Sororitas Appreciation Thread?

>>44313819
New codex never

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>>44314093
Life is pain.

>>44313948
Dammit, Luth, more when?

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>>44314110

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Anyone got any homebrewed Sisters?

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>>44314369
ugh....

work on it, please.

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>>44314653
work on what?

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>>44314653
10/10, would be converted by

>>44314708
When did the Sororitas resort to cloning to fill out their ranks? I see an acute case of sameface in this picture.

>>44314972
Annually, each convent selects one man to breed with. The male children are given to the Schola Progenium while the females are kept within the convent.

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>>44314972
Well, there are only like 3 models of any unit type.

>>44315037
is this true? the fuck

>>44315186
It can be if you want it to be, anon. It's a big galaxy with many strange and wonderful human customs. Follow your dreams.

>>44314369
There was some discussion about a couple homebrew ideas last thread. Like Gargoyle Snipers or Melta-lance Bikers, if I recall.

Anyone else remember the Order of Bloody Lightning /tg/ made like a year ago? I always assumed it'd come back after people went crazy for Fury Road. I miss those Burqa Biker Bolter Bitches.

>>44315186
I literally just made it up. But it sounds like it could maybe be canon, doesn't it?

I'm sure there is at least one Order Militant that does this.

>>44314909
is there a story to this pick

>>44315245
Dude, fuck yes. That remains the sexiest name for an organization I've ever heard. Some of the writefaggotry for Maz Maximus was boner-inducing. Biker sisters blasting across a desert of shattered glass and Necron ruins, white-hot plasma raining down in scorching storms of lightning, scouting for any undead machines emerging from their graves so they can do their duty for the Emperor and cut them down where they rise. Gotta go faster or the tyranid tunnelers will scoop you up and rip your guts out. Gotta go faster or the ork bikers will catch you! Gotta go faster so you can ram that Necron dead ahead and crush his ancient, unliving frame into the obsidian storm-glass boiling under the chainsaw tires of your bike!! Faster! Faster! Faster!!!

>>44315245
I think everyone just wanted to make war boy orks after that. But yeah, I remember the Biker Sisters from that were fucking awesome.

>>44315588
>>44315352
>>44315245
>Order of Bloody Lightning
Link?

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>>44315352

>>44315612
Thank god for 4plebs. Never thought I'd find it.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/36785266/

>>44315652
Shit, I can't believe it's been over a year since we did that.

Anyone got any sister on sister appreciation of the holy human form?

>>44314093
No one believes me when I say this, but a greenshirt told me we should be seeing one within a year.

>>44316191

That's literally what people have been saying, every single year, for more than 3 years.

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>>44316234
He told me that all they're waiting for is the plastic model molds to get done. It's taking a while because the metal sisters were so detailed, and they want to stay true to that, that the molds they've been trying didn't work.
The online codex stuff we've been getting has been to tide us over until then.

At least, that's what he told me, claiming he heard it from someone high up on the GW food chain at one of their yearly meetings.

>>44316321

That's a fucking 3 year old rumor you nigger.

>>44316321
I'm fairly certain that's been the basic story for years as well.

If they wanted to tide us over but they're having difficulty with the detail on the infantry, some vehicles would be a great way to fill the gap and show that they're not just ignoring them.

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>>44316372
>>44316369
Would you be suggesting a GW employee has LIED to someone?
GASP!

>>44314909
uhhhh why would a SOB ever hug a space marine helmet for any reason?

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>>44316100
>tried drawing that bedlah powered armor design again.

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>>44317213
>yummy

Can a transgender person become a Battle Sister? If you were a GM would you allow it?

>>44317336
Probably depends on the planet/Order. I'd allow it as long as it didn't dominate your character's entire existence.

>>44317336
I imagine it depends on the planet, what sort of tech. and what social strictures they follow. The Imperium is on the whole grimdark, but it's implied there's decently advanced planets as well.

no as the edict states no man may join, no matter what gender they think they are.... no way around that.

"no men under arms in ecclisarchy" If their half man or anything man their SOL sadly...

>>44317401
Don't be so literally. Follow the spirit of the law. If they transitioned, they are no longer a man.

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>>44317336
Theoretically yes, in practice no.

A Battle Sister is trained for decades, starting when she is raised from childhood in a Schola Progenium and then eventually a Convent. This training is basically pre-K through High School, but also includes combat training, faith lectures, and physical training.

Transgender and gender dysphoria is something that really doesn't show up (in a noticeable or meaningful way) until early teens to early 20's. By that point, the orphan has already chosen their life path.

If you were to have a male-to-female SoB, it would require that they first be diagnosed with gender dysphoria at toddler/pre-K age, then undergo a medical treatment that completely cures them of their gender dysphoria (how each culture does this is up to you, but the easiest is altering hormone systems rather than attempting to craft a whole new body), and that treatment would have to be successful enough to completely change them into a female.

A female-to-male cannot be a SoB because they have to be female by Imperial edict, otherwise it violates treaties.

TL;DR It isn't feasible, and one existing is pretty much on par with a Chaos Marine repenting of his sins and then being granted his own Chapter through bravery level of rarity.

>>44317336
Pretty much >>44317473

If you managed to transition them fully to a female at a young age, then they could get in. Even if they did though, nobody in the situation would have a good reason to mention it or bring it up.

The word is the word, there is no bending of the word. There is only one true way, those who violate its precepts will be be offered their soul unto redemption upon their extermination.

>>44317401
I think the bigger concern on some priests would be mutilating the pure human form. Even though trannies in 40k don't have to worry about shit like "God made you a certain way so you should never change yourself", they still have to worry about "the human form is perfect and the only ones who want to change it are mutants and heretics. So which are you? Both!? Heresy!!!"

But I'm also not sure how widespread that kind of view is. I'm just guessing off of your average Imperial stereotype.

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transgendered the alteration of the human form into some other state of existence is the very taint of the warp itself. There is no room for heresy for those who find themselves consumed by its soul altering aberrations.

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>>44317546
The difference in planetary cultures and sheer number of them means it can be literally anything. It can be completely embraced, it could be a immolatable offense, and everywhere in between.

I would imagine, however, given its rarity, it's either approached as a medical issue (like males developing female breast tissue) or just not understood as a general rule.

>>44317467
>Follow the spirit of the law
>the entire fucking SoB concept is against the spirit of the law

Are you really this fucking retarded?

>>44317546
If they worried about "mutilating the pure human form", they would be at the Admech steely throats all the time.

The humans in 40K, especially the important ones, have all manner of modifications, tubes, and other grim accessories jetting from their bodies. They have no room to judge anyone.

>>44317609
>>the entire fucking SoB concept is against the spirit of the law

I would argue it isn't. Since their existence was a clever way to circumvent the letter of the law.

>>44317621
>they would be at the Admech steely throats all the time.

Not that anon, but the Ecclessiarchy and the AdMech ARE at each others throats all the fucking time.

>>44317621
thats not altering the original state of being of the individual.

>>44317621
I've seen it come up sometimes as a tenet of the Imperial Creed, but obviously one loaded with hypocrisy by the sheer number of bionics across the Imperium.
>>44317642
also this.

>>44317640
>Circumventing the letter of the law
>not against the spirit of the law

>>44313819
She looks like Lady Gaga

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>>44317601
Except the Sisters are more uniform. Sure different convents have different rules, but OVERALL they all march to the same tune.

>>44317473
>Transgender and gender dysphoria
But that would probably be seen as a mutation or worse.

With the fear of Slaanesh and his gift (which include gender alteration), that Sister is going to get burn at the stake.

>>44318751
>transgender seen as mutation
That is the part of it that is the underlying problem since with no modifications the individual is defining themself outside of the divine judgement of the emperor.

thus it would be heresy in one of its more simple forms mayhap.

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>>44318751
>>44318857
>probably seen as a mutation or worse
I don't like that there's someone who says this every time that trans people are brought up in 40k. You are incorrect, anon.

The people of the Imperium are fine with mutation. Ratlings, Ogryns, Squats, even Beastmen are in 40k without it being a Chaotic thing, because those mutations are STABLE.

The mutation that is despised on your average Imperium planet--which are stated to be similar to our own, though with a greater emphasis on religion and militaristic fervor--is the mutation that is unstable and actually caused by Chaos.

If you try and argue that transgendered people or people who suffer gender dysphoria are a mutation, then the problem here is with you, not the setting.

>>44318751
>Slaanesh

Slaanesh is not known to the wider Imperium. It's mentioned that if Slaanesh's presence is known by folks of the Imperium, then entire worlds would descend into depravity and madness.

>>44318751
>>44318857
>transgendered people are Slaaneshi
Slaanesh is the emphasis on excess in all forms. Sexual oddities from our own current norm are not Slaaneshi.

A transgendered person is no more Slaaneshi than a loving and appropriately-handled BDSM relationship between two consenting adults. That being: not really Slaaneshi at all, but you children think it is because it deviates from "missionary position for sole purpose of procreation."

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>>44318869
> Ratlings, Ogryns, Squats, even Beastmen are in 40k without it being a Chaotic thing

Good point, though those individuals are born that way an ogryn doesnt call themself a beastman and a squat would not be an ogryn. The heresy would lie in using a personal declaration to over ride what the biology is through simply using a different name.

