MTG: Modern General

Abzan or Jund?

>>44106131
Right now Jund, in a slower meta Junk.

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HEY GUYS, COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE GREATEST CARD IN MODERN

for realsies, though, just 4-0'd modern FNM with r/g tron and this guy is the real deal. Always feels good to cast. Even won against Storm with him, and that's a shite matchup for tron

>>44106131
Sultai cause I want the most expensive good-bad deck possible

>>44106077
>I hope Oath does something to shake up the format.


for example a new basic land type?

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>>44106363
>can't cast before turn 4
>helps against Storm

>>44106675
It helps against storm Because it makes deciding to mulligan that much easier

>>44106675
>Even won against Storm with him
>helps against storm
Wow, your reading comprehension really blows, doesn't it?

>>44106498
I doubt that will affect the format much at all.

When's the soonest you all think we could see a Zen fetch land reprint? It would be Shadows over Innistraid right? They don't want two sets of fetches in the same standard iirc.

Also I still need to buy windswepts before they go up

>>44106956
I imagine that we'll have to wait for the Battle lands to rotate out of standard before we get reprints of the ZEN fetches. Having fetchable duals has warped standard so much that WotC will probably want to avoid doing it again.

As for the ONS/KTK fetches, the consensus is to wait and buy them up right after KTK rotates out of standard.

>>44107089
If we have to wait until the tango lands rotate out, fetches will be in whatever comes after SOI god fucking dammit

>>44107089
I don't think windswepts will get any cheaper than 10 bux, and that's what I picked them up for

also I broke down and bought cliques, blood moons, spellskite, engineered explosives and some lands for splinter twin. No more impulse purchases

>>44107173
>also I broke down and bought cliques, blood moons, spellskite, engineered explosives and some lands for splinter twin. No more impulse purchases
Those are pretty essential parts of the deck that have an approximately -1000% chance of being reprinted, so I think that was the right move m8

>>44107233
I mean they've all been in a modern masters set before, so I guess I could wait till 2017 and see if they're reprinted.

But yeah they are pretty essential

https://youtu.be/ZA-eWvDPZX8
Also new lands and Kozi confirmed

>>44106077
>anuslands confirmed
>new basic for anusmana
its goodstuff for when some dickhead wants to play the new kosilek.

>>44107173
I traded off my clique since I don't think they're that great, but they are necessary for a few decks.

It's one of those cards I feel is just a new card printing/meta shift away from dropping like a rock in usage. Stuff like Cryptic and Voice of Resurgence too.

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"Mint" condition from eBay

Hmmmmmmmm

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>>44107540
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>44107424
Finally the butthurt can flow without any remaining doubts.
I like it. Thanks for the link.

>>44107551
>having crumpled corners
>being that much of a faggot with your cards
anon plz.

>>44107560

that's like $20 difference

>>44107500
Cryptic is already seeing less play because of Dispel. Voice doesn't really see that much play to begin with. Clique is really a Twin specific card but I can use it in Miracles so whatever

>>44107551
Send it back

>>44107560
The corner isn't even the issue.

If it was just that, I wouldn't have cared.

The issue is the three bite marks on the card. That makes this card almost worthless. Any shop would determine it to be "damaged"

>>44107574
I am, just thought it was fun to share

>>44107424
Where's emrakul's wastes?

>>44107727
in SOI

so i wanna make a combo deck that uses spellskite, phantasmal image, and wild defiance. i was probably just going to steal twins shell but replace their combo pieces with mine. will it work?

>>44108189
What combo are you trying to do?

>>44108222

2 skites(or copies), drop a pump spell(or any targeting instant/sorcery) and bounce targeting between them with wild defiance up, swing with fatass skites.

>>44108454
Just play infect buddy. A combo that requires at least three spacific cards in play with another in hand is a bad combo.

>>44108454
they will get blocked unless one of the pumps gives trample that will never do anything but hurt you.

>>44106077
Be careful what you wish for.

>>44108492

yeah see i know you're right, but i would mainly just play this because it would be a fun change of pace from playing BGx.

Thunderblust in modern?

Alright guys. I'm heading down to an FNM this evening to play some Modern. I'm the only affinity player at my store, but I'm shelving it to run Storm. Shatterstorms are dead, I was thinking dragon claw to shore up that horrendous burn matchup. Any other tech I should consider?

>>44109031
It's modern legal, but why

>>44107424
If emrakul has the same colorless symbols, it could be great for tron
even kozi might be great for tron

>>44109604
But kozilek is ass.

>>44109612
im only thinking about the card draw but yeah youre right

>>44109604
Kozi doesn't have the immediate impact Ula or Emmy does. Tron doesn't need to counter things

>>44109735
Unless its U tron, but they already got that shit figured out.

>>44109735
I can confirm this.

Has anyone actually given a reason as to why they printed kozi as (8)<><>, instead of (10) and rules text "at least (2) mana spent to cast kozilek must be colorless"? Is that really too hard for new players to understand?

>>44109816
Well yeah. But usually people just talk about the good tron

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Does anyone else really want an eldrazi version of this? I just think the new mana symbol across the top of this card like this would be hilarious. Would also be cool if there was a devotion-like mechanic.

>>44109879
Hey man. Blue tron is the shit. Probably the closest to a true control deck modern has, even if it primarily is tempo oriented.

>>44109837
What amazes me is that the one they went with apparently were too hard to understand for a big part of /tg/.
They want to push the colorless mana in their eldrazi set and in doing that they made a new symbol for colorless casting cost. I can't see how that is hard to understand or a problem in any other way.

>>44109959
It bothers me because its going to be weird errata for cards stretching the whole way back to Sol Ring. Sol Ring Oracle text is going to be: Add <><> to your mana pool. Feels icky.

>>44109959
>>44109986
Not to mention, cards from BFZ like Kozilek's channeler are going to be erratad.

