Shadowrun General - Better Than Life edition

>>43877586
Offline.

You're seriously going with a fetish related question right off the bat?

State of your /srg/ mate.

School Girl. Demure. French.

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Replying to someone from the previous thread since it died when I was typing.
>>43870281
So pure aug fist fighter ? Huh, I'd like to try that out. Since the character will be very pretty I might as well have them surgery rather than natural beauty, showing that she's all about upgrades and implants.

Any specs I should look into if I want to go purely for kicking rather than punching ?

If it's a Barrens "forced into doll-ing" parlor, free the girls and burn down the parlor. Proceed to be hunted by the Yakuza. Worth it for the bonus karma for hooding.

Failing that, just slot a BTL of my waifu and it'll be more fun

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>>43877912
Someone wants to make a battlewaifu.

But I do get to use this pic I've been sitting on for a while.

>Corp Secretary
>Spicy
>Italian

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>>43877874
>>43877614
It was either that or riggers, and nobody seems to like riggers. Wanna talk about guns and mods and drones, chummer? No? Thought so.

>>43877912
Raptor legs? Take a look at the martial arts? Implant shockers into feet instead of hands?

>>43877586
>>43877920
The real danger of BTL is that since it taps directly into those parts of your brain and is so vivid, that real life seems dull and shitty and unreal by comparison.

>>43878025
That's a spicy meatball.

>>43878080
Yeah, but the other danger is that you might not like 2D girls as much. And you wouldn't go about doing that, would you, anon?

Plus, if I spend time with a bunraku doll, I'm not spending time with my e-ghost gf

>>43878074
I was trying to be creepy, not no-sell the conversation starter. An "offline" bunraku. As in, blank. Motionless.
Honestly I'd probably go Virgin/Spicy Secretary or something. Don't have a lot of options visible.

>>43878080
Talk dirty to me you fucking wageslave.

>tfw my players have made totally sex-crazed drug-addicted retards as characters
>tfw I match them with my female trainspotting NPC crew.

>>43878117
>friday night
>pick favourite bunraku
>slot in BTL
>establish connection with e-ghost grill

And you wake up the next day feeling empty, shitty, and alive dammit ALIVE.

>>43877920
>try to free the girls from a yak-run parlor
>yaks beat you to pulp
>wake up on a doc's table
>be slotted with a chip of your waifu

>>43878080
You might want to retract that "unreal" part. BTL has a long way to go towards inception levels of fantasy. The dry life is real, just unimaginably shitty.
Null endorphin, chummer.

>>43878173
I once had the team face try to seduce a corp secretary. He rolled amazingly well got her on a date and got the info. Then when he tried to break it off she seduced him, he glitched on his roll.

They ended up dating for 18 months until he ate a molotov cocktail from an angry Halloweener.

>>43878148
Unless the girl is a burned-out beetlehead or a wimp, she is a person even when not slotting anything.
Or do you mean a wimp personafix?

>>43878274
>face
Where they are going they don't need a face.

I feel bad for yours, however. He could have settled down.

Looking to run a campaign, never really played nor have my players. They're not going to bother to read the rules. And in all likelihood would ask me to make their characters for them...

I'm going to do it in roll20 where I can make a macro for everything, but anyone know any good reference sheets for various common rolls.

Also been having some trouble with getting the initiative tracker working properly via macro in roll20 any protips there? Not a huge deal if not, found a good excel sheet which can track it well.

>>43877586
fuck yaya

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Related question: How much do you think a personalized bunraku doll program costs?

I want to have an NPC who is deep in debt with the Yaks because every evening he buys a puppet to share supper with him

The puppet is slotted with a recreation of his dead wife

>>43878970
>reference sheets

Go to OP, open pastebin, take out the things labeled 'cheat sheets and reference guides'.

Also, if they don't read the rules before the campaign, it's going to go very poorly; SR is a clunky game and they should at least be familiar with the basics of their characters.

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>>43879067
A personalized option for a program costs 1kNy (simsense option, unrated), though that's intended for skillsoft.
From what I've read in previous editions, personalized BTLs are highly addictive; addictiveness option is 1kNy per rating and that adds to addiction rating of the base program.
(see Unwired for this stuff)

Now, we need a base cost. Sim Dreams and Nightmares has a handy table, see pic.

>>43879131
>Also, if they don't read the rules before the campaign, it's going to go very poorly; SR is a clunky game and they should at least be familiar with the basics of their characters.

Our first three games we managed to avoid combat by doing tons of legwork and planning. When we ended up actually getting into a fight it took 4 hours.

Get your players to read atleast their fucking sections.

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>>43879274
>>43879067
Now, just to be thorough, here are the base addiction ratings for various drugs, simsense stuff included.

>>43879330
>>43879274
Thanks, the first table had it; I imagine that the price of the drm-stripped personafix is close enough to hiring someone to build one from scratch for you.

>>43879479
drm-stripped is just
>have someone to build one
I believe that
>for you
is covered by addiction option - the more personalized it is, the more addictive,

>>43879131
Oh wow, missed that line completely. Thanks this'll help

>>43879067
The yaks wouldn't really care what program he's sticking in the girl's head. When it comes to charging for the girls they'd primarily be concerned with time and.. damages.

>tfw my favorite shadowrun concept is a Ghoul from chicago
>tfw just being in the outside world is a BTL for him

>>43878970

SR GM on roll20 here. I find macros to be worth more trouble than the time they save. It's easier to add initiative manually. Dice macros exist for shadowrun on roll20, but I never used them, cause I heard they suck a little.

If you know how to make dice macros, making good ones on your own won't take long at all.

>>43878362
>He could have settled down.
That's sellout talk chum.

>>43877586
That nipple looks really out of place.

So in the last thread people talked about housing. While the overall population may be smaller due to various issues, remember that a large amount of the population is SINless, and typically doesn't have real housing.

Also, while urban sprawl may be huge in areas like Seattle and Atlanta, there's lots of it also used for manufacturing and industry. Lots of D and E Zones are used for industry in addition to cheap housing. I imagine quite a lot is owned by various corporations (anything from small ones to AAA megas) and thus only leased out to their own corpdrones, or only part of it is leased out to the public with the rest reserved.

Not to mention other parts of land are simply zoned out for future office buildings, testing grounds, storage, etc.

It's why arcologies are popular with those that can afford to build them. In a fairly compact space you have living and working quarters, keeping your workers in a small box.

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What is riggering like in S5? Is it fleshed out? I have an idea for a chaacter but I like vehicles and not drones really. How exactly are drones and cars and vehicles different?

>>43881871
Wait for Rigger 5 or be sorely disappointed. Your pick.

>>43881871

Unfortunately, not as complete as 4E. We don't have a rigger book for 5E (yet, it's in the works). Right now you can be a rigger with drones and vehicles and all manner of things, but customization and more is rather lacking.

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This is how I rig. Did I get it right, /srg/?

I ran Food Fight tonight
>2 quit
but everyone who stayed had fun.
I wish combat was a little faster though.

What would a spirit do if it liked you (after you'd run out of services)? Would they just stick around as a free spirit or let you bind them or just give you their formula?

>>43883188
Depends on the spirit, but a reasonable response would be to probably offer a favor or two, with a caveat that if they don't like what they're being asked to do, you can go fuck yourself. What qualifies as "icky," in regards to favors probably varies from spirit to spirit.

>>43883188
I figure unless you guys were the closest of buddies, the formula is a no go. Give the Player a dice pool bonus to binding though.

>>43883188
I should add that the character has the Spirit Whisperer quality and is a very experienced shaman.

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>>43883343
But is he as powerful as Shaggy?

>>43877586

Turbo Bunny. She is the best at being a chiphead.

Reminds me to get some tg drawfriend to draw her and Cherry Bomb doing what female elves do best: getting gangbanged

>>43883188
Depends on the spirit, I say give its formula so the mortal can call on you again in a time of need.

Or move into their house and become their waifu

>>43877983
Seems more like a feint rather than a miss turned into a hit, but hey. Cool webm, bro.

>>43883482
While you're at it, add Kat to that mix and make it happening on a plane.

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>>43884030
You don't get to bring friends.