Maybe it would work more in the imperial guard though for being a non issue, while in SM or SOB chapters it wouldnt work out the same?

>>44318980
>an ogryn doesnt call themself a beastman and a squat would not be an ogryn
This is a far better argument than I would expect out of 4chan, but I still think you're thinking too far on the extreme end of things.

Someone who is born in a male body calling themselves a woman because that's how they feel is not nearly as extreme as identifying as a literal different subspecies.

Whether or not it's accepted will probably vary from world to world and from community to community, but in my personal opinion that people of the Imperium have far more to worry about than we do, and have learned to set certain things aside for their own safety.

Do you think we'd go on arguing about whether or not homosexuals can marry if we had to fight against things like Chaos and Greenskins?

>>44318977
BDSM is not tolerated within the imperium my friend. Your confusing terra with the foul reeking stench of earth which is rife with chaos. Any sexual abnormality since mentioned might be viewed as that form of chaos Slaaneshi one would imagine.

Because more its the desire to be something and achieve something an individual cant, something the gods of chaos can grant. Such a doorway to chaos might be the best choice for those seeking the alternative lifestyle with the bonus of being able to corrupt those who are righteous in their fury???

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>>44319020
I want to accuse you of trolling because your english is so bad. But I would also not mind debating if I could decipher a point here.

>>44319018
>Someone who is born in a male body calling themselves a woman because that's how they feel is not nearly as extreme as identifying as a literal different subspecies.

This might be where the conflict would arise, because in the WH universe a person who feels they want more or something they cant have is a step away from chaos. Not a bad thing because Chaos can grant those changes to a being which would make for some very fun and fitting tabletop gaming.

>>44319058
I suppose this is where it's a matter of personal interpretation. I really couldn't stand the 40k setting if it was that bad, and I have not personally met someone who views it as that...strict...? in regards to how close anyone is to Chaotic corruption.

Personally, I prefer the interpretation in If the Emperor Had a Text-to-Speech Device 19: I suppose it does support your point a bit, but someone simply wishing for a degree of change does power Chaos by the tiniest degree (Tzeentch, by the way, not Slaanesh, who is fed by emotional extremes and certain aspects of "creativity,") it does so in a way that won't effect the person feeding Chaos in that way, just as literally every single thought ever had by anyone ever powers Chaos, and that's why it can't really be "killed."

I suppose I feel that Chaos is always there, but no one is simply "a step away from [Chaos]." Transgendered people don't feed it any more or less so than people who are not transgendered.

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>>44318869
The majority of the issue is the sperglord special snowflakes identity politics faggots on tumblr giving the entire trans population a bad name.

If they acted as though they all required special recognition and treatment in 40k then yes, they would be considered an unstable abhorration.

That and, even then they may just get purged by any random inquisitor who knows anything about Slaanesh and his nebulous gender.

In regards to the original question that sparked this faggotry, just do it and act normal. If it's really the type of campaign where what's in between your legs matters the heresy of your particular campaign outstrips the lore and you're playing with a bunch of deviants anyway. If it's not then there's no reason to talk about your junk and the only reason you would is for attention. And I say this playing a trans Sororitas in a game of Dark Heresy with ERPG moments.

Basically, if the most interesting thing about your character is what's between "her" legs in anything, I'd recommend taking them back to the drawing board.

>>44319114
>I suppose I feel that Chaos is always there, but no one is simply "a step away from [Chaos]."

The statement I used "a step away", I used because that want for something that isnt possible in reality can be made real by the chaos gods.

If an individual desires the change they cant have as a human, such as no man transgendered or not can give birth, get a period, or vice versa get someone pregnant. The forces of chaos can grant that wish which is why I chose to say "a step away from chaos".

Not a bad thing though, roleplaying a chaos faction suited for this could result in a very satisfying gameplay experience for the player and the other players since it might help bring the game more to life?

>>44319256
>If an individual desires the change they cant have as a human they are a step away from chaos

This basically explains why exterminatus events occur to wipe out any chance of any living thing living with the knowledge of chaos. Also the reason why anyone is killed who even knows of the forces of chaos.

>>44319256
It could. This is good argument. I would argue that whether or not the person feels they must turn to Chaos to get the body they identify as would depend on their world.

Is this a world where treatments for transgendered people exist and they are not seen as bad things? Then there'd be no potential for Chaos taint out of desire for a new body.

So yeah, I would argue that it depends entirely on the world that the individual is from.

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Sororitas Thread Rerailing...

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>>44319366

>>44319343
>I would argue that whether or not the person feels they must turn to Chaos to get the body they identify as would depend on their world.

Good point if there is treatment for this thing. Not sure if that point has ever been made though in the official WH universe if the tech exists or not? If there is no mention of it yet then we can only assume it doesnt exist which may explain the sterility of space marines???

Though let us not forget it is not usually the individual who finds chaos but chaos who can reach out to them no matter the world or what deep recess they may seclude themself in since the boundaries of chaos are near infinite.

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>>44319328
> Also the reason why anyone is killed who even knows of the forces of chaos.

If anyone who knows of chaos must be killed, then wouldnt every space marine have to kill themself? Also what is in a sororitas church? wouldnt there be talk of chaos?

I mean someone is bound to ask and what happens if we dont follow the emperors divine word???

>>44319440
I believe it has been stated in Dark Heresy and shown through a few different novels that most Imperium civilized worlds are similar to our own, with some differences that come inherent to the setting.

With that being said, it depends on the GM whether or not most worlds would have access to at least basic hormone treatment. Personally, I say yes, and unfortunately there's not really a debate available here. You could say no, and it's all good because it's your view of the setting.

>>44319464
> Personally, I say yes, and unfortunately there's not really a debate available here.

Far as most media that contains a "universe" of some sort such as Warhammer, speculation is often not allowed unless the game is being played loosely in some sort of fan fiction type of manner.

>basic hormone treatment
If a person is seeking treatment here is the problematic part, the person could be influenced by chaos and turned into whatever they wanted to be a man, woman, a cat or whatever... If the person sought to become their true self and hormones would NEVER grant that satisfaction in reality when that gender reality is merely a step away through the forces of chaos???

>>44319521
>Far as most media that contains a "universe" of some sort such as Warhammer, speculation is often not allowed unless the game is being played loosely in some sort of fan fiction type of manner.
Pardon? Dude, that's how like, all games I've played/hosted are like in massive galactic sci-fi settings. 40k, Star Wars, whatever--we fill in the blanks ourselves, and have fun.

Also you forgot to greentext the part where I said that someone could say "no," where I say "yes," and that's just as acceptable.

>>44319574
>Pardon? Dude, that's how like, all games I've played/hosted are like in massive galactic sci-fi settings. 40k, Star Wars, whatever--we fill in the blanks ourselves, and have fun.

That playstyle is all good in the hood, its a game so like all meant to be fun whatever that may be. Adding in elements not present in that universe like throwing light sabers into WH or spess marines into Star Wars isnt cannon, but cannon doesnt matter long as ppl have fun which is more important at least in my book.

>>44319614
I feel like you're making an awful lot of assumptions on what we do and don't add.

Personally, my group doesn't add anything that we don't feel fits the setting as a whole.

>>44317298
>dat ass
Sauce?

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>>44319631
No one gives a shit about your feelings
Stop talking about your shit game and your shit friends and post Sororitas.

I mean holy fuck do you have such a need for approval that you'll badger a bunch of anonymous fa/tg/uys do do it?

>>44319614
Would the sororitas kick them out anyway? Or not recruit at all? Cut off the dick and balls and pop all the pills you want your chromosomes are stil XY. Any person who found out had the legal sway to fuck the sororitas over for breaking the letter of the law they're shirking. They probably would 't even take them in the first place just to avoid the chance that might happen.

>>44314653
>>44314708
Are Sororitas clones or why do they all look the same?

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>>44319735
You seem upset.

It's almost like 4chan can't handle actual conversation and an argument that isn't slinging insults?

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>>44319762
Sororitas look the same because that is the camaraderie of a sorority.

tldr, the short answer is loyalty, therein lies purity of the innocence for what the truth lay bare so that the light of his divine call will reach even the most lost soul tortured in darkness ever seeking the redemption only met through their only purification in the rites of holy burning damnation.

This has been asked many times, but I've never seen a definite answer.

What kind of relationships are SoBs allowed to have? Do they have to be celibate?
Is it possible for a SoB to leave the order and have a normal family?

I'd like to know about 'unique' cases as well.
As die-hard as their fans are, SoBs have never seemed to be fleshed-out, and an Omnibus by a decent writer could really breathe some life back into them imo

Wonder what a sister of battle titan would look like.

In WHFB, A young sister from a one of the Sigmarite churches fell in love with Archaon. She tried to redeem him either by guiding him back to the light or by just killing him and freeing him from his accursed fate.

Can something like this happen in 40K?

>>44319829

No because that Sister was Be'lakor all along

>>44319820
I am not aware of this being specified anywhere.

It's up to personal interpretation and convent. I don't think that them having normal families is kosher, as that would get in the way of their service in the long term.

I don't think there's anything wrong with them feeling a degree of lust and desire. It's only bad if it's excess, unless they are from a particularly strict Order or convent, I'd imagine.

