving dragons as presents is irresponsible anyway

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>>44369887
What role do dragons play in your world /tg/?

Inscrutable force of nature?

Intelligent and likely malevolent super lizard?

Cute fuck buddies?

Livestock?

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>>44349652

Gotcha Covered, OP. Merry Christmas.

>>44370377
Giant abominations on the world that blight everything around them and spend their immortal lives sucking on magic.

>>44370377
>What role do dragons play in your world?
>Intelligent and likely malevolent super lizard?
This is probably the closest fit. I'm setting them up to be one of the first creatures to adapt themselves biologically to the essence of magic and use it extremely well. As a result, most of the humanoid races (and some of the intelligent beast races) began viciously hunting them for their raw resources (scales, leather, sinew, bone, blood, magic infused glands) and so instead of having them as some sort of singular terror icon, most populated areas tend to have a warm assertion about their forefathers taking on mighty dragons without fear along with scores of other men, basically a symbol of pride. As a result of all this, dragons are more or less small volume populated, though not endangered. When numbers are low, there is less competition for safe lairs and nests in unreachable perches, so they have a fallback to use every dozen generations when the Dragon Chases run their course.

I'm trying to make a somewhat believable dichotomy for dragon personalities in a sense that the ones that live closer to human populations are much more rough-lined and aggressive as necessitates in their lifestyle, though the ones who generally live in total seclusion might ponder a human without any consideration for conflict, if it came across one.

Gosh, there's so much more I want to put in here, but I have no idea how big the character limit is or how much people want me to shut up .

Thanks for asking, too. I always find that being asked a direct question is incredibly helpful in jogging the mind to consider something creative in design.

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>>44370377
The first form of natural life to come after the advent of the gods, born of the debris from the interactions between gods as they operate in the setting, exclusively arcane creatures in composition.
Still subject to the general rules of natural selection, though, the vast majority of dragons have evolved into different kinds of creatures since their inception, with only the Blues and the Browns retaining their original form within the world the setting takes place on.

>>44372559
I like them as flesh elementals

>>44374690
By extension, the dragons of my setting are technically elementals in origin, in that elementals are infant gods and dragons are made of auto-animating god-debris. Though, true elementals of flesh usually are born from hell world/gods there in the form of demon or devil species, so I imagine there might be a flesh dragon somewhere out there, but it would be extremely rare.

>>44370377

Manifestations of the ultimate knowledge and sin. So wicked are they that their breath burns from without and within. Their blood is denied by the very earth, mutating and sickening all it touches.

>>44370377
Powerful beings of magic and elemental chaos whose blood is very potent and their language is inherit to those who carry it. Their legacy is felt throughout magic history and practices and is especially influential in draconic sorcerer bloodlines, the enigmatic dragonborn clans, and half-dragon abominations.

>>44377649
...go on...

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>>44377920
>>44377649
>>44377935
GodDAMMIT.

CAN WE HAVE ONE CUNTPUNTING THREAD WITHOUT THIS FETISH?
There are fucking sites and boards out there dedicated to this. What if every fucking dwarf thread I posted fart fetish posts? People would complain and rightly so. Same fucking thing.

>>44377935
https://e621.net/post/show/654323
This one may or may not be useful for a dragon PC, depending on the campaign. We'll include it for the sake of completeness and let OP decide for himself.

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>>44354208
>FR sucks

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fetishes are for sex-driven chumps
post some giant dragons for the glory of power and rage!

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>>44378441
>fetishes are for sex-driven chumps

t. turbovirgin

>>44377981
>https://e621.net/post/show/654323
Make her skinnier and we'll talk

It always amuses me the mods delete those pics despite them technically being SFW

>>44370377
Elite Calvary of a nation the nation that the dragon riders have beef with another nation that rides Wyvern
We got Griffin riders that are literally winged Hussars

>>44370377
In the present day, mostly bankers and business people.

They used to all be giant, extremely powerful and long-lived abominations that dominated over much of the planet. Merlin, the greatest wizard to ever live, realize that this upset the balance of the world and cursed or maybe blessed, since they're had a lot of room to grow morally as a result of Merlin's actions them to be much smaller, much shorter lived, and much less powerful. They're still kind of angry at humans for doing that, but there's so few pure humans left that it doesn't really matter.

This is for a sitcom I'm writing, not my D&D campaign. In my D&D campaign they're just magical flying fire-lizards.

>>44353264
At the conclusion of an epic level campaign, my party decided to use a Wish to make them fuck instead of just trying to destroy Tiamat.

>>44384471
...so, what happened next?

>>44349652
How young are we talking? And just how are you playing this?

>>44384522

Very young (Small size.) and the 3rd party book "In the Company of Dragons." Balances out playing a dragon PC for 20 levels of play, by tying Aging with experience.

>>44384486
Our DM was incompetent and had not planned for this, so we ended the campaign on a triumphant fade-to-black. I didn't imagine anything past that, but I can't speak for the other players.

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>>44378488
woops, sorry for the delay, christmas stuff

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>>44377960
>he said, while posting a tumblr image and tumblr meme

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>>44386994

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>>44387782

>>44370377
I mix the chimera neo-dragons from west Europe with the serpentine dragons of east Europe and Asia.
So they become semi-divine beings of order.
A dragon is only ever truly neutral so there are no good or bad dragons.

