Horus Heresu 30k General: Happy Hereliday Edition

>>44269807
Lorgar did nothing wrong.

>>44269807
Horus for best primarch

Anyone have any good pictures of Cataphractii? Especially heads?

Anons, I need help. I cant decide if I should model the BaC chaplain with a chainfist or lighting claw instead of the plasma pistol, Im thinking of using the pointing power fist from the termies to make the lighting claws.

Which is the better loadout? AP4+AP3 or AP2 plus tank killing potential?.

>>44270922
if your giving it a lightning claw instead of pistol,, you might as well replace the crozius with another.

>>44269807

Whats the best way to use a Warsmith in an IW army, he doesn't really have many options outside of being a beat stick, but he can take relics so im thinking just keep him bare bones but with the void shield harness and then leave him to defend something like a Havoc squad

Dubs picks my legion to start.

>>44271908
2nd Legion.

>>44271875
take kyr vhalen

>>44271908
Blood Angels.

>>44271908

Mechanicum

>>44271908
Ultramarines

>>44271955
THE PACT IS SEALED.

>>44271955
Welcome to the best legion.

>>44271955
G
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OF THEM ALL

r8 my 3k iron warriors, last time the only response was decimation/10 which is either "good but not the best" or 1/10

Centurion, Siege Breaker, 1 phosphex bomb, cataphractii, chainfist

Praetor, Hammer of olympia, blind helm, cataphractii, MC paragon blade, digital lasers

20 Tactical Marines

18 Tactical Marines

10 Tactical Marines, Rhino, Melta Bomb for sarge

Storm Eagle, 2TL lascannon, armoured ceramite, shrapnel shells

3x Medusa, TL bolters, dozer blades

Sicaran Battle Tank, Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, HB Sponsons, Shrapnel Shells

Sicaran Battle Tank, Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, HB Sponsons, Shrapnel Shells

Spartan Assault Tank, Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield, Dozer Blade, Pintle HB, Shrapnel Shells

Typhon Heavy Siege Tank, HB Sponsons, Pintle HB, Shrapnel Shells, Armoured Ceramite,

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>>44271955

>>44271955
Thanks. I guess Rowboat is my spiritual liege either way. Might as well go with the best legion.

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>>44269807
Got the Calth box, going to use it for my M31-M41 chapter with pic related colors, is there a guide anywhere to paint black and yellow in FW's realistic gritty style?

>>44272362
all according to keikaku

keikaku means stratagem

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>>44272155
> No tyrants
> No iron havocs

decimation/10 was correct

>>44272769
idk mang, tyrants are baller but they are more expensive than a typhon for a full squad, and i feel like the typhon will probably end up doing more work for me in the long run, and havocs eat HS slots that i want for muh tanks

>>44272769
L I T E R A L L Y W H O ?

>>44272881
fair enough on the havocs.

personally i like to use at least one unit of the legions special stuff in any army.

>>44272940
definitely, i'm just gonna wait until tyrants actually have models to use them
also, castellan rhinos when

>>44272972

When we get the Iron Circle

Any Ultramarines players out there? How are Locutarus and Fulmentarus? Both look cool. Locutarus in an Orbital Strike army might be fun.

>>44273063
Orbital Assault, sorry

>>44272972
> no tyrants
> justerians have models

why do you do this, forgeworld?

>>44273141
because just like in the fluff, iron warriors players are unloved and given the shit end of any deal, case in point, out chest upgrade bits and the derp contemptor

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>>44273141
laughingdeathguardsluts.jpeg

But seriously 1 army having 2 Terminator squads is a bit much. I would have preferred if instead of Grave Wardens, Death Guard had a unique Power Armoured Destroyer squad like pic related.

>>44273203
It's not all bad, you've got good head upgrades, good rules for units that have no models and one of the better primarchs.

what i'd like to know is what the SoH heads are supposed to be. they look like fish.

>>44273289
I think they tried to make them look like something from the cthulhu mythos, since they come from the planet Cthonia. Hence the slightly fishy/aquatic look. Sea green plate helps too.

>>44272557
Anybody?

>>44273417
huh, i guess that makes sense.

still, more reasons that luna wolves > sons of horus.

>>44273141
At least you might get models, IF only get conversion packs instead of actual models for their special units. Shit sucks.

>>44272155
Why a squad of 20 and a squad of 18 rather than two squads of 19?

>>44273474
I don't like the helmets, but the sea green/bronze/black combo is beautiful imo. Black and white seems bland in comparison.

Do prefer the Luna Wolves to the SoH in the books though, for obvious reasons.

>>44273631
i am throwing in gold and black to all the non troop marines to break the monotony a little, termi's for example look great in black and gold or even white and gold.

>>44273417
I'm pretty sure cthon actually refers to earth rather than water.

>>44273478
plus the shields look fucking stupid. If they're supposed to be amongst the best boarders in the legions, why are they using kite shields, that don't cover your legs or form a wall easily.

>>44273723
I think theyre better for parrying a charge which is what they seem to do in terms of rules.

>>44273509
>why a squad of 18
so i can put the centurion in the storm eagle, since he's in termie armour

>>44273684
Yeah, but it's not like GW will have looked into it.

>>44271955

Vei
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dubs for new legion to be picked.

>>44274446
XI legion.

>>44274466
>XI legion
fuck

>>44274446
I R O N W I T H I N

I R O N W I T H O U T

Dubs for a legion that is around the time of the horus heresy.

>>44274523
Death Guard

>>44274523
Dark Angels

>>44274523
White Scars

>>44274523
Space Wolves

How many Fallen Angels were there?
Are we talking like a couple hundred dudes or half the legion?