Yeah, there's room in the lore for everyone's mutual dream of Sisters sating their residual lust with each other so that it isn't vented in an unholy, excessive, heretical fashion.

>>44319847
Errgh...wouldn't that count as incest?

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Oldie but goldie.

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I don't recall the context of this but a drawfag here made it and I love it

>>44319881

Maybe.

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>>44319771
Let me sum up what you've been told

>It's never happened in canon
>It's MOST LIKELY heretical

and the tumblr brigade has said that there is no support for the heretical side and that the persons who are making those arguments are of poor character.

4chan can't handle arguments that attack the character of the person making it because it's an anonymous board.

If you want to play as a tg sororitas there is nothing stopping you aside from your GM. Hell, if you're not playing an ERP game your dick will never come into it and it will only come up if you're an attention whore.

Now if you want to talk about a possible way for it to happen for your tg character so you can double think your way out of it then by all means I'm down for that. I can't speak for "4chan" but I'm down with that. But if you're going to turn around and say there is something wrong with me when I say in cannon it's probably considered chaotic taint and said heretic would promptly be purged then fuck off back to your tumblr hug box.

You are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world just like everyone else mate. You were lied to, there are no special snowflakes. Embrace it and you'll be much happier about your situation and be better company during discussions.

>>44319366
One of the hottest Sororitas pictures I've ever seen.

>>44316321
I really like this guy's work. I don't know why. it just seems really good for SoB

>>44320002
Now see, this is the sort of answer I expected to immediately follow someone bringing up transgendered Sororitas.

>>44319828
Giant titties made of plasma destructors.

More seriously the Sororitas wouldn't have Titans as Titans are under the command of the Collegia Titanica. However you could have a Titan Legion put a titan in Sororitas livery to honor a past incident between them. It'd be easier to have some Knight Freeblades or a Knight House allied with a convent who wear their colors as a sign of devotion.

Either way, the crew and pilots all need to be chicks.

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>>44318869
>If you try and argue that transgendered people or people who suffer gender dysphoria are a mutation, then the problem here is with you, not the setting.

"Cruelest and bloodiest regime imaginable" Literally right there in the foreword. The Imperium is not some amazing place for tolerance, acceptance and understanding. It's outright stated to be the opposite. It is a shitty place to be and something no human should suffer through, but that's -the point-.

Gender dysphoria is likely treated like any disease of the mind in the Imperium, so with abhorrently barbaric methods and excessive grimdark and an uncaring attitude towards the value of human life. If said transgender person now wants to change their gender? Well, I'm sorry but that would be deviation from the Holy Human Form as other anons have said. And that shit will either get you a severe physical punishment as penance for your sin of believing your perfect human form to be imperfect or burned at the stake for heresy.

It is a cruel, inhuman regime that enforces terror and abuses of common human dignity even on worlds where it is distant. It is not nice, it is malicious. Like it says in foreword "Cruelest and bloodiest regime imaginable"

You also misunderstand the Imperiums relationship to abhumans. They are not fine with mutation, they are however fine with being hypocrites when it suits then. Such as with throwing abhumans into the meatgrinder because they're useful combat troops, which becomes a two-fer in the Imperiums mind. The abhuman repents for their sin of deviation by dying for the Emperor and there's one less inhuman freak in the universe.

>>44320171
Cool beans, in my next DH game I'm going to have anyone without brown hair publicly tortured to death because that shit is the result of a mutation. Those who sired non-brown haired children and those with a deviant shade of brown will be given the mercy of a general public execution by drawing and quartering. Cruelest regime imaginable, bro.

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>>44319828

>>44320213

Such is life in the Imperium of Man.

Seriously though, it's about time Abaddon put the whole thing in the trash where it belongs.

>>44320213

That actually happened on a planet.

It was later purged for being stupidly wasteful and pointlessly cruel even by 40k standards.

>>44320171
>>44320213
>>44320223
>>44320230

It's not that absolute. Depending on who is in charge of the planet (is it the ecclesiarchy or the planetary governor alone, how strongly is Imperial Creed rooted on the population etc.) the way minorities are treated can vary greatly. You need to remember that IoM mostly doesn't have time to give a fuck about how say, sexual minorities, are treated at backwater planet XY-2345 as long as the planetary governor manages to pay its tithes.

>>44319431
man that one big bird or small sanctuary

>>44320213
Likely excessive to the point of heresy but I could see it happening if you have a planetary governor drinking way to deep from the cup of monodominance.

>>44320280
The bird is part of the statue.

>>44320289
Drinking from cups is heresy. The Emperor drank from cups, are you saying you're equal to the Emperor? You can only drink out of bowls or straight from the tap.

>>44320325
>Drinking from cups is heresy.
The galaxy is a big place, some planet could easily have such laws.

>>44320279
>You need to remember that IoM mostly doesn't have time to give a fuck about how say, sexual minorities,
The Imperium likely has a lot of time to fuck around with petty shit considering the sheer banality of stuff some of the thoughts of the day deals with.

>>44320325
If the Emperor drank out of a cup, that means drinking out of cups is blessed and the only way one should drink. You dare maligning the Emperor by not following His will and His example?

>>44320325
>>44320367
>Emperor drank from a cup, only he can
>Emperor drank from a cup, only we can
I love 40k sometimes.

>>44320367
I didn't build a flamethrower chainsaw out of scrap and cutburn an Aquila into my face to listen to such heresy. Time for a good old fashioned purging.

>>44320404
Heresy! Cutburning is a proscribed method for decorating the human form, branding with irons is the only true path. A pogrom upon you heretic, you and your unholy works will be cast down and purged by the righteous!

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Hello, is this the paint store?

>>44319761
What that guy said.

The militant arm of the Adepta Sororitas are already existing only because of a legal loophole.

Also I believe the name for a man with his bits cut of is not woman, its eunuch.

>>44320518
I thought they called them Astartes.

>>44318869
>The people of the Imperium are fine with mutation
Sororitas and Inquisition are not.

>>44317209
Because according to the credo he's an angel the Emperor, an extension of His Will and Power, closer to His Most Divine Light than any mortal could ever be. Not to mention any personal tie that could exist between them due to fighting side-to-side for a while.
Also:
>Come with me sister, for we have heretics to purge
>[heavy breathing intensifies]

>>44314369
I remember a coupla threads about an order of cqc sisters.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/43805023/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/43821682/


>>44318869
>The people of the Imperium are fine with mutation.
Firstly, abhumans are threated like shit compared to normal, and that's in a setting where most people live in slavery
Sencondly, as you mentionned it, those populations are stable. The mutation is allowed because it's inherent to a community that's valuable to the imperium.
The imperium isn't nice. It isn't even't similar to current earth 3rd world pre-enlightenment ideology. It's based on 2000AD, which is a faschist dystopia where mutants are sent to die in irradiated wastelands just because of their genome.
Though >>44318857 is right, gender dysphoria would be seen as deviancy/heresy rather than mutation.
I remind you that wanting liberty or equality in the imperium is also considered heresy. It endangers the established order (or is simply foreign to it), so it has to be crushed.
That's one of the reasons why so many mutants and ordinary people turn to chaos.


>>44320213
They virobombed a planet with agents targeting a to kill every people with a certain hair color because they were statistically more present in majority in an anti-imperium rebellion (rulebook 3rd ed.). That setting has exterminatus, aka burn the house to get rid of termites.

>>44320542
That's a whole other can of worms.

>>44319728
Have you been hiding under a rock? The ass belongs to Widowmaker, the qt3.14 is Tracer, and they are both from Blizzards upcoming game Overwatch. It was recently withdrawn from closed beta for another round of tactical rigging behind the scenes.

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Rare sister without white hair.

>>44320614
To continue on the topic of gender dysphoria, there could be a remote planet that have in its customs and where a significant part of the population undergoes hormore therapy or surgery once adult, for whatever reason, then it would be accepted on this particular planet, and (barely) tolerated on the rest on the imperium.
But a particular individual standing up against the system in one of the most oppressive settings without being instantly crushed ? Very unlikely.

>>44320678
>there could be a remote planet that have in its customs and where a significant part of the population undergoes hormore therapy or surgery once adult, for whatever reason, then it would be accepted on this particular planet, and (barely) tolerated on the rest on the imperium.

Hive world population control scheme or planetary governor with one hell of a fetish.

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>>44318717

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>>44320719
reverse gender-dystopia ?
>I was once a man
>all of this because of that bullshit governor
>nobles staying male because they "need to spread their superior genetics"
>sororitas order or baby-factory, it was an easy choice.
>those fucking guardsmen trying to seduce me everytime I go in a bar to drown my sorrows.
100% grimdark approved.

>>44319820
IIRC vows are order-specific.

In one of the ciaphas cain books, a canoness lays with an adept, and Inquisitor amberley vail remarks that contrary to popular belief, sororitas aren't supposed to be chaste.

I suppose that getting pregnant in a warzone will be shunned upon, though, because it means that one of His warriors can't fight for a while.
And having a family and leaving the order ? Not impossible per se, but that's borderline heresy unless you have a very comprehensive canoness (sound of music sister of battle campaign when ?)

>>44320785
Possibility of Sororitas starting a family.

Planetary Governor is removed for treason/incompetence/whatever.

Another of the same house is appointed to promote stability and give the illusion that nothing too serious has gone wrong.