Kinda like satan in east European folklore where he tests the hero of the story.
If the hero is just and has a good heart he will pass the trial and win not only his soul back but also be granted a wish or power.
Before Christianity it was just dragons instead of satan.

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>>44358199
HUMANS!

>>44377017
To elaborate on this as well, i'm having difficulting finding a place for metallic dragons. I've done away with good and evil alignments, rather sticking with law and chaos instead. Tiamat, Mother of Dragons and Daughter of Chaos is the god of the chromatic dragons, but what place do Bahamut and the metallic dragons have?

>>44389870
Order obviously, tyrannies both benevolent and malevolent to be more specific

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>>44387919

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Only good dragon is a dead dragon.

>>44393351
But most dragons are nice and don't want needless conflict.

>>44393451
>don't want needless conflict

Too bad they see taking our treasure and princesses as a 'need'.

>>44393603
>Too bad they see taking our treasure and princesses as a 'need'.
So do most adventurers

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>>44392461

>>44350525
Why is its left arm winged while the right arm not winged and has a obvious desperate wing on the other side.

I hate how most of the flying "dragons" in these threads would never realistically attain flight better than a glide.

>>44394687
Not only that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube_law

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>>44393718
What if we hire dragon adventurers?

>>44394687
They're fucking magical creatures.

>>44394687
>It's fantasy anon
I do, however, appreciate this point. I once read a book - must have been written 40 years ago in old epic fantasy fiction - that actually touched on this point as part of the story. In short, human mages pilgrimage to an known dragon enclave in order to learn magic from the natural masters, the dragons themselves. A clever kid who, naturally, has an incredible affinity for magic and intelligence, figures out that the dragons require a low level levitation spell to be cast any and every time they want to lift off the ground. Their mass is quite simply incompatible with flight. Goes down a path that implies the dragons aren't just natural masters of magic use, they rely on it to biologically survive.

Cool book, wish I could find out where it got to, among the other cool books I've been taking inspiration from.

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>>44370377

They range from 'really dangerous wild animal with limited access to raw magic' to 'highly intelligent spiritual/elemental entities'

>>44370377
Dragons represent the ego of the cosmos, made manifest in the form of a serpentine body, a terrible breath, and an inhuman cunning.

Dragons prefer to make their lairs in places best befitting their elements. For instance, fire dragons tend to nest in places that are hot, such as volcanoes, while water dragons prefer underwater caves or tunneled-out glaciers. Most dragons rarely care about anything but themselves, unless it helps advance their personal agendas. These agendas typically involve amassing wealth, knowledge, or influence, with the goal of becoming the envy of other dragons. This, of course, makes a dragon's hoard a very tempting, albeit risky, target for adventurers and thieves.

Dragons are fiercely competitive and notoriously territorial, and many consider anything within their territory to be their possession.

Several species have descended from these "True Dragons," such as Wyverns, Hydras, and the mischievous Kobolds. True Dragons do not typically enjoy the company of these lesser dragonkin, with the exception of Kobolds, who often revere dragons as gods and help further the dragons' agendas. Dragons and Giants have long held a grudge against the other, ever since the Dragons came to the aid of the gods in their war against the Titans.

>>44391626
Maybe, I like the imagery of the serpent form as a manifestation of chaos, and something like giants being the manifestation of order.

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>>44394294

Why are non fetish dragon threads so less popular than fetish dragon threads?

>>44398572
This is the second or third dragon thread in a week, even the fetish ones slow down around this point unless someone shows up tk writefag or something.

What's the main statistical differences between chromatic and metallic dragons in D&D 5e?

So if I were to chop together the two kinds of dragons chromatic/metallic into 5 distinct kinds of dragons, how should I do it without breaking things?

>>44394422
Look more closely at the image anon, all the parts are correct

>>44355821
>>44355835
>>44356653
Sauce is literally in the bottom corner of the image.

>>44395718
Then they steal everything

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>>44410564

>>44405307
Which on is the queen, the dragon or the girl with the crown near the throne?

Wait, is that supposed to be a dude? The proportions are more female but maybe there's supposed to be a beard. But, wait, the human's hair is black, and that "beard" is white, and looks really metallic.

I'm so confused.

>>44411996
the throne is the queen, a master polymorphist, and the two others are her apprentices

>>44398572
Lots of people on /tg/ want to fuck dragons. They know that they'll just derail threads like this, so they stick to the fetishey threads, I guess.

We'll probably get some fun stories or something later on, if I can get off my ass and write more of that story about a friendly dragon appearing in modern times I started a few months ago

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>>44412102
Do it. I've been waiting for you to carry on with that.

>>44413497
I'll try to do some stuff with it tonight. I was having a lot of trouble making it believable, especially in regards to how the internet at large would react to something like that happening.

>>44413660
I'd say try to get it to "good enough to show" and worry about fine tuning later, but then I just selfishly want to read more of the story.

>>44413817
Reading it again, I'm gonna have to rewrite everything after he turns on OBS. Reactions are really fucking stupid right now.

I'll work on it.

>>44396111

That might be a flight of dragons.

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>>44413065

>>44414857
I don't know what this is anon but that wasn't what I read.

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>>44416648
That's cool
Is it from something?

>>44412102
Never seen this. Link?