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Ignore the caseless pillow. I just got the Sons of Horus BaC task force. I'm a bit... lost. Where can I find in-depth guides for assembly and painting? I have next to no idea what to do. Do I need to buy an airbrush?

>>44274523
Night Lords

>>44274523
Space Sharks.

>>44274523
Sons of Horus

>>44274523
The VIIIth

>>44275377
Does this count as ravenguard?

>>44275356
>Where can I find in-depth guides for assembly
Try looking in the BaC box.

>>44275471
>opening it
I'm scared to

>>44275428
Rerolling for those dirty dubs.

Alpha Legion

>>44275453
Do it faggot, a pale nomad army with rundown Mad Max styled vehicles and destroyers out the ass.

Set bolters to OVERKILL!.

>>44275489
In that case I'll take it off your hands.

>>44274523
Rainbow warriors

Or blood angels

Would a Iron Warriors list with 3x Whirlwind Scorpius, 3x Whirlwinds, and a Castellum with five Whirlwind launchers be fluffy or too much annoying arty spam?

>>44274523
World Eaters

XX

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>>44271908
>>44271943
I agree, our legion rules will be dropping any day now. We need more brothers. For Sanguinius and the Emperor!

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>>44269807
>Heretics get valuable fuel and good armour
As it should be. Loyalist scum.

>>44276849
I want to know what the hell divers were and what happened to them, they sound cool.

>>44276866
dammit of all the people to get the dub

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>>44276879
Start your pale nomad army you triple nigger.

>>44276859
The devil is not mocked.

doing my best to get the same color as the turquoise AL on forgeworld but without being lazy and using tomiya clear paint. Also I can't find any.

It's going okay with metallic medium and turquoise over Vallejo dark blue but I still feel like I'm missing something (besides details)

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I cant decide what to paint next out of my enormous pile

http://strawpoll.me/6314857

>>44277202
>http://strawpoll.me/6314857
Stop at every 20 Tacticals to do up a Primarch. Mix it up, senpai.

>>44275356

Every day I wake up and find myself reminded how stupid the average person is. Why live?

>>44274523
Second for rainbow warriors

>>44274523
Here's my second vote for 30k era Space Sharks.

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>>44274523
WORLD
EATERS

>>44276866
Think you mean Hell Riders.

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>>44272557
Not sure if FW published a guide anywhere.
But an Anon posted a nice quite guide to toned black a few threads back, you could use that (found it, have included it).

As for the yellow, that probably comes down to not making the yellow too bright and washing it down with a brown or black wash to make it look grittier.

>>44277453
Yes, I meant that. They sounded like they were the original legion and were somehow wiped out or something, either way I want to know more.

>>44277337
No need to be a heartless asshole senpai

>>44277588
In his defense, it was a pretty dumb question. Like, do you have any experience putting space marines together at all? It's pretty straightforward.

Also, fuck you for getting dubs. Those were supposed to be mine.

>>44277731
None whatsoever. Literally my first time. The assembly guide is pretty simple. Painting is what I'm most concerned about.

>>44277823
Oh fuck, never mind then. You're in for a hell of a ride.

Word of advice, by the way. If you're new at all to painting, I'd seriously advise picking up a cheap couple of space marines to practice your technique on. If you blow your load all over the BaC set, you're going to regret it a year or two down the line when they look like shit compared to what you can paint then.

>>44277823
Watch a tutorial video for the scheme youre going yo paint. Watch several of them. Listen to everything the guy says, and pay attention to the consistency of his various paints/colors. Try to duplicate everything you like.

>>44277864
>>44277921
Thanks for the tips. Also, should I buy Citadel paints or is there a better alternative?

>>44277823
>Step one:
Acquire three crappy space marines. These ones: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marines
>Step two:
Find a very simple color scheme--not yellow, red, orange, white, or bone. I personally feel that dark blue is an easy one to start with.
>Step three
Find a tutorial video for that scheme, or find a recipe and watch a couple general videos to get technique tips. You want at the very least a basecoat and a highlight, and probably a wash as well.
>Step four:
Prime and paint the first marine. He may look like shit or he may look okay. Doesn't matter. Do the same for the other two.
>Step five
Strip the paint off of them by soaking them in Simple Green for 24 hours and scrubbing them with a toothbrush in the sink.
>Step six
Prime and paint them again.
>Step seven
You're probably ready at this point to start on the BaC marines. Don't paint anything besides basic space marines until you have a full tac squad you can field, then you'll be good enough to start on your characters, vehicles, etc.

>>44277963
Doesn't matter as long as it's explicitly an acrylic paint for miniatures. Citadel, Vallejo, Coat D'Arms, and others are all good, and it's silly to restrict yourself to just one. I like vallejo and citadel the best; the former for their dropper bottles and nice color sets, the latter for some fantastic colors and really good shades and technical paints. It's all down to your own preference, really.

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>>44277963
Citadel paints are pretty good, honestly. It can take quite a bit of money to get started with what you need though. Personally, I mostly use Vallejo acrylics.

If you haven't already, you should lurk /wip/ and get some feedback from the guys there, as well as watch some based Duncan.

>>44274523
Imperial fists shitters

>>44278021
Thank you for this. I'll definitely be trying what you suggested. I've found several SoH painting guides so I guess I can play around with those crappy marines and see what works and what doesn't. Also, the 'thin your paints' thing... Should I just dab my brush in water before painting a section?

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>>44275651
Don't open it

>>44278085
The GW youtube channel has fantastic tutorial vids. It's what the Duncan guy >>44278051 is talking about is from. He always makes a point of showing how to thin your paints in each video. Watch at least one of those vids, no matter what model its for--painting techniques will transfer to a wide variety of models.

