/Blood Bowl/ General - Styln' On You Edition

But we're in Round 4.

Do you think Dark Elves would be more durrable if they didn't expose midriff?
Like did Malekith demand it to show dark elven superiority, or is it to distract the enemy with sweet abs?

>>44036219
Nah AV8 on elves is insanely durable

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>>44036223
And it looks good

>>44036230
Yeah I'd fuck any of those

Yes I know what witch elves do to men

>>44036246
>Yes I know what witch elves do to men
Spoon and coax them into long term loving relationships in a cozy Naggarodian apartment?

>>44036256
Hey, you can make believe what you want, but you're still going to be drowned in a cauldron of blood.

>44035956
Getting block is much more important for you than 4 strength.

>>44036274
I hope I drown though, it would suck to survive, become an assassin, and then you're playing bloodbowl with AV7, shadowing and stab.

Easy, prey.

>>44036659
And then you are only playing against halfling team and suddenly you are a pretty good player.

>>44036689
S3, A4, Shadowing, Stab is pretty op against halflings

>>44036702

Yeah, but so's St6 + Tentacles + Tackle.

http://www.hdwsbbl.co.uk/teams/talos-tobacconists/roster/

The ONLY thing that stands in this teams way of lifting our local Superbowl this year is the OTHER Chaos team that concentrated on Mighty Blow and Claws instead.

Who Skaven master race here?

>>44039195
>-ST chaos warrior

>>44039935
I, too, enjoy resting on the side of the pitch with other players screaming in agony

>>44039935
I was nailing every pass with my gutter runners the other day, gutter runners with catch are unstoppable

>>44040146
Gutter Runners with sprint and +MA are the true monsters.

>>44040166
Any Skaven tips and strategy I can get from you?

>>44040071

Hey, that's not MY team this year.

THIS is my team.

http://www.hdwsbbl.co.uk/teams/the-lonsmouth-shadows/roster/

...I have made mistakes.

>pitch invasion stuns half my team but none of my enemy
SURE THING RNG

>>44040927
Pitch invasion is such dog shit

>>44040358
Linerats are meat walls. Stormvermin are killers. Gutter Runners do everything with the ball. You also want to have atleast one GR be leveled to do one turn touchdowns.

>>44040927

You mean something OTHER than that can happen?

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>>44040358
Here is a pdf on basic scaven stuff.

>>44040166
I usually prefer to just let the gutter have +ma and chain push him to get in 1 turn range,this way you don't have a useless gutter during the rest of a match

>>44040381

>Hull cannot host a semi-regular BB league without it running out of steam and half the people dropping out
>some literally where place in Cambridgeshire can

This makes me sad.

So who would you rank for best and worst of each postion in bloodbowl?

For example
Its agreed that HE have possibly the best thrower in the game, while Khemri objectively have the worst

>>44042008
Wardancers are the best blitzers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Khemri also have the worst blitzers in the game.

>>44042008
I'd put Kronxigor for best big guy. 6mv least painful "stupid" quality and prehensile tail for shits and giggles.

Troll easily takes worst for the big guy quality

>>44042008
>while Khemri objectively
actually it is the bomber on the goblin team he doesn't even have normal access to the passing skill tree also does not start with the throw skill.

>>44042056
Krox or Beast of Nurgle would be a toss up.

>>44042062
He is also literally unable to pick up a ball.

>>44042008
I've heard that DE linemen are "the best" of all linemen (despite being identical to HE linemen)

Also I am really fond of HE catchers, though they are undoubtedly beat by PE catchers and Gutter runners

>>44042062
Well then he's not really a thrower, is he?

>>44042056
I agree that trolls are the worst, but I'd say that Beasts of Nurgle are the best Big Guys. Starting with Tentacles and Disturbing Presence is just really good for a Big Guy.

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>>44041927

The Huntingdon District Wargaming Society is probably one of the better wargaming clubs in the country though.

A few years back they put on a 35mm (I think? It was a few years back) full scale Market Garden game for Salute.
I remember playing out their test game in the club a few weeks prior, and choking up one of the bridges with the corpses of my tanks.

...christ our old Club Treasurer looks young in this, 7 years with us has AGED the man terribly.

>>44042092
I'd agrue that he is less reliable than the kronx, who has almost as good prehensile tail, and you can actually activate him with only a 1/6 chance of boner-brain

>>44042008

I think Amazons might have the worst catchers. & MA is just so slow, you can't actually do passing plays with them.

>>44042123
Amazons are just the worst team once you pass 1500tv

They are good for beginers I guess, but a good team shouldn't hinge on one (easily countered) skill

>>44042121
Well, you'r enot going to activate the Beast if you don't have another player next to him, and I'd say tentacles is stronger than tail for tying players up. It's a bit of a tie though, and the Krox is generally more reliable, so I wouldn't say that the Beast is straight up better.

>>44042140

Agreed, Norse are probably better since unlike 'zon's there's no easy to get skill that counters Block.
Also Str5 access in the form of Yhetee's (or Snow Trolls or whatever they're being called now) plus decent St4 Not!Werewolves.

>>44042167
The tentacles get useless when you roll a one though.

>>44042090
DE teams are more likely to hit the other team, so their linemen are more valuable than HE linemen despite being identical.

Like a 3 4 6 8 player in DE is better than a 3 4 6 8 player in HE because the DE will at some point get into a bash war with some teams (WE, Skaven, Halflings, Norse maybe)

Since DE will sometimes get into bash wars, they'll lose some players here and there, having a quality lineman is good here because the 3 4 6 8 means they're fairly resilient, no strength penalty, average move-speed, and of course, elf agility means you can handle the ball with them.

TL;DR sometimes DE will bash the other team and lose players so the quality linemen perform better, where HE will never get into bash wars so they don't really make use of the high quality chaff players since their all stars do the heavy lifting

>>44042197

Tentacles don't work that way anymore.

I don't get why people say krox is the best big guy, I think wild-animal is the best really stupid rule, since you never lose your tackle zones

Some plays get absolutely devastated because their big guy loses his tackle zone and they can't re-position to stack tackle zones on the gap in the line.