>>44412102
>We'll probably get some fun stories or something later on, if I can get off my ass and write more of that story about a friendly dragon appearing in modern times I started a few months ago
Make it a new years resolution to do it, or any sort of resolution, personally I find it works the best to give myself a deadline that I have to finish it by, I don't always meet it but it gives me motivation to get started

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>>44416918
no idea, was just something I nabbed from a past dragon thread
>>44416648

>>44420331
>>44419820
>>44413817
>>44413497

I pumped out a fair amount of stuff.

http://pastebin.com/4xhmY9eF

I feel like it starts sucking towards the end. Does it?

>>44421174
Love it, definitely an improvement from the last take. One thing, however. It seems a little weird to be relying on magic as much as you did, especially since it is set in the modern world. I feel like magic could clash with technology and make it a lot less believable, but that's just me.

>>44421174
This is pretty good. Apart from grammatical errors that don't really matter in the day and age of spellcheck, I can see a couple of parts where your explanation of events came from a concept or inspiration for how you want it to feel, though it was a little lacking due to how you ended up writing it ultimately. Looking up narratives techniques and increasing your vocabulary will improve this a hundredfold.

Now my most niggling issue with the story. The format. The decision to make it first person - with events unfolding at the present - make's it difficult for the reader to relax and allow themselves to be immersed in a story that has nothing to do with them (with phrases such as "I stand up", especially if it doesn't read like a diary [present tense, like I said]) and it ends up feeling a little awkward.

I'm not trying to put you down though, despite that, I read through it and enjoyed the use of emotion and facial expressions, even though I found nameless protagonist a little too over-the-top with rambling thoughts.

>>44421535
Personally, I don't think there's any justification for being down on a story that uses both science and magic (we don't *have* to ascribe to Harry Potter's "it just doesnt work together" dogma, do we?). As for it being less believable, it's fiction, so the reader rather relies on suspension of disbelief to immerse themselves in the story (this occurs without thinking), and only internal logic and reactions make the story less or more understandable. On that point, the description for what happens when oldmate dragon-bloke decides to scry? the protagonist with magic and truth spells and what not was great, although a little bit ambiguous near the end.

Suffice it to say, more effort and more pages, 7/10 would read your upcoming novel.

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>>44395718
I have actually thought about dragons as PCs but the thing is that most fantasy settings don't make everything dragon-sized so they would either have trouble moving around or would have to polymorph themselves into smaller creatures like humans to get shit done, at which point what the fuck is the point of using them as PCs if all it's gonna do is hinder them.

Unless they were really tiny, a campaign starring really tiny dragons would be funny and make giant rats challenging.

>>44422482

any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

>>44424911
Are you talking about something in your setting specifically, or magic in general?

Keep in mind, anon, magic isn't real. Stating those kinds of absolutes is meaningless, and has no bearing on fictitious settings (unless the writer wants it to).

>>44425412

It's a meaningless quote from a science fiction author used to justify pseudo-religious faith in technology.

Saying it with sincerity outs the person as having very little real world experience.

>>44425412

This is about the general case, which also applies to the real world (the stuff outside the window in your room). If you were teleported to the past but had your smartphone with you, people around you would think of it as a magical item, as they can't grasp the concept of electronics. They also would probably murder you.

Fantasy (dragon) stories are usually set in the past, as it is easier to deal with and seems more realistic to us. The reason it is more realistic, is because magic seems more plausible in the past, as there is less explainable stuff as time progresses forward.

Having a magical creature in the present time is a possible setting, but just more difficult to deal with, because magic gets less important, as technology advances forward.

>>44425538
The past? You mean like 60 years ago? Everyone would recognize anything i brought back. They would see a cell phone as an interactive television/radio combination. A computer as an interactive television, etc etc.

You're speaking of a narrative bias, not a historical basis. Maybe you shouldn't get reality from the mouths of fiction writers?

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>>44424530
Dragon PCs would struggle with a lot of things human PCs wouldn't need to think about, but at the same time a lot of other problems would be quite trivial to a party of dragons. You could have some fun inverting the usual challenges as long as the players have reasons not to brute force their way through everything.

>>44425638
>You mean like 60 years ago?


no, before steam engines.

>>44425760
You said the past. You said people in the past would see what we have now as magical.

If that is the case, why does it have to be more than 100 years ago? Did something change? Is your assertion flawed?

>>44425440
Oh, I didn't realize. I guess I don't read the right kind of books. Feel a little dumb, now.

>>44425538
Two concepts are outlined here. Magic as a function of disbelief, and magic as a narrative element in fiction. You can assume they are the same thing if you like, but this is not the case, as the latter is simply an elaboration of fiction in general.

Fiction stories aren't set in the past because they are easier to deal with. It really isn't a case of science vs. magic. Plenty of fiction novels have been written in modern settings and even beyond modern settings and they do just fine. Magic will never be 'more realistic'. Sometimes authors choose to exhibit magic as the former concept where science really does get crazy advanced, some choose to keep it "im a wizard, aint gotta explain shit".

>>44425815
>why does it have to be more than 100 years ago?
Because of two reasons. The first one is education. Intelligent people tend to search for better explanations for stuff than assuming it's magic. The second reason is that we are the center of a bubble of technology. Everything outside of it does not exists and sometimes also can't be explained. We accept stuff that is close to that bubble as being possible even though we might not be able to explain it yet. Stuff that is too far away is deemed magic, or as in other terms, science fiction.