To ensure he remains loyal the Sororitas give him a wife from their order. If he has a wife already he now has a concubine.

The Sororitas is now in a position of authority on the planet and will ensure that this and the next planetary governor is more loyal and pious than the one that got removed.

This sounds like a great deal for him. It is not. Should she find him lacking in either piety or competence she will be his executioner.

Also introduces new genes into the increasingly inbred Imperial Aristocracy.

>>44320374
>worshipping gods is bad
>worship god-emperor
>worshiping emps is bad
>man-emperor of man worship begins

>>44320785
>sound of music sister of battle campaign when?

Only if it's a political intrigue game about a Convent offering up a novice sister to sate the desires of a nobleman so that they might chart the course of politics in opposition to the Sister Famulous attached to the house.

>>44320863

Sister Famulous work to prevent inbreeding amongst nobility by arranging marriages, however these are still between nobles and not to Sisters.

>>44317609
Sabastian Thor wrote the rules knowing full well that the High Lords would not allow him to keep the Sisters on as a military force so when he wrote the edict he intentionally wrote the loophole in because in the bureaucratic world of politics only the word of the law mattered.

To Sabastian Thor and the Sisterhood, the loophole is following the spirit and word of the law.

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Are they rules for novices in the tabletop ? Or sisters without armor, for that matter.

>>44320915
technically, aren't sisters nobles or at least upperclass aristocrats, considering that they come from the schola, which is reserved to imperial elite.
If the genepool of the nobility was really rotten, I could see that happening as a last resort.

>>44317898
Can't remember the source but I remember reading once that Convents take up rituals and iconography that matter to them personally or have history with.
By the same notion, they will sometimes adopt images and styles of the culture they are among.

Normally sisters spend a large majority of their time quite insular, leaving any dealings with the public to a few trained individuals and/or their superiors. So they have little culture mixing but some other convents will have many deals with the citizens by large and over time, their cultures will mix.
Long story short, most Sisters will all look the same on purpose but don't let that stop you from converting your own miniatures.

Mind you, that would have been back when GW encouraged conversions.

>>44321236

Schola isn't just for nobles, it's for all orphans of those who worked directly in some of the Imperium's organizations like Administratum or the Commissariat.

The Schola is for everyone.
They'll even take untainted children of traitors.
In practice, though, generally only the upper classes, officers and such's families would be known to the Administratum for them to care about rounding up the orphans.

Again, big galaxy out there. Your headcanon can likely coexist with everyone elses.

>>44321339
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>>44315351
Yeah man.
I drew the thing.
We kinda made a short story that I am rather embarrassed to show. We use to chat, creating a story. She would do her part and I would write mine, where I was a GM a bit.
The evolution of the characters is still ongoing through Black Crusade now. It's been a long way.

Pic related
Its the SpessWolf now.

>>44321236
>technically, aren't sisters nobles or at least upperclass aristocrats, considering that they come from the schola, which is reserved to imperial elite.

Only the high-ranking members are anything close to an aristocrat. One would have to reach canoness before she'd be considered anyone important. Beyond that any authority a sister has is nebulous, situational and mostly the result of her representing someone with actual authority.

>>44321339
Orphan of an Imperial servant is the base requirement and most of the Schola students come from children of Administratum members.

>>44321416
You're far from bad.

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>>44316100
>>44315652
>>44315612
I can't believe nobody mentioned the bikes from (the admittedly bad) movie Priest for this.
They'd be pretty much perfect.

See attached, Maggie Q on her speedy monster. Spray that puppy red and put her in Sister power armour and you'd basically be done.

>>44321647
and yes, that's supposed to be a jet engine...

>>44319431
>one missile hits the "I"
>the whole building gets buried under the Sororitas statue.

>>44321647
>(the admittedly bad)

I liked that film.

>>44321714
so did I, that changes little on how badly it bombed I'm afraid.

>>44313819
I really do respect sisters players, mostly because they make the perfect characters for my chaos lord to kill

>>44321676
That thing is probably made from the same stuff they make starship hulls from.
The ones that can withstand continent cracking weapons and several thousand kilometre Nova Cannon explosions.

Most Ecclesiarchy buildings are made like that. To act as giant, ostentatious bunkers that can survive the end of the world.

So, my friends and I are doing a Deathwatch game, and I decided to play a SoB instead of a Marine, because reasons. I was hoping some of you kind folks might have some roleplay advice, as I'm fairly new to the universe

>>44319366
I like to think it's Tarkus behind that helmet. Dude deserves a reward.

>>44321826
You will have to play a "moderate" sister. Most Space Marines don't see the Emperor as a god and are therefore blasphemers of the highest order.

Only the fact that they are, genetically, the Emperors grandchildren prevents the Sisters from declaring all out war on most of the chapters.

As a general rule they don't get along.

>>44321820
>To act as giant, ostentatious bunkers that can survive the end of the world.
Can I get a room in one of her boob sockets?

>>44321914
But aren't they also His Angels of Death? That seems like a pretty big divide in mentality. I was expecting awe, not grrr.

>>44321983
They are bunch of gene-twisted, cultivated mutations that reject the Emperor's divinity.

And they recruit witch-breed scum into their own ranks.

>>44321996
Yes, but they are also the work of His holy hands... this is confusing

>>44321983
Don't listen to that asshole. It depends heavily on the chapter in question and generally reflects the same attitudes the Ecclesiarchy has towards the chapter.

>>44322020
So was Horus.

Angels can fall from grace.

>>44321826
Novadays, marines are coming closer to the sister initial archetype, so I suggest we go back in time, to 2nd ed. fluff.
Space Marines were initially roided soldiers, kinda like cyberpunk heavy-duty cops.
Sisters are Joan of Arc in Space, so closer to chivalry than marines.
You're a warrior nun devoted to the Emperor. Faith is the most important thing in your life. You're a complete idealist (mentality primes reality). You're gonna fight literal anathemas (xenos, mutants, heretics), so lots of righteous fury.

Check out some knighthood/monastic vows.
A quick google search gives me :
>To fear God and maintain His Church
>To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
>To protect the weak and defenceless
>To give succour to widows and orphans
>To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
>To live by honour and for glory
>To despise pecuniary reward
>To fight for the welfare of all
>To obey those placed in authority
>To guard the honour of fellow knights
>To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
>To keep faith
>At all times to speak the truth
>To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
>To respect the honour of women
>Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
>Never to turn the back upon a foe
you can probably adapt and remove/add things to your liking.

About you relationships with SM, the way I see it they're mythical beings, angels of death, direct servants of the Emprah.
On one hand you should be humbled about serving alongside them. On the other hand seeing them in everyday life, with a bit of political agenda and marines from different chapters bickering, is gonna put your faith to the test.

>>44321967
Sorry, they are the 'female hysteria' treatment rooms.

>>44322175
Are there recordings?

For research purposes.

>>44322112
This makes a lot more sense. Thanks. One more question. Would she do her armor in the Deathwatch style or no?

>>44321236
Schola is for orphans.

>>44322242
She would paint it black, assuming it wasn't black before, but the heraldry markings should be kept.

>>44322258
Based. Thanks man

>>44322242
SoB armor doesn't follow the same livery scheme as SM armor normally, but why not?

>>44322266
Well, my original thought was that it would be presumptuous in the extreme, but my second thought was uniforms. That's how you tell who not to shoot at

>>44319828

I was thinking of making a SOB imperial knight tbqh pham

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>>44313819
Since GW will never do SoB
I made my own staction fig.

ITS MY BIG SISTER :D
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM1BAJOG2no&list=PLy55WVLwDMPlyr7qFDehv8aCI9wnuDvZd&index=3
;)

>>44321826
>Sob Deathwatch

That's actually a cool idea.

>>44322343

Based

>>44322349
Yeah, but I'm the only one. We have a Mortifactor Assault Marine, an Angry Marines Breacher, and a techbane super-psyker

>>44320915
Imperial nobility is large and diverse enough that they can keep the gene pool diverse and weed out most of the undesirables.

>>44322343
Cool, now stat her as a some kind of monstrous creature.

>>44322242
Since you're not a space marine you aren't really be part of a kill-team. You're more of an attached specialist. Plus it could be seen as hubris, trying to mimic SM. On the other hand, you aren't under the direct authority of your order anymore.
Honestly, do as you wish, it can be justified either way.

Also, I would play it as a nun first, and a warrior second.
Especially since marines are gonna be better than you as fighters.
Your stong points are :
>lots of knowledge that aren't usually possessed by SM (religion, imperium history, eventually social and medical skills).
>more discrete and inconspicuous than a genetically modified 7ft tall hulk.
>beloved by most loyalist factions where SM are just feared
>faith so stong it can literally do miracles

IIRC the dark heresy books have sister classes in the Inquisitor Handbook. You can also look at the classes contained in Ascension, especially Hierophant, because Deathwatch characters are usually stronger than humans.
Also this :
http://wh40klib.ru/codex/Role-Playing_Games/Dark_Heresy_Heresy_Begets_Retribution.pdf

What character archetype do you had in mind, btw ? Militant sister, hospitalier, famulous, dialogus ?

>>44321509
Thanks man. I know how to draw/paint but my writing abilities I believe are a bit... Questionable.

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>>44322343
>battle heels
Almost perfect, anon.

