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Essential 40k films

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So /tg/ since the only cannon 40k only movie is shit why don't we make a list of some amazing "not 40k" 40k films that everyone should watch. I'll go ahead and list my suggestions starting with the most obvious

Starship Troopers -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y07I_KER5fE

Event Horizon -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THxBHDsgTDw

Frankensteins army -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMUQ2IMuz8o

I'd like to hear any other movies /tg/ would add to this list.
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So, noone has any other suggestions at all?
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>>44324394
The original judge dredd with stalone is necromunda with adeptus arbites
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>>44324394
Not a film but I've begun to wonder how much of an impact Babylon 5 had on 40k writers, specifically in respect to the Tau being reminiscent of the Minbari.

Worth a watch.
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Mad Max if you're running anything related to Gorkamorka.
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Event Horizon, or more affectionately known as, 'What happens when your Geller Field malfunctions'.

Brace your space-anus for warp travel, cunts.
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>>44324711
I shittied myself when I watched it for the first time few months ago, then the idea of the Geller Field struck me like a motherfucker
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>>44324711

This is what happens when I read the first line and get over-excited.

Don't mind me,
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Hive world unsuccessfully repels a genestealers infestation
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>>44324394
>watched with friends
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>>44325016
That was an exceptionally shitty movie.
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i would throw out the book "A Mote in Gods Eye" for inspiring the whole rise and fall and slow rise of the human empire again, complete with genetically altered supermen
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>>44325101
Then it's in good company alongside Judge Dress, Starship Troopers and Event Horizon.
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>>44325101
They also completely disregarded most of the source material for the license they aquired.
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Not sure how it's 40k related, but Equilibrium would probably be a pretty good movie for anyone that likes 40k
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>>44325308
Equilibrium is the exact same kind of style-over-substance design that makes 40k enjoyable, just in a slightly different direction. You could do a lot worse.
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>>44325350
I think I have it now
>Eversor feels something other than rage.
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>>44325308
>Eversor feels something other than rage and sees that the planet he has been on has fallen to Chaos.
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>>44325308
It would work on an Eldar Craftworld where they decided to censor feels.
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>>44324711
More like "What happened the first time Humanity built a warp drive and no-one knew you needed a Geller Field at all." But yeah.
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>>44325266
The only time our group outright refused to play in someones game was when they said their were running the setting based on the movie.

He also wanted us to use Shadowrun rules for it so that didnt help.
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>>44325243
You have incredibly shit taste
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>>44325513
Why would he do that?
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>>44325583
He likes really shitty movies and books and will write even worse stories based off of them.
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>>44324394
I'm a big fan of the book of Starship troopers, But how does the movie fit into this?
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>>44325636
Worse shit taste than a friend of mine that loves all the American Pie movies and Twilight?
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>>44324394
treasure planet. rogue trader-the film
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>>44325667
Trust me, it is probably worse.

I have never met another human being get a hand drawn porn scene blown up and put on a shirt then explain the scene to people who stare at it.
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>>44325713
What?
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>>44325189
Stole a LOT from Asimov's Foundation as well.
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>>44325754
Twi'lek Shemales, lightsaber handle used as dildos.

That is the tame part.
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>>44325637
The movie is pretty much Nids vs IG. There are psykers and an oppressive government.
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>>44325308
Movie was so fucking shit. Pretty much a huge rip off of Brave New World, Faherenheit 451 and 1984
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>>44325775
Can't say that anyone in my social circle would do that. I guess you win in having more awkward friends than me.
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>>44325775
Go on...
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>>44325781
How do you get the idea that the Federation is oppressive from Starship Troopers?
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>>44325832
>watching it for the story
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>>44325865
Well I certainly won't rewatch it for those fight scenes. Anime tier action desu
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>>44325943
The action is the only part worth watching. I want someone to cut it all out and put it in a music video.
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>>44325832
You mean like every dystopian future with an authoritarian regime trying to control the population?

Though I thought BNW and Fahrenheit were less about the government forced censorship and more about the popular opinion demanding anything too difficult and emotional to be banned (you know, like what we're seeing to day with the safe spaces and people wanting to scrap the freedom of speech because of their feels).
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>>44326021
Fahrenheit was all about government forced censorship m8
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M.D Geist, if you tell me other wise your wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-EnE8y48Wo

Just watch this if you want a quick Essence of the most dangerous solder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKb4Wjkenws
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>>44325582
I'm sorry, you're not actually trying to argue that any of these movies are good, are you?
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>>44326053
Isn't Farenheit about government sanctioned censorship of information?