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>>43884768
Stat the masked man.

Hey, SRG.
I'm a first-time player looking to get into the system, but I'm running low on inspiration and even lower on rules understanding.

How does a character like this sound?

>Pennin Taylor
>Street Name: Magic Man

>Grew up with a vast appreciation for stage magicians, sleight of hand, and pyrotechnics
>Fuck yeah awakened as a mage

...now what? I'm not sure where to go with a character like this, other than the painfully obvious route. I'm supposed to be slotting in as the main damage dealer for the party. How should I be distributing attributes and skill points?

>>43885390
It's vital that you decide on his education now. Did he actually go to Magic University? Learn on the street? Hell, become an apprentice to another type like him (it's not the most uncommon backstory, I have to admit). To decide on that you could/should decide on his family. Rich or poor? Corpers, normmal people or SINless?

>>43885390
>>43885465
I'll proceed. For attributes you'll just need Willpower and your Drain Attribute maxed, then probably some Body (if you need to overcast and well, for general not dying, especially since you go combat mage) and then what all runners need, Intuition and Reaction.
As for skills, you should think about going rather spirit-heavy. A mage is imho wasted as a damage dealer, if you go combat spells, you'll geek yourself before the other team gets to geek you, with all that drain all-around. You can also think about doing buff spells on your teammates, which can end up more effective than Stunballing everybody by yourself.

Oh, and don't forget getting a mentor spirit!

>>43885390
>and even lower on rules understanding

You will need to correct that, because Shadowrun is a very crunchy, obtrusive, and poorly designed game.

Magic is at its worst when dealing straight damage, outside of a few corner-cases. You can deal a lot of damage with spells, but you're going to eat a lot of drain in the process so you can only cast a few big spells in a run before incapacitating yourself.

Guns and grenades work very well, and mages tend to carry them as well if only to keep from standing out.

Mages draw much of their strength from their versatility - they can cast damage spells, but they can also cast a lot of other spells, summon spirits, and counter enemy magic.

>>43885618
>Magic is at its worst when dealing straight damage, outside of a few corner-cases.
I actually know only of one, and that is the Witness My Hate quality. Which fucks you, but (normally) lets you fuck everyone else before.

>>43885691
I was thinking of using mana spells against living opponents with absurdly high armor (the classic cybertroll), actually.

Witness My Hate effectively just lets you cast spells at a higher force before taking phys instead of stun drain. I guess if you've got a pain editor it makes a difference.

>>43883482
>>43884030
Don't forget /dev/grrl. She's even legal in the state she lives in.

>>43883482
>>43884030
>>43885753
I clearly haven't been paying attention to the metaplot at all because I don't recognize any of these names.

pics plz

>>43885465
>>43885607
>>43885618

What I'm hearing is that fireball mage is a really bad idea, haha.

How about Chaos Magic from Street Grimoire, so I can take intuition as the spellcasting attribute (that's how it works, yeah?) followed up by a spread of:

BOD: 3
AGI: 4
REA: 4
STR: 1
CHA: 2
INT: 6
LOG: 3
EDG: 3
MAG: 6

This makes for a bloke with minimal physical strength, but pretty impressive raw magical talent and understanding. Decent reaction and agility combine to keep him alive, and he's already a little naturally lucky.

No studious magical background, other than watching the con artists on the street work their own brand of magic. (This lets me use Street for knowledge skills?) SINless in the urban jungle seems reasonable for this.


What's the importance of Mentor Spirit? It didn't seem that really impressive.

>>43885783
There's no pics of /dev/grrl but she was brought into 4ed as a loli hacker because if you don't include at least one child hacking prodigy you lose your cyberpunk license.

>>43885824

any time frame on the rigger book? god damn..

>>43885786
>What I'm hearing is that fireball mage is a really bad idea, haha.
Yep. Well, a fireball here and then is fine, too, and may be a very good part of a tactic, but not a fireball per round. You either fireball them to soften them up or to mop up at the end. In-between you work with conventional means and/or spirits.

Chaos magic is pretty great and was actually what I thought about with this guy.

Attribute spread looks very solid, as long as nobody expects you to face (which some people automatically expect of mages).
Look at all the Int-linked skills, and buy some of them, it's a nice synergy. A fuckhueg Perception pool is a VERY nice thing to have.

These +2 Dice in SEVERAL things is very useful, and a bargain for the 5 karma. Also it gives you something really, really nice to roleplay with. Also don't forget to get a specialisation in whatever your mentor gives you a bonus in. Suddenly, it's +4 for for example a spirit type. Rolling 16 dice is way better than rolling 12.

>This lets me use Street for knowledge skills?
Nope. Sorry, omae.

>>43885786
>>43885918
Ah, forgot to mention. You could think about going meta. Elf boosts Agility and Cha, Dwarf boosts Willpower, you could even think about going Orc, because a tuxedo street magician orc is friggin awesome and also because you apparently are supposed to get in fights a lot. And well, orcs get no Int malus.

>>43885786
>>43885918
>>43885954
Shit, still forgot some things. First of all you forgot to mention your Willpower in your attribute spread. And then I wanted to expand on the Street and Knowledge bit. Each singular Knowledge skill is put in one of 4 types, and Street is well, for stuff you can legitimately describe as "street knowledge", like Safehouses, Fixers, Gangs, maaaybe Police Procedures. Capisce?

What defines a "drone". Like can a weapon or gun become a "drone"? I think I remember seeing that there is some kind of tripod turret that can be purchased and it functions automatically?? Would a rigger be able to rig into it? What CAN'T a rigger interface with in terms of machines or whatever? I know it has to have a rigger interface but what can a rigger interface be placed onto?

>>43885918
Oh man, a second look at Mentor Spirit actually is pretty nice.
Do you suppose Cat is appropriate? Toying with opponents, illusion spells, and staying limber feel "right" for the character.

>>43885954
Meta is off the table, I'm afraid. We're keeping this a humies-only party for now. I'd love to do sleight-of-hand with hands the size of dinner plates, but some other time.

>>43886001
Shoot, I did.
WIL: 5

I think so. It's less dependent on the circumstances of the skill, and more on what the skill entails, right?

Thanks for all this help. It's really nice to have someone able to give suggestions and give guidance on a new system. You rock, anon.

>>43885893
January. They sacked the person writing it and then decided to rewrite the whole thing or something retarded like that.

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>>43885390
>>Pennin Taylor

>>43886060

what the fuck? God dammit!!! I just want to be a fucking good vehicle rigger. Fuck game of DRONES.

Also, is the best rigger vehicle the ares road master. Its big, armored, seats a lot of people and LEGAL.

>>43886028
A "drone" is generally something with a Pilot rating. Or, in other words, a device that can operate independently and with at least some basic logic to it. A rigger interface is for jumping in, which isn't necessary to be a drone, strictly speaking. AFAIK you can install it everywhere with a sensor array and some action it can perform, unless your GM says no.

>>43886070
I'll be sure to mention drop that line in game, thank you.
I nearly forgot.

>>43886080

Now... can any drone theoretically be controlled via rigger remote control thingy? What is that shit called in s5.. rigger command console? Hell, why do they even have this damned thing? Is it actually useful to link all your shit like that?

>>43886049
Cat is one of my favourite Mentors out there. But I would check in on your GM/group about it if you're supposed to be a damage dealer.

That Willpower is golden, and you're right about the knowledge skills stuff.

>>43886103
All drones can be remotely controlled even without it. You just use their AR controls, that's what the Control Device action is for.

The RCC is for running autosofts and controlling drone armies, basically.

And that's where my knowledge ends, I don't actually know a lot about rigging.

Could a mage get away with using Agony instead of having a weapon skill?

>>43886880
>Could a mage get away with using WHATEVER instead of having a weapon skill?
No. Just buy your 5–6 points in Automatics or Pistols (+spec) and call it a day. That's enough for either suppressive fire, which is a great contribution to a fight, or to tase a motherfucker with an absolutely legal weapon you can take almost everywhere

>>43886906
>WHATEVER
I dunno, I've found that spirits are a nice replacement for weapon skills.