>>44109886
Is mono green stompy worth building?

>>44109986
You don't know this. They more than likely won't

>>44110098
The fact that it's on mystic gate pretty much confirms this.

>>44110005
The only thing I don't like about it is that they waited for the second block to do it.
They really went all in on colorless with devoid and eldrazi and if they want to make new symbol and new basic lands why wait until we are halfway through the eldrazi block? Unless we aren't halfway through because Emrakul will be in Innistrad.

>>44110136
Bloodborne: The Set. Color me hyped.

Will the new emrakul be as big as the old one? Bigger? Weaker? I really can't imagine it after the new Kozilek

So, now that colorless basics are out... can anyone think of any reason to play them now?
Disclaimer: I know they might get support in Oath, but I'm asking for current interactions.
Other than being fetchable with Path, the bad fethclands (Evolving Wilds and the other) and resisting Fulminator Mage and Tec Edge (why would that ever be a issue, though) I can't think about any case where a colorless basic wold be better than a normal basic.

>>44110927
It wouldn't. If you want colorless run Tron or 12post.

>>44110927
support in the upcoming sets is the only thing i can think of. And with how BFZ is turning out, I doubt there is going to be any reason to play them at all. I would love to see a true colorless nonartifact deck in modern though

>>44111035
That's the thing: for now, neither of those decks would have any interest on running a worse version of forest/mountain.

>>44109816
>>44109879
>>44111120
Or Island! No love for U tron in here...

>>44107500
Clique is bad in metas with a lot of bolts running around and seeing as how bolt is in modern, don't expect that to change soon
>>44106956
Oh silly anon. Try never.

>>44111222
I wouldn't say never. Maybe modern masters 16 or 17, but not never. If goyf can get a reprint, so can they

>>44111035
12 post?

>>44111249
it ran all of the locus cards and 4 vesuva. it was kinda like the precursor to tron

>>44111270
Oh I thought you were referring to border post restore balance

dropping 400 eurokeks on modern lantern control

shieeet

>>44111481
You're garbage. Pure human trash

>>44111489
why exactly?

>>44111481
how are you building lantern control for 400 euro

>>44111542
Lantern control is like punching your opponent in the nuts over and over and fucking over. Pillshot after pillshot. It's the most miserable deck to sit across from period, point blank. Full stop. End of story.

Coming from a Storm player.

When will zen fetchs be reprinted?

>>44111636
Sometime after Khans rotates out

>>44111626
Lantern control is like Eggs but not funny.
Not saying people shouldn't play it, thats just what I see it as

>>44110155
I don't think the Eldrazi are subtle enough for Bloodborne. I would love to see it though.

>>44111636
Never ever :)

>>44111610
i had a playset of mox opals and 2 spellskites from affinity

Any skred players here?
How do you feel about running a couple awaken the ancient?

>>44111719
>Lantern control is like Eggs but not funny.
No, Eggs is an all-in combo deck. Lantern Control is a death by 1000 cuts prison deck. The only reason Second Sunrise is banned is because Wizards is stupid with their extra turns shit instead of just adding 10 minutes to a round.

>>44111879
It's not even that the combo takes too long (well it does) it's that people insist on you playing out the combo in hopes that you make a mistake. It ain't even the egg players fault.

>>44112209
Well, or that it fizzles.

>>44111730
Why. Why not. I just need them catacombs.

>>44111873
Vulnerable to a 2 for 1 which would feel bad. You running 4 Koths??
He is the skred king.

>>44113760
>You running 4 Koths??
Oh he'll yea. He's the man.
I'm just thinking with all the path in my meta it wouldn't be so bad

>>44109879
LSV said he liked it when he streamed the deck.

Of course, LSV is pretty bad at magic, so you're probably right.

>>44111626
Nah, lantern control is like tying someone down and cutting their skin off with a cheese grater and then headbutting them in the nuts if they try to make any noise.
Also stormweenie get out, play a real deck

>>44113863
LSV likes any deck that has high-costed U spells.

And that's why I like him.

>>44113883
Lantern is obnoxious, but at least you know when you're dead.

Eggs was worse than Lantern and its not even close.

>>44113812
Maybe a 1-of but it seems kinda weak, especially if you have koth.

>>44113903
What was eggs? I missed like a year and a half of this format and I don't remember hearing that name

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>>44113897

>>44113924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPM2d1q3-Gc

even the commentators hate eggs

what was the comfiest modern deck of all time? personally, my comfiest deck is cawblade just because it was so good and simple but i nkow nobody else thinks so

>>44113956
oh so its just second sunrise, never heard it under that name before

>>44114029
Cawblade was never a modern deck

>>44114350
There was a short period of time when Modern existed as an unsanctioned format.

>>44114350
im retarded

>>44113956
>F6 emblem
Oh man I'm crying
I miss eggs, that was a fun deck to play


>>44114029
Junds pretty comfy to me. Just dudes and kill spells

>>44113956
that was fucking painful to watch. ive never seen someone go off with that deck before and that was excruciating

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Updated Tier Rankings for Modern:
http://modernnexus.com/modern-metagame-breakdown-111-1130/
I'm glad KnightFall has reached Tier 2, it's been amazing for me so far.

>>44115168
Are there any paper knightfall lists out? I'm curious to see them

>>44115168
Please stop shilling your jewish website, Sheridan

>>44115168
>knightfall on the list
>y.pyromancer didn't make the cut

JUST DELVE MY SHIT RIGHT UP WOTC

actually I'm stoked that bant got upgraded, loving the bants

>>44115202
Make your own brotha!
T1 mana dork
T2 Knight
T3 Correlhelm win
If you don't get the correlhelm you just do your bant thing, play some GW beasties to stop aggro and use counterspells to stop combos

So is it better to run regular Naya company and have the only blue spells be coralhelm and thats it, OR do you try to do a Bant deck with Visions and SoH and maybe some counterspells and stuff like steppe lynx and undergrowth champion and make it a whole new deck? I've seen it both ways and they both worked

>>44115563
That's what I was thinking, I think I'll come up with a list here in a second.

