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Chaos Terminators: I know they're pricey, but I'm mainly taking them for casual/not too competitive games as suicide DS units. One group is 3 of them with combi meltas and 2 power axes, 1 chain fist, for tkaing out armor.

How should I outfit a second group? Again, they are a DS suicide unit for taking out a particular threat. Should I grab another axe/combi melta unit, or something else (for infantry, other stuff)?

>>43890567
If you want Anti-Infantry, go Combi-Flamer and Power Mauls, or dual Lightning Claws. I've had good results with that.

One of the advantages we have over Loyalists is that we can mix and match our Termies in the same squad. It's not that effective at small squad levels, but at large squad levels a mix of LC's and Combi-Flamers w/ Heavy Flamer can be really fucking mean.

mega link dead?

can someone confirm?

What's a 'beatstick' and where do I get one?

Has some kind anon saved the Eldar Corsair pic dump that was posted here yesterday?

>>43890987
Two threads ago in the archive.
You ditz

>>43890728
Not dead

This is probably the wrong place to ask this to get a realistic answer, but I'm gonna ask it anyway.

How much profit do you think 3rd party model companies make?

Do you think business like Kromlech etc actually make a big profit or just get by?

I've been out of the loop since the tau update

Did white scars actually get new shit for chaos?

>>43891122
BEfore chaos, good fucking lord

>>43891033
I never got what made the bridges "shiny". They just looked like concrete.

>>43891112
They probably make enough to keep their figurative doors open, but I doubt they're profit machines.

Also, Kromlech is generally shit, and their faces are laughable.

>>43891183
>Also, Kromlech is generally shit, and their faces are laughable.
agree with this completely I just don't know many other 3rd party sites so I just used them as an example.

>>43891112
Get buy. I'm sure Raging Heroes made a decent profit on their Kickstarters though. It's probably minor amounts.

There are two kinds, Kings of War tier who make bulk models of low quality, or Kingdom Death tear which make expensive resin models which means small quantities.

So, yeah, not great but it's a job.

>>43891002
You made me replay DoW2 and I'm at the end now where you just farm defence missions for gear. Shame none of them are good. I want a purple heavy bolter or something, best I get is blue. I swear DoW2 had a couple of purples.

>>43891183
>>43891211
their bases look alright, how are they?

>>43891222
I've played the game over and over, trying to get Forgebreaker, but it just never happens.

Fuck loot-grabbing, too. I always get a high-rarity weapon drop from the boss, and then the cutscene kicks in and it just sits there, taunting me.

>>43891267
Is that in the original DoW2? I don't ever remember getting purples in the first one. Only in Chaos Rising and Retribution.

>>43891256
Bases are bases, so you can forgive it a bit more. My main problem with Kromlech is how cartoony all their shit is. I mean, look at the not!Leman Russ turrets. Would you really want to put one of those on your models?

I play Admech, too, so I really want to like Hi-Tech's Bio-Tech Covenant stuff, but it's all clunky and fat where it shouldn't be.

Apparently nobody but GW knows how to make a tech-priest that doesn't look like shit.

>>43891300
No, I meant Retribution. That's where they put the crazy shit, like the Custodes armor and Forgebreaker.

>>43891167
I think they were suppose to be gold looking.

>>43891347
Shame. Is there any purples in original?

>>43891584
I think so, theoretically, but I've never seen them. Hell, only ever saw a couple of blues.

It's a stingy fucking game.

Anyone got tips for making a small urban wall for on a base?

>>43891672
styrofoam will do it, detail it with a knife then paint it.

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Haven't kept up with 40k for about 2 years. Played Tau since 4th ed and stopped when the 6th ed codex came out. I'm considering getting back into the game, this time with vanilla marines. I'm thinking about making a list focused on drop pods, but not necessarily dead set on it.

Question to vanilla marine players: What lists are fun to play? Don't give a fuck about the meta whatsoever.

Pic related, it's the chapter I plan on painting.

>>43891328
agree with this completely.

Any time I see people recommend their Mega Armoured Nobz I cringe a little on the inside.

Is Forge World OP?

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Any advice on making a Black Mace for this guy? Not even sure where to begin on making one.

>>43892394
No, just rather unknown. Their balance is just as wonkey and on the whole a little behind gw when it comoes to units. The dlc is fluffy and fun

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>>43892455

So I got the BaC box, a squad of Centurions, and a Drop Pod for my own Christmas present this year. This is the list I came up with using my GK army as allies and all the cool MK4 dudes from the box set, let me know what you think (semi-competitive, but not going to a tournament with it)

-HQ-

Sevrin Loth, 175 pts

-Troops-

10 x Tactical Marines, Apothecary Upgrade, Combi-Plasma, Plasma Gun, Rhino, 200 pts
10 x Tactical Marines, Apothecary Upgrade, Combi-Plasma, Plasma Gun, Rhino, 200 pts
10 x Tactical Marines, Apothecary Upgrade, Combi-Plasma, Plasma Gun, Rhino, 200 pts

-Fast Attack-

Drop Pod, Locator Beacon, 45 pts

-Heavy Support-

3 x Centurion Devastators, Grav Cannons, Omniscope, 250 pts


Grey Knights Nemesis Strike Force

-HQ-

Librarian, ML 3, 135 pts

-Troops-

5 x Terminators, 4 Halberds, 1 Hammer, 1 Psycannon - 203 pts


-Heavy Support-

Nemesis Dreadknight, Heavy Incinerator, Heavy Psycannon, Hammer, Personal Teleporter - 220 pts
Nemesis Dreadknight, Heavy Incinerator, Heavy Psycannon, Hammer, Personal Teleporter - 220 pts

>>43890933
A "beatstick" unit is generally just one that hits very hard, and is often able to move (or be moved, via transport or Deep Strike) very quickly to facilitate aggressive tactics. It's the sort of squad you bring specifically to wipe out whatever enemy units you most need dead, rather than holding objectives or providing support.

>>43892417
You don't need squads to finish the game. Just get good gear. I've completed every campaign. I remember a green Fusion Gun for Eldar was better than epics. It really fucking irritated me.

Those "reloads less frequently" or whatever really boost your DPS. In original DoW2 I switched a HB out for a Missile Launcher which only does less damage, but fires 3 missiles before having to reload. That obviously keeps the DPS near HB level, but the main draw is being able to hit Focus Fire and see three missiles slam into tanks.

Tarkus's 989 range DPS due to a Lv.16 Stormbolter having something like reduced cooldown or something ability shoots his DPS up another 400.

>>43892394
Not really, no. Some stuff is OP, the Wasps for Eldar were OP, but I think they've been updated. Corsairs are apparently OP now. Manticore Missile Batteries and Earthshaker Artillery Carridges are OP due to the price for what you get. Sure, you can't move, but you can fit in more and that's all that really matters. Manticore are more OP obviously as you've fired them off before they ever get to charge you. ES are fucked if you get into firing arc.