Incidentally, I didn't mention it in my other post, but SoH are definitely one of the easy legions for beginners. I would highly recommend you prime black and put on a couple thin coats of paint to work up to the color you want. Priming white requires a lot more work to cover up every inch of the model or else the white peeks through.

>>44269807

So I was looking through the Tahgmata army list book, and I didn't realize just how much the Admech had changed.

Cybernetica and reductor are not functionally rites of war, and wow does it suck to use Cybernetica if you don't want to just spam Castellax...which I mean...is viable...but that tax of 'must have a cortex in every slot before other options' makes it a bitch to squeeze aircraft and auxilla in.

Someone mind giving me some feedback on this list?

Tahgmata List (3,000)

HQ

Archmagos Prime (300)
-Cyber familiar
-Machinator array
-Paragon Blade
-Abeyant
-Rad Furnace
-Phase walker

Elites

Tech priest Auxilla (110)
+1 adept
-Lacyraemarta
-Enginseer
-Cortex controller
-Servo-Automata servo arm
-2x Servitor flamer

Troops

Castellax maniple (360)
-3x Robots
-3x Enhanced Targeting Array

Castellax maniple (360)
-3x Robots
-3x Enhanced Targeting Array


Castellax Maniple (420)
-3x robots
-3x Enhanced Targeting Array
-3x Darkfire Cannons

Thallax (150)
-multi-melta

Thallax (145)
-phased plasma fusil

Adsecularis (35 points)

Fast Attack

Vorax Battle Automata (105 pts)
-Bio-corrosive rounds
-Paragon of metal

Heavy Support

Thanatar Siege-Automata (270)
-Enhanced Targeting Array

Krios Venator (150)

Krios Venator (150)

Lord of War

Knight Atrapos (445)
-Occular Augmetics

Plan is to have the Vorax as an outflanking distraction unit, thanatar stays back with the DFC robots and auxilla walks up with the castellax to keep them in line. Archmagos teleports around ruining bitches and claiming objectives.

I'm not sure if it's better to go with 2 small groups of thallax, one for deepstrike tank hunting and one for utility, or a group of 6 with 2 multi-meltas. Also, do you think I should try to squeeze in a dominius and then hide it in a group of castellax for more cortex coverage? I was gonna keep them as one big super dangerous blob of bullets to support my knight.

>>44278160
*are now functionally.

Also, those point increases suck, but Castellax were the most under-costed unit ever basically.

>>44278160
Lacyraemarta priests are only really good if you have tech thralls. 2*20 thralls are sickeningly good back feild objective cappers

>>44278697
Not worth it for the survivability of the priest? Hmm..5+ FNP and a second wound healed for 20 points not worth it?

List is 2995pts atm. What could I put in place? Minor thrall upgrades?

>>44275356
New to wargaming in general anon? You sure went in the deep end. Go to your flgs and have a chat, ask for some guidance etc. They likely have a bitsbox, get some cheap ass models out of there and use them to practice before you touch your expensive and lovely HH stuff. IF yout lgs is a GW they are pretty much obligated to help you out, but your results may vary.

Apart from that, google. Maybe youtube vids on getting started, assembly, painting, etc.

Don't expect stuff to be easy, but it's easier than you think when you can find someone with the rights advise.

>>44274199
Old GW would had a clue about stuff like that that. Those authors actually read books that wasn't published ny BL.

Alpha Legion.

>>44279560

>Meme Legion.

>>44279595
Thanks largely to /tg/

>>44279595
They are all meme legions.

>>44271955
Welcome to generic romans in space mediocrity

I jest

Welcome to just generic romans in space

They do ACTUALLY look cool but their rules are strictly in the middle.

>>44272155
>decimation/10
That was me. You're list is good and meatgrinderyfluffy. I'm just a sucker for legion-specific units finding their way into lists; Which I get is totally on me.

And >>44272769/>>44272940 apparently. Highfive later.

>>44274523
>>44275377
>>44275453
>>44275630
>>44276911
[MAXIMUM ENEMY AND CIVILIAN CASUALTIES INTENSIFIES]
XIX/Pale Nomads

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>>44271955
Spiritual liege/10

>>44279752
Suzerains are pretty damn sweet though.

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>>44273276
. . . those backpacks look REALLY good with that armour and scheme. Fuck.

>>44278160
I wish I could, but many of us are still relying on 1d4 for information on the Mechanicum red book. Mechanicum is pretty solidly powerful no matter how it's built and this list looks fun to use and play, so that's as much as I can give.

LEMAN RUSS, The Wolf King 400pts
WS 8 BS 5 S 7 T 6 W 6 I 6 A 5 Sv 2+/4++
Infantry (Character)

1 (Unique)

Wargear:
Mjalnar: S: User Ap 2 Melee Instant death
For games set during the Battle of Prospero Mjalnar may be replace with the Spear of Russ
The Spear of Russ: S: -1 Ap 1 Melee Witch-Bane
Witch-Bane: When in a challenge against an enemy psyker all blessings that the opponent in the challenge have is negated
Fenris' Maw: Range 12 S 5 Ap 4 Assault 3
The Wolf-Guard: 2+ Armour save and a 4+ Invulnerable save

Special rules:
Primarch
Preferred enemy (Primarch)
Night vision
Sire of the Vlka Fenryka: All Space Wolves gain +1 Ld, all Space Wolves in the same Detachment as Leman Russ gain the outflank and acute senses special rules, all Space Wolves in the same unit as Leman Russ gain the Crusader Special rule
Very Bulky
Relentless Duelist: All opponents in a challenge with Leman Russ suffer -2 WS

What do you think?

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>>44281808

So.... If I get a veteran squad and give them sniper, all weapons in the squad use the sniper rule, corrent? So a Missile Launcher would fire 4+ poison, ap5, blast or poison 4+, ap 3, 1shot. And str 4 against vehicles.

