Exalted General

>>43849674
In my game, while he hasn't been summoned yet, there's a group of mortal cultists working on summoning a Second-Circle Demon of Malfeas, who's got a huge boner for sadistic sex/sexual torture/50 shades level BDSM.

So far, though, all they've accomplished is a few mutilated corpses left hanging around the city with "DEMON-SENPAI loves you" written nearby in the dead fuck's blood.

>>43849732
>50 shades level BDSM.
So, rape.
You're on 4chan, anon.
You can just say rape.

>>43849896
Just "rape" doesn't imply the whips and chains kind of shit I meant what I said that.

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Serpent-Knotting Circle Strike
Cost: 4m; Mins: Martial Arts 3, Essence 1
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: Mastery, Withering-only
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None

The mongoose dashes under and around her mortal enemy, binding it up in its own coils. The pain of her bite distracts it from realizing that it can no longer defend its neck. Serpent-Knotting Circle Strike allows the martial artist to add (her Athletics/2, rounded up) to the raw damage of an attack. If the attack is successful, she may reflexively take aim against her target.

Mastery: A target struck by Serpent-Knotting Circle Strike more times in a scene than their Resolve automatically gains a minor Tie of respect towards the martial artist. Against targets who hold an Intimacy of respect that applies to her, the martial artist adds her full Athletics to raw damage.

Too much? Just right? Melee style. Short swords, knives, one-handed spears, medium armor.

>>43850283
>that pic
The fuck happened to... Dante was the name of the guy from DMC wasn't it?

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>>43849896

>>43850308
He went to Hollister? I don't know, I just like the axe.

>>43850396
Axe?
Looks like a glaive with bloody cloth hanging from it

>>43850419
I think that's definitely meant to be some kind of improbably-grown demon chitin, hence the whole shaped-like-an-axe thing it's got going on, but whatever, maybe he just likes mounting hell-bug pieces on his glaive. I don't know. I probably shouldn't have posted the Charm with a distracting picture.

>>43850308
Some dude decided to reboot DMC and made it terrible as shit.

Ugh, I have a problem. I'm DMing for my Exalted group. They've finished the first campaign plotline, where they saved the city they were in from a mystery arsonist. Now they're just...

Well, faffing around doing nothing. The plot hook about Party Member A's great-great-great-great-+-grandmom, Mnemon "Mnemon" Mnemon, inviting her to the Blessed Isle even though she has an idea that her grand-etc-daughter's a Solar now, was completely ignored.
The (potential) plot hook about the raksha trading post town was completely ignored.
At this point, I don't have much to work with:

• The party's on their way to an old First Age ruin to search out some old scrolls. Basic dungeon crawl. I was planning to have the party encounter some Lunars in there but not sure where to go from there.
• Party Member A got a job at a chain of gambling houses, gambling for the house and helping high rollers lose. This might require her to travel eventually. But I'm not sure how to work that into a plot hook...

I mean, I could probably just, y'know, frantically make stuff up related to these, which has been working so far. But short of burning down the party's home city AGAIN, I can't see much that'll get them to commit to one plotline and start a new full campaign story... in any direction.

Help?

>Exigents

I liked them better when they were called God-blooded tbqh senpai

>>43850920
Well, depending on why Mnemon wants to see her descendant, she might take action even if they do nothing. Not a lady you want to piss off, normally.

Lunars are sometimes possessive of Moonsilver, if your circle has any. Also, the whole Solar/Lunar Mate thing, but I'm sure you thought of that. An experienced Golden Widow could make a nice recurring problem regardless of where your circle decides to go fuck around.

First Age ruins are full of shit that is valuable, dangerous, or both. Maybe one of those scrolls is a fragment of the Broken Winged Crane or something else that should really, really be destroyed instead of delivered to the client.

>>43851242

>Liminals

I liked them better when they were called Abyssals tbqh senpai

>Different Skies: Intended to be the first of the new format of setting books, reimagining both the River Province (also known as the Scavenger Lands) in light of a more aggressive Mask of Winters and deep-seated political turmoil, as well as the far West, which is caught in the middle of the civil war preparing to shake the Realm while it also contends with the Fae and their own deathlord. 212 pages.

Easily my least favorite billed publication for ex3. I sure as shit didn't like navigating through books like Outcaste in 1e to play bingo with which book had what information about such and such region. What was wrong with organizing them by direction and sub-setting like the Compass Books?

Can you use Craft charms with a Craft AAbility that has a lower rating than the Minimum for the charm (As in, I have a Craft(1) at 5 and Craft(2) at 3 and I'm trying to use a Min. Craft 4 charm with Craft(2))?

>>43851346
because that's not """"""organic""""""

>>43851358

Didn't help their charm section much either!

>devs make bullshit excuses about 'magitech ruining the mythical mystique of ye olden Exalted 1e' and that they're 'going back to their roots!'

>cite Wonders of the Lost Age being the third book released ruined 2e from its inception with loads of goofy gear options and warstriders

>first book after ex3 core has rules for shitloads of artifacts, evocations and fucking Warstriders

The irony is palpable.

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>>43851371
It's not? They're trying to introduce a different feel to the Artifacts this edition, so of course they have to put out a supplement to contrast the existing 2e artifact paradigm.

>>43851393

>>43851393
>>43851371
I'm not saying they'll succeed, mind you, but the reasons are valid.

>>43851393

>its totally different guise! just ignore the escaflownes and gundams!

also

>implying anyone wants a fucking Arms and Armoury book, a Tome of Spells book, or a fucking make-your-superfriends-base-also-magic-loots book before actually useful setting material or other Exalted splat books

>>43851393

I would care less if it wasn't following the same fucked pattern as 2e and pushing back desired Exalted books or location material or wasn't such an obvious set up to give you lots of toys and then a big Realm book and Dragon-Blooded book so you can smash your 'inferiors' and feel like a good strong Solar ubermensch like Holden wants you to.

Can we please not descend into complete autism again? The last thread was a fucking breath of fresh air.

How well would a summoning focused character work in 3e? One who fights via summoned elementals rather than personally?

Or is this an area where you'd need to have a full army of them to deal with any reasonable foe? (I'd prefer to summon one bigass elemental rather than a horde to solve problems)

>>43851856
Option 1: You take sorcery and summon fucking monster gorillas 1/day that last a full year. You also take War to buff battle groups of said gorillas.

Option 2: You take a spirit Familiar and Survival buff charms.

>>43851889

How well does a spirit familiar/survival character work?

I'll admit: I was leaning more Elementals than Demons. I'm seeing the character more as a naturalistic shaman than a demonologist/learned magician.

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>>43851898
Elemental summoning and Demon summoning is basically interchangeable in this case.

The Familiar merit allows you to take a magically enhanced or godblooded animal as a mystical pet, but you can make spirit familiars with that one Occult charm and the Twilight anima power.

For how well does it work, I have no idea, it's probably less strong in combat and has way less utility than Sorcery + War, but you have a closer bond with your familiars.

>>43851936
>>43851898
Oh and for the familiar route you definitely need Ride too.

So for familiars you need: Occult, Survival and Ride.

For summoning you'd need Occult and War.

>>43851960

Ride? Even if you don't plan to actually ride it?

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>>43851963
You can get multiple familiars or just regular tamed beasts, so why not ride one?

I guess you can do about as well without it.

>>43851856
Battlegroups of summoned elementals are fucking ridiculous, especially once you start using Workings

>>43850569
>This is what this anon actually believes.

>>43850920

Well, people come to them! Dudes start worshipping them. Merchants want to marry off their daughters to them. The neighboring city peeks in and is like "Holy shit, who are these people? They're amazing!"

Just think - Imagine if Superman turned up in a city, and starting performing miracles. How would people respond? At the very least, the whole Circle could be invited to a fancy-dress ball. The local God gets jealous of the worship they're receiving. The most beautiful girl in the city turns up on their doorstep, and she's not taking no for an answer.

The Deathlords take an interest. Hell, maybe an Infernal is somewhere out there soiling their good name. Or word that the Lawgivers have returned have travelled far and wide, and pilgrims are coming to pay homage.

One of the party members had a First Age incarnation here, and he built something beneath the city (Or he built something INTO the city) that the party should really check out.

Two heirs of the city's biggest families are getting married, and they want the Eclipse Caste to seal the pact, or the Zenith to bless them in the name of the Unconquered Sun.

>>43852315

Tell me more about the waifus.

>>43850920

Exalted really is a game where all of the PCs need goals beyond "fuck bitches, get money."

• You could make Mnemon awfully insistant, sending small Wyld Hunts their way. Try not to end up under the Nail in Pneuma.

• Lunars would be a great way to introduce a recurring antagonist. An encounter with another Exalt will always be a big deal.

• Local mob wants to do something about PCs rival venture taking money out of the city. The proceed to try and make an example out of them, whether it's burning down their casinos or terrorizing their customers. The mob will likely try to call down a Wyld Hunt if the realize they're dealing with Anathema. Bonus, mob could be in the pockets of the Lunar they're going to meet in the dungeon.

Speaking of which. What does the Lunar want? Surely it's more than fuck bitches, get money, right?

>>43852356

Well, gothy Abyssal Day Caste who has fled to the city and begs the Solars to show her how to become one?