Also, when did you people realise that /tg/ has pretty shit taste in movies and books?
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>>44326053
Not according to the author:
http://www.laweekly.com/news/ray-bradbury-fahrenheit-451-misinterpreted-2149125
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>>44326120
Meant to respond to >>44326021
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>>44325857
In the movie it was because of all the fascist iconography, the military being the true force in the country and the use of a false flag operation to start the war with the bugs.
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>>44326165
>the use of a false flag operation to start the war with the bugs

[citation needed]
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>>44325943
>not being able to enjoy action scenes
>not being able to have fun

You know you're allowed to have fun sometimes, right? Kick back and relax, man
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>>44326189
Don't. It's just some shitty theory that for some reason 4chin seem to accept as law despite no evidence at all.

>>44326196
fuck off you window licking pleb, go back to watching your Chinese cartoons
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>>44326196
Moreover, choreography and cinematography are arts like any other, and a well choreographed, well shot action scene can have as much artistic merit as a moment of quiet drama. You just look at it differently is all; I mean, you wouldn't say that the Mona Lisa is bad art because it's a terrible, flat sculpture that doesn't make enough use of the third dimension.
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>>44326148
Not gonna lie, that explanation he gives doesn't make a lot of sense. Think Bradberry was going senile at the time of the interview, either that or he just sucks ass at getting his true point across in 451
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>>44326255
dude they let the bugs hit earth
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>>44326302
>I reject your reality and substitute my own

Remember in the book when the protagonist reads something to some people and they're shocked and distraught, not because "that's contraband" but for the content and the feels it gives? Think they even talk about protecting people from such emotional outbursts.

It might not come out very well, but can we find anything from the author saying that it is about governmental censorship? Surely Huxley wasn't the only one who had the idea that it's the people who censor themselves. Though Fahrenheit is in between, since the government is all too happy to comply with the popular demand. But don't remember the book saying it's done because of evil population control purposes.
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>>44325582
Starship Troopers was awful. Fun, but awful.
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>>44326021
>Not about government forced censorship
>popular opinion demanding anything too difficult and emotional to be banned
>be banned

Anon, you do realize that the government is what bans things, right?
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>>44326364
No they didn't, the Roger Young had it's communications knocked out and couldn't warn Earth about the asteroid
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>>44326364
You do remember Roger Young first encountering the asteroid, which results in them losing their communications array and not being able to warn Earth.

I seem to remember even the commentary from the director talking about the hypocrisy of humans in calling it an unprovoked attack, when earlier in the film you have stuff like humans setting up colonies in bug space, but when the bugs retaliate, it's "we din do nuffin!"
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>>44326508
Banned due to popular opinion. The people wanted the ban and got it.

Or have you not seen all the student protests demanding stuff they don't like banned from universities and the administrations just bending over to their will? Not all bans are because of big bad government wants to control you.
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>>44326586
Yes, but my point is that they're using the government to enforce their ban. The motivation for the censorship is beside the point, the fact is that in these cases government power is being used to censor things.

Big government is dangerous, whether it's acting on the will of one tyrant or on the will of the tyranny of the majority.
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>>44326255
>despite no evidence at all.

Using current technology we could detect and plot the trajectory of that asteroid long before it hit. The idea that an advanced civilization with significant space presence couldn't detect or stop it, even after the asteroid damaged a ship long before it hit, implies that they let the asteroid hit for a casus belli.
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>>44326510
>>44326531

The Roger Young was capable of FTL travel and its engines weren't knocked out.
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>>44326645
They would also have time to warn people about the astroid the moment it shows up near the solar system.
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>>44325101
On it's own? Eh. It was a mediocre action flick. But if you viewed it with 40k goggles on, it was great.
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>>44326635
Actually most of the protests that the other anon are talking about are pretty explicitly going after private institutions because otherwise they'd run headlong into First Amendment issues. Fahrenheit 451 is simply a world where those people got elected to office.
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300+mental gymnastics
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>>44326645
>even after the asteroid damaged a ship long before it hit

Preventing it from signaling Earth. It's even said in the movie that they can't communicate when the captain orders them to warn Earth.

