Dinosaurs in a fantasy setting

>>44130273
everywhere
as much as possible

>>44130273
Denizens of deep jungles, primeval lands and far forests.

Yes, because dinosaurs are fucking awesome as well as an excuse to have a high CR mundane creature.

>>44130273
I don't see why dinosaurs would be less believable than creatures that never existed and can't exist.
Kobolds are genetically related to dinosaurs and have feathers on their heads. Y/N?

>"You see a monsterous creature from a time before man, it's razor sharp teeth designed solely for killing and butchering all in one bite, it towers above you and all others of its kind, truly it is the apex predator"
>"Alright can I tame it?"
>"Sure, roll animal handling"

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>>44130273
Transformation Powers

>>44130273
Just call them land drakes or the like in the game if you want, seeing as they likely overlap with wyverns a bit.

>>44130273
well yeah, its hard to make a setting without birds.

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>>44130366
N. Because kobolds are related to dragons. Who have feathers so kobolds do anyway.

>>44130273
It would be like a dragon but focused on physical strength and toughness and less intelligent.

how would being able to ride them effect most campaigns over riding a horse.

>>44133118
honestly I can't see it being to widespread
horses are relatively easily domesticated and have amazing endurance as well as good speed making them highly suited for travel
dinosaurs may be large but I could see them being difficult to domesticate due to either higher aggressiveness or lower intelligence not to mention that its not likely, especially not given dinosaurs are build for higher oxygen levels, they have the same endurance

>>44133230
they could be used by adventures for there use in combat.

>>44133259
use in combat, if they could be properly trained might be possible but even then I doubt dinosaurs would be fully domesticated and I could see war dinosaurs being more the equivalent of a land based flagship rather than general mounts

>>44130895
But what if Dragons are dinosaurs?

>>44133313
could they be better as attack dogs then because they seem badass to use in battle with a ranger.
>>44133384
already possible that there was something like them that created the idea in human psyche

>>44133384
>powerful wizard gathers all the bones of one of the great dragons of old
>performs a ritual to bring back this most powerful creature
>ends up with an assorted amount of dinosaurs and pterosaurs instead

>>44133313
Stop trying to squish my dreams if triceratops knights, damnit.

>>44133408
if a PC is going to use them, yeh no problem what so ever, they're supposed to be extraordinary
just saying, chances are even if there were some dinosaurs around the local mongol equivalent would still be using horses

>>44133451
are their any campaigns or games that use them to great effect.

>>44133422
Jurassic park called. They want their plot back,

But really Magic Jurassic Park sounds interesting as a setting.

>>44133637
not really jurassic park's plot, they knew exactly what they were getting
this case more of a combination of magic and shitty paleontology resulting in a very confused wizard having to tell his colleagues that maybe dragons were slightly different than expected

>>44133428
Have them as the elite guard of the king who is going around taming dinosaurs then, anon.

>>44130273
I used them on a few, isolated islands. The only one that the party visited, because the game died due to scheduling concerns on my end, was also inhabited by tribal gnolls that hunted and ate the things.

I had a second trip planned out that involved them going after a party of explorers that had gone missing. That island was more a hotbed of testing than the initial one was, and the worst part was going to be a massive, heavily altered T. Rex that basically breathed short-range explosions, like a pistol shrimp on steroids.

>>44130273
Welcome to the world of Ord, a fantastical tribal land of massive creatures and magic. You're a fucking dinosaur.

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>>44133428
>>44137082

I had a brief game where they were around, and called dragons.

Never really did anything because our game ended up being urban in nature and then scheduling conflicts happened.

Was gonna have the Orc War-chief ride on a T-rex and weild a shotgun Orcs had invented gun powder/gun smiting in this setting via quasi-magical means

How would tg make a paladin with a dinosaur as a mount?
What dinosaur would be the best mount?

One game had an intelligent T-rex spellcaster lich.

That was interesting.

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This is going to end in magical realm. It always does, when we're talking about something with scales.
Hell, it'll probably be vore, too, rather than just furfags.

I have no related image, so have a bubble dragon.

>>44144479
You're the first one to bring it up anon

>>44144547
Doesn't mean it won't happen. Degenerates flock to anything with scales like seagulls to a french-fry store.