>>43887069
You can shoot a gun while being on 8 boxes down on your stun damage track. If you summon shit their, you'd get knocked out. And we haven't even started talking about background counts and similar pleasantries. It's a great alternative, don't get me wrong, but nothing is as safe and controlled as having a gun (or other mundane combat methods). You always need a safe backup.

>>43881400
I am too soft for this world omae.

>>43886906
About spells and drain, I feel actually hard to get hit by drain in SR5 since I have 12 dice to resist.

>>43887266
F+3 spell on Force 6 should be enough, Hell, statistically F–1 at Force 6 should hurt a little bit. And there are enough spells you sometimes need to cast at 6.

>>43887069
Pulling a gun will not get you shot as reliably as pulling a focus will.

>>43884030

Nine Tales or Kane's Kat? I know there is at least one piece of official art lying about of TB but not surecabout Kat of Nine Tales

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>>43886103
The RCC has two big functions

1) It can store and run autosofts for your drones. Most drones only have one autosoft slot, so they're very limited in what they do. The RCC is basically external memory that lets drones be more flexible.

2) Without an RCC, you can only give commands to one drone at a time, as you access each one individually. An RCC lets you give commands to all your drones, or whichever ones you specifically select. It's necessary if you want to have a drone swarm.

>>43888370

Lookin' good, Triss

If PANs don't hide hot stuff like guns and other restricted items, is it viable to use Wrapper to mask them? Or would it still be obvious if something innocuous such as an RFID tag stood out for no good reason?

>>43888556
I believe you could always set those devices to running silent. Makes it so they have to roll IN+Computer against your LOG+Sleaze and they only get to roll if they suspect there's something running silent and are trying to look for it.

>>43888616
Meant to say INT+Computer

>>43888616
>>43888636
So basically if they physically frisk you and find nothing, there's really no reason for them to suspect hidden icons, unless they're being super thorough.

Is there a hard limit to the number of Striking Calluses you can have? I'm looking around and can't find anything. They're pretty cheap and ineffective and I'm always a slut for punching.

Guys, I thought about buying Sleeping Tiger suit for my infiltrator-bioadept. But RAW it'd seem that I'd need to enable wireless in order to collect on those cool sneaking bonuses, which is obviously a poor idea if I'm going to head into any compound with basic Matrix security. Am I reading this right?

Also, the "ruthenium polymer coating" upgrade doesn't need the wireless to be enabled, yes?

>>43888700
From what it looks like in the book, a purchase grants you a pair, either on your hands or on your feet. So basically, you could get two pairs, one for your hands and one for your feet. It says for each pair you get +1 unarmed damage. I would, if I was running a game, only allow the two pairs to be purchased. That's just me though. Another GM might allow you to take it to strengthen the blows from your elbows or knees as well. Guess it just depends on your GM's discretion.

>>43888714
The Sleeping Tiger's RPC function is listed as a wireless bonus, so I would treat it as such. RPC's description doesn't mention wireless functionality, so I would waive the wireless requirement for standalone RPC that's added aftermarket. Talk to your GM.

Also, >Sleeping Tiger infil

>>43888762
Alright, I'll talk to my GM about it. Thanks!

>>43886028
Smart firing platform can turn a gun into something like a drone. It doesn't seem to be able to be hooked into a RCC but you can give it commands and targeting info.
There's also an accessory from Arsenal that lets your gun crawl around and adjust position.

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What's the best way to be a Face that can get a bunch of cool shit for the party and also contribute shit to the party if a fight goes down? My buddy, who is a badass Face already, is getting a little bored of staying in the van with our creepy-ass Rigger when everybody else is getting stuck in.

I told him him that he could try and go the Mage route or maybe excel at using explosives, but he wants to try and be a slickback operator instead. What should he do?

>>43877920
My team did something similar. We accidentally rescued six puppets from a Chinatown bunraku parlor and I'm stuck "babysitting" them because my lifestyle has the best security. We're going into business for ourselves to earn extra money and if the yaks try to take them back, we send their bosses back their heads in boxes.

Are AI characters good for anything in 5e?

>>43886079
And about as subtle as... well, an Ares Roadmaster. Can't get around that by painting "Legitimate Delivery Service, Ltd." on the side.

>>43889493
Automatics, covering fire. Longarms, sniping. Or grenades, there's a nice variety of gases to confuse and disorient.

>>43888765
I don't remember the exact wording (away from my books), but the R&G errata changed wireless on all the RPC clothing. Think it removed the requirement to have it enabled.

>>43888370

does drone armies take about a lot of time? I hate to be that guy and slow the game down.

>cyberdeck attributes are an abstraction of the software grade it uses
>can only be increased or changed with electronic parts
Why?

>>43890206
Why do you ask questions to which you provide the answer yourself already?

>>43890206
You gotta install more RAM before your Cyberdeck can run the new software well. Something something CGL doesn't know what they are doing.

>>43890206
Consider how a real computer works. Gotta add in new processors, RAM, etc. to make it work better and support more software. Having it take unrepairable Matrix damage is a balancing act.

Okay chummers I got a session tomorrow and so far my players are low-charisma drugheads with no contacts except the drug dealer, the stripper and the prostitute they saved last time. I don't want to railroad them too much so I got to be ready to everything.

In their situation, what would you do ?

>>43889493
Give him an LMG, have him lay down suppression fire

>>43890477
Organised Crime. Get involved.
Also buy and resell drugs, of course. And take your own product.

>>43890536
They can get in touch with the mafia easily I guess, since we play in Italy. Good point. Maybe street gangs too ?

>>43890607
Oh definitely.
The proper Mafia has no interest getting involved with drugheads. But there's always a middle man for everything.

>>43889672
This really. Grenades are cool as suppressing fire is just good.

>>43890633
Well I'd say that the mafia wouldn't really want to work with them if they are totally unknown.

>>43889799
Well, considering you'll be ordering several devices to take several actions, it really depends on if those actions require rolls or not. If you order 5 drones to all attack something, you'll be making attack rolls for all five of those drones, so it can potentially bog things down.

>>43890477
>>43890536
Also, the decker stole the commlink of a guy that was part of a team followed by a Shiawase VTOL.

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>>43884951
Had a player make Bane once. He had crazy unarmed and spent all his karma on martial arts.

It was awesome.

Pic related was the character's 'backstory'

>>43890982
Not a single crashed plane?

>>43891165
>not setting that as a character goal

>>43891165
>>43891194
The opening of the game involved the other runners breaking him out of Impell Prison.

Two crashed planes and 3 helicopters

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>>43891411
>Impell Prison

>>43891850
You know it

Just combined with the Pit from the Dark Knight

>>43890982
Did he have Enemy (CIA)?

Also:

>Date of arrest: 2014
>Metatype: Ork

Either this guy's had some serious Leonization done in the past 60 years, or he's not the same Bane as the one who was arrested in Cairo.

>>43892471
It was a custom setting, so 2014 is roughly 2060 by the normal shadowrun timeline.

Post cute trolls

>>43892718
sod off trogfucker

>>43892471
And yes, he had Enemy: CIA and enemy: FBI

Anyone have the called shots cheat sheet saved?

>>43877912
>Posting MLP
Wry

Does anyone have a compiled list of all the life modules? I hate having to bust out all of the books for it.

>>43890982
adept or mystic adept ?

>>43878274
Making the players roll to avoid being seduced (or persuaded, or anything) seems like a bad idea.

>>43893253
Full adept

Killing hands, mystic armor, lots of stuff

>>43892742
Keep that racist drek to yourself, omae.

>>43889640
There's a trick you can do with bumrushing personas out of their deck, but all in all they're fairly terrible.

>>43893333
Seems very fitting in that case. It was the exact same character he himself seduced before, after all.

>>43894878
I'd settle down with a hot corporate secretary. Everyone sells out sooner or later, the trick is to sell yourself out at a good price, in a way that benefits you. 'Running is a means to an end, not the end itself.

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>>43877586
Is it improper to spend all of the earnings from a job on a highly customized bunraku? it's a birthday gift, my character even asked the recipient about her fetishes in advance

>>43895898
OOC or IC? OOC, no problem as long as all the other people involved don't have issues. IC the other character miiight have some issues with that, but who knows.