Face it, anon, shit happens. Plenty of things that should have been preventable have happened without any tin foil shenanigans. If they needed reason to attack bugs, why not the Port Joe Smith massacre?
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What's the name of that film where the protag gets captured and he thinks he's being rescued and escapes to live in the country with his waifu, when instead it's like his mind playing out a dream as he dies or something in the torture chamber or something.
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>>44326721
no one cares what happens to Mormons
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>>44326709
Fair enough.

I hate people who think they have any right to a "safe space" from ideas they don't like. Ironically, I get bombarded with insults because I'm a white Christian lolbertarian Southerner. I don't demand that people be banned from saying bad things about me.

Funny how the only groups that are okay to shit on are the groups least likely to riot and hurt people.
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>>44325101
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>>44326635
>using the government to enforce their ban

Exactly.

It's not 1984 where the government is doing it for their own sake. And it's not BNW either, where it's more just about people not caring about it and wanting to live in blissful ignorance. It's in the middle. The people want ignorance and demand the government to keep to do it.

>>44326709
They go for colleges because it's the closest to them. But the fact that people have already been convicted for disagreeing with someone on the internet, shows you that it can spill out to the rest of society just as well.
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>>44326645
The Bugs blasted an asteroid out of it's original path towards earth, that why they weren't able to detect it anon.

>>44326669
we don't know how FTL works in Starship Troopers. Maybe they could jump to the Pluto or something because an in system jump is dangerous, and they still wouldn't have been in time
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>>44326721
Because ultimately that massacre was the result of a group of what is portrayed in universe as religious nutjobs went out to a planet where they knew the Bugs would retaliate and got killed for it. Enough to drum up feelings, but not enough for launch a war.
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>>44326856
So basically what >>44326769 said?
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>>44326856
Well, Argentinians are glad to know they're more respected than Mormons.
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>>44326856
Pretty much this. If the pilgrims had gotten massacred by the native Americans, England's response would have been "well that's what you get, you blimey gits." And then they'd have gone back to drinking their fish, and eating their tea.
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>>44326856
Everything said on the news in the Starship Troopers is for propaganda reasons.
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>>44326957
Can you elaborate?

I want to know more.
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>>44326957
That's just propaganda, don't believe it.
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>>44326952
>>44326952
England would have fucking cheered, we got rid of those puritan cuntbags for a reason
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>>44326364
Dude, America let those planes hit the WTC
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>>44327175
Actually, no. Puritans weren't kicked out, this is history that USA is taught wrong.

They didn't leave due to England being dicks to them and persecuting them (though, as I said, this is a lie to build up to the revolution for American kids) but they LEFT ON THEIR OWN so they could form their own country SO THEY COULD PERSECUTE PEOPLE.

King James had made a law that you can't go and murder a Jew, Muslim, Catholic or any other Christian just because they don't follow your faith. The Puritans hated this, so they left to form their own country so they could murder any Jew (didn't work) and Muslims (didn't work) and so on without being executed by the state for doing it.
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>>44327191
Americas's goverment also let Pear Harbor happen.
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>>44326818
We currently track slightly less than 14,000 asteroids. As for FTL, all the have to do is travel to the nearest place with interstellar communication.

>>44326814
Gotta love the complete lack self-awareness that comes with claiming to be disadvantaged and unprivileged while attending the Ivy League.
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>>44327191
This is likely true, actually. CIA and all knew a terrorist attack was coming, but didn't know in what form. It's likely the powers that be decided to let whatever was going to happen, happen, then invade. In the end I think it was a bigger attack than they expected.

9/11 wasn't an inside job. It was, at worst, not acted upon.
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>>44327236
In England they celebrate Thanksgiving based on the puritans leaving.
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>>44326806
Pretty much this to be honest family
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>>44327249
Wasn't Buddha like royalty or something? I guess when you got your life set, you can just sit under a tree and look down on materialism and shit.
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>>44327289
They don't, cause I live in England and we don't celebrate shit.

It's an event which is mentioned, we don't celebrate anybody leaving. Puritains left on their own to form a country where they could do what they want.

Of course, this got in the way of business and the Founding Fathers then started the revolution to keep their pockets lined. But it was worth it for England (Britain by that point) as it meant bankrupting France into a revolution of their own, destroying Spains relationship with France and Netherlands as well. Thou they were less harmed by it.
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>>44327281
This is true. My dad worked for air port security in the early 2000's and they had memos and reports for 6 mothers before 9/11 saying that Bin Laden and Al Queda were planning something and they need to amp up security.