>>44042008
Best Blocker either the Mummies Mighty Blow and Regeneration + Str 5 or Nurgle Warriors.
Worst Bretonnians or Black Orcs

>>44042199
>so they don't really make use of the high quality chaff players since their all stars do the heavy lifting
I disagree completely
Its rule one to give your linemen touchdowns when you can. HE need to skill up everyone or die

>>44042220
Because he is just really good. Standard AV and ST, tail, high movement, and doesn't need someone next to him or to blitz.

>>44042206
I thought you lose tackle zones = there are no tackle zones afftected by tentacles. Oh well, not like I'll ever stoop down so low as to play Nurgle.

>>44042242
>Of course dwarfs are a death sentence.
Exactly, your team hinges on blodge, and will ALWAYS lose to dorfs.

A dark elf team with blodge has a chance because they are fast enough to play some throws and agile enough to where the dodge skill is more of just insurance, rather than the key to their mobility

>>44042220
But unless you want to risk wasting your blitz, your wild animal will either frenzy himself into no man's land or will be just dodged away from and then he's standing somewhere roaring for half the game.

>>44042090
I really like Orc linemen or Brit linemen

40K for a lineman who already has fend is a steal.

>>44042239
It doesn't matter if you disagree, the HE gameplan against some teams isn't "throw blocks until both sides are down players"

>HE need to skill up everyone or die

Name one team that doesn't skill up almost all their players? There isn't one, because BB has player casualties, so you need backups in case marty stew GFIs and dies.

Every team skills up every player as much as nuffle allows them, except dwarves because playing dwarves is literally cheating and you're probably not going to win

>>44042304
>Orc linemen
Yes but orcs have so many good players, you kinda don't need them

I like the roster of 4 blitzers, 4 black orcs, 1 thrower, one gobbo, 1 troll

Though I could defiantly see someone not wanting a troll though.

>>44042327
>Name one team that doesn't skill up almost all their players?
"I'd better give this ball to a skaven lineman, they have value"- Said no one ever

>>44042266
Just don't activate the beast. You just sit him next to a gutter runner and then don't move him unless you have to. If you stick a rotter by him he is basically reliable as the krox

>>44042220
I fucking hate wild animal. Worst fucking big guy skill. They can't stand up without wasting a blitz and spend like 90% of the game roaring in 1 spot like a rooted tree.

>>44042395
Which still makes them better than a tree.

>>44042395
>I fucking hate wild animal. Worst fucking big guy skill.
I assume you've never played with a troll. They are responsible for more smashed keyboards then any player.

I'd have a mino over a troll any day of the week

>>44042395
>spend 90% of the game roaring in 1 spot

I've literally never had this happen

>your wild animal will either frenzy himself into no man's land

Or this, are you guys really this bad at bloodbowl that you can't frenzy your big guy into multiple tackle zones?

Jesus christ how horrifying

>>44042439
But your opponent's never going to intentionally stand next to him so you can get a good position.

>>44042362

Someone needs to get Kick, and it's wasted on anyone else.

I definitely wouldn't give them TDs just to earn it though. Leave it to MVPs and the odd Injury here and there.

>>44042413
Trees are useful to their teams. I don't block down against wood elves if they have a tree. Where as if I see a chaos team with a mino I get super happy because I know they just wasted 150K TV on a player that is totally worthless and will be wasting him to blitz instead of their beast men.

>>44042439
Just knock him down and run away. Fucking minos roll so many 1. Just all the time if I used one or if I am playing against one they just spend half the game rolling 1s

>>44042520
>I don't block down against wood elves if they have a tree.
You block down everyone else besides the tree and let it sit in the middle away from everything.

>>44042548
I just lineup to the side and attack their back field. Maybe leave a lineman by the tree. But I generally don't even bother going for the 2 elves on the line in that case.

>>44042266
>stoop so low as to play Nurgle
>Instead play Lizards, the most min maxed try hard team in the game.

>>44042677
But I don't.

>>44042677
Man fuck Lizards, skinks are OP as hell

>>44042698
>>44042677
Lizards are not op, why does /tg/ hate them so much?

http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/LRB6Stats.htm

>>44042733
>percentages
>as arguments
>in blood bowl
They're annoying to play against as they can both outbash and outrun you if you're not the best at both.

>>44042733
They can be very frustrating.
They are faster than elf teams because str4/5 mv6, players, and mv8 skinks and have one of the best big guy to boot, if not the best

>>44042733
They have tank Lizardmen and little guys who can traverse the whole field AND do some damage despite being small

>>44042733
Lizards aren't OP, but they are very solid and quick to pick up.

>>44042761
Bloodbowl is literally nothing BUT percentages anon

>>44042733
That chart says halflings are better than gobbos
>>>/trash/

>>44042781
Dorfs can't catch skinks, unlike Amazons skinks have stunty and speed

>>44042788
They're never accurate though. You're not telling me you suceed 5/6 gfis and elf dodges.

>>44042809
>I don't understand what are percentages

>>44042809
I definitely do man, just because you believe the dice are against you doesn't mean they are.

I get away with a LOT of elf bullshit, and I can't help but smirk and tell my opponent how unfair delves are when I dodge through three tackle zones to get a TD

>>44042733
>7 pieces that have 4+ st 9 armor and 6 move
>able to build a cage of 4 4st pieces and only need to move it like 2 spaces into the enemy half to score.

>>44042827
They're all lies. A 4+ roll is either 0% or 100% every time.

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>>44042827
If you trust the odds, you clearly haven't played bloodbowl
read the file name please

Tomorrow at 21:30 come watch:
Animeted Clothing: The Chaos Dwarves from the far east.
v
Ashenvale Leaves: The last hope for Elves everywhere.

>>44042877
You can't park people next to them when they have bones broken by sauruses though

>>44042843
>>44042841
there's a difference between trusting the odds and believing a 4+ roll will succeed 4 times out of 6 everytime

>>44042888
I, for one, am glad most of the elves are in the lower half of the scoretable.

>>44042877
>>44042877
If you can get a dorf next to a skink the lizard player fucked up.


I've only ever managed to knock all the skinks out of the game once. It was with humans and I ended the game with like 5 players.

>>44042877
>they all need a 3+ dodge without auto-RR to get away
But they have dodge, so they do get a free reroll agi3+dodge > agi4 w/o dodge. which is why tackle is vital.

also good luck catching them in a sea of saruses and 8 mv, they are second only to gutter runners

>>44042926
Yes, but stats are by no means a garentee at all.
Otherwise I wouldn't have double skulls, reroll double skulls happen 3 times in a half.

