RIP

>>43875902
What about the people who bought his modle?

>>43875922

They gave GW money and got F-ed in the A again.

>>43876434
>>43875922
Nothing changes Eldrad has been dead for years. Half the named Characters in the old Vampire Counts army book were also dead in the story.

>>43876513
Every single Warhammer Fantasy model is a dead character and you can still field them regardless.

>>43875922
C U C K E D

and no one is surprised

Real shame they didn't knock shadowsun off. Glorious leader going full damage control when his ace commander bites it would have been neat as heck, especially with a rebel commander coming back into the public eye.

>>43876594
Shadowsun's death would require a new character to be introduced as the head of the Fire Caste.

>>43875922

You can say the model on the field is a hologram.

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>>43875902
Okay I've been away from the internet for a long while. What happened? I know someone is dead, but what exactly happened and where is this covered?

>>43876714
In Mont'ka Aun'va is RIPed, there is a pdf download on kickass

>>43876513
didnt they recton that though?

half the shit that occurred in the 13th black crusade never happened

also technically every necron character has been dead....

>>43876714

Tau kicked the shit out of the imperium during the Democales campaign. They wanted revenge so they sent the imperial guard, space marines and assassins after the Tau. Tau kicked the shit out of them again thanks to Commander Farsight arriving in the nick of time. But the assassins ninja'ed in and killed their space pope before the rest of the imperials ran off. Tau did damage control by using holigram stand ins for space pope for all their propaganda.

>>43876692
Or just say that he's a hero from the history of the Empire, like how you could use dead Hero characters in The End Times. I've always thought that the mere problem of being lore-dead shouldn't stop a character from being present, they're simply heroes from the maelstrom of time.

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>>43877594
>Tau kicked the shit out of the imperium

Heh. Good one.

>>43879312
Well, they kinda did. Shame they consider Pyrrhic victories to be defeats, or they'd actually have something to crow about.

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>>43875902
Habemus Papam

>>43879312
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battle_of_Mu'gulath_Bay

It was the Tau's first major victory over the Imperium. After this the IoM got it's act together and started hitting them with a combination of Pyrrhic victories and punishing defeats, which had the added bonus of causing severe assmads for shadowsun.

>>43876638
And that would be interesting. Actually shaking things up from a wargame perspective, instead of political leaders.

Bring in Shas'O Kais for the DoW babbies or some shit. They'd eat it up.

>>43876513
Eldrad has been retconned back to life.

Aun's rules will probably stay around though. GW only destroys the rules for characters whose models they're too lazy to make.

Shine on, Duke Sliscus.

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meanwhile at forge world

>xeno victory
>xeno victory
>xeno victory
>another xeno victory
>oh hey look, axeno victory
>surprise! xeno victory
>oog guess what? xeno victory
>chaos loss but its only imperium Pyrrhic victory

>>43880495
You think Forgeworld will ever shake things up and have the Imperium beat someone other than chaos?
I doubt it

>>43880937
Necron are in dire need of straight up defeat.

>>43877596
And who know, maybe Aun'va successor will take is popemobile in his memory.
Aun'Shi reconverts it as an assault platform.

>>43881190
it was just a minor defeat, but in a map of ork conquest an ork warlord conquered a necron tomb world and looted all of their teleport technology. and Im pretty sure its post 5th edition

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>>43880372
Or Aun'va will just get another Disciple popsicle out of storage, thaw em out and stick them in a Battlesuit declaring them the new champion of the Greater Good.

At least with Aun'va dead now the leadership will have to scramble for explanations why Orks are invading, and Aun'va's inspiring speech is simply repeating the same speech he gave last week about fighting the Imperium.

And why that isn't him flickering, that is just your eyes blinking really hard.

>>43880399

>GW only destroys the rules for characters whose models they're too lazy to make.
Or part of a history they'd like to forget. I still like to think that Kreullagh the Vile is alive somewhere being used as a very creepy Ordo Xenos Inquisitor's plaything.

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>>43879312
>>43877594
So...does that mean the Imperium reclaimed any of the Third Sphere worlds, or did they just exterminatus'd the thing?

I ask because I can't download anything where I am right now.

>>43880399
>>43881385

or novel characters

they HATE novel characters. namely IG/AM ones.

>>43881385
All the Aun'va hologram really does is avoid the public outrage that would result from revealing he was killed in battle, and buy some time for them to settle on a replacement behind closed doors before shutting off the hologram and saying he died of old age at a more convenient time.

>>43881444

Good. They're pretty shit. 40k is all about absurdity and excess. On the other hand the BL novel authors get all "muh relateable everyday Joe" and write boring mundane characters that don't fit the setting.

In 40k, everyday Joes get ground into paste by the giant cogs of war, just like they should do.

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>>43881580
I think a lot of the authors don't even get the full picture and that's why we get shit that doesn't match.

Like how End Times authors were given a few important tidbits on what was happening, and they had to fill the gaps, some of which went WAY off course.

>>43881423
the damocles gulf is now permanently on fire

so maybe

>>43881423
They lost more worlds because the only way they got a win was through an assassination.

They lost worlds, period. The Tau beat a "Serious" Campaign of the Imperium and it drives Imperialfags crazy now.

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The Tau lost the entire planet and presumably the rest of the ones they colonized, their entire command structure is cut off from the rest of the Empire, space pope died, and their material losses were extreme.

The third expansion stalled, the Tau lost.

>>43881837
>B-But the Tau lost all their planets

HAHAHAHA Imperialfags. Every time. Every time a Xenos centred victory shows up, you cry and cry and cry.

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>>43881875
I play Tau

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>>43881727
>>43877594
>Taufags show up to run damage control
>Imperialfags are just laughing

I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Only Tau player I know has a spaz attack everytime he loses.

seems like everyone lost in terms of territory and military assets

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>>43881837
>Exploding red blood
Wasn't Tau blood blue or did I miss another goddamn memo?

>>43881919
>Imperialfags are laughing.

Oh right, that's because every single Tau thread doesn't devolve into "b-But the Imperium would crush them if they had a REAL Crusade!"

Stop pretending, Imperialfags are the cancerous shits in a cancerous fanbase.

>>43881966
Quite simply the truth is the Tau gained one or two worlds at the most while the rest are embroiled in a bloody stalemate with a vast amount of the Imperiums forces spent. It's a situation that's showed that the Tau are a deadly threat but easily prone to overextending.

>>43882021
>vast amount
>Kek to the top

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>>43882021
No, it's always
>Muh crusade!
>Muh Greater Good!

Both you fags bitch at each other, calling each other the cancer, never realizing that together, you are one. You are both a single entity. A giant ass target for the Orkz!

>>43882021
the only victory is that both sides managed to snake important tech from each other

>>43881991
GW isn't too good at remembering these things.

>>43882021
>Tau gained one or two worlds at the most
That's the equivalent of some kid saying 'I let you win!'

Face it. Tau thought they were curbstomping the Imperium until they realized that when the Imperials give more than a passing glance their way they are proper fucked.

>>43881919
>>Imperialfags are just laughing
I play imperial and even I can say the last threads were an imperial tears drainage basin.

They didn't even knew if they were mad at the Tau plot armour because they beat a whole crusade or in denial saying "it wasn't even a real crusade".

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>>43882068
>implying the Eldar won't outlast all of you pathetic mon'keigh by a thousand generations

You are almost funny, puny ork.

>>43882060
>Whole crusade burned and forced into a grinding stalemate with many Baneblades and Knights lost.

>B-But my infinite resources Imperium.

And then you Imperialfags forget Baneblades are not mass produced and Knights are almost irreplacable as whole units and fucks everything over.

>>43882068
I'm not even a Tau player, I'm a Necron player because muh 1950ies Sci-fi shit, I just find Imperialfags the most insufferable mongoloids in this fanbase.

See? Look at this moron >>43882110


The Tau actually stop a proper Full on Imperial Crusade AND a retaliation crusade to a stalemate and he thinks it's slightly more than "A passing glance"

They're fucking pathetic.

>>43881966
This. The Imperium lost face and a couple of planets; it wanted that world back and had to give up. Oh, and a bunch of Guardsmen. But they die in droves just trying to build fortifications even without Chenkov using them for mortar. So that doesn't really count. The Tau lost their leader and everything on the surface of Agrellan. The planned crown jewel of the Third Sphere Expansion is now on the far side of Death World classification. And, most importantly, the entire Damocles Gulf is somehow on fire. The Third Sphere Expansion is over. Both sides lost per their own doctrine.