>>44425916
>Oh, I didn't realize. I guess I don't read the right kind of books. Feel a little dumb, now.

Just arthur c clarke books about physics and orangutan slaves. It's mental masturbation at best.

The whole magic from technology thing is just a psalm from the religion of the singularity.

>>44425638
Magic lies in the gap between describing something and understanding it. I can describe the properties of a magic wand, but I can't explain why it has those properties.

>>44425985
So if someone doesn't understand wifi (99% of the population) they see it as literal magic?

Do you know what supercilious means?

>>44426008
That's a subjective interpretation, and a pretty condescending one at that. What technology that you don't full understand do you see as literal magic? Can you explain wifi without google?

>>44426055
>Can you explain wifi without google?

You don't need to be able to explain something to debunk it as technologically possible and not magic. You are experiencing Wifi all the time. The same way that you experience any other form of wireless transmission. Most people also can't explain why light is particle and wave at the same time.

A lightsaber is an example of magic (or science fiction) as it defies the laws of physics. We simply can't make light (or more precisely plasma) stop in mid-air the way it is portrayed.

Whenever we see stuff that seems impossible we deem it as magic or science fiction.
People can't explain Wifi, but most have seen walkie talkies and will automatically assume, that the principle is similar. The human brain will desperately try to make anything thrown at it seem reasonable. If it can't it resorts to the idea of magic or another form of higher power.

>>44421535
I'm not quite sure I follow.

I'm not planning on putting any real conflict between technology and magic inside the story. The dragon is going to be the only character who uses magic, and otherwise everything will be fairly grounded in reality.

>>44422482
First person present tense was a personal challenge for myself. I absolutely hate writing in it, and I'm trying to improve.

I'll read over it again and try to chose my words better. Thanks for the advice!

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I know it was probably intended as fetishbait, but for some reason I keep thinking about the concept of hammerspace dragons from, what, half a year ago? Little tiny dragons with some dimensional-shift magic built into them to let them consume and hold anything. Like a bag of holding but even bigger on the inside and probably mildly snarky.
Plus, it'd be sort of a symbiotic relationship between some of them and the adventurers with whom they travel - the tiny dragon gets physical protection in the form of adventurers, and the adventurers get a near-guarantee that whatever they let the dragon hold can't be stolen by a third party. And the bard vanishes from time to time.

>>44426055
>Can you explain wifi without google?
Not completely, but it's pretty much a transmission of EM waves at certain frequencies (probably highish ones, considering the speed and low range) used to transmit signals which are probably coded in the amplitudes or something. The receptor is sensitive to fluctuations on these frequencies, and so transmits the signal to the computer, where the message is decoded into usable information.

>>44426396
You're shifting the goalpost so much it's like it follows the uncertainty principle.

Are you saying that the difference between magic and technology is ignorance alone, and not some result of exponential progress?

Are you saying perpetual motion is going to be possible just because we think it's impossible today?

You seem really confused on what makes something magical.

>>44426055
>What technology that you don't full understand do you see as literal magic?
I'm a mechanical engineer. Pretty much anything past a transformer is voodoo in my opinion.

>>44426491
>Not completely, but it's pretty much a transmission of EM waves at certain frequencies (probably highish ones, considering the speed and low range) used to transmit signals which are probably coded in the amplitudes or something. The receptor is sensitive to fluctuations on these frequencies, and so transmits the signal to the computer, where the message is decoded into usable information.

Yet you do not believe it is a form of magic?

Then why would any but the most foolish of person in any era suspect as such? Fucking lord kelvin wouldn't think a cell phone was magic, nor kepler, nor galileo, nor anyone with a working brain.

The whole concept is just a way of feeling special, not an actual fact.

>>44426520
>Are you saying perpetual motion is going to be possible just because we think it's impossible today?

Perpetual motion is possible. Take something into space and rotate it. Unless something collides with it, it will continue to do so forever. As soon as you want to get energy back from it you get into trouble, unless you are willing to destroy matter to actually "create" energy.

> Are you saying that the difference between magic and technology is ignorance alone, and not some result of exponential progress?

You still find people that believe the earth is somewhat about 6000 years old and humankind was put here by god. Ignorance is the key.

>>44426609
>Perpetual motion is possible. Take something into space and rotate it. Unless something collides with it, it will continue to do so forever. As soon as you want to get energy back from it you get into trouble, unless you are willing to destroy matter to actually "create" energy.

You know exactly what is meant by perpetual motion. A perpetual motion machine. Is that possible, just on the axiom that "saying something is impossible means it must be possible one day"?

Clarke had a quote for that too.

>You still find people that believe the earth is somewhat about 6000 years old and humankind was put here by god. Ignorance is the key.

People believe that space is the answer to everything and that we'll make a computer to save the world and give us an afterlife.

Ignorance, indeed.

>>44426757
>"saying something is impossible means it must be possible one day"
Who are you quoting?

>>44426814
>Clarke's First Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

There are people in this very thread who believe this. At most, i am quoting the delusional singularity enthusiasts.

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>>44426491
>wet stuff
>possibility you won't get your stuff when you ask
>who knows how much loot it squirreled away for itself
why would any intelligent person use one?