Is there anyway to not use the sniper rule for those models equipped with special weapons?

>>44282081
According to the FAQ, how it works is

- ap2 if you roll a 6 to wound
- always wound on at least at 4+, but if S is better, use that
- at least s4 on vehicles.

So for a missile launcher all you really get is assurances against t9/t10, and ap2 on wound rolls of 6.

Sniper works great with Heavy Bolters though.

>>44282183
Possible instant death precision shots wouldn't be a terrible thing though..

Anyone know how to paint the thousand sons scheme forge world showed?
That shiny metallic red looks pretty.

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>>44282585

>Undercoat black
>Airbrush FW Iron Hands, leave black on lower parts
>Airbrush Runefang Steel on upper parts
>Airbrush multiple thin layer of clear red
>Shade recesses with Nuln Oil
>Weather edges with Runefang Steel

>>44281808

Leman Russ; the Wolf King 420pts

WS7 BS5 S6 T6 W6 I5 A5 Sv2+/4++
Infantry (Character)

1 (unique)

Wargear"
Mjalnar: S: +2 AP2 melee Instant Death
For games set during the battle of prosporo, may replace with spear of russ for 10 points with the following profile: S+1 AP1 melee Witchbane*
The Maw of Fenris: Range 24" S5 AP3 Assault 3
The Mantle of Wolf Lord: Inscribed with Ancient Fenrisian runes discovered during the travels of the wolf king, this armor grants uncanny protection. This armor grants a 2+ armor save, a 4++ invul save, and psychic powers fail against Russ on a 4+, this is not a deny the witch roll. All enemies suffer -1 to hit against Russ while in melee combat.

Special Rules:
Primarch
Preferred Enemy: (Psykers)
Night Vision
Very Bulky
Sire of the Space Wolves: Leman Russ has the Crusader and Rage special rule. All Troop Choices with the Legiones Astartes (Space Wolves) in an army containing Leman Russ gain outflank and accute senses special rule and gain deny the witch special rule.

For 100 points, Leman Russ may call forth his great wolves, Freki and Geri. These wolves are deployed on the table with Leman Russ in base contact. Once the game starts they function as an independent unit. The Wolves have the following profile.

WS5 BS0 S6 T6 W3 I4 A3 LD6 Sv4+
Beast (Character)

Special Rules:
Smash
Legions Astartes (Space Wolves)
*Witchbane: Wounds models with the (Psyker) Rule on a 2+, wounds inflicted this weapon force a roll on the perils of the warp table with a -1 applied to dice rolls.

>>44283961
Deny the witch isn't a special rule
Also, I think you're going a bit heavy on the anti-psyker, when Russ and the Wolves were more anti-marine

Anyone got any good sources for mongolian heads for white scars?

does anybody else find most space battles really boring and poorly written as fuck?

>>44286032
Eh I like a lot of them in the HH and NL Omnibus. I think the white books, Space Marine Battles series or whatever its called - those are awful. Ive read a few, and it felt like reading a comic book without the illustrations.

>>44284917
I meant adamantium will. But I am dumb.

>>44286109
We already knew that, you are homebrewing rules for Russ after all...

>>44274446
Ultramarines

>>44286032
In my opinion the two actual Battlefleet Gothic books (by Gordon Rennie) have some pretty cool battles in them (The Gothic War bundle), and the description of the close quarter space battles in the Dembski-Bowden Nightlord trilogy novels are rather cool as well.

>>44271875
>>44271927
attach him to an iron havoc squad with missile launchers, put them behind an aegis defense line, and have kyr man the quad gun. lets you take advantage of his special rules and gives you a solid AA unit

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>>44286215
>Attacks Spess wulfs at every opportunity
>Amidoinitriteguzz?

>>44279752
Extremely late high five

You guys think FW will ever add assassins as agents of the emperor in the future? Might be nice to see in an FAQ.

>>44286534
i think you mean
>"homebrews r stoopid n ghey"
>"amicoolyetgiuzzz"

>>44278160
>>44278224

when did they increase the castellax's costs? I thought it was still 85 pts, or am I wrong?

>>44287369
I'd be happy to see that. Especially if there were differences back then compared to now.

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>>44287603
They increased the points in the Mechanicum red book.

>>44287794

Thank you. Time to revaluate the IH list and see what must go in order to accomodate this new info.

>>44287623
Maybe they'll be elite choices in a SoS/Custodes list.

>>44287369
Well, a Calidus kills Konrad.

>>44287794
So are people still salty that GW didn't reproduce the Castellax in plastic for 40k?

>>44291022
I like the Castellax in Resin.

I already magnetized mine so that they can swap between Bolt Cannons and Darkfires, and Bolter/Flamer/Siege Wrecker on each Castellax. I also made the top-mounted turrets turnable.

With Plastic, they would likely change the attachment points, making it not feasible to magnetize them entirely.

Or they would BaC contemptor-ify it, and make one that was stuck in MBC+2x Bolter config with a strange pose.

Any good alternative ultramarine schemes so the marines don't just like the 40k version of the army.

>>44291022
Why would they? Kastelans are robots that need someone to give them orders, while Castellaxes are more independent with cybernetic brains. The idea is to have a distinction between Mechanicum and Mechanicus. They're not the same, as neither are SM legions and chapters.

What's with Mk. 2, 3 and 4 suits being no longer available on FW store? They're not "out of stock," they're "no longer available," the stuff GW says when they stop producing a model. Are they replacing them with new sculpts or something?

>>44292404
Probably need rescuplting to match the BaC stuff. The guns needed to be redone with hands attached, so now the need to redo their suits to not have hands on the right arm.

