The most heroic weapon is the one-handed sword. (Statistically,

Punji sticks.

>>44244723

Poison. The woman's weapon.

>>44244723
The crossbow.

Or maybe throwing corpses into a besieged city with a catapult.

>>44244723
Nothing says "I'm the sidekick" like a mace.

Scythe. It either means you're a farmer or a edgelord.

The halberd. It practically screams "i'm a useless townguard NPC".

>>44244723
some kind of polearm

Devil sticks

I'd say a
Dagger, especially those serpentine ones. Those scream "I'm a gigantic pussy faggot that only kill people in their sleep"

Flail? I don't think i've seen any hero or even sidekick or antihero use one, they seem to be way into bad guy territory.

Dagger.

A dagger is always the weapon of the bandit, rogue, or dick-assed thief. It's not a weapon of war, it's a weapon for backstabbing and poison. If a hero starts with a dagger, it's purely as a newbie weapon and discarded as soon as possible for something better.

>>44244795
Definitely polearms.
Town guards, village militia, goblins etc. etc.

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>>44244723
Suicide vests

>>44244875
Oddly enough, there's quite a few instances of heroic suicide bombing in fiction.

>>44244785
Not in Dark Souls, best damn weapon in the game.

>>44244799
>getting close and personal is cowardice

ok.

>>44244723

Any sort of fire used as a weapon, specifically non magical.

You never see a hero burning his enemies alive with an oil bomb or setting a building on fire with a torch.

Two-handed Flail.
You will most-likely be seen like a fanatic. Asian flails can be heroic while one handed-flail could be made heroic with a shield.
Daggers, while fine for the borderline criminal bit still funny sidekick it is not heroic but with Kris, the serpentine design makes this dagger exotic bur evil.
Polearm or crossbow are pretty normal even boring, only heroic if the story evolves a dutiful townguard or veteran mercenary.
Slings, while heroic in antik settings it often is delegated to kids or hobbits in more modern settings.
Maces or horseman hammer (with one-sided flat surfaces); while maces can be a clerical weapon this screams sidekick, but a doublesided hammer can once again be heroic.
AK47 and Desert Eaglesare both gangster, russian and terrorist weapon and only used by heroe's sidekick.
Suicide vest are no weapon
Also making a pike heroic might be eytermly hard.

>>44244723
Clubs and cudgels, venoms, the catoninetails, billiard ball in a sock, and the shillelagh

>>44244942
Aragorn on the weather top.
I always though sword and torch combos are cool, both Warhammer and Two Worlds let me do that.

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>>44244831
I disagree.

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>>44244831
>>44244795
>>44244785

Excuse all of you? This isn't even bringing up mythological heroes such as Achilles and Cuchulain.

Gotta be poisons, having trouble thinking of an example where poisons have been used heroically.

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>>44244776
I will not argue this.

>>44244723
I'd say swords for that as well.

It's a double-edged argument.

>>44244723
The pen. Whens the last campaign you had where a lawmaker/advisor/moneylender was an actual good guy?

>>44245034
Doesn't help he became the Angel of death.

>>44245034
Those are sickles

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>>44245087
Okay, how about this?

>>44245021
It's more that Heroism is all about the individual. Polearms work best in big blocks of trained soldiers.

Yeah, you can duel with a pike, yeah there are heroes who use spears, but the weapon itself encourages uniformity.

>>44244723
Spears are often called out as the peasants' weapon, though many heroes have used them.
Especially one handed spears.
Although Zeus is often depicted throwing his lightning like a javelin which is pretty becoming.

Flails are somewhat rare in heroic fiction, and often used by villains.

If you consider traps to be a weapon, then it can be viewed as unheroic since you no long need to be in direct conflict.
However Samurai Jack uses traps, and it was pretty badass.

The sling is rarely used by heroes, but it hard to place on this list as it was the iconic weapon of young king David.

As much as I love the madu, I've never actually seen a heroic character wielding one.
This can also be said about a number of other less than currently commonly known weapons.

>Main guess
I would have to go with the net.
It's typically used as an offhand option, and has a great many modes of attack.
While it can decide a fight by breaking the opponent's balance or forcing them into an attack, it's never really the finishing blow.
It also doesn't look that menacing on camera.

>>44245102
That looks evil.

>>44245072
>The pen. Whens the last campaign you had where a lawmaker/advisor/moneylender was an actual good guy?

Honestly the one I'm playing in now.

>>44245117

We need a tier list

>>44245072
The last campaign I played, the GM tried to make the Young King's advisor/court mage look like the "evil advisor" trope.

She ended up being the ONLY one in his court who actually cared about him and ended up dying buying time for the party to escape with him.

>>44244804
Paladins, crusaders, templar knights, etc.

>>44244776
This

>>44244745
or this.

>>44245171

"The sun shines out this hero's arse" tier:
>1h swords
>2h swords
>Lances
>Warhammers

>>44244723
Probably poisons or some sort of heavy siege weapon. It's not easy to make smashing villain's castle with a trebuchet seem heroic.

It's definitely not polearms. They may not be as common as swords, but various mythological heroes have used spears and halberds.