>>44426866
But nobody has said that either. You're debating with the voices in your head.

>>44426949

This isn't a debate.

>>44426491
>hammerspace dragons
I loved the concept of those, both for fetish and nonfetish reasons
And I do love the idea of them being an adventurer's companions/animal sidekick/coin purse

You got any ideas for them?
Now that you've reminded me I want to try stating one up after I get home from work

>>44426968
But THIS is a debate.

A debate about whether or not this is a debate.

A double debate.

>>44426945
>why would any intelligent person use one?
It's cute, makes it hard to have your stuff stolen, and makes a good animal sidekick

Who cares if it takes a small finder's fee? Most hirelings run into the same problem

>>44426949
>>44426968
I don't know who's trolling who anymore

>>44426866
You can debunk this with a number.

Graham's number is too large to be stored in the observable universe.
> Indeed, like the last two of those numbers, the observable universe is far too small to contain an ordinary digital representation of Graham's number, assuming that each digit occupies one Planck volume

This is an example of something, that will stay impossible, no matter how you twist or turn it.

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>>44427047
Inb4 "that's what they said about airplanes lol why are you always in the past lol"

The internet only made human ignorance worse, because you can always find a group of nutters who will agree with you on any position.

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>>44426980
A friend and I are making a quick story about an adventurer group, mostly to practice our narrative writing. Said group is essentially:
>male Fighter leader, doing the quest for the goodly goodness of good
>male Bard, doing bard things. Probably comic relief-ish, but not in the slapstick manner - he'll end up being a foil to the Fighter's "everything is serious" demeanor
>female hammerspace dragon. Not too much planning for her yet, but part of her introduction involves letting the Bard try to retrieve a sheathed knife she swallows, mostly for purposes of showing off hammerspace dragon things
>female "mage" (actually archer/rogue), using basic alchemy and simple illusions to convince people her arrows are spells. She joins the quest purely for the reward, but at least she's honest about that.
They're gonna rescue a noble from some devious wizard or something. I plan to add a bit of vore as bonus chapters, sort of sidelong to the story.

As far as actually statting one, no clue. I've only ever been a player, not a GM, for a reason. I can't even munchkin minmax properly.

>>44427354
>They're gonna rescue a noble from some devious wizard or something.
Sounds neat, looking forward to it
>I plan to add a bit of vore as bonus chapters, sort of sidelong to the story.
Looking forward to that too

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>>44426945
k

>>44358278
Is that supposed to be Slifer?

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>>44427439
>looking forward to it
It's his first time doing creative stuff (myself, I've done vore greentexts before, but that's pretty much it), and we both write slow af. Don't expect much, or soon.

>>44427487
The artist's mid-dragon design is so adorable. I just wish new chapters could get translated faster for those of us who can't read runes.

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>>44427821
k

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>>44426980
>like many dragons, your companion has acquired a group of kobold followers
>unlike most dragons, her followers are building a city inside her
>this leads to some unusual requests - she once produced several kobolds and demanded the party pay a blacksmith to train them - but in the long run they usually pay for themselves
>as well as storage, she's slowly building up all the services you'd expect from a regular town - for a small fee, of course
>yesterday she even told you she'd finished an inn, if you want to sleep somewhere more comfortable
>you haven't visited yet, but you might consider it

>>44428017
>she takes a liking to you, and offers you a special spot if you want
>not in her town, just nestled quietly away in her belly
>you begin to question if you've been trusting this dragon with too much
>although, she wasn't lying, it IS warm and cozy in here...

>>44428017
>>44428337
I hadn't even considered using one as a mobile base, that's pretty clever actually, wonder what special requirements a stronghold like that would need.

Huh, y'know a few of those infinite food larders from stronghold builders guide would mean you'd never have to feed your dragon

>>44428700
He's a vore fetishist. Ignore him.

>>44428881
Two of us. But >>44428700 does have an interesting idea, although you'd have to really rely on the dragon continuing to prefer you alive and allowing you to continue operations. If hammerspace dragons work the way I'd imagine they work, it'd be bad if she changes her mind about letting you do stuff in her while you're outside, and worse if this turn happens while you're in your base.

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>>44429115
The city would provide some insurance against that happening, as she couldn't harm the party in there without destroying the whole thing. You still want to stay on good terms but the risk of betrayal is much lower.

>>44429115
What sort of child abuse gives someone a vore fetish exactly?

An chrome plug-in came out a long time ago that replaced the word cloud to butt. Although it was originally created for making stories about the cloud and internet data storage humorous it does wonders for the cloud dragon entry. My personal favorite is butt kill.

>>44429547

I hope for humanity's sake that you are not of voting age.

>>44429547
>butt kill
Don't be silly, everyone knows that's not what happens when a dragon sits on you. You just enter a new "dungeon" if you fail to dodge.

>>44429416
None, actually. I just find it fascinating (non-sexually) to watch snakes eat, and vore somehow grew out of that.

>>44429547
>butt kill.
Is it bad my first thought is a sexy dragoness with dat ass smothering an adventuring party beneath her magnificent ass?

>>44429729
>trying to act above butt humor
Hey guys, look at this butt over here!

>>44429416
I blame the Magic School Bus.