>>44292404

I would imagine they're replacing them with new sculpts that are missing the right hand so they can fit with the new heavy/special weapons

>>44291022
No because I dislike GW plastics. I was looking at my friend's BaC Cataphractii terminators yesterday and the detail is horrible compared to the resin versions.

>>44292494
>>44292530
Don't different suits have different arms? So wouldn't this cause problems?

dubs gets to pick my legion

>>44293172
Istvaan survivors Emperor's Children led by Rylanor.

>>44293172
Legion II.

>>44293266
You dicked him

>>44276849
Too bad no sanguinius or legion units.. I do like their photon blade relic. I'm holding out until I see all the legion rules like BA, DA, and TS. Otherwise I'm going with AL

>>44293172
Iron hands

>>44293266
how the nigger do I play them? Custodes it is.

>>44293172
Word bearers

>>44293341
>how the nigger do I play them?

You don't, they're deeeeeaaaaaaad!

>>44293341
They're Ultramarines now. We count those.

>>44293375
The only way to win is not to play.

>>44293172
Mentors

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So, I'm spitballing ideas for an army, and one idea that I came up with: a small Word Bearers force that broke off from the rest of the legion and essentially taken-in by the proto-Inquisition as one of the first penance crusaders. They're constantly hounded by the Word Bearer branch from which they splintered off of.

That's just the bare bones of what I have so far, but I'm not sure about it yet.

>Why?

I really like the post-Heresy Word Bearer color scheme, and I'd like a reason for how I could play both Loyalist and Traitor versions of it.

Although, I understand that when it comes to playing Loyalist versions of Traitor legions, especially those that maintain the colors of the Traitors, the Word Bearers are particularly difficult to justify, since they've been knee-deep (at best, probably) in Chaos stuff for much longer, and had quite a bit more time to prune-out the doubters.

>>44283961
Russ was pretty well affected by psychic powers. His whole legion was, to the point they were getting squashed on the ground despite no space and air resistence, until the sisters started doing their stuff.

Ahriman said they rune priests are kind of annoying to perceive in the warp, that's about it.

I'd remove the witchbane because there's no basis on that and instead give him his Howl, maybe as a once per game deal. Deal d3 auto-hits on all enemy units within 12", change that to d6 and Fear on units with a Psyker.

The BAC contemptor only comes with one Kheres cannon right? I'd have to get another one from FW or from another BAC set?

>>44296663
Yes. You get the assault cannon, a multi-melta and a dread arm with combi-bolter.

mfw still can't decide between Alpha Legion and Sons of Horus. Rolling the dice doesn't do it for me.

>>44297083
Sea-green Luna Wolves who won't stand for turning against the Imperium.

>>44297131
>who won't stand for turning against the Imperium.

Or will they?

Has anybody else here had any luck with a 30k list against 40k armies? I bought the BaC box to build a Red Scorpions army, but I keep checking out this 30k general and seeing all these cool legions with interesting rules...I want to play a tactical marine heavy army...should I go 30k or just stick with tactical heavy Red Scorpions since they have access to all the 40k toys that'll help me keep up with the Tau/Eldar/Necrons at my store?

>>44297393
play 30k where tacticals are actually useful and not just a way to put more razorbacks on the table

>>44297411
How are they made more useful?

>>44298035
they have fury of the legion, so they can doubletap their bolters once per game and just fuck somebody off the board, as well as being one of the few units that actually score
also, 30k is more balanced, and fun, than regular 40k because there isnt shit like wraithknights and stormsurges and whatnot running around, its all pretty much a fair fight except where the alpha legion is involved

>>44298057
Is horde mode any good?

>>44298070
By which I mean large tactical blobs. Or is it sill everyone to the rhinos

>>44298070
depends on the legion you take and whatnot, but my iron warriors have 60 tactical marines at 3k points, 2 20 man squads and 2 10 mans, world eaters also do lots of muhreens well, really depends on the legion

>>44292279
Paint them however you want, slap some toilet symbols on there and come up which a fluff reason why your dudes are different
>Oh MY Ultramarines repainted themselves red for absolution for genociding the people of Colocia V when they later found out that they WERE going to join the Imperium
Or whatever

>>44298102
I was going to still use blue I was just wondering if they had alt schemes like how IF have the black and yellow scheme in the HH FW books with large portions of the model being black

>>44298110
Hence where the paint them however you want and come up which a fluff reason comes in, I only used red as an example.

>>44298110
Their pre-unification colours were dark grey I believe. Their destroyers still use it. Just add a little blue and you're good to go.

Would you field 2 Castellax with darkfire cannon or just run them with the bolter cannons with the enhanced targeting array? point difference is just 10.

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Is there a collection of the artwork from the old collectible card game? The illustrations for that are what really got me interested in the Heresy era.

>>44298196
Visions of Heresy, there's a .pdf on kickass.

>>44298177
Depends what role you're using them as. Marine killers? Maulers with Targeting Array. Tank hunters? Darkfire Cannons.

>>44298177
Always run the ETA. Then Darkfire if you have some termis to deal with. Otherwise S7 lance isnt great AT when theres plenty of better options.

>>44298282

Rest of the list contains immortals, 2 tacticals, 1 contemptor with conversion beam, predator with plasma exterminator, a vindicator and 10 heavy with autocannons. What would you reckon is needed?

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Dubs picks my legion.

>>44292299
I mostly seem to recall a general stink about them not looking like the FW kastellax.

I rather enjoyed the 50's sci-fi robot, though. It makes me think of something that predates the Imperium that the AdMech got their hands on.

>>44298347
2nd legion

>>44298347
Alpha Legion

>>44298347
Space Wolves.

>>44298347
Ultramarines

>>44298347

Dark Angels

>>44298347
Minotaurs.