>>44322397
A planet of giant abhumans.
One of their children is picked up by the Schola
She meets all the full qualities to graduate with the honour of becoming a Sister Novicate
As an experiment, more then anything, she is allowed to be inducted into an out of the way Order Militant Minoris.
She quickly out-preforms all expections of her and despite lingering feelings on being an abhuman, she becomes embraced fully into the Sisterhood.
The Order is now often tasked with missions that'll bring her alongside soldiers or civillans of her homeworld to act as a becon of hope and inspiration to them.

>>44322491
Mostly militant, because I have an unnatural love of flamers, but I also have the best social skills in the group

>>44322636
Sisters from all Orders are going to be far more socially adept then any Marine.

>>44322739

Perhaps if by any marine you mean Iron Hands or the Unforgiven, but Ultramarines and Space Wolves easily outclass ones such as the Sisters in social skill.

>>44322636
>unnatural love of flamers
Muh salamander
Check the Daemon Hunter book for Dark Heresy, it has the pyroclast sub-class with specific flamer-related traits, and the Astartes-pattern Incinerator (and anti-psyker prometheum).

>>44322817
>Space Wolves
>social skills
Huh ?

>>44322739
I just got into DH 2nd edition, and there's not so many SM around. What is the civilians thoughts about a space marine, I thought they'd be worshiped, but in this thread it seems they'd be feared.

>>44322844
I'm using the Hydra pattern flamer from Enemy Within, but I'll look into it. Can't beat a holy weapon

>>44322844

Space Wolves are the broest of bros to non-fenrisians because then they aren't pulling the gruff Norse god act. Logan Grimnar goes to war against Imperial institutions that don't treat ordinary folks nicely, and is the most beloved hero figure in the Imperium. He's basically the Space Santa to your average human.

>>44317599
>
>>44317336

transgender has been identified as the realm of slaneesh...

your best choice is not Sororitas but a Veteran of the Long War, made perfectly feminine by the grace of a god.

>>44320002
>pic is top keks

this.

1000x this

"the emperor wants soldiers. since there is need for women soldiers, we have Sororitas.

if you really want to change your flesh, ...what is wrong with you? CHAOS does that!"

>in-universe response....

>>44322919
This.

Space Wolves, bar the dog fucking, improved massively when Russ left.

>>44322864
Both really.
They are the angels of a god.
They protect us. But they are fearsome. Far above us... not like us. Better in every way. Can kill us all on a whim... Something to be feared ... no?

>>44323048
Seriously, I think the Space Wolves, before going full wolftard as you said, were the only legion to improve after their Primarch fucked off.

>Transgender Sororitas

Understand that the Adepta Sororitas exists only because the Ecclesiarchy is forbidden from having "men at arms". Why should any Order take the risk of being accused of violating the Imperium law?

>>44322343
Your taste in music may be shit, but that fig is beautiful.

>>44322864
As I see it, they're seen like christian angels by most people. "The holy book says that if you don't worship the Emperor, St. Michael is gonna personally come and fuck you in the ass". So they're good guys, but seeing them is usually very bad news, plus they can kill you will their little finger (and are probably rumored to have superpowers, to boot).
On some of the most high-tech/enlightened worlds, they might been seen more like what they really are. Cyborg special forces, plus personality cult North Korea-style because it's the imperium. There may even be popular saturday morning cartoons about the Deathwatch killing the xenos of the week.


>>44322919
Notwithstanding that being nice =/= being a diplomat, sources on that ?

>>44323162

Codices and his WD spotlight article.

>Logan's exploits are known throughout the Imperium. He is one of the great heroes of Mankind, whose image is universally recognized and respected, and his conquests span the galaxy. Many human worlds owe their existence to his might, and on several planets, he is hailed as a savior and patron. Every year, prayers are offered up in his name on a dozen worlds. To this day, tributes continue to arrive at Fenris from grateful planetary lords, and the Old Wolf remains possibly the most highly respected and best loved warrior in the entire galaxy.

>It is not just against the enemies of the Imperium that Grimnar has waged his war. He has willingly, some would say joyfully, led his forces into battle against Imperial Institutions whose agendas and actions he deemed threatening to those within his sprawling domain. this has led to many accusations of rebellion, heresy, and treason being levelled at Logan and his Chapter, along with the usual rumors of genetic deviancy. the fact that the Old Wolf is so ready to meet his detractors on the field of battle is undeniably one of the reasons why these allegations are not taken further - the senior adepts of the Administratum know from experience that is it better to have the space wolves as allies than as enemies. nevertheless, no matter how unorthodox his methods, none can deny that Logan Grimnar is one of the most successful of all humanity's commanders, a true champion of the Imperium and an inspiration to man and Adeptus Astartes alike.

>>44321737
It's basically a 40k film, just swap vampires for genestealers.

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Back to sisters in general, what is your favorite non-militant order ?
>Hospitalier (medic)
>Dialogus (interpret)
>Famulous (commissar, except in a household. Sounds like a rip-off of dune and the bene-gesserit)
>Pronatus (relic keeper)
>Sabine (missionary)
>Other

On a sidenote, the Sororitas seems like a pretty complete organisation, with a very broad set of skills available. No psykers, though.

>>44323774
The CSI: Ecclesiarchy and the Indiana Jones ones. Can't remember their names.

>>44323774
>Sororitas seems like a pretty complete organisation
They are. They are more or less a complete organisation within the Immperium with close, unbreakable ties to the Ministorum.
Calling them just 'part of' the Ecclesiarchy is really doing them a diservice.
Their head position, Abbess Prioris, is even able to be a High Lord.

But because GW can't give them to many nice things, the Sisters haven't chosen a new Abbess after the death of the last one out of respect for her or some fucking bullshit.

>>44323774
Whichever one considers celibacy a sin for there are many ways to spread the emperors light.

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>>44323861
>CSI: Ecclesiarchy
Order Vespila, a subtype of hospitalier that does CSI-stuff and burial rites.

The other named ones that I can think of are Madriga (chorists) and Planxilium (processions). They look pretty lame compared to the rest of the orders. Unless they got crowd controlling superpowers, but I doubt it.
Is it forbidden for sisters to act as imperial priests? I can't find any info about it, which is strange considering how religious they are, and apparenlty canonesses can't conduct masses outside their order.

>>44323774
Tough question. I like them all depending on my current mood. But I think I'll say hospitaller just because the army I'm painting started out as that before shit hit the fan and they became more obviously combat medics. Nurse nuns are neat.

>>44320374
Well fuck. My next Dark Heresy campaign is going to be in the middle of intrahive warfare between the Cup faction and the Anti-Cup faction of the local Ecclesiarchy.

>>44323925

It's because her death was not confirmed, Abbess Sabrina's ship disappeared in the Warp during a pilgrimage so technically she is "missing". Might even be alive in 999.M41 corrupted by hot daemon dickings.

>>44318869
If transgenderism or sexual dismorphia are not mutations then they are a choice and any so-called trans rights are bullshit.

>>44324989
You have brought shit opinions to a topic that dried up a while ago. The thread moved on, please go away.

>>44316666
woooo! non-white hair sister!

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>>44318717
that's going in the story book

>>44324989
>choice
Have you tried not choosing to be a faggot?

>>44323774
One of our game had a minor order of architect sisters that took care of the ecclesiarchy's buildings. I think it was a GM creation.
Considering that they knew all the secret passages and gave use the plans of the governor's palace so we could place demo charges and drop the ceiling on an ascending daemon prince, they were pretty neat.

>>44325358
Is being a faggot considered mutation or heresy ? Now I'm confused.

>>44326665
I think GW has, to a certain extent, wisely decided not to mention any of that, and leaves it to the players to decide how to handle it. No need to cause undue controversy.

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btw, the bolter and chainsword has a browser sister painter, for those of you that want to try new color schemes. The only issue is that it doesn't do pristine whites.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/sisterp.php
I'm sure you can do better than my shitty attempts.

>>44326765
Are we talking gay faggots or 4chan faggots here?

>>44317336
No
Degenerate

>>44327872
I haven't read all of GWs published writing, but I think they deliberately leave out any overt mention of LGBT people in the setting, letting those things be decided by the players, rather than actually putting something on paper that might come back to haunt them later.

>>44327950

GW doesn't mention anything sexual at all, despite the existence of Dark Eldar and Slaanesh. Lots of grognards say this is to try and make 40k kiddie friendly, but I think its more because the company is run by Brits, who are generally a sex-fearing people.

>>44328330
That undoubtedly helps matters, yes.

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>>44322871
I haven't checked DH 2nd edition ; is it good ? What are the differences with the previous games ?

>>44328330
>sex-fearing people
Let's have a minute of silence, in memory of those poor Juan Diaz daemonettes.

>>44328330

ADB has confirmed that's the company policy.

>I don’t write novels for kids, and I get more than my fair share of editorial feedback that says “Take this out…” and “Tone that down…”.
>The most recent example was when Octavia, the Echo of Damnation’s Navigator, was symbiotically linked to the warship’s machine-spirit while they flew through the void. And the soul of the machine was so galvanised and thrilled to be hunting through the warp and destroying enemy vessels, that its primal pleasure at fulfilling its raison d’etre was starting to bleed through the link into her mind. She usually had the strength to control the machine-spirit, but she was exhausted and wounded, and her body responded in a primal and human way, as raw pleasure coursed through her mind and beyond. I knew that it wouldn’t go through editing, so I changed it.
>I edited it down like crazy, and it was still cut, even when it was just a final sentence about her trying to fly the ship and ignore a distractingly pleasant ache between her legs.
>So, in short, anything relatively adult along those terms will be axed anyway.