>>43895898
Depends on the recipient, depends on whether the Bunraku is willing, depends on a bunch of things, really.

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>>43896169
>Depends on the recipient
Constantly cheery and optimistic street sammy, in any situation.

>depends on whether the Bunraku is willing
My runner didn't specify, and let the yaks just do their thing

>>43895923
>IC the other character miiight have some issues with that
You're already a professional criminal, right? This couldn't be worse than some of the stuff runners do, right?

>>43896702
Runners probably aren't good people and are, in fact, almost certainly pretty bad people, but there is a distinction between bad stuff you do for work and bad stuff that you do recreationally.

>>43896702
A pretty classic background is "former bunraku puppet" or equivalent, depending on location. Some people also have lines they won't cross. As with any gift, figure out your recipient before you surprise them. Same reason you don't give a child of alcoholics a bigass jug of whiskey.

>ever giving yaks money

I seriously hope you chummers don't do this.

>>43896892

>> Implying you can always avoid giving the yakuza money.

>>43897067
I do it by giving the Triads money instead. Eat it yaks!

>>43897067
I give money to the Vory.
Fuck the angle-eyes.

>>43896169
aren't Bunraku puppets by definition unwilling?

>>43897472
No. A lot of Bunraku dolls are just doing it as a form of prostitution where they don't have to remember what they had to do for the clients. They essentially go to sleep and wake up sore and a bit richer and go about their regular business until it's time to work again.
The problem with Bunraku comes, obviously, when the dolls aren't allowed to ever turn the personafixes off.

What kind of concept would fit a Hermetic mentor spirit? Are there any spiritual beings traditionally associated with Hermeticism? Obviously you have angels and demons via the link between Hermeticism and Kabbalah, and you have Paracelsus's elementals. Does Hermeticism have any association with any other kinds of supernatural critters?

>>43897931
Any kind of Mentor who decided it would be fun to work with a Hermetic.
Snake's always good.

Is there a Mac version of Chummer? If not, why not?

>>43881228
>L
>implying
Remove undead REMOVE UNDEAD

>>43897931

Spirits thought of as ghosts, or memories. Some mages might decide that a mentor spirit might just be a manifestation of their subconscious.
Probably Fire-Bringer, Dragon Slayer, Blacksmith, Artisan, Wise Warrior r Great Mother could work.

Christian Theuges, Khabbalah and Islamic could easily believe in messenger angels or Saints.

>>43898049
Mostly because if I'm not going to be paid to work on something, it'll be for something I can actually use.

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>>43897547
"ok so do you agree to let us install cyberware that will allow us to turn your consciousness on or off basically at the flip of a switch?"
"sure!"

I can't imagine that ever going wrong, jesus. It's hard in the Sprawl.

>>43898257
That's why the whole "willing bunraku" thing is usually confined to mom and pop brothels, while the vory/yaks/whoever else usually doesn't give THEIR puppets the option.

>>43898324
>mom and pop brothels
"Imma head down to Grandma Tate's Whores and Blackjack Emporium for some Benraku doll time!"

>>43898352
Well, Gramma Tate's pension ain't cutting it these days. You do what you gotta do.

>>43898092
You seem to just be listing mentor spirits that the book describes as humanoid. Mentor spirits are just archetypes though. The book explicitly says that their superficial appearance can be different for different beliefs.

>>43898352
>Grandma Tate is a friendly old lady with outdated cyberlimbs that can still crush a man's skull and let her jump one floor up
>sometimes she joins the Blackjack desk (on the house, duh) and talks stories of the beginnings of shadowrunning as a profession
>no one dares doubt her stories

>>43889493

Start getting connections to mercs and thugs. Pay them to act as fodder.

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I need a new Shadowrun-Character, anyone have any interesting concepts that aren't too cookie cutter?

>>43898511
What role do you intend to fill?

>>43889660
Just paint "Legit secure transport" or something. Armored cars are fairly common irl.

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I need pictures, Parker! Pictures of female orks that AREN'T Chica!

>>43898511
This question is bad and you should feel bad.
Play a student who gets into running to write a project about runners.

>>43898949

Oh wow, I'm the one who requested that pic years ago. Small world.

>>43898388
Not necessarily humanoid, but human concepts. It's dead easy for a hermetic to think they have an imaginary friend that they bounce ideas off of, some larger-than-life figure that might be their subconscious or a thought construct.

I know one who talked to Robespierre (as the Mountain) because he thought that magic inherently broke mortal minds, and he wanted to treat his mental illness through self-psychology and a strict set of morals.

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>>43898511
What >>43898987 said. There is nothing wrong with playing to character; you don't get bonus points from God for playing a troll face, you just come off as tryhard.

>>43898949
Here. Though your chicaless heresy is noted

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>>43899092
Another

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>>43899149
I assume this girl is a Son of Sauron with some mods to make her look as nasty as possible.

>>43896702
There are a lot of lines that a lot of runners won't cross. Mind-controlled sex slaves is probably one of them. I don't know many people who are comfortable playing characters who are comfortable with breaking humanitarian laws. There's a difference to many people between sex slavery and a simple B&E where, if the job is done right, no one is hurt.

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>>43899200

>>43899092
Well, the problem is, I have all the Chica stuff already. And other orks are nigh impossible to find besides Eiger.

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>>43899223
>>43899261
Then here, have a musclefetish lady orc

>>43898511
Guy in my gaming group's trying to make a character he calls Third Person, built as a blind rigger-shooter who perceives his world through the eyes of a fly-spy that maintains a fixed angle behind his head.

>>43898257
I had a guy GM a game where almost all of the bunraku parlors honored their contracts to the exact letter and spirit, without using them to fuck their workers over.

When I asked why, the GM said that he'd heard of so many characters with "free'd bunraku puppet" in their background that he thought it would be funny if the criminals in question noticed a high amount of escaped bunraku becoming shadowrunners with a personal bone to pick. And they wanted to avoid that kind of conflict. Much better for business in the long run to just honor the contract.

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>>43899282
The rare orc mage.

>>43898352
You'd be surprised how many old people are down with sex workers nowadays. Put that level of don't-give-a-fuck into a neo-cyberpunk setting with magic? Shit gets pretty cray.

Not deeply familiar with Adepts, but I saw this character concept on Reddit and wondered how it is accomplished:

"A physical adept who changes gender, sex, race, metatype, hair color, eye color, and dress almost hourly when not on the job. An expert at becoming whoever, whenever."

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>>43899326
And the slightly less rare, orc who's good with computers (1/2)

>>43899211
The only fun stuff strictly looked down upon according to the sourcebook are pedophilia, zoophilia and necrophilia. Bunraku dolls are fair game, and shouldn't be treated any different from other slaves, such as corporate SINners.

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>>43899399

>>43899396
An expert pornomancer, seems to me. But I've never actually built an adept, so I wouldn't know the mechanics of how.

>>43899282
Why is she holding a gun to Mario's head?

>>43899396
There's a bunch of adept powers that allow you to sculpt your features.

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>>43899426
Plumber got called in unexpectedly while they were doing a B&E to steal a prototype. Actions needed to be taken.

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>>43899458
Last one.

>>43899411
>Bunraku dolls are fair game
not at all true. People are skeeved out by meatpuppets, many or most of them unwilling or unable to even *think* about anything, ever.
At least the wageslave's cage is a gilded one, the Bunraku puppet is trapped in total oblivion until their master sees fit to free them.

>>43899309
He better not expect any bonus karma from that blindness unless his eye drones only see with ultrasound and radar sensors.

>>43899309
That's really cool, actually.

Speaking of which, what's everyone's favorite character that they've played/thought to play?

Mine's a tie between my Koa Warrior concept (Kingdom of Hawai'i equivalent of an Eagle Warrior) for high-karma campaigns or the amnesianc Azanian weapon master I'm stoked to play.

I'm lead to believe by some people here that Bunraku can choose the lives they have if they so desire. That there are heavily augmented sex workers who just switch on and do their business.

I'm confused because mostly my understanding of Bunraku is that they're creepy sex slaves, usually unwilling, and more or less dead inside. Care to explain this to me a bit?