When will braindead decks like Jund, Burn and Affinity stop dominating the format?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/james-bond-knightfall/
List lads, pls r8

>>44115691
when wizards bans half of the good cards in modern

>>44115691
You really shouldn't be playing Modern if these are your thoughts on the top decks.

>>44115747
>inb4 affinity and burn involve math abooboo'
Just face it, any retard could play said decks after reading the cards once.

>>44115729
why the wolf run

>>44115691
>>44115778
lol

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>>44115807
>why the wolf run

>>44115807
Trample, also works as a win condition against decks with high life. Most naya company decks run it so I figured I'd include it, steppe can also be grabbed too if you need to

>>44115566
I like the idea of a midrangey bant deck over zoo + enchantment that does nothing on its own

>>44115835
Moot not a pleasant face

>>44115849
I mean you could also just run a Rogue's Passage.

>>44115856
sigil captain + lingering souls

>>44115883
bonus damage, but yeah that could work, I was just thinking of wolf run plus i like it more

Reminder, there will never be a deck as fun as pod was in modern ever again.

>>44115996
Fun is subjective

>>44115923
Wolf Run is a fun card, I like it a lot

>>44115996
>Reminder, there will never be a deck as fun as pod was in modern ever again.
Restore Balance

>>44115691
And what do you play, great thinking man?

>>44115996
So you like overpowered bullshit?

>>44116280
I just like toolbox decks with a lot of decision trees, leave me alone man

the company decks are just bad

>>44115883
I like rogues passage, mostly good for getting through things that can't be tapped by correlhelm like those pesky moths.
If you have you manadork alive when you go off the wolfrun can make your guy fucking huuge, but unless you have a bird out you'll need to shock for a red source. I could see having both, passage in the sb if it's burn and you don't run many birds. Also better vs niche shit like glissa or a wall that absorbs damage or something idk

>sac a land for a fetch
>crack for a land
>sac for another fetch
>repeat a dozen times
> opponent was holding onto a path of exile the whole time

>>44116368
>tap into steppe, protection from white

>>44116351
>the company decks are just bad
Yea, I can agree with this.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/im-seeing-quadruple/

This is a hilarious idea

>>44116391
Holy shit you dawg you

Man that looks like a fun deck to play around with. leaving a fetch open too to do some clutch correlhelm tapping if they do have a manland. The plays, man.

Gonna get myself a tron deck for christmas should i get rg or uw and why? Leaning towards uw right now

>>44118021
RG because its really good and lots of fun to play

>>44107540
Judging by the three dents in the sleeve, it probably got damaged during shipping.

>>44118110
The retard didn't even send it in a toploader, so probably.

>>44118021
RG because it's actually competitive

There's no Standard general going atm, so i'm going to ask this here:

I haven't drafted since KtK and haven't played magic since the BfZ prerelease. I'm going to a bfz draft tomorrow morning. Any tips drafting this? I plan on rare-picking any card worth more than $5 since i'll probably lose

>>44118695
Just read LSV's limited set review.

2 drops are shit in this set, so don't be afraid to have a higher curve.

>>44118695
Try not to play green and for the love of god, don't make a pure ramp deck.

>any card worth more than $5
I don't think there are many. Here in Europe, there are just cards above 5 Euro right now. But with what my LGS had the last few weeks, rare drafting seems to be a viable strategy.

>>44119062
*just two cards above 5

Damn it.

>>44119088
Gideon and ?

Green sun's zenith did nothing wrong

>>44119110
Ulamog. Drana's been dancing around that line for a bit too.

Generally, cards in Europe are waaay cheaper in the 1-5 dollar range and after that around 30% cheaper than in the US.

>>44118083
Well that is a good point.
>>44118660
Are the other versions just not as good?

>>44119319
They are waaaayy worse than RG. RG is great at what it does, super efficient.

>>44119319
RG Tron is high tier-1. The other decks are nowhere near as close, I don't think there's a tier-2 Tron deck at all.

>>44118695
Try to avoid drafting green and remember that you're drafting an archetype rather than just a general colour pair, so the power level of cards can vary wildly depending on what synergies you have.

>Good Archetypes are:
RB Devoid (Key cards: Nettle Drone, Touch of the Void, Grip of Desolation, Forerunner of Slaughter, Kozilek's Sentinel, Vile Aggregate)
UR Devoid (Key cards: Nettle Drone, Herald of Kozilek, Benthic Infiltrator, Eldrazi Skyspawner, Vile Aggregate)
UB Ingest (Key cards: Mist Intruder, Grip of Desolation, Benthic Infiltrator, Sludge Crawler)
UW Awaken: (Clutch of Currents, Roil Spout, Sheer Drop, Halimar Tidecaller)
RW Allies: (Kor Entanglers, Chasm Guide, Resolute Blademaster)
BW Lifegain: (Kalastria Nightwatch, Serene Steward, Bloodbond Vampire, Courier Griffin, Stone Haven Medic)

>Best uncommons/commons:
Rolling Thunder, Grip of Desolation, Clutch of Currents, Stasis Snare, Evolving Wilds, Pilgrim's Eye, Ruin Processor, Deathless Behemoth, Complete Disregard, Angel of Renewal.

>General tips:
Most decks want to run 18 lands, it's a slow format with lots of expensive spells.
Gold uncommons are more valid first picks than they are in other formats.
BG sacrifice is not a real archetype, stay away from this one even if it seems open.
Altar's Reap is a bad card, do not play it.
1 and 2-drops don't matter a whole lot in this format.
The fixing in this format is bad, try to avoid 3+ colour decks and pick Evolving Wilds early and often.

>>44119341
>>44119342
Well now it almost seems like a waste to spend 400 on the other trons if it can get halfway to rg. Is it that much more power?

