MTG: Modern General

Is the restore balance deck actually good or is it just a meme deck?

>>44002589
2cmc with deathtouch to block tarmogoyfs etc. shitheads that can get rid off stuff like ugin, liliana or wurmcoil!? THE BEST SHIT EVER!
(no, but honestly some aristocrat list might be able to play her?)

Why the fuck can't they reprint aether vial. I'm honestly not getting into this shit format, before that uncommon piece of crap doesn't drop under 20$. Holy shit serum visions are at least 20$ a set?! Are you fucking insane.

Btw, why haven't abzan been on top8 lately? What is keeping it at bay?

>>44002726
100% meme

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>>44002726

meme

fooled around with it, you might trick people the first game, but once they know what your deck is doing they will just brick lands / creatures in their hands until you cascade off.

>>44002882
Then you still win because they aren't playing anything?

>>44002882
>be twin
>opponent on restore balance
>they cascade off
>play remand on balance
>restore balance guy flips table

>>44002967

don't know what list you would play, but for me my opponents would stay at 2/3 lands swinging at me with a guide/goyf/ooze/geist every turn while I was fucking with boarderposts/suspend counters.

>people want top unbanned in modern
>top is about to be banned in legacy

>>44003241
This again. Top isn't going anywhere in legacy.

>>44003278
You're right, top is going nowhere.

But Terminus is

Ive been playing this deck for a while and its been really fun

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/death-and-hate-bears/

It seems to have a lot of good match ups thoughts?

>>44003311
Reminder, you could play creatures in legacy before Terminus was printed.

http://tcdecks.net/metagame.php?format=Legacy%20Archive&fecha=2012-2

>>44002790
right now jund does everything abzan does but better

>>44002589
I think she's quite good. 2/3 with deathtouch for 2 mana is already way above the curve, but she also has abilities on top of that? Feels like Deathrite Shaman all over again.

>>44003659
to be fair the only things junk plays that aren't above the curve are finks and scooze, and finks has persist

>>44003659
>Feels like Deathrite Shaman all over again.
You just went full retard.

>>44003356
RIP Maverick

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I play daily with a group of 4-7 guys. We just build decks and have fun. I was wondering if anyone could help me improve this deck.
http://www.mtgfanatic.com/decks/viewdeck.aspx?id=175548&page=1&pagesize=25
Any feedback would be great.

>Stoneforge Mystic okay for modern because we have high quality hate for it like Kologhan's Command and Shadow of Doubt to keep it in check!

>>44003897
Get rid of Terminus and you can play Maverick without getting laughed at.

>>44003659
Its almost the opposite of deathrite. Deathrite does 2 really fucking useful things, 1 kind of useful thing, eats 1/1s, is maindeck grave hate and costs 1 mana of either of two colors and isn't legendary

This does 1 not very useful thing, costs two mana in two colors, is legendary, and will generally trade with other deck's twodrops
Also it dies to bolt, which is a lot more significant in a 2drop that you want to use in combat than a 1drop that generates value every turn its on the board

If there's a deck out there that wants a better disciple of griselbrand there you go, but that's really all she is.

>>44003945
I always get excited when I see someone brave enough to play Maverick in legacy. I give the lad a nod and tell him "You're fighting the good fight mate".

>>44003920
>Implying the hate for affinity and all the main deck Kommands running around aren't enough to make stoneblade a mediocre esper midrange deck

>>44004197
>Stoneforge Mystic
>Esper
>Not Junkblade
you fucked up anon

>>44002726
I played against it with tron. I was able to turn 3 karn and he couldn't deal with it at all. The second game he balaced me twice and both times I was able to recover. I'm sure it didn't hurt that I knew exactly what he was playing the moment he dropped a a border post.

Seems like a one trick pony and trick isn't all that impressive.

>>44002726
Its a 100 percent meme deck. Sometimes you'll catch someone by surprise but its honestly not worth building.

how much of a meme is bogles?

>>44004461
Not really a meme deck. Its decently competitive and can really blow some decks right out of the water

>>44004285
Maybe, also sounds like your opponent didn't pilot it well

>>44003311
>>44003241
Lol, no. Cry more elves-players.

Will SFM be unbanned, bros?

>>44004668
No, Wizards are just in the slow process of turning legacy D&T into a deck that contains 75 promos.

>>44004645
>played Bant Counter-top before Terminus got printed
>Miracles is strictly better
>Can't ever play Bant counter-top ever again unless terminus gets axed
>tfw your days of beating people down with a Goyf while Counterbalance wrecks people are over

What are some ways a R/W aggro deck can get some card draw?

Are there any budget alternatives for the cards in Lantern Control? I'm thinking:

4x City of Brass : 4x Glimmervoid
2x Sulfurous Springs : 2x Blackcleave Cliffs
4x Mana Confluence : 4x Mox Opal (shitty, I know, but until it gets reprinted $35 each is rough)

Any tips for a replacement for Ensnaring Bridge?

>>44004815
If that Goyf was a Counterspell, your board could be more stable. The clock is pointless.

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>>44005310
unfortunately drawing cards isn't in red or white's slice of the color pie; however, you can use what they excel at- attacking hard and fast! -to crush your opponents before things like card advantage are worth worrying about!
:^)

>>44005361
You can't replace Ensnaring Bridge. Its too good.

>>44005377
anon some people just like playing aggro-control so they can get something to eat before the next round

>>44005361
>>Any tips for a replacement for Ensnaring Bridge?
You can't, that's the sole reason the deck kinda maybe sometimes works. The rest of the post is equally retarded as that question, as if it isn't obvious enough to you.

>>44005381
You joke, but that's how those colours deal with the problem.

>>44005310
Mentor of the Meek
Magmatic Insight (in case of mana flood, draw cards)
super secret tech: Tezzeret's Gambit

Is Infernal Tutor good in Lantern?

>>44005430
no, you need to get your engine online before you go hellbent

>>44004257
>Not wanting to play Esper Charm
No, anon, YOU fucked up

>>44005310
draw cards are generally too expensive for aggro decks to play (which is why treasure cruise was nuts)

you want draw spells to grind people out, which is not what aggro decks generally want to be doing (of course, some aggro decks have boarded into a midrange deck, so card advantage could be a thing with that setup before).