A dragon-blooded magistrate's lovely daughter who's about to face a kidnapping attempt?

Something something Lunar waifu Past Lives.

>>43852415

I've always made things constantly happen to the PC Circle, and had those escalate. When you act, shit happens, and that has ripple effects. Eventually, you find yourself fighting an entire Legion at the head of an army chanting your name, and it's all tied together with the first time you saved someone from persecution by bandits.

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How do you do large improvised throwing weapons like pillars lifted by a feat of strength?
What do you do when a player wants to use a greatsword as a thrown weapon?

Would you say Moonshadow NPCs can learn ghost/Nephwrack charms via their Eclipce keyword?

>>43852430

Pillar (Heavy Weapon)
Tags: Bashing, Thrown (Short)

You ca throw a weapon using Melee if you've the right charms, otherwise give him something like a -3 penalty and then make him go pick up his weapon from however many range bands away. Don't let him use the usual tags, either.

Has the Immaculate Order something against heroic mortals?

>>43852533
No. But they have something FOR Dragonbloods, while they don't for mortals.
Basically, non-Dragonblooded are second class citizens.

>>43852559

It's times like this that I wonder how the Usurpation ever took place. I mean, you had all those guys at the Calibration Banquet, right? Even if they were only in their double-digits, that's enough Lawgivers to form the most brutally effective fighting force ever. Probably more than few Primoridal War veterans, too.

Queen Mera was there too, wasn't she? I thought she was an Essence 10 Solar.

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>>43852620
Good (Sidereal) planning, astrological buffs, 200 000 DBs and completely unexpected attack.

The Solars thought it inconceivable that someone could actually defeat them, they were careless.

>>43852620
Sidereals Ruin Everything (Arguably)

>>43852620

The vast majority of Solars plus many of their Lunar mates. Allegedly, all of the Dawns died there, but many other Solars escaped and had to be hunted down.

>>43852645
I recall that many of the Lunars betrayed the Solars.

>>43852635
Am I reading that image right? The guy set up an elaborate stage for a battle. Then some guy blew it up with a phone bomb?

>>43852620
Don't forget super-potent poisons. Sure, some few Solars have Immunity to Everything technique but everyone else takes something like a -5 to defence and dicepools during the fight.

>>43852664
Yep

>>43852664
Exactly. Shadowrunning.png

>>43852664
Yeah.
Magus aren't into common sense, which Emiya Kiritsugu has.
Earned him the nickname of Magus Killer.

>>43852635

In First Edition, I was thinking it'd be possible. In Second Edition, rather less so. Dreams of the First Age has (for example) the Hierophant keep a Titan in Elsewhere, in case he needs to whip out the big guns.

If I was a Dawn (assuming I showed up completely unarmed and unarmored, which is unlikely) I can think of a million ways to immediately get my hands on a weapon. You'll have guys killing power-armored soldiers by throwing forks and dinner plates, or using the really bizarre MA styles to punch time and space.

I mean, the Lotus Massacre in RotSE is slightly more plausible than the big massacre here.

>>43852684
Oh, of course many pulled artifact weapons out of their asses, but there were 300k DBs. Mote and WP tapping is inevitable.

>>43852697
>but there were 300k DBs

wot

>>43852703
200k to 300k, yes.

>>43852710

I can't help but wonder how many of the Solars were suicidal in some way. Like, you've basically seen all there is to life, right? After several thousand years of being God-King, things would get boring eventually.

But at the same time, Exalted is kind of bleak when it comes to the afterlife. When you die, you lose EVERYTHING - All of your shit is gone forever. And you can't get any better than being a Solar Exalted at the top of his game.

>>43852729
>Like, you've basically seen all there is to life, right?
Oh hell no. They were inventing and trying new things all the time. Dangerous things. That was half the reason they had to be Usurped.

>>43852729
I can see an old, arrogant Solar go to hos death with the firm belief that he will earn a Solar Exaltation again in some future life. His soul is obviously awesome, after all. I also like the idea of some ancient, grim Dawn starting to laugh with genuine happiness when he gets over his initial shock and realizes what's going on - finally some action with something meaningful at stake!

>>43852790

I wonder if any of them thought:

> "Wow, I guess this is how the Primoridals felt. What goes around, comes around, eh?"

Is Lytek still a thing in 3e?

>>43852817
Presumably, and Ketchup is STILL not a happy bunny.

>>43852815

Or:

> "Oh come on, I only got to be an Exalted for three months. Man, maybe I REALLY shouldn't have left my small peasant village."

>>43852817
Confirmed to exist, yes.

>>43852835
Man, now I feel bad for that guy.

>>43852845

Did the devs mention him at all?

>>43853050
Yes. http://avatarcomic.net/exalted-wiki/Exalted_3E:What_We_Know
Look under the 3e Setting.

>>43851411
>just ignore the escaflownes
Guymelefs.
The mechs in Escaflowne are called Guymelefs.
Escaflowne was the name of a very specific Guymelef built by the Ispano, a race of servant engineers created by the Atlanteans, who survived the catastrophe that occurred when the Atlanteans fired up their version of the Fate Alteration Engine and ripped the world asunder with all their conflicting desires.

>>43853133
Cool story bromelef

>>43850920
Perhaps you should make the campaign about the city then?

>>43851354
Fuck if I know, but I'm leaning towards 'Yes'

If you can't, that implies terrible fucking things like having to buy a copy of every charm for each different craft.

>>43851354
I'd say no.
>>43853550
No, it just implies that you need to meet the minimum ability requirement in order to use the charm with that specific ability.

So, EG, if you bought the charm when your first Craft hit 4, and you've got a second Craft, you can only use it with the first one. If you later increase the second Craft to 4, you can start using that charm with it.

>>43852442
Yes. Also everything with an Eclipse keyword.

Thanks for all the campaign help ideas!

>43851251
Yeah, might go with Mnemon doing something, especially since she wants to use the solars for black ops work that she has a hold over due to them being solars. She'll probably send more and more urgent-sounding letters.... and then step things up.

No party moonsilver. They just Exalted (the campaign started as a Mortal campaign), but I do like the idea of the Lunars popping up around them on a regular basis.

And first age artifacts of doom are fun!~ [taking notes] Maybe I can have the quest giver turn out to be more than they seem or smth.

>43852315
No one knows they've Exalted yet. It happened when they were fighting the final boss of the previous campaign, and everyone who could have witnessed it was evacuated due to giant flamey death guy in red jade armor.

The ride-along Sidereal who was making damn sure the party didn't get killed before they Exalted (and who Party Member A GUESSED was a Sidereal thanks to being a Mnemon + a very, very high Lore roll) explained before she left about the Wyld Hunt and the importance of keeping this stuff under their hats. Even if they don't actually wear hats.

That said, the 'First Age Incarnation' thing is something I can still bring in that doesn't require anyone to know the party's an Exalt.

>43852415
Mentioned Mnemon and Lunars above, but criminal activity could be useful. The Zenith did wanna establish a missionary post in the city, to spread the cult they were in before they exalted. He'd a smite-y type, so he'd be pissed if more criminals showed up.

>43853451

About the city could be good. Did you know it's really a giant first age device?
No, really. It was once a giant tunnel boring machine, got stopped, people built a city on top of it.

Why would a Terrestrial fight for a Lunar against the realm?

>>43851251
>>43852315
>>43852415
>>43853451

fixed above post's links

>>43853934
Due to being born to a tribe worshiping the Lunar, or just among one of the numerous peoples with a bone to pick with the Realm, or due to being a mercenary Outcaste who's just in it for the money, or a pissed-off Dynast who feels betrayed by the Realm for one reason or another and wants revenge.

>>43853934
Because they're an individual and as such have unique circumstances.

>>43853934
because the Lunar earned their loyalty and/or they hate the realm?
They're individuals, not cliches.

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The leak contained an Artefact weapon called the Hidden Dagger Axe which is missing from the backer release. This weapon could be transformed from a dagger-axe, a wrackstaff, or a walking stick using an action.

Where could we go with this concept? I feel that it has a good deal of potential. Trick Weapons in Bloodborne could similarly be transformed and could be used for ideas, such as weapons that change what tags they have, what weight class they are, splitting into multiple smaller weapons, or in extreme cases being able to change what ability it's used with such as swapping from Melee to Archery, etc.

Would this be to much, too weeby? Or do you reckon that this is a viable concept?

>>43854006
It's Moonsilver, shit's crazy yo

>>43854006
>too weeby
>exalted
>referencing bloodborne, one of the most western-feeling Japanese games of all time

Uh.

You could take all of Bloodborne and shove it into a Shadowland somewhere, and it wouldn't be remotely out of place for Exalted. I'd probably represent Hunters with Liminals or something around that supposed power level.

>>43853934
If the Terrestrial is an Outcaste and not a believer in the Immaculate Order, they would have next to no reason to care about the Realm.

>>43854241

What with the Great Ones?

>>43854241
The Underworld in general would really work well as a FromSoft game.

I mean, I'm totally using this as a track for a Deathlord or Abyssal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8

>>43854357
I'd almost consider them a particularly horrifying group of Wyld Entities.

I mean, Raksha aren't the only intelligent creatures out there, and they can be pretty horrifying in their own right.