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For a cool objective marker, I picked up an old Brother Craig model, the Space Marine who looks like he's talking to his magazine. What do you think would be a good way to paint him up?

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Would anybody object if I used these guys as Sternguard Vets?

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Real Assholes

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>>43892647

>>43892664
For ravenguard, sure

>>43892724
ah fuck you

>>43892627
I know, but I like variety. How tough are Noise Marines anyway? The Assault Termies make quick work out of them.

>>43892753
>>43892664
While Raven Guard mostly had these, there is nothing stopping other chapters from using it. Sternguard would be considered worthy enough to wear chapter relics. Which they would be.

I wouldn't object as long as I knew.

>>43892564
There is literally no reason to take plasma anymore in the Space Marine Codex. Take grav on your tacticals, or take melta.

What's the plan for flyers?

>>43892790
In DoW2: Retribution? Not very. They're glass cannons. They're harder on the hardest level iirc.

You can't let them shoot you. They're fun to use thou.

>>43892797
I'm gonna paint the heads gold, per Blood Angel regulations.

>>43892826
>They're harder on the hardest level iirc.
Well then when I finally get to the IG campaign I'll see how tough they are on that difficulty.

>>43892851
That Guardsman getting shoot looks so uninterested but still he's in pain.

>>43892860
>dude, come on! I just washed this armour

Does anyone have a hold of the Mont'ka pdf?

>>43892860
> She said 'Greater Good and Chill'

>>43892840
>Blood Angels
>Corvus armour

Disgusting.

But go for it anon.

>>43892852
Problem is getting to that stage. I raged. Baneblade level is bullshit.

>>43890517
A group of these guys and an autarch with a banshee mask to counter Tau gunlines.

Yea or nay? They are fast enough to get into melee turn 2.

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>>43892915
Damn it.

>>43892875
>>43892899
My sides thank you.
>>43892900
>Problem is getting to that stage. I raged. Baneblade level is bullshit.
I suppose the hardest difficulty is realistically what the IG go through.

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>>43892915
>Eeeeeh? He forgot to post the picture?
>Oh Asurmen, how embarrassing!
>It's like he's a filthy mon'keigh or something!

>>43892820
My logic was that since they're in rhinos and not drop pods plasma would be more useful with a longer range. You really think plasma is that bad? even with the FNP from chapter tactics?

And there really isn't any plan for flyers because nobody actually uses flyers all that often at my store. I guess I'd use the NDKs heavy psycannons and hope for 6s.

>>43892932
>>43892915
Not a bad idea, just make sure you play with a decent amount of LoS-blocking cover. Markerlights+AP3 weapons make it pretty easy for a Tau army to get rid of a Jetbike unit quickly if they have the chance.

>>43893023
Optimal range for plasma guns is 12" for rapid fire. Grav guns are just as good if not better at that range against anything you actually need AP2 to hurt. It's just a better rule than boring S7 AP2 gets hot!

I say this as a plasma fanboy. There is no reason to take plasma on anything that can take grav instead.

>>43892664
Are they Space Marines?

Are they wearing actual Space Marine Power Armor?

Is there anything on them a normal Space Marine Veteran wouldn't have access to?

Then no, no problem. MkVI was used mostly by RG, but still got distributed widely, and is an entirely effective armor pattern that nobody would object to using.

>>43893186
>no reason

Fluffy? Don't Dark Angels use Plasma a lot?

>>43892709
>>43892647

Do this, and then add water-stain or rust streaks going downwards to emphasize that it's a statue.

>>43890517
How much are three broadsides worth used?

>>43893186
Is this line of thinking that has let me to replace all the armour on my units with invulnerables if I can help it.

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>>43893236

They are really good in the missileside configuration.

>>43893268
I mean in terms of $$$

>>43893268
lol read that as "Burrito Heavy Flamethrower System

>>43893236
$16

>>43893278
>>43893236
Depends on the model. If they're the old ones... I dunno. If they're new ones, then maybe 1/3rd off RRP. If they're the old FW ones, then maybe 1/3rd more.

But this is all guesses.

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Got a handful of plague marines for my coming chaos army. What's the go to way to equip and use these guys? Might get some tactical marines and mix and match them for a more recently fallen look. I don't really know what use I have for them as I mostly wanna do a daemon forge kinda army that guns the enemy into submission, but I just always liked plague marines.

>>43893186
>>43893220
>>43893249
I see what you mean. But at the end of the day...the BaC box came with 3 meltas, 3 flamers, 3 plasma guns, and 3 combi-weapons with the associated 3 guns. I really don't want to ebay a bunch of overpriced bits just to get grav guns/combi-gravs since I already have grav centurions in the list.

>want to make AdMech army
>but also IG army
>but also Tau army
>and Eldar army
>and Blood Angels and Red Scorpion army
>and SoB

Wat do? I want to make an AdMech army with a Thanatar. But until IA14 is out....

I wanted to do a Tau army, but I hate their tanks. flyers and fishfaces.

I wanted to do an Eldar army cause female Eldar are a cute.

I wanted to do BA cause I like their fluff. I wanted to do Red Scorpions cause of their paint scheme and perfection goal. Shame they don't let anybody "Not pure" enough to fight with them. Which probably excludes Space Furrys, Blood Angels, Iron Hands and Raven Guard, IG, SoB and AdMech....

I wanted to do SoB, cause Battle Nuns are awesome.

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>>43893439
Well you seem to be in a pickle there.
Fuck SoBs, their models are unobtainable and third party sisters are universally shit.
What do you like about IG?
What do you like about Tau?
You just want to make female Eldar?

>>43893411
Don't relay on grav, daemons and massed plasma guard will fuck you.

So your friend/club-mate has convinced you to play against his Warlord Titan. How do you defeat it without resorting to bullshit like 20 Wraithknights?

>>43893494
>>43893439
>female eldar
That's a point, why are there so few female models? I wanted some women in my IG army and I had to convert an eldar in to a female primaris psyker.

>>43893186
>There is no reason to take plasma on anything that can take grav instead.

Plasma Guns can inflict Penetrating Hits on vehicles, are better at damaging lighter vehicles and infantry with poor saves, and can inflict Instant Death on T3 targets. Grav is fantastic against the heaviest vehicles and infantry, but Plasma is more of an all-rounder. It might not be as good as Grav against some units, but it's better against others. Grav-guns on Tactical Squads don't generally bother my Dark Eldar in the slightest, but massed Plasma can be an issue.

>>43893520
Even with an equal amount of points in fusion suits, riptides, hammerheads, and Tau'nars, I don't believe I could beat him.
I would certainly fucking try though.