It usually takes 1 failure to cause a turnover

>>44042978
If you're dwarves you're not going anywhere even if you're not knocked down so I don't understand how that's a solution.

>>44042978
2db without block are more often successful and reliable than 1db with block

>>44042972
where did I mention odds are guarantees? Because that's exactly the complete opposite of what I'm pointing out

>>44042997
I'm talking about lizards in general
still you can't get a dorf next to a skink unless its a fuck up

This thread reminded me how much I fucking loath lizard players. Fuck lizards

The last Quarter Final of the FUMBBL Cup is about to start over there. OP as fuck Chaos vs OP as fuck Skaven.

It's the biggest tournament on the FUMBBL calendar, allowing both [R] and [B] teams to enter. These teams had got past about 7 rounds already.

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>>44043092
>mfw that one guy turn 16 fouled Cknoors skink

>>44043221
Tell me it killed skittles.
That would make me happy

>>44043387
>Skittles
>cKnoor
Did you get someone good confused with that meme machine?

>>44043213
Dorfs have tackle, knockdowns are 3/4

>>44042091
but he throws bombs?

>>44043789
Thought you were talking about something else, sorry.

>>44043767
Do throwers usually throw bombs?

>>44043819
throwers usually throw bombs goblins and a pig bladder.

>>44042073
he can pick up the ball

>>44043933
you can't break those cuffs

vamps vs necro right now

Talabheim LARPERs Guild vs Brettonian Werewolf in Tilea, we should be starting any moment now!

>>44044994
post a spectator link please

>>44045079
https://fumbbl.com/p/group?op=view&group=9828

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Daily reminder that there is no viable counter to Wood Elves in BB2

>>44045079

https://fumbbl.com/ffblive.jnlp?spectate=796174

>>44045153
thanks

>>44045131
Explain?

>>44045131
>I can't get tackle or beat them up

What do you guys think of Ripper?
The idea of a troll WITHOUT really stupid enthralls me

Nigga chaos is 10x more OP than any elf team in Blood Bowl 2

>>44045848
not really
the strongest teams in BB are wood elves lizardmen and chaos dwarves

>>44046064
and I forgot undead

Somebody link me some good dark elf game replays plz. Bonus if without witches or with lvl 1 witches. All opponents appreciated
I gotta learn.

>>44046091
>>44046064
he's talking bb2, not all of bloodbowl

Also lizardmen and chaos dwarves are NOT top tier, neither is undead, necro yes, undead no

Now, to educate you

Yes, in bb2, open league NAF, chaos IS overpowered, because in a perpetual league, with no point, no ending, no playoffs, just endless games, chaos is the best race

Dwarves are good too, but chaos is king, because clawpomb

You'll get a team leveled up, get your star players clawpombed and then you'll end up with a much lower TV than you started with because your guys died.

There's no real solution to it because perpetual leagues are pointless in a way, winning and losing doesn't matter, it's just a time sink, there's nothing gained and nothing lost.

As for you >>44046531 read the wood elf guide on plasmoids (it's a great guide to bb in general) and read the dark elf guide on plasmoids

http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/playbooks/Woodelf2.pdf
http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/playbooks/DarkElfFixed.pdf

Why are dwarfs such a shit team

>>44046836
What's with all the dorf salt in this topic

Dorfs have no ST 4 and no claws.

>>44046836
Dorfs are good for starters, forgiving albit slow
How are Chaos dorfs? I never got bb chaos edition

>>44046869
Amazon players I guess

>>44046773
why should necro ever be considered top tier?

Tier 1
Wood Elf
Orc
Norse
Dark Elf
High Elf
Pro Elf
Skaven
Humans
Undead
Lizardmen
Amazons
Dwarves
Chaos Dwarves

Tier2
Necromantic
Vampires
Slann
Chaos Pact
Chaos

Tier3
Khemri
Ogres
Flings
Goblins
Underworld
Nurgle

Medium TV

Top tier
Wood Elves
Dark Elves
High Elves
Pro Elves
Skaven
Orcs
Dwarves
Chaos Dwarves
Amazons
Lizardmen
Necromantic

Tier2
Humans
Norse
Vampires
Slann
Chaos Pact
Chaos
Nurgle
Undead
Khemri

Tier3
Ogres
flings
gobos
Underwold

High TV

top tier

Chaos Dwarf
Wood elves
Dark Elves
High Elves
Pro Elves
Skaven
Chaos
Nurgle
Chaos Pact

Tier 2
Orcs
Lizardmen
Slann
Humans
Necromantic
Undead
Khemri
Amazons
Underworld

Tier3
Norse
Vampires
Ogres
Flings
gobos
underwold

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>>44047162
>high elves
>top tier at low TV

>>44047162
http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/LRB6Stats.htm

>>44047162
For all you guys who don't know much about bloodbowl, this entire tier list is wrong

>>44047197
High elves are extremely good at moving the ball around? Why shouldn't they be considered top tier?
>>44047224
Do you know what the difference is between Necro in Lrb 5 and Necro in Lrb 6? Nothing at all.
So why does Necro suddenly perform that much better in plasmoids stats?

>>44047242
I am glad that we have an expert here. So why is it wrong?

>>44047414
They changed the prices on the players

>>44047414
high elves are the worst elf team

for tabletop, what team should i do.
i played lizzies last season, didnt enjoy it and dropped out, having to solely rely on skinks who exploded on contact with anything was painful.
what would be a good team if i want everyone to be somewhat durable but still be able to play the ball

>>44047414
because at low tv they are skilless? and extremely fragile, their high price prevents more than 2rr and getting an apoth is something you have to get later on

They are a high TV team

>>44047528
Orcs, you can have a thrower and four AG3 players that come with block and AV9. Add in the Black Orcs and you have a good team.

>>44047162
This list is completely wrong

>>44047481
they did that from lrb 4 to lrb 5
Lrb4
Zombies 30 000
Flesh Golems 120 000
Lrb 5
Zombies 40 000
Flesh Golems 110 000

>>44047561
getting an apo is what you get later on with most teams.
>>44047561
They have ag 4 they don't need a lot of skills. Also dark elves have at the beginning even less skills (no pass no catch only 4 block)
>>44047561
>and extremely fragile
They are av 8 except for the catcher. So not really that fragile. Wood Elves and Skaven are much more fragile.