If you're running out of gas before killing someone, then your threats aren't efficient enough to get the job done, and drawing more cards won't remedy that, you'd just be putting a bandage on your problem.

>>44005423
So you are saying that RW is forced to go aggro and end the game fast due to inherit lack of card advantage of said colors? Amazing way to design the game, every red card ever going "OUGA BOUGA I SMASH U N KILL U FAST" and discouraging playstyles other than stupid braindead aggro is always my favorite part of the color pie.

>>44005641
Well, Land Tax + Scroll Rack was a thing in white for a while, so its not literally impossible for white heavy decks to grind people out

However, Wizards doesn't like red midrange decks for some weird reason.

>>44005310
Faithless looting
Outpost siege
Tormenting voice

>>44005641
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/developing-legacy/181916-mighty-quinn
Mighty Quinn is pretty decent for grinding people out. Old deck though.

>>44005641
Slow playstyles aren't discouraged though. You just don't find them in red. What you're suggesting undermines the game even having different colours in the first place.

Semi-related, does anyone know why the url that cockatrice pulls card info from is gone?

>>44005736
There's a difference between giving red a divination on the cheap, and giving red the ability to grind people out.

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>>44005641
Skred is slow and works.

>>44005795
Skred is my favorite meme deck.

>>44005454
I fucked up alright, fucked up your mum

>>44005821
As it should be. Good taste anon

>>44005782
Lavamancer? Pyromancer? Abbot? Faithless Looting? How do these cards not generate value in some sense? I don't even understand why you'd want to grind out with red anyway. Just like, kill your opponent. That's what red does. Don't complain about playing the damage colour and not being able to draw cards. GB has the best value anyway so you're fighting a losing battle. Trying to grind someone out with burn spells is stupid in the face of Finks/Scooze/VAULT OF THE ARCHANGEL.

>>44005926
>Faithless Looting

its like I'm talking to someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

>>44005641
red is literally the color of chaos and "OUGA BOUGA I SMASH U", how fukcing new are you?

>>44005971
The initial casting not so much, but flashing it back turns 2 potentially dead cards in your hand into new cards. See, you're complaining about red needing different angles of value, then don't even understand them all yourself.

>>44005795
I saw that in a previous thread;it looks rather fun. what is the SB?

>>44006004
Faithless looting, including flashback is 3R, draw 4, discard 4, so no, you're not getting any value from it. Its just a really bad card filterer.

There are literally other cards that cost total 4 mana and can actually net you more cards than you spent for it.

>>44006115
Fine, Dangerous Wager, what the fuck ever, point is red doesn't do this shit.

>>44006159
>every red deck has to be a dumb burn deck for 3 year olds

>>44003356
Reminder: you still can

>>44006242
>playing creatures in legacy not named Delver of Memes

that's a good joke m8

>>44006159
I think the problem is that every other color can work towards control or aggro. Blue is much better at aggro than red is at control.

>>44006323
Wizards has been trying to make blue a more aggressive and proactive color in recent sets

>>44006311
Leave the legacy discussion to the people that actually play the format please

>>44006323
White doesn't get card draw either, and they do control.

>>44006380
I agree, you should go back to the standard thread while the grown ups talk about real magic.

>>44005421
>>44005389
alright, I'll get the Bridges. Considering the Opals as well.

What's wrong with replacing Glimmervoid with City of Brass and Blackcleave Cliffs with Sulfurous Springs? Taking damage off your mana base isn't the biggest deal in modern.

>>44006448
>Taking damage off your mana base isn't the biggest deal in modern.
It is for you. Your worse matchup is burn, and dealing 3-4-5ish damage to yourself each game loses you games hard.

>>44006323
Mono red aggro is usually tier 1-1.5. Mono blue aggro is not. Mono red control would lack answers to non creature permenants, and the removal is all damage based. You could brew it, but it would have a bunch of weaknesses

>>44006448
>Taking damage off your mana base isn't the biggest deal in modern.
It's THE biggest deal, it's why the format is so aggro friendly, it's why burn is tier1, it's why your meme deck is dead against burn. Just stop posting before you say anything even more retarded, which will be quite the achievement at this point.

>>44006426
Last legacy open: junk won. Elves in the top 8. Before that shardless bug and alluren in the top 8. Death and taxes represented in top 16.

>>44006519
why are you so angry at him? he may be playing a cancer deck, but if hes searching for budget replacements 1 damage isnt really a big deal, thats just the thing you have to do if you dont want to spend that much.

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>>44006448
>Taking damage off your mana base isn't the biggest deal in modern.

>>44006586
Infect too. Creature based aggro/midrange strategies are very well represented in legacy. "Legacy is all miracles and combo decks" is the cry of the person who has never actually played in a legacy event.

>>44002726
I've been testing it a bunch and I think it would be fine in my meta. Throwing it together since it's not terrible and I like to change things up.

http://magiccards.info/query?q=Ci%3Ar+O%3A%22Exile+the+top%22+o%3A%22you+may%22+o%3A%22turn+&v=card&s=cmc
Mono-red actually gets some pretty efficient card advantage. Also gets the cheapest sweepers for control purposes. There have been heaps of successful red decks that play a midrange/control game; there aren't really that many game-ending enchantments it can't deal with, and worst comes to worst you can splash white for wear/tear.

>>44006686
Or green for ancient grudge, even.

>>44003919
>http://www.mtgfanatic.com/decks/viewdeck.aspx?id=175548&page=1&pagesize=25
Not modern.

This is a modern thread.

>>44006708
Or green and black for Abrupt Decay.

>>44003356
>http://tcdecks.net/metagame.php?format=Legacy%20Archive&fecha=2012-2


UGR Faeries?

>>44004701
That's sad, I like my weaboo sfm a lot more then this promo.

>>44006519
>it's why your meme deck is dead against burn
Kek, a resolved needle on a fetch land/extraction on bolt/Sun Droplet in g2/3 is game on the spot since no one plays Leyline of Punishment.

>>44006748
>UGR
Holy shit this upsets me more than it should. Call it Rug, Ceta, or Temur.