>>43854357

Hekatonkhires?

>>43854357
Neverborn, Son. Hell, you can even map Chalice Dungeons to the Labyrinth, if you want to.

>>43854349
Until they offer him wealth and bitches (and man-bitches probably) to change sides

>>43854397
He's an Exalt. He can get wealth and bitches anywhere where wealth and bitches exist, and with fewer catches outside the Realm.

>>43854367
If in some miracle dreamworld, FromSoft got handed the rights to make a Souls-like Exalted tie-in, I would die happy. YOU HEAR ME PARADOX?

>>43854397
If the Lunar is wise, it would make the Terrestrial the same offer and assure him that he has a much better chance of living to enjoy it if he chooses the Lunar.

>>43854084

The weapon is written to be MM agnostic, as the Hidden Dagger Axe was.

>>43854165

Yeah, but my idea came from the Fusion Swords from FFVII: AC.

What do people think of ground-shattering AOE attacks in Brawl? Along the lines of World-Splitting Flame from the old Volcano Cutter and Circle of Bright Reaving from Melee.

>>43854470

It'd have to be expensive and/or inefficient; Brawl not being good at dealing with multiple attackers is an intentional weakness.

Otherwise sounds cool.

>>43853133

I must admit: I'm going to really miss Warstriders being Guymelef-tier.

>>43854470
It's certainly within theme, at least!

>>43854542
I think that my problem with 2E Warstrider is that all they amounted to was a higher soak and strength. They weren't the game-changers they were billed as, and any Warstrider that wasn't Royal was most likely crap.

>>43854534
Do you have any suggestions? Something like Circle of Bright Reaving is expensive even for Melee, and there is has quite a lot of prerequisites.

I was going to put these after Sledgehammer Fist Punch, because they're thematically completely separate from the Hammer On Iron tree.

>>43854577

The bigger issue was all the negatives they applied to you.

They basically penalized everything 2e wanted high (DV, attacks) and boosted everything it didn't care about (Damage, Soak).

I think they could have been done well in 3e without making them all Complete Superweapon-tier. Especially with Evocations about for all your badass pilots to have their own series of tricks.

>>43853591
>>43853550
The answer is Yes, because Charms don't represent understanding of the specific craft you're doing but understanding of being a genius artisan in general.

Look at Craftman Needs No Tools. It expresses understanding of the nature and essence of tools, and how that understanding allows you to do away with them. Wether that tool is a swordsmith's hammer or a chef's wooden spoon isn't relevant.

>>43854621
just the Legendary size merit alone will probably be worth it.

>>43854357
Hekatonkhires, literally the Neverborn version of demons.
Ones like the Amygdala, would probably be something along the lines of
Essence: 6; Willpower: 10; Join Battle: 8 dice
Personal Motes: 110
Health Levels: -0x4/-1x6/-2x6/-4x4/Incap
Actions: Feats of Strength: 7 dice(may perform Strength 4 feats); Read Intentions: 9 dice; Sense: 9 dice; Social Influence: 9 dice; Underworld Lore: 6 dice
Appearance 4, Resolve 5, Guile 4
COMBAT
Attack(Unarmed) 10 dice (Damage 15, minimum 3)
Attack(Lasers) 12 dice (Damage 19, minimum 5)
Combat Movement: 8 dice
Evasion 3, Parry 7
Soak/Hardness: 16/9
MERITS
Hideous
Cult 3
Wall-Crawling shit
CHARMS
-Offensive-
Insight Imbuing Glance(10m, 5i; Simple; Instant; Essence 3): With a mere glance at the mortal or exalt he wishes to enlighten, Amygdala may bestow upon them a measure of insight into the ways of the Neverborn. Amygdala rolls his Senses pool against the target's (Wits+Integrity). If he succeeds, they begin to hear the whispering of the Neverborn, represented as a Derangement with it's strength determined by the amount of successes Amygdala rolled beyond the target's.

I'm too lazy to come up with further charms, but I figure he's probably got one for spawning Lesser Amydalae, as well as firing lasers, turning invisible, and teleporting grappled opponents.

The Brain of Mensis, though, is probably a Neverborn.

>>43854702
>and teleporting grappled opponents.
"Oh Amygdala...Oh Amygdala. Have mercy on the poor bastard!"

>>43851242
>>43851269

Am I the only ones that like them?

Exigents are there for the "Make an Exalt" that cropped up all the time since 1e. Liminals are there to give the Underworld some sort of fucking bone as god knows they need it

>>43855056
Nah, they sound like a good enough idea to me. The other new Exalts seem profoundly unappealing to me, but Exigents may well be cool.

>>43855056
>Am I the only ones that like them?
Nah, I like all of the new Exalted concepts they've pitched so far (Liminals, Getimians and Exigents - the rest we still know nothing about so I'm reserving my judgement).

Liminals are the ones I'm least interested in but I like anything that makes the Underworld and related stuff more diverse.

Exigents are a brilliant tool for me as an ST, I already have one reccurent Exigent character (Chosen of Oases) and I can run games focussed on local stuff with relevant local Exalts that are invested in local shit. Also gives me an excuse to invent cool Gods.

Exigents I fell in love with when I read about their Yin/Yang Mote Pools and how charms interact with that.

>>43855056
I love the ideas of them, honestly.
I keep seeing people saying Liminals are taking themespace from Abyssals like it's a bad thing; 2e Abyssals couldn't decide if they wanted to be ooky spooky darkness and death exalts, or gross corpse-god body horror exalts. Now that Liminals are there for the body horror shit, it gives Abyssals more room to have shit like darkness and ghost-related shit.

Getimians are a neat as fuck idea, but I'm reserving a lot of judgement until we get some idea of their mechanics; all we know right now is that they each have a mini-Loom in their soul and they're chosen from people who no longer exist according to Fate. Oh, and Yin/Yang essence pools.

Exigents? I fucking love them. I don't have to keep my magical mortals to Essence 1-3, anymore, and they can have their own entirely unique charms instead of copy-pasting the shitty universal spirit charm tree 2e had.

>>43855144
>Getimians I fell in love with
fixed

>>43855421

I'd probably make a cratering idea that you hit the ground and every object out to short range is hit, using your STR+BRAWL as a Feat of Strength to roll with ESS autosux. Breaking something within close range of a target makes them subject to a one time environmental hazard.

>>43855481
Yeah, that sounds like the kind of thing I was thinking of. The only issue is that a one-time environmental hazard seems to be pretty toothless. The damage you would take is high (since it ignores hardness) but the actual difficulty to avoid it seems like something trivial to defeat.

>>43855531
How about making it to be less about causing damage and more about rearranging the battlefield? Like, make the earth shake and tremble, forcing your enemies move one range band to one direction or another, potentially breaking apart clusters of enemies and helping you take your foes on one on one, the way any Solar brawler wants. The same Charm could also be useful for large-scale destructive feats of strength and might damage trivial opponents alright.

>>43855704
I've actually already made charms that could do that. The first is a scene-long sledgehammer fist punch, the second is an aoe withering knock-back.

What I'm trying to do now is replicate high-level strength anime style techniques, where you kill 6 guys by punching the floor or punch the ground at an angle and have a chasm tear through the earth towards your foe as two separate charms.

>>43855746
To be honest, that sounds more like something appropriate for the Earth Dragon Style than Solar Brawl.

>>43855780
I can kind of see what you mean, but that's not something anyone would say if Earth Dragon didn't exist. Nobody would post 'Yeah, tearing the ground apart as an expansion to Sledgehammer Fist Punch is cool and everything, but what we should do instead is make a martial art for it.' It's thematically totally appropriate for Brawl.

Besides, we've seen Earth Dragon and it doesn't do that.

>>43855820
>earth dragon style
I'd rather stab myself with a spork
Water Dragon or go fuck yourself

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>>43856041
>implying Wood Dragon is bad

>>43856041
What? I'm not suggesting anyone take Earth Dragon, I'm taking to make earth-breaking Brawl charms and some anon said they should be Earth Dragon.

this thread is boring

it reminds me of exalted

i am disappoint

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Marvel suing when?

>>43856707
Never because even they realize the exalted division has no money

Can somebody give me the abridged version of how diseases work and how long it takes for any given disease to kill you? I need to know this because I'm interested in buying Blight Internalization Trascendence.

>>43857408
Both versions have that in the core

I'm in the mood for some punishment. Throw all the bad Exalted art you have at me.

>>43856072

It's worth it for the +2 bonus damage on bows alone, pair it up with Solar/Abyssal/etc Archery and you're golden. Some of its charms are pretty good too, and you can use it in armor.

>>43857649
>Archery
Pfft

>>43857655

I'm sorry we're not all hyperfaggots running around with Dawn Solution Melee and Solar Hero charms and shitting up every game we touch.

>>43855056

Liminals would work better as a sub-set of Abyssals to further flesh out both them (so they're not always EXALTED OF MURDER 25/7) and the Underworld simultaneously.

You don't need the setting to be more granular through additional fucking splats and more charm sets, in fact its better to flesh out what already existed rather than just heaping more shit onto an already bloated setting.

>>43857674
Why the hell are you talking about 2.5e?

>>43857734
Other person is talking about elemental dragon MA styles, can't compare them to 3e because they don't exist in it yet

>>43857706
>sub-set of Abyssals
What? How? Why?