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>>43899396

>>43899746
Both of these are true. Legally speaking, a bunraku is what your first paragraph described. A prostitute who has personafix chips installed when they work, so that they can fit any personality type/fetish that the client desires.

Where it gets icky and sex-slave-y is when you have companies that don't let you turn off your personafix and keep you as an actual slave against your will. This happens in the darker underworld aspects of Shadowrun as a setting, and this is where many people would have in-character issues.

The former is completely legal and normal. Maybe frowned upon a bit by those who don't understand desperation, but more or less normal. The latter is a frightening situation you don't want to find yourself in, and because it does happen it's the image that pretty much everyone has of bunraku.

>>43899200
She's Eiger, from Shadowrun Dragonfall. She's ex-special forces, and she's kind of a bitch but ultimately a good person. All of her teammates are humans, so she's definitely not an SoS type.

>>43899850
He was referring to the image in his post...

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>>43899850
I think the guy meant the picture on his own post.

>>43899727
Orc rigger/sniper who fought for trog rights+. Neo-communist with delusions of the Underground becoming a self-sustained and corp-free community. Lot of fun political arguments during the runs with the decker, as we sat at the same end of the table and had the most time off.

>>43899870
Correct. Thanks, anon. Someone's good at pattern recognition (and noticed that I posted all of those).

>>43899396
All of those except gender and metatype are easily done as an adept. And you could probably make yourself look like a masculine woman/feminine man fairly easily with a little work.

>>43899969
Body sculpt basically lets you shift apparent metatype to anything your own size too. So, basically, anything but a trog.

>>43899032
But they're all human concepts. They're archetypes. I don't see how "human concept" could distinguish them.

hmm... How about if their mentor spirit were Snake, who to them seems to be a free spirit they think they summoned in a freak accident.

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>>43899982
'Trog' covers both orcs and trolls, anon.

Also, trog is our word, if you use it that's a hate crime, and we get to burn down your sprawl in an entirely justified riot.

>>43900058
Fuck off, Trog. JIS did nothing wrong.

Do you guys remember when Bull was 100% behind unwilling Bunraku as long as it suported Ork Underground? Good times.

>>43899365
It's not a new thing. Prostitution has been legalized and outlawed plenty of times throughout western history, for the same reasons over and over again.

>>43900048

Well, yes, essentially they're all human constructs, but the humanoid ones tend to embody things specifically to do with humans, as opposed to traits we see reflected in animals.
Fire-Bringer or Dragonslayer have no animal equivalents. Same for artisan, or blacksmith. The humanoid ones are easiest to accept by Hermetics because they are so specific to people, they can be considered to embody some aspect of the caster.

>>43900048
I meant that they're easy to relate to real people; you can imagine a Fire-Bringer or a Dragon-Slayer easily (and they are in fact hard to think of in the abstract), but a Shark is more primal and separate from human society and interaction.

Your idea would work fine, though there's still the problem that A) they need to come up with an idea of what free spirits are, because hermetics don't believe they're independent creatures, and B) why would they take advice from random magical phenomenon?

>>43900139
>Your idea would work fine, though there's still the problem that A) they need to come up with an idea of what free spirits are, because hermetics don't believe they're independent creatures,

Where can I read more about this?

>>43900190
It's older fluff, from back when mages and shamans were separated. Hermetic theory used to hold that spirits were basically inefficient spells, magical phenomena created by shamans to help them understand how they were using magic.

Nowadays it's fairly outdated (especially that free spirits are relatively well observed) but hermetics then to think that spirits are semi-sentient beings, the result of magical environments given shape by the caster but not fully-formed creatures in and of themselves.

>>43899476
This image makes me think of a mage/adept orc who is played by Missy Elliot in a Shadowrun movie.

>>43900397
>Missy Elliot is still alive

Learn something new every day. I'd watch that movie.

>>43900368
But... the metaplanes are a thing. You can literally go and visit spirits in their homeland. Doesn't that contradict that theory?

>>43900441
Aye. She showed up during last years superbowl halftime show.
watch?v=S6k4i4ZGJeE

>>43900441
Apparently she's made another video rather recently (and well, she appeared on last year's? Superbowl Halftime show)

>>43899524
Yeah, he took it as a fluff thing more than anything else. He's happy to take the indirect fire penalties, just wanted to be a TPS protagonist. Gives me some neat opportunities for critical glitches and the like being camera glitches, with the drone getting stuck somewhere or veering off to another angle.

>>43900487

Not really. If you believe that your perception of things is altered by how you understand them, and in the case of magic it's clear that different interpretations result in different manifestations, then it's easy to say that the metaplanes and its denizens are just projections of the visitor.

How viable would a bioborg infiltrator with some adept powers be in 5e? Would I be spread too thin, or can I make it work?
All books allowed.

>>43900487
Ah, but who's to say they don't congeal around the mage upon their arrival? Who's to say that specific metaplanes even exist, and they're not simply formed from the reaction of a metahuman mind upon the 7-dimensional space that is the unlimited potential of magic, forcing that potential to fit preconceived notions because humans by definition aren't able to comprehend infinity?

>>43900601
Bioadept infiltrators are generally the best infiltrators. But the emphasis is generally on the adept bit.

>>43900368
It's still kinda backed up in that Hermetic spirits can't speak and lack any real outward appearance of being people, largely because hermatics believe that they aren't people.
>>43900487
Most people avoid going to the metaplanes.
Anyway, I imagine that hermatics now think of them as semi-intelligent animals. Like african grey parrots if african greys could use Engulf.

>>43900629
Adept-focus is fine I guess, which chargen method would do it best?

>>43900566
Oh my god, it's perfect. All glitches are now the result of the camera not cooperating because this is like Resident Evil or some shit.

>>43900657

There are Awakened critters, after all.
And yeah.

SR 279
Mages, unsurprisingly, take a somewhat arrogant view on conjuring. The mage tends to believe that spirits are intelligent but inferior beings predestined for servitude. With that mindset, mages tend to be more
comfortable binding spirits than are spellcasters of other traditions

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>>43896755
>>43896876
so what would a good present for a stepford smiler street sammy be without it relating to her job

>>43900667
Sum to ten or priority I guess. Karma could work, I guess, but life path is, sadly, a broken mess.
I've never really made an infiltrator and am mostly going by what happened in my games/what people here say so I can't really offer much in depth adive on how you should place your priorities.

>>43899982

What book's it in?

>>43900487
a) Old fluff
b) The metaplanes are the Planes of human imagination where constructs of human imagination seem to exist. They are real, but not really their own beings. They are basically thoughts/memes given mana flesh.

>>43900716
Knitting supplies? A case of old mushy romance trideo flicks? A ticket to Maria Mercurial's latest comeback tour? I dunno, what does she like?

>>43900725
Fair enough. I'll figure it out. Thanks.

>>43900716
What are her knowledge skills like?

>>43900115
I guess so, but I'd think that any mentor spirit could embody some aspect of the caster. That some traits are reflected in animals doesn't make them less relevant to people. Nor do I think that a mentor spirit's traits being based on those of an animal make them less relatable as people.

Like, there's a fiction on page 138 of Street Grimoire where a Hermetic student named Scott learns geomancy from Wolf. Wolf in that story doesn't really have any wolf-like traits, apart from looking like a wolf. He takes a seat in the classroom and heckles the student's professor, then winks at Scott when he turns to look. He generally acts cordial and charismatic. With that kind of portrayal, I don't see any fundamental distinction between the animal mentor spirits and the humanoid mentor spirit.

>>43877586
Do you guys change any part of the fluff of the world when you play? If so, what?

>>43900749

Bloody Business

>>43900657
They can still communicate telepathically though. The book specifically mentions spirits reporting back the results of their tasks.

>>43900817

There's always exceptions, but mages tend to look at spirits as intelligent servants, nothing more.
That's why humanoid Mentor Spirits could work. You'd be able to fluff it as a ghost of a human, or a memory of one, or even a projection of the mage's psyche without much fiddling.
I suppose, since otherkin exist, any animal could work, but you know, what does that say about the mage's perception of the self?

>>43900836
Cut out all the Earthdawn shit, obviously.