Most heroic weapon being Sword+shield, Least heroic being hmm probably daggers/traps. Rogues are rarely heroic baka.

>>44245072

In the last campaign I ran, there was an NPC magistrate whose full-time job was to keep the party out of jail. Granted she didn't want the job (associating with adventurers is a good way to wind up dead) but warmed to their goals over time.

>>44244723
>The most heroic weapon is the one-handed sword.
>not bare fists
Opinion discarded.

>>44244723
A dildo.

>>44245256
I agree, but what's the least heroic weapon?

>>44245246
>(Statistically, at least.)

>>44244723
Jawbone of an ass
Sligshot

>>44244723
The spear. Statistically speaking (especially in modern fantasy), if you're using a spear, you're a nameless mook in a sea of nameless mooks.

Some people have mentioned polearms in general, which is kind of similar, but spears specifically are by far the most common "I'm a random soldier/piece of fodder." weapon I've seen.

>>44245021
In older stories, you've got a point. But in today's perception, we've lost the spear as a heroic weapon in favor of the sword. The only people that think of spears as heroic these days are people who specifically look to those older stories, all the most well-known modern heroes are packing swords.

It's really sad, actually, I'm a huge fan of the spear myself.

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I think it's the flail, because as many have pointed out in this thread, it is almost exclusively used by the complete opposite of the hero, the villain.

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>>44245278
>FAMAS is service rifle of the French military.

I'd say a garrote. It's the textbook weapon of the sneaky type, and it either kills or fails - unlike the 1dX longsword. It doesn't even have D&D stats!

>>44245021
The Kingsmen movie. (I'd explain the circumstances, but spoilers!)

>>44244723
A pike.

>>44244723
Axes, they're more or less the weapon of the villain or barbarian but never the hero.

>>44245543
Except when dwarf. They are seldom protagonists, but usually on the good side.

>>44245550
Dwarfs fall under the barbarian category from a story teller perspective, the hero uses a sword (which is just boring) and his crew wield the actually interesting weapons, axes being either part of the hero's party or the villain's.

>>44244804
You'd need a degree of bravery to use one in combat.

Or insanity. Stupidity is also an option.

>>44244776
>Scythe.

>weapon
>death use it
>weapon with least amount of killings

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>>44244723
>What's the least heroic weapon?

>least heroic in an evil sense
Maces, cudgels, morningstars, flails, and other "heavy thing on a stick" weapons.
>least heroic in an antihero or neutral sense
Daggers.
>least heroic in an NPC sense
Polearms and spears.

>>44245636
I'm not seeing how polearms are not heroic, especially /tg/ of all places

Blowgun.
Ranged, cause you're a coward.
Needle won't penetrate armour, because you only attack when others are unprepared.
Needle doesn't do any damage itself, because it's just a poison deliver system. Because of course you always use Poison.

>>44245452
>Kingsmen movie
>Implying heroism in grim derp Spy stories.

>>44244723
Maces or axes. Any sort of brutal, crushing weapon, really, especially if it's a two hander

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>>44245852
>tfw first time in Blighttown

>>44245702
mass-infantry formations are not heroic

>>44245617
Because Death is a harvester, not a warrior.

>>44245902
>What the fuck did I just block?
>Why did my toxin bar just go up?

Shotgun
You don't even have to aim that thing

Half a brick in a sock.

Gotta be daggers.

>>44246051
Maybe, but it's the undisputable king of zombie removal.

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>>44246070

>>44244723
a spinning backhand

>>44244898
Yes, but always as a "last resort" sort of thing. No sane person would go into that sort of situation if a better option where everyone lived was available.

The WWII heavy bomber.

Pick

>people saying daggers and poison, which require stealth and careful planing as "a coward's weapon"

Why do brute force weapons such as axes and maces pass?

>>44246211
which one?

>>44244723
Probably some kind of land mine

>>44246437
>No babies on his face
He's just asking for a 360noscope headshot.

>>44246461
>falls over
>his 230 pound body crushes 4 babies

>>44244941
>Getting close and personal without the other party knowing or even having means to defend themselves if they became aware

Do you into proper context, son?

>>44245617
Then its not a weapon. It is a tool. And the Grim Reaper does not kill, people get killed but that is their business. He merely comes along afterwards and cuts the soul from its mortal anchor.

>>44244723
Halberd.

>>44245926
According to /tg/ the Romans didn't use polearms relying entirely on their shortswords, and the Romans were masters of massed formations. So were the Romans not heroic? In the LotR movies the elves show up in a massed sword formation.

>>44246535
>ever getting in a situation where you are exposed

>>44246589
No one here understands the strongest weapon for defending is a polearm/pike/spear/lance. I bet you think cavalry is the strongest thing on a field.

>>44246817
The spartans were spear and shield masters though, what could they ever do?

>>44246589
>So were the Romans not heroic?
No, the common soldier isn't very heroic.

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here ya go charlie.
hows that for heroic?

>>44246589
> A republic/empire spanning a millennia only used one type of weapon across all centuries and in all theaters of combat.

(also: >>44246933)

>>44246933
>the common soldier isn't very heroic.
Anyone risking his life for the well-being of his friends, family, and nation is a hero in my book, you piece of shit.