>>44045836
I love him,but i am not a power gamer so it doesn't mean much.
>tfw grabbing your opponent behind your line of scrimmage,following with a goblin foul

>>44047568
Cool, any other teams similar to that or are orks my best bet?

>>44047648
8av and no block or dodge isn't going to save you agaisnt a shit load of amazons at low tv

>>44047683
There is always Dorfs and Chaos Dorfs if you want to be more durable than ball passing.

>>44047683
Orcs are strictly better versions of humans

Hey! LRB 5.0 edition here, I'm going to play in a one-month league with the following teams against me : Dark Elves and Lizardmen played by two veteran players, Dwarves, Humans and Nuurgle played by newbie players. I'm a huge noob myself but we play unfriendly games until the 10th of January, when the league really begins.

Two teams are making me drool : on the one hand, Chaos. I'm thinking about 4 Chaos Warriors, 7 Beastmen and 3 Rerolls, which would leave me no fans, cheerleaders or apothecary, but a really good starting roster. I've read that it has a great potential for improvement, but I don't know if a one-month league is enough, considering a coach is allowed to challenge one other coach each week, which means between four and eight games only. I'd play conservatively with the main intention on destroying the other teams to prevent them from XPing much and force forfeit while still going for touchdowns if possible (like against dwarves).

On the other hand, I like Skavens. They got the Gutter Runner and are pretty much speedsters. I wouldn't take a big guy either, and really focus on making my linemen and blitzers as resilient as possible, while playing on the high AG of GR and Throwers. The idea here would be to score as fast and as much as possible, and buying new players between every game.

So, two very different approaches, both sound interesting and fun to me, now considering the setup and all, what would YOU do?

>>44047793
Humans have pretty good mobility/speed and an objectively better big guy.

>>44047799
I would take the Skaven, Chaos need more time to grow. With Skaven I would just blitz open the enemy, run in my GRs and pass for easy touchdowns.

>>44047868
What about the Dark Elves? They're the most dangerous team in this league, and I just got buttraped by them (playing Khemri, though) from the moment they scored a TD. The dices weren't on my side but again, a good strategy doesn't take into account luck, does it?

Can I outrun them? I know I can't outmaneuver them and they can totally bash my squishy rat-things.

But if you think it's not enough time for Chaos, then I'll go for Skavens cause they're cool.

>>44047951
>Can I outrun them?
you have the fastest players in the game as skaven.
Yes you can outrun them their ma is 6 and 7
yours is 7 and 9

>>44047951
>They're the most dangerous team in this league
In the /tg/ league?
Thats Chaos dorfs all the way around

>>44047951
there is a golden rule in Blood Bowl never never think that you have won against skavens they can always come back.

>>44048017
I meant the league I'm in, with a bunch of people I play RPG with. They're : Dark Elves with a veteran Coach, Lizardmen with an experienced Coach, Dwarves and Nuurgle with newbie coaches (as noob as me) and Human with really bad newbie coach.

>>44048029
That's my style. I like unsure games.

>>44047951
Enjoy having 90% of your team dead against a bashy team

>>44048393
That's my fear yeah, considering there'll be Dwarves, Nuurgle and Lizardmen. Any advice on not-dying?

Humies V Lizzies, Soon. Get hyped.

>>44048452
roll 2+ dodges to get out of their tackle zones

elves are the king of short seasons

>>44048557
Game is on: https://fumbbl.com/ffblive.jnlp?spectate=796247

>>44036154
Humans vs Lizards happening now. Be there or be... not there.

>>44049118
>saurus picks up the ball

nuffle hates humans it seems

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I want to make a Bloodbowl pitch so bad
I'm thinking with hirst arts making either a "dungeon bowl" stadium with the gothic sets, or a sewer one with the scifi stuff. People have done a sweet egyptian one but that ain't for me.

>>44049630
>all the signs

>>44042223
Not saying they are the best but BoB are good because of how cheap they are. 80k for 4S and AV9 iS not bad. Also the cheap and tough muscle is what let's orcs be pretty good. Quality is okay but value is great

>>44049118
Man you really cursed your team with that name, you've had a functional death in nearly every game (just a mng int he other).

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>Tfw my friend keeps picking Try-hard lizard men and thinking he's skilled

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>>44051868
tfw people think lizardmen are op

>>44051942
excuse u

Are dark elves a bad choice for a new player?
the gaspez ones look sexy as hell and their player selection looks bretty gud

>>44051959
No, they're good, they're the most durable elf team and you get a good deal of skills and agi 4

However you might take awhile to learn what all that means.

Basically start with Four Blitzers, Six Linemen and a Runner and two rerolls.

Read the PDFs here if you're try hard >>44046773

You don't have starting access to sure hands, pass or catch, so be careful about when you try to move the ball.

>>44051997
so i shouldnt start with an assassin or witch?

>>44052014
For the safest start, neither. Go 4 Blitzers and Line elves.

>>44052014
There are starting variations which pick up one of those, but it ends up costing you a reroll and assassin and witch are both AV7, assassin has pretty much no skills, witch had dodge, jump up and frenzy.

And honestly, starting out, frenzy is a liability.

After you understand tackle zones, and how to frenzy safely then the witches become amazing, but they're hard to use, and easy to get injured/hurt/killed

In short, they're good positionals, they're amazing pieces, but in the hands of a new player they're more likely a liability which will frustrate you, cost you money and spp, and possibly make you quit bloodbowl.

Safe starts aren't bad anon, they're safe.

The first time I started I took two blitzers, two runners, an assassin and a witch elf. It was awful. I stuck the league out, and ended up with an ok team, but it was a grind.

The next season I started a team with 4 blitzers, 6 linemen and a runner. It was like night and day, much easier.

>Still have ancient undead and orc teams from way back when
>Last year got people interested in starting up teams and running a league
>This year everyone is gone and no new bloods are interested

I hate college towns.

>>44047951
The same strategies that work on most elf teams work well on Dark Elves, possibly more so. Key is positioning players so that if an elf needs to dodge out, he has to dodge out into a tackle zone, and using TZs to funnel elf movement in particular directions. This is more punishing for DE, because their linemen are only MA6 and can't reposition as easily.

>>44051959
It depends. Dark Elves are a strong choice out of the gate but they rely a lot more on lateral thinking, much like humans - you have to know when it's better to bash or dodge, and creative use of Frenzy chainpushes goes a long way.