Moved CFD to the back, because there's enough body-snatching already going on in-setting that I don't need an incurable disease with 100% victory that should sweep the globe in a matter of days, and only doesn't because reasons.

>>43900716
What does she like? Also, is she possibly a bunraku, or an android pretending to be human? Cuz what you get someone for a gift really depends on if they're secretly a pod people or not.
>>43900872
And african greys can count, use english, and are about as intelligent as a very unintelligent toddler. Your point?

>>43900878
Nobody says that your animal-named Mentor Spirit should look like an animal. Shark can pretty well be an emaciated but vicious pirate as an embodiment of Hunger. And so on.

>>43900903

I always thought CFD was just the scare of the moment. It's not like this is an active problem for most people, just shit they talk about.

>>43900878
I'm saying that the book emphasizes how the mentor spirits are archetypes, and can take whatever form is appropriate to the caster's beliefs. Just because the book lists a given mentor spirit as an animal doesn't mean it has to be one.

In other words, I don't see why the animal mentor spirits should be off the table.

>>43900973
>>43900817
You could make it a more human spirit too; mentor spirits have a bunch of different forms. Dog might be a literal dog, or it might be your old college roommate, the one who died in that freak beer pong accident.

There's no rule saying you can't take an animal spirit and see it as a human, but it's just an easier jump with something that's already human-based.

>>43900968
Well, remember Ebola scare.

Then again, Boston is fucked to hell and back, apparently. The rest of the world, not so much.

>>43900998
Boston has a more virulent strain, but one people can eventually get better from.

>>43900968
It's not pressing, but with stuff like the whole 'Space is almost entirely taken over by headcases, they're planning a rocket ship out of the galaxy, and they sent messages across global grids to everyone' they're well known enough.

And it's a lot easier to justify nanobots taking over than it is super-rare shedim, or relatively rare and difficult to hide insect spirits. I just hate the paranoia of 'oh, maybe they're infected and are plotting against you, how can you tell?' I don't play games to make people more stressed out.

>>43901052
Yes, to be precise, Boston is fucked _atm_. UCAS just needs one quarantined city. For reasons.

>>43900992
All the animal Mentors mention several alternative names suitable for other traditions. It still is easier to use the ONLY humanoid ones, but only a very little bit.

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/srg/, how do I go fast?

Skates and skimmers both take off from the Physical limit, which seems counter-productive. Do I just get high-rating hydraulic jacks and sprint like a black orc in the CAS?

>>43901144
Not in the 5e book. It sums up each mentor spirit in two words, but doesn't go further.

>>43901180
Raptor Legs help. The physics behind them don't make any sense, my group just fluffs them as better servomotors for running and jumping.

>>43901180
Get a Spirit to use Movement on you.

>>43901199
I'll have to ask the GM about that; it's good fluff, and I'd hate to have to buy new pants

>>43901232
Spirits disappear at dawn and dusk, but chrome lasts forever.

>>43901180
1 from your physical limit isn't much.
And besides, if you REALLY want to go fast, get cyberlegs with AGI 10, digitigrade legs, and skimmers. End up going 60/120 with skimmers active.

I just finished Hong Kong, and I have to say, the characters in this one were way more interesting and well done than any previous iteration. For the first time, I'm actually kind of sad that this is it for them, and no more stories will be told featuring them. Sequel with gobbet romance option when.

>>43901197
The "Similar Archetypes" part is not very aptly formulated, but otherwise? Who says you cannot imagine Bear as something else eluding Strength and Protection, like a nice wrestler or the motherfucking Emperor of Mankind?

>>43901199
>the running speed multiplier is increased by 1 for each pair.

Wait, can you get a centaur body and two sets of these? Holy shit, that is retarded and awesome. Strap raptor claws to the front feet and call yourself a griffin.

>>43901278
The plan is to run around and hit guys on the move; I got struck by that ballistic fist guy's idea from last thread, and I want to play it. Want to be careful with messing with the limit.

>>43901305

Never.
There's not going to be another SR game for a while, probably a long time.
And sure as shit it's not gonna include any of the previous characters.
Best case scenario, you hope to see some mention of them in the official fluff, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>43901305
There's going to be that epilogue thing at the end of the year.

>>43901344
Says who? They've put out three games over the past couple years, HK was well received and sold well, no reason why they won't make another game sooner rather than later.

Might not have any HK characters (unless they do another expansion) but they're almost certainly going to make another game.

>>43900716
High heels are retarded

>>43901305
Gobbet was brotier, and Is0bel appealed to my "protector" side. But in the end, Kindly Cheng stole my heart.

>>43901369
Oh shit. That's good. Got a sauce for it being out at the end of the year? I'm googling, but I can't find any release date.

>>43901493
That's just what it was originally slated as, I wouldn't be surprised if it slipped from there.

>>43900808
She's got Bars and Clubs, Trid Celebrities, Alcohol, Drugs, Chemistry, and Modern Art for her interests

>>43900773
Those actually might work well with her and be significantly less risky

>>43900939
>What does she like? Also, is she possibly a bunraku, or an android pretending to be human? Cuz what you get someone for a gift really depends on if they're secretly a pod people or not.
we don't know if she was a bunraku, we just know that someone messed around in her head, if they did it with her consent is also up in the air

>>43901342
>centaur limial body with two pairs of digitigrade skimmers

Have you ever wanted to go fast?

>>43901493
>$1,000,000 - Shadows of Hong Kong Mini-Campaign! We have our plans set for the story we want to tell in Shadowrun: Hong Kong, but if we hit this funding goal, we’ll create an ADDITIONAL 4-5 hour Hong Kong Mini-Campaign that takes place AFTER the story ends. The Mini-Campaign will allow you to IMPORT your high-karma Hong Kong character for a challenge only a prime runner could accept. The Shadows of Hong Kong Mini-Campaign will come out sometime before the end of 2015 and will be FREE to Backers at the $15 pledge level and up.

>>43901666
Not so fast that I effectively ruined my ability to live the life of a normal person when I wasn't running. Christ, that would present difficulties.

>>43901686
Coerce your GM into letting you take the centaur bod as modular?

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>>43901670
SRHK minicampaign concept art, possible spoilers?

>>43901800
See I'd allow that just because I'm a sucker for cyborg waifus. If my players ever figure this out then terrible things will surely happen.

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>>43901945
I don't know why--probably your casual ability to answer questions and your seeming patience with everyone here--but I imagine you talking in a blatant deadpan.

So hearing that in a bored voice is quite funny to me.

Also I'll post the other three just for you, yekka.

>>43901945
We already know, Kyle.

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>>43901993
Last one.

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>>43901984

Being born a orc must really shitty. They live far shorter than humans. Why the hell would you want to be an orc? From a fluff perspective lol.

>>43902068
I don't think orcs chose to be orcs, omae.

>>43902068
>lol
They're supposed to be the downtrodden. No one likes them (except Big D) and they die too quickly.

Personally I have always houseruled that out. I hate it. They still have shorter lives than humans, but it's closer to averaging on sixty or seventy instead of fucking forty.

>>43902097
most orks die of other reasons than old age, unless you count gang shooting or industrial accidents as old age. so it brings the avg life expectancy down.

>>43895898
>PED Marine
my african chum

>>43902145
>>43902097

Wait.. so age 40 IS HELLA OLD FOR AN ORK?! Christ.. So are they like "adults" at age 10? What the fuck?

>>43902145
Yeah, even in my houseruled Shadowrun fluff there's still a low average life expectancy for orks. But in the actual race section of 4eA, it says that they live stupid-short lives, averaging at 40. While I'm down with them being shorter-lived, that's just a bit too short.

>>43902170
They're adults when the rest of the races are adults. They just are supposed to die stupidly shortly after. Kind of like how elves live for...what, was it a couple hundred years? The races don't all just live normal human lives in regards to time.

>>43902170
>>43902190
They pretty much ARE adult at 10 (at least, well, bodily. On the other hand, shitty lives tend to make people mature faster). Which sucks for them a lot.