But there is one group who didn't lose. The AdMech stole a bunch of Tau tech, got to see their new toy in action, and lost only Skitarii. Flawless Mechanicus victory. Ave Omnissiah.

>>43882142
And the Tau stole Imperial tech.

Nice work, it was a bloody stalemate and all we get out of it is whining Imperialfags.

>>43882142
>AdMech using xenos tech heresy

Purge this heathen.

>>43882187
Oh, they don't use it. They just want to have it.

>>43882121
I actually threw up in my mouth a little, congrats, you sickened me with how wrong your opinion is.

>>43882183
>And the Tau stole Imperial tech.
The same shit they stole in the Medusa campaign, the same tech that freaked them the fuck out and they just said 'Fuck this we'll make our own Warp Drive with Blackjack and Hookers!'

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>>43882121
Ya got gutz panzee! An' dey're gettin' all over da place!

>>43880937
it hurts

I get the imperium has the mass and fanbase to tank those losses, but it still hurts.

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Holy crap this thread went from Tau eulogy to Imp v. Tau shitstorm real fast! And now you assholes attracted orkz! I hope your happy!

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>>43880937
Maybe the Tau will lose in the next IA book
Please let me read about Warlods stomping shit.

>>43882183
>And the Tau stole Imperial tech
And? Is that their only reason to exist? Will the mere fact that they have a Baneblade barrel warm them through the centuries? That's not a win until the Tau do something with the tech. The AdMech merely needs to run off with a Tau photocopier, and they're set for the next decade or so.

>>43882187

More like the magos actually see the big picture which is power and don't give a fuck because knowledge - whatever the origin - is the power.

Everything else is just a sideshow, including doctrine.

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>>43882310
Why would there be a eulogy, Aun'va got out without a scratch.

>>43882134
>Third Sphere stopped
>Imperium finally gets a new exterminatus toy
>Tau stop being so damn smug now
>Tau leader dead, ironically in an Imperial building(because muh symbolism)

Yeah I'm happy. I don't care if I'm a cancer or not, something finally happened in the canon besides
>Imperials lose a thousand worlds
>Nothing of value was lost

>>43882187
Should be pretty damn obvious they don't use stolen tech, they take it apart, figure out how it runs, write up some plans to improve their own weaponry, then forget to share it with the Imperium until the next millennia when the next Arch Magos finds the note to share new tech taped to his bum.

>>43882383
>>43882343

>Imperialfags so buttblasted he needs to find and scrape every single good side out of a bitter stalemate and downplay everything the Tau got.

Jesus christ, AGAIN and AGAIN you people just cannot accept the Imperium losing.

No opinions here, only fact. Imperial guard kicked the Tau's ass pretty hard. Even with the losses they had, they made great headway that the space marines couldn't do.

>>43882434
Win? Lose? I don't care! Something actually happened!

The fact that someone else got to bite the bullet with us for once is just a happy bonus.

>>43882450
I got annoyed at how the Guard were written, were Chimeras even mentioned in the book, they had guardsman walking across deserts

>>43882434
You are the one encouraging him dumbass

>>43882455
>S-Something happened
>But not a total loss like Damocles or I would cry.

Why are you people so pathetic?

>>43882462
>Guard are morons that walk into blatant traps.

Jesus, are you new or something?

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>>43882200
>the human brain is so simple that it forces a gag reflex on the body when it cannot conceive such simple truths

Utterly fascinating.

>>43882271
Unfortunately, number's don't exactly mean much when your entire race is made up of Terran apes throwing sticks at eachother.

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>>43882462
They were there, abit kinda infered more then anything.

>>43882529
Colonel Spetznaz was a cool guy, too bad he bought it.

>>43882434
Your ongoing failure to grasp that I'm just having a chuckle regarding the AdMech's strategic aims (though the AdMech and Tau philosophies are described that way in the book) suggests that you take this game entirely too seriously. Honestly, does my commentary read like that of someone who thinks this matters?


>>43882450
Must have missed that, I was reading the book pretty late. But it seemed like the Guard's gains were down to having more bodies than the Tau had ammunition. Admittedly no small feat against an enemy with energy weapons.

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>>43882494
And again wif da talkin. Maybe if ya spent more time fightin' ya wouldn't die so fast!

>>43882480
Because after End Time, 40k is the last thing I care about but nothing ever happens! I want the story to move forward instead of being forever locked in that middle zone of
>End of all things is here
>Hang on, it's coming.
>Just gotta find the keys first.
>Shit...hang on I'll be there and things are so gonna end when I do!

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>>43882542
How come you don't add the part where the storm surge dies moments later and the obsidian knight appears?

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Welp, ITT:
>Tau- Butt blasted over the third expansion ending as a failure, with space pope lying dead afterwords.
>Imperials- Ass Angered over losing a bunch of shit, then just up and leaving rather than having an absolute stomp.

In other words, two massive low functioning retards having an "My dad could beat your dad" conversation with what little speech that they can muster.

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>>43882590
You do realize that we are talking over a primitive human communication system, and not over your dying corpse? I'm surprised your device is still functioning.

>>43882697
The dead corpse of our emperor could beat the deading shit out of Aun'vary dead corp'se

Go make a quest thread you two.
>Gork and Mork and the journey to sex piston valley

>>43882728
>"primitive" humans still own a million planets despite ten thousand years of decline
>"advanced" eldar are reduced to a minuscule handful of craftworlds that continue to get blown the fuck up

>>43882770
M-m-muh space elves

>>43882021
40k IS a cancerous shit fanbase in the Warhammer community.
They're the furries of tabletop gaming. To the point even the actual furries can't stand them.

>>43882770
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! FACTS, THE SPACE ELVES' ONE WEAKNESS!

>>43882697
Exactly. It's like cheering for sports teams, only we can conclusively blame a single party when our team doesn't win.

>>43882770
>implying the imperium can stand a few thousand more
>implying I'm not doing this on purpose

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>>43882728
Wot wuz dat? Kan't 'ear ya over da sound o' me winnin' again!

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>>43882782
Reminder that real elves knocked Slaanesh out of the Great Game so hard they had to put a rat on a stool to fill the group photo, while the space elves can't even defeat humans without taking lasting damage.

>>43882630
>shoal of hammerheads
that's cute wording

shame their writing is pretty dire most of the time

>>43881444

They like Gaunt at least and I wouldn't say it's so much that they hate novel characters as not many novel characters probably stand out. Doesn't help that a lot of armies are pretty well stocked as far as special characters go.

>>43882093

Just as likely they couldn't be bothered to have the artist change it.

>>43882187

Some in the Mechanicus see nothing wrong with xenos technology.

>>43882829
That has always been the issue with GW. For every Abnett and Dembski-Bowden we get two dozen Gotos, Thorpes, and Counters.

>>43882907
abnett and ADB aren't exactly paragons of literature

>>43882922
No but compared the the usual dregs making warhammer fluff they are actually great.

>>43882922
No, but for a franchise designed to sell plastic army men to children and manchildren they do a pretty good job.

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As a Blood Angel fan, I for one is very glad that my favorite chapter wasn't apart of this nonsense. Am I disappointed the results of this new stuff? A little but I'll get over it. As your Tau waifu dies when you're 40 my boy Dante will still look like he's 25. When he's drinking your Tau waifu's blood he'll still look like he's 25. When Shadowsun finally dies he'll still look like he's 25.

>>43882630
Because the part about the stormsurge being the Tau's largest mobile weapon is factually incorrect unless you were to disregard forgeworld's models, which GW does do for some fucking reason.

>>43875902
AND TEAR
apparently

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>>43882728
That ork looking up man
>iz dat malnurrished 'oomie really gonna try to klobber ME wif dat stikk as thick as my little finga?

>>43883802
That's such a neat idea. A mega armor upgrade that puts a grot with a gat on top to take snap shots at the closest target every turn.

>>43882341
HOLY SHIT that looks fucking awesome.

Too bad it means my orks are going to have to wait EVEN LONGER for forgeworld to pull them out of shit tier with an IA 8 remake.

>>43884797

There's nothing saying that FW is even working on another IA book.

Only books coming from them that have at least some credibility are HH books 6 and 7 and an HH Masterclass book.

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>>43882728
I come to relax on the binaries and you Eldar faggots come to be jerks to everyone. I hope "Slannesh" rapes all of your kind to death by the end of the millennia.

>>43876434
We are over 18 here, you can swear as much as you want.