>>43857771
But they do, the leak had almost full martial arts that we could basically reverse engineer. One guy actually posted a PDF of Earth Dragon Style.

>>43857776

By not being separate Exalted and making Abyssals less boring murderbots. Possibly what happens to Abyssals who go rogue without giving up their Names or being indoctrinated by Deathlords, maybe the result of Abyssal experimentation on their own monstrances, etc etc etc.

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>>43857787

>>43857787
3e had incomplete MA styles and someone made some homebrew?

Well fuck me sideways, that's exactly the same as having full official MA styles. What was I thinking.

>>43857776

I'm also putting forth this idea because its very obvious that Liminals are just Promethean forced into Exalted and Holden is on record as having a huge boner for Promethean so its obvious self-indulgent trash.

And also Abyssals need to be less boring. You can't accomplish that by taking away more possible themes for them and shoving them into another, more narrowly specific group of Exalts.

Same reason the knock-off Sidereals are retarded (though I do think one rebeling against Heaven and doing questionable shit to Sidereal exaltations would be neat), and Exigents should have just been a fancy by-word for God-blooded instead of.. being practically the same thing minus the boning.

>>43857807
Should point out that for obvious reasons this doesn't include mastery effects.

>>43857815
No, 3e had complete MA styles, except for the aforementioned mastery effects.

>>43857824
>And also Abyssals need to be less boring. You can't accomplish that by taking away more possible themes for them and shoving them into another, more narrowly specific group of Exalts.

You actually can. It's much harder to explore and expound on a very broad set of themes than it is a narrower and more coherent set.

>Lunars are finally doing something!

>remove the Thousand Streams and civilizations they carefully cultivated and set up, instead put them all on a big secret island where they pow-wow and asspat each other like an extremely useless silver colored Justice League

Gee, that's definitely better.

>>43857827
>No, 3e had complete MA styles, except that they weren't complete

thanks for your input

>>43857846

Uh, no, its not? If you want hyper defined archetypes and classes go play some D&D-alike. These are suppose to be diverse groups with different facets to them. All you're doing is making them more one dimensional than they already are, which is, as I said, boring.

>>43857861
You're right, lack of mastery effects is exactly the same as not existing. Forgive me for thinking that words mean things.

>>43857896
>incomplete
>Jnkəmˈpliː
>adjective

>not having all the necessary or appropriate parts.

>not full or finished.

>>43857896
>>43857771
>Other person is talking about elemental dragon MA styles, can't compare them to 3e because they don't exist in it yet
The entire discussion about completeness is besides the point. It's incomplete, but that's irrelevant.

The thing is, Liminal are an attempt at making the Underwolrd and the dead more interesting. And I think they can do that if handled properly. Abyssals are ok but they already got their place as death's knights errant and gothic romance Exalted, no need for them to be every-death-related-thing-Exalted. Also, Liminals are lower tier which makes them easier to use in some situations.

What are some must-haves for a supernal Presence Zenith, looking to inspire and preach?

>>43857824
>Exigents should have just been a fancy by-word for God-blooded instead of.. being practically the same thing minus the boning.
I kind of agree with your other points, but this I have to disagree with. Exigents are nothing like the God-Blooded, not anymore than Solars are just God-Blooded of the UCS. Aside from anything else, they're simply too powerful to be compared to the God-Blooded. Them not being as easy to make as God-Blooded is also a big deal, not a trivial detail.

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What would be Artorias in Exalted?

>>43858003

Yeah. Exigents are supposed to be full exalt tier, able to be anything from DB to Solar in power level depending on the god and their sacrifice.

I think it gives them a lot of personal meaning where they needed sacrifice to come into being. You needed a god that was willing to give up some of itself to bring a champion in.

Sadly I think this also leads to a lot of dead/weak idealistic gods and a lot of living apathetic fuckers.

>>43858011
Solar turned Abyssal obvs

>>43858011
probably a dawn turned dusk with supernal melee and some athletics and occult charms. Probably has a soulsteeel grand diaklave

>>43857857
But they are active and openly working against the Realm all over Creation, mang.

The Caul's just one part of it, and has basically been built to bleed the Realm white and let all their *other* dudes act even more freely while the Realm wastes its resources trying to take the Caul.

>>43858340

I do really hope it's some give and take between them and the Realm rather than just 'Lunars turn up and wreck shit wherever they want'.

As with the 'We can fuck we fate in our little island and sids can't' I'm a little worried it might end up a bit 'Lunars win, the realm is basically fucked'

>>43858203
>>43858225

And Manus a Neverborn?

>>43858718
im thinking more deathlord/hekkakomite or however you spell that

>>43859036
Hekatonkhire
>>43858011
Either a Dusk caste Abyssal or the Exigent of the Abyss
>>43858718
Either a Deathlord or a Hekatonkhire, as >>43859036 said

Anyone have any art that could be taken for half-fae people? I don't have anything and I'd like to play a half-fae eventually.

>>43860054
>half-fae people
Are those even a thing?

>>43860984
Dunno about now. Fae-Blooded were a thing in 2e, though.

>>43861018
If sounds surprisingly stupid.

>>43861054

Creation is a setting where ghosts can sire children, and you question whether or not the supernaturally-beautiful soul eaters accidentally impregnated one of their hollowed out toys?

They'd almost certainly do it for the novelty, if nothing else. "It's like my own little fanfiction!"

>>43861054
Why would that be stupid?
Fae have every right to sire their own little monsters just like everything else in exalted.

What happens when a ghost and a fae have sex?

>>43862082

Screaming and pain.

The ultimate expression of banal stasis and the ultimate expression of wyld creativity do not mix well.

How do Akuma work in 3e, if they still exist? And in either edition, are they capable of making their own decisions or are they basically possessed by whatever they sold their soul to?

>>43862124
>How do Akuma work in 3e, if they still exist?
Haven't been mentioned. I wouldn't be shocked if they don't make a return, but I also won't be shocked when the very first thing homebrewed after Exigents drops is Akuma: Totally Not Demonic Exigents.

>And in either edition, are they capable of making their own decisions or are they basically possessed by whatever they sold their soul to?
2E Akuma had an Urge, which was like a Motivation but it punished you for neglecting it and couldn't be changed, in addition to going against it, so they had free will, but not much.

>>43862119
Now I'm wondering what the offspring of such a coupling would be like. Gonna have to get some ghost friends and make a trip to the border marches...

>>43862124
>>43862204
It also replaced their motivation entirely, removing their free will. They still had *some*, at least as far as deciding how to go about accomplishing their urge, but in the end they couldn't decide on their own goals, so thus no free will.

My favourite part of Urges, for both Akuma and Yozi, was all the people bitching for them to be houseruled away so that they didn't have to do what the Yozi wanted them to do, because it took away their freedom as players to decide what their character did.

Fucking duh.

>>43863321
>I want to be able to take Yozi charms, but not lose my free will in the process
CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING
>Play a Green Sun Prince
>Play a Solar and take that one E6 charm that lets you learn a single Yozi's charms
>Play a Solar Eclipse and pester demons/akuma/GSPs if you know about hem for charms

There's other ways to gain access to Yozi charms, people are just fucking stupid pissbabies who don't want to wait until E6 or bother trying to learn them second-hand.

>>43863445
>pissbabies
I want tumblr to leave.

>>43863484
Fine, fuccbois. Whatever, they're still whiny bitches who want to get cool things without putting in effort or suffering a downside.

>>43863445
>wait until E6
There's a canon way to get there without being over 100 years old?

>>43863641

Late in 2e's lifespan "leapfrogging" Charms became a popular thing. Only Solaroids got official ones (Glory to the Most High, (Yozi) somethingsomething, etc.), but everyone and their dog rushed to poop out 'brewed ones.

>>43863904
Oh, you mean the charms that let you get 1 essence higher than your age would allow? I forgot about those. It sounds pretty ridiculous to theoretically have E7 charms at chargen if you for some reason use Scroll of Heroes.

>>43863641
>>43863904
They all still require you to be E5 to learn them, so you still have to wait a decent amount of time unless your ST a shit or you buy up to E4 in chargen and heavily gimp yourself.

>>43855056
>Exigents are there for the "Make an Exalt" that cropped up all the time since 1e.
Hated in then, hate it now

>>43857966
The Underworld is the biggest library outside of heaven, almost infinite knowledge that should have been forgotten scattered across it lying in wait for someone. I do not understand how people manage to be bored of "Google Quest"

>no need for them to be every-death-related-thing-Exalted
They were working it pretty well before.

>>43858003
>they're simply too powerful to be compared to the God-Blooded.
X-Blooded continue to suck is not a point in their favor

>>43864401
>They were working it pretty well before.

Oh yes, everyone loved them in Shitty Murder Solars I and Shitty Murder Solars II.

Designing in a spherical void does not fucking work. You can even see it in the fighting trees for 3e; compare Brawl across the editions, 3e is the only one with any actual fucking flavor, the rest are "hit good, hit gooder, and their upgrade charm, hit goodest."

>>43864034
Buying up to E4 at chargen is actually very XP-efficient. Buying up to E3 isn't, but everyone does that anyway because all the good Charms start there.