>>44327950
I distinctly recall there being a lesbian couple in one of the guard books.

>>44328916
Novels are one thing, the RPG books was the main point of contention here. But as >>44328856 states, it's policy to sanitize the works they publish.

>>44328856
yeah but she still gets gangraped and knocked up by her fellow slave.

ADB's magical realm is showing.

>>44329202

So long as it happens offscreen everything is fine.

>>44329320
The knocking up is offscreen.

The gangrape isn't really.

>>44329360

It isn't, quote the bit and you'll see. That's why GW allows it.

>>44329384
Lent the book to a friend, so you might be right. I remember reading over it and being all "wtf how did GW even allow this". Pretty adult themed regardless.

Also if ADB was going to put in a female character just to have her repeatedly abused/dicked, I'd rather he not.

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>>44318869
Mutation is not the same as an abhuman strain. Mutants are random and vary wildly, while abhumans like Ogryns or Ratlings are very stable. A child of a Ratling will be a Ratling. Beastmen are kind of a grey area, since there's so little lore about them. It seems like a lot of them have turned to the service of Chaos.

Mutants are allowed on some Imperial worlds, that's true. But they're usually very low class and discriminated against, usually used for hard labour at best.

I doubt that trans people would be considered mutants. At best it'd be something like a weird sort of biological amputation. But I don't think the Imperium would look favorably on it in general, since I believe the human body is looked on as something that is naturally very pure, since humanity is good and the Emperor is the patron of humanity.

>>44320106
where's her thumb on her right hand?

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>>44323774
Hospitalier. Mostly because they have the most fluff out of all of them, and a nice model.

I find it interesting that apparently sisters will cycle in and out of orders sometimes - a wounded sister or one that can no longer fight properly will serve in a Hospitalier order, and if they heal they can return to the Militant order. So Hospitaliers aren't just nurses and doctors, many are trained warriors as well.

>>44329671
>Hospitalier. Mostly because they have the most fluff out of all of them, and a nice model.
This, plus looks hot af in that power armor.

>>44328856
>"I want to show how this ship is causing this girl to orgasm, but my editors won't let me. They're evil

When I see stuff like this, my honest advice is: Go masturbate. Once you've calmed down, get back to writing. Your hormones are twisting your thoughts.

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>>44329715
Most people never really see the model from the back, but it honestly looks a bit more like a dress than normal power armor because of the cape thing hanging off of it.

Still great though.

>>44322871
I enjoy it, but I can't really compare it to the other ones. Complete and utter newfag

>>44329715
>that power armor.
Carapace armour actually.

>>44329615
>A child of a Ratling will be a Ratling.
Since most mutations in the Imperium are caused by heavy chemical pollution and not warp-exposure, the child of a mutant will be a similar mutant too.
Though abhumans tend to be particularly stable stains, that doesn't mean that there is a major difference with the other types of non-chaos mutants, apart from the fact that the administratum has classified them so/hasn't lost the triplicates yet.
But since there isn't a way to be sure if the mutation is caused by chaos or not, the usual imperial stance on the matter is "better shoot them just in case and be sorry later, and anyway they were probably corrupted".
Of course when all the population of the underhive is mutated because your reactors haven't been correctly shielded since the great crusade, you can't execute them since it would put a serious dent in your manpower, but that's no reason not to treat them like subhumans and hang a few from time to time, right ? After all if the proletarians didn't vent regularly they would assault the nobility, and we don't want that to happen, do we ?

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>>44329835
Oh no, it's power armor. Sisters of battle get power armor, so Hospitaliers get power armor too. Carapace seems to be mostly used only by Stormtroopers and Arbites.

>>44313819
I'd like to lay down a Sister and appreciate her delicate sweetness all night long.
end my misery

>>44329835
Oh right. Looks power armor'y rather than carapace, but I do remember that was what she was equipped with in the RPG.

Still, my penis will destroy all the carapace.

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>>44329846
A child of a mutant will probably also be a mutant, but it's up for grabs if there's going to be shared or similar features. Like you say, abhumans are particularly stable, while mutants are not.

>>44329869
She's looking for someone hotter

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>>44329903
That looks like flak armor. I wish the difference between carapace and flak was a bit more clear - I used to think it was just generally bigger and bulkier, but now the new storm troopers have pretty form-fitting armor that's less bulky than regular flak.

>>44329867
Uh, no they don't. Only the militant orders get power armor. The Hospitallers get an absolutely bitching suit of Carapace armour, not power armor. It's the one distinction between the Orders Militant and the Hospitallers.

>>44330011
But it looks exactly like the sisters power armor, amazing dubs. And Hospitallers are often ex-militants or militants that need time to heal from wounds.

>>44329933
>abhumans are particularly stable,
Not just "particularly stable". They're literally sub-species of humans that breed true and are largely products of evolutionary pressures rather than random mutation.

>>44330004
>thop idol

Can't unsee.

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>>44330035
>But it looks exactly like the sisters power armor,
Are you blind? It doesn't. Pauldrons are different and far larger on Battle Sister power armor, Battle Sister power armor is far bulkier and presents a wholly different profile, there is a distinct lack of a fusion power pack which all Battle Sister power armor has, the chestplates are also completely different, there are tassets on the Hospitaller carapace, battle Sister power armor lacks them completely and I could go on listing the differences.

>>44330082
Now neither can I, ᚦanks for that.

Is there any instances of low-tech orders/sisters from feral worlds in the fluff, or are sisters considered t be always well equipped since they are part of the (rich) ecclesiarchy ?

>>44329933
Non chaos mutations follows the laws of Mendel. If a mutant whose sole mutation is a foot on his head has a child with a regular human, the child will be a mutant with a foot on the head or a normal baby, but in no cases will it have tentacles instead of arms, for example (except for cases of foetus poisoning/irradiation during the gestation, but that's another matter).

With chaos, on the other hand, it's fuck you genetics.

>>44329671
>consider the following.jpg

>>44330011
>>44330089
Hospitaliers in 6th ed. codex have 3+ save, meaning power armor. It's the same in the other editions afaik. Maybe they use only carapace (or robes) in zones far away from the battlefield, but when they're in the heat of battle they use the same armor than the rest of the sisters.

>>44330004
Even their power armor is very light compared to space marines.
In the rpg the difference between flak and carapace is that carapace is made from sturdier material and isn't fabricated in china by child-servitors. The a difference in coverage depends on the particular sets (like the crusade power armor that could be used in a strip-clup despite providing excellent protection).

>>44330089
But aside from a lower Weapons Skill, the Hospitaller has the exact same stats as a Celestian, and her toughness is the same as a Cannoness or a line Battle Sister.

Grasping at straws using game rules aside, anything about Carapace armor was made by Fantasy Flight Games, long after the model was made. It stands to reason that they made the difference between the orders themselves, where before the armor was likely just a slightly different from of the standard power armor for battle sisters - maybe they don't need the power pack since they aren't on the front lines?

>>44330286
What if they carry their power packs around like cute purses but just forgot to model it

>>44329779

You know, that was a few years ago and looking back into it the fact that writing the complaint didn't cause ABD to lose popularity, marriage or contract with GW says you're just being a prude. Skull-splitting is fine but a little sexual 40k weirdness is not.

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>>44329779
>sexuality is something shameful and separate from being human, something that must be kept in the dark in private

Nah dude.

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>>44330253
>Hospitaliers in 6th ed. codex have 3+ save
You fucking what?

Oh christ I checked, they fucking do. Because they're in a Sororitas command squad and treated like fucking Space Marine Apocatheries because it'd be a rules headache to have a different armour save compared to the majority of the squad.
> It's the same in the other editions afaik
They have 6+ saves in Codex: Witch Hunters (3ed) because they're treated like specialist Inquisitorial Henchmen.
>>44330286
>Grasping at straws using game rules aside, anything about Carapace armor was made by Fantasy Flight Games, long after the model was made.
Also the guys that gives us more than three sentences of fluff for all the non-militant Orders so I'm going to go by their interpretation rather than GW's inconsistency.
>maybe they don't need the power pack since they aren't on the front lines?
Then why wear power armor in the first place? It's bulky, gets in the way and hinders fine manipulation. Things medics and physicians need even if they have specialized tools.

>>44330510
Dude, there's 'write a reference to masturbation' and 'the ship's bloodlust in her mind makes her want to get off'

It sounds like some shitty sex fantasy, I WOULD jerk off and rewrite that if that's what it came out as.

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>>44320002
>You were lied to, there are no special snowflakes.

Toppest Kekington, your carriage awaits.
Now we transform the quote into a Tumblr post and watch them all lose their shit.

>>44330566
I'm just saying that she easily could be wearing power armor, no matter what FFG says. You could even fluff it as depending on the size of the order - a small one with most of their numbers being made of wounded sisters might wear a lot of power armor, because it's simpler than issuing new armor, and larger ones could issue carapace armor to new recruits because it's cheaper.