Seeing these patterns are things that new players are not good at, but I suppose DE really teaches you this in a hurry, much like humans (albeit a little more forgiving at AG4). The other big mistake that new players tend to make is overcommitting to a big scrum. While DE are AV8 they're still only strength 3 and their players are very, very expensive, which can often leave you behind on players and often unable to afford replacements (because you get into a death spiral of constant loss due to not enough positionals, then not making enough money to replace them, etc.). That's partly why lots of coaches recommend Orcs or Humans instead - they can afford the inevitable losses.

how are chaos dorfs?

>>44052933
broken

>>44052952
Whos got a good guide to them, the plasmoids playbook has shit reviews

>>44052857
not that guy, but I'm trying to play a DE team in bb2, and the matchmaking system has me kind of confused. My DE team with a couple level 2 guys and one level 3 guy keeps getting matched up against chaos teams of all level 4+ guys with claws/mighty blow/block and it's getting really tedious. I've still managed to win most of them (7-1-2 so far, no players permanently injured or dead), but is there something that I can do to make my team better while keeping my team value down so I don't get match against those guys?

tl;dr It seems like rather than getting my TV should I have been focussing on getting a better team and minimizing my TV?

>>44053057
tell me about it I just got back from a "starter league" game on fumbol where the guy had 1400tv agaisnts my fresh team.
The guy was super nice, but I couldn't make any headway because every one of this catchers and their dog had blodge. Still happy I was able to make one touchdown from a lucky thrown and none of my players were injuried, which almost always happens on the first game. I even got enough for an apoth.

I'll get a win with DE one day

>>44053057

There is no matchmaking system worth noting.

The game will match you up against anyone if it can't find someone in your TV range in the first few seconds.

Min/maxing your TV doesn't have quite as much importance as it does in a different environment because odds are, you're going to be choking on inducements with most of the opponents you get matched against.

>>44053057
Also, as DE which three unfortunate boys do I leave on the LOS and is there any set up I can use to save them from being KO'd immediately by a bashy team? I think almost all of my tactical problems come from my first turn on defense.

>>44053212
I think it would be line elves who you give dodge, wrestle (or block) and side step

>>44053170
>matchmaking system worth noting
I take it from this that the game must have been created with seasons in mind? If it was balanced at all.
>inducements
Bloodweiser babes, a wizard and sheer stupid dodge luck are all that's keeing me in these games

How do I handle my balls when they're wet and sticky

>>44053057
No idea how the matchmaking in BB2 works, sorry. I much prefer FUMBBL or tabletop; much cheaper and more complete.

>>44053138
Smart use of inducements can go a long way if you're up against a Blodge heavy team. One of the big weakness of elf teams though is the lack of access to chainsaws - these are generally your go-to inducement against Blodge or high ST players, but elf teams need to make do without.

Aside from the wizard, taking a mercenary with tackle or Eldril can help (Hypno gaze is basically a free blitz).

>>44053245
The game is designed around a league format, not a perpetually open game mode.

Certain teams are very strong early (Amazon) while others are better with more development. Other teams are very strong but suffer badly when attrition happens (Lizardmen), whereas other teams deal well with injuries or don't have them happen (elves and Undead, for example).

Honestly I really can't recommend BB2 - you couldn't pay me to get it. Sure, it looks nice, but you're getting an incomplete game - there's only 8 out of 20+ rosters, they don't even have chainsaw star players, they lack the ability to buy skilled mercenaries, certain skills that should be optional for tactical reasons are not, and the "balance changes" are not an encouraging sign that Cyanide actually understands the game.

>>44054502
Eh their balance changes were so minuscule that they don't really matter, small buff to humans, small nerf to orcs.

From what we've seen neither were really necessary but who knows, maybe with the CE match data the changes make sense?

I know people on /tg/ have complained that orcs are too good.

>>44054502
I mean, I do recommend bb2 because there's actually more people playing bb2 than fumbbl so... yeah

I would like a better dice log but I'm surviving without it.

Friendly reminder:
Don't miss it today! 21:30 server time (9:30pm GMT+1)

Animeted Clothing vs Ashenvale Leaves

The long-awaited game between the two currently undefeated teams in the /tg/ league! Who will have what it takes to get the victory? Will we see more elf blood like the last few games, or will the dwarfs struggle the first time in their match history? Tune in today evening for the slaughter at CABAL TV on FUMBBL!

>>44053212
line elves with the lowest SPP, once your team starts getting built up you can put blodgers on the LOS

>>44054984
>I would like a better dice log but I'm surviving without it.
There is apparantly comming a big patch in the next few weeks.

>>44053565
If you are khemri just concede otherwise position yourself like you know you will fail the pick up and try to keep your opponent away for aa many turns as possible.it's not such a big deal on an agi 3 sure hands

>>44053565
force your opponent to do a fast td and then hope for changing weather.
Or JUST PICK UP THE BALL YOU GIT.

Skavens vs Dark Elves, what do?

>>44056296
Beat if you are skaven run if you are elf?(i am implying built blitzers and rat ogre)but it really depends on who removes the first important pieces i guess

>>44056397
Starting out rosters, and I don't have a rat-ogre.

>>44056410
Then i think this might be a hard match up,i guess standard anti elf stuff,try to make his low amount of rerolls count and rush those gutters

Quickslithers vs One Night Rack
status: happening
in 1,5 hours

>>44058024
It's on.

>>44056296
Ah, skaven versus dark elves

A timeless match up.

Especially at low TV it's really something special.

Skaven just try to play the elf game, on offense try to throw one or two blocks to open a hole and vomit gutters through it, you don't want to run it against delves.

On defense you have two options, try and force him to cage up and try and slow him down to deny the td, or ignore his receivers a little bit and try to force a quick pass and a quick td, then try and get a td in return.

If they've got any of the av7 positionals feel free to bash those. Ohterwise avoid the blitzers, try to throw stormvermin blocks onto line elves, score tds, get spps

>>44052952
Not broken.
>>44052981
There are a few ways to play them, but it is all pretty similar. Bulls are super fast people, Hobgoblins are AG3 players, Chaos Dwarves are your best murder / road block players.

playing dwarves against high elves

two of my players die

none of his die

thanks nuffle

>>44036154
Am I the only one who, in passing, thinks that horn kinda looks like a wang if your not paying attention?