You'll start with less stuff but you'll make it up, and the mote difference will carry you through a lot of fights.

>>43864733
>Buying up to E4 at chargen is actually very XP-efficient.

No it fucking isn't.

Blowing 14BP on 40XP worth of gain is 2.8 XP:BP; it's one of the worst expenditures available to you.

>>43856707
Can't copyright anything remotely related to historical or mythological beings.

For the record since they used asgard marvel could never really press a charge against anyone using their interpretation of thor either.

>>43855056
I like having official permission to make Solars second-best. I'm not totally thrilled by the swords-and-sandals dial-it-back thing they're doing, so I intend to make an Exigents-enabled Infernal/Supernal splat to bring back stuff like Revlid's SWLIHN and Metagaos sets, where you're rubbing suggestively up against operating at setting-scale all the time.

Sometimes I want to win a swordfight way less than I want to turn an important Realm port-of-call into a half-jungle forbidden city full of plant-priests and fruit that, so long as you have an Intimacy to the Immaculate Order, tastes exactly like my semen.

>>43856041
God, Water Dragon Style was so good. Even with the errata to the weapon bonuses. Beating people to death with Drowning in Blood Technique felt phenomenal, great Form, best DV boost in the game since they fixed Kimbery.

I'm glad 3E looks more like that than fucking 2.5E Snake. "Hi, have you ever wanted to be irrelevant? You may also be excited to learn that there are no artifact hook swords."

>>43864854

I'm beginning to wonder if there are honestly too many different types of Exalted. I mean, I always felt that Alchemicals and Infernals were arguably too much (Though I like Infernals a lot, now) but all the others don't seem to have a clear niche.

>>43864832
Wasn't it new dots x 8? So 24 + 32 = 56, which is a nice even 4xp per BP, which is pretty solid.

I guess if it wasn't, my ST was fucking us...not that I guess I'd mind. A) Essence rose way too fast anyway and B) it was super efficient for ME.

>>43864919
Well, there was always the Hookglaives in Scroll of the Monk.
One of the few good things about it, I guess.

>>43864982
>Wasn't it new dots x 8?

Nope, everything in 2E was current rating.

>A) Essence rose way too fast anyway
It's not a question of speed, it's a question of how much of your XP you're blowing on do-nothing. People gnash their teeth at spending even 16XP on do-nothing dots, let alone fucking 24 or 32.

>>43864956
It should be Infernals as "top", then a Solar-Lunar-Abyssal layer where everyone's pretty close to even, then Sidereals and Getimians, then Dragonblooded, and that's it.

I really like Liminals but I feel like they're not worth the time if the top two layers exist; they're interesting in a world with Sidereals and Getimians and Dragonblooded (and that's how I'll run them, with just those) but they feel too awkward with Abyssals and Lunars in their "space" and better at it.

I fucking love Alchemicals, but they're even more awkward and I don't know how to fix it. I guess ram Autochthon into Creation and say the impact popped all the Exaltations except for Dragonblooded and Lunars like balloons.

I don't like Exigents, but I like that we'll have a way to make splats while we wait for the books, I think that's smart. I just wish it was more explicitly "make your own Charms and splats" without the "this is actually a piece of the setting" garbage, fuck gods, they're all useless, and they're way too narrow to have Exaltations. So not excited for the God of Swordsmanship's fiftieth Exigent.

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>>43865112
>Infernals at the top
>Liminals can't exist if they're not the strongest
>Alchemicals cannot coexist in a world with Exalted other than DBs and Lunars
>Destroying Exaltations ever
>"Literally any concept" is too narrow

What?

>>43865221
Infernals go at the top because A) it's unspeakably dumb that the Exaltation of one Primordial (Auto) and a fucking thing the Primordials all made together (the Sun) cannot be improved by the entire Yozi host, including Malfeas, who even castrated is still a bitching crafter with a heart of nuclear fire, and SWLIHN, who is perfect for refining things like infinite quantities of nuclear fire to what I imagine is really similar to the Sun's full potential and B) Infernals do landscape-scale, dramatic transformations, and population-affecting stuff more stylishly than Solars do, so fuck Solars. Chirality Prohibition Index is cooler than Taboo-Inflicting Diatribe. And Infernals, in general, are cooler than Solars.

Liminals don't need to be the strongest, they need to be not pointless. They're obviously Promethean ports, and that's fine because Prometheans are the best, but putting them in a world with Abyssals (death) and Lunars (stealing things from people) who are both better than them? Waste of time.

Alchemicals cannot coexist in a world with other Exalted. They're robots. They can do civilization vs. nature with Lunars and DBs are just gimmes, but all their magitech invasion shit is just jarring beside Solars and co, especially in 3E now that everything's toned down. I don't want it. It's my preference.

I don't really care about the game's metanarrative concerns when they're in my way, so indestructibility of Exaltations being violated because I want them out of the setting without changing the setting's past is fine.

Exigents are individually too narrow. Literally any concept that's a single god's purview. Look at Strawmaiden fucking Janest, you know how fast "harvest-themed" is going to turn into bullshit? It's already bullshit, that's how fast. I don't even feel like you SHOULD be using metaphors and symbolic stuff (like the God of Swordsmanship "cutting to the heart" of a debate) but you're probably going to have to.

>>43865112
>infernals are cool and I like them the most so they should be the best

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>>43865433
You're catching on!

>>43865418

>I don't even feel like you SHOULD be using metaphors and symbolic stuff

Why?

Also: The Maidens have SUPER narrow concepts.

>>43865418
Well about improving the Solar Exaltations, you're implying that about 20 insane entities that can't comprehend anything outside of their specialty can improve something made by someone who was made by countless not-insane entities and embodies the concept of perfection and one not-insane entity whose purview is all things crafting.

How many of you actually play Exalted, any edition? How many of you have actually PLAYED Exalted, any edition? How much is this people who have never actually played or run the game talking in circles?

>>43865984

>insane

You can't apply words like that to beings who don't think or operate on a sense of scale, scope or method that humans do.

>>43865984

The Primordials were never insane, they were just weird titanic world-shaping supergods. Its kind of why we got behind the idea of killing them when the Incarnae went all Lucifer (or Zeus if you prefer) on them.

>>43865433

>Not wanting to serve the one true lord and master, your king, Malfeas senpai

You all disgust me.

>>43865418
>Infernals go at the top because A) it's unspeakably dumb that the Exaltation of one Primordial (Auto) and a fucking thing the Primordials all made together (the Sun) cannot be improved by the entire Yozi host, including Malfeas, who even castrated is still a bitching crafter with a heart of nuclear fire, and SWLIHN, who is perfect for refining things like infinite quantities of nuclear fire to what I imagine is really similar to the Sun's full potential
The problem with this is that if the Primordial are capable of creating something surpassing the Solars then they wouldn't have lost the war to begin with.
>B) Infernals do landscape-scale, dramatic transformations, and population-affecting stuff more stylishly than Solars do, so fuck Solars. Chirality Prohibition Index is cooler than Taboo-Inflicting Diatribe. And Infernals, in general, are cooler than Solars.
I agree with you entirely. Infernals are (IMHO) definitely more stylish and cool than Solars. I've enjoyed playing as Infernals much more than I've enjoyed playing as Solars in 2 ED. They're my big favorite.

I still recognize that Solars are mechanically stronger, though, and I'm fine with that.

It makes victory all the better.

>>43866044
>Malfeas-senpai
>senpai
IT'S MALFEAS-SAMA YOU DISRESPECTFUL INSECT

>>43857977
Well, the Oratory charms from Performance, of course. Also keep Harmonious Presence Meditation on at all times, because super worth. Worshipful Lackey Acquisition from Presence is super nice, since while doing your thing you turn your enemies into your acolytes as a side bonus. As your Essence rises get more charms from Performance and you should be golden.

Later on you can get those sweet Integrity charms that allow you to expose your intimacies to people so you can just walk into a Immaculate temple and go all "Yeah, Im an Anathema but I also have these super pure and super good intimacies, wanna join my acolytes?".

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>>43866044
>Not wanting to surpass the one true lord and master, your king, Malfeas senpai

Now, Malfeas needs improving
It's just too impossibly odd
Someone must get a few changes moving
And I'm just the exalt for the job

>>43866117
Malfeas has rocked for a long, long time,
Now it's time for him to pass the torch.
He has songs of wildebeasts and angels,
He has soared on the wings of a demon.

It's time to pass the torch,
You're too old to rock, no more rockin' for you.
We're takin' you to a home,
But we will sing a song about you.

And we will make sure that you're very well taken care of.
You'll tell us secrets that you've learned. Woah!
Your sauce will mix with ours,
And we'll make a good goulash baby.
Malfeas, time to go!
You must give your cape and scepter to me.
And a smaller one for KG.
Go! Go! Malfeas! Malfeas!

>>43866117

I miss Games of Divinity Malfeas where he's just tragic and sad, instead of hyper angry arrogant self-loathing suicidal murderbeast shithead king.

But I guess that's selling him too sympathetically when all they want is blackhat villains for (Solars) to knock down.

>>43866117

idk the Yozis do a pretty good job of making you feel special and having a place on Team Hell *********if you ignore all rape and also the rape********** so I never saw much of a reason to go rogue.