>>44119922
God yes, its just so much better its not funny. Plus you get to cast eldrazi

Only missing 2 Groves and 2 Karns for a full RG tron list.

Gonna be fun to bring it to FNM once before I go tired of it and try something else.

>>44119922
yes, there are cheaper decks you can run though if you dont care about the archetype

What tier-1 deck should I invest in? I won't have enough money to buy all of it for probably a month, what deck seems to have staying power AND will not be crippled by another ban? I was actually thinking RG tron because affinity might get raped

>>44120011
Tron, Twin, Jund, Naya Burn, ect. Affinity wont eat a ban, its not good enough

>>44120040
I just sold off all of my copies of twin so I don't want to feel like a retard and have to re buy them

>>44120011
probably jund or abzan. abzan's a little weaker, but both are good picks. Unless they ban goyf they are not going anywhere.

I would be a little worried about pieces of twin getting a piece banned.

>>44120056
Twins are like 10 bucks right now, decently cheap.

>>44120062
Twin wont see a ban. Its a turn 4 deck at best and isn't all powerful or dominating.

>>44120056
Twin isn't expensive at all though.

>>44120062
Is abzan even tier 1? It isn't really that popular anymore

All the other cards in twin are expensive though, I'd prefer to spend under 1k on it

>>44120131
The other cards in twin are expensive because they are staples everywhere.

>>44120131
You can spend less than 1K, jsut dont buy tarns

Also yeah abzan is worse than Jund right now

>>44120062
Jund is my favorite fair deck in modern. Just wish I could actually afford it. I could get omni show and most of d&t for its price.

>>44120175
I guess but I don't plan on playing many other decks, especially in blue so I don't really need Vendillion Clique and Snapcasters. I'm thinking tron because the most expensive card is burnwillows, I'm just worried about the Urza lands being banned just like the posts were banned

>>44120219
Burnwillows being $60 is such bullshit.

I refuse to trade them for over $30.
So far I've managed to get two.

>>44120219
Posts are way more broken than the urza lands. I mean, they're still pretty gay, but not ban gay.

>>44120281
They need a reprint, especially because they aren't that broken

>>44120294
Yeah, and I can get the whole deck for about 690 and I'm willing to spend that much for the deck

>>44120209
I sold my entire collection for it. Way worth it. For real

>>44120219
Tron will probably not be banned. Ive talked to some people, Karn might be, it nerfs the deck but its still really good

Alright so i'll probably run tron, whats the best list then? I like this list and it's pretty cheap

21 LANDS
1 Eye of Ugin
2 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Llanowar Wastes
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
6 CREATURES
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Wurmcoil Engine

12 INSTANTS and SORC.
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Pyroclasm
4 Sylvan Scrying
21 OTHER SPELLS
3 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
4 Karn Liberated
3 Oblivion Stone
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

How close is this to most lists? What should I change or what new cards should I add?

>>44118400
Did you get insurance on it?

>>44120587
If you're going to copy a list from mtgtop8, go for the last large tournament instead of a daily or trial.
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=10803&d=261788&f=MO

>>44120678
ah nice, thanks m8 i owe you one

>>44110034
No

>>44119292
Surely Ob Nix is >$5, too

>>44121629
$6, so close.

>>44106363
>Even won against Storm with him, and that's a shite matchup for tron
Dropping a repeatable way of exiling engines on turn 3 is bad?

>>44121797
You can't drop ulamog on turn 3, turn 4 with a perfect draw at the earliest. And Ulamog isn't a repeated source of exiling, it only happens on cast. And storm is a pretty terrible matchup for tron, as it happens

>>44122147
I was talking about Karn. And then there's Ugin next turn.

>>44122165
Oh, well that anon was pretty clearly talking about ulamog. Karn is obviously good. But tron only gets a turn 3 tron about 40-45% of the time, and that's not assuming you have the karn to go with it. Even if you do get it and hit their ascension/electromancer storm can often go off without them. Most games tron is going to struggle to interact before turn 4 and storm can take advantage of that in a way that most decks can't.

So before I pull the trigger, what are the odds that tron is still a tier-1 deck in, say 3 months? I'm fin with making changes to it too btw, I just don't want to spend money and then have the deck drop off in 3 weeks or after a key card is banned

>>44122210
>But tron only gets a turn 3 tron about 40-45% of the time
Storm kills on turn 3 about 15-20% of the time so you're fine.

>>44122284
Pretty solid. We're unlikely to see any part of it banned, let alone a critical part that kills the whole deck. If anything is on the chopping block it's something from GrisShoalBrand or Amulet Bloom that'll eat it.

>>44122321
Is that so? I know it's an inherently unstable deck but I thought it'd be higher than that. Although tron's 40-45% is, as I said, not taking into account having Karn + later gas. There are plenty of games where you power out a natural turn 3 tron and can't draw into anything to use it on.

>>44122362
Alright, that allays my fears so I think I'll work on getting that set up then. I have two other semi-expensive modern decks but neither of them are tier-1 and I'd like to be able to compete in larger tournaments with more stable or reliable decks and tron is the cheapest t1

>>44122423
>tron is the cheapest t1
Shirley affinity is cheaper than tron. $200+ for groves, $200+ for karns alone is pretty monstrous.

>>44122481
Affinity is about 800, Tron is about 680. Karns aren't that expensive, they're about 30 a piece

>>44122481
Based on MTGGoldfish, both are around the same paper price.

Ravager, Glimmervoid and Inkmoth got really pricy this year. At least Opal fell a bit.

whats the most fun deck in modern that doesnt blow

>>44122529
I've got a list sitting in my shopping cart at tcg for 656, unless you can find affinity for cheaper. I actually have like 6 or 7 pieces of both deck too

>>44122557
storm or restore balance. living end if you care about competetive

>>44107424
I am so fucking hype for new Emrakul.
So far Ulamog, Kozilek, and their respective broods have been disappointing, but there's no way they'll fuck up my favorite plane and favorite monster, right guys? Right?