>>44006586
>4 color loam
>junk

yes, you clearly pay attention to legacy and you're totally not a retard

>>44006748
I imagine its spellstutter sprite, goyf, bolt, plus blue goodstuff

>>44006828
I'm pretty sure extraction on bolt is duress most of the time and worse the rest of the time. The whole point of burn is that most of its cards say the same thing. Unless you're paying life for it for some reason.

>>44006504
>your worst matchup becomes worse
>this is a big deal for some reason

>>44006828
>Kek, a resolved needle on a fetch land/extraction on bolt/Sun Droplet in g2/3 is game on the spot
None of these are true. Stop shitposting.

>>44006960
Yes, yes it is. Its better to be 50/50 with the field instead of making your worse matchups worse and not improving your good matchups.

>>44006992
if i could afford the blackcleave cliffs and the glimmervoids i'd get them, but i'm on a budget. if i'm going to be suboptimal i'd rather lose percentage points in the bad matchups than the good ones

>>44007053
Yeah, I can see why you'd do it, and if you are going to skimp its probably best to skimp there for now.

>>44007053
Holy fuck when did that spike happen? I picked up my cliffs at like $3 and glimmers at $7.

>>44007133
iirc it was when neither got reprinted in mm15

which by the way, why the fuck would you not put glimmervoid in mm15 if you were going to keep affinity as the U/W draft archetype

>>44006895
Oh my god that minor detail completely invalidated my point!

>>44007200
yes

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A friend and I both want to start playing MTG.

However, we both know that it can quickly become a pay to win money sink.

My question is, would a starter deck and say 5 boosters be enough to build a reasonably tight deck? By which I mean a deck that supports itself in a well defined playstyle.

We were thinking of making that the limit of our investment for each of us, and we'll be trading cards with each other so we can each get a deck more like we want.

We'll only ever be playing against each other, we just want to do it for fun.

All this is just to say I don't care what you think is a good deck in terms of high level tournament play.

Neither of us know enough about the game to be concerned with specific optimizations, or care enough to spend 5 dollars on a single card.

So to reiterate, what would you recommend as a good beginners "Starter Package" for people who want to keep the cost of investment into the game as low as possible?

>>44005641
Imperial Painter

>>44008082
Before you get roasted, this is a thread for the "modern" part of MTG. It's a format where you play with cards from 2003 and forward except some banned cards. You are better off asking in the other MTG thread.

>>44008082
Nope. Event decks are better, especially the old mono red one from scars of mirrodin, or the Infect one, albeit they are hard to find now. Just play pauper or something with your Friends, because there really isn't a cheap competitive modern deck out there.

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>>44008082
>Neither of us know enough about the game to be concerned with specific optimizations, or care enough to spend 5 dollars on a single card.

>>44008194
I didn't see another MTG thread, I'll look again

I don't think we're picky between Modern or OG, are there major rules differences?

>>44008222
>there really isn't a cheap competitive modern deck

Good thing I wasn't looking for a competitive deck

>>44008267
>Good thing I wasn't looking for a competitive deck

In a modern thread, there's an assumption you're going to be talking about competitive stuff, otherwise you'd be playing casual.

>>44008305
Yes, which is why I used more words than I thought I needed to explain that I WAS looking to play casual, not competitive, because I know exactly what MTG players are like

>>44008331
Yeah but modern IS a competitive format, so therefore you are in the wrong thread

>>44008390
I already posted in the other one, now I know to steer clear.

>>44008390
Thanks pal.

>>44008331
Also I suggested pauper too ya dip.

>>44008390

>you can't play noncompetitive modern, tier 1 or tier home only.

You don't even know how many lgs out there have people playing joke-tier decks at their modern events.

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From last thread, help make delver great again
19 lands. No snapcasters, 4 cards remaining, cards on the right are possible filler. What do?
Also more mana clash/less dispel or are those ok?

>>44008556
***mana leak holy fuck my brain
Also what are your thoughts on bolt #5 aka burst shitning?

>>44008556
>Delver
>Condescend

You do know you'll never have the mana to actually counter something, right?

>>44008607
To be fair on the faggot, Condescend for 0 is actually an acceptable play.

>>44008607
It's a greedy card I'll admit, mostly a "counter spell unless they pay 1" but not always. I actually really like it, it's not as versatile but it makes big plays

>>44008556
Play countercat.

>>44008638
Condescend is only good in decks that can shit out mana like no one's business, ie blue tron

Delver decks want as little mana as possible. They're build to be able to function on literally 1-2 mana.

>>44008556
Stick in a singleton Psionic Blast for memes (plus the fact that it's not an awful singleton for Delver)

>>44008731
I would love to justify the green splash but I got no goyfs

and what would you replace condescend with? Right now it's my manaleak #3.5

>>44008556
Get rid of burst lightning and magmatic insight, run more serum visions, get snapacasters get rid of condesend and get a better mana base. Its going to be incredibly tough to flip delver that way

>>44008893
4 Serums are in, the 5 cards on the right are my replacement options until I get snapcasters

>>44008946
Okay, didn't see them. You might want to consider Remand as well, super good card for a tempo based deck like yourself.

>>44008946
I'd be willing to try out Frost Walker 2bh family. A 2 mana 4 power dude is a pretty big smack, and it dying on target is largely irrelevant since it's Bolt they'll be targeting it with anyway. When my Tarns arrive I'll probably put together a Delver list and try it out. Delver, Walker, Swiftspear, and Snaps as my creatures.

>>44008893
Also how many lands you think?
Running 19 but with steamvents and tarns could I get away with 18? Would I want to?
And what to i replace the condescend with.
>>44008863
Blue char you so cray

>>44009015
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/deck-guide-modern-ur-delver/
Check out this list, its pretty freakin good

>>44008863
I love timespiral cards, they're always those "this is in modern??" kind of cards.
Unstable mutation is personal meme favorite.

>>44009012
He's so clutch, I have trouble dealing with 4 toughtness creatures.
It's like, I want that 4 damage sorc but I don't like that it can't target players, and I like the options that burst lightning has but I hate that it can't deal with goyfs.
I wish there was a 2 mana "4 to target creature or 2 to target player"
Guess psionic blast is screaming "pick me anon!" but I'm sorry char, not today... my friends all play burn.