>>43893542
It's easier to just keep the all-male molds from before when this wasn't an issue.

>>43893564
I would pay to see that game.

>>43893504
I tried to make the list, which can be seen here for reference:
>>43892564
as balanced as I could with the models I own. Some grav on the centurions, plasma on the tacticals (with lots of bodies for target saturation), psycannons and incinerators on the grey knights for real gud ap4, and enough GKs to work as a mana battery for Loth using either Telepathy or Biomancy. AV13 or 14 could be a problem since I'm lacking melta, but I've got Daemonhammers on the NDKs and one in the Terminator squad. I guess the big decisions I'm trying to make now is whether to put meltas or plasma on the tacticals...it feels like a waste to put meltas on tacticals that will start on rhinos and might not ever get within 12/6 inches of an enemy vehicle.

>>43893439
They tolerate other marines, so they will fight alongside the chapters you mentioned.

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Is Dark Vengeance for 85 bucks worth it to a new player?

>>43893614
I suppose I could complain but I enjoy being a snowflake.

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>>43893543
What is your Eldar's play style? And what would you recommend for someone who wanted to build a high speed psyker army?

Thanks!

>>43893799
The fisticuff one.
Gallant I think it's called.

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>>43890517
Does anyone know how many HP the Vengeance Weapon Battery has? It's listed as an Impassable Building but the chart only categorizes the number of HP based on size.

>>43893799
You got a knight for around 50-60 bucks? You lucky bastard. on topic though I'm a fan of the Crusader with a battle cannon because it's a) rule of cool and b) the best dakka so long as you're not going against another superheavy or GMC where you'll want the D weapon.

>>43893402
Flamers, close combat shit, anything to make them annoying. They exist to either tie up beatsticks for long periods or camp objectives and generally act like herpes: annoying, mildly painful, and very difficult to get rid of.

FLGS had a closing down sale and I managed to Snag a Knight for chips, what should I build it as to ally with my Templars

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>>43893520
>>43893564
Warlord w/two reaver laser blasters=2850

2 Ta'unar supremacy armor suits=1200
3 hammerheads=375 points
2 teams of 3 double fusion/shield gen suits, 1 team of 2 suits with same loadout=616
One crisis shas'vre, xv84, drone controller, 2 marker drones=76
3 riptides w/ ion accelerators and twin fusion=555
23 points left over
2822

No, I wouldn't be able to do shit.

So, with how widespread AP1/AP2 is becoming, are Rhinos still useful?

>>43893769
Absolutely, even more so if you plan on playing Chaos because the dark angels can be proxied/ modified to be chaos marines and bikers.

>>43893836
Crusader kills things. Gallant is cheap and good at what it does. The rest are irrelevant.

>>43893856
They're still a 35pt block of moving cover, and they still get your squads where they want to be before dying. So I say yes.

>>43893411
Every marine player I know uses plasma gun bits and calls them grav and nobody bats an eye. Even at LVO.

>>43893543
Pens on vehicles are shite when you only have a 1/6 chance of blowing things up. Grav is an auto-immobilize and strips hull points like a mad cunt, which is the more efficient way to kill vehicles. Anything that has a shit armor save laughs at grav but is terrified of bolters anyway.

>>43893504
Again, anything with terrible armor actually has to worry about bolter fire, which means hugging cover or trying to bolster invulns, which isn't reliable and can't be done across the whole army.

>>43893836
The one with Melta Cannon and Chainsword. It opens up transports and deals with huge shit, while your power armour horde deals with the little shit and screens it from rogue Kharns.

>>43893836
Your sin was marked

>>43893834
>>43893818

>>43893856
Normal vehicles that you have to pay points for are a waste of space in an edition where people build lists to take out Super Heavies on the reg.

>>43893852
Hammerhead spam and buffmanders could do it.

>>43893889
I firmly believe in the Crusader with a melta cannon. It can and will take out multiple transports per turn, and the chainswords are kinda irrelevant when you can stomp things.

>>43893910
60 multi meltas is rapidly becoming a near reality

I'm holding out for chaos to get a bullshit gargantuan creature but I already know its gonna be a lord of skulls variant or something equally useless and depressing

>>43893520
Phantom Titan

>>43893907
I'll fetch the pain glove

>>43893953
>"Hey, Chaos players! Since we know exactly what your army needs, here's ANOTHER Khorne-dedicated superheavy! Four Chaos Gods, what? I didn't even know there were any others!"

>>43893956
That glaive actually would be a huge problem for it due to spirit shock, which makes it snapfire.

>>43893928
>I firmly believe in the Crusader with a melta cannon. It can and will take out multiple transports per turn, and the chainswords are kinda irrelevant when you can stomp things.
Yes, but it's Templars. You're not playing for 'relevant', you're playing for thematics, and a fuckhuge chainsword and meltagun just fit the theme better.

>>43893877
>anything with terrible armor actually has to worry about bolter fire
There are units now that specialize in good armour or invulnerable saves such as the inquisitor crusader, scouts, ratlings or daemons of tzeentch/nurgle.

>>43894037
You have a point.

>>43893999
Warlord Titan with twin powerfists
i.e. the High princeps of my titan legion

>>43892892
>Montka PDF
>https://mega.nz/#!nEhWlYba!7GjqfRu4Egipm8uF_75DxefVnunZlplf2zK-LupVxKs

>>43894063
It doesn't really need it as its base strength D.

Unless you aren't being serious in which case MY NIGGA!

>>43891650
The purples are in Chaos Rising, but they are mostly very rare drops.
Some of the items you can turn in for your choice of gear can provide purple weapons - the 1st Gift of the Artificers can give you a purple sniper rifle, the Salvaged Weapon can be traded in for a purple lascannon, and the 2nd Gift can be redeemed for a purple axe, heavy bolter, shotgun, or bolter.
I think the Space Hulk missions also had a purple holy Terminator Armor that you had to destroy all the item crates to find

>>43894104
+1 attack per fist

>>43894143
Still not worth it.

What happens when an Imperial admiral or any other guy at the top of commands fucks up and fails their mission?

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Avitus is rolling in his grave right now.
>>43893995
Highly accurate but they do remember Nurgle every now and then.

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>>43893956
fair fight

>>43893877
>Grav is an auto-immobilize and strips hull points like a mad cunt

If those sixes come up, and that's the problem. It's unreliable unless you use it en masse. For units like Devastators and Centurions which have access to multiple Grav-Cannons with Amps that's not a problem, but I've never been convinced by Grav-guns in Tactical squads. It's a crapshoot whether or not you'll get the sixes you need. Plasma can reliably ding Hull Points on AV10/11 vehicles and can shake/stun them to limit their firepower, which Grav can't.