>>44327236
Then why did the Catholics leave England? I know for a fact Maryland was founded as a haven for Catholics so they wouldn't be persecuted.
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>>44327323

Bruh he abandoned that life to be a wandering beggar.
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>>44327337
30 years war, protestant/catholic relations were at their worst then
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>>44327323
Siddhartha Gautama was a prince who abandoned princedom after realising that it didn't make him or anyone happy, and instead pursued an ascetic lifestyle.

Other Buddhas have different origin stories. Your station in life doesn't dictate your ability to find enlightenment.
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>>44326766
Are you talking about brazil?
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>>44327416
Was he unable to return to it if things didn't work out?

>>44327472
Then I guess we can't judge all the ivy league college students of rich background shitting on others for their privileges.
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>>44327236

Blimey. Can you say what that law was please. And does this mean that it was legal for individuals to kill other individuals on this ground before.
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>>44327559
Siddhartha found his meaning in life and decided it was more important to help other people also find this enlightment then go back to being nobility.
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>>44327512
Yeah! That's it. Thanks man.

Is that 40kish? Seems grimdark, especially since the "bad guys" win.
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>>44327236

What's the Oath of Allegiance, Yankee boy?
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>>44327633
kinda not really at all lol.
Still a really good movie though.
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>>44327243
Incorrect. America was already prepared for a Japanese attack as we figured war with the Empire of Japan was a foregone conclusion. However, we expected and prepared for Japanese sabotage which left us in a pretty bad condition for an air raid.
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>>44327705
That's probably more likely. I just echoed an old conspiracy theory.
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>>44327559
Sure we can, because they're hypocrites. Siddhartha acknowledged his privileges and then deliberately abandoned them. He probably could have gone back to being a prince if things didn't work out, but even doing so he would have been aware just what it was he was going back to, and would have known that going back was a failure of his own principles. And anyway, he didn't go back even when it did get tough living like a beggar. Instead, he had a spiritual epiphany in his lowest moment and found enlightenment.

Budai, the Laughing Buddha you see in Chinese restaurants all the time, was originally a monk, who never had a princedom to reject, and still found enlightenment.
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>>44327617
Shit, I can't. All I know is that specifically Puritans left to persecute. I'm not saying that people didn't come to America to avoid persecution, I'm just saying Puritans came to persecute.

They didn't come on the Mayflower either, they didn't land at Plymouth Rock.
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>>44327559
>Then I guess we can't judge all the ivy league college students of rich background shitting on others for their privileges.

The difference being that Buddha didn't demand culturally sensitive cafeteria food or a "princes only" safe space. He gave up his worldly possessions, sat down under a tree, found enlightenment, then spent the rest of his days wandering around helping others to find enlightenment as he did.

>>44327633
>>44327650
It's kinda 40k-ish in the sense that the entire movie hinges on a corrupt, inefficient, and lazy bureaucracy.
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Getting back to the topic, Dune for that feudal schizo-tech feeling; the intro by the princess in particular reminds me of 40K.
Also, Jupiter Ascending. Pretty bad, but the elaborate, highly decorated spaceships with space nobility on them fit as well.
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Am I the only one who really didn't like the Starship Troopers movie? It missed everything that made the book good. Instead of having the Mobile Infantry made up of dudes in suits of armor with shoulder mounted nuke launchers, you had a bunch of squishy grunts who despite being in a warzone had fabulous haircuts.

I felt that a lot of the characterization was done wrong too. Rico in the movie was a blond haired blue eyed white man instead of Hispanic, and you had men and women sharing showers for no apparent reason. The way that the ships were segregated in the book was much more realistic in my opinion, if you can consider anything about military spaceships to be realistic at all.
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>>44324394
Did /tg/ like Frank's Army? Me and my roommates sat through it and then immediately turned on each other afterwards; throwing the blame of whose idea it was to watch such a travesty.
I would have said it was ON PAR with "Ultramarines"
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>>44327618
Didn't answer my question. If he tried his enlightenment and it turned out to not be what he wanted, could he have returned to being nobility?
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>>44327849
You missed the point of the movie.
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>>44327855
You and your friends sound like huge faggots. You are also in fact, the first person I've ever heard shit on the movie, ever.
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>>44327915
Good lord. The hate. Did you work on the movie or something...?
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>>44327899
Was the point to take a completely unrelated script, change some names and also a distinguished title on it to increase its public recognition?