>>44428881
>>44429115
>He's a vore fetishist
As am I, but disregarding that

>>44429115
>you'd have to really rely on the dragon continuing to prefer you alive and allowing you to continue operations. If hammerspace dragons work the way I'd imagine they work, it'd be bad if she changes her mind about letting you do stuff in her while you're outside, and worse if this turn happens while you're in your base.
As >>44429298 pointed out, losing the base would probably prevent her from simply digesting the party, though I do like the idea a hammerspace dragon would have some sort of selective digestion ability but if a decently large base can fit in there it actually feels silly for some reason
I'd also assume her and the party would know and trust each other for a while before they start building it, so she'd probably let the party know they're having a problem before it gets to that point

>>44429729
Hell if I know, think it's a mix of powerplay, assimilation, and endosomatophilia for me

>>44429849
>You just enter a new "dungeon" if you fail to dodge.
I remember that thread, trying to stat that encounter was fun

>>44429964
I guess if all you had was a tape of the two or three episodes where that happens.

Cartoons when i was a kid made me afraid of toxic waste more than anything.

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>>44430134
>I do like the idea a hammerspace dragon would have some sort of selective digestion ability
The way I imagine it, the dragon's mouth/throat is sort of a silent portal to any one of the dragon's stomachs (like a selective portal to the Plane of Hammerspace Dragon Bellies), so a hammerspace dragon could keep their hoard safe while still being able to eat. Similarly, a group who doesn't think far ahead enough might distrust the dragon's kobold city enough to ask to be able to have their base elsewhere. At the expense of a bit more effort to make their base of operations less... stomach-like at first, they could have 99% privacy (dragon can still probably eavesdrop unless they soundproof the base or something). And also enable the dragon to get rid of them while sparing its kobolds if it so pleases, but that takes more forethought than might be given.

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>>44430278

Seen it.

How weird do you like to get with dragons by design?

>>44430867
In general I prefer the standard Dragon body shape, beyond that it varies though most standard dragons would be the usual mix of reptilian body with a muscular and skeletal structure not unlike the big cats with a handful of strange varieties, though if dragons are supposed to be very rare going straight to strange and exotic isn't out of the question

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>>44427664
no, that is concept art for the hobbit trilogy's Smaug
>>44424503

>>44430278
Personally I like the idea it's all one big chamber, like a living bag of holding but the dragon has enough control over it that it can pull up specific items or sort/manipulate the contents, as well as control how tight or acidic it is in places. It would be possible to go deeper in and build their base away from the town though

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>>44430278
Expanding on this because autism:
When a hammerspace dragon swallows something, there are essentially three stages.
First is, of course, the mouth. Anything it plans to consume can appear to shrink quickly within a small radius before the back of its throat, until it is thin enough to fit naturally into the throat. To an observer, this looks as though the prey is being sharply pinched near its jaws; to prey being eaten head-first, it can appear as the dragon's mouth rapidly getting bigger to engulf them. This rapid size change is not uncomfortable, nor can it damage the prey's structural integrity any more than pressing on the target gently - however, many may find it unnerving to watch their lower parts nearly vanish into a tiny dragon, even when being consumed willingly.
Secondly, the inside of the throat can seem to be endless to the prey, although in rare cases, a dragon has been known to allow his prey further without first having his prey fully inside his throat. Swallowing motions are not always present from an external view of the dragon's neck, with their existence seeming to happen more frequently with smaller prey and objects to consume; regardless of outside-visible motions, prey is always affected by peristalsis. There doesn't seem to be a limit as to how long a dragon can keep his prey in his throat, but it must always be a journey from mouth to stomach or vice-versa - hammerspace dragons can't regurgitate while swallowing and vice-versa, although separate things can be swallowed and reach the dragon's stomach(s) at times independent of when they were eaten.
Third is, naturally, the stomach. They can vary widely in size and if they're filled with acids or not. Prey held in a stomach do not necessarily experience outside motion, e.g. a dragon rolling over doesn't cause his prey to turn upside-down, too. He can hear what his prey says if he chooses to listen.

I feel like I'm missing something.

>>44430867
I can get pretty damn weird.

>>44431039
>I can get pretty damn weird.

Like white dragon slow-time breath, and singularity egg weird?

Please elaborate, I fucking love weird.

>>44431107
creepy sex stuff that only people in trailer parks would consider.

>>44431180
Like, to keep it somewhat on topic, body-horror 3.5 ed Dragonborn?

>>44431202
Knowing these people, probably the full body latex shit where they have to breath through a snorkel.

Or a fully delitized dragon bound in tight rubber rope, fully delitized and loving it.

Being a furry is the gateway to all of the sickest fetishes ever conceived of by man.

>>44431039
>I feel like I'm missing something.
Maybe something about how they can select specific objects to regurgitate back up? Doesn't really look like there's anything missing, though the bit about swallowed objects can reach the stomach at different rates does seem odd

>>44431180
I am not uninterested in said weirdness then

>>44428700
Being in a pocket dimension, the base itself is completely secure, but there is a risk of the pocket collapsing if the dragon gets hurt. A dragon of any size is likely able to protect itself from wildlife, but using the base would be risky in a dungeon.

Of course, using the vendors would still be possible from outside; the dragon could simply tell them to pass out whatever you needed, so it's not really a problem apart from resting and transport.

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I like them as forces of natures and elementals.