>>44009084
I was just looking at thay article wtf senpai
K I'm sticking with 19 lands
The guy makes a good point about swiftspears, same reason I didn't like abbots (counterspells dont synergyze well)
Could always get rid of the counters, keep the cantrips, and go full temur aggro with goyfs and abbots, but I'm fixated on izzet colours and I like the unorthodoxy of counters in an aggro deck. Although monks suffer from that I think I'll end up keeping em, the cantrips are so nice and they're my rdw waifu.

I really like the idea of Dismember, it hurts so much but I find I need answers to big creatures and the -5 power makes me consider going grixis. Not stoked on the phyrexian mana tho, since 90% of the games I play vs are burn. Same reason I was against the vapor snags and remand (although remand is still so fucking good but I'd rather manaleak the lavaspikes)
Should I mainboard a combust/roast instead? I could take out that condescend, or even a dispel or a probe

>>44009524
Tailor your deck to your meta. If you have lots of burn, don't run dismember. Run Roast instead. Take out the Condesend if you want to run dismember with it

>>44008863
Plus, it pitches to Disrupting Shoal!

>>44009524
Play disrupting shoal with 22 or more total blue cards.

A third color would really help your burn matchups. You get fatties in green or black and lifelink/gain in white. If getting the white or black stuff will be significantly expensive, don't, and save up for goyfs. They are worth it.

>>44010611
Grixis Delver is probably the best one, although its matchup against burn is embarrassing.
And yeah what this guy said, goyfs are incredibly worth it. Its dirty how good they are

>>44010611
>>44010632
I played grixis delver and wanted to claw my eyes out with how bad the gameplan was, so I switched to rug and never looked back. The shoal/bob build looks okay in a combo heavy meta, but you get btfo by pyroclasm.

Another note on Goyfs: If I had 0 goyfs and 0 Snapcasters, I would buy the goyfs first. Snaps aren't needed in many of the better delver builds.

>>44010743
Idunno, if you want to play more than delver I think Snapcasters are the better choice right now. They're cheaper than they were a few months ago and you can diversify yourself better than you could with Goyf

How do i do espera control? Are narset, and big elspeth good on it? Should i just go jeskai? Will you greentext your answers?

>>44010869
Esper*

>>44010869
Play blue white.

>40 player tournament
>come in 9th

Fucking tiebreakers. My fault though, punted match 2 harder than i've ever punted anything.

>>44010967
What were you on?

>>44010869
Wait till white gets better. And no Narset and Belspeth are pretty bad imo. Belspeth does fuck Jund up though

>>44008593
burst lightning isn't too bad but forked bolt is better in terms of making your matchups even across the board (Infect, Lingering Memes, Elves, Coco)

>>44010801
Off the top of my head:
With snap: Twin, Scapeshift, grixis
Goyf: Delver, jund, zoo

So it's about even, I think.

>>44011115
You might be right. Although I haven't actually seen a delver list that runs goyfs, you have one I could see?
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern
This places Snaps placed just 2% higher played than Tarmogoyf, so I think it is about even.

>>44011062
Grishoalbrand.

Beat that g/r scapeshift ramp thing, burn, g/r tron, and grishoalbrand.

Punted to my first burn matchup and couldn't get anything going against u tron. Usually that's a good matchup, but couldn't do anything about it.

Why is [spoiler/]white bad?

>>44011176
http://modernnexus.com/author/jordan-boisvert/

This guy brews a lot of delver decks, but has only won one larger event.

Regarding Grixis delver again: I trust my experience with grixis/non grixis delver lists, and this writer's reasoning/experience supports it.

I think it's a case of budget, exposure, and resistance to test new things that keeps grixis delver on top of the other builds in terms of meta %. I really don't think it makes sense to play traditional grixis delver over grixis control.

>>44002589

How is my meme deck?

4x Flooded Strand
4x Sacred Foundry
3x Clifftop Retreat
3x Battlefield Forge
7x Plains

4x Champion of the Parish
4x Norin the Wary
4x Soul Warden
3x Soul's Attendant
2x Legion Loyalist
1x Lightning Berserker
4x Ajani's Pridemate
3x Ranger of Eos
2x Purphoros, God of the Forge

4x Genesis Chamber
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Path to Exile
1x Return to the Ranks

SB
3x Blood Moon
3x Wear//Tear
2x Rest in Peace
2x Suppression Field
2x Stony Silence
2x Pithing Needle
1x Fracturing Gust

>>44011669
>anything other than tier 1 is a meme deck

>>44011365
Compare its one and two drop creatures to those of any other color.

>>44011365
It isn't. It's just the sideboard colour

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Not exactly a modern question, but from RtR upwards, which set has the most playable, or fun cards? Store has a sale on and I want to pick up a box.

>inb4 just buy singles
Maybe I like the thrill and wasting my money

>>44012091
born of the gods

My nephew wants to get into MtG and I wanted to play with him. What would be the best thing to buy to get us started?

>>44012184
Maybe a duel deck, it has two decks in it that were meant to be played together

>>44012184
I normally recommend the magic origins clash pack to new players. http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/magic-origins-clash-pack-and-intro-pack-decklists

it comes with 2 decks and a suggestion for what cards you can combine to make one superior deck

How old is the nephew? I know officially MTG is rated like 13+ game but I've never met a 13 year old with the patience to learn the game correctly.

>>44012289
I taught my girlfriends 10 year old brother to play. But he's an extremely competitive child so there's that

>>44012091
Your pic is a good one. The shocks seem pretty cheap right now though.

Khans seems the best for value right now, which isn't great. Never drafted it though, but it seems alright.

Innistrad is the most fun draft I've played, and it's got some high value chase cards.

>>44012289

He's 11, I've never really played Magic so I guess I didn't realize how difficult it can be. He likes playing D&D with me but there usually aren't enough people around to get a game going with him, so we were looking for good two player games.

>>44012091

RTR or Khans would probably be your best bet.

>>44012425
it might be rough but if he's a sharp kid he may be able to roll with it. just don't get frustrated, grown men nearly come to blows in arguing over the rules of this damned game. sometimes you have to be reminded, it's just for fun.