>>43893795
I generally run my Eldar very aggressively, using a couple of Wave Serpents with Dire Avengers and Wraithguard, a squad of Vypers, and a squad of Jetbikes to pile down one flank and quickly join them with Warp Spiders and Swooping Hawks (usually led by an Autarch to make sure they arrive on-time) entering via Deep Strike. Dark Reapers and a few token Guardian Squads hang back on the objectives and provide fire support. It works pretty well and avoids the most overpowered units in the Codex, which some opponents will appreciate.

>>43894176
They get replaced.

By a Commissar if necessary. Which it usually is.

>>43894166
spirit shock reduces you to one attack characteristic, two fists gives you three attacks even with reduced characteristic.

>>43894231
What's the phantom power that makes a target snapfire?

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>>43894197
>24 HP

>>43894189
OGRYNS!? AGHENST YHEEUW?

>>43894204
But you're still getting three shots from every grav-gun. It's not horrible.

That said, plasma or a missile launcher would serve much better in that situation.

>>43894255
spirit shock, only available on the ghost glaive.

>>43894197
Where is this from?

>>43894197
How does the Wraith Titan rule interact with Kharn?

>>43894277
How is that not great against the warlord?

>>43893852
Just spam hazard suits you numbnuts.

>>43894293
It is fantastic against the warlord.
>>43894312
Utterly worthless against superheavy armor

You know, I was up for the idea of a "my army vs your Titan" match before they added that extra bullshit "hit on 6es and immune to haywire" shit.

Yes cool take away the specific anti-Titan methods a non-Titan army would use so it becomes joyless to face that's fine.

I suppose their ass-backward logic is that doing a "Try to kill my Titan" match is for pussies and only Titan/Titan duels are allowed.

>>43894363
Imagine a team game, two, maybe three guys on each side. Each team gets a Warlord Titan+their normal armies. Would you play this?

>>43894363
At that points level you will probably cease to give a shit. Seriously, games become so stupidly ludicrous at that point that there will be anti Titan shit everywhere.

Unless you are Dark Eldar. But they were always fucked at apocalypse level anyway.

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>>43894275
Didn't hear that out of him, but I think he said "I have the Leman Russ!".

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>>43894363
Well it'd be silly to destroy a warlord with massed fire warrior emp grenades.

>>43894362
Well, something has to take down those void shields. And they will strip a few (dozen) HP before they get stomped to death.

This is assuming it's a tablefull of max-fusion, of course.

>>43894363
Yeah, I have to say, look at what this does to the AdMech. They of all people would know precisely how to hit an enemy Titan. They would have the weapons to do this with, because they built all of the damned things. But out of all the armies, they are by far the most poorly-equipped to take one out, since all of their anti-tank depends on Haywire. Save Neutron Onagers, but they'd just get stepped on.

>>43894418
This, however, absolutely. This would be crazy fucking fun. The Titans blast the shit out of the opposing side for a turn, then charge at each other. Fucking glorious.

>>43892664

Mk 6 isn't really very special. I mean half of the heads and legs in every Marine kit for years has been mk 6, and they've recently started adding in the chests and shoulders to kits too. Now the earlier marks and mk 8, those are special as fuck. You can't even get plain mk8 legs anywhere.

>>43893877
This is really good to know, thanks! So I can run them as plasma or grav depending on which one ends up working best for me. Perfect.

>>43894468
Funny, I heard it about five times that mission. Have you gotten "FAHRSEEHR! LET US DO IT!" yet?

>>43894494
Mk8 is hard to fucking find. Which I suppose fits the fluff, but Jesus. Even the Sternguard box only has a single Mk8 chestpiece and set of arms.

>>43894483
AdMech destroy titans with titans

>>43894494
What I'm doing for my army is using the plastic MK4 for Red Scorpions and a 5-man MK2 set as my Sternguard squad. Pretty excited about that.

>>43891888

I find the Kromlech MANZ to be far more detailed and much more proppa looking than the boxy little MANZ GW sells. Especially the Killsaws; GW's ones are bloody tiny, whilst the Kromlech ones look like they're capable of sawing a Titan's leg off.

The one thing I'm not that sold on 100% is the heads, but they are very varied and you can easily swap them out with 5 minutes of conversion work.

>>43891866
Nice ultramarines!

In all seriousness, heavy scout lists can be fun and are actually a lot more effective now. Drop pod lists are very effective as well, fill them up with sternguard or even just regular marines and never worry about being shot at while moving up the board.

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>>43894521
One would think they'd be clever enough to come up with slightly more subtle options, though.

What's the strength of a Knight Titan's stomp?

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Good Blood Angels HQ for 500 points?

>>43894577
depends.

>>43894568
Iron Hands shotguns scouts. Four squads. All in LS Storms.

It is fucking hilarious. They just zip around the board blasting the shit out of everything.

>>43894576
The point of titans is that really only other titans are going to be able to destroy them without sacrificing whole armies, unless you're tau and you're throwing a dozen Tiger sharks at them.

>>43894600
A knight paladin's stomp

>>43894634
It fucking depends on what you roll.

Jesus dude, how dense are you.

>>43894634
depends.

>>43894634
1: Nothing
2-5: strength 6 AP 4
6: removed as a casualty

>>43894634
Roll D6.
>1: Nothing happens.
>2-5: Each model at least partially under the stomp template suffers a S6 AP4 hit.
>6: Auto-remove anything at least partially under the template. No saves.

>>43894592
Sanguinary priest

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Anyone here run Raven Guard? Looking to get into the game and these guys seem pretty cool what should I be looking to buy besides 2 troops and a HQ?

>>43894659

Yea,

But what strength is it?

>>43894693
Bikes and assault marines if you want to be fluffy. Vanguard Vets are pretty playable now, just give them all lightning claws. Everything needs a jump pack.

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>>43894719
Faggot strength, faggot.

>>43894693
Get Kauyon. Build the pinion battle Demi company. Go from there.

Trust me, this what you want as a Raven Guard player.

>>43894611
Haha! I've started using a 10 man scout squad split down the middle, 5 outflank with bolters and the rest sit on an objective with a missile launcher. Shame the dark angels codex doesn't get land speeder storms or I would have them everywhere for certain.

Anyone seen the dataslate rules for dat Battlegroup Hammerblow of IG? I'm kinda interested in it.

>>43894740

Thanks friend!

Now I know to suck my opponent's cock every time my Knight Paladin uses a stomp attack.

>>43894520
>Have you gotten "FAHRSEEHR! LET US DO IT!" yet?
Nope. Haven't engaged in Elf murder yet. Well I did in the CPU multiplayer match, but the Eldar won.

>>43894772
You better hope he brought a gallant.

>>43894751
It's really hard to go wrong with Scouts. Any way they're configured, they rarely disappoint.

That said, the hellfire round for the Heavy Bolter is a bit gimmicky. I personally prefer missiles, so good on you.