>>44060143
yes you filthy perverted degenerate

>>44060143
Yes.

>>44036154
I killed this Helf last night with my skaven lineman, then another lineman killed one of his linemen in the same half.
>4 St Helf Star Player on the LoS
He should have seen it coming.

First for the worst feature in BB2 is how the fucking camera moves and snaps around non-stop

YOU THINK I CAN'T PUT IT WHERE I WANT IT TO BE? THANKS FOR FUCKING UP MY FRENZY BY MOVING THE CAMERA AS I CLICK THE SQUARE I WANTED TO GO TO YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT

>>44060362
This. It's so tedious when I'm trying to count squares for my next turn while the other player is moving, but it keeps snapping back any time they click something and fucking up my counting.

As long as the game keeps doing this I spend my offensive turn constantly clicking on random guys to move my opponent's camera while I think.

Alright guys, I don't think I'll ever get the bb2 achievements, like

Favour of the Golden college? TV 5000? How am I supposed to get that?

I tried chaos, I tried dwarves, but solo mode has aging which means your characters will just retire. There's no multiplayer lan leagues so I can't even cheese it by playing against myself. AND SELLING A LEVEL SEVEN PLAYER ON THE TRANSFER MARKET? NO ONLINE LEAGUE USES THIS BULLSHIT FEATURE.

I'll just cheat to get the transfer market one once I've got all the other achievements, but goddamn tv5000 is impossible

>>44060533
It's 1900 team value, silly. And 500k treasury. Not sure if that's possible with Cyanide's stupid bank rule unless it counts lifetime gold earned.

>>44060622
Oh wait, it's not any TV, just 500k treasury

you can just make a team with 12 players, a team with 0, start a multiplayer league and sell a player for 500 000 to yourself.

Well, there's one less achievement

Oh wait the bidding screen is bugged on pc, you can't bid on the player because you own the other team so when you go to bid on the player it switches to the other teams point of view.

NEVERMIND

>>44060889
just do a league with a friend and he concedes 5 times in a row to you.

>>44061034
None of my real friends play blood bowl because they're too stupid to understand the strategy

>>44061086
just do a league with a "friend" and he concedes 5 times in a row to you.

>>44054994
Game is on!
https://fumbbl.com/ffblive.jnlp?spectate=796546

>>44061277
Join the slaugther!

>>44061114
you can't play against yourself in multiplayer because this isn't bb1 where you can run lan leagues against yourself, this is bb2 baby

>>44061277

I'm at work at can't spectate, can a guy get a halftime update? I know it's 0 - 0 but I can't see what, if any, carnage has been inflicted.

Guys I have a question, what happens when a frenzy piece throws a multi-block?

>>44061887
you can't follow a multiblock

>>44061707
dead dancer, but 1 0 for the welfes, thanks to a good and lucky surf of the carrier, due to a mistaken stalling by crab

>>44061707
Games over, WElves take the win with a really luck roll of events in H2. One WD is dead, the lineman with block just got -AV.

anybody up for an out of the league game on fumbll?

also i have a problem, my 1140 tv humans team doesn't find any opponents, the problem doesn't persist if i change team, but seems to be present at every hour,is the team bugged or is matching a 1100 tv team just difficult?

>>44062072
you need to increase your search range with the filter option.

>>44062072

If it's an [L] team you won't find many opponents in Gamefinder because most [L] teams are well, in a league which doesn't allow outside play.

If you mean [R] and you can't find anyone, that is odd.

>>44062138
oh god, thank you very much

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>>44062171

Psst. Wanna play my Orcs?

>>44062005
>>44062018

Just how many War dancers will die before this league is satisfied?

>>44062263
All of them.

>>44062258
that's ok to me, you will be gentle right?

>>44062263
My first set of WD are already dead. May they RIP in Peace and set the pitch in heaven or whereever elfes go in glorious elf bullshit.

Guess at the end all of my WDs are dead or at least heavily injured. That's the price you pay for playing BB with Elves I guess.

>>44062280

I think I might get a firm word off the Mods for it. I mean, there's nothing bannable about it but it is a bit cheeky playing a team 800TV less.

>>44062263
stop buying them or this won't stop

>>44062331
ok then, but having started on BB2 that doesn't even sound strange to me,drowning in inducements is nice

>>44062356

Well if you want just go on the Gamefinder and give the Broken Tooth Blitzers a tick. Bugger it, I can't find a game either.

So for Orcs, I figure black orcs should all go block, guard, MB. But how should I build the blitzers? Figure one with MB, PO, Tackle. And I heard going tackle early is good too. Do you go tackle before guard on the other 3 or guard then tackle, then MB?

>>44062394

If you don't get doubles or +AG like my mad Orcs, I normally go Guard Tackle MB.

>>44062394
I like to go 2 and 2 with 2 killers and 2 support blitzers. MBPO on one set and guard tackle on the other.

>>44062394
If one gets doubles you give him jump up and make him the POMB killer. You want to make one blitzer your designated ball carrier because throwers sucks this big one. The rest you just want guard, MB, tackle, maybe one guy with frenzy, but try to keep them varied as in take those in different orders.

>>44062468
So you put sure hands and what else on the ball orc?

>>44062707
Just that to pick up the ball. Then you build him normally but keep in mind he's not going to be block as much while carrying the ball. You probably don't even need it if you're lucky enough to get +agi on someone.

>Mauled raping these humans

>>44062735

If he's in an environment with wrestling ball strippers, Sure Hands is still a good investment. Hell if you want to get crazy, an AG+ blitzer can be used as a receiving threat instead of giving it Sure Hands. Almost no one expects Orcs to pass, but you can't ignore an AG4 piece in your backfield.

first drive with skavens vs necros has been pretty rough 3 people down for second one, but no touchdown from him.right at the start of the second drive i leave a hole in the screen and lose the ball,oh well

>>44062797
not happening,since i still didn't find him

>>44063477

Anon probably means this.

https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&id=3753046

CAS on his Ogre second turn, and it just went downhill from there for him. He did get a 2 turn TD to equalise at the start of the second half, but that just gave me the ball for 6 more turns.

The Black Orc with the 2 CAS just got +ST too. I think these guys might be getting put in the next [R]anked tournament, they are pretty beastly. Only had four injuries/deaths so far, all to throwaway linemen.