>>44012463

I think I'll give MtG a try. I'd rather get into a more advanced game and have him grow into it, than get into a game for his age and have him grow out of it really fast. Thanks for the recommendations everyone.

>>44012458
>>44012386
Yeah I thought it would come down to those two. Cheers guys.
>>44012132
Are you being serious or a joke? BotG is pretty average to me

>>44012463
>just for fun
FUN???
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


also burst lightning, forked bolt or flameslash
the choice is real

Why do people get so fucking salty when they lose to burn? I swear the first two guys I played on friday looked like they were ready to drop after I beat them.

>>44012558
It personally makes me mad because Burn players always cheese out wins from me despite siding in like fucking ten cards playing Scapeshift.

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>>44003638
>be me
>love jund
>recreate a viable build or rogue tier 2 build for every new standard
>can't afford to play Modern 3k$ version
>mfw
>mfw i don't have a good reaction pic for this situation in my /tg folder
>why can't i have nice things?

>>44012661
As a burn player I can see why people get salty game 1, but seriously there's so many cards that castrate burn's plan that you should take solace in that fact. burn literally has to sideboard against sideboards, and I 100% recommend at least 10 slots dedicated to burn. It is the most common aggro deck you'll face locally.
>tfw boros burn is the best burn
>mfw refraction trap in the sb for the matchup
>palms/helix/leylines/firewalker
fighting fire with fire.

>>44011429
I know this guy. He flips people off at FNM.

>>44012796
Sell your entire collection to play Modern Jund. Thats what I did

>>44012091
Just buy khans for fetch roulette. Or theros for thoughtseizuring. Recent sets have been a bit shit in sense of card value. Liked to rip RtR myself back in the day.

>Put together fish deck months ago
>Wanted black bordered Lords of Atlantis
>Too poor for beta
>Bought Timeshifted foils at $15ea
>They're worth $50ea now

I don't even play the deck. I kinda want to sell, but... just owning them makes me happy. I could use the money to finish out my Shardless BUG on MODO, though.

>>44012937
I believe it. He's a cunt, but he's right about a few things.

>>44012824
So you don't know how shit it's to play against burn? It's just not much fun. Can't really think of anything other as boring match up as burn, to be honest.

>>44008556
Used to play a deck kinda like this but better. Try Guttersnipe. He's a fucking beast in a cantrip-heavy deck like this.

>>44013233
Living end, affinity, and infect are all pretty samey tbqh.
I know it just looks like a bunch of red cards flying at your face but "end of turn i cycle" and "how many artifacts will i have out turn 1 this time?" are just as bad.
Same as goyfs, I know creatures are interactive but seeing the same 2 mana creature all the time really makes him lose flavor points.

>>44013249
You ran a sort of drawggro deck?
Like, think twice/electromancer kinda deal?
Thats kinda like a stormy/t4/combo route, I like the scrappyness of the young pyromancers for 1R rather than the value of guttersnipe/cantrip-trains.

Care to sample some of the list??

What's a good side against field wipes. Using BW stuff.

>>44013551
Brave the elements will save your white tokens.

Hey guys could you give a quick rundown on the different styles of decks? (Aggro,Control,Fatigue, etc)
I've heard people use these terms in card games before, but nobody gave a precise description and I thought that the game where the terms came from would be able to.

>>44013683
>,Fatigue
Meant to put Tempo, obviously Fatigue is usually just a mill deck in MtG

>>44013683
>aggro
I play my hand as fast as possible
>control
I survived after you've emptied your hand and now my draws are greater
>tempo
value, not as fast as aggro but won't run out of "gas" either

>>44013676
OK. ;_;

>>44013551
if you splash a bit boros charm counters every boardwipe, whether its damage like Anger or destroy like Verdict. It even counters Verdict, which says "uncounterable".

If you absolutely have to stay in b/w, then Mana Tithe is a hell of a card anon. Brave the Elements will stop the red boardwipes (but not white or black boardwipes).

>>44013551
vs pyroclasm - Burrenton Forge-tender / Mark of Asylum

>>44013852

I currently have a Gruul Tempo. It's really fun and allows a ton of high powered attacks.

How do we make mtg people attending events smell/look better?

>>44014269
Pros actively shaming neckbeards on camera. More asscrackstravaganza photos. More prolific female players.

>>44014269
For people to stop glorifying "nerd" culture.

Thanks a lot LoadingReadyRun, you fucking fedora lords.

>>44014269
More gurls
Competition of the nicest smelling begins with girls

>>44014269
i haven't met that many stereotypical human garbage cans. its just the few you do run into REALLY stand out.

Thoughts on Kiki Chord?

What the shit is this stupid mono-black Eldrazi deck I keep seeing pop up. It's fucking ridiculous.

Just built a modern loam pox deck and I have to say it is doing pretty well currently. It really only has troubles with the one zoo player we have! Is able to grind out abzan and go toe to toe with tron, will also punish grixis delver and greedy manabases all the same. Not much burn by me so its pretty optimal!

>>44014978
Kiki chord is definitely a solid deck on most terms, problem is what it's trying to do, twin does better/faster. However, I hate playing twin but playing against kiki chord is always fun for me for some reason

>>44015494
I don't know but honestly I kind of like it. I'm so pissed seeing turn one, mountain, swiftspear.

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>>44002589
Raven's crime is a pretty neat card desu

>>44016148
Looks fun. Does it ever work? Seems like it'd be strong vs non grixis decks. Also seems like it'd just die if you don't draw both lili and ensnaring bridge.

>>44016737
It doesn't work most of the time, but the beauty of it is how much it pisses people off.

>>44016737
I run budget 8rack and it works. I pulled top 8 in a local weekly just recently and I'm running the budget alternatives to lilly and bridge.

I'm running G/R Tron with this sideboard
3x Nature's Claim
2x Thragtusk
1x Sundering Titan
1x Relic of Progenitus (1 in main)
2x Spellskite (1 in main)
2x Rending Volley
2x Defense Grid
2x Torpor Orb

Should I swap Thrags for Feed the Clan? The relevant matchup is burn, but I feel Thrag helps more in the midrange department, which is pretty good pre-side for me.