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>>44431392
>Old mountain yells at cloud
>>44430966

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>>44431107
Unfortunately, I'm shit at balancing, so my designs are primarily ideas only, or at best story characters. Obviously there's that theory on how hammerspace dragons work, but I also like the idea of, say, a Charm-breath dragon - not the actual spell, but sort of a breath that, depending on potency (dragon's intent combined with weapon concentration), can be anywhere from a mild influence ("Oh, that's a tough choice. Try left first.") to Charm Person, up to a more powerful Suggestion (longer-lasting, takes multiple commands that could involve obvious harm) if hit at close range by an experienced dragon; extended exposure can instill a lasting trust and/or obedience.
Also, a variant on time dragons, a dragon who can sort of send his actions forwards in time - in battle, a slash of his claw might pass through the party's tank, later striking near or at the wizard when the group advances (and later making another slash that connects as it's made instead of on a delay), or a rock flies from behind the party, as the dragon had moved to throw it into the center of the room before maneuvering around to the other side. Or, in calmer situations, he could appear to use telekinesis by "calling something to his paw" that he had picked up a couple of minutes earlier and only now was affected by the motion. And of course, he can unnerve people by desynchronizing his voice with his mouth by a short period of time, or speaking wordlessly just before overlapping with his own voice. This dragon can't see the future, at least not naturally, although mannerisms an fighting styles can occasionally convince people that he can.

>>44431646
Hammertime dragons?

>>44431646
Well in 5e hacking together a Gold Dragon with Slowing Breath and Sphix Lair actions make for a good Time Dragon.

I'm looking to make some kind of Frenzy Breath, like rage but not quite, any ideas?

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I'd rather enchant a super bag of holding to also be a dragon than make a dragon also a demiplane.

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>>44430233
>Cartoons when i was a kid made me afraid of toxic waste more than anything.
Looking back I do owe a lot of nightmares to Ren and Stimpy.

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>>44431956
You must be younger than me. We had real traumatic cartoons in my day. Ren and stimpy was weird at best.

I should make some webms from Don Bluth movies.

>>44432020

> (pic)

That movie was terrifying as a small kid.

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>>44431512

>>44432236

Yes it was. Frankly, kids these days need to see something like that. It's character building.

>YOU CAN NEVER COME BACK!

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>>44431272
>how they can select specific objects to regurgitate back up?
Really fine muscle control, I guess. For things they know they'll have to get back up frequently, that's where having an unknown number of alternate stomachs comes in.
>swallowed objects can reach the stomach at different rates does seem odd
Similar to how the stomachs aren't necessarily all the same one, that's sort of how the throat works, except the dragon's throat always has the same size: slightly snug around its prey in width, and as long as the dragon wants it to be in length.

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>>44370377
>Cute fuck buddies?

You've got it.

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>>44432312
Why not just riding a cute dragon? Like this one here, who's clearly enjoying a spirited conversation with the human.

>>44432296
>Similar to how the stomachs aren't necessarily all the same one
I'll admit to not liking that idea, giving dragons multiple disconnected stomachs seems...out of concept I guess? Like an ability a dragon shouldn't have? It just seems oddly out of place to me

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>>44432312
What if it's the other way around?~

>>44432446
It's a thinly veiled contrivance for a vore fic.

>>44432446
So is harmlessly consuming something many times bigger than your entire body. The multiple stomachs thing could be replicated as just one big one that the dragon has remarkable control over, although I really like the thought of a dragon tucking someone away for the night in a smallish stomach just large enough to comfortably sleep in. Plus, this explanation is easy to apply to... other entrances.

>>44432539
It's veiled? But yeah, it started out as pure vore and then I continued to think about it in scenarios that aren't purely fetishy (at least for me).

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>>44432467
>it will never be translated.

This is worse than missing the date for Gunbuster.

>>44432539
Vorefic would work just as well with one stomach though

>>44432589
Meh, still feels odder than a tiny dragon swallowing something bigger than it, I just prefer one nondimensional stomach the dragon has very persuade control over (and similar things got other orifices)
But do what you will, it's just my opinion on the matter

>>44432404
That's Iskierka, not Temeraire.

>>44432467
Dammit, why is there so little Toothless/Astrid stuff? I mean, I see why people ship Toothless with his human, but I really like the idea of the tough Viking warrior girl being absolutely dominated by a dragon.

>>44432692
I might adopt that theory, actually. I hadn't heard it prior to this thread, but it works out well, with the possible exception of retrieving some things at will from tight dragoness pussy.

>>44432696
It's more likely that a boy's ass could fit that dick than a girl's vag.

Plus it's depicted as funrape between toothless/hiccup

>>44432757
>Very precise muscular control

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aaaand Image limit=destroyed, new thread when?

>>44432826
So take her through the ass, then. Or Toothless is actually careful enough to not injure his current mate. Never really understood that other point, though.

>>44433236
It'll probably keep getting bumped for a while. Threads about dragons usually keep going on fetish fuel until near the bump limit.

>>44433236
Sometime before the next 27 posts I assume

Also, at home now, will try stating up hammerspace dragons like I said I would, kinda want to see nclude age categories though, what are some good spell like abilities for them to develop as they age?