As for fine manipulation, you could say the same thing about carapace armor, since either way she has gauntlets. But power armor seems to be the only kind that allows narcethiums and Sororitas equivalents, so that might be the explanation.

>>44328856
Hang on, aren't there several chapters in the Ravenor books that end with "And he touched Kara's titter-tatters"?
Is it just loins that Black Library authors can't mention?

>>44331004
Not just Ravenor, the implication that Draco and Melindi get it on regularly is more than evident in the Inquisitor books.
Nothing direct obviously, but the implication is more than a little clear.

>>44331075

Inquisition War is actually super explicit compared to any BL book due to its age, GW would never publish anything on that level now.

>A stretch of side wall had partially collapsed. Through the resulting gap, from behind a baffler of marble debris, Jaq and the Eunuchs were witnesses to vile revelry in the once-delightful plaza outside where terracotta urns of floral shrubs lay shattered.
Were the screaming tethered female prisoners hallucinating while abominations were perpetrated slowly and perversely upon their flesh? The Slaaneshi Chaos Marines had certainly used hallucinogenic grenades - as well as boltguns and meltaguns and terrible chainswords, and heavier weaponry too. Were hallucinogens intensifying the already appalling sight, and the implacable cruel touch, of pastel-hued armour exquisitely damascened with debauchery upon the breast plates and the shoulders? Was that which was already monstrous being multiplied far beyond the brink of sanity?
>A few tormentors had shed items of armour, exposing grotesquely mutated rampant groins, their organs of pleasure bifurcated and more, with squinting eyes sprouting from them, and with drooling lips.
>Others had no need to shed armour. Chaos Spawn had materialized: wolf-sized creatures with legs of spiders and bodies of imps, with questing tentacles and phallic tubes. Jaq himself almost believed that he was hallucinating. A snake-like umbilical cord connected these spawn to the swollen groin-guards of their master - who stood back, roaring and whinnying with delight, as they guided the spawn in the ravishing of their captives, soaking up the sensations of these roving external members.

>>44331002
>I'm just saying that she easily could be wearing power armor, no matter what FFG says.
I find the models armour to be way to slim and lacking in typical Imperial power armour gubbins to say she could "easily" be wearing it.
>As for fine manipulation, you could say the same thing about carapace armor, since either way she has gauntlets.
Not nearly the same kind of bulk. Either way, unless I'm misremembering, the Hospitaller fluff from Blood of Martyrs mentions the Hospitallers carapace is only worn when they're acting as field medics. Otherwise they wear just that habit/dress thing.
>But power armor seems to be the only kind that allows narcethiums and Sororitas equivalents, so that might be the explanation.
Stormtroopers can have Nartheciums if I don't misremember their wargear options.

>>44331075
Just seems stupid to censor sexual organs, but be completely fine with exposed breasts.
If the reader is a hormone-fuelled sperg, they're going to masturbate as hard to tits as they would to actual intercourse.

Personally, I would've loved to see the navigator get the hots because of her ship.

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>>44331244
agreed, and it is understandable too, the machine spirit of something as massive and ancient as a starship is going to be a LOT more potent and influential on the mind of its controller than something simpler.

GW is basically censoring itself, mostly because of a serious case of "think of the children" that's prevalent in politics in the UK (both local and nationally).

>>44331327
Yeah, we suck like that over here.
Can't even swear in my local GW shop, despite the fact that all the under-13s who go there already know about that kind of shit.
That changes whenever the manager is away and the cute temp rolls in, though.

>>44331231
You could make the same argument about Sororitas power armor in general. It's nothing like that worn by Space Marines or most inquisitors.

Why do you assume that carapace armor is less bulky than power armor? Even if it's lighter, it's probably going to be about the same size as Sororitas power armor, since there's only so small or thin you can make such gauntlets.

As far as I can tell from the Scion models, their Narthecium is something that they hold in one hand, not attached to their gauntlet. So technically power armor allows a little more manual dexterity. Though I could be wrong about this - of course GW is annoyingly unspecific about this sort of thing, and even says an IG medi-pack is sometimes called a Narthecium despite sometimes being little more than a field kit.

>>44317177

>this is where miriael sabathiel came from

>>44331657
>Why do you assume that carapace armor is less bulky than power armor?
Because power armour increases the wearers size, space marine and human variants alike, carapace armour does not and only Space Marines are not impaired by their power armors bulk due to the Black Carapace implant. Carapace armour generally is more similar to medieval plate armour in how bulky it is, depending on how much coverage it has of course.
>As far as I can tell from the Scion models, their Narthecium is something that they hold in one hand, not attached to their gauntlet.So technically power armor allows a little more manual dexterity.
You can lay down the pistol gripped Narthecium for maximum manual dexterity when you don't need it. Astartes and Hospitaller Nartheciums are wristworn and likely could be in the way when they aren't used since they are rather big.

>>44331657
>>44331763
Derp, forgot this point.
>You could make the same argument about Sororitas power armor in general. It's nothing like that worn by Space Marines or most inquisitors.
Very, very poorly. Its slimmer, but its about as slim as regular human power armour while over-emphasizing the fact that the model is female because the model is made to be viewed from waist high on a gaming table. Look at the art in >>44330089 that's a far more accurate depiction on how it would look on a normally proportioned woman, not someone in 28mm heroic.

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>>44331431

My FLGS had a cute chick working the register on one of the weekdays I strolled in there.

I don't know what's the point of this post, but it was pretty awesome.

>>44331855
She's just more laid back than the manager is.

Usual manager is a fat guy (ironically) who has a general loathing of internet forums and boards, likes to laugh at his own jokes, and has a three-strike rule for anyone who swears in the shop.
He doesn't let anyone bring in food or drinks, not even if its just a bottle of water in your bag, and hardly ever lets anyone use the gaming tables because the same regulars who hapen to be his friends get dibs every time.

The cute temp chick is internet-savvy, likes to discuss rumors and stuff outside of the hobby, loves to exchange roleplay stories (she's currently in a campaign where she plays a goblin archer with a peg-leg made from the fang of a giant snake), generally doesn't give a shit about people swearing, lets us sit about and bring food into the store when she's on her lunch break, and has a roster for the tables so that everyone can get a slot.

She's generally amazing fun, to the extent that whenever I go into town I pray the regular manager has suffered some gross mutilation just so I can hang with her.

>>44331763
It increases the wearers size? What? And even if Sisters don't get to integrate with their armor like Space Marines do, they're still a little faster and stronger than most without it because of the artifical muscles and such - not as strong as a Space Marine, but they can handle heavy weapons more easily and such. Carapace armor can be like plate, but especially on the old stormtroopers it can be pretty bulky, and it doesn't improve the wearers strength or speed at all, and they have to handle its weight on their own.

But with the Narthecium on the wrist, you can use it while doing something with your hand, which could be great for battlefield surgery. Sororitas Nartheciums seem smaller, and Astartes probably rely more heavily on theirs than their actual hands for battlefield healing, since their bodies are so robust anyway.

>>44331830
I don't really understand the point that you're making there. The art there still looks more like a normal person in armor, not like the superthick and bulky plates of the Space Marines.

Either way, the Hospitaller armor looks far more like Battle Sister armor than Stormtrooper carapace, and considering when the model was made, this was probably to intentionally make clear that they still wear Sororitas power armor.

>>44329671
It's nt just the Hospitaller and Militant Orders either, but all of them.
Sister Novicates are trained to the basic standards of the four major Order branches before they are graduated into the one they are found the most competent in.
A newly christened Battle Sister can heal just as well as a Hospitaller, is as educated as a Dialogus and as socially manipulative as a Famulous. Albeit one in their first year.

That's something that never comes up in lore, that Sisters actually receive social skills training.

>>44326665
>architect sisters that took care of the ecclesiarchy's buildings
Sure, why not. Dialogus are highly trained mathematicians alongside language and history.
Wouldn't be to much of a stretch to imagine Architect Sisters as a sub-branch of them.
One of a Sisters duties is maintenance of Ecclesiarchy property also. (alongside the Laypeople and Servitors)

>>44332243
There is some small group of sisters somewhere that care for a library, and they all tend to take care of artifacts and such anyway. Not surprising that Sissies could be be related to holy architecture.

>>44315056
As a sisters player, thats not true:there are at least 9 basic boltguns, and at least 5 superiors. 2 of each special weapon pose and 1 of each heavy pose.

>>44332091
>It increases the wearers size? What?
As in, making them slightly taller, broader and with larger profiles and more physical space occupied because of the armors bulk.
>And even if Sisters don't get to integrate with their armor like Space Marines do, they're still a little faster and stronger than most without it because of the artifical muscles and such
Do you even know how power armor works in 40k? It's not "a little stronger", power armor is a force multiplier on the level of bringing a heavy bolter to a stub pistol fight. And that's power armor for regular humans. When you put armor as potent and advanced as Astartes power armor on a warrior as powerful and dangerous as an Astartes the force multiplier gets outright ludicrous.
>The art there still looks more like a normal person in armor, not like the superthick and bulky plates of the Space Marines.
You also seem to forget that Astartes are not normal people, far larger than unaugmented humans and thus would need larger armour. Also, the armour plates are not as thick as you might think (except on the pauldrons), a lot of it is sub-systems, synth-muscle and power cabling that gives the armour its bulk.
>Either way, the Hospitaller armor looks far more like Battle Sister armor than Stormtrooper carapace
There are shitloads of different types of Carapace armour. Simply because it follows the same aesthetic style does not make it the same type of armour.
>and considering when the model was made, this was probably to intentionally make clear that they still wear Sororitas power armor.
Sincerely doubt it. The concept art for Hospitallers in Codex: Witch Hunters doesn't even wear proper armour and said Codex gives the Hospitaller a 6+ armour save, which is the codex were Hospitallers were introduced. So, if they were intended to wear power armour, their rules and design would have represented it from the get go.