The one Infernal game I sat on where the circle surpassed the Yozis by becoming primordials, they actually stuck around and continued being loyal, albeit more as equals rather than subordinates.

>>43866170
>I miss Games of Divinity Malfeas where he's just tragic and sad, instead of hyper angry arrogant self-loathing suicidal murderbeast shithead king.
>Implying you can't do both
Oh, ye of little faith...

>>43864854

I miss the Hegra charm sets out there. Fun trippy ass stuff.

>despise Holden and Morke
>don't want to argue my points without playing ex3 first
>for all the praise heaped on it can never find an ex3 game, but keep finding 2e games popping up

What the fuck

>>43862204

I wish Infernals and Akuma had just been the same thing, instead of multiple charmsets and also another subset of Solars. But mostly because I like the term 'Akuma' better than 'Infernals' and 'Warlocks', the latter of which felt better as a Sorcerer term.

>>43866255
People really want to play games with anything but solars, it seems. I've had a few folks tell me they're just going to patiently wait for Lunars/Abyssals/whatever favorite splat to release before they even read the system

>>43866281

eeh why not just have them use Solar shit and snag the few powers from the antagonist write-ups?

>>43866274

Yeah but then you'd only have Solar Akuma.

>>43866281

kek at this rate is going to be 2020 at the earliest for either of those books.

>>43866301

eh just make it any fallen mortal or exalt like usual. the akumaification reboots them back to state 0 making it the ultimate trap choice.

>>43866281

2e isn't bad if you know what you're doing and use extensive house rules. For everyone else they can just play Dissidia and get faster, easier games i m o senpai

>>43865112
Personally, I feel like Liminals need to be Celestial-tier to survive all the shit kicking around the Underworld, what with all those black Solaroids and ghosts and evil ghosts and batshit solar ghosts.

>>43857824

My problem however is that the Underworld is a huge place. You're going to Abyssals also working in Creation and there's a smaller number of them.

An Exalted that is less powerful by more populous to me is perfectly fine and needed in setting. We can use Dragons of Another Colour sure, but honestly they always felt like a square rammed into a circular hole.

>>43864956

Even as much as I like Alchemicals (making a splat for them) I still need to say that they're they're indeed a fifth wheel Exalted in this sense.

Hell even in 1e they had mixed reactions.

This is one reason I do like modern, as it makes all the Exalt types fit into one package.

Also another reason I like them is I can make /m/echa references all the time, like an Alchemical loaded with Drill charms called Enis

>>43862225
Think Scorpius from Farscape except worse

>>43866010
Comparing them to their pre-jail selves, yeah they fucking insane

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>>43864850
>marvel could never really press a charge against anyone using their interpretation of Thor

its cute that you think that

>>43867022
Huh.
What bullshit.

>>43864423
>X-Blooded continue to suck is not a point in their favor
X-Blooded being Exalted-tier would be fucking retarded. They're just too easy to produce. Them being that powerful would twist the setting in all kinds of radical and unpleasant ways. Exigents, however, are Exalted-tier due to actually being Exalted. Because of this they have to be rarer and harder to create than the God-Blooded.

>>43867983
Such is the USA.

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Akuma are gone in 3e, for the most part:
>Akuma are not around as a unified thing, though there are still Exalts who make questionable bargains with questionable beings for various reasons, power among them. (Holden)
From the What We Know page.

>>43866596
>a fifth wheel Exalted
They are more like a spare wheel. They are separated from the other wheels and do not come into equations unless you want them to, and if you are doing that then you probably have some idea of how it should work. They also come last every time so I don't see any problem.

>>43866274
>I wish Infernals and Akuma had just been the same thing
I think they are going to do with Akuma the same they did with Enlightened Mortals. Erase the term and easy, replicable ways of producing them but still keep some odd cases here and there. EMs have The Eternal Revolutionary in the core and mentions of forge-goddess servants so nothing stops you from including some kind of infernal-pact anatagonist.

>>43865418
>Liminals don't need to be the strongest, they need to be not pointless.
So maybe wait for them to actually come out? We are working on assumptions and blurbs right now. I, for one, like Liminals because they work on neat themes and make Underworld something more than big, bleak empty place full of boring ghosts, some nephwracks and a dozen of Abyssals with their assorted Evil Skeletors. I also do not feel that they "stole" from Abyssals. If anything, it makes sense for Abyssals to focus more on the spectral, entropic and romantic (in a gothic sense) themes rather than being Corpse Exalted.

>Look at Strawmaiden fucking Janest, you know how fast "harvest-themed" is going to turn into bullshit?
And how fast "Sun-themed" turned into bullshit? How many solar charms are only vaguely realted to Sun, light or whatever? And how many Inferal Charm relate mostly to symbolism of a given Yozi? God's purview and powers are the base, not everything there is to a given type of Exalted. So Janest can have battlegroup-fighting charms a'la White Reaper, harvest enhancing Charms, some Charms improving her relations with the small folk, maybe some community and endurance Charms.

>>43868374
>And how fast "Sun-themed" turned into bullshit? How many solar charms are only vaguely realted to Sun, light or whatever?
I thought Solars were perfection?
Infernal charms seem appropriate to patrons, I think?
Umm... Wait, I think I'm missing the point of your post, sorry.

>>43868633
To be honest, I kinda missed the point because Sol is a god of very vast purview and individual Yozis also have broad themes. Certainly broader than your common god's. But that's why you should try to expand it by the personality of given god, his relations with mortals etc. Janest isn't only Exigent of Harvest, she's also the Hero of Common Folk.

>>43865418
>Exigents are individually too narrow. Literally any concept that's a single god's purview. Look at Strawmaiden fucking Janest, you know how fast "harvest-themed" is going to turn into bullshit? It's already bullshit, that's how fast.
I really don't see this as a problem. It's not like other Exalted are just receptacles for the power of whatever entity empowers them: their own nature also matters for their Charms. The Dragon-Blooded don't just wield the raw elemental power of the Elemental Dragons: they express and channel that power through their Abilities and use it to enhance said Abilities. They almost certainly can do things the Elemental Dragons can't, though obviously we can't know that for sure without an official writeup for one of the Dragons. Similarly Janest doesn't just wield the power of a field god, she channels that power through her Abilities or Attributes or whatever. She gets to interpret and apply that power in ways the god himself can't, whole also being unable to directly control the god's domain like the god himself could. Exalted having broader and more versatile powers than their creators seems perfectly appropriate to me. It seems like a part of the point of the Exalted, even.

>>43868155
>>43864423

Yeah, the whole point of Solar Exaltations is that they're the wild card. With the Dragon-Blooded, you're not *confirmed* to get a dragon-blooded kid every time, and the blood deteriorates.

But with a God-Blooded, you're confirmed a child with Enlightened Essence. In a setting where being able to channel Essence means everything, that's massive.

Besides, it's thematic that the extremely rare Solar (born from true heroes) are heads-and-shoulders above those who get their powers merely by birth. I'll point out that even Solar half-castes are rather pathetic: You can't be born with that level of power, you have to EARN it somehow.

>>43863321

Funny, I liked the Urges. Gave the Infernals some motivation and inner conflict from the get-go. Maybe they'll return as inviolable Defining intimacies.

>>43869019

My problem isn't with Urges, but with Limit. You could snipe people you never know with your Torment, simply by having feelings about them. To be frank, the whole system always felt a bit too complicated to me.

Semi-related, for Abyssals - Would a rule of only being able to discharge Torment up to your Essence be better? That is, to stop PCs from constantly releasing a one-point Abyssal fart? So the more powerful Abyssals get, the more apocalyptic the backlash?

>>43869019
>Maybe they'll return as inviolable Defining intimacies.
The What We Know page says no. They'll want to do crazy Solar-like shit anyway, it's who they are, the Yozis don't even need to interfere.

>>43869028

Torment was interesting, but flawed. People using it to try to fuck with other NPCs like that was just bad.

Maybe only being able to discharge (10 - Essence) Torment once per story.

>>43869036

Shame. Are the devs still pushing that retarded "Infernals are Solars at their worst" narrative by the way? I feel that that completely waters down every aspect of what Infernals are while reinforcing that Solars are almost unambiguously Good.

>>43869028
>You could snipe people you never know with your Torment, simply by having feelings about them.
So you be Kira Yoshikage? Great!

>>43869078
>I feel that that completely waters down every aspect of what Infernals are while reinforcing that Solars are almost unambiguously Good.
Hell no. Solars at their worst means that Solars do it too, and surprisingly often.

Basically, they the exact same things as Solars (conquest, manipulation, experimentation, meddling, etc.) but out of revenge against Creation and the wish to reclaim what is rightfully theirs, not because they (mistakenly or not) think it is good or righteous.

Who do you think are the more interesting antagonists: Yozi or Neverborn?

fa/tg/uys, do any of you know of the exalted wiki page that was an official fix of sorcery? I read it awhile ago, and wish to view it again. It gave sorcere's some free spells to use. If you do know what i'm tal;king about, it is good to use? I'm sorry for being so vague.

>>43869281

I actually think they're both great. I really like the Underworld as a setting, but I think the Yozis are more inherently interesting. The Neverborn are basically right from Wraith: The Oblivion, and they don't work as well in Exalted's setting.