>>44247669
They certainly aren't heroic enough for you to post that without your tripcode.

And modern military is built around the surprise attack. That's not heroic at all. That's extreme cowardice.

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>>44246817
We aren't talking about armies though, we're talking about heroes.

>>44247669
>nurr you just hate the army
My respect for fellow servicemen is separate from my understanding of the English language.

Most military action is quite un-heroic, and individual action is discouraged because breaking formation to be a big damn hero will often get you and a whole bunch of others fucking killed.

>>44246645
That's not the fault of the dagger, son. Only the fault of the shanked.

>>44247669
>Anyone risking his life for the well-being of his friends, family, and nation is a hero in my book
Heroics is separate from stupidity.

>you piece of shit.
Right back atcha'

>>44246366
Does it matter?
The thing's main use was to indiscriminately kill civilians and wreck industry.
The closest thing to a hero that the bomber has is John Yossarian.

>>44245021
hahaha
>cuckhulain
>mythological cuck

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Speaking of bombers:

>>44246437
how did this end?

>>44245884
>Kingsmen
>Grimderp
It was made by the creator of Kickass as a parody of spy movies. Even though you clearly haven't seen it, how does that strike you as grimderp? Sure, there's black comedy and dark moments, but still.

>>44245884
Kingsmen was not grim at all, it was making fun of all that grim shit right to it's face.

>>44245356
slingshot?
based cuthbert disagrees

>>44247214
I'm aware the Romans actually used a multitude of weapons, but its a /tg/ meme that they only used shortswords. There's always that screencap of a Roman deriding the usage of spears, as if the Romans themselves didn't use them.

>>44245543
Pretty sure in the epic of Gilgamesh, he wields an axe in one hand and a sword in the other at least once.

>>44244942
You have really never seen a film/read a book where good guys used fire?

>>44248690
Albus Dumbledor uses a lot of fire magic

>>44248702
Exactly.

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>>44244723
Magic.

>>44248725
>pedophile who doesn't care if kids die
>good guy

A Branch from a tree or a rock from the ground

> all these people saying a spear or a polearm are only used by town guards and massed infantry

Zhao Zhilong, Quan Yu, Cuchulainn, Ajax and more or less half of the other heroes may want to have a word with you. A straight sword is the only true weapon of the hero almost only in fantasy based on medieval Europe.

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>>44245146

>>44248473
The Babies all shat themselves, and the villain was so grossed out he took them all off, promptly getting arrested.

No joke.

>>44246437
>Shoot left hand to disarm
>Police force immediately rushes him while a sniper takes him down
>Catch him before he hits the ground

I remember reading some book about some rabbit people or something. The climax was a fight where the hero fought a duel with the antagonist. They both used pikes, but the hero was an everyman type of character who wasn't violent and thus couldn't get gud enough in time to match the antagonist. So he used snowballs instead and won the fight that way, IIRC. Sorry for spoilers, but I can't even remember what the book was called, it was so long ago.

>>44246437
His hands, forearms, neck, and head are all unprotected. Have a sniper to aim for his gun-hand, then his other hand, then send the SWAT team in to grab him, remove the babies, then laugh in his face and arrest him.

>>44248988

...Is this Axe Cop? Did he eat the babies afterwards?

>>44248988
well, what was I expecting I guess

>>44249033
>>44249061
Still requires a lot of preparation and teamwork to counter, not to mention a master sharpshooter. Far more effective than any other type of armour, that's for damn sure.

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>>44244898
As a heroic last resort, sure.

As a young, dumbfuck expendable fodder like 99.99% of jihadists or someone who pissed off the wrong higher up (like the last alleged female suicide bomber, who was caught sleeping around), or someone who didn't drink the fanatical Kool-Aid and is locked into a bomb vest or wielded into a vehicle bomb? Nope.

>>44249082
Sure, but it'll get you a hell of a lot more jail time too.
Also there's always the chance that you run into the anti-hero who doesn't care about your baby armor and kills you anyways, making it useless.

>>44246350
Because you can't slip an axe or mace in someone's drink and then bug the fuck out while they're dying. You use daggers, poison, and stealth because you want someone dead, but don't actually want to fight with them. Sure, it's effective, but it's hardly heroic and courageous.

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>>44246437
>tfw babies are the least heroic weapon
>tfw anon posts pic of babies as the least heroic armor

>>44244723
OP is wrong here. The spear or other polearm is the most heroic weapon. The sword is a civilian weapon (because you can't very well carry a halberd around town), or it is a battlefield sidearm. The polearm was generally the primary weapon for all sorts of battlefield warriors, not just the peasant-filled light infantry. Yes, people had swords on the battlefield, but they were used after their polearms got dropped, thrown, or stuck in the enemy.

A lot of you are saying the spear is the most effective en-mass weapon, and you're correct, but it's also the most effective one-v-one or one-v-many weapon. Here's an example of golden cinema portraying how a good warrior could make a great last stand with a spear. A sword just doesn't have the reach to keep so many enemies at bay for so long.

https://youtu.be/3C_v2AnKLI0?t=92

Following my flawless logic, if the longer weapon is the most heroic, the shorter weapon must be the least, so the dagger is the least heroic weapon, which makes sense as it's typically used by sneaky neerdowells.