More Sundering Titans? Naya and Jund seem to fall apart to him.

More relics for graveyard hate?

Remove D grid for other options?

Is Torpor Orb actually useful for Twin, or will their artifact hate sideboard make it ded?

Any niche cards that don't a lot of play that fit into this deck? I enjoy playing cards like those.

>>44017179
I run 3 relic main board. Helps in cutting down goyfs after a pyroclasm and the one tinfins deck that shows at my meta. I find it useful. And feed the clan is okay provided they don't have eidolon out. Spending precious colored mana from tron just to gain 3 life, you're better off sylvan scrying

>>44017179
Yes I'm talking about burn

>>44012661
I don't think the combo player gets to complain about bullshit out of nowhere wins

>>44017179
Silent Arbiter for Twin ;^)

>>44017882
Actually fuck, my ironic suggestion might not be so ironic. Silent Arbiter would be excellent against Twin, Zoo, Hatebears, and Merfolk.

>>44017179

to maximize feed you already need something big out which means you need tron first which means you would probably be dead by then

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friendly reminder that many blue decks, especially twin, should be playing this mainboard

>>44018460
>twin
>a deck that literally ONLY plays instant speed spells except for Splinter Twin, which wins on the spot
>telling it to add a sorcery speed card
How about no?

>>44018460
>twin
>tapping out on turn 3 for an effect they could get at 2 mana if they even wanted it (they don't)

>>44018745
>>44018810

you don't have to (and in many matchups shouldn't) play it out on turn 3 like a retard. Also many lists are playing tasigur and jace main as sorcery speed threats.

>>44018925
Then why run it mainboard?
It's a shit card.

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Played Dredgevine for a long time, played Loam Pox for a long time and now I have been testing this since summer time.
http://www.mtgvault.com/youris/decks/dredge-reanimator/

UR Twin match sucks but you win alot of games because they attack into a Pharoah like a retard. Tarmotwin and Grixis are easier due to their more heavy investement in beatdown.

Bogles is pretty much the worst.

Affinity is 50-50, due to their speed and because of Etched (The affinity dudes in my area run like 3 of them in the main)

Midrange, BGx and the like, are cakewalks with the only sticking point is a turn 2 Ooze but even that isn't unbeatable.

Burn is a joke thanks to Gnaw to the Bone.

Titan Bloom is race and it can be a bitch because if you lock green with Iona they can Hivemind you but if you lock Blue they can titan you. Overall, not the worst.

Elves are a joke.


Both online (xmage) and at my local store this turns in good results (First to third place modern store events regularly in a meta with pretty much only tier 1-2-2.5 decks) especially now that Twin isn't as big as it was at the start of the year. Good deck but you need to take in stride because after a while everyone starts packing heavy grave hate when they didn't before. Don't know if I like playing Loam Pox or this more but they are both great fun.

Feedback appreciated.

>>44003323
Is mangara good without the karakas?

>>44006509
>Mono red aggro is usually tier 1-1.5. Mono blue aggro is not

Merfolk

>>44019029
No. It's mostly a slower O-ring.

>>44019029
Not as good, but you got Vial/Flickerwisp and Resto.

>>44011797
Welcome to the modern thread

>>44014426
>found the SJW

>>44019240
I think you may have a misunderstanding of "SJW"

>>44019368
SJW=anyone I don't like

>>44018460
There's way better sideboard cards for blue decks

Like, I've seen some blue decks maindeck Leyline of Sanctity in specific metagames and that would literally be better than this.

>>44017892
Silent Arbiter has been sweet, sweet tech for blue tron for a while. Of course, blue tron is a lot slower, so it needs it a lot more than RG does.

>>44019240
He's not wrong though. Nerd culture is fucking cancerous as shit.

>>44020128
Id second this. Nothing good has come out of nerd culture.

>>44020128
>>44020142
Why do nerds hate other nerds so much?

>>44020164
Because other nerds are fucking rude and terrible people.

>>44020184
But you're also being rude and terrible.

>>44020196
Not really, just stating my opinion

>>44020226
>its okay when I do it, but not when other people do it

>>44020251
Except that my opinion was stated in a civil way? I wasn't screaming or anything about it.

Hope does Garruk relentless work when he flips? How many loyalty counters does he begin with?

>>44020449
however many he had when he flipped

if he has 0 loyalty counters, he goes to the graveyard as a state-based action and won't flip

>>44020769
Wow, what a shitter

>>44021069
You use Garruk as a token maker and nothing else

if you're not interested in that, then yeah he's bad

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If I'm not supposed to play meme decks like restore balance, why are the cards for it so aesthetic?

>Just played a Bo3 against Twin with my RUG Loam
>Won 2-0

;^)

>>44021204
I've never seen twin as an issue. Just make sure to hold removal for when they try to go off. They don't do much else without it.
I guess you're just shit outta luck of you're aggro and didn't get a quick enough draw

is blue tron a meme deck

>>44021260
Twin runs Dispel just for that reason. My matchup against Twin is fantastic though because they can't do shit to stop an online Vortex from taking out their board.

>>44021263
UW Tron is the meme one, blue tron is just the tier3.5 poorfag choice deck.

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I kinda love this deck a lot. Win or lose, I always have fun. Finally be able to afford a Clique and the Keranos.

>>44021263
No, but it struggles against aggro.

A guy I play with brewed this up and it has been featured on official mtg sites.

What you think?

Nonbo Tron

Planeswalker (5)
2 Karn Liberated
3 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Creature (14)
4 Spellskite
4 Lodestone Golem
3 Silent Arbiter
3 Wurmcoil Engine
Artifact (16)
4 Expedition Map
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Oblivion Stone
4 Batterskull
Land (25)
4 Urza's Tower
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Mine
4 Radiant Fountain
3 Glimmerpost
3 Cavern of Souls
2 Dread Statuary
1 Island

>>44021695
So to get the 3 Urza lands you will have to draw them naturally? I don't think that's gonna be good.

>>44021695
>4 Expedition Map

>>44021781
>>44021741

>>44021799
I see. I think it's worth a shot. But man, those green search cards are really good

>>44019003
have you thought about trying Dangerous Wager?