What makes a good mount?
From the top of my head:

- Ease to domesticate
- Ease to train
- Level of intelligence
- Appropiate size
- Appropiate strength
- Appropiate endurance

I don't remember any dino that would fulfill those. Maybe as attack animals, but not as combat mounts.

>>44133728
>Necromancer scratching his head and reading through dozens of black grimoires
>"I don't understand, i followed the rites precisely and i used the right skulls. Why do all the cyclopians i try to revive keep coming back to life as elephants?"
>"Ah well, i guess i'll move on to these three horned rhinos."

>>44144696
You have to remember that animals don't start out perfect. Humans have tailored horses to fit us, and we could do the same with dinosaurs.

>>44144547
He has a sad point, actually. Been a trend lately.

>>44144696
Maybe it should expand to normally extinct species? Mammoths would likely be easier to train if elephants can be trained. Although that said, I kind of wonder if you could teach raptors to be roughly as loyal as dogs given enough generations.

>>44130273
If you're going to use them, USE them. Include them in the ecology. Have them in various places. Figure out how your civilization interacts with giant animals like this, what does it use them for, etc.

If you confine them to one geographic area it becomes another themepark blot on your campaign map. (Even though a "lost world" island of dinosaurs is not an unrealistic idea, the trope is kind of done to death.)

>>44130273
I want to run a game where the PC's shipwreck on a dino island sometime

>>44144887
Horses don't try to eat us

>>44144887
>>44144995
I don't know why, but I have serious doubts about the possibility of training reptiles.

>training raptors to be as loyal as dogs
Maybe small raptors. Big raptors are far more likely to see you as food.

They exist in pockets in the east, but are widespread in the west. Co-habitation with them is what made the orcs da strongest and da bestest

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>>44146400

>>44146501

God I love Coelasquid's plump derpy pigeon raptors.

>>44144887

Yes, and we've failed with the vast, vast majority of animals. Rhinos would make awesome shock cavalry, except they can't be domesticated. Before we can tailor them, you need a good grounding first.

That being said, the chances are that there would be some dinosaurs capable of being domesticated. They'd just be the minority. Heck, the Americas and Australia might have held more candidates for domestication, if only humans had shown up there before we'd perfected our hunting skills.

>>44144696
the animal also needs to be a
social animal
have social heirachy

check out domestication on wikipedia, its interesting and explains why no one rides rhinos
also rhinos and triceratops appear to occupy the same niche

additionally herbivorous dinosaurs didn't eat grass because there was none
so house rule that however you please

>>44130273
In my current campaign the party rangers sister was carried off by a petranodon at a young age and he has been looking for her ever since. I used this to turn the sister into a dinosaur obsessed mad scientist wizard who is bent on creating the ultimate dinosaur. The Indominus Rex.

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>>44149064
Does she get eaten by her creation at the climax of the story?
Also, I need more pictures of dinosaurs. The best I have is an adorable pink-and-white dragon I found on /co/. I don't think it has a name.

>>44133118
Dinotopia.

>>44133118
For starters, your mount probably has better chances of surviving to the end. Fuck their shit if you have an ankylosaurus as your loyal steed.

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>>44150044
Getting eaten is not a bad idea actually. After the party is forced to fight her and the ranger fails to make her remember him, she unleashes the beast but loses control. Could be a cool ending to the characters questline.

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>>44150071
Lies.

>>44150044
Name of that dragon is Fizzle.

>>44150378
Thanks. He's cute; does anyone know what comic he's from (found in a thread about comics, but filename didn't give any hints)?

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>>44144880
Pic related.

>>44130273
Dinosaurs should be used at any time you have a even a very remotely close enough excuse to do so. Fantasy, sci fi worlds, if time travel is even mentioned or hinted at once your world should be teaming with dinosaurs. If you have genetic engineering, you'd better have dinosaurs. If a child imagines something, it should be dinosaurs.

There is no reason not to include them.

>>44150773
mlp

>>44152152
Fuck, I never see any good-looking pink dragons, and now that I find one, it's from there.

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>>44144479

Bubbles are more dangerous then you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2_iNJBfbI&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0XmYQeYlQiG92Xu5vew88Sz&index=19

>>44133230
Some dinosaurs were pretty smart. If you can teach birds to hunt you can probably teach possibly pack hunting highly sociable monster things to be mounts.