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>>43865112
>being this wrong

>>43869285
You shouldn't be playing 2e, and 3e has great Sorcery.

>>43869305
Well we are supposed to play monday and have already done our character sheets, so it seems a little to late to go back.

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>>43869342
NO! It's ever too late! You can save them, I know you can! I believe in you, anon!

I case you fail, though, ask the GM to rip off 3e Sorcery wholesale. It won't affect any other parts of the game, so the transition would be seamless.

>>43854241
>>43854357
>>43854391
I'd play the everloving shit out of this.

>>43866218
That one's accurate. If ou look behind the 2E facade you'll note the former is still true albeit toned down a bit. He was the holy tyrant after all, a strict and demanding father, but a father nonetheless. Being the very top of the ladder since you gained consciousness and then being cast down only to fail time and time again trying to get up inspire quiet bit of self-loathing and anger. Though most of this anger is usually turned inwards, some project it outwards a partial coping mechanism. So, it's at least partially justified.

>>43869281
I don't like either as antagonists to be quite honest.

>>43870337
Me neither. I tend to view them as background features more than meaningful actors.

>>43851371

but the magitech is awesome

hell it's 25% of the reason I like the setting

>>43869078

Good and Evil morality has no place in Exalted. It's better when it's grey and everyone has their share of dick heads in the same splat.

Hey /eg/, question about the belt of shadow walking, artifact from the book. Artifact description:

>Belt of Shadow Walking
>Night-blacks belt made from leather from the wings of giant bats, trimmed with black jade and soulsteel, these artifacts can control shadows and cause them to conceal the wearer. Whenever she wishes, the wearer can add three dice to all stealth rolls. However, this is the least of the belt’s powers. When the wearer expends ten motes, she can transform into a living shadow for one scene. In this form, she can slip under the space beneath a door or
slide through the thinnest crack. In well-lit regions, observers notice the existence of an unusual shadow if they make a (Perception + Awareness) roll at difficulty 3, unless the wearer conceals himself in a larger shadow.

Question is: how long does the transformation to shadow take? Since it doesn't specify, is the transformation assumed done instantly? Is it a simple or reflexive action? What's the default?

>>43870616
If not mentioned, up to the GM. I'd say Simple.

>>43870616

If it doesn't list a duration longer than instant, assume it's an instant misc action to preform.

>>43870475

I never got the hatred seeing as PCs and Lookshy/Realm/Deathlords/Yozis/literally Heaven are the only ones with any kicking around.

I only dislike it when a player with a Craft boner wants to industrialize everything overnight and bend the whole game around that when my other players wanted political intrigue or Kung fu noir.

>>43870701
Plus the Haslanti League. Kind of.

>>43870802

Airboats were still pretty tame ye Olde blimps, nor necessarily the super flying battleship Final Fantasy and etc has going on.

They do have crossbows but I wouldn't call those magi tech either.

>>43870640
>>43870647
Thanks anons

>>43865112
>but they feel too awkward with Abyssals and Lunars in their "space" and better at it.
We havent seen their books yet, we have no idea what their spaces are.

>>43865112
>they feel too awkward with Abyssals and Lunars in their "space" and better at it.
>>43871315
>We havent seen their books yet, we have no idea what their spaces are.
From what we have, in the core book, it's safe to assume they're taking the vicious wounds and corpse-body shit from Abyssals, as well as their own thing of literally stealing body parts from other people
They share no theme space with Lunars unless you consider 'killing people to take their things' a Lunar thing, but that's also done by every murderhobo in the world

>I just wish it was more explicitly "make your own Charms and splats" without the "this is actually a piece of the setting" garbage,
Go back to 2e and play Infernals then, bitch
>fuck gods, they're all useless, and they're way too narrow to have Exaltations.
No, you're just a dumb bitch
>So not excited for the God of Swordsmanship's fiftieth Exigent.
>I don't get the point of the Exigence at all
You do realize that each Exigent a god makes removes a chunk of their power, right? Some gods will even cease to exist after making an Exigent, because they have so little power.
Most gods probably won't be allowed beyond like 5 Exigents, tops. At least, not without going through the Celestial Black Market.

>>43871315
We know the Devs have been squawking repeatedly about how the lunars will be smashy-rawr tear it down animal only exalted.

Yeah, do nothing but smash and break priceless, literally irreplaceable infrastructure rather then take it over, I'm sure that's a great idea.

OK, but let's deal with the important questions now.

What Exalt type is the best at being a waifu?

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>>43871679
This has long been solved. It's Lunars, because shapeshifting, fetishes and fluffy tails.

>>43871679
Liminal. Design em how you'd like. Plus they get the skills of people you steal parts from.

>>43871679
Solars, obviously. They're all about being the best at whatever.

Alternatively, for those monstergirl enthusiasts, Infernals, because they've got the 'best at whatever' thing and also Shintais

>>43871701
Monstergirls are a Lunar thing.

>>43871655
Smashy-rawr tear it down animal only Exalted who built their own Loom of Fate-alike for the Caul, sure.

>>43871740
It's not my fault the stupid fucks can't bother to be consistent.

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>>43871749
You could say they have their phases.

>>43871638

It's retarded because the Incarnae, even addled by the Games as they are, ate mindful of what their own actions wrought, and wouldn't allow any god beneath them the same honor and power of marshaling Exalted under their banner.

There would be mass purges in Yu Shan headed by the Unconquered One himself.

>>43871740
>>43871749
>>43871655
Just because their charms give them benefits to " smashy-rawr tear it down animal only" does not mean that the people themselves are such, or that it's their primary method of solving problems.

>>43871763
Cao-Lo, God of Puns errybody!

>>43871787
>or that it's their primary method of solving problems.
The correct answer to a barbarian's riddle is to choke on your own cleverness and die.

>>43871787
Well, no. It does, however, mean when they are explicitly restricted to animal only shapes that's literally all they fucking do, and that the lunars as a faction are that way, as told to us by the Devs who make the setting.

But then they threw out something about how they will 'transcend' their need for shapeshifting, so I have no fucking clue what the hell they're drinking anymore.

>>43871790
>Cao-Lo, God of Puns errybody!
Which Bureau does he work under?

>>43871818
Bureau of Humanity.

>>43871818
I'd assume Serenity.

>>43871835
He's right.

>>43871679
Lunars have built in waifu functionality for Solars. Abyssals are good too, if you're into tsundere types. Infernals are bad because after a few centuries they're either Dead or they've forgotten what love is or lost some other mental trait that's vital to being human. Sidereals are bad because you'll never see them because of work. Dragon-Bloods are good because they're all about families. Liminals ads fine if you're okay with the smell of rotting flesh.

>>43871839
That's not a Bureau.

>>43871863
Whoops, my bad. I'm getting the Jobs confused with some of the people who do them.

>>43871655

They also sit around on their super secret special island giving each other ass pats and being generally useless, from what we can tell.

I miss the Thousand Streams angle honestly.

>>43871809

>no taking all forms and guises until you literally transcend and become the perfect evolution

Lame.

>>43871996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_t9zInX2XA

>>43871809

>lunars as a faction

I see they've been trying to purge any trace of them being independent, sometimes to a fault, and 'go your own way'.

Last thing exalted needed was another football team of Celestials being useless despite their relatively combined might.

>>43871996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guuqa-n0xYw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htDB8SuLrng

>>43872034
How would you fluff the Aja Mask in Exalted? I'm thinking its a mask of Moonsliver that, when paired with a stone containing drop of blood purported to come from Luna herself and infused with ones own essence will turn the wearer into a being that transcends the boundaries of physical form. Oh and it floods your body with Moonsliver, so you don't have to worry about turning into a shoggoth made of animal bits.

>>43872145
>will turn the wearer into a being that transcends the boundaries of physical form.
That part only works on Lunars. Mortals just become demon-blooded.

>>43871769
>It's retarded because the Incarnae, even addled by the Games as they are, ate mindful of what their own actions wrought, and wouldn't allow any god beneath them the same honor and power of marshaling Exalted under their banner.
Why wouldn't they? An individual Exalt here and there is a big deal but not a threat of any kind to the Incarnae, especially considering that Exigents are no more bound to obey their god than the other Exalted. Besides, small gods have to literally give their life to create an Exigent, and even more powerful gods are weakened, which balances the "honor an power" of having an Exalted champion.

>>43872040
>Last thing exalted needed was another football team of Celestials being useless despite their relatively combined might.
The right thing to do is have them do things, keep them relevant in the global stage.

NOT knee-capping them and making Lunars as a whole useless and irrelevant A-FUCKING-GAIN.

>>43872213
>Mortals just become demon-blooded.
ITS A YEDDIM!
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!

>>43872285

How is sitting around on a magic island and doing nothing besides throwing thresholders and far reaching people as disposable shock troops at the Realm considered 'useful'? Especially with the fucking Wyld and Underworld creeping up everywhere and thrusted fallout of tg he Great Contagion?

Seems hyper retarded to me, senpai

>>43872285

>especially considering that Exigents are no more bound to obey their god than the other Exalted.

What kind of retard gods are giving away permanent parts of their personal power for a tool they can't even control? THAT is beyond retarded, especially for conniving immortal spirit bureaucrats.