>burn player taps out with a flurry of burn spells
>down to like 7 life
>Esper Charm the burn player
>Snagged double boros charms
>burn player draws nothing for the rest of the game

>>44021862
The dredge enablers are there to get you started with the first dredge card, given that you run 4 copies of every worthwhile dredge card it's easy to chain them. I did test it but found out that it's a bad turn 2 play, which is the only time I really want to play one of my draw-discard cards, even worse than the double red of Wild Guess.

It may not look it, with the 7 mana sources and all, but this deck is pretty mana hungry and having lands in hand both to Cry away and to play each turn is a big deal. I hope Innistrad 2.0 will bring me something like Faithless 2.0 to replace the Guess and up the count to 3 or 4.

>>44021695
Hmmm. What advantage does it have over normal tron? I'd like to see it in action desu

Reminder that if Stoneforge gets unbanned, Abzan is literally tier 0

>>44019003
>boggles
Self-inflicted wound?
Black has the best sb against boggles with sacrifice cards, although I never see them so I never have the damn cards in my sb

>>44022928
I don't think you have seen the deck. This isn't a dredge light/for value deck like loam pox, if it doesn't work in the grave I can't use it.

>>44021695
As per usual, everyone on /tg/ will say it's shit until it hits a top 8, then everyone will say it was a great deck all along

>>44022928
The only things Bogles can't play around are Spellskite and Crackling Doom.

>>44022019
>use your black mana to inquisition/discard and empty their hand
>blue mana to dispel their cards
>white mana to make them cry

Esper vs burn is a good time

>>44022928
Cards good against boggles that don't get hosed by Teeg:

Geth's Verdict
Tribute to Hunger
Lilliana of the Veil
Engineered Explosives
Ratchet Bomb
Back to Nature
Spring Cleaning (I'd love to see the look on a boggle's players face after seeing this card resolve, but its hilariously narrow)

>>44023053
As esper, I feel like I have a better burn matchup than Junk does. Spell Snare + Logic Knot and Dispel do a lot of work in making sure you don't die. Hold up Dispel while Baneslayer out of the sideboard makes burn cry.

Its not a *great* matchup, but I'd say its like, 60/40 in favor of burn but hardly unwinnable like a lot of people say it should be.

>>44023156
>I feel like I have a better burn matchup than Junk does
>60/40 in favor of burn
That's interesting. Junk has a favorable matchup against Burn. What kind of Junk lists do you see in your meta?

>>44023359
Junk pilots tell me they think its 70/30 in favor of burn due to the painful manabase they run + thoughtseize, plus they lack meaningful interaction against burn game 1.

Of course, that could be a case of my local junk pilots not being very good.

>>44023359
Junk does have green/white and probably oozes so the matchup is nice too.
>>44022990
Thoughts on Ray of Revelation? I really don't know what other cards would work, sorry man.

Really like spring cleaning btw. a burn favorite of mine is aura barbs

>>44023427
>Thoughts on Ray of Revelation?
Again, have you seen the deck? I already have 3 Rays in the sideboard but it's hardly enough to stop boggles, just slow them down. Best case scenario is Ray into soft boggle into Elesh to kill it and lock the board but that is pretty hard to do with most good-okay boggles hands.

>>44023419
Also, the burn players I play against always have a playset of Searing Blaze (And outside of snapcaster mage, I'm creatureless), and my junk pilots have maindeck Bob.

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>>44023518
>my junk pilots have maindeck Bob.
No, just no.

>>44023563
They keep telling me its worth it because flipping rhino is only -1 net life

>>44023518
Ah, that must be it. In general, Junk doesn't run Dark Confidant. Back in July, mtggoldfish did a massive metagame analysis of Modern. According to their data, Junk wins 55+% of its games against Naya Burn.

>>44023609
Well like I said, its also very possible my junk pilots just aren't good at the deck

>>44023635
>very possible my junk pilots just aren't good at the deck
But how
Junk is so easy to pilot. You just drop your creatures as your curve goes along. There's really nothing to think about

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Can you tell me why Damnation is so damn expensive when it's just a recolored version of Wrath of God? Does the mere fact because it's black make it cost so much?

>>44023725
Yes. Yes it does. Also WoG has been reprinted several times.

>>44023725
Wasn't reprinted in MM15.

>>44023725
It was only in Planar Chaos and PC was not that popular of a set, so copies of Damnation are hard to find.

>>44023596
>They keep telling me its worth it because flipping rhino is only -1 net life
That logic has more holes in it than a trypophobiac's nightmare.

>>44023725
If it's printed only in Future Sight block, then it's expensive as fuck because few copies of those sets were printed. It's a hard rule.

>>44023725
>Modern Masters
No reprint
>Modern Masters 2
No reprint
>A FROM THE VAULTS SPECIFIC TO BOARD WIPES
No reprint

There's why.

>>44021263
>>44021556

Basically just is bad against aggro and combo's nuttiest draws. 50%+ against midrange, great against twin and control. I used to play it and had a lot of success. But the meta shifted to be super aggro and I dropped it. Now it's Twin and grixis heavy and those matchups are favorable but difficult and I don't have the attention span to keep my head on the game, so I've mostly stopped playing it. but it's a solid budget deck. UW tron is better against aggro and worse against combo and control.

>>44021695
I've played a deck similar to this. it is actually pretty decent. But this list needs Chalice of the Void.

>>44014376
>>44014426
>>44014504
Have GF, not a neckbeard. Not even a single fuck given if females play in fact I'd prefer if none did. I play MTG in part to be able to just go out and hang out with the guys and not have to worry about keeping up appearances.

Also I feel for the most part women don't have the balls to pull the trigger at the right time in MTG (generally speaking) so I would say as a group they're strictly worse than men. I'd rather play against better players to improve my own skill.

>>44023978
See I live and die for the blue mirror, so that metagame sounds lovely to me.

>>44024128
Some girls are autistically good at tcg.
I'd rather they join in on fnm girls are cute and they smell pretty.
>>44023514
I don't know what to say man, boggles are hard to deal with. They're slippery fuckers. Is there a flashback fog or something you could try?
I'd personally not worry about that specific matchup since nobody at my lcs runs em, but if you're getting pissed at dicky boggles try emailing someone at channelfireball or something and ask.