>>43881757
>the end was niether swift nor merciful

lol, so this culexus just sat their playing with his target until he finally keeled over?

I do want to point out that Space Pope and his guard have a 1+ invuln save against the culexus's shooty attack.

>>43886260

Because the world needed another 3+ vs. 3+ book.

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The no man's land is likely to prevent another Imperial invasion in the foreseeable future. The Tau will need some years/decades before they can completely ignore the effects of the firewall and fully reestablish contact with the three isolated Septs. In the meantime this gives them time to research FTL technologies.

The most immediate concern are the coming Tyranid invasion that it is likely to wipe out the Farsight Enclaves and fulfil the prophecy at last. The eight are likely to die and this will cause Farsight to achieve apotheosis.

>>43883182
Tau live to be 60
Dante is mostly robot nowadays
Tau blood is disgusting
Shadowsun's already 300+ years old

I don't even play Tau

>>43881757
Wouldn't the Tau not even be effected by a Pariah?

I thought those guys worked off of how psychically powerful you were and even then some characters are able to withstand it.

>>43886418
everything alive has a natural fear of pariahs

culexus assassins have that, ramped up to forty thousand

tau are not a race of blanks

>>43886418

The Pariah gene seems to cause fear and such in all beings (And the Animus Speculum can apparently amplify the effects), it's just psykers suffer more than others.

The Culexus seems to just have allowed the fear to become overwhelming until Aun'va was driven into a corner with no escape.

>>43886341
>Life Drain: Armour saves cannot be taken against Wounds inflicted by a Culexus
Assassin’s close combat attacks. Any close combat attack inflicted by a Culexus Assassin
that rolls a 6 To Wound has the Instant Death special rule. Any close combat attack
inflicted by a Culexus Assassin that is allocated to a Psyker has the Instant Death special
rule.

The Culexus does not give a fuck, he pokes fish pope, fish pope dies.

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>>43881385
>I still like to think that Kreullagh the Vile is alive somewhere being used as a very creepy Ordo Xenos Inquisitor's plaything.

>implying any mon-keigh could make a plaything of THE EMASCULATOR

>>43881757
BASED
A
S
E
D

>>43882697
How is their Third Shpere expansion a failure? Are you retard? The Imperium nuked one world and set a uninhabitable region of space on fire.

The rest of the TSE worlds and colonies are okay albeit temporarily cut off from the Empire. The Tau are still in the positive.

>>43887063
The planets on that zone were habitable and rich on resources, now they are completely cut off from the tau and all previous routes the tau had through the Damocles gulf disappeared due the burning phenomenon with no information how long will it last.

I wouldn't say that the third sphere expansion failed, but we can't deny this is a major set back to the tau.

>>43879312
I actually voted for vermin supreme, I got to talk to him and he gave me a tube of toothpaste

>>43887165
The event isolated the rich TSE septs from the Tau Empire. However, The Tau expedition and the Farsight Enclave forces are on the other side with them so they can still be defended. The Tau are working on ways to traverse the flaming gulf and had success somewhat.

It's a setback, yes, that it cannot be denied that the Tau will get over it. In summation of all that happened to the Tau, They lost one planet (though an important one) and got a major obstacle throw in their way. The Third Sphere Expansion will continue on but a snail's pace currently.

>>43887206

Can't they expand towards the territory beyond Kroot, the Silent zone, the area of the Red Suns (Orks) while doing raids to steal FTL and other from the Admech?

>>43887206
but it cannot*

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>>43887220
Lets see now.

Beyond the Silent Zone and Kroot is the emptiness of the void between galaxies, I think. Red Sun System is close to the Damocles Gulf and it has a big Ork presence that the Tau do not want to set off.

It's up to the Tau beyond the gulf to steal any technology they can find. Communication across the gulf still works fine so they can send their finding if they discover anything.

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>>43887261
More maps.

Did anyone ever actually use him on table
The Ethereal powers just don't seem that great for me to want to pay extra points to use two of them from one bluie

>>43876513
Eldrad's death been retconned since the 5th edition, which was when they stopped trying to make the 13th Black Crusade campaign ending canonical and just rolled the timeline back so it ends just as Abaddon is launching the crusade.

WHFB had a lot of "historical" characters, though. Almost every Ork and Goblin special character was some warboss that ahd led some big waagh! against the Empire and gotten killed. 40k has had a few as well, like Lord Solar Macharius having rules, and Lysander originally being dead before they retconned it into him escaping from an Iron Warriors daemon world naked and unarmed.

>>43881190
The ultramarines have come to save the day once again

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>>43882121
I hear you Eldar talking sit.

Let me rectify that, vermin.

>>43882922
Nothing is bad in a subjective medium

>>43887261

They can take the longer routes to get into the Imperium. Damocles Gulf was just the shortest one.

>>43880937
>>43882274
That's cause most IA books are intented to showcase or update the models and rules for whatever race the book is about (Aphelion was Nids, Taros Tau, Mymera Eldar etc.), and the Imperium is there just so the race the book is about has something to fight against in the narrative (since the fluff for all IA books are written as sort of in-universe point of view, they kind of need the Imperium to be involved somehow so they can write from their point of view).

>>43881837
It was pretty much a loss or pyrrhic victory for everybody. Nobody really succeeded in their primary goal, or at least didn't succeed very well.

Imperium's goal was to drive the Tau off the Agrellan system in particular and from Imperial space in general, and if possible destroy them completely. They failed to do that and lost a large amount of forces, including a Chapter Master of a 1st founding Chapter, making them unalikely to mount another crusade against the Tau for a while.
Meanwhile the Tau repelled the Imperial crusade and technically held Agrellan, but aside from the capital city the whole planet is now covered in fire and kind of useless (although the true value of Agrellan for Tau was never the planet itself, but the fact that the system's location made it strategically very important), and their third sphere colonies and the expansion force are cut off from rest of the Empire untill the Earth Caste perfects the shields that let ships cross the Damocles Firestorm safely, putting their expansion on hold.
The end result of the conflict kind of sucked for both sides.

>>43887457

Tycho is dead

>>43887546
What Chapter Master died?

>>43881837
>presumably the rest of the ones they colonized

You pulled that one out of your butt.

>their entire command structure is cut off from the rest of the Empire

Only physical and temporarily. Communication through the gulf is still possible

>>43887619

The one from Raven Guard got trolled by Shadowsun and vaporized. Shrike is now the new Chapter Master.

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>>43887627
Did we even know the name of that guy? It's one of those infamous 'there is a chapter master but the captain is more important' things

>>43887625
physically*

>>43887643
Corvin Severax, or something. Not sure about hsi first name. I think he might have been mentioned by name before in some IA article or something, but I don't think he's ever had more fluff than "RG chapter master, much stealth, so mysterious". Kayvaan Shrike has alwasy been the "face" of RG, and is now their chapter master. I wonder if they'll update his rules to give him the extra attack and orbital bombardment in the next marine codex.

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>>43887457
Strictly speaking, the 4th edition Eldar codex which acknowledged Eldrad's death was still in use until 6th. But you're right, the only thing 5E fluff really kept from EoT was the 13th Black Crusade itself. Though 6E actually brought some bits back despite completely dropping any mention of Eldrad's Blackstone incident.

>>43887554
I was thinking of him too. Is he the only historical character in 40k that still has rules? Well, aside from Aun'Va now, obviously.

>>43887643
>>43887697
Yeah, Corvin Severax, because GW is oh so clever. As far as I know, he wasn't ever named until the original War Zone Damocles; before then, he only existed in the sense that the Raven Guard were a Space Marine Chapter and thus had a Chapter Master.

>firewall
>in space

Can't they just go over it?

>>43887742
Its not a wall, the whole gulf is on fire

>>43875922

>What about the people who bought his modle?

Not every battle has to take place 999 M41 23:59, you can play games that take place when he was alive.

You might as well ask people how they can play Horus Heresy games when Horus has been dead for ten thousand years.

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>>43875902
I must be misremembering it but I could've sworn that Kauyon mentioned that Sisters are part of the retribution force but I see no mention of them in Montka ?

Also, is there a list of the elements of Chapters other than White Scars and Raven Guard that took part in the battles or is there none so that players can use their Chapters ?

I'm fairly sure the ones that lost here were the knight familys.

They lost a shit load of familys and knights of various classes, and unlike the tau or straight up admech they can replenish that shit easily. The Imperum also probably lost a few century's worth of baneblades and other not easily replaceable shit.