>>44063613
oh well rather him than me,cheers for the win

So we did a who is the best piece at each position. But I would like to go with, who is the best piece to TV ratio for each position? Ie, which piece give you the most bang for your buck.

To start the Bretonians have the most valuable linemen. At 40K they give you a legit 6 move 3 strength piece with fend. Want an extra dude on the bench? It will only cost you 2 skills. It isn't even enough for babes. Wrestle-fend, Dirty players, and kickers are also only 60K a piece.

i am looking at the halfs vs ogres game on fumbbl right now, the halfling has an agi4 ma6 sprint surefeet half which he just used to make two one turn touchdowns, they are 2 1 for the half at the end of the first drive, best game i ever witnessed

>>44064583
goblins, for only 40k they give you a neverending package of fun and fouls,no other unit is such a good bargain,i wonder why so few orks use 4 goblins

>>44064980
The bret linemen are better at fouling though, since they get DP on normals

>>44065036
but goblins are much more fun and much more menacing with their ability to get everywhere,they are very different, goblins are better at the start bret linemen are infinitely better later,but i just love goblins and stunties in general

>>44064583
What about Zombies or Skeletons?

>>44065149
I would say Underworld goblins might be better than Bret linemen, mutations on singles makes them pretty annoying.

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What should I get next level up?

>>44067005
Leader or Block.

>>44067005
Hail Mary

Do line Orcs need any level ups or do you just give them DP and cut them if they level up again?

>>44067075
You can never go wrong with having a kick player.

>>44060127
I've had a lone halfling kill my +str Mino back when I thought the cool factor made them worth it

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>yfw a clawpomb coach bitches about fouling

Thanks for the Inducement advice /tg/ Fresh Lizards V 1350 DE ended in a tie even after he first turn injured one of my Saurus with a 1 die both down.
I ended u taking Silbil and a reroll.


Next game is against 1400 Undead. I'm still at 980, If I don't buy an APO I'll have 400k Inducements. I think that I might though. He's got MB on several pieces other than his mummies.

Slibli, a reroll to bring me to 3 again and a APO?
Slibli and a Wizard?

>>44067660
mino isn't bad, just not optimal

>>44067660
dude if a cow gets a single doubles you can kick some major ass

>>44069182
block on doubles?

>>44069210
aye, wild animal isnt too bad and reducing a turn over to 1/36 is bretty gud

>>44069225
That 3% chance comes up a lot though, frenzy frenzy

>>44069256
yes but the odds of you knocking someone to the ground with claws and mighty blow seem far greater

>>44042008
Skaven have best runners

Vampires have worst linemen

>>44069225
I, like cknoor, think wild animal is the best negative trait because you don't lose your tackle zones.

Really stupid is clearly the worst.

Boneheaded isn't too bad (statistically it is better than wild animal) but I like my tackle zones

We have Dead Doornails vs. Red Fang Rockets taking place at 20:00 server time today, so don't miss it!

>>44068393
You want the APO. You could get Slibli and a re-roll or Slibli and another APO, since that let's you be pretty aggressive with using them.

>>44046897
>How are Chaos dorfs?
they are really easy to play and reliable

Minos suck not only does wild animal waste your blitz but a mino with block is 190k TV for a team like chaos with no skills that equates to almost 10 single skills. You could upgrade 2 guys to block, tackle, clawpomb for the TV of a mino.

Or if you are in league play, a mino will cost you a wizard.

>holy shit that orc team has a lot of TV on me, looks like a hard match
>lineman with block and wrestle
>3 spares
>random +AV
>no skills on important players
Well, thanks for the star player, dude.

>>44073105
>blood bowl 2 naf league.gif

What do I do if my Dirty Player guy gets his second lvl and it's not Sneaky Git? I don't want him to get more valuable than that since he's going to be banned most of the game anyway.

>>44073893
I would give him wrestle and sac him as soon as i get the money or another dp,or you might even give him kick too and hope you defend first

>>44073893
Wrestle or block so he's somewhat useful.

what does clawpomb means?

>>44074176
It means your opponent wants to relieve you of all that excessive team value.

>>44074176
The triple skill set of Claw Might Blow and Piling On. Most common on Chaos teams that just want to kill eveything.

>>44074176
Claw piling on and mighty blow. Claw makes all armor break on a 7 or 8 I don't remember which. But it is used to negate high armor like dorfs, lizard men, or orcs. Mighty blow gives you a +1 on either the armor break roll or the injury roll and piling on let's you reroll armor break or injury rolls at the expense of putting your player prone.

Basically anyone who has access to strength takes mighty blow and has at least one piling on piece. What people bitch about are people who play chaos who instead of making 1 or 2 removal pieces they make 11. Honestly it is a silly thing to cry about because a you can foul anyone who uses piling on and b. Everyone who has strength access takes mighty blow anyway. Nearly every strength 4 piece for anyone is block, guard, mighty blow. Nearly anyone who has a Blitzer pit's mighty blow on all their blitzes and piling on on at least 1 piece

How do I get a competitive nurgle team in a league or tournament setting? Are they just a team that can only compete after 50 games with 1800 tv?

>>44074491
You don't unless not winning much doesn't bother you.

>>44074334
Claw makes all armor to be 7 which means it breaks on an 8 Mighty Blow adds a +1 to that roll so it breaks on a 7 which is the most common roll you get with 2 dice (58% to break armor). Piling on allows you to reroll the injury roll and even if you used Mighty Blow to break the armor to apply it on the injury roll which gives you a casualty on a +9 instead of +10 and a K.o on a +7. So the probability to remove any player with an armor that is 7 or more from the pitch is 33%

>>44074491
patience. You go for the save plays and prioritize team developement over winning. So you don't try those 2 gfi to knock down that ball carrier.

>>44075245
Shit I didn't realize piling on was so good. I usually skip it because putting your player prone seems like a waste

>>44075305

Sounds like you've never taken Diving Tackle either, then.

>>44075354
I dont play teams with ag access

>>44075454
Diving Tackle is best on Blockers like Black Orcs or Chaos Warrior. Since opponents want to avoid haveing their players stand next to them.

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>>44070418

Small delay in the starting time for today's game, we will now be starting at 22:00 server time.

1 hour delay for unexpected complications, and 1 hour to quell the audience rioting over the delay.