>>44122507
>>44122529
Huh, there you go.

>>44122557
Fun is subjective and different people will enjoy different types of decks obviously, you fucking moron. Why is every thread filled with idiots like you asking this dumb question?

>>44122577
>living end
>competitive
ojojojojojojojojojo

>>44122595
>rent types of decks obviously, you fucking moron. Why is every thread filled with idiots like you asking this dumb question?

im asking for your opinion

>>44122630
My opinion of what's fun is probably not the same as yours. Fun is subjective. Every deck is fun to someone and everyone has different ideas about what fun decks are.

>>44122678
ok

but

im asking for your opinion

>>44122577
How did you get 650 i plugged in the stuff from anons top 8 link and im sitting at 750

>>44121456
Why

>>44122678
Second Breakfeast wasn't fun for anyone

>>44122709
Different guy, I like combo decks because they're so silly

>>44122710
because when you mass entry on tcg player and optimize you can get all of the cards at the lowest price but in decent quality. also i didn't include the sideboard which actually could be the reason

>>44122709
Okay, I like r/g tron and b/w tokens.

>>44122713
Thoroughly mediocre tier 2.5 deck

>>44122742
>Second Breakfeast wasn't fun for anyone
Alright, you got me there.

What does UTron run?

>>44122802
islands and tron lands

>>44122812
wow thanks for that fuck you faggot that was useful information faggot

>>44122802
>What does UTron run?
Consecutive losses

>>44122802
google it

>>44106077
Hello First time /tg/ poster. Today i bought a deck of Black cards from my friend

ive never played mtg ever. My brother bought a blue deck from him. Is there any pointers you can give me?

>>44123982
Don't start with modern.

>>44124025
i dont know if theyre modern or not. Literally the first time being introduced to the game

>>44118400
>>44107540

If you payed for a mint price, I would contact ebay for a refund.

Hi,

I'm looking into getting into this game. I was a causal player from the start of 8th ed until Future Sight was released, which then I've left exited the game because I was only a kid and I had no income. I went on to cheaper cardboard crack (Yugimon) for the next X years until today, where I decided to open 21 boosters from Origins in moonrunes. I'm looking into getting into Modern now that I've got a job, but I have no clue as to where to start. Money's not a major issue, but I'd rather not blow huge sums on a game that I'm kinda looking into getting back into.

I'm more of a control player than anything, and that I'd rather play helmet decks than decks that need massive thought process and thinking. Also, I think Knight of the White Orchard seems like a cool card, and I'd like to tunnel vision myself into splashing 4 copies of it.

What colours should I go for?
What are my deck options?
How much should I expect to spend?

>>44124660
Control isn't viable in modern. So, just give up on that.
If money's no issue, build Jund.

>>44124660
Build a Naya Burn deck (Red, Green, White)
It's a tier 1 deck that can be built for fairly cheap and is very competitive and fun to pilot as well.
Here's a sample list.
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=10539&d=260314&f=MO

>>44124792
Looks interesting. I'm guessing the foundary is there only for Boros Charms and perhaps the Deflecting palm, right?

Also, is the mindset just "go for the face"?

>>44124222
Modern is a format, not about how recent they are. Best tip I can give to a huge newbie is to play magic duels on steam. It's free and it will teach you the rules better than most things will.

>>44124886
The foundry is there yes only for the Boros Charms and SB cards
The Stomping Ground is only there for Atarkas Command and Destructive Revelry. Don't run Wild Nacatl.
And yes you just consistently damage them with the most efficient burn spells in the format.

>>44124886
Naya burn is aggro as fuck, yeah. If you're dead set on control, nix the knights. They're not modern playable at all, let alone in control. If you want a control deck your options are Grixis, w/u with Sun Titan recursion or maybe Jeskai/Esper. Googling those names + moder + control should give you some good lists/primers

>>44124886
Basically just the charms. Burn only gets one card in modern that does 4 for 2 mana and it happens to be white

Lightning Helix is good in the mirror matchup (3 damage, 3 life for 2 mana), otherwise vs poison counters (infect) the lifegain does nothing. Same with Dpalm and searing blaze; you can't blaze and eggs or ad nauseam player, it's a dead card, and you can't dpalm the control matchup (it'll be discarded long before they're doing damage to you or lolcounters)

Burn is really fun, it's what got me into modern.

I can share my budget list that wins against 1000$ decks, it's mono-red tho which means 2 things;

-much, much less expensive
-you literally cannot deal with leyline of sanctity. you will lose probably (though I've won before when they drew it, drew a very based single ball-lightning)

>>44122481

>affinity is cheaper than tron

A couple of months back you would be correct. Glimmervoids have more or less doubled in price since then and Ravagers have gone up in price.

>>44122802

Counterspells, Academy Ruins, Mindslaver, Platinum Angel and Wurmcoil Engine.

Who /buyingfakemtgcardsfromchina/ here?

Is it bad that I don't double sleeve?
I use the Dragon shield mattes and I think the seal and protection on them is good enough. I have a double sleeving kit but the sleeves are such a tight fit with the KMC perfect fit sleeves that it's extremely hard to sleeve the card and in addition I'd have to buy a larger deck box

>>44126317
I double sleeve Dragon Shields with KMC perfect sizes and I don't think it's hard to do.

New mechanic named "Surge" was spoiled if anyone missed it.

>>44126869
show ussssss

>>44126869
any more info? im not getting anything on google, please.

>>44126887
>>44126869
It's another "Alternate Cost" mechanic, the shown card was:

Crush of Tentacles
4UU
Sorcery
Surge 3UU
You may cast this card for it's surge cost if you or a teammate cast a spell this turn.
Return all non-land permanents to their owners hands. If Crush of Tentacles Surge cost was paid, put an 8/8 blue octopus creature token onto the battlefield.