>>44318869
Need sauce on grill in gif

>>44331763
>Space Marines are not impaired by their power armors bulk due to the Black Carapace implant
This forever remains one of the least explained aspects of power armour to date.
Not only is it ill defined, they never mention how anyone else controls their armour leaving pretty much everything to fanon.

>>44330574
There is nothing inherently wrong with sex in a book. At least no more than violence, and BL isn't particularly shy on that. You sound a bit prudish to be honest. Arousal isn't a negative value as long as you aren't a slave to your pulsions.
Also, to draw parallels, imagine a similar viewpoint about any fight scene:
>It sounds like some shitty gore fantasy, I WOULD vent off some anger and rewrite that if that's what it came out as.

>>44332091
The main difference twith the ordinary sister armor that I can see is that the hospitalier has no visible backpack power source (and lacks oversized pauldrons, too).
That's also the case on some inquisitor armors, though.

Anyways, I think we can all agree that carapace is more comfy than power armor for a non-combattant needing her fine motor skills for her job, and that hospitaliers can don power armor if the need arise. So both are possible and depends on circumstances.

>>44332357
What does the size matter? The hospitallers and Sororitas seem about the same height anyway, and the Sororitas aren't drastically taller.

Power Armor doesn't drastically increase the Sororitas strength. They can handle heavy weapons more easily, and maybe do more damage, but they're not ludicrously strong because they can't integrate with their armor like Space Marines. We've gone over this already.

That response doesn't explain what that art piece has to really do with anything. It just explains that Space Marines get different armor, which is kind of obvious.

The design of the model represented it from the get go, and concept art is concept art, not what was in the final product. I tried to go find whatever art you looked at, but I didn't find one that wasn't wearing something that was meant to be armor, and I couldn't find the rules for a Hospitaller. And again, I was talking about back when the model was made - the newer types of Carapace armor have only been a recent thing with the Scions. Otherwise it was just Stormtrooper an Arbites armor, which were both big and bulky and nothing like Hospitaller armor.

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>>44332642
Blurg, I need a shitpostingsister.jpg. This is what this whole argument is starting to feel like to me.

>>44332084
>likes to discuss rumors
Really? The manager of my local told me outright they are not allowed to discuss any rumours what so ever. It's literally in their contract.

>>44332663
Probably because you seem to be unable to grasp very simple concepts and labour under drastically faulty assumptions.

>>44332619
When in doubt, space magic.

>>44332351
>least 9 basic boltguns
Unless there is two extra figures I've never seen, there is seven basic bolter minis.
I just counted through mine.

>>44332633
>no visible backpack power source
There is 'civilian' Power Armour which hasn't got a large power plant.
Though it only gets an hour lifespan from it's batteries.

Just saying.

>>44332667
She's a temp, not a full-time employee. They're not privy to new releases and updates in advance.
Perhaps their contracts are different? Or perhaps she just doesn't give a fuck.

Bear in mind that some if not all GW stores in the UK are run solely by one person per store now, there isn't exactly an abundance of people to rat her out to the manager.

>>44332243
>Noviciate training
very interesting. They must not have too much time to sleep, though.
Do they have common training with the rest of the schola's students too, or are they separated as soon as they have found their path ?

>>44332464
Natalia Poklonskaya, ukrainian traitor / procuror in chief of the glorious new repuplic of crimea, depending on your point of view. Not gonna enter that debate here.
Her main characteristic for the internets is that she looks very cute.

>>44332619
I guess it's feedback (cobotics, all praise the machine spirit) or putting a jack in your spine socket for direct control in the most advanced models. Black carapace is just a specialized nerve cluster that allows for greater data exchange, after all.
Maybe the crudest models have specific levers to launch the servos at each movement.

>>44332357
>Sincerely doubt it. The concept art for Hospitallers in Codex: Witch Hunters doesn't even wear proper armour and said Codex gives the Hospitaller a 6+ armour save, which is the codex were Hospitallers were introduced. So, if they were intended to wear power armour, their rules and design would have represented it from the get go.
Just playing Devil's Advocate here but GW admitted that there were issues in writing Codex: Witch Hunters, in that the rules, concept art and miniatures were done independently of each other with little communication going on.
The Repentia were originally going to a 4+ save but they were forced to change it when the minis were done is the big one they mentioned and Celestine missing her wings is the big one that is most easily seen.

It's fully possible that Hospitallers were going to have different rules or stats and this angle was dropped.

Also, Witch Hunters was written by taking what was going to be Codex Sisters and slapping Inquisition in there as they had never actually developed the Marine force that was the Ordo Hereticus's Chamber Militant prior to that point and even GW is wary of just adding Another Marine dex.
It's also why Alien Hunters wasn't done. They couldn't think of how to make 'Codex: Marines of Another Colour' unique enough to be worth a book.

>>44332768
>1h lifespan Power Armour
That's sounds really awful. Also, even the "civilian" issue ones in the rpg mention that the power source is carried in a backback (and lasts 1d5 hours).

From ascension :
>If the suit (of power armour) becomes unpowered, it becomes a rigid
tomb for the wearer, who must make a hellish strength
test to simply move.
I wouldn't go to a warzone in that thing.

On the other hand, we have the Lidhl (kek) power armor in the Inquisitor's handbook that has no strenght bonus and offers reduced protection (AP 6), but makes no mention of autonomy or a power source. Dunno if it's a overlook or a feature, but since some power weapons have no lifrespan I see no reason why their couldn't be low-output power armor without servos, that can last forever, or at least long enough for it not to be an issue.

>>44333062
Huh, that's interesting and explains a lot. Funny how it's one of the most flavourful codexes GW has ever released imo, after Daemonhunters.

>>44332642
>Power Armor doesn't drastically increase the Sororitas strength. They can handle heavy weapons more easily, and maybe do more damage, but they're not ludicrously strong because they can't integrate with their armor like Space Marines. We've gone over this already.
It does but as I said earlier, Black Carapace is an ill defined thing in lore and the differences between BC and no BC Power Armour has never been expanded on.
Because of this all 'facts' about it, other then PA becomes a second skin to Marines, is entirely fanon.

The S4 isn't because of Marine PA w/BC, it because of their implants.

>>44332769
Actually, almost every GW store employee only knows what's coming up when they pick up the newest White Dwarf.
That is literally how little they know about what's in the works.

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>>44332838
Scholar students are all trained in the same classes and towards the end of their time in the Scholar they are fed into specific classes based on their aptitudes.
The girls that hit the marks to become a Sororita, on graduation from the Schola, are then taken to one of several major Sororita facilities on Terra, Ophelia VII and I think, San Leor to begin as Novicates.
There is a big ceremony held in which graduating Novicates are informed which of the Order paths is chosen for them and which Order they will specifically be joining.
Once there they begin their new life as a full-fledged Sororitas.

This is according to numerous GW specific sources. Mostly prior to Codex Witch Hunter who didn't go into much detail.
BL and FFG have had their own ideas about how it works since then.

>>44320678
is there a version of this with white hair?

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>>44333574
Sorry, wrong pic

>>44333197

Yeah PA increases strength, just not enough to notice on the tabletop. Power armor doesn't propel a S3 peak human strongman into S4 superhuman monster territory. Each increase of 1 in a stat is humongous. Like the difference between an elephant and the world's strongest man.

>>44333574
you're a monster: I'm a hardened neckbeard but still my heart is melting.
And I'll have to wait until next summer to be in care of young children again. Truly, such cruelty was rarely matched.

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>>44333627
http://www.ex-manus.com/store/product/ind-002
Don't mind me, just shilling.

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foul hellspawn get thee back from what foul pit you dragged yoruself out of this time!!!

>>44321914
The SOB are the sybol of the purity of man with the holy might of the emperor they strike down all those who stand against him and pollute the human race with their genetic filth be they alien, xeno, witch, or ..................

>>44321820
Most Ecclesiarchy buildings are made like that. To act as giant, ostentatious bunkers that can survive the end of the world.

So when a world is destroyed the building just floats around in space?

>>44333855
>just floats around in space?
It honestly would not surprise me.
>Blow up a shrine world
>All the buildings remain joined together like a tiny, sunless Dyson Sphere.

>>44332699
My bad, my infantry is entirely made of recasts from my friend, and he made extra versions by headswapping so that each body comes helmeted/unhelmeted - I forgot he did this.

(Also my army cost me £2 a fig for all types, so not bad)

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>>44333855
Faith doesn't need a planet, just what's left of it. Even the Dark Angels can tell you that.

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>>44331188
Those poor women

>>44334598
Never trust Slaanesh - you ask for a handjob, you'll never walk again, and you don't want to know why.

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>>44334903
typical