>>44245112
Polearms are superior weapons to swords, they also happen to be superior in formation.

>>44249368
>the longer the weapon the more heroic.

ICBM's confirmed for most heroic weapon?

Is anything longer than an ICBM?

>>44244831
A lance is also a polearm.

>>44249452
>Is anything longer than an ICBM?
Yes. Ask your mom, she knows.

>>44249368
So your penis is the least heroic weapon possible.

>>44249452
Aircraft carriers.

>>44249497
Combat aircraft generally don't have all that long range, it's why aircraft carriers are necessary in the first place.

>>44249452
I should have said the longer the 'melee' weapon, but I think you knew what I meant.
>>44249497
Well, it's shorter than most daggers, so I guess so.

>>44249368
Why do you equate "most heroic" with "most commonly used on a battlefield"?

>>44248908
>people talking about the culture they come from and primarily have consumed

how dare these fucking assholes not include every single legend from every single culture!?

Bin Laden in a blender

>>44244785
This. I've never seen a non-npc use one. They're not bad, they just feel like a guardsman's weapon.
That, or a club. Only savages use clubs.

>>44249536
The Voyager 1 space probe, then.

>>44249603
I don't. I equate "most heroic" with "most effective". Polearms were "most commonly used on the battlefield", because they were "most effective".

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>>44244776
Or, you know...

a hedgelord

>>44246817
>formation weapon
>heroic
Yeah, nah.

>>44249697
So by that logic, the most heroic of weapons would be the ones that you couldn't use in a formation? Warhammers/axes and shit that needs a WHOLE lot of space around you?

I don't know how swords became the heroic weapon when in most mythologies and legends heroes often had a complete arsenal, like King Arthur who along with Excalibur had a named spear/lance, and dagger.

>>44249697
Now you're just being a hipster. Just because polearms are too "mainstream", doesn't mean they aren't the most heroic.

It's a pointy on a longy. It's simple, elegant, versatile, and above all, effective.

>>44248961
That looks fabulous

>tfw Italian youtubers made an abridged version of KH villains sucking at their job
>Marluxia is the most offensively flamboyant gay guy you could ever see
>After seeing that stuff I can't look at him without sniggering internally

>>44249679
Well, ignoring that according to you pole arms were the most effective only some of the time (on battlefields), why do you equate "most effective" with "most heroic"? Do you know what heroic means?

To save you the time I can tell you. It's either about bravery in a cause seen as good, or it's about being a good protagonist in a story. Where does "most effective" come into this?

>sword
hero

>pole weapon
hero's buddy/sidekick

>axes and hammers
tanks
dwarf

>mace
clerics and paladins

>staff
wizards and healers

>bows and crossbows
ranger

>greatswords, scepters, scythes, chain weapons, rapier, firearms
villain

>>44249776
Dude with more effective weapon kills more badguys. Killing more badguys is more heroic. Keep up buttercup.

>>44249728
>putting words into my mouth
wew, lad. All I said is formation weapons aren't heroic. Swords are probably the most heroic, due to how often they're seen as the weapon of choice for a hero.
>>44249749
>not liking polearms makes you a hipster
Formation weapons are rarely seen outside of a formation. Heroes are supposed to stand out. They don't mesh.
Spears I can see, from ancient legends/mythology and such, but that's pretty much the only polearm that could be considered heroic

>>44244723
babies. Name one hero that as ever wielded babies as a weapon.

>>44249840
Not if he loses his weapon because it was too clunky or conspicious to use in his current surroundings.

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The pitch fork has only ever been commonly wielded by two people.

Angry mobs and commoners, who while sometimes good, tend to be far too destructive in purpse.

And Satan. The Satan of Christianity is the opposite of any hero and seeks to tempt, ruin, and destroy them at every turn.

Combined, I can safely say that the humble pitchfork is the opposite of a heroic weapon in every respect.

>>44249832
I think firearms fall for the engineer/mechanic or blacksmith

>>44249893
This is wrong.

The most heroic weapon and the least heroic weapon is the star trek phaser.

>>44249832
I feel that Rapier can fit multiple roles. It can be the villain's weapon, but it's also reallt easy to see it in a hero's hand

>>44244776
How exactly do scythes even work as weapons? As a farming tool, you just move it low and kinda sweep the crops, cutting them down. Doing that to a person will cut their leg, sure, but the blade won't get past bone the way you swing it and it leaves you wide open. Using it like a polearm is retarded because the sharp bit is pointed away from you, and the pointed tip could cause some lacerations, but only if you get lucky, otherwise you just hit them with the blunt side. Even if both sides are sharpened, it would still be impractical because there's no way in hell you could make a deep wound. This doesn't even cover how goddamn top heavy that thing would be, as well as very slow and noticeable. Plus, the curved part could get stuck behind a shield, and all it would take is a fucking tug to disarm you. If you try to stab with it, sure you could probably gut someone, but stabbing someone with a sword is much faster, easier, and more maneuverable. Blocking would be hard, once again due to the huge ass curved blade, and a sort of chopping down attack is just impractical and an axe, halberd, or other polearm could do it easier.
At least it's more practical than a keyblade

>>44249859
>Formation weapons are rarely seen outside of a formation. Heroes are supposed to stand out. They don't mesh.
But swords were frequently carried as a sidearm by soldiers, so a sword wouldn't be any more unique

>>44249686
for fuck shakes carlos

>>44249893
Anyone know the origins of Satan using a pitchfork/trident in media? Is it that he shovels piles of souls which are represented as straws of hay?