Wizards confirmed that Surge costs will ALWAYS be lower than the casting cost too during the announcement.

>>44126887
>>44126892
Spoil isn't up yet but I remember the card

Tentacle Rape 4UU
Sorcery-mythic
Surge 3UU (you may cast this for it's surge cost if you or a teamate have already casted a spell this turn)

Return all nonland permanants to their owner hands. If this card was Surged then also put an 8/8 Kraken in play.

Also the prerelease format is 2HG

>>44126905
>>44126910
interesting...

>>44126921
Where does this even "naturally" fit in (assuming no straight up good cards are printed)? Amulet Bloom that has the pacts? Grixis/Twin runs cantrips I guess as does storm, also Jund has alot of 1 drops I guess.

Now that I think about it this isn't hard to trigger but I am assuming it won't have many/any cards pushed/cheap enough for modern.

>>44126910
>Also the prerelease format is 2HG

Yikes.

>>44126197
if I drop an email could you hook a bro up?
last thread someone said they'd email bomb it and tbqh it's a risk I'm willing to take

>>44127047
Holy fuck please
please buff my delver
tentacle looks cool for multiplayer

>>44127047
It'll be like converge, a mechanic that requires a minor hurdle but is worth if it the card is decent. Like radiant flames or painful truths.

>>44122577
>solitaire masturbation
>fun

I'm working on my mono black vampire aggro/tempo deck again that centers around Vampire Nocturnus. Current land base is 20 swamps cuz im a poorfag. My friend recommends repacking about 10 of them with fetch lands.

My question to /tg/ is what's a good balance for an aggro deck?

>>44108492
>what is amulet bloom

>>44124660
go for red or white or green or maybe black, any combinaton of those that includes green

you have aggro aggro aggro and tron and aggro and twin to pick from

expect to spend 700-1700 on a t-1 or even high t-2 deck

>>44127502
monoblack vampires sucks, go for red black, access to much better cards. also do about a third fetches

hey, i am relatively new to modern and have only ever played infect in the format. I am looking for a control deck that is not Grixis or lanturn. I was thinking Tron but don't know if it is any fun. Do you guys know of any deck that are good at making a long interactive game?

>>44127649
Is the red just for Stormkirk Captain and Dreadbore?

>>44127726
twin is kind of control.
The thing is, theres actually no real T1/T2 control deck in the meta

>>44127769
people keep telling me Tron is not fun, but it appears to be control enough and uses abnormal cards. what do you think of the deck. i may have miss spoke on what i wanted because it is really a second opinion on Tron

>>44127726
>>44127789
Tron is fun enough if you're into that sort of thing, but it's a combo deck, not a control deck. It generally doesn't try to do a long game, and it certainly isn't terribly interactive. There's a 99% white 1% blue control deck that uses Sun Titan and Emeria and shit to recur removal/ghost quarters etc. that's pretty cool

>>44127797
Emeria control right? sounds cool but i can't remember why people don't play it much

>>44127815
Because it's not a tier 1/1.5 deck. It's viable enough, and nobody sees it coming, but it has some really shitty matchups that prevent it from being a top tier deck. This anon >>44127769 is basically right, though. The closest thing to a good control deck in the meta right now is grixis, and that's fairly midrangey

>>44127789
Tron is a combo deck, no matter what Top8 or whatever tells you. It relies on a three-card combo to play its best cards, and the RG version in particular is heavily geared towards finding said combo.

The only sense in which it's NOT a combo deck is if you're taking the word "combo" to mean "a set of cards that wins you the game on the spot". With Tron the combo merely allows you to play cards T3 that make people scoop, which apparently isn't close enough for some people.

>>44127815
It's good against decks that wants to beat you with creatures.
It loses to combo decks unless it's a combo that can be stopped by Path.

Together with Mono Green Stompy it's probably the cheapest deck that will still do fine at FMN tier play.

>>44127825
>>44127848
is it cheap? it sounds good enough for me since my play group like tier 1.5 or tier 2 decks with only a few tier 1 deck floating around to keep everyone on point.

>>44127880
Emeria? Literally as cheap as a modern deck gets without being a laughable mess

>>44127897
200 or 300?

>>44127910
About that, yeah

>>44127880
>>44127910
Path to Exile is the most expensive card in the deck barring lands.
If you go full budget as in mono white I think you can do it for under 150$. You probably want the blue stuff though but it's still only somewhere between 200 and 300.

>>44115691
>he doesn't like Burn and Affinity
what's wrong with you? Jund just feels like a boring goodstuff deck and is very boring, but the other two are classic fun decks.

>>44127945
Anon, that post was bait. You need to learn to ignore that stuff, my sweet summer child

>>44127943
what is the blue stuff?

Why did superfriends fall out of favor? :(

>>44128001
Mainly just Supreme Verdict and Detention Sphere, but you can run the mono white versions of those. It also opens up for counters if you want it, but it's not really a draw-go kind of control deck.

I guess the main reason I want blue is because I want to build it into UWr control some day.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-11-15-emeria-titan/

>>44119385
best advice ITT anon

>>44128046
what is with Mortarpod?

>>44128076
The whole deck revolves around Sun Titan an Emeria and ETB effects.
You want to get a lot of plains and then get everything back from your graveyard. Mortapod lets you sac a dude to deal 1 damage then get it back and get the ETB effect. It's also early game removal that synergize with your Wisp.

I wouldn't run more than 2 though.

>>44128076

Sac creature, bring it back with Sun Titan or Emeria, Sky Ruin.

>>44128112
there is not any better sac outlets?

>>44128133
Not repeatable ones that are that cheap and have a useful ability, and work on their own in a pinch

>>44128160
could the deck use black instead of blue so that way it could use viscera seer and the removal? or is blue that important?