>>44024128
You do realize what you're saying is wrong, right? A woman can be trained to be good at mtg just as well as a man can. The skills associated with being good at mtg are learned, as it is a game.

There's no secret primordial trait that makes you good or bad at magic. Anyone with a certain minimum intelligence can be good, and skill simply scales with experience+thinking.

Sure, many grills are bad, but since skill scales with experience+thinking, you can simply play more and think more and they would be excellent.

You're noticing that grills are bad, and attributing that fact to them being grills. But it's more that grills play less and are therefore less good. And guess why they play less? People like you, who talk about "boys clubs" and "grills just aren't as good as men". Why would they want to hang out with you at the game store? So it's very logical why there are fewer grills than men, and it's very logical why the average grill who does play might be worse than the average male.

>>44023745
>>44023747
>>44023792
>>44023912
>>44023931
Alright, thanks for the clarification.
Here's a (you).

The average FNM girl who just started playing magic is probably worse at magic than I am.

Someone like Melissa de Tora is definitely better at magic than I am.

>>44024374
I just accept the bad bogles match to be honest. It's not a common deck so it's not backbreaking to just stay soft to it. It's hard for an all in combo deck to be a "Everything 50%" one like how BGx is build.

>>44024384
I feel the dynamic of the shop changes when girls hit the scene. I don't mind them personally but you'll always see people's personalities change and all the white knights and lechers come out of the woodwork it seems.

Have you ever read the book Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus? Men really do think differently than women and I believe for the most part it's an asset in MTG. It's just my opinion, I really don't care too much I just don't like the idea of people bending over backwards to pander to women.

>>44024473
>Melissa de Tora
Better at cheating maybe.

>>44024601
It sounds like you have a problem with men

>>44024601
ah, the conversation has shifted. Not women playing, but the dynamic of men and women together playing.

Autists will be autists is pretty much all I have to say on this new topic. I have seen what you describe, and I think it's stupid too.

>>44024446
also goes into every commander deck that's black and doesn't run white.

>>44021171
>I PLAY CARDS FOR THE ARTWORK

>>44012091
Why not draft with some buddies and have fun while still getting to keep the cards?

Surely your friends wouldn't steal from you?

>>44021171
>If I'm not supposed to play meme decks
Whoever told you this was a liar. You are supposed to play your own brews and meme decks all the time.

>>44011669
Where's Sphinx Revelation?

>>44008082
Stick to pauper

>>44024956
Fuck off, fag boy.

>>44025031
That's good, because I just sold affinity to play all the meme decks

>>44024956
this is actually partially true for me. I play death and taxes in modern, legacy, and vintage because I think Thalia is a pretty card.

Traded my Standard stuff for Merfolk.

Going to FNM for Modern for the first time. Any Merfolk specific tips or decks I should look out for?

I hear Affinity is a terrible matchup.

>>44025399
>playing memefolk

>>44008082

Buy a pair of duel decks
Buy two commander decks
Buy two intro packs from the same set

Don't buy boosters.

>>44025399
Get that heraclitaurus recall card, or some annuls to deal with the big ones

>if i spam the word "meme" enough it'll make it look like I know what I'm talking about!

>>44026114
>heraclitaurus recall card
LOL SO FUNNY XD
>annul
You're joking

>>44026143
Who are you quoting

>>44026233
You probably.

Rate my meme deck

4 Time Warp
4 Temporal Mastery
4 Walk the Aeons
1 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
4 Remand
3 Cryptic Command
3 Rites of Flourishing
3 Explore
3 Serum Visions
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Elixir of Immortality
2 Crucible of Worlds
1 Faerie Conclave
1 Alchemist's Refuge
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Breeding Pool
2 Hinterland Harbor
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
6 Island
3 Forest
2 Peer Through Depths
2 Day's Undoing
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
SB: 2 Gigadrowse
SB: 2 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 2 Echoing Truth
SB: 1 Laboratory Maniac
SB: 1 Pongify
SB: 1 AEtherize
SB: 1 Rapid Hybridization
SB: 1 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
SB: 2 Naturalize
SB: 2 Bribery

>>44026189
>annul
>bad
You're the joker.

https://twitter.com/LengthyXemit/status/673660602208747520
Oh snap

>>44027860
I'm pretty new, but how is using 1 mana to produce two mana with another land useful?

>>44027880
If you need WW but only have U that land fixes it, whereas a plains or UW dual wouldn't

>>44027860
Cool

>>44027880
I'm pretty sure it is just to net specific mana

>>44027860
>https://twitter.com/LengthyXemit/status/673660602208747520
Man thats sweet, expect the full cycle

>>44027860
So explains the new man's symbol. Its colorless matters.

>>44027951
*mana, fucking phone

>>44012289
a 12 year old beat us all in standard fnm last friday

mind you he was borrowing the deck from the guy running fnm but he was playing it really well

>>44024683
Still don't really like women playing they're just not usually good enough to provide a challenge

>>44027249
How is this a "meme" deck? Just looks like a bunch of crap thrown together

>>44027249
>no telling time
>no lighthouse chronologist
eh not bad

>>44030025
>deck built around never letting your opponents take a turn
>lighthouse gives you a turn every time they take a turn

seems good mayn

>>44030217
is it "built around never letting your opponents take a turn" and if they get a single turn the deck has failed, or designed to maximize your own turns?

If the former, then ok there is no benefit to chronologist

>>44030579
It's not my deck, but his deck is pretty much explicitly built to go infinite turns then win by drawing itself out with Laboratory Maniac in play.

You can see it with his 4x Walk the Aeons, 3x Explore, 2x Crucible.

So it's the former.

>>44030579
Once it starts going they should never get a turn. If they get to untap they could burn you out or hold up mana for counters or cast Teeg or something.
Even if it didn't, a card that doesn't do anything until you put 9 mana into it, and even then gets turned off by abrupt decay etc isn't a good inclusion
There's a good reason none of the level up cards see play
Even Merfolk has mostly dropped Coralhelm Commander

>>44030730
>>44030797
ah, makes sense.
i was mainly just saying two vaguely time-related cards, not giving actual input