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>>43894659
>>43894680
Hey thanks for thinking for me losers.

>>43894279
IA11, the new one.

>>43894418
Epic?

Why would anyone ever take the Melee Imperial Knight?

It gets +1 attack, and that's literally it.

>>43894864
It's a cheap superheavy. You know those Distraction Carnifexi people used to run? Think those, but it can throw Rhinos.

>>43894907

On the other hand, the no Melee Knight is S10 AP2, which is exactly as good against everything but Wraithknights, other IKs and Stormshield Temmies.

>>43894973
Hey, I'm just pointing out its use. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather run a melta Crusader, and send half the opponent's army straight to hell.

>>43894864
I would take it, but chaos can't take it so I'm stuck with the Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

>>43894973
The cons to the Crusader is the fact that it'll be 450-470ish points when fully decked out. But if you're like me and aren't trying to win tournaments it's a lot of fun battlecannoning and rending assholes with 12 ap3 assault cannon shots

>>43890567
I have a squad of all combi melta power fists who wreck stuff and die - unless I can get a psyker buff on them first. Which is hopefully invis, making them awesome.

Theyve killed a few Knights and smashed tons of tanks.

>>43895043
Oh, is it ever. The thing plays like the mini-Titan it's supposed to be.

>>43892664
no one would object to that, just point them out as sternguard vets at the beginning of the game.

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>>43893494
>>43893542
SoB will be updated! I know it! :( Raging Heroes Not!SoB aren't shit in my eyes.

As for IG, I like their variation, lots of cool FW stuff and the whole Zulu style and loads of regular dudes and dudettes.

I like their suits, general Fire Warriors, auxiliary stuff and superior firepower. Same reason as I like IG.

As for female eldar. They're a cute, CUTE.

Also, there are 3rd party female IG models.

>>43895263
>SoB will be updated! I know it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyfNHlqymP8

>>43891167
The bridges are force-fields that allow the trukks to drive over. That's why they are Shiny.

>>43895263
>SoB will be updated! I know it!
Their models won't.

Sounds like you're in a pickle. Just pick some units up and start, you can build other armies in between lapses.

>>43895263
Get an inquisitor and get cute eldar models to use as death cult assassins then put them in an imperial guard/blood angels army

BISH BOSH SORTED, no need to thank me.

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So, I was reading through the Chaos Space Marine codex today... I want to know, why is it that Space Marine Librarians can learn Daemonology (Malefic) but Chaos Space Marine Sorcerers, can't?

I mean, that makes loyalists better at summoning Daemons than the traitors that actively worship them, or am I missing something?

>>43895418
That's an excellent question.

The answer can be found on page 404 of Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

>>43895418
They were printed in sixth edition when there was no daemonology.
They can take it though.

>>43895418
Yes they can.

>>43893831

I checked everything available to me and since it's undefined you'll need to find a consensus, either it has no HP whatsoever, meaning you can't glance it at all, or you take the old 6th ed rules, which would make it a small building with 3 HP.

Personally I'd count it as a small building and thus 3 HP.

>>43895459
I would say the same.

>>43895418
All Psykers can use Daemonology, with the exception of Grey Knights who can't take Malefic, Daemons who can't use Sanctic, and Tyranids who can't use either. IIRC at least; there's a clause in the core rulebook.

>>43895418
All psykers can learn both Daemonology schools (execpt grey knights/daemons who have to stick to their own), they only list it in the newer codexes to remind players of it.

Everything from a zoanthrope brood to an eldar farseer can summon squads of daemonettes, plague drones, bloodthirsters, you name it!

>>43895484
To add to this, Eldar and Harlequins can only use sanctic.

>>43895309
>>43895376
I believe in the Emperor and he'll reward me for my faith.

I think I'd do a small one of each. But I want the Thanatar at least and the Infernus Malcador for IG.
>>43895392
That's the problem, there isn't any cute Eldar models. Not even any good 3rd parties afaik.

>>43895418
The rulebook says that every army has access to the Daemonology discipline. This is because the Daemonology discipline was brought in with the release of the 7th edition which would have meant that no army had access to the discipline so the rulebook stated that every army has access to the discipline with the exceptions that Grey Knights can't use Malefic and daemons can't use Santic.

>>43895484
>>43895499
>>43895502
Oh shit, well, what a terrible example to use.

But it's otherwise right.

>>43894864
I take it with the str 8 ap 3 missile pods and a meltagun. Its 370 points iirc and is easily my best performing Knight out of the three. The other two being a Castigator and an Errant.

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>>43895526
>I believe in the Emperor and he'll reward me for my faith.
You fool, you flaunt with Eldar women and you expect reward

>>43894973
>exactly as good

except -1 attack and it cant hurl. No D table vs other superheavies/GC means you lose.

>>43895650

>Everything but

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>>43895593
ONLY IN COMPETITIONS :(

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>>43895677
>>43895593

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>>43895677
THE EMPEROR WILL SPIT UPON YOUR SOUL
UNLESS YOU KILL MANY ELDAR WHORES IN GLORIOUS CLOSE COMBAT

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>>43895716

>>43895716

"Power Strap-on" is a valid SoB weapon, right?

>>43895758
They don't get power fists?

>>43890517
Is it ok to talk about novels here or is it just gaming?

>>43895795
Go for it. Just make sure it's not anything to do with the new tau stuff.

>>43895795
Fluff is fine go for it.

>>43895795
Only shitposting and space elf porn.
Take that /lit/ shit out of my face, we don't read books here!

I used to play IG a few years ago and I liked the fluff so I decided to read "Yarrick the pyres of Armageddon". The book was meh, first half ok, but the ending was a bit anticlimax. Is there any IG books you recommend?

And what is sisters of battle? Do they have their own home worlds? They are not a space marine chapters right?

im thinking of doing a space marine fleet based chapter that operates out in the ghoul stars. I mostly just follow the novels and non table top stuff now days. anyone else have scratch made chapter ideas?

>>43893995
>>43893953
Nah. Chaos' LoW in the new dex is gonna be Abaddon, which is a shame since's not anything near worth a LoW slot.

That's assuming we don't get a Tau "update" in which case RIP chaos marines.

>>43895971
fifteen hours
redemption corps

fuck you it's not IG but read double eagle anyways

>>43893439
You can easily do a Tau army with no flyers and tanks. The flyers are pretty bad anway, aside from that one formation from Mont'ka that actually makes them good, and while the tanks are ok the suits are usually better. Also all their infantry (aside from some special characters, Ethereals and the Fireblade, the latter which can be comverted pretty easily) comes with enough helmets to not have any model go bareheaded.

>>43896060
>That's assuming we don't get a Tau "update" in which case RIP chaos marines.
That's going to be the case with CSM, Nids, and Sisters.