>>44433301
IIRC, they have endless tongues and stuff. Maybe an ability based on that? Also, give them some form of stealth ability to avoid predators and sneak up on prey, as well as possibly a hypnotic gaze? Plus, older dragons would tend to have access to more things stored in their stomachs that they could use, possibly bringing something up as a move if not minor action.

>>44433502
I was thinking having the breath weapon be a sticky tongue attack, charm's something I was thinking about throwing in, hadn't thought of stealth abilities though

Would wings be anything other than a detriment under water? I've seen that trope so many times. Wouldn't they be heavy without feathers? Would one really use them as fins?

>>44433798
Yeah, it's a small dragon that likes to prey on large things that it wouldn't necessarily win a fair fight against. Encounters might start with the dragon ensnaring someone from a stealthed position, then, depending on how things go, either attempting to eat them (multiple levels of escape checks as more is pulled in, severely limited things the dragon can do while eating) or landing a few hits and attempting to escape out of detection.
A character eaten by the dragon can't escape through normal means, but through diplomacy if they can convince it before the character dies. Or if they kill the dragon first, maybe give them a sidequest or something to retrieve them from whatever limbo the character wound up in. In a more difficult campaign, maybe letting the dragon eat the character fully is instant death for the character.

>>44431512
>Get off my lawn!

>>44434045
Huh, looking back it seems I've already stated them out, no age catigories though, I'm drawing a blank of what they should have anyway but I'll keep thinking on this

How does what I've already done look to everyone though?

Hammerspace dragon
TN Tiny dragon
Init +2; Senses darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision; Perception +6
DEFENSE
AC 20, touch 16, flat-footed 16 (+4 Dex, +4 natural, +2 size)
hp 58 (8d12+6)
Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +9
Immune paralysis, sleep; SR 18
OFFENSE
Speed 20 ft., fly 60 ft. (perfect)
Melee bite +13 (1d6+1)
Space 2-1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.
STATISTICS
Str 13, Dex 18, Con 13, Int 15, Wis 17, Cha 16
Base Atk +8; CMB +12; CMD 21
Languages Draconic, common
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Swallow whole (Su)
2d6, AC 12, 5 hp
A hammerspace dragon may swallow up to colossal sized targets and may hold any amount of prey within itself
Should a swallowed target cut it's way out, it is dumped into the astral plane
Additionally a Hammerspace dragon may choose not deal digestion damage to target creatures or items

Gaze (Su)
As charm person, 30 feet, Will DC 17 negates. The save DC is Charisma-based.
Provided it goes slow, (no less than one full round per size category the target is greater than the Hammerspace Dragon, minimum 1 round, the Hammerspace Dragon's swallow whole attack does not count as an suicidal or obviously harmful action)

Limitless gullet (Su)
A Hammerspace Dragon's insides are not unlike a bag of holding, with the exception that it has effectively infinite carrying capacity, retrieving a specific item it has eaten is a full-round action for a Hammerspace Dragon

>>44434366
>harmful action)
That parenthesis should probably be after "minimum 1 round" rather than at the end of the line.
Also, maybe give it a tongue attack like you suggested as its way of grappling something into its mouth? Swallow Whole, at least on the wiki, requires the target to be held in the predator's mouth on starting the turn.

...which also means a hammerspace dragon could swallow anything (incl. Colossal) in not more than six seconds (1 turn), right? Speedy little guys.

>>44434593
>That parenthesis should probably be after "minimum 1 round" rather than at the end of the line.
Point

>Also, maybe give it a tongue attack like you suggested as its way of grappling something into its mouth? Swallow Whole, at least on the wiki, requires the target to be held in the predator's mouth on starting the turn.
Maybe something like a roper's ranged grapple attack?

>Speedy little guys.
Yeah, I sorta had the image of one slurping up something a lot bigger than it in mind when I wrote that

>>44435235
>roper
Yeah, that's a good idea. And since it's small, possibly do something like LoL's Thresh and let it instead follow its tongue to its target at a faster rate, rather than reeling them in.
And the speed thing is actually pretty cool to imagine, now that I think about it. Imagining a tiny little dragon cutely biting on the tip of a Ha-Naga's tail, then quickly slurping it into its mouth like a big noodle is hilarious.

>>44421174
>>44426438
Bretty gud. Would read more.

>>44433301
>>44433297
bump for new thread when?

>>44436818
When someone makes it, my pic folder is unsorted so I don't feel like spending an hour or two finding a SFW dragon pic to start it with, someone else do it

>>44435572
Snakeghetti.

>>44437581
I tend to just sort my dragons into NSFW, SFW, and vore. Not too complicated, and makes for easy browsing depending on my interests at the time.

>>44437618
I sort nothing
NOTHING

>>44437618
>vore
good god, of all the things I wouldn't want found on my computer, dragon vore is chief among them, why would you even save that shit in the first place?

>>44437618
Most of my NSFW stuff is vore though

>>44435572
May do something like later, but still drawing a blank on stating it for age categories, but anyway, sleep now, then work, then maybe try to do it, but will probably need a new thread for that

>>44440548
wake up, write more

>>44442568
At work, I'll do it later

>>44442879
Is no one gonna make a new thread? I'm on my phone and got no pics

>>44444925

I got it.

>>44445296
(What was >44444444, by the way?)

>>4444444

>>44395718
RIFTS supports dragon hatchling characters. They're pretty powerful in combat and decent at magic.