>>44298365
>that predates the Imperium that the AdMech got their hands on.

The kastelans ARE pre-imperium tech. They are pure robot, no servitor.

>>44298365
First for maximizing enemy, ally, and civilian casualties to minimize your own.

Pale Nomads

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Speculation? Looks like a Primarch base

>>44298347
sons of horus

>>44298388
shit that second quote was supposed to be for >>44298347

>>44298390

Probably Corax.

>>44298347
dork angels

>>44298390
Its the special Christmas limbo marine

>>44298393
So be it, who are the pale nomads

>>44298390
Please be Corax

What is that next to that marines left hand? looks like the end of 3D maneuver gear.

Corax fights titans confirmed

>>44298406
Oh raven guard who corax didn't love?

>>44298406
They are the Terran-born pre-Corax XIX legionaries. They were known for brutally effective raids, infiltration/sabotage missions, and their "Ends justify the means" attitude. They are reasonable marines if they were lawful evil. They were often used by Horus to run black ops. They were quick, effective, dirty, and merciless. They are also proto-Carcharodons.

>>44298436
Im guessing they were all over beakies as well.

>>44298436
Thats a badass choice. My thanks anon.

>>44298443
No, pre-corax meant pre-heresy which means pre-beakies. MKII-V.

>>44298347
Ultramarines

>>44298453
Oh thats nice!

>>44298347
World Eaters

>>44298449
You're welcome. A common nickname along side the Pale Nomads was the Dust Clad; This was due to them applying war paint made of Asiatic dust to their faces pre-battle. Book 3 Extermination has all their fluff.

>>44298541
Yeah I'm reading it now.

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>>44298541

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>>44298541
These guys are pretty fucking rad. Although they are pre beakie, I assume you could justify mk4. If I was made of money they would all rock mk2. I also wonder what Iconography they would have, the tattoo marking thing sure, but not the raven and they aren't sharks yet, hmm. Maybe legion number or nothing at all.

>>44298411
looks like a bolt pistol

>>44296516
IMO if some WBs remained loyal and were sent on a penance crusade they'd probably revert back to the old grey colour scheme and call themselves Imperial Heralds again. Sorry but if you want red WBs you're going to have to be traitor

>>44298390
Maybe it's Magnus messing up some Space Wolves?

>>44298876
They could be word bearers who dabbled in chaos, found it degenerate and distasteful compared to the old imperial cult and now seek to kill every word bearer that lives. But he's right if your word bearers are red they have done some dirt.

Any nice way of getting the FW Alpha legion scheme but matt instead of shiny

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>>44299013
You mean like this ?

>>44299013
Dull aluminium as Base, hit with matte varnish? Or use a normal turquoise and shade in a similar way?

>>44299054
Seems a bit dark.

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>>44299013
This is good
http://huntersofthewarp.forumakers.com/t5326-how-to-paint-alpha-legion-armor

>>44298347
IW

>>44298347
Night Lords

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Which legion should I play using BaC out of Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard or White Scars

also feel free to dubs for them

>>44299422
>everybody posting to get dubs
>post telling others to get dubs gets dubs
>such is life in capitalist society

I suggest Raven Guard, though all four are awesome.

>>44299422
Raven Guard or White Scars

>>44299422
scars the mongol horde calls you

>>44299452
I was considering doing my 40k marines as raptors. Could go for that continuity between the two forces.

>>44299463
thank you for your contribution. Scars have a great colour scheme.

>>44299471
seems we're coming to a tie between ravens and mongols

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>>44299422

Raven Guard.

Infiltrate shit onto your opponent's doorstep and blast that fucker before he even has a chance to react.

>>44299422
Scars because EZ to paint: dunk models in tub of white house paint and then for the red apply evil sunz scarlet to your fingers and use flicking motions to spray towards the models

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>>44299497
>>44299504
Thank you for these contributions and continuing the tie breaker. Enjoy this offering of a moritat.

>>44299575
Very cool dynamic pose.
How often does he blow himself up with those 2 plasma pistols?

>>44299624
not mine but could make a good kaedes nex stand in for ravens

>>44299624
I don't know how often do you blow yourself up with your two dicks lmfao

>>44299642
well chainfire does have some drawbacks for weapons with "Gets Hot", so I was wondering if it was worth it. He won't maintain a chain for very long, given that almost a 3rd of his shots will try and burn his face off.

>>44298347
Emperor's Children

>>44299422
Raven Guard

>be living on my own now
>parents always say that I never ask for enough for Christmas
>this year I ask for a Spartan, 3 Rhinos, Guilliman, 2 Invictarus squads, among other things

All I really want is the Spartan. I'll post my swag here if I get more than that.

>>44299671
Thats what I dont get about Moritats. They obv cant use Plasma Pistols right? Since they keep rolling hits until they get a 1 with each pistol. Seems dumb.

>>44299422
Imperial Fist.

>>44300421
it's actually worse than that, according to the FAQ plasma pistols overheat on a 1 and 2 when he's using chainfire...

>>44298917
Or Russ messing up some Thousand Sons
Or Omegon messing up some Alpha Legion :S

>>44300421

If he has artificer armor he'll probably be fine

>>44300547
Actually, the "tuesday" page is live in New Zealand, and you can see both a Ravenguard symbol on the model, as well as 1 wing from what can only be "The Raven's Pinions" jump pack. In other words, it's Corvus Corax, almost guaranteed.

>>44300530
So a Moritat does two wounds to himself everytime he uses chain-fire? Unless he decides to just stop firing before he rolls a 1 or a 2? Which Im pretty sure you cant do.

So a Moritat is pretty useless when you consider all the restrictions and drawbacks.

How do people use them effectively?