>>44144887
Horses started out rather small and would have made poor mounts so this dude has a point.

>>44144479
>bubble dragon
That kind of reminds me of that one thread a while back about a small dragon who got along in a city because his breath "weapon" pretty much just increased people's disposition towards trusting him. He'd usually disguise it through a fake cough or just as a bit of a spectacle, but it would dissipate through the room even after people think it had gone away.

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>>44152738
There's a lot of gay porn of him.

I felt you should know.

>>44152952
And early cows started out massive and got smaller over time.

>>44153008
I wouldn't expect anything different, considering the fandom. It's kinda too bad; I like seeing unnatural color schemes in otherwise traditional roles (e.g. a flagrantly yellow ninja who somehow is still stealthy, a cheery LG cleric who refuses to wear anything that isn't black and dark red).

>>44152914
I doubt most of the intelligent dinosaurs would actually make good mounts
more likely than not trying to ride one of the large raptors ends up with you shattering its spine

>>44153124
A T-Rex would probably work though. They hung out together all the time they were probably pretty smart. Save the raptors to use as big dogs.

>>44153149
you got several problems there, first of all that intelligent pack hunters are not necessarily easy to domesticate, humanity only really succeeded with dogs in that aspect
in fact the only truly domesticated predators are the dog, the ferret, the cat and the russian fox, the latter one being only domesticated since the 50's and the middle 2 we have absolutely no clue of how the domestication process even happened
secondly t-rexes would require vast amounts of food, prohibitively so for most pre-industrial societies for any sort of breeding program
and even then their use as mounts is questionable at best. Low turn speeds would make them unsuitable for complex maneuvers, their method of assault would likely be prohibitively violent to actually remain mounted and even if they are relatively intelligent compared to other dinosaurs, they're not even near large mammal levels

>>44153542
If you are in a setting with dinosaurs that means there are other dinosaurs for the dinosaurs to eat. Also you left out tons of animals like sheep, horses, cows, pigs all sorts of domesticated shit.
Plus low turn speeds? What? They are on two legs. If anything they would have faster turn speeds than a similarly sized four legged creature. And If people can fight on horses and elephants that rear up and trample shit they can fight on something that lowers its head slightly to attack. Also no one can really say how intelligent they were. You cant say large mammals are smarter than something that died before we even existed. Plenty of stupid large mammals too, no one ever talks about how smart hippos or cows are.

>>44153703
I only mentioned domesticated predators given we are talking about domesticating a large predator here
and while there is a possibility T-rexes were more intelligent however estimates of its cranial volume are comparative to large reptiles which are notably less intelligent than domesticated animals which are actively used for functions such as mounts, hunting or warfare.
And even if other dinosaurs exist, hunting a single one of them just for the purpose of feeding a population of t-rexes is an incredible waste of resources, a domesticated animal that competes for food sources with humans is near impossible

>>44153929
Have you seen the size of some of those long necked fuckers? You think people wont hunt them in order to ride around on a giant carnivorous monster? They would probably line up to do it. Not like you would have a fleet of T-Rex's anyway.
Also The T-Rex's brain was bigger than ours. Some people think they were well up there in intelligence compared to other dinosaurs.

>>44154102
however the T-rex's body is also significantly larger compared to brain, absolute size is NOT a good indicator of intelligence, and even if they were comparative in intelligence to large mammals this would not necessarily make them suitable for domestication, after all, every attempt to domesticated animals such as lions or bears has failed
and yes a dinosaur may be large, but it would require an equally massive food intake rendering large areas unsuitable for raising domesticated animals meat for food production thus limiting the human population that could exist within said area
if it were within humanity's ability to do so, its likely larger dinosaurs would be hunted to extinction to make room for much more efficient species such as cattle

>>44154273
>larger dinosaurs would be hunted to extinction to make room for much more efficient species such as cattle
Is cattle really that much efficient? Large dinosaurs would loose their temperature way slower than small animals and probably wouldn't need as much food compared to mass of cattle of the same weight given lower energy requirements.