>>44249874
Jackie Chan.

>>44249883
Situational circumstance can be a boon or drawback for any sort of weapon. A spear can't be swung around in a tight corridor, but it can still be used to stab and lunge. A sword has the same drawback, but lunging with a spear is more effective than lunging with a sword due to reach.

>>44249859
>Heroes are supposed to stand out.
Why? I think the best heroes are the ones that do the most work, not the ones that get the most credit. I guess it's just a matter of opinion at that point though.

>>44249996
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe

>>44249996
The weapon is much different than the tool, and I'd reckon it's used more like an two handed battleaxe than anything else.

>>44250049
It is a matter of opinion at this point. I personally prefer spears as a heroic weapon Mostly because of that Arkantos guy from AoM and from Greek mythology in general., but swords still seem to be the most heroic by a longshot, if only due to exposure.

>>44249832
Rapier could be used by the heroes love interest.

Because, you know, women get smaller swords.

>>44250061
>>44250073
Not war scythes, farming tool scythes used as weapons.

>Least heroic:Poison
>Most heroic:One handed sword,spear and fists

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>>44250485
>One handed sword,spear and fists
You forgot about legs.

>>44244723
Garotte

I'd also second flails; it seems like only evil henchmen use flails in media. I'd also say massively long spears, as those never get one close enough for "heroic" close combat and are usualy used in formation.

>>44245617
No one said anything about least number of killings. Just least heroic.

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I can think of exactly one heroic use of poison.

>>44251147
I think Hercules also used poison.

Also I can't belief this many posts have been made without one mention of the spiked chain, or its many variants.

>>44245361
>what are ancient heroes
>what is moribito

>>44251217
or brass knuckles

Only notable good guy I know that uses a whip is Indiana Jones. Otherwise, whip is pretty low on the heroic totem pole.

Least heroic:
>Poison
>Whip
>Blowgun
>explosives
>Net

>>44244723

Why did noone mention Claws yet?

>>44244723
Throwing anus

>>44251305
there's also
SIMON BELMONT!

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>>44249832
>Rapiers
>not being heroic as fuck

>>44251217
Spiked chain is an imaginary weapon.

>>44244723
Pillow.

>>44252389
>three muskateers
>four people in the picture
Anon in charge of counting.

>>44248988
That's exactly what I thought would happen. You gotta wear a wetsuit if you're gonna wear babies.

>>44252495
I take it you haven't actually read the books. Or watched any of the numerous adaptions. Or read anything about the story at all.

>>44252567
It's an obvious
>homage to Kirk
>who
meme.

>>44252567
At least I can count past two.

>>44244723
A gun.

>>44245001
diablo 3 got 99% of its shit utterly wrong but at least imperius has a kick ass angel spear

spears honestly seem like the most fitting weapon for angels. kind of a symbol for the angels': humble and ancient, but also long reaching and powerful

>>44248988
i thought it ended by batman or the punisher or whatever strangling him from above

was that just a beautiful dream

cunning

>>44253081
I haven't actually read the comic book, I just guessed the ending and everyone believed me.

>>44244723
People.

>>44245452
Kingsman was crap though

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>>44244723
You'll find plenty in the shit fanfiction over the internet.

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>>44249686
Seriously fuck you, Carlos.

>>44245211
"The trusty sidekick/mentor" tier:
>Mace
>Quarterstaff
>Longbow

>>44244723
Least heroic as in mundane and generic? Probably the spear, axe, or hammer.

Least heroic as in evil?
Magic, Poison, or scythe

>>44254056
"The could swing either way" tier:
>Twin Daggers
>Pole-arm
>Axes

"Don't let him outta your sight" tier
>Cestus
>Scythes/sickles
>Early firearms

>>44244976
You haven't read Discworld.

>>44250049
>Anyone know the origins of Satan using a pitchfork/trident in media?
Poseiden.

>>44244723
>What's the least heroic weapon?

Throwing Anus.

>>44247710
You say that like surprise hasn't always been one of the most decisive factors in warfare since beginning of organized conflict.

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>>44244723
Least heroic weapon is artillery.
No skill, no risk, no heroism. Just men receiving orders, adjusting angles, loading components. They never even see the enemy, they just operate the machine, yet it has killed millions. Its the final component of an assembly line that turns natural resources into death.

More so even than gunpowder itself, artillery killed chivalry. It changed warfare from a contest of strength to a timed, streamlined factory process.

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>>44256327
>tfw you will never be the guy on enola gay who dropped the bomb
>you will never look back at the 150,000 deaths you caused and think "hm that's really something"

why even live

>>44248858
>A peasant desperate defends his family/whatever.
>Not heroic.