Also dwarves live a couple of hundreds of years. Elves… Nobody knows yet, because even the Spike babies haven't become significantly older as of 2075

>>43901984
Nope, you've got some other toaster lover on your hands.
>>43901978
Pretty much, yes. The way I write has a lot to do with it, but I lead a rather subdued life all in all so I'm not surprised it comes across that way.
>>43902068
From a fluff perspective it's not exactly a choice. Personally speaking I consider the 'they all die at forty' thing be almost entirely social but largely avoidable, providing they can get access to proper lifestyles and medical care, like >>43902097.
>>43902145
Even aside from that, the fluff points out that they age much quicker, reaching full maturity by 14 and being well past their prime by their 30s.
>>43902170
Full physical maturity at 14. From memory orks at EVO gain their legal majority at 16.

So orks try and pack as much life in those few years they can. sex, drugs and rock n' roll, live fast a leave a pretty...err... corpse.

What advantages do orks have racially? Like what would make someone envious of an ork?

>>43902240

Read somewhere, maybe Seattle 2072, that Orcs are physically mature at age 12, which makes middle school awkward, as you have a bunch of sex-crazed teens running around next to kids who are just discovering their sexuality. High school is -really- awkward for them, being that they're a bunch of built 20-somethings, perfectly capable of making rational, adult decisions, being treated liked children.

>>43902364
You serious? Obviously their raw power. A scrawny orc is bigger and strong than many trained humans.

>>43902364
Almost as much strength as a troll while being human-enough looking that someone doesn't need a fetish to find you attractive.

>>43902364
mechanically (depending on edition) better limits and innate stats on strength and body, with low-light vision.
fluff-wise, dude, check out that badass ork teeth and muscles who isn't afraid of anything. He took my job at the construction 'r' us and now I'm going to poison him.

small challenge, stat your (non-shadowrun) waifu in the edition of your choice, eiher based on their abilities in their own universe or what abilities you think they'd have in the shadowrun universe
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Can you conceal Cyberdecks?
Hermes Chariot seems to be the size of a large tablet, which doesn't seem that hard to hide if someone tried to conceal it in their lined coat. but the designs in shadowrun returns seem way to large to hide in anything smaller than an inconspicuous duffle bag.

>>43902992
Returns is back in the 50s, where decks were massive keytars. 4th and 5th reduced their size dramatically.

>>43902992
SRR takes place in the 50s and their decks are keyboard-esque. 70's Decks are more modern tablet size, could fit inside a large pocket.

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>>43902992
This is /dev/grrl's cyberdeck and carrying case from 5E. (Sorry about the borders, hasty picture). They're about the size of an iPad, probably, and they'd be easy to hide. Classic decks from pre-2nd Crash were huge out of necessity, as far as I know. New 5E cyberdecks are significantly smaller, since I believe they're derived from the cell-phone-sized commlinks that were used for 4E hacking.

>>43902992
What everybody else said. And also you can make your deck look like, I dunno, your favourite dragon dildo. This way people will need to look in the matrix or inspect your dildo close-up to understand it's (also) something besides the dildo functionality.

>>43902992
Shadowrun Returns isn't set in the current time of the tabletop. You can slap a cyberdeck into your head as a implant in 5e, so it's pretty damn easy to conceal.

>>43903181
sounds like a bitch to repair if it ever takes damage.

>>43902992
I just realized on the side of the art for the Hermes Chariot is what looks like an SD card slot, a USB port, two 3.5mm audio, and an ethernet port. God damn it.

>>43903058

Anyone else turned on in an annoying way by this pic?

>>43903058
That's becaused they housed all of their processing power, memory, and storage on them. Current edition everything is wireless and "cloud". The only reason it's tablet-sized is for the display.

>>43903210
Yep. Gotta take the deck out (via surgery), fix it, then reimplant it (via more surgery). There's a reason why it's popular with government/military forces and larger corpsec deckers. Because Uncle Sam/the consumer is paying for it, not the user.

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You guys want to know the most depressing thing?

I probably will never ever get to play shadowrun table top. My friends are not interested at all. When I say table top, they think "Turbo nerds in a basement rolling dice with no women." I don't live near any card stores or table top stores either.

Its gotten to the point where I just read the 5th edition book over and over again imagining what it would be like to play.

Someone hold me..

>>43903476
Probably just you.

>>43903534
I'm holding out hope for my current group, but our GM is flakey as fuck and the only other player who'd be capable of GMing is burnt out from a year straight of 3.5E. I know your pain.

>>43903058
Isn't she supposed to be 12?

I know girls develop early nowadays, but fuck it must be insane 60 years from now.

>>43903608
Should clarify- we haven't even started playing and our GM hasn't started planning at all, despite us supposedly starting in TWO WEEKS.

>>43903621
She's like 18 or 19 in 5E.

So one weird thing about old Norse philosophy, was that they believed people were modular. As in, parts of you could break off into their own independent entities, wander off, be loaned to others, or be reabsorbed. For example, Huginn and Muninn are not just pet ravens. They're literally Odin's desire and contemplation, personified and detached from him. Same for Freki and Geri, Odin's wolves.

I was thinking of some homebrew for Norse mages along these lines - a spell similar to Watcher, where you sacrifice an attribute dot and one or more skills tied to that attribute in order to create a far more aware watcher, who has the specified skills. This spirit can give teamwork bonuses to anyone performing the specified skills, and maybe a few other things. You can cancel the spell to reabsorb the attribute, skills, and the spirit's memories, but if the spirit dies, everything you gave it is lost permanently.

What do you think?

>>43903892
Cool idea, absolutely not viable in SR.

Also, losing stuff permanently (possibly) based on GM fiat is a VERY VERY bad idea. Don't go there.

So what kinds of spirits does a Christian Theurge summon? Ostensibly they'd look and behave like angels, but the fiction seems to contradict this. Like, in the first fiction of Street Grimoire there's an Eastern Orthodox mage with an ally spirit that doesn't personally identify with Chrisitanity.

Is there any more detail on this subject?

>>43903629

I've counted. She's 21, going on 22 soon. This is because she was 16 in 2072. The current metaplot date is late November 2077, if the date on Hard Targets is something to go by.

>>43904335

The Catholic Church's stance on spirits is that they are not angels and demons but nature spirits.

>>43904381
Exactly, spirits. But Theurges don't "summon" "spirits". They draw on the power of LORD and humbly ask angels to appear.

>>43904335
It obviously depends on how this concrete Theurge sees their magic.

What enhancements are good for riggers? Also, how do riggers defend their stuff from deckers? I feel like you need decker skills to defend all your expensive equipment from well.. deckers.. How do riggers deal with deckers?

>>43904381
So why do voodoo mages get to summon Loa who act like Loa, but when a christian mage calls down angels, they get flying cats instead? Seems pretty arbitrary to me.

>>43904613
The RCC has a firewall rating IIRC. Also you can slave it through your commlink which the better ones have a decent firewall. Also you link it to your decker's PAN and he's also responsible for keeping the team's electronics safe.

>>43904613
>How do riggers deal with deckers?

By hiring one to protect their precious drones. Alternatively, by finding and ventilating the drekhead trying to mess with their precious drones with extreme prejudice.

>>43902190
It' s not even long enough for any of the fluff orcs in the books, ever, even people who logically would never have been able to afford leonization.

Basically it's a fine tradition of CGL/FASA having no clue what they're writing about.

>>43902190
One of the reasons for their low life expectancy is lack of access to medicine, higher rates of violence, etc. A rich orc with access to nice things, education, a stable job and supportive friends will probably live longer.

How do you guys Priority your Deckers?

I've got a vague idea of making an Adept Decker who takes advantage of Improved Reflex, in order to hack in AR just as fast (or faster) than normal Deckers hack in Hot Sim.

But, I'm not the best with CC, and I've never done any burnout work before, so I don't really know how to do this. E human, D skills, C magic (adept, +1 for special skill for being human), B attributes, A money? Need a minimum magic 4 to get improved reflex 3 (3.5 power points), and the +1 magic for being human let's me Comfortably get some cyberware.

But I'm not sure, and definitely looking for critique

>>43905338
Not that much. It's been made clear since first edition and confirmed in every following one that orks got the shaft from mother nature on top of getting the short straw when it comes to living conditions and racism. They simply mature and age faster.