Thats the thing about the Tau, they do recover quickly, Their factorys are still going to be pumping out crisis suits and riptides like nobodys business, and by the time the Imperium can muster another significant force to attack them their tech will have again improved a good deal, and god only knows what they will have next time especially since their head was assassinated by something they have never really had to deal with before, so they are obviously going to have developed some sort of countermeasures for that.

>>43887739

Corvin Severax has been mentioned in a few Raven Guard audiobooks, you get to follow his squad through the eyes of a Librarian as the go from scouts to becoming leaders of the chapter.

>>43887781

Only in a local sense. The size of the imperium means that they can redeploy other Baneblades and the like from elsewhere.
The knights are pretty fucked though.

Hell, if the 40k RPG's are canon they could literally just transport stuff from the Bastion Stars through the Achillius Warpgate and attack the Tau Septs from below.

>>43887758
Yeah, okay, but the gulf doesn't extend forever in all directions. I'm pretty sure that whole part of the galactic plane cannot be on fire.

>>43887809

It probably extends far enough to make the Tau's method of travel close to impossible, either due to risk of fiery murder, or the impractical length of time it would take to get around the wall.

>>43887761
Sisters got forgotten for better factions, again.

Sorry sisters this isn't the plastic models you were looking for.

>>43877594
>Tau kicked the shit out of the imperium during the Democales campaign.

They put up more resistance than expected and managed to turn the campaign into a slow trudge, but they were ultimately getting destroyed until the Imperium were forced to retreat by the Tyranid invasion.

>>43881385
>At least with Aun'va dead now the leadership will have to scramble for explanations why Orks are invading, and Aun'va's inspiring speech is simply repeating the same speech he gave last week about fighting the Imperium.
Yea, thats not how Tau AI works. He may as well still be alive

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>>43887787
Before or after the 2013/2014* War Zone?

* I remember it was released in 2014, though the book itself says 2013 which I assume would be when it was completed since these things are worked on well in advance.

>>43882142
>>43882183
>>43882187
>>43882197
>>43882208
>>43882274
Alirght can we just agree both sides fucked shit up messed up a bunch of valuable worlds a fuck ton of tau and humans are dead and both sides got their hands on each others tech

>>43882434
yeah the imperium lost doesn't mean the tau won

Man, some of the art in this book is fucking abysmal.

>>43887904

They're both from 2015, the audiobooks Loss and Alone.

>>43886509
Nothing in that paragraph affects Space Pope

>>43887807
Redeploy is the key word here, they cant easly mass produce baneblades and a crusade to kill the Tau arent going to get dibs on any new ones and its going to take forever for them to circulate back twoards that part of space unless there is another serious nid attack, ork shitstorm, or chaos somehow get a fleet to pop up over there.

Baneblades are sorta shitty vs tau anyway since they seem to accel at slaughtering imperium armor in literal droves

I never liked the pope. Why can't we get a Space Mao or Uncle Stalin?

>>43887063
>>43887165
>>43887206
I'm not sure if it can be called a failure but it definatly seems to be over while the tau regroup build up the forces and develop FTL to deal with the firewall

>>43886376
The perspective on this picture bothers me so much.
>Fuckhueg Ethereals
>Toy crisis suits
>Manlet Farsight

>>43887742
>>>43880937>>43882274That's cause most IA books are intented to showcase or update the models and rules for whatever race the book is about (Aphelion was Nids, Taros Tau, Mymera Eldar etc.), and the Imperium is there just so the race the book is about has something to fight against in the narrative (since the fluff for all IA books are written as sort of in-universe point of view, they kind of need the Imperium to be involved somehow so they can write from their point of view). >>43881837It was pretty much a loss or pyrrhic victory for everybody. Nobody really succeeded in their primary goal, or at least didn't succeed very well.Imperium's goal was to drive the Tau off the Agrellan system in particular and from Imperial space in general, and if possible destroy them completely. They failed to do that and lost a large amount of forces, including a Chapter Master of a 1st founding Chapter, making them unalikely to mount another crusade against the Tau for a while.Meanwhile the Tau repelled the Imperial crusade and technically held Agrellan, but aside from the capital city the whole planet is now covered in fire and kind of useless (although the true value of Agrellan for Tau was never the planet itself, but the fact that the system's location made it strategically very important), and their third sphere colonies and the expansion force are cut off from rest of the Empire untill the Earth Caste perfects the shields that let ships cross the Damocles Firestorm safely, putting their expansion on hold.The end result of the conflict kind of sucked for both sides.
Go over what? Fire can't burn in space, so this whole thing is laughable in the first place.

Just disregard it. It's 40k, shit doesn't make sense, and never will. The fire prevents space travel because 40k.

>>43876434
Tycho has been dead for years.

>>43888017
>Fire can't burn in space
It's a fucking plasma wall, dingus.

>>43879607
Ya know?

Aun'Shi as the head of the Ethereal Caste would rock hard. Even so far as that he'll probably change this and that about the case itself.

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holy shit the autism in this thread.

>>43888039
>Plasma wall
Riiight, gasmolecules totally stay in the exact same spot IN SPACE, an area that is constanly in motion.

It would never have the ability to stick around long enough to make any kind of difference to the progression of the Damocles Crusade.

Shit doesn't make sense, and it doesn't have to. It's 40k. Stop trying to justify it with armchair science.

>>43887807
Achilleus Warpgate is the one in Deathwatch, right? That's the only of the RPGs I can think of that features a warp gate and also Tau. In that case it wouldn't be very useful for attacking the Tau directly, though, as the Tau in the Jericho Reach are actually pretty far from the rest of the Empire (they launched the invasion there as a trial run to see if they can use other methods of expansion than their standard concentric spheres of expansion. unfortuntaely for the the Imperium also found a way back to the area around the same time), and more importantly because there's the Black Reef, an area of space with really bad warp travel conditions that's virtually unpassable for Imperial ships in the way (the Tau got past it because their ships just barely skim on the warp for short periods of time, and are thus unaffected by phenomena occurring "deeper" in the warp).

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It would makes more sense if the firewall is a warp-based phenomenon. This would also explain why the Imperium has not used this thing vs Abaddon.

>>43888116
maybe there's some warp shenanigans involved?

>>43886418
The Tau have minuscule warp presence, so being close to a Pariah would be LESS disturbing and frightening for them than a human.
But they would be disturbed and frightened.
Animus Speculum amplifies it enough to make it a weapon. This would hurt the Tau.
The Tau has also extra weakness to Culexus;
They don't usually believe this soul, warp, daemon mumbo jumbo because they can't see or feel it. Encountering Culexus Assassin would be absolutely horrifying to the Tau, because they wouldn't understand what the fuck is happening.
You close your eyes and still can see it
You shut your ears and still can hear it
It can't be filtered with optics or neglected with armor.

It's fear and disgust come flesh, unnatural thing that walks, looks and talks like human, but are less alive than a Gun Drone.
Pure horror.

>>43880399
>Eldrad has been retconned back to life.
What? When? Where?
How did I miss that?

>>43882341
>Titans
>Against Tau
That's a bad Idea. Killing single high value Targets is what Tau do best.

>>43888303

So, basically the Imperium should just sit back and let the Orks and Nids deal with the Tau?

>>43888331
Lots of IG in Carapace armor alongside Hydras and wastefull amounts of long range Artillery support (well dug in) would be my go to anti Tau army if I was in charge of a crusade.

>>43888263
Since the events of the old Eye of Terror campaign were retconned. Descriptions of fluff in the 6th and 7th edition Rulebooks, along with the Black Legion supplement, describe Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade occurring in a different manner to the events of the old worldwide campaign. It's like the Fantasy Storm of Chaos campaign - GW didn't issue a big, loud "we're scrubbing this and rewriting it, guys" announcement. They just started quietly over-writing it here and there until there were no remaining references to the original events.

>>43888331
>Lure Tau to the Octarius Sector
>Tyranids eat every single Tau, become more intelligent and get better weapons and stuff
>Tyranids now chomp up the Orks
>Tyranids somehow get orkish psychic powers too
>Tyranaurk Masterrace comes to existence
>Good job, Kryptman

I for one, welcome our new insectoid overlords

>>43888412
>Weeaboo ork bugs
plz no

>>43881385
>Or characters that they don't care for
You are missed Sergeant Bastonne.

>>43888472

Drawfags! You know what to do...

>>43888116
>what is a nebula

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>>43882142
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>>43887739
This guy is dead as well, coughed up his lungs on some death world.