Because if that's the point - and I'm pretty sure it is - then, yeah, I got it.
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>>44326818
Bugs don't have FTL travel in the movie-verse. It's very strongly implied to be a false-flag to start the war.
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>>44327893
He probably wouldn't have settled with being nobility because it didn't make him happy.
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>>44327932
>The hate.
What hate? I'm just saying you are the first out of 50+ people I've discussed this movie with who has had a negative opinion on it.
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>>44327893
I'm no expert in ancient Near East inheritance issues, but I assume that whether or not he could return to being nobility would hinge entirely on the person in charge. Besides, the point isn't whether or not he could have returned to the way he lived, it's that he put his money where his mouth was and actually spent years as a mendicant wanderer. He had legit experience what it was like to live on the other side.

>>44327855
If you couldn't tell by the trailer that it was b-movie schlock then you only have yourselves to blame.
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>>44327932
> You and your friends sound like huge faggots
> What hate?
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>>44326952
Weren't the pilgrims Dutch?
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>>44324394

Why has no art fags made their own shorts?
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>>44328030
no, the dutch equivalent to the Puritans stayed home and shat on everyone else, the dutchmen in the new world were merchants (just like everywhere other than the low countries)
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>>44328009
Can you stop posting dumb meme shit just because you don't actually have an argument.
You asked a question, just because the answer you got wasn't the one you wanted doesn't mean people are baiting.
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>>44325832
>Ripoff of seminal novels from the 20's, 40's and 50's.

I bet you hate Brazil too, huh?
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>>44327915
But both are legitimately bad movies, even if you are a fan of 40K.
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>>44327956
It was a completely unrelated script that had the Starship Troopers name attached to it by the studio to head off any potential lawsuits. You're acting like Starship Troopers is a distinguished, massively recognized title.

The film itself is a satire of self-glorifying war films, particularly the sanitized, cliche-ridden, jingoistic war films. After the Starship Troopers name was attached they added very clear critical rebuttals to the book.
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>>44327849
>Rico in the movie was a blond haired blue eyed white man instead of Hispanic
splitting hairs but juan rico was pinoy, not hispanic
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>>44327849
CASPER VAN DIEN IS A SAINT!!!
HOW DARE YOU!!!
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>>44328138
>After the Starship Troopers name was attached they added very clear critical rebuttals to the book.
...you haven't read it, have you?
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>>44328030
They sailed from the Netherlands, where communities of them were allowed, because the Netherlands were one of the most religiously tolerant countries. Which was because they had gained their independence from the Spanish in a war that sparked from religious intolerance. The Puritans are a wholly English sect, and in fact left for the New World to maintain their English heritage.
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>>44327981
What if he realized being a poor shit made him even less happy? Or he learned to enjoy the life he had and not be something else?

Point is, if he could have returning to a life of luxury, you think that would have enabled him to be more carefree, since he always had a safety net to fall into if being a poorfag didn't work out?

>>44328001
>hinge entirely on the person in charge

Or his family. Surely they don't lose their status just because one shit decides to be poor. He might have not picked up right from where he left off, but are we saying there would have been no one who cared enough of them, even as mere blood relative sense, to take him in and let him resume his former life?

>the point isn't whether or not he could have returned to the way he lived

But that's the point I'm asking. If things didn't work out, could he have returned?
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>>44328271
>Point is, if he could have returning to a life of luxury, you think that would have enabled him to be more carefree, since he always had a safety net to fall into if being a poorfag didn't work out?
It wasn't the fucking information age, he couldn't just call daddy on his iPhone.
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>>44328271
depends on why they don't work out, and how long it takes
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>>44328378
and on the setting
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>>44328374
Are you saying in no time in human history, prior to the invention of the iPhone, has a person of high status run off to not be high status, and then returned back to being high status?
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>>44325637
Book is atrocious, movie actually fun. As you can probably guess, they aren't really close. Thankfully.
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>>44328461
Nice strawman you've constructed there.
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>>44328193
Any government in which participation is restricted to a select subset of the population and for which the majority of that subset is military is a de facto military junta by virtue of voter and politician demographics and overriding special interests. The book presents this as a good thing, citing that government participation is reserved for only those willing to sacrifice and work for the common good creates an electorate and politicians that aren't self-serving. The movie presents it as a system that systematically disenfranchises the majority of the population while extolling service, and implied submission, to the ruling party and creates a system that allows only those who have shown to be rigidly adherent to the government to have a say in it.