>>44300552
Isnt plasma AP 2, bypassing the armor save?

>>44300577
There happen to be an image around?

>>44300606
AP not used for gets-hot

>>44300606

All Get Hot does is force an armor save

>>44300547
Cant be cause The Thousand Son and the Alpha Legion had Mk4 armor

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>>44300623
Here's the FW FAQ entry on the Moritat Chainfire rule. As you can see, you'll want to avoid weapons with "Gets Hot" as a Moritat. So either bolt pistols or volkite serpentas, but the plasma is a risk.

>>44300623
>>44299932
Sorry, misunderstood the question, here is the correct one.

>>44298347
Blood angels

Doubles decide which doubles I get.

>>44300788
no worries
chears mate, yea thats totally corax

>>44301075
checkum

>>44298347
iron warriors

>>44301075

These dubs

>>44299126

Ugh that's awesome and better than what I accomplished

>>44300592
You don't use 2 plasmas.. maybe one plasma and a volkite.. or arguably that Alpha legion pistol relic.

>>44300592
No. Chain-fire weapons are treated independently. For all other weapons, once it misfires you can continue firing with the second. Plasma is different; it Gets Hot on a 1 OR a 2, and any Gets Hot roll immediately ends the chainfire. So he'll only ever be able to wound himself once with plasma, even if firing both at the same time.

>>44302490
>or arguably that Alpha legion pistol relic.
I have seen a Moritat with Drakaina and Plasma Pistol absolutely wreck shit. It can be a very potent combo, and you pay out the ass for it.

>>44298347
Word Bearers

>>44303778

So close, yet so far

>>44298347

Imperial Fists

>>44300530

Makes sense though. Previous Moritat was all like "I'M SO SKILLED EVEN MY WEAPON EXPLOSIONS ARE HEADSHOTS ON THE ENEMY". If a plasma pistol overheats when it gets fired once, it'll overheat when it gets fired multiple times too. You don't magically "not overheat" just because you're highly skilled and accurate and spam the plasma pistol repeatedly.

>>44304413
oh I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, it most certainly does. You're firing it a lot more frequently than normal, so it's bound to overheat more. It's good fix, but it does weaken the weapon as a choice quite a bit. Still quite a cool skill though.

'just get clear.'
Lorgar lowered his ruined hand, and started crawling.
Hahahahahahahaha
LORGARFAGS BTFO

>>44298347
Salamanders

>>44298347
Alpha Legion

>>44298347
space yiffs

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Jigsaw got an update. It's obviously a primarch. People are saying Corax, based on the wing, but it looks too angular to me. I want to say it's Dorn with some funky golden aquila on his armor.

>>44304682

It might be angular because Corax is swooping? And we're seeing the wing from a slightly above angle since Corax is leaning/parallel to the ground. Because otherwise Dorn went full eagle mode with a wing bigger than his body.

When are they going to release the new Mk V/Blackshields?

I need Mk V but the only kit they have right now is the assault marines and I'm not paying for the jump packs.

>>44304572
Source?

>>44304880
Betrayer, near the end of chapter six

>>44304682
Wasn't there a cover with corax? He seemed to have very similar jetpacks wings on it.

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>>44304682
That's obviously the Raven Guard symbol there though.

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>>44304682

I hope he doesn't have the stupid Conan bowlcut.

>>44304765
>>44304924
The Korvidine Pinions is a ludicrously advanced jump pack, so it makes sense that its wings are somewhat angular.

>>44304928
Dorn's plastered with one-headed eagles, though.

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>>44305381
Every time I see Corax's face I just get reminded of Noel Fielding

>>44305514
holy fuck.

>>44298347
Loyalist Thousand Sons who become Blood Ravens in the future.

>>44305673
>>44305514
>>44305381
anyone want to take bets that they actually used his face for those shops?
Because the resemblance is almost uncanny.

>>44298347
Death Guard

>>44305705
I think they saw The mighty boosh and went "That goth guy looks cool! Stick him in the artwork!"

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>>44305181

Quick question, How should I field my Immortals? Right now I'm thinking 2 gravitons, 7 volkite chargers and a thunder hammer on the leader. Okay, or should I stick with bolters?

>>44298347
iron warriors
dont be a fag son

>>44305808
sounds entirely plausible, its probably how we ended up with Al Pacino the Dark Angel and Stallone staring as Marbo too.

>>44306000
>and Stallone staring as Marbo too.
Marbo is a blatant Rambo clone, of course he looks like Stallone. That's the point.

Alessio, Nelson, and the Perry's aren't an Easter egg, on the other hand, they're film accurate.

>>44306000
Marbo is an anagram for Rambo. Looks alone has nothing to do with it.

>>44306000

Don't forget the Loyalist World Eater who is Gerald Butler from 300.

>>44306144
ooh, I missed that one. Cool.

>>44306136
>>44306135
I know, couldn't think of another example off the top of my head, so Marbo/Rambo automatically came up.

>>44305922

Iron within iron without baby

>>44275356
>How to paint Sons of Horus marines

http://taleofpainters.blogspot.de/2013/10/tutorial-how-to-paint-sons-of-horus.html

This is a good 14 step tutorial on how to get the armor shade you're looking for, and its a lot like the paint tutorials you can download from gw when it comes to the pictures.

The assembly guide should be in the game itself, and I hope you enjoy your new set anon

So I was looking to model my world eaters tac squads with pistols and chainaxes but forgeworld don't seem to sell packs separately. Any advice on where I can get some?

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Get these guys, and pick up some chainaxes wherever you can get your hands on them.

Buying World Eaters and assembling them properly is suffering, my friend.

>>44300592
Serpenta and plasma. In 7th you complety resolve every diff weapon independently. Serpenta chews though the body guard wrapper. Then plasma eats the delicious inside.