>>43888472
>>43888487
Don't be delusional, these would be just regular Tyranids, with a little more beef and plasma-proof carapace.

Ok that sounds horrifying.

>>43881837

Imperium literally bombed and genocided half their own forces into oblivion and forced to retreat the whole sector and engluf it in Plasma

>BUH BUH BUH U SMELLY TAU FAGS DIDN'T GET THE PLANET HEHEHEHE :^)

Imperium literally getting desperate with this phyrric victories now

The imperium got into a fight with a non-completely insane race that uses actual tactics and practical weapons and their smoke censors and powerfists approach went about as you'd expect.

the tau got into a fight with a society 40,000 years older than theirs and 100,000 times their size and their lack of unutterably ancient doomsday weapons from a lost age went about as well as you'd expect.

In the end, billions died, everyone went home salty, and nothing of consequence changed.

>>43887997
>who was Goge Vandire

>>43887063
The Third Sphere is completely cut off from the rest of the Tau Empire. The Tau military has been torn apart, and the entire Damocles Gulf is gone.

>>43889681
>Imperium literally bombed and genocided half their own forces into oblivion and forced to retreat the whole sector and engulf it in Plasma
Desperate? That's a textbook Imperium victory. Millions of casualties, and the only thing to show for it is dragging their opponent down to their level. It's a doctrinal thing. The Tau call it victory when they get something to justify the casualties. The Imperium can just flip the table and not let anyone have anything, and because Bjorn is the only one in the Imperium who's ever experienced a non-Pyrrhic victory, no-one knows the difference.

Oh, and because some people can't tell, I am not "desperately trying to deny the Tau won." I am commenting on the perspectives in universe. You can't see it, but I can barely keep a straight face typing this stuff.

>>43889932
Not completely cut off. Ships can't travel though but information can. And it apparently only took days for the earth caste to put to together a design for shields that let ships pass through. The prototype still has a high failure rate, but given how quickly they managed to create one it probably won't take them long to make a fully functioning version. It's pretty much an excuse to keep the status quo, because the third sphere expansion is now on hold untill the timeline moves forward, which it never does.

>>43887988
Pretty sure Fish Pope isn't immune to close combat attacks.

>>43889937
>Bjorn is the only one who experienced a non phyrric victory

Image Bjorn hearing the news.

"Bjorn we totally smashed those Tau!"

"HOW SO?"

"We you see first we......"

"And to top it all off we sacrificed 50% of our forces and set their sector on fire with plasma!"

"THEY FUCKING WHAT."

>>43889937
I'd like to see the reaction of the High Lords of Terra on this.
"My Lords, reports from the campaign against the Tau are incoming!"
"Literally, who?"
"The Tau! Blue-skinned xenos who actually know how to build stuff properly and without machine spirits and holy rites for every light switch! They are resisting our crusade and are dealing quite some damage to our fleets, regiments and even the mighty Space Marines!"
"Hm, new technology, that sounds interesting indeed...anything about the Adeptus Mechanicus, have they recovered some technology to stu-cleanse from the xeno filth?"
"Yes my Lord, they recovered some things and went off the planet because of some rather untimely warp shenanigans"
"Alright, bomb the living shit out of these Tau. The whole sector, actually."
"But my Lord! Millions of honourable men are still there, trapped on the planet! Fighting in the Emperors Name! His mighty warmachines are still there, destroying the xeno menace! You can't just...kill all these servants of the Emperor!"
>*BLAM* HERESY suddencommissarissudden.spacejpg
"Servant445654523765, clean this mess up and make the astropath send the following, precise order: Blow the living shit out of the sector!""

>>43881757
>Ethereal Supreme
Yes, and a side of Heresy Fries and a Slaaneshi Slurp, please.

>>43889075
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>>43887457

>40k has had a few as well, like Lord Solar Macharius having rules

Back when we had more than 2 special characters literally every single one of them was dead.

St Celestine got better but the others didn't.

Defender of the Faith: Dead from old age after a long life spreading the word of the Emperor
St Paraxes: Dead via Hive Tyrant
Head of all the SOB: Vanished into the warp, missing for decades.

>>43882142
New toy? What new toy did the admech make from Tau shit?

>>43891972
The Worldfire missile, not Tau tech. Described as a "gift from Mars" before Hawke fired it. Probably not "new" to them, but we've never seen it before.

>>43887171
Did you use the toothpaste? This is important.

>>43891947
>got better
celestine was better when she wasn't a knock-off sanguinor, even if it meant she was dead

>>43892615

Knock-off Sanguior? Coming back from the dead has always been her thing.

>>43892748
correct. Becoming a spirit of vengeance and appearing in times of need was not.

>>43892748
She's a SoB, she will always be a knock-off.

>>43892789
Yeah, that was Legion's of the Damned thing.

>>43892789

Eh, I'm willing to give it a pass because she's literally divine intervention incarnate (It WAS the name of her special rule)

>>43891972

Nothing yet. They captured some terraforming devices and other things. The Imperial Guard and Marines wondered where the fuck were the Admech/Skittari that was on their flank a couple of seconds ago.

>>43875902
God I hate those models. They take everything interesting about the 1st gen of Ethereal models and shit all over them with gaudy retarded melee weapons and armour. If Va is dead in canon then good ridddance.

>>43881757
Christ that is some bad artwork.

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>>43882341
Best thing I've seen in a 40K thread this year

>canon in 40k

topkek

>inb4 someone posts that screenshot of Laurie Goulding that contradicts everything Black Library head publishers and Codex writers have been saying for years, giving credit to a man that said Black Library canon is more legitimate than the stuff in the Codexes

>>43893656
Everything with games workshop logo on it is canon.

>>43889075
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>>43893554
this is my favorite diorama

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I still think the techpriests misinterpreted the order from the high lords to install a firewall to get rid of all the eastern filth appearing on his monitors.

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>>43893975

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>>43893897
>shares more
What a based anon

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>>43894421

>>43893975
Underrated post

>>43887781
Omfg do you know how to take a word ending in -y and make it plural?

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>>43889201
Is he still dead in the digital codex? I know he was in his original fluff, but the 5th edition WD codex described him as though he were still alive - and that was, after all, the source that brought Celestine back, repeatedly.

On the other hand, the same WD codex actually confirmed Praxedes's death and made it much earlier than it originally was, but then they didn't bother to give her rules again either.

>>43893405
Aun'Va himself isn't really *that* gaudy though, compared to the other 4th edition Ethereals, and taking into account that he's the GREAT LEADER of the entire empire. Even the special Ethereal from the 3rd edition army deal looked slightly more decorated than the regular one, though the 4th edition models definitely did take it much further (and they were all eclipsed by that edition's army deal mini).

>>43896934

He's alive again.

>>43882434
I'm not sure it counts as either side winning when you consider the Imperium literally reduced thousands of light years to flaming plasma JUST to build a firebreak and deny as many of the conquests to the Tau as possible...

Interestingly. Can they use this thing to make a permamnent firebreak around most of the eye of terror?

What about to blow away entire hive fleets?

>>43886376
Oh man, I just realized.

Now they -have- to give the Tau some form of actual fucking FTL, otherwise they've just isolated the Tau -even more- from conflicts in the rest of the galaxy.

>>43886376
>The most immediate concern are the coming Tyranid invasion that it is likely to wipe out the Farsight Enclaves and fulfil the prophecy at last. The eight are likely to die and this will cause Farsight to achieve apotheosis.
prophecy?

>>43897372
Tau already have their FTL. They've reaffirmed that they got their jump-drives back.

>>43897413
can someone explain to me how the tau's FTL changed over the years?

>>43888412
actually given how fast Tau Tech adapts... that would likely just create the Tau singularity. Assuming they survive the first 5 minutes.

>>43897413
I thought their jump drives were simply the warp-skimmer?

Or did Medusa V actually pay off finally? We didn't drop a motherfucking asteroid on that planet for nothing.

>>43897475
They had jump drives, the 6e codex left it vague as to whether they did or not so a bunch of people assumed they no longer did, then a White Dwarf article clarified they still had it.

>>43897475
They've long been stated as having their skim-drives, which is also the main reason their spaceships happen to be shaped like they are. The flat angular shape is how they propel themselves forward more effectively across the warp, like skipping a stone.

Them not having skim drives means their ships are shaped like that for no reason.

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>>43887761

Seems like only WS and RG took part.