>>43896029
They're with the church. Like a nunnery on crack.

>>43896087
>fifteen hours
>redemption corps
>fuck you it's not IG but read double eagle anyways

*Taking notes*
Thank you!

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>>43895758
They have chainsword strapons, I know that....

>>43895835
>implying space elf porn is bad

>>43896060
Abaddon is insane on TT though.

>>43896130
Prove it.

>>43896087
Double Eagle is fucking good.

colonel shaffers last chancers is a good book. Also the majority of Dan Abnetts stuff. The Ciaphas Cain series is good also.

>>43896288
It's just a prediction I have.

>>43896405
Hmm. If it makes you feel any better I strongly doubt that will happen.

Chaos and nids painfully need to be redone, whereas Tau didn't really.

I say you will get a badass update.

>>43896361
probably the only abnett book I legit have no problems with

>>43896442
Nids aren't going anywhere with Cruddance as GW's bonafide Tyranid expert. If Chaos gets anything new it's going to be for Khorne which is strange because GW's an Undivided entity if anything. Sisters? Do we even have be realistic here?

are admech BB with other imperial forces?

The new Mont'ka book is pretty sweet, liking the guard and Tau formations a lot.

But i do have a quick question regading the Earth Caste Pilot relic in the Farsight enclave bit

How can a Riptide make use of it when it's a Signature system? i say this because it clearly says 'Models with suits' and gives a re-roll to the Nova reactor, something only a Riptide has.

This seems like a good way to make the Heavy burst gun a viable pick but i feel they made an error

>>43896545
Each time they put Cruddace in charge of nids the stocks dived on release. I doubt they will do it again, being a company that thinks with their wallets.

Chaos I kind of agree with you on, being a daemon's player. I want new greater daemon models! Stop giving us Khorne stuff! Mind you if they release the other greater daemons and they are the same level of quality as the current BT, I will be very happy.

Even the most optimistic person doesn't see a future for sisters.

>>43896461
Speaking of which, I finally got around to reading Pariah, and...

What the fuck happened? There were some decent "oh shit" moments, and all the Chaos Marines were pretty cool, but where the fuck was the Eisenhorn vs. Ravenor that we were promised?

For that matter, where the fuck's the rest of the trilogy, but I suspect HH is to blame for that.

>>43896574
Yes.

Finally found a potential FLGS that is the same distance as my local gw

They also have a much larger shop and twice the tables.

My hopes are high, checking it out tomorrow!

[Spoiler]Let's hope they let me play Dread Mob[/spoiler]

>>43896661
Farsight enclaves allowed you to give that one sig system to a riptide.
Just equip it to a riptide, if someone calls bullshit punch them in the face.

>>43894197
gay unless apoc with tons of superheavies. In which case, still gay.

>>43896666
>What the fuck happened?
Don't ask me, I stopped reading his books a long time ago.

How do fellow SM players outfit their tactical squads? I'm playing IF and looking for ways to think about equipping my marines.

>>43896666
FOOKIN CHECKED

>>43896759
2 plasma and stick them in a metal box

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>>43896700
It's on the level of the warlord.

>>43896820
What a waste of money and points.

>>43896882
Is useful if you're playing on a board that's too big to have a conventional game on.

>>43896918
It could be a bit of terrain. Hell, you could have multiple missions surrounding a crashed one of these.

>>43896882
But it's Tau and S:D, and has an invul save.. derpdaperdaderp

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>>43896931
I think there used to be a destroy-the-manta mission.
Anyway it's really more of a collector's piece, like the warlord.

>>43896918
even then, an orca would do the same job without costing an arm and a leg

>>43896697
The Farsight book had something that said 'Riptide's can take Sig-systems' yeah? but it seems to have been left out of this book in typical gee-dubs fashion

I just noticed that one guy in The Eight seems to have it, but again he would need some text like that for you to 'build' him.

I guess i'll just have to equip it and say fuck it, i want my fucking burst dakka

>>43896882
Old apoc is ridiculously underpowered compared to new apoc.

>>43896820
A fucking Dropship has as much HP as a Warlord Titan?

>>43896976
That's exactly what you should do.

>>43897000

It's a big Dropship.

>>43897000
wargear

>>43896262
Oh, no doubt, he's an absolute monster in CC; If he can get there. He just has trouble getting there, and if you want a LoW for killing shit there's much better options. (Chaos Knights?)

>>43897049

For you, gue'la.

>>43897049
For you.

>>43897002
>>43896697
Just had a quick google and it is true, the old Farsight book had a thing letting Riptides have relics but they missed that line in the new book

Fucken Gdubsss get your shit together.

On that note, what does /tg/ think of the new guard formations?

>>43896664
>Each time they put Cruddace in charge of nids the stocks dived on release. I doubt they will do it again, being a company that thinks with their wallets.
If GW was smart that is.
>Chaos I kind of agree with you on, being a daemon's player. I want new greater daemon models! Stop giving us Khorne stuff! Mind you if they release the other greater daemons and they are the same level of quality as the current BT, I will be very happy.
>Even the most optimistic person doesn't see a future for sisters.
How hard is it for them to write better rules for the Sisters? I'm thinking they're slwoly forgetting that Sisters exist. The Khayon book mentioned Sisters helping out but where were the Sisters in Montka? They could have at least been a distraction for the Tau. They probably would have been killed off by that thing the AdMech used to anyway. All of them. That's GW grimdark right there.

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Why the fuck are witch elves so expensive, I wanted to convert them to death cult assassins and then convert a sorceress with an axe to be a master of the cult (lv 2 primaris biomancy psyker) but now I need a new idea.

>>43897168
You need a lot of bodies to field the contingent.
The sentinel formation is everything I've ever wanted.

>>43897000
To be fair, it's more of a mothership than a dropship. Think of it as the final boss in one of those spaceship shooters.

>>43897183
Chinaman

>>43897178
Dude, the sisters were centre stage in shield of Baal and got nothing. They were never going to get anything.

emperor class titan...now thats a collectors piece ;)

>>43897183
What codex was this going to be from? You can't get ML2 or Biomancy in Inquisition, I don't think...

>>43893769
Dark Vengeance is shit.
Those are the worst units a Chaos Player would want, except the Cultists.
And if you play Dark Angel, why would you want to pay for Chaos shit?

>>43897344
They'll do it for the assault on Terra
At the very least they'll do one for epic

>>43897347
Inquisition for the cult and a Primaris psyker to join the squad from imperial guard.

>>43896661
It's weird that they removed the "Riptides in FSE list can take signature systems" line, when the Cadians in the same book have a very similar rule (a tank commander can take one of the relics) and when pretty much everything else was copypasted from the FSE book (they didn't even fix the part about bodyguards still having the standard Tau signature systems). That might suggest that the omission was intentional.
Maybe they felt regular Riptides getting rerolls for the nova reactor without taking the formation was too good, but kept the effect on the ECPA so O'vesa (who has it included in his profile) still benefits from it.