The book is highly utopian; the movie highly dystopian.
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>>44328597
>The book is highly utopian; the movie highly dystopian.
correct, but this doesn't make verhoeven anything but a hamfisted filmmaker.

i guess i took "clear" rebuttals to mean "well-throught out" ones
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>>44328593
I think you meant to quote >>44328374
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>>44328271
Siddharta cared about the human condition and wanted to find a way to end suffering. He wouldn't had been happy sitting in a mansion getting shitfaced every day because he wanted to fix the world. You can't do that if you go and hide from the world.
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>>44328597
>the movie highly dystopian

How is it dystopian? I mean, nothing stops you from joining and serving to earn your citizenship. I didn't see anything oppressing the civilians.
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>>44328668
Verhoeven decided to make the Starship Troopers movie a parody on old WW2 propaganda movies. He didn't care about the book at all, and after started reading it found it depressing and he out it down.
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>>44328742
He read it? Wasn't the story he got bored like 1/4 through and then had somebody ELSE sum it up for him?
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>>44328271
Probably not. We're not talking leisure class here, he was a potential ruler who abdicated his duties and left the line of succession. This is also taking place during a time where you'd more than likely have to kill a sibling or cousin at some point to secure your claim to the throne. There is a chance that he would be taken back, but he'd never have his old station. Abdication is literally the refusal of your status of birth.
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>>44328739
The schools teaches political ideology and brainwashes children into accepting one truth.
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>>44328762
Yeah, I meant to write that he put it down after he started reading it, but I'm lazy and autocorrect is an annoying feature.
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>>44328762
He read the first two chapters. The screenwriter did read the book.

>>44328739
In the book the military is stated to be primarily a bunch of busywork made dangerous for the express point of discouraging people from attempting.

>>44328668
Heinlein is equally as preachy.
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>>44328597
it ultimately misses that the real problem isn't with who to give the franchise to, but that Democracy itself is an inherently flawed means of governance, the Golden Mean Fallacy writ large
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>>44325243
You shut your whore mouth, you philistine.
Because, that's like your opinion man!
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I use Danger 5 as inspiration for a lot of Dark Heresy scenarios and characters
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>>44324394
Many years ago there were plans to adapt Bloodquest as an animated movie/series. It would had been a much more solid story than the terribly mediocre and ugly Ultramarines movie.
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The Banshee Chapter.

A journalist who a experimental drug that can open ones mind to the warp. Daemonic possessions, complete with modifying the body to suit the Neverborns needs ensures.
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>>44328138
>The film itself is a satire of self-glorifying war films, particularly the sanitized, cliche-ridden, jingoistic war films.
I'm not sure that's entirely the point of the movie. Verhoeven himself served in the military and tends to make the kind of violent, cliche-ridden films that are tied to the jingoist mindset.

Starship Troopers isn't any different. It's a fun movie that really does capture a feeling of glory in war. It's easy to recognise how silly the feeling is, with how exaggerated the characters and situations are, but that doesn't really change the fact that the it's there. It shows just how exciting and fun fanaticism and violence are while at the same time presenting them as ludicrously unrealistic.

Whether or not Verhoeven intended it the product is something that laughs more at the audience than at any specific political body. It's all about the forces inside us that get all whipped up when we see big guns and an army of baddies. The focus isn't on the government or the greater conflict but on the young people who get caught up in the sensational drama of war. The intended audience isn't the high minded philosopher types ether, it's a schlocky action flick for people who want fun. The only major difference between this and most other war films is that it makes the justification for it's conflict very flimsy. So flimsy that almost anyone could see that what this movie makes them feel is both wonderful and totally impractical.

It's actually an understanding but cautionary tale: violence and jingoism are incredibly fun but not necessarily sane or useful.
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>>44328271
Short answer no. >>44328774
the family murdering here being one reason, another is the rigid caste system, and the expected adherence to hit. The second he touched a commoner he would have been forever bared from any position of nobility.
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this thread needs to not die
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>>44328782
They don't teach about history and society in your schools? Nobody's being punished for not agreeing with the system. Razak explains the philosophy behind the system of government and corrects any misconceptions that the students might have about it.

>>44328832
>In the book the military is stated to be primarily a bunch of busywork made dangerous for the express point of discouraging people from attempting.

So, in the book they actively discourage people from moving up in society, and it's lauded as a utopia, but in the movie you're encouraged to become a citizen and it's a dystopia?
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>>44331069
Well that's a way better answer than "cuz he don't like it." Thanks.
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