>>43887781

While the Imperium technically did lose stuff they can't replace, it's not like they don't have an unknown number they can call in as replacements. This is basically the mistake the Tau made at the beginning of Mont'ka, they underestimated the size of the Imperium and thought that, just like if the Tau had suffered such a loss on Prefectia, it would take the Imperium generations to recover and bring such a force of arms to bear.

>>43888159

From my understanding it was something kept by the Mechanicus on Mars and they're loathe to share.

>>43896934
Notice the "those models" in my post. I'm talking about all the 4th edition Ethereals, aka the things which shit gaudy retarded clothes and melee weapons - that don't fit with the rest of the Tau aesthetic and philosophy beyond over-the-top tines and the main logo - all over the original set.

>>43888041
I'd dig it.

>>43897689
Hot damn there's even more!

>>43898034
there's images all over the net, dude

>>43882826
>Reminder that real elves knocked Slaanesh out of the Great Game
>real elves
>2 elemental things captured slaanesh just because god of drugs and sex wasn't fit age raiting of fantasy-kids
AoS, please.

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>>43898280

>because god of drugs and sex wasn't fit age raiting of fantasy-kids

Nice meme

>>43898402
It's not the meme, it's reality, god of drugs didn't have the place in noblebrights fantasy for kids.

>>43897314
nah, they ignited the local nebula or something, probably wouldn't work elsewhere

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>>43898432

No it's a meme, Slaanesh disappearance is likely going to be a future plot point explained when Elves get their turn in the sun.

If Slaanesh was removed they wouldn't have shown pictures of models belong to him in any of the AoS books.

There wouldn't be a battle in the Lizardmen Battletome that was Lizardmen versus Slaanesh daemons.

Sigmar's battle versus a Keeper of Secrets trying to take Slaanesh's place wouldn't have been mentioned.

Archaon wouldn't have Slaanesh's symbol on his shield nor the Slaanesh keyword in his rules.

GW wouldn't have created a Slaanesh themed battalion that will likely have rules in the Everchosen Battletome.

It's a bad meme born out of a part of GW's fanbase ability to shit itself over nothing.

>>43898600
>look, sisters are mentioned here and here in some fluff, it means that they are not actually irrelevant nor are they not going to get support and new updates!

>look, squats are mentioned here and here...

>>43875922

Aun'Va is not a name, it's a title.

There's already a new Aun'Va by the end of Mont'Ka.

>>43898600
>explained when Elves get their turn in the sun.
>elves
>elementals of light and shadows who lived in elemental planes
>elves
kek, show me where they named as elves?
>Archaon wouldn't have Slaanesh's symbol on his shield nor the Slaanesh keyword in his rules.
Archaon didn't have slaanesh's head on his personal daemon prince.
>GW wouldn't have created a Slaanesh themed battalion
AoS have some official minis except Khorne and LGBT version of Space Marines?

Actual games take place all over the time line so what's the big deal about a character getting killed? If they're in the codex you can field them.

Two things stand out to me.

1. The imperium totally won. The damocles gulf is on freaking fire and they eradicated the sept world.
2. What is shadowsun going to do now that she is trapped on that side of the gulf? Totally team up with the badass himself is my guess.

>>43901691
The earth caste is working on a way to get through the Gulf, so it's not permanent. Really all she has to do is wait, and there are other colonies on her side of the gulf.

>>43901745
Yeah not really a victory.

>>43901691
The Imperium didn't really win by any reasonable definition. They just had to settle for literally burning the hopes and dreams of the Tau Empire to ash. Which is as good as they ever do, but not really a win. Seems to me that both sides lost. Which, when two of the "good guys" of the setting fight, sounds about what you'd expect.

>>43901745
>Really all she has to do is wait
with a short-lived race, that's not really a solution

>>43901803
I meant wait as in not a very long period of time wait, like months as opposed to years.

>>43901560
>Archaon didn't have slaanesh's head on his personal daemon prince.

Apparently this is explained in the White Dwarf that goes along with the model's release; the three heads on his mount represent a Champion each of Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch who tried to kill Archaon and were in turn killed and their power absorbed into his mount. Slaanesh had already been delt with, one way or another, by Malekith and Tyrion, or whatever they're calling themselves these days, so he couldn't send a Champion of his own after Archaon.

>>43901819
It does not work that way in 40k usually.

And the Imperium totally won.

>>43901560

>Archaon didn't have slaanesh's head on his personal daemon prince.

Because Slaanesh was missing by the time the other three gods tried to get Archaon to pledge sole allegiance to them. The heads are the result of Dorghar eating the remains of the champions sent to best Archaon.

>AoS have some official minis except Khorne and LGBT version of Space Marines?

All Fantasy models are AoS models.

>>43887546
>including a Chapter Master of a 1st founding Chapter
You mean Chucklefuck McNobody the Miniatureless?
Honestly, without having a miniature, and this an actual presence in game to any real degree, his death has as much gravity as the trillions of guardsmen the Imperium left behind to burn as they set a sector on fire.

>>43888039
Plasma fares about the same. No ability to retain heat and it'd disperse far to quickly.

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>>43886274
breh...
blue board.

>>43902599
Nigger, what the actual fucking shit is wrong with your ass? Are you literally an African nigger who can't understand language?

>>43893656
>Laurie Goulding
Literally who?

>>43901851
Nobody won

>>43902661
a content editor for the horus heresy who is trying to bully lesser nerds into following his headcanon

>>43902692
>insignificant losses, ultimately
>squad morale restored after setting Tau space on fire
>Orwell'va got the death all manipulative overlords deserve

No, the Imperium won pretty hardcore.

>>43902692
I'd say Admech.
They got to figure out what the bomb did and they almost certainly looted tech.

>>43902730
>Orwell'va got the death all manipulative overlords deserve
Careful where you throw those stones, the Imperium is rather full of transparent silica plates.

They lost trillions, lost lots of Marines including a Chapter Master, gain literally nothing and managed to slow the Tau down by maybe a decade at most.

The Tau gained ground, lost one world and Space Pope and has takenthe very first steps to reconcile with Farsight.

It's perfectly clear loss for the Imperium even by 40Ks stupidity and the sooner you and the rest of the IDF accept this and move on, the better.

>>43902773
>implying all Imperial players think obviously corrupt planetary governments who only pay lip service to their god and emperor are even true imperials

Back into your burning Gulf! Back!

>>43902781
>accept the words of a xenos sympathizer

>>43902781
Trillions? The Imperium didn't deploy trillions. Even billions would be charitable. Tens of millions, at the outside. Granted, it's still a lot, and out of what was deployed casualties were immense, but mind those zeroes. They are not trivial.

>>43902781
>rapidly expanding race has their rapid expansion literally and completely halted
ideologically, the tau lost hard core

losing big brother is also a significant blow

>It's a perfectly clear loss for the Imperium
Loss of manpower? absolutely, but that is not a new concept for the Imperium. The Tau have never truly been stopped like this, which is what's significant about the event.

Will anything come of it though? Doubtful. Status quo is god, as always.

>>43902885
>rapidly expanding race has their rapid expansion literally and completely halted

Ooh! Idea!

>trapped behind the Damocles Veil, the Tau Empire turns inward, seeking to assign the blame for their failure
>The government tears itself apart and fragments. Individual septs shut themselves off from outside communication
>T'au falls apart. The Empire has fallen. Citizens riot in the streets. Anarchy and chaos reign.
>Feudal wars culminate in the launching of superweapons. Nearly all life was destroyed.
>However, only humanity struggled to survive
wait, fuck

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>>43902885
>The Tau have never truly been stopped like this, which is what's significant about the event.

Phrased that way, it seems much like how the codex described the situation after the original Damocles Crusade:

>In the wake of their war with the Imperium, Aun’Va stood up in the High Council of Ethereals and voiced his concerns. He implored the Ethereal Supreme, Aun’Wei, then in the twilight of his days, for the rights to reclaim Tau losses. The Tau harbour an unquenchable confidence in their own destiny and are determined that their methods are the best. However, after their long retreat across the Damocles Gulf, and their firsthand experience with the formidable forces of the Imperium, many of the Tau were filled with self-doubt. This was not a race that had tasted defeat before, in any of their prolonged endeavours. Aun’Va argued that without action, cracks would form in the foundation of their carefully orchestrated beliefs – and this must not come to pass. Sensing the truth of this, the ancient Ethereal nodded, leaving the details for Aun’Va to organise.