>>44256639
>>44248858
Yeah, improvised weapons can be anywhere on the heroism scale.

>>44244723
a cudgel. no one heroic uses a cudgel. If they have a blunt weapon, it will be a mace, or if barbaric, a club. only bartenders, thieves, or mafia carry a "cudgel"

>>44246437
>>44248473
>>44248988

Yeah.. Yeah that all sounds pretty unheroic.

>>44244723

Drone strike on a civilian population centre.

>tfw no one says the screen/stage play is the least heroic weapon

Come on, /tg/

>>44248858
Thüringen Oakenshield disagrees.

>>44256955
*Thorin. Fucking tablet

>>44249832
>firearms
>villain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999RqGZatPs

There's plenty o' lawmen and' vigilantes alike what can feed the bad guys some hot lead reeeal smooth-like.

>>44249996
the whole thing about farming scythes being used as actual weapons came from a renaissance era pamphlet. Here's what happened:
>guy makes a battle-guide advertising techniques with swords
>another guy makes a battle-guide advertising techniques with swords and axes, claims his superior
>not wanting to be outdone, the first releases one with swords, axes, and spears
and so on and so forth with increasingly wonky weaponry until one guy made one that included scythes and then it became standard to have a section about scythes for a short while, even though there were only like, 2 techniques listed and neither of them actually worked.

>>44249236
>He's not using babies as weapons
>He's fighting off a horde of bloodthirsty babies.

The three-handed reverse knife

>>44254894
I really wish fist weapons were used more
I doubt they'd have any place on the battlefield but man do I like them

>>44257368
This is heroism we're talking about, what has its place on the battlefield is irrelevant. Minmaxing is for soldiers.

>>44257399
Oh, I know that. I was just mentioning that for some of the 'usage=heroism' people earlier in the thread.
I'm so glad powerstancing made Cestus good in DaS2. Punching everything feels satisfying

>>44252942
oh anon, plenty of heroic characters used guns, ya silly.

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>>44248473

Least heroic? Drones. Looking at you, Obama.

>>44244723
You're a faggot OP, the most heroic weapon is clearly friendship.

Take your one-handed sword and leave.

>>44256763
[after being presented with the official truncheon of the Watch Commandr., Citie of Ankh-Morporke] '...And I thought . . . I thought, good grief, this is what what I'm supposed to carry? And I thought about it, and then I thought, no, that's right, just once someone got it right. It's not even a weapon, it's just a thing. It ain't for using, it's just for having. That's what it's all about...

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>>44244723
A sniper rifle. It may be used by heroic characters on occasion but it's primarily associated with assassins and death, plus killing your opponents when they don't suspect it is dishonorable.

>>44258849
Most weapons are associated with death.

Flail. It's the most miniboss weapon of them all

>>44244751
Crossbows are an anti-hero weapon. In terms of semantics it at least seems like a good choice

>>44253807
Hey fuck you man.
That shit's great to read out loud with friends when you're all slightly inebriated.

>>44247669
And here I thought most of them were just paid to do it

>>44259008
what does this have to do with OPs post dude?

>>44259098
It's a spammer who keeps posting random paragraphs of /tg/ bait along with that same image. Report it when you see it.

>>44245636
> and other "heavy thing on a stick"
I'd argue that hammers are a hero's (or sidekick's) weapon.

>>44244723 Fuchen (Horsetail Whisk)
It's basically an overglorified fly swatter.

>>44249996
Seriously?

It's a war-pick with an edge: use your imagination!


Also, war-pick is probably the least heroic weapon.

>>44244723
A pick?

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>>44249996

Daggers, especially poison daggers.

I can imagine Greek heroes using a Spear as a weapon so I wouldnt say polearms.

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Truly a cowards weapon.

>>44259530
In a Rogue Trader game we decreed that all duels should take place in the airlocks. I feel like this is a similar principle

>>44245021
Heracles used poison pretty much all the time. His arrows were dipped in the blood of the Hydra, which could slay a dragon that even Atlas feared in a single shot.

>>44244723
Probably the Pike. Specifically the really long sort that's only usable in formation. A weapon like that by its very nature is anti-heroic because its wielder cannot stand out.

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>>44259008

>>44244751
Crossbows aren't a heroic weapon because their advantages in an action scene are null and their weaknesses are very obvious. The strengths of a crossbow are that it's easy to use, has good range, and shoots hard due to being mechanically driven. But it doesn't reflect well on a hero for him to be using an "easy" weapon like a crossbow, or for him to be sniping his enemies before they can fight back, or for him to rely on a machine to do his pulling. Plus, the crossbow's weakness is that medieval crossbows take forever to properly load and crank, which means they can't exactly do firey badass action scenes. Not to mention that a lot of historical crossbow-users were mercenaries who hid behind big shields in between shots, which isn't what you'd call a heroic activity.

>>44258655
still, a truncheon or baton is carried by an officer. not a cudgel.

>>44252397
Kusarigama are perfectly real anon.

The only correct answer is poison. Maybe hexes or curses.

>>44248858
>That one movie where Dwayne "The Rock: Johnson has to defend his town from the wily clutches of the evil drug peddlers with just his audacity and an oversized tree branch.