>>44128175
You don't really need the extra kill spells that black could give you.
Also Mortapod is actually not as bad as you might think on first glance. I don't see Viscera Seer being a particularly big improvement and at least not enough to splash black over blue.

>>44110136
Well they did the same thing with menace. DTK didn't have it, but Origins does.
Also there are plenty of cards that do exalted or prowess like effects and don't have the said effects coined under their respective keywords, most notable examples on top of my head being monastery mentor and battlegrace angel
Shit just works.

>>44110034
Yeah, it's the most powerful deck you can play under $100, and back in the pod days it was legitimately tier 1.5 because it beat pod so badly.

>>44128251
Wouldn't a $100 burn list be better? Though no goblin guides so maybe not. I think tier 1.5 is too far a stretch btw, when merfolk, hatebears, and scapeshift were all also considered tier 2.

>>44127945
They're only fun if you like a deck that plays itself and where you're only witnessing the random order of the cards.

>>44129258
Here, have a reply. Not that you really deserve it.

What are some good gruul cards other than destructive revelry.
I'm thinking of splashing green for TarmoSkred

>>44129748
Just play Gruul Zoo family

>>44129258
Confirmed for having never played either. There are many lines of play with burn and affinity and although both decks are easy to learn they are hard to master. Burn in particular has many avenues of play it can go by and it takes a really good pilot to determine what to do when

>>44130312
But that's am entirely different deck.

>>44129748
Ghor-Clan Rampager

Why does WotC continue to make these shitty "Magic: Duels" games year after year instead of putting that money into improving MODO?

Is the "Duels" series just a prototype for a new version of MODO?

What do you all expect for the future of MTGO?

>>44131694
Why is it called MODO when it's MTGO

>>44131733
It was originally called "Magic Online with Digital Objects"

People use both indistinguishably.

>>44131694
I expect mtgo to keep trudging along. Wizards knows it can continue to make dosh off of it even with the shitty client

>>44131694
Duels is supposed to get new players into the game, that's why this one is f2p.

MTGO's interface is a mess but it has to be that way to handle the complex interactions between cards.

>>44131855
Yeah, that's a given for sure.

They really don'y have an excuse for how terrible MTGO looks, though.

>>44131855
>MTGO's interface is a mess but it has to be that way to handle the complex interactions between cards

Hahahaha, no.

There's literally no excuse for how utter shit the MTGO interface looks.

Theres no reason it has to look utter shit just because there are complex interactions.

Is $300 for 4 future sight tarmogoyf a good deal?

>>44133086
Maybe they're going to print a good card for Storm in this set. Unlikely but hey I'm just hoping for 3-4 playable OGW cards in relevant Modern decks. Kinda like Dragons of Tarkir.

>>44133572
If they are real yes. If not no. Make sure they are legit before jumping on a "too good to be true" opportunity.

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>>44133572
Uh yes, but that sounds fishy.

>>44133572
It's literally LESS than HALF of the actual value.

$640 is the median value.

I'd be really cautious, they are probably fake.

>>44133572
>>44133601
Captcha confirms it's too good to be true.

>>44133575
>Kinda like Dragons of Tarkir.
Kinda like BFZ? That epic set showered us with playables, modern will never be the same.

>>44133598
>>44133608
Any telltale signs of a fake?

>>44133720
really glossy to the touch, text has a different thickness.

The dot matrix on the cards is different. One VERY distinguishable feature is that the text on real magic cards is that the card text is solid black, while fakes have a similar dot matrix on the card text and background. If your eyesight isn't amazing I'd recommend a jewelers loupe for this.

Set symbol is often slightly different in thickness and color, they often slack on the set symbol.

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All I have is this pic to show. They look real to me

>>44133837
That's literally impossible to tell with how fucking blurry the picture is.

Another reason to be suspicious.

>>44133837
Oh yes, this blurry picture has really proven that these goyfs being sold for less than half their real price are not fakes.

Go ahead and buy them, my dad works for wizards and he is telling me they are for realz.

>>44133883
>>44133924
Fuck, I guess I'll let them go.

>>44133939
When I bought into Goys I got myself the MM15 ones, guaranteed not fake.

>>44133939
Who's selling these? Can you see them in person?

Anyone want to draft on XMage?

>>44108454
Hold on a sec do you need 2 skites? Because you can activate the ability as many times as you have life for, I don't know if the game considers the spell being retargeted though.

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>>44134189
Dank

>>44131694
They don't want to actually compete with themselves. If they made a good virtual version of the game there are people that would play that instead of playing in real life. By making nothing but heavily limited shit and keeping mtgo niche they get to have their cake and eat it too. The virtual options are bad enough that very few people are going to drop paper magic for them, but the people that are only willing to play virtually or will play both can still give them their money.

What do you think of the Troll Worship deck?

>>44134845
I'm convinced it's a mirage because I've seen many people talk about it but I've never seen a decklist. It's probably shit anyway.

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>>44135855
Its more or less like this

>>44136068
could stoneforge mystic be unbanned?

>>44136313
Why not?

It's kind of fucking dumb they'd make a promo card a banned card.

>>44136362
>turn 3 batterskull consistently

Seems pretty unlikely to me, but doesn't seem THAT bad..

>>44136575
Is it really that much worse than say a T3 4/5 Tarmogoyf?

Both die to almost all popular removal besides lightning bolt.

>>44136670
LOL T3 batterskull is MUCH better than goyf.

>>44133649
Every set in khans block had multiple playables, best block in a while

>>44109956
>the most cloese to a true control is esper control

>>44133939
buy some chinese ones for like 2 usd, it will save you a lot of money

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>Jake Mondello

Ur twin ir grixis twin, which is better?

>>44136575
>>44136809
Maybe the popularity of Kolaghan's Command will keep it in check.

>>44137694
That would be fine and all if they didn't give Batterskull evasion for some weird fucking reason.