>>43903144
That may be, but they have never had a storm of hellfire physically preventing them from moving beyond their borders. Sure, they'll figure out a way to get past it after a few years, but this is 999.M41. In a few years, one way or another, it will not matter.

>>43903144
>after the original Damocles Crusade
In a sense, but it's different. Remember the original damocles crusade came with the promise of relatively undefended imperial planets to influence, as the Imperium went to reinforce against Hive Fleet Behemoth. In the modern retcons that's what spurred the entire third sphere expansion onwards.

This ends with one big wall of fuck your progress, fuck your third sphere, no more planets for you. It also features them losing their most venerable leader who planned all the asspull shit that went on to make the third sphere such a success.

>>43893688

Yeah, no. The gist was, "Anything with a 40k logo on it is AS canon as anything else."

It was phrased that way because Merritt had just got through saying that 40k lore is a mix of truth, lies and misremembered anecdotal testimony and that, from an editorial viewpoint, believing that all three types of tale are equally valid makes his job IMMENSELY easier.

And that's what's important ...

ref: ADB's "Loose Canon"

>>43902396

This is true, but in universe the death of the Chapter Master of a 1st Founding Chapter is supposed to be a big deal.

Honestly Aun'va is kind of in the same boat, should the fact that he is dead and/or how it happened be revealed, it'll likely be a big deal for the Tau. However, I don't think players really give a damn since Farsight and Shadowsun have always been more popular.

>>43902700

Or put them on the right path. I'm somewhat more inclined to believe his interpretation of things since he is a BL editor compared to ADB who is merely a freelance writer. Doesn't help that in that very same blog post ADB admitted that he'll ignore or change things if he doesn't like them.

I basically see such an interpretation as wishy washy bullshit meant to prevent nerds from having their feelings hurt because their special snowflake chapter isn't possible or to pacify those who cling to books written decades ago that that they first read not long after they stopped shitting themselves.

>>43904809

As a BL editor it's not an interpretation really, if his company had a different idea he wouldn't be in the position any longer after saying that stuff. GW is one of the most anal businesses around.

>>43904860

I'll admit that I still like that he called out Warseer (And what he basically said applies to the GW fanbase as a whole) on its shit.

I seriously think that the way fans act on the internet is why at least some in the GW Design Studio want nothing to do with the fanbase unless it's in real life.

>>43904809
>since he is a BL editor compared to ADB who is merely a freelance writer
I'm gonna trust Alan Merritt over both, considering he's one of the (near) founding members of the company and head of their intellectual property, rather than a no-name content editor or freelance author. And his word is that everything with a logo on it is as canon as everything else. Warts and all.

>>43875902
The only thing I get out of all of this is that the Imperium has the ability to set space on fire. Not just set it on fire, but have it burn for the foreseeable future and have enough of it burning so that going around the burning parts is not a viable solution. And they use it on the Tau. Not the Nids, for whom it'd destroy biomass that couldn't be immediately replace, not the Orks, who could be provoked into flying through it with childish taunts, and not Chaos, who would have to attack Cadia through a field of "holy shit everything's on fire," but the Tau.

>>43902781
>Chapter Master

What who?

>>43902733
"Hey did you bychance bring that bomb thing we found in the basement?"

"Yeah."

"Wanna test it?"

*Suddenly everything is Plasma Fire*

"Oh. So that's what it does. Neat."

Such is life in the Admech.

>>43888412
or
>orks krump the fuck out of bugs
>meks stick electrodes on their tiny pea brains like cockroaches
>army of orks riding swarm of plasma-proof looted nids with railguns for cocks

>>43901803

She's been on ice for centuries at this point, it's fine.

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>>43902781
>Space Pope and has takenthe very first steps to reconcile with Farsight.
What? Did you even read the bloody book, the High Ethereal council officially declared him a heretic and ordered for his capture (and most likely execution). Aun'va, before getting slaughtered by the culexus assassin, could barely stand Farsight's presence since Farsight didn't give a shit about the usual Tau customs of respects towards him.

And the T'au pretty much have their entire Manifest Destiny ideal shattered into bits with this conflict. They barely scrapped by, and what was basically their factions leader is dead, and they have to figure out a way of breaking out that news without inciting mass panic. While they only lost one world, that is a major blow to them compared to the Imperium that could spare to lose a couple dozen.

I like the Tau, they aren't my favorite faction (Farsight Enclaves are really neat though), but I like what they bring to the 40k Universe. But pretending that the second Damocles battle was in their favor is just fucking retarded.

>>43902781
With trillions the tau would had no chance, that's tyranid level invasion with competent command structure, also trillions of guardsmen is like 4-5 sept's, not worth it for the tau to spend that many numbers.

>>43905094
An anon before had a nice explanation for it.>>43898477

It may not be perfect, but at least it's a start to suspend your disbelief.


Orks and chaos have warp travel to get around it while nids have the patience anyway.

>>43905214

Corvin Severax

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>>43893975

I'm a tau player but this is upsetting to me. Anyone with two braincells can see that this is a loss for our beloved Tau. Imperials can lose ten times that number of units and it won't matter, they win as long as they accomplish their goal regardless of losses.

And that's why this upsets me. The Tau get nothing but shit on more and more and more, and the imperium keeps getting fluffed. Now the imperium, having killed a Tau Leader, are just waiting for one thing to go wrong and half of the Tau empire crumbles into civil war when they find out.

I'm fucking pissed.

>>43905978
don't forget we still don't get any realistic warp drive so they can't even seriously bypass the plasma cloud or expand in the other directions either!

>>43905990
You are correct. It's like the Tau are just a placeholder, though I guess I cannot be TOO upset with the plot advancing. I guess cancer is still worse than what has been happening to Tau.

>>43901691

Farsight already left. Unless his return to the Farsight Enclaves is a timeskip, I bet Shadowsun can also do the same.

>>43906003
I think it all comes down to them having written themselves into a box.

This entire thing would have been HELLISHLY more interesting if it was written in the centuries following the death of the emperor rather than 10,000 years later.

Where -everybody- is fresh faced empires trying to get their shit off the ground after Slaanesh's birth cries blew away most of the warp storms and allowed warp travel once more.

If it was timed right, it could even include most of the same themes even.

>>43888039
>>43888116
>>43902460
Although referred to as fire, they probably mean it in the (typical for the Mechanicum) alchemeichal sense, as they talk of it being "corrosive". The Damocles Gulf was always hazardous and is a nebula, and it probably hasn't been lit on fire so much as they changed the chemical nature of it somewhat to become more chemically volatile. They specifically mention that "carefully mapped routes" no longer exits, and they can't just barrel through because few ships make it. Since the Tau use sub-light travel and have and no warp access, they likely need to plot routes where traveling at near-light-speed doesn't result in even flecs of space-dust peppering them because that'd be enough to destroy them in short order. So now that the Damocles Gulf is more agitated, previously stable routes (probably made stable due to localized gravity wells) are no longer stable because the more agitated gas can "swirl" more, and they have to calculate new ones (if any exist) or come up with some other kind of solution.

On the planet, it works because it's been fine-tuned to not just the atmosphere but the storm that the Earth Caste engineered. That's a very specific fuck-you from Mars.

Honestly, I'm glad that the Tau expansion has halted, for now. I can't see the Tau Empire expansion not leaving them increasingly more vulnerable to over-extension without better FTL. Aso having an AI leader is pretty cool.

>>43881991
>>43882093
Yeah, Ork blood was green once too.

Then they decided that, when you paint the models, green on green (or blue on blue as the case may be) looks like crap, or nothing.

They actually published a specific retcon in White Dwarf in the 90s to explain why Ork blood wasn't green anymore, and never actually was.

Idiots.

>>43882134
>Knights are almost irreplacable
Didn't the Obsidian Knight get destroyed and then reappeared fully functional in this exact campaign?

>>43905990

I think there's a precedent of finding alternative routes besides the Damocles Gulf. It's just the Damocles Gulf was the shortest route of expansion.

>>43906149

Obsidian Knight is magic immortal at this point. Nobody knows why.

>>43906056
>centuries following the death of the emperor rather than 10,000 years later
the scouring is basically just marinehammer 31k, with the Ultramarines kicking johnny heretic out of the Imperium.

All of the minor alien races are still hiding or fucking dead because the great crusade and horus heresy were kind of huge deals.

>>43882183
>And the Tau stole Imperial tech.
They've always done that. It's helped them before but they give the impression that they've learned everything they can from what they have (Farsight complains that "[Imperium] only seems to value armour" instead of mobility for defence).