>That one RedWall badger that runs around killing bad guys with a refined log

>That one time David slew a giant with 5 river stones

What the ucking-fuck do you mean "not heroic"?

>>44244723
>What's the least heroic weapon?
in terms of making you look more stupid than heroic, I'd have to side with the people saying the Scythe is the least heroic.

No one but try-hard edgelords would seriously consider bringing an unmodified scythe to a fight, no even farmers would use scythes as weapons, they's sooner pull out pitchforks, knives, clubs, or, I don't know, BOWS or CROSSBOWS to a fight.

The only example of a scythe being used in combat is from the Monmouth Rebellion, and it was heavily reworked (the blade was bent 90 degrees so it ran parallel with the shaft rather than perpendicular to it, and the normally curvy shaft itself was swapped with a straight pole, effectively turning the thing into a glaive).

as much as /tg/ hates Lindybeige, I think his commentary on the scythe as a weapon is still fairly spot-on.

The only people who would brandish a scythe in battle is the kind of person who tries way too hard to be 'cool' and thinks carrying a scythe as a weapon will make him look cool and edgy, because it's the Grim Reaper's weapon of choice.

>>44249368
The fact is, the one-handed sword is so classically considered a hero's weapon because it hits all the right markers. It's somewhat tricky to make (metal is expensive) which sets it out as "special" compared to axes and spears, but it isn't in any sense mechanical or based in technology like a gun or a crossbow. It takes some skill to use properly, which marks the hero as skilled, and there's a wealth of martial arts techniques and imagery to draw on.

Spears are more effective, but a spear's also not much fun to watch because most spearfighting techniques come down to "jab him before he can reach you" - if you see a spearfighter in an anime or something, you'll notice he tends to do a lot of twirly quarterstaff moves instead of anything resembling a historical spearfighting style.

>>44249893
Yeah, but didn't Poseiden wield one too?

Gladiators can also be seen as, like...SOMEWHAT heroic. Right?

>>44259829
Gladiators are literally paid performers of violence, and sometimes even straight-up murder; no bueno.

>>44250049
A lot of Satanic imagery was borrowed from Pagan cults and gods. For instance, Satan is usually drawn as having goat legs, a goatee, and horns because those were the traits of the nature god Pan. The trident comes from Poseidon, because they couldn't bloody well give him Zeus's lightning bolts.

>>44259829
>Yeah, but didn't Poseiden wield one too?
no, Poseidon had a trident, not a pitchfork, there's a difference.

>>44252397
Meteor hammers, kusari-gama, or just bikers wielding chains, are pretty common. It's just that they tend to be too esoteric to be "the hero's weapon." More "the guy with the cool weapon that the hero fights in Room #3."

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>>44259823
>cool and edgy, because it's the Grim Reaper's weapon of choice
It upsets me to no end that the Grim Reaper is seen as edgy these days. Death is supposed to be solemn and neutral, not some chaotic evil fuckwit.

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>>44256763
St. Cuthbert kindly begs that you check yourself before you rek yourself.

>>44244762
>Nothing says "I've devoted my life to god, and have forsaken edged weapons" like a mace
Fixed

>>44259877
>It upsets me to no end that the Grim Reaper is seen as edgy these days. Death is supposed to be solemn and neutral, not some chaotic evil fuckwit.
I don't disagree with you but that is still how a lot of try-hards see death for whatever reason.

Oh well, 'que sera sera' as they say.

>>44259735
That sounds like semantics. Whatever you want to call it, it's a short length of solid wood with which you hit people over the head.

>>44259955
A cudgel can also show that the character is very rustic and down-to-Earth, as it does with Cuthbert, since his whole deal is being the god of Common Sense and Wisdom.

>>44260017
And truncheon is just a fancier version for cityfolk who think themselves better than those dirty rustics. I agree that names matter, but ultimately, semantics.

>>44244723
Slingshot has got to be the most virtuous weapon. No villain would wield a slingshot, only a young buck trouble maker soon-to-be-hero-boy. The amount of innocence that is bound to this weapon wipes out any possibility of a villain using it.

>>44259344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4aZdnxg9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZqxI28Ijnw

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>>44260151
>slingshot
You mean sling, right? Elastic is a pretty modern discovery.

The least heroic weapon, anons, is the one that has never been used.
my reasoning? Think about it, swords have been around a fucking long time. Guns not nearly as much, but can be considered heroic.
Nukes? Not even close, and its only been used twice against a foe.

>>44260387
Is that even a weapon? It seems like ribbon dancing with a somehow less impressive prop

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>>44259906
>>44256763
After checking my own nomenclature, I think what I actually meant was a blackjack, which apparently is sometimes called a cosh. Really a lump of metal inside of a leather pouch with a strap on the end. I thought cudgel was the more primitive form of the modern blackjack.
The cudgel, or if you're from Ireland a shillelagh, was much longer, sometimes used as a walking stick, and was seen as a peasant weapon throughout Europe.

>>44259955
they are actually different weapons that are shaped different. Just like a cutlass or a scimitar are different things, even though they are both sort of curved metal things with which you try to cut people.