>>44154273
I dont know man, you think warlords wouldn't make the effort for a giant carnivorous tank? You think in a land of dinosaurs he going to look at this and say "nah, I'd rather a horse"? A guy traded his daughter and a bunch of his kingdom for a crowd of war elephants Imagine what they would give for a war T-Rex. And there have been cases where people have trained lions and bears to work for them.

>>44154335
large dinosaurs would be near impossible to properly breed or keep contained and would not give additional products such as milk or wool also given that we know of their small brain sizes it would be near impossible to properly domesticate them
>>44154389
trained, not domesticated, and please do find me a single occurrence of lions or bears being used in warfare
and despite their impressive size, the horse has still been the most efficient war animal in human history by a large margin, especially after the development of spurs.
Had you offered Genghis Khan to trade his horses for elephants he'd have laughed in your face, at best.

>>44154561
Voytek the soldier bear was enlisted in the army. He helped carry shells and once caught a german spy.

>>44154273
But if we assume dinosaurs, we have to assume an environment able to support them as well, meaning potential larger food sources for them or for ourselves. But alright then, let's start simpler. The herdable dinosaurs, do you think they could be tamed?

>>44154561
They would likely give a different brand and durability of leather, way I see it.

>>44154742
And scales. And big fuck off teeth and bones.

>>44154784
Maybe eggs if they ever lay some that are unfertilized too, though possibly that becomes a risk vs reward conversation.

>>44154897
Man those would be some big ass eggs.

>>44154719
Lets not forget that up to very recently in human development, storing large quantities of meat was near impossible, so I could easily see the majority of a killed dinosaur's meat going to waste

I'd say the Sauropoda would be near impossible to domesticate due to their massive size difference compared to humans and low intelligence despite forming herds, further complicated by the fact that they would not actively raise their young
even taming them would prove difficult due to these factors and their large sizes would make it so that killing tamed specimen would always remain difficult and dangerous
Hadrosaurids seem like a much more effective source of tamed dinosaurs given their comparatively smaller sizes and tendency to actively raise young

"So we get hired to bag some tyrannosaurs. Big job. Big Money. The guy we were reporting to made it clear that he was an intermediary. Okay, fine. Not the first time."

"We took ship to the southern contract and did the thing. Three young female tyrannosaurs. One of them got pretty banged up, but we healed her up. We lost a dozen hirelings and a dwarf cleric named Lester Stonehand. Shame about Lester -- he was a good guy to have at your back."

"We get the Big Ladies back home and pick up our pay. Only lost a pair of sailors in the process. Then the ship carrying the lady trexes heads out to parts unknown."

"Later on, we found out what was going on. A Red Dragon named Firesteel -- that's his human name of course -- has... well... tastes that are a little different from the ordinary."

"Yeah, those big, bad, ladies are in his harem."

"Shit."

"I can't let this stand. I was a part of it. I have a responsibility."

"I have to get those ladies home."

>>44154984
Why wouldnt he let that stand?

>>44154957
They might be better suited to feeding an urban environment, like a dinosaur would likely be a feast for most of a city. Also, did you know there is actually a magic workaround for that? Races of the Dragon has what is effectively a refrigerator in it as a magic item, so that implies there may be a way for larger items to be enchanted so meat could be indefinitely kept fresh. Sure, it wouldn't be for the poor cities, but I imagine it would be a worthwhile investment for towns and cities of note at least.

>>44155040
Would you let half dragon tyrannosaurus rexes be loosed upon a countryside? Not one, mind, but possibly groups of them, raised by an evil dragon?

>>44150829
I think actually implementing something like pic related in a game would cause it to collapse on itself under the sheer awesomeness of the concept.

>>44152982
That sounds like the kind of thing that might get him killed if anyone ever found out what his breath actually does.

>>44156358
Why? Undead dinos make the perfect minions for necromancers

>>44155964
Good lord, That bite and fire breath.

>>44157983
Mummified undead dinosaurs being ridden by Egyptian liches is on a whole other level.

>>44158007
Don't forget they would also be able to fly, be smarter, more durable, and stronger than a t-rex, and mature faster than a red dragon to where they could be terrifying threats in a short period (by dragon standards). Not the sort of thing you want a red to try breeding any number of, now is it?

>>44130273
The BBEG turns out to be a t-rex

>>44162335
T-Rex Lich