>>43897198
looking at this thing now, those sentinels are hella sexy.

>>43890517
Hey Anon, how come none of your Space Marines have eyebrows?

>>43897400
Ah, okay. That makes more sense.

Cool, that sounds awesome, just don't buy from Zhanchui, their infantry models suck shit

>>43897344
>>43897386
Somebody worked out a to-scale Emperor Class would be 4ft tall. So it's unlikely and if they did, it'd be £5k+ easy.

I mean, I want one, but it's pretty silly sizes at that range. Then again, maybe FW has not made them to scale. Warlord isn't.....

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>>43897451
whoops

>>43897453
Insult to the Emperor. Emperor doesn't have eye brows, he doesn't even have a face. So all Space Marines ritually shave them off.

The More You Know! Information vetted and sanctioned by the Holy Inquisition

>>43897477
The Warlord's height is different in every book it appears in, so I think they just went with something somewhat reasonable for the model. It's two feet tall, after all. That's a big fucking chunk of resin.

Can you deploy Darkstriker in an Unbound detachment and then make him join a unit belonging to the Taucurion? I ask because I'm sure Darkstrider is not part of any contingent.

>>43897499
Is it possible to get a multi-melta on a Sentinel outside of Elysians? Because that would be some crazy shit.

>>43897453
I'm pretty sure all mine do, but I wouldn't know as they keep their helmets on. They're not daft.

>>43897521
If it works like the others you can't take a taucurion and unbound together

>>43897466
I've heard the opposite, Zhanchui's infantry is okay, but his vehicles suck.

>>43897553
no, but you get lascannons

>>43897519
I don't think an Emperor is double the size, so £3500 seems reasonable for the Emperor Class?

Which is the largest Emperor Class? Imperator or Warmonger? Why isn't there something bigger? I think there should always be 3 per class.

I mean, Warhound - Reaver - Warlord - Nemesis and so on

>>43897589
>>43897466
>>43897319
I'm not doing recasts, there is an store next to the GW that leeches off their customers because they have discounts on their stuff. I'm going to root around for some wyches but I still need an idea for a good death cult psyker, maybe a more respectable one that isn't in a thong so I can use her in the normal IG army without it looking weird.

>>43897335
I hate false advertisement.

>>43897589
I bought a FW Imperial Knight (seriously, nobody's buying a real one for those prices, jesus christ) and some Centurions and Terminators for conversion bitz.

The Knight was okay, some minor mold issues, but nothing that badly fucked it up and couldn't be fixed with a sharp knife and steady hand. But the Centurions had some pretty fucked-up parts from the molds. They were basically unassembleable, due to warping, and their mold lines were fucking horrible. I was just glad I wasn't going to try to pass them off as actual models, because they were fucked up. The Termies and their weapons were fine enough, though.

I can't say I really recommend the infantry at this point.

If this post triggers anyone, they can fuck off, by the way.

>>43897588

Not even in a standard detachment? Can you use formations that don't belong to a Decurion?

>>43897335
Not really, they were important, sure, but not centre stage. They were a way of showing how savage Flesh Tearers are.

Or, you could be right, it could have simply been GW testing the water to see if SoB sales increased due to their inclusion. Which is fucking STUPID as nobody wants 15 year old ugly all metal models which are so expensive that it shocks you than GW even has numbers that go that high.

At the time, SoB were some of the best models ever made. That obviously didn't sell them.

Now kits are more detailed than ever and even they're not as expensive as SoB are right now.

>>43897682
See above, was probably a simple market test. Or somebody at GW likes SoB. We know Kelly and Crudance like SoB and Kelly has specifically said if he was allowed he'd do a SoB codex, maybe jointly. But that's all we've heard since the "they can't do detailed enough minis due to robes, fluers and hair of SoB". That went out the window when 6th edition Dark Angels came out and the Sisters of Slaughter and Witch Elves for WHFB, which had insane hair.

>>43897798
You can take other detachments and formations, you just can't have unbound and non formation deatchments together

>>43897798
>Can you use formations that don't belong to a Decurion?

Fairly sure you can.

Just take a CAD the one with 1 hq and 2 troops and use Darkstrider as the HQ slot., ally that to your Taucurion hunter cadre thing

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>>43895263
Victoria miniatures makes female IG components as well as male conversion kits too. Bought from them before and they are great quality kits.

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The Proof Chicken would smile now that hard head here finally sees the proof.
>>43897845
>We know Kelly and Crudance like SoB
>Crudance like SoB
Huh. Well that's something I didn't expect.

>>43897589
Zanchui's recasts of plastic kits are usually pretty good, especially the small stuff. Bigger things and recasts of resin are extremely hit and miss. Sometimes you can heat up the resit in hot water and fix the warping, other times its trash.

I don't like CCON's resin personally, I find it a lot harder to work with and it required a lot of Milliput work to fix up (bubbling like failcast).

WarDream was the best.

>>43897921
Or I might be misremebering, it's either one of them was asked at a Q&A and they said they liked the army.

I think Crudance did a SoB army last year in a 2v2 tournament, he allied with Space Wolves.

I think it was Kelly who said he'd like to do the codex.

>>43897976
I fucking love Phil Kelly. His rules can be hit or miss, but God, you can tell he gives a shit, you know?

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>>43897976
>I think it was Kelly who said he'd like to do the codex.
Hopefully it wouldn't be a disappointment like this. No raptors, no Obliterators.

>>43897845
I just can't wrap my head around why they're so reluctant to release Sisters. Yes, I get it, it costs a bunch of money to hire sculptors and make new molds and shit like that, but they did it for Admech. They would have had to add a bunch of designers, too, since it was all new stuff, so that raised cost. They released them with relatively small buildup. And yet they've sold quite well, from everything I've heard. Made good money for GW.

So here's the critical points: GW releases new faction with all-new models. Note that most of these models are in billowing, flowing robes, have very dynamic poses, and are covered in very small, fine detail. The Skitarii models were wildly popular upon release, with many anons saying they bought kits just because the models looked so cool. GW proceeded to make loads of dosh, if their stock was anything to go by.

So why the fuck, when presented with a popular, distinctive army with a pre-built fanbase that is sure to snap up any new releases, are they so reluctant to do ANYTHING with Sisters? The molding has vastly improved, so they can do damn near anything they want with them. GW is financially very stable at the moment. I've seen hundreds of die-hard fans desperate for an update.

Where is it? Why has it not occurred? Is there some mysterious background force preventing them from being released? Is GW scared of SJWs being bitchy about the fact that they wear boobplate? That's the only thing I can think of.

Fuck, that was a rant.