>>44075636
>wanting your chaos warror/black orc on the ground.
>putting diving tackle on a player that needs block,guard,mighty blown

Seems like a 5th or 6th skill after like claw and tackle

>>44076207
usually when you use diving tackle the opponent gets a turnover.

>>44076207

>use diving tackle on fragile elf
>both player and elf go down, causes turnover
>it's now your turn, you now have a player standing next to a downed player

Time for a foul! If they were trying to dodge them free against a player with Diving Tackle, they're an important piece.

>>44076383
>>44076276
You also need tackle to remove dodge in that case and at that point do you want to ditch block, guard, mb, or claw if you are chaos or nurgle? You are talking about pieces need at least 2 skills to be used in the first place. I'd understand it on a goat or a Blitzer but it seems hard to fit in on a 4st piece

Do you take wrestle or block on a human catcher? I only plan to use one catcher and I have a very pass heavy thrower as well as a +movement blitzer.

My plan is block/wrestle >tackle>diving tackle>side step but idk of wrestle or block would be better

>>44076862
wrestle is better if he is the ball retreiver. If he is not the ball retreiver but instead the receiver than block

>>44077239
Typically I try to either have my thrower stand in my half and Chuck it up field or I cage up my thrower and have blitzers and I guess the catcher leak out so I have outlet routes. So he will be serving as a receiver but rarely will he take a hit while holding the ball. Most likely he will be a quick strike option.

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the IRC bot lives folks

Right now he announces when /tg/ league tournament matches start and gives a link to spectate, furthermore, if you want your IRC client to blink or something without actively filtering the bot, I've added the option to make him PM you when matches start with the link, to do so send him a PM saying "desu sign me up". If at any point you don't want to be sent a PM anymore, PM him saying "desu fuck you" and you'll be removed from the list of people to PM.

There are 2 problems though, number 1 is that I don't have a dedicated server nor am I able to leave the computer on 24/7 so I can't have the bot up all day, it should be up for most of the day though. The other problem is the code is pretty messy but it should work within these very basic premises and I'll continue to improve it

reminder to join the IRC at the server irc.fumbbl.com/6667, channel #tg

>>44077622
okay I forgot about the filter on 4chins, the commands are

"t b h sign me up"
"t b h fuck you"

no spaces between the 'to be honest' acronym

>>44077670
why senpai

>>44077749
?

>>44077622
>>44077670
I've also forgotten to mention the bot's name, he's "bloodbot" on the IRC

Why is the troll considered such a shitty piece? He is only 110K, slightly more than most blockers and a lot more durable than a mino.

>>44078608
Orcs are better without him and he has the worst big-guy trait in the game

>>44078608
He's really fucking stupid
Doesn't get block
Orcs already get enough bash with african orcs and he's a lot of gold for being only 1 str better
They're good for goblins because they need that strength
Warpstone troll is great

So my Wood Elf Catcher just rolled double 10s.

Do I take the MV or is there a doubles skill on him that's really worth it?

>>44079328
nerves of steel

>>44079328
+MA

>>44079328
Mighty blow and guard are both great,but having a gutter runner is too.

For those of you who missed out, Dead Doornails vs. The Red Rockets was a real brawl, with a special appearance by Hack Enslash, ending with half the players missing from the pitch and a 2 - 0 victory for the Dead Doornails!

So I think I saw on here people bitching about how it was impossible to watch Pflax play blood bowl because he is a disgusting bald faggot who vapes constantly into the mic. On a yogscast live stream they called him out for that bullshit.

I just found out about resurrection-style tournaments

Is that the most retarded thing ever?

>>44071819
>they are really easy to play and reliable
will I be called a scrub for playing them?

>>44081151
Nah they're not actually top tier, /tg/ are just bloodbowl babies

>>44081160
I can personally understand their distain for lizards being way too quick, especially for their strength.

Any tips to counter lizards?

>>44081216
Do your best to get the skinks off the pitch. Also make sure your screen game is on point.

>>44081216
have some tackle pieces

>>44080993
Not really - they're more for if you want to do a traditional style boardgame or miniatures game where everything goes back in the box afterward - it's no different from say, playing a 40k game with a set list.

They also test coach skill on a more purely tactical level, since you don't have to worry about casualties and preserving players for future rounds (just for the duration of the game). Sure, teams that normally lack endurance like elves benefit, but so do bash teams which are often comparatively lower on SPP, so it all evens out.

>>44081216
On the pitch, keep in mind that -2d against with block is actually fairly safe if all you need is a push.

On defence, plan around pushing the Saurii out of the way to take shots at skinks. Marking lizardmen is fairly important, and you want to position your players so that skinks need to keep on making dodge rolls. They ignore overlapping tackle zones, but repeated dodges are still risky at AG3, even if they do have a dodge reroll.

Screening is generally not very helpful - Lizardmen are fast and strong enough to punch a hole in the screen and then rush through.

Lizardmen are definitely one of the teams that suffers in terms of long-term attrition. A leveled Saurus is very difficult to replace, and Skinks often do not survive long enough to get a lot of useful skills.

>Lizards vs Humans
>His Krox knocks my ogre the fuck out. Fractured Skull, -1AV. Apoth result: dead. Guess what I chose?
>manage to get it to 2-1, at least I will win this match
>Skink manages to leap, four dodge rolls, two GFI and gets the score.

Kill me. Also, my ogre is level 3 with Guard and Stand Firm. Is this injury really worth sacking him over?

>>44081737
Yeah,people already advice you sack high level no block ogres,take your time,as soon as you can afford it sack him.

>>44081607
1/3 chance of a skull happening
>safe

>>44081545
>>44081545
Yea but it takes the blood out of blood bowl and fucks over teams like chaos

Seems like dorfs and amazons would be op.

>>44081737
Pretty much. If a big guy doesn't roll doubles by their third level you cut them

>>44081737
I bet you chose dead so you don't have to cut him

oops my friend wanted me to shitpost on /v/ so I obliged him, now I fucked up my name

>>44081737
There was one time I managed to knock all the other guys skinks out of the game. It was awesome I was humans and my thrower knocked 2 skinks out including me rolling a both down defender stumble, choosing the both down even though I had no block on my thrower. He gets killed, apo him so he comes back as no casualty and when he comes back into the game he kills another fucking skink.

and that is how my thrower got his first level up.

>>44082198
My poor skinks.
Thats why I've got those mad saurus ball handling skills.