They will just return it to their hand and try to put it into play the next turn. Obviously they will be delayed a bit having to hold the mana up, with the the batterskull in play its basically a win.

>>44137774
KCommand kills the stoneforge so they can't discount it. Yeah the bounce is pretty good, but after stoneforged is dead even if you can recast it its no better than a normal batterskull, and "with the batterskull in play its basically a win" is nowhere near true. And if you're holding mana up its a T5 play at the earliest without acceleration, which is really not that impressive.
It also fucks them if they topdeck an SFM, because you can kill it and make them discard the equipment they tutored.

Not that guy though. I don't think it would be broken, but it probably is too good for what wotc wants the format to be

>>44137944
Imagine the shenanigans with stoneforge though, it's such a powerful card and I have a feeling that something kinda like cawblade would arise again

Troll ascetic in mono green stompy, good or dumb idea?

>>44137277
If only I knew how

>>44138072
Probably dumb
You're soft to removal heavy decks anyway, adding an otherwise subpar creature isn't really going to improve those matchups and will weaken your main gameplan.
I don't play the deck though. What would it replace?

>>44138072
Why even consider Troll Ascetic when you can run Dungrove Elder?

>>44138156

Probably one of the 3 drops. It would have to replace something like Leatherback Baloth.

>>44138027
I don't think we'd be in a Cawblade situation simply because the pool of cards in Modern is large enough for people to have effective hate for it. That being said, it's questionable as to whether Stoneforge would warp the format too much to be legal.

>>44138204

Hell, true that. Disregard my dumb ideas.

Stony silence is in most main boards or some form of artifact hate.
It seems the meta is already prepared if Stoneforge returns

>>44137694
That's what they said about Affinity.

>>44138072
depends on what else you have
elder is good, predator ooze is decent, leatherback is great

>>44138214
never replace baloth m8

>>44138280
stony silence prevents activated abilities, it does absolutely nothing to stop stoneforge

>>44138280
I am not even going to touch on how retarded what you said about stony and stoneforge is, nor how retarded your logic of "there is hate for it" is.

>>44138303
KCommand is great against affinity
Its a pretty decent chunk of the reason the deck isn't on the chopping block for bannings

If stoneforge came back, i think we would see a deck running 4 hawks, 4 puresteel paladin, 4 vault skirge, 4 pest, 4 stoneforge, 2 shapers gift, 4 swords of some kind, 4 batterskull, maybe cranial, in some kind of b/w equipment deck

>>44138364
Affinity has been the top ranked deck for the past 2 months+ and the Grixis/Jund match ups are from from auto lose.

>>44138418
What is it about Squadron Hawk specifically that makes it so potent when combined with Stoneforge Mystic? I wasn't playing Magic when those cards were around so it's difficult to tell at face value why Hawk was so good.

>>44138361

I replaced my baloth with goblin ram gang. It works surprisingly well.

>>44138468
Hawk helped cut down on variance with all the library manipulation+draw effects.

With serum visions alone, I doubt hawk will make a comeback.

>>44138468
because it gives you 3 other hawks, so if one dies you can re-equip it, plus its an incredibly cheap card to play and it refills your hand. not to mention it has flying which most decks in modern dont have many answers to. If that hawk had sword of war and peace equipped to it, neither path nor exile nor pyroclasm could kill it.

tl;dr: kinda lie lingering souls and helps with deck thinning. which this equipment deck could run as well.

>>44138537
>>44138548
So why aren't current Modern decks running it?

>>44138617
because it isnt that incredible on its own, it needs support and currently that support is sitting on a banned list with a long wait time to being unbanned
a 1/1 flier isnt that scary, but a 3/3 flyer with protection from red and white is fucking scary

>>44138468
It had synergy with JTMS in that you could have 3 Hawks in hand, brainstorm 2 of them on top, and then squad up again and redraw them

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-12-15-stoneforge/
if this becomes legal, what happens?

>>44138890
Nothing because that list is beyond trash. If you are so braindead/new you don't know where stoneforge works best then just copy legacy stoneblade lists.

>>44138890
Nigger what are you doing

Am I the only one who thinks telling new magic players to start with standard is a bad idea? My friends had me start in modern and helped me build super casual budget decks that gave me an idea of different play styles that I could upgrade. If someone starts in Standard, and sticks with it for a while then wants to move on to Modern they're stuck with hundreds of dollars worth of unusable/rotating cards when they could have built an uber casual (and probably better than Standard) monored deck for 50 bucks that could be upgraded to burn.

>>44139288
Yes, have them start with a cheap modern deck. Standard is shitty if you don't really understand the new mechanics and interactions and buying packs for standard is just going to run you dry

>>44139288
Standard is ass right now, start them on any form of pauper or pauper variant

>>44139288
I think that Standard is a better constructed format for new players to start with purely because there are fewer cards/mechanics. Modern has a huge number of cards/mechanics to be aware of and it's probably too much for someone that's been playing for a month to take in.

>>44139339
Standard is great right now as far as the power of decks goes, but as far as cost goes it's in an awful place.

>>44139369
True but how many of those mechanics are really relevent when looking at the top tier decks. None of the decks are particularly harder to understand than any standard deck. In fact, if anything standard is worse since you're going to be dealing with mechanics that may not be relevant in eternal formats.

new
>>44139590
>>44139590

>>44133803
The text not being solid black has actually been fixed.

>>44139288

>If someone starts in Standard, and sticks with it for a while then wants to move on to Modern they're stuck with hundreds of dollars worth of unusable/rotating cards

Normally you'd be correct but many of the cards in current Standard(fetches, various commands, Collected Company, Rending Volley, MemeRhino, Flip Jace, Monastery Mentor) all see Modern play. Entirety of Khans block is still worth buying up into as you can still have plenty of solid playable cards for Modern and still have a viable Standard deck that doesn't cost much as long as you avoid playing decks with flip Jace.