>it also occurred to me, that with the exception of Mr. T, brass knuckles might seem unheroic, as they are often thought of as a cowards weapon to get an edge in a fist fight.

>>44260641
It's a stick that comes with a built-in distraction device. Granted, once you get good, you can do some neat tricks with temporarily binding your opponent's weapon/limbs.

>>44249497
>>44249478
epic posts, my /tg/ /b/rothers. upvoted so hard

Weaponized viruses.
Poison you at least have to give directly to your enemy.

>>44244723
I dunno I feel like the most heroic weapon is the sling because it's such an underdog weapon it can basically ONLY be used by heroes.

>>44260390
The sling was an important and widespread military weapon in the classical era and later.

>>44244723
Orbital cannon fire.

Literally nothing says "we fucked up so bad that we should just burn the place down" quite like nuking the place from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

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>>44246437
Just shoot the guy and consider those babys a collateral damage.

>>44244776
It's the other way around. Scythe is the ultimate hero's weapon, because it's wielded by people fighting for their homes, their close ones and their freedom, not by some pampered noble bastard or some honorless mercenary.
Scythe is the most heroic weapon of them all.

>>44244723
my dick

>>44262439
I can't, Obama hasn't used an executive order to retroactively declare them combatants yet!

Wait, he did that when? Sweet!

BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM

>>44244751
B-but Wilhelm Tell was a hero

>>44244723
Rat flail

>>44245212
>siege weapon
Detritus the troll carries a ballista in Discworld.
But that's Discworld, not your 'typical' fantasy series, perhaps.

>>44244723
Of the weapons you commonly see in the hands of somebody in heroic fantasy (so no artillery, guns or some very rarely used weapon), I would say the dagger. While used by rogue-like characters (who are usually at best a morally ambiguous sidekick or an antihero), the only time you see one in the hands of a hero is as a shitty "can't get a proper sword yet" starting weapon, or possibly in a situation where the hero needs to conceal a weapon. While there are other weapons rarely used by the hero, the dagger gets a special distinction of being primarily associated with backstabbing, assassination and other sneaky ways of killing someone, which is very un-heroic (a proper hero defeats the villain in a climatic duel, not by sneaking up to him and stabbing him in the back). In particular, wielding a kris (one of those daggers with a wavy, serpentine-looking blade) practically guarantees that you're some cultist or priest of an evil god.

Honorable mention goes to flails, particularly the "big spiky ball on a chain" kind. Almost universally seen in hands of brutish minions, or at best an evil "black knight" type of guy.

>>44263175
Nah, it's just crossbow, up-scaled for his stature, but still a crossbow. Important difference because siege weapons are forbidden within walls of Ankh-Morpork.

>>44244751
>not being Jaime Lannister.

>>44245021
It took out Socrates. That's one bonus?

>>44261534
Salty ass bitch lmao

relativistic kinetic kill vehicle

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>>44249632
u wot m8?

>>44244723
The most heroic weapon is the bare hands.

The least heroic weapon is a woman.

>>44264683
/thread

>>44245117
Flail (or "hammers") as heroic is something that's somewhat iconic to Gundam

Barbed whip
screams sadist not a heroic trait if you were to ask me

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>>44244804
Examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZNZOqqg94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w89V1_C4uQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyI31uqSGA

>>44250917
>ALL DEM FANSERVICESSSSSSS

>>44259877
Feels like it swung back to the other end at this point, now I want good old Myrkul back not secret good guys like Pharasma.

>>44249452
Rods of God could in theory be.

>>44264971
>be a giant mech in spehss
>have energy weapons, like lasers, plasma weaponry, stuff like that
>better use my trusty flail!

>>44249840
Lol you are literally retarded.

>>44263294
>kris knifes are only for villains
Muad'dib would like a word with you.

>>44244723
A sheath

>>44245617
Death also carries a sword when collecting the souls of nobles, kings, and heros. The scythe is for peasant trash unworthy of individual attention.

Maces aren't presented as very heroic in media.

Likewise clubs with nails in, and holes with spikes at the bottom.

Also poison

>>44259530
Is that a goddamn two handed shield

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>>44268514
Judicial duelling shield used for trial by combat and other such things.

Its got hooks for tripping and spikes for stabbing.

>>44268759
Are there any practical versions of that used in a military?

>>44267647

Death's Toolbox: the right tool for the right soul.

>>44269119
No because its not meant to be a practical military weapon.

If anything its designed to be weird to try and level the playing field when people have to use it.

>>44246933
sure, I guess the only ones out there to be considered heroes are the dazzling pretty boys who do very little and take all the credit.

This seems like the right thread to ask:

What is the name of that finnish fencing expert on youtube? My attempts at searching with the information I have just get me olympic fencing competitions.

>>44266322
Do you even Greeks?

>>44264719
How'd I forget about him, christ

>>44251217
So are we pretending castlevania does not exist?

>>44251425
wolverine?

>>44245624
THE GUN WAS IN MY THROAT

Where does the pile bunker fit into all this?

>>44272208
pile bunker is neither heroic nor villainous.

It is instead, "HELL YEAH MECHS".

>>44250917
Source? Google comes up empty.