>>44307204 was referring to >>44307156

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>>44305286
Not with he Raven guard symbol he ain't

Fuck, the White Scars are awesome, why do jet bikes have to be so god damn expensive?

Any advice on painting heresy era Blood Angels? I want to give them a nice weathered look.

>>44307728
Because they're fucking good.

I'm reading Betrayer now and is there a worse fucking character than Lotara?

Least likeable character I've come across in 30k

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>>44307957

Anon, why do you hate fun?

BRING ME CLOSER I WANT THEM TO BOARD US

WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY DEFENSE WENT DOWNPLANET?

>>44307204

I want to use FW axes but the stems are way too weak and fuck replacing them with rods.

>>44275356
You don’t need an airbrush. They’re helpful, doubly so for vehicles, but I wouldn’t use one at the beginning.

BaC should have assembly instructions for the plastics. Use plastic cement (ideally the liquidy kind with a brush applier, like Testor’s) for permanent bonds, if that’s what you want. You might choose to keep the arms off (maybe glued to each other, but not to the torso) so you can paint the chest and back of the weapon, but you really don’t have to. You can use putty to test-fit.

The Forge World stuff is resin and will only work with superglue. You can scrape resin with a knife (the back edge, usually), but don’t sand without a mask on or under running water – fine resin particles are bad for your lungs. Replace every chest, head, and shoulderpad with the FW Sons of Horus pieces. Though you don’t have to. If you think you might get more tactical marines later, feel free to save some. It’s great if every marine has a SoH-specific piece or two, but they don’t all need to have all the pieces. (They don’t even need any of them, it’s just for looks.)

Buy plastic clippers to take the pieces off the sprue – you can use that on resin too. Scrape or sand the mold lines. Glue together. Rinse in soapy water (optional: scrub lightly). Let dry. Prime. For convenience I’d buy an Army Painter (or similar) colored primer. Sit the can in warm water for several minutes before using, and shake very well. Spray into a box in your backyard. Shade/dip/wash, highlight, do the details, decorate the base, and play.

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>>44307800
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236305-the-sekhmet-hh-emperors-children-ba-finished-191215/?p=4256337

Open the spoiler on this page.

>>44308008
though why is Angron so fucking based in this book?

Spouting truth left and right

>>44307156
You could always go for Berserker Chain Axes.

Though you may not like the look.

>>44308038
Thanks brother

>>44308019
Yeah, I've had about 4 snap on me. Not even remotely worth it, and I'm never doing that shit again.

I'd honestly pick up some 40k plastic Khornate berserker axes, and just take off some of the more overtly chaotic trim.

>>44305889
I would do a fist instead of hammer. And volkite or flamers for special weapons. Graviton are heavy so not worth it at all in my opinion

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>>44308573
No problem. That guy is pretty good even makes space wo;ves look cool.

>>44309036
>space yiff
>has a helmet

So I've started listening to the audio book version of the First Heretic and its got me thinking. The XIII were chosen to sanction Lorgar as they were large, secular and had a lot of conquests but what do people think would happen if one of the other legions had been there?

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>>44309237
Maybe thats why I like him. His un yiff like behaviour.

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>>44307957
>>44308008

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>>44309304
unsanctioned fighting. Ultras are the best at being smug without fighting. Almost all the others would have to fight to feel better when lorgar pushed them or wouldn't do it in the first place.

>>44309036

Pic makes it look like he has an axe for a bayonet.

would the 40k SM bikes work in 30k? I know most SM equipment already existed in some form in 30k and the bike isn't ever said to be more recent

>>44309643

The only difference between them is visual, and that they only come in bolter variants.

Of course you get the standard complaints about using 40k modern mk 7 marines and possibly modern bikes instead of ancient style ones, but who has time to buy those expensive FW bikes.

>>44309711

Well the marines I would at least use the proper heads and chests, I don't think anyone would really see their legs enough to realize it's not MK4. White scars upgrade bits are cheap from chinaman, 30k bikes aren't. 40k bikes are.

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>>44309643
Slap some MK II-VI helmets on them and replace the bolters if you want them with plasma or melta instead, it won't look nearly as cool but it'll work.

>>44309775

If you want to be super accurate, there should be beaky biker legs you can use, and those are 30k "legal". Not sure about the bike design though, but I've only ever seen like one biker army using full FW.

>>44309855
>>44309779


I mean, chinaman has them for $38 for 3 which is a pretty fair price, how many would I be running in a fluffy Scars list? 20?

>>44309855
It's a big galaxy. Just say the "modern" bikes are a SUPER SECRET MARTIAN PROTOTYPE that was only being fielded in small numbers before the heresy.

>>44309887
When did Chinaman change his password?

>>44309889
I wouldn't even bother, it's a motorcycle, it hardly looks too different.

Might want to check the Chaos ones to see if that's more your bag.

>>44309889
With how much more decrepit they look I'd give their riders MK V armour and claim that their designs that were drummed up by the mechanicum to compensate for the lack of resources during the heresy.

>>44310017
>it hardly looks too different.

The FW one looks way better.

You're saying a rectangle hardly looks different than a half oval.

>>44310444
I meant that they both look like motorcycles, we're not jumping from classic reaver jetbike to deffcopta here.

>>44310444

I agree the FW one looks cool but I wouldn't even mind just mixing them since it's not like the Scars give a shit about uniformity.

I want to start up Blood Angels using the Angels Wrath ROW and use Assault Marines as troops however I've heard that they are overcosted, is it worth just replacing them with tacs with combat blades in the flying DT?

Iron Warriors plus Salamanders, would that be a fairly fluffy and decent to play, I'm fairly certain it would be foot sloging.