Anyway, how much Earth Caste is there on this side of the Damocles Gulf to do anything with it?

>>43905422
>And the T'au pretty much have their entire Manifest Destiny ideal shattered into bits with this conflict.

I don't think so. It's just a setback. A lesser one than the First Damocles Crusade.

>>43906171

Communications are still intact with the rest of the Empire. Just send in the drones.

>>43906173
>A lesser one than the First Damocles Crusade.
Yeah man the spiritual (and in many ways tactical) center of the tau was killed and their progress is dramatically and physically stymied instead of obligingly allowed free reign.

What a minor setback this is in comparison. Good thing there ethereal who allowed the tau to bounce back in the face of the first crusade is still around to get the empire back on its- oh wait.

>>43887876
Read the 3th ED codex. The Imperials were stalemated and were going to withdraw before news of the Tyranids arrived.

4th ED codex outright says that the Crusade had negligible chance of victory.

Which planet was destroyed again? Was it Agrellan or Prefectia? Weren't they planning to turn Prefectia into a giant generator or something?

>>43881423
You people are stupid. The Imperium reclaimed nothing. They destroyed one world and set empty space on fire.

All the worlds that Tau claimed are still in Tau hands.

>>43887540
When you're traveling interstellar distances at sub-light speeds, any route other than the shortest one is probably not worth taking at all... a mere slight deviation could be decades.

>>43906239

They deleted any mention of sub-light speed in the new codex.

>>43906198
Shadowsun is still alive and leading the expedition forces.

The wider Empire does not know Aun'Va s dead and his "ghost" is making speeches to hearten the Tau. In time the Ethereal council will appoint his successor.

The only real obstacle is the fire region and it's going to be fixed.

>>43906219
Agrellan

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>Demon Emperor Farsight is going to conquer Prefectia and build a twin empire on the other side of the Firewall.

>>43906210

>In retaliation for the Tau expanding into their territory, the xenophobic Imperium launched the Damocles Crusade. It was a broad attack to reclaim the planets colonized by the Tau and the Imperium drove the xenos back across the Damocles Gulf all the way to their sept world of Dal'yth. Mankind's onslaught was only brought to an end when the Imperium's forces were called back to deal with other galactic threats. Yet even that first taste of defeat did not quell the Tau's ambition; they rebuilt and soon began preparation for an even greater attempt.

This is from Mont'ka.

>>43906283
I again repeat what I said. Read the 3th ED codex. The Crusade commander was already ordering a withdraw before news of the Tyranids came.

What news of the Tyranids did was force those in the crusade that refused to heed the withdrawal order to quit the fight.

>>43906300

>Read the 3th ED codex

Why? It's no longer relevant in light of new material.

I don't know why the concept that new material overrides old is such a hard concept to grasp. One takes precedence over the other, simple as that, you don't try and reconcile them.

>>43906265
>The only real obstacle is the fire region and it's going to be fixed.
yeah man, having the brains behind the tau's success six feet under is not an obstacle at all

>>43887063
>How is their Third Shpere expansion a failure? Are you retard? The Imperium nuked one world and set a uninhabitable region of space on fire.
>The rest of the TSE worlds and colonies are okay albeit temporarily cut off from the Empire.
>>43887206
>The event isolated the rich TSE septs from the Tau Empire. However, The Tau expedition and the Farsight Enclave forces are on the other side with them so they can still be defended. The Tau are working on ways to traverse the flaming gulf and had success somewhat.

Just how many planets do you think the Third Sphere expansion has conquered so far (only Agrellan, Prefectia, Voltoris, Doth, Delinquence and Carradon were mentioned)? Just how much resources do you think they have of their own without supply from the Empire? Especially with the cream of their Earth Caste and most advanced colonizing tech perishing on Agrellan.

The Third Sphere Expansion force split in two - one to hold Agrellan and the other to consolidate Prefectia. When the Imperium came to smash Agrellan, that half of the Tau force was small enough that ShadowSun could not have held them without Farsight and had no other choice. Even if they have forces many times as great returning from Prefectia, they're stretched awfully thin without supply from the empire while they spend the decades they need to properly settle planets, manufacture equipment, and train new generations.

Also, they still have no fucking idea how the Imperial fleet appear out of nowhere bypassing all of their long-range sensors, which is why they had a minimum of three months to have to hold out when surprised. Even if the Imperium isn't interested in smashing them anymore, they have no way of knowing/believing that, and will not be able to settle any captured worlds that are too far apart to protect until they've ramped up their forces in the Third Sphere (a multi-generational effort) or managed to find a way to traverse the Damocles Gulf again.

>>43906149
The obsidian knight is the green knight now, also Mars and many other forge world's still produce them at high numbers, there are even forge worlds with capable of producing them, and I believe there is a bit of cannon on the knight codex that speaks about a knight world with STC that some Mechanicum assholes attempting to steal them and almost provoking an open war between the knight world and the Imperium.

>>43906314
Because it tells the whole story and you don't seem to get it.

When the fleet commander ordered the withdrawal he was met resistance from elements of his crusade (Marines and inquisitorial force) that refused to quit the Tau against the Tau. The Crusade was going to tear itself apart between two factions which was covered in the "Savage Scars" novel.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/savage-scars-ebook.html

The Crusade technically ended with news of the Tyranids came and the faction of the crusade that wanted to stay and fight had no choice but to follow orders and leave with rest of crusade.

>>43906362

Again, old material.

Done arguing this because it's never going to get resolved, you believe old material still holds water when it's directly contradicted by new and I don't.

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All that it is beyond the Firewall (Farsight Enclaves, Imperium, Tau Empire Remnants) is going to fall to the coming Tyranid invasion anyway.

>>43906340
>Just how many planets do you think the Third Sphere expansion has conquered so far (only Agrellan, Prefectia, Voltoris, Doth, Delinquence and Carradon were mentioned)? Just how much resources do you think they have of their own without supply from the Empire? Especially with the cream of their Earth Caste and most advanced colonizing tech perishing on Agrellan.

Dozens of worlds.

The TSE does not just encompass the Dovar system. The TSE has 4 confirmed Septs and Tau septs are by nature self reliant. Also the newly assimilated Lagan system.

There is enough forces between The Enclaves and Shadowsun's and Aun'va's coalitions to protect these worlds until a solution is found.

>>43906387
Except it's not contradicted. The old material in this case has the full context while the "new" does not.

>>43906395
>Implying

The Court of the Silent King murmurs about he Great Awakening. Soon the Necrons will bring war to the Great Devourer.

>>43897413
>Tau already have their FTL. They've reaffirmed that they got their jump-drives back.
>>43897559
>They had jump drives, the 6e codex left it vague as to whether they did or not so a bunch of people assumed they no longer did, then a White Dwarf article clarified they still had it.
>>43897610
>They've long been stated as having their skim-drives, which is also the main reason their spaceships happen to be shaped like they are. The flat angular shape is how they propel themselves forward more effectively across the warp, like skipping a stone.
>Them not having skim drives means their ships are shaped like that for no reason.

Here's the problem: those drives were only ever described as being much faster than what they had before, never as being FTL.

They don't describe, in any way, how they could have achieved FTL, nor how they resolve the anomalies of general relativity by having FTL. (Warp tech is "it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit" and they freely admit to temporal anomalies and paradoxes resulting from it.)

By all indication they still use sub-light speed tech. It might be .99 light speed, but it's still sub-light speed.

Never, ever, have they said otherwise. It's always just vaguely "faster than ever before".

And it might not seem like it, but .99 is way faster than .9, so it's reasonable.

>>43906334
I am sure Aun'shi would be a suitable replacement for him.

Anyway, any idea why the Ethereal influence did not affect Farsight and his army?

>>43906168
minor alterations then. Have it so the great crusade didn't get as far as it did originally. I mean, seriously, the way this is written leaves it NO WHERE to go.

>>43906476
>minor alterations then. Have it so the great crusade didn't get as far as it did
that's not a minor alteration

>>43886418
It's like when gays were catching HIV because the male immune system isn't as good at stopping it.

Would a pariah affect the Necrons?

>>43906438
I forgot that the tau empire it's also dangerously close to the necrons, I wonder how will they deal with them when they wake up.

>>43906525
The Necrons are already awoken. The Tau are neighbours to the largest Necron dynasty in the galaxy and it has already taken two worlds from the Tau and attacked others.

But fortunately for the Tau, the dynasty is gearing for war with Ultramar.