>>43898257
That's how it goes in Neuromancer.

>>43905504
What edition are you playing?

>>43905504
Keep in mind you lose out on the bonus deckers get from being in hot sim. With that being said, you have an extra .5 points to spend on adept powers and I'd recommend the Light Touch power, which gives a people a penalty on perception checks to notice things you're doing with you hand. Combine that with the palming skill and you can do your decking out in the open with few people noticing you.

You're painfully low on edge, so that'll be your next investment after chargen. Maybe spend 10 karma to raise it to 2.

Other standard deckers stuff like a Cerebral Booster are recommended as per usual. Anything else you want this guy to do besides deck from AR?

>>43906068
A datajack will do the same (and more) for 0.1 essence and allow him to go in hot if he ever needs it. No need to waste power points on that.

>>43906055

5e.

>>43906068

I do understand that I'll be missing out a little bit (I plan on giving him a Datajack, so hot Sim is still possible), but, with having him only in AR, it makes him have absolutely no fear of biofeedback damage of any kind.

And... not really. I know that typically you're supposed to be more than a 1 trick pony, but this guy is mostly just going to be a decker. Mayyyybe an off - face if we don't have one, but I doubt it.

Also, Humans have, at base, 2/7 edge. Sure, 2 edge is still pretty damn low, but it is better than 1. And a 15 karma sink early on for 3 edge would be a great investment.

>>43906118
A good point.

>>43906145
Whoops, mixed up human's starting edge. Yeah you don't need to do that at chargen, but definitely think about it later. If you don't want to do the Light Touch power because of the datajack like >>43906118 said, take the improved ability power for an extra die. If you feel like taking a risk at addiction; remember that initiative from adept powers stacks with drugs. You can lower that Improved Reflexes if you feel you'd like something else.

>>43906145
What 'ware would you like to grab exactly beside the datajack?

>>43906118
Trodes let you got hot if you have a hotsim module

>>43906195
Yes, and?

>>43906181

Honestly, I really don't know. Minimal stuff, but mostly headware. I'm not the most proficient with adeptd OR deckers, much less combining them together, but this idea seems like a lot of fun.

(Fluff wise, I am gonna try to have this guy be a DJ at a club, so that HAS influenced this list)

Data jack is important. Cybereyes will let him always exist in AR. Cyber ears will do the same (and since he'd be a musician, they'd be kinda tricked out cyber ears, rating 3).

I also considered having an implanted commlink or cyberdeck, but those seem like a waste of precious essence when I'm limited to just 1.0 essence loss to keep myself at 4 magic points.

>>43906241
Cerebral Boosters are a good boost for a Decker (many Matrix actions are linked to Logic).

If all you want is being able to see AR all the time, an implanted Image Link is enough, no need for full cybereyes.

>>43906288

Eh, I always forget that's a thing. But, that being said, image link is .1 essence alone. For .2 more essence, I can have rating 2 cyber eyes, image link for effectively free, and a bunch of other bonuses like low light/thermal vision, flare comp, and vision enhancements.

As It stands, a Data jack is .1, rating 2 eyes are .3, rating 3 ears are .4, making a total of .8 Essence. If I were to get these all as alphaware (not that big of a stretch), that drops them to .64 essence in total.

Cerebral boosters are .2 apiece. So getting both would put me at .4 essence (rating 2 is 12 avail, so i couldn't do alpha if I wanted).

Now, granted, if I dropped the cybereyes to rating 1, I would have .56+.4, for .96 essence cost (5.04 essence total), so there's something to think about there.

>>43906445
Or get contactswith imagelink

>>43906445
Grab the biocompatibility (cyberware) quality. That'll save you exactly .06 essence, enough to drop you under 1.

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>I derped and made a thread

anyway

my group wants to get into shadowrun 5e. I'm usually the DM, because I pick up new systems quite easily, and I used to play SR 3e like 10 years ago, so I know a little bit about the setting.

however, one of my player wants to run a decker, one concept I never really wrapped my head around.

can someone explain how decking works like I'm 5?
I understand 5e embraced the idea that now everything is wireless, but it still talks about jacking in and stuff. Also, apparently there are VR glasses now, so you don't actually have to waste essence for a cyberjack just to get onto the Matrix.

so how does it all work? in what situations do I need to jack in? how much can I access wirelessly? do I need to bring a decker on site if a run needs hacking, or can the guy stay in the other side of the city in a safehouse?

I also played Shadowrun: Hong Kong to get a general idea on how stuff works now, but in the game if there was no jack point in a mission, then there was no decking.

>tl;dr how do I into decking?

>>43906829
SRHK was in the 2050's, 56' if I remember correctly, which would be before 4e, when wireless was adapted into the rules.

Generally, the decker needs to be there. Noise, and the resilience of Hosts make van-decking a practical imposibility.

Hosts can take Slaves (so can regular devices like decks), which protects them from wireless attacks with their Firewall rating, but this would be the chink in the Host's armor. If you get a mark(shorthand for your control privileges on a device) on a slaved device, you get an automatic mark on their master, and since the Host's Firewall rating protection only works on wireless connections, you can use a universal connector to connect to a device directly (contending with it's own weak Firewall rating) and hack a mark, which "echoes up", and gives you access to the Host right away. Remote-decking is not advisable not because it's hard(well, it is, but it's doable), but because directly connecting is so, so much easier.

>>43906829

There's a 5e flowchart for decking. But, honestly, it DOES take some getting used to. Do not feel bad for being nervous about it. Hell, I still don't feel the best about it.

I'll try to find the chart to help ya out.

Also, this thread is on its last leg, don't feel bad about the new one.

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>>43906829
>>43907414
Said flowchart.

>>43906909
>>43907414
>>43907429
thanks, appreciated!

>>43903029
Say, who did the german mentor spirits for chummer? Couldn't find any pulls/issues in the github.I just noticed they are in, but with several errors.

Can the next thread question be about Terrorism and HTR teams?

My runners threw a back of grenades into a Saeder Krupp lobby and left blood outside because they failed stealthing past security. I was just going to make 20+ badasses in chummer and pick some awesome drones, but if there are book guidelines, other GM experiences, I'd love to hear them.

>>43907698

For the love of god, if you're making a strike squad, make them a strike SQUAD.

Don't make them just charge at them and swarm them like mooks. Have highly specialized characters that work as a team to execute your goal.

Have them first find out where the team is. Then, lob in some stun grenades (or tear gas. That works too). If this is in doors, have pairs work in tandem to infiltrate and execute. If they're being attacked outside, have a pair of crack shots lay suppressive fire from above (giving superior positioning bonuses as well), have a sniper (possibly with a spotter giving teamwork tests, depending on how much you want to fuck then), picking off people in cover, a mage tending to the team (up to 3. I don't know how badass your group is. The first mage needs to be offensive. The second needs to be support, with improved attribute spells and increase reflexes and shit like that. 3rd needs to be dedicated to healing, and then utility, in that order.).

Having some melee Sam's isn't a bad idea, just make sure that they don't get caught in the suppression.

Oh, and for the record: run and Gun, bulls eye burst. If you got yourself a sniper with a barrett, which has a base AP of -6, and use this? It's -18, and an additional -4 for the APDS rounds for a whopping -22 AP. Throw in a bit of ware from chrome flesh that let's you remain still (each rank gives you +1 to your maximum aim)(I forget what it's called, unfortunately), and give him, I don't know... 6 agility, +4 muscle toner (?), 11 skill, 2 for smart link, let's say he can aim 5 times... specialized in sniping... that's 30 dice to snipe.

And then have the spotter equally as effective with teamwork tests. You'll turn a literal tank into swiss cheese with those numbers.


In the end, make a team that REALLY works together, not just a bunch of mooks with better guns than normal.

>>43904503
I would think 6th world divine magic would be decidedly Neoplatonic in nature.

For a Christian metaphysics that works well with Shadowrun's spirit mechanics, check out Pseudo-Dionysius.

I haven't played Shadowrun in over twenty years.

What'd I miss?

>>43908129

Depends on who you ask. By my understanding: I got better It got refined, and the latest two editions seem to be pretty well even for "which is better"