>>43896029

read the wiki

>>43898081
Because all of the 30k Admech stuff sold like hotcakes, and Sisters have never really been a big-seller.

>>43895971

dead men walking

Best way to load out an Imperial Knight Crusader?
I play Blood Angels so I'm looking for range support.
The Battle Cannon seems good but so does the Thermal Cannon. I really can't decide.

I play some tau and some necrons, and so I'm trying to increase my army to a larger scale since I plan to play mostly in apoc games from now on.

Considering three crisis suits, or any of the other larger suits for tau, are about 70 bucks or more would it be cheaper and smarter to just buy necron battleforces and convert the warriors into whatever forces I need such as flayed ones?

The second question is since there's still the transcendant c'tan LoW entry in apoc, would it be too assholish to request to run using those rules for it rather than the... really hard to like necron codex one when I know I'm going to facing the possibility of super heavies like baneblades?

>>43898124
But they've never been a big seller because their models haven't been updated since, what, the early nineties?

It's a recursion. GW won't update them because they haven't sold, but they won't sell because GW hasn't updated them.

>>43898205
But they weren't big sellers when the models were current.

>>43898146
Both are good, but if you don't know, take the Battlecannon.

I mainly use the melta, myself, but that's because I use the Knight as a linebreaker. It's usually blown up around turn 4, because I use it really aggressively. But you already have linebreakers (Death Company and DC Dreads!), so I recommend having it sit back and pound enemy lines with the cannon. Probably get one of the carapace-mounts, too, they're all pretty good and help a lot with the fire-support role.

>>43898205
They don't sell because GW markets to teenage boys and men in their 20s. Sisters of Battle generally don't appeal to either of those groups.

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>>43898266
>Hot women don't appeal to the 14-25 demographic

>>43898318
You misunderstand, guys aged 14-25 want to be the badass who saves the day and gets the girl, they don't want to be the girl.

>>43898265
Well here's the main concern I have. It still has the Gatling Cannon no matter which other weapon you choose. The Gatling Cannon has only a 36" range so obviously you need to be within that range to make use of it. That's also the range of the Thermal Cannon.

If I choose the Battlecannon instead and just sit back and lob shells from the table edge then I'm not making use of the Gatling Cannon.
I could probably hang back and just shoot at anything that tries to get close to the Knight but then I've paid an extra 50 points for a gun that I'm only using occasionally.

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Am I the only one not in awe at the melee capabilities Tau got in mont'ka?

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There was the out of control caption above the Weridboy. Did I invalidate its warranty?

>>43898513
considering we've had the I2 motherfuckers dodging bullets in various shitty novels, I don't think anyone is in awe

>>43898513
> tau
> melee

Explain

>>43898640
They added more monsterous creatures, clumsy ones but high strength and ap2 none the less, and now they added a formation for them them improves their ability to charge in to combat so they can crush people.

>>43898909
Most overwatch isn't going to do much to ghostkeels

So if I want an elite drop pod squad in a Blood Angels army for heavily armored stuff, is there any reason to run melta Sterngaurds over melta Command Squads?

>>43898953
maybe not but it's still a buff.

Where the fuck were the kroot and vespid in Mont'ka? Where the fuck were the kroot and vespid in Kauyon?

>>43899034
waiting for FW as GW gives about as many fucks about their model line as Sisters

>>43898603
Happens sometimes when you kill them. Same with tanks.

>>43899000
Base ppm, IIRC. Might be a little cheaper for what is basically a suicide unit.

You may actually consider inferno pistols for Death Company, as they may at least have a little bit of utility after melta-ing everything in range.

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>>43898492
I'm sorry, what was that?

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>Half of the Fire Caste forces on Perfectia were sent in aid in the explotation of the Dovar System - suppressing or eradicating native populations
>mfw
Tau aren't so nice are they?
>>43899181
Would he not explode if he was red?

>>43899292
You heard me.

>>43898909
I had a ghostkeel charge into some thousand sons last week. Aspiring sorcerer had a power axe, and the rest folded like butter. Ws2 still hits on 4's with 4 attacks at ap2, it hurts.

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>>43899034
You seem to be confused, the Tau don't have any infantry, all they have is mechs.

What's your opinion on the new Blood Angels Chappy?

>>43898909
>>43899393
Fuck me sideways, the Tau do everything now, don't they?

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>>43893439
>tfw no one wants to play Orks anymore

>>43899414
MCs can CC if they need to but will still lose to any dedicated CC unit, the actual weakness of their standard units folding like rice-paper hasn't changed.

>>43893439
Blood Angels, do it for Sanguinius.

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>>43899449
Orks are the army you want to see someone play but would never play yourself. You see I love my models, I make up little names and backstories for them during the long nights spent painting them because it's fun and I get attached to them as weird as it sounds.

I could build some Orks and do just that but it would kill me to know that little facesmasha is never actally going to smash anyone face because he's so shit he never survives to see combat.
It would kill me inside to know that my guys were total, irredeemable shit.

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>>43894197
>Spatial Rift
so by turn three you have 3 10' holes that you cant walk on top of anymore....

>>43899477
>any dedicated CC unit that hasn't been utterly annhilated by multiple units overwatching at BS5 into them
ftfy, bruv

>>43899529
Spatial rift only lasts until the controlling players next turn

I want to know how the Tau assumed the RG chapter master was the "King of Space Marines" or that they thought the previous trashing would set them back. If they have knowledge about the Horus Heresy was all of that just Tau propaganda?

>>43899575
ahh, still BRUTAL but slightly less

>>43899714
Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to figure out who the top dog is. Did the tau actually reference the HH at all in the new books?

His death was clearly there to not only kill off a someone important but to also make the far more popular shrike the boss. If you asked who the chapter master of the ravenguard was a year ago barely anyone would actually know without searching it up. He was completely irrelevant.

>>43899714
They assumed some rando was Slaanesh because cultists were shouting "for Slaanesh" and had a boss. The Boss is the big boss, Tau assume this because they have no info contradicting it, and it makes good propaganda for the water cast.

>>43899564
>multiple units at BS5
because Tau have 24 markerlights to fire per unit and you can't make multiple charges with scrubs to negate overwatch or anything.

>>43899449

>>43899518 makes a really good point about how it's not just painful to play them now but it's also painful to fluff them up too.

Which is why I'm green stuffing my boyz to be run as a bunch of looting gitz who got lucky enough to come upon a Space Hulk that once carried Skitarii.

>all the fun of Ork modeling and fluff
>but none of the shittacular table stats!

>>43899871
>Did the tau actually reference the HH at all in the new books
Didn't they raid a world that had knowledge on it? I guess it's only a higher up thing.
>>43899951
Tau assume a lot of things and like to jump to conclusions don't they?

>>43900046
>Tau jump to conclusions
the entirety of their fluff, right there