>>43872654

Meant to reply to >>43872347

>>43872680
>What kind of retard gods are giving away permanent parts of their personal power for a tool they can't even control?
The kind that really need the power and versatility of an Exalt. I mean, it's a choice between having a tool they can't control and not having a tool at all, at least not any tool fit for the job. Creating an Exigent is supposed to be something gods do out of desperation when they can't see any other way to deal with whatever crisis they're facing, not something they do any opportunity they're given.

>>438
Rip dragon kings, replaced by lazy d&d tier bird/snake 'folk' with cheap faux mesoamerican names

>>43872776
>Rip dragon kings
What are you on about? There's literally no reason to believe that Dragon Kings won't be a thin in 3E, and beastmen aren't exactly a 3E innovation.

>>43872799
They'll never get their own book like in 2e though

>>43872654
That's exactly the kiind of thing that I'm against, numb nuts. If it were a part of the Thousand Streams project, I wouldn't mind. But nooooo, Lunars can never ever be cool or relevant. Fuck the writers.

>>43872754

Bribes, blackmailing, extortion, setting up others as your fall guy, sucking Sidereal fick. There is nothing inherently useful or interesting about some dB tier fake exalts you can't even control, especially not in Heaven's arena, unless they're explicitly the product if shit tier terrestrial gods.

>>43872820

I preferred the idea of them building up the boarders with strong, stable nations and looking outward at the looming threats to creation. Luna instilled a deep respect for Gail's creation, and one of their biggest themes is stewardship and protecting things.

It'd be less of an issue if it was a small but vocal sub faction if Lunars being ma-ha levels of stupid, but they expect us to believe everything single sane Lunar is in on the same plan.

>>43872823
Why yes, 'shit tier' Terrestrial gods probably are the most likely deities to need and create an Exigent. The first Exigent we heard anything about was Janest who was created by a puny field god, after all. More powerful gods who end up desiring an Exigent will probably have some unique circumstances of their own.

>>43872820

Swords of Luna were at least useful and proactive. I can't really defend the other camps though, they were pretty retarded in their own ways.

Alright, putting up my expansions to Sledgehammer Fist Punch. Five charms for breaking things and making area of attacks. It gets a bit weird mechanically, so I'm looking for people's thoughts:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n8BkGHMGC_CTKwoDVNVcesKgTTf6lTO4MXBY6HUpVIE/edit?usp=sharing

>>43872882

I'm just confused by why the shogunate didn't gas them all. I'd be down with them making a comeback post-Contagion, as a short of metaphor for humanity surviving and thriving on its own without needing bumbling supermen running the entire world for them.

Is there anything wrong with me sticking mostly to 2e? I have a lot of the books in physical format, have written tons of homebrew, and my group has found a sweet spot with how we play that doesn't ruin everything with Chungian whiteboard scenarios.

I still want to try ex3 but I'm not feeling it as a direct upgrade. More like a different flavors or interpretation entirely.

>>43873013
There's nothing wrong with it as long as it's fun. You'll probably want to switch to 3E eventually, at least assuming that the other splats for it will come out and be decent, but I can understand sticking to 2E until then. Obviously you should give 3E a try, though.

>>43873013
No, you're not 'having fun wrong' that's stupid. While I firmly believe that Ex3 is outright better than 2e, if you're enjoying yourself then what's the problem?

>>43872809
The book they shared with Mountain Folk and a bunch of other races, you mean.

Lunars fans, man. Never happy with anything and always approaching things in bad faith so they can have a reason to scream and pout their lips. Eugh.

Invincible Sword Princess ends up in Times Square in the NWoD and decides to set herself up as Earth's new god queen. How far does she get senpai?

>>43874069
I don't know, why not check the other million times that's been asked? Exalted v. World of Darkness is getting pretty played out.

>>43874044
It's more about the Lunar fans who're actually pretty optimistic about 3E not having that much to say before we actually see 3E Lunars.

>>43874095
Unless Cain is involved, then he'd just go "Hahaha...Go fuck yourself." and Diablerize her.

>>43874244
There's a bunch of things in WoD that can fuck up an Exalt. The difference between WoD and Exalted isn't the power level, it's the basic premise. Exalted says you can do anything and defeat anyone while WoD is all about things that are ancient and powerful, and you should do what they say.

>>43874044

One literally mentally damaged person on WW forums does not make up the majority of people who like Lunars.

But they are the best splat first being Celestials who don't need to be told they are the best and have their player's balls fondled to reassure them and their insecurities that they matter, unlike Solars the enormous amount of Solar fan boys out there.

How does it feel, being the Jon Cena of TTRPGs?

>>43874314
Yeah, that post is clear evidence that it's only Lunar fans on the 'WW' forums that are bad.

>>43874314
>being the Jon Cena of TTRPGs
Hey, at least Solars know more than five moves.

>>43874158
Yeah, but come the fuck on. Give Lunars the entire almost-continent sized island they wrestled out of Realm control? LOL THEY ARE SITTING THERE AND SPANKING THEIR ASSES. Give them several succesful dominions? LOL BARBARIANS SHITTING IN A WOODS Give them actual themes and coherence by restricting their shapeshifting so they don't have to be all kinds of shapeshifters from Alex Mercer and The Thing to Loki? LOL THEY ARE GUTTING THEM. Just wtf

>>43874395
Well, sure. Some people are kind of retarded, I'm not denying that.

>>43874370

Whatever makes you feel better, princess. Go sulk about being persecuted in your hug box.

Daily reminder that you are:
stronger
handsomer
richer
etc

than morke and holden

>>43874440
No one's sulking about being persecuted except Lunar fans.

>>43874395
It's people like those that make me glad I'm a Sidereal fan.

>>43874395

What's wrong with being the Thing or Alex Mercer? It falls directly under their Creator's purview.

The island is retarded because there is a lot of Creation, it's fucking huge, and they're now sitting around on one island in the middle of nowhere doing jack shit. That they even have a unified front where they physically sit around together is a joke and downplays how vast, how fucked up Creation is and the coverage required for that.

The bit about nations was all 2e and 1e to a lesser extent, and therefore not valid.

>>43874458

Actually, yes, I am.

You know how I'll surmise Lunar Totem errata when the book comes out:
>Don't need that. Don't want that...eh what the fook IS that? Izzat gonna screw me over if I pick it up?

>>43874547
>What's wrong with being the Thing or Alex Mercer? It falls directly under their Creator's purview.
Where exactly is Luna described as that kind of a shapeshifter? Last time I checked she turned into specific creatures, much like her Chosen.

>The island is retarded because there is a lot of Creation, it's fucking huge, and they're now sitting around on one island in the middle of nowhere doing jack shit.
No, you fucker. They're everywhere, in every Direction, just outside the Realm's borders. That they *also* have a large island dominion called the Caul does not imply they just sit there doing nothing. Seriously, your complaints go beyond a misreading of the fluff -because this is super simple stuff - right into the realm of lying like Holden.

>>43874458

>starting to get very otter mode
>decent paying job, 'rent' out nice house I couldn't possibly afford from family
>6-7/10 girlfriend with an amazing ass who fucks l I keep a tiger and doesn't give me shit about /tg/ hobbies
>haven't wasted years of my life being paid peanuts to write garbage for a hyper niche hobby that is devoid of respect or profit
>not fat, unlike Holden

How am I doing, /exg/?

>>43874651

She takes whatever form she pleases, as per occasion jaunts into the Wyld to become the horrible moon tyrant who steals fey she fancies and forces them to service the Silver Chair.

The island is retarded on the basis of whatever has they did to hide it, begs to question why it wasn't done more, sooner, and or in service of their Solar counterparts when they were still kicking, or why they need a magic island clubhouse at all other than to put them in a centralized spot know the map so Holden can go ' There! There is your Lunars!' despite having every reason not to centralize, if not for the dangers of it, than because freedom and independence to the point of coming to blows is such a big thing to them, especially post-Usurpation.

>>43874651

Being very protein was always a part of Lunars going back to 1e. Ossific Shard Shot comes to mind, Claws of the Silver Moon, etc. I don't see how this is a negative for Lunars advancing and power and age, to become more expansive and experimental. It also makes the debate of Chimera ism more intetesting instead of writing them off as overlooked negaLunars.

>>43874876

>protean

Damn autocorrect

>>43874651

If anyone was being body horror transhumanist monsters it was the Infernals, senpai

>>43874803
>She takes whatever form she pleases
The only in-depth writeup of Luna I'm aware of is in Glories of the Most High: Luna, an according to that writeup she can turn into any creature that has ever existed and hasn't reached Essence 10. She still has to turn into a specific, pre-existing shape. If you have any sources that describe her otherwise, feel free to cite them.

>The island is retarded on the basis of whatever has they did to hide it, begs to question why it wasn't done more, sooner, and or in service of their Solar counterparts
No it doesn't. That it wasn't done sooner or more implies that it's hard and probably takes time and resources. That's all there is to it.

> or why they need a magic island clubhouse at all
Reasons for wanting a relatively secure base of operations should be pretty damn obvious.

>other than to put them in a centralized spot know the map so Holden can go ' There! There is your Lunars!' despite having every reason not to centralize
They're not centralized, though. Did you read or even skim though the leak or the backer PDF? That Lunars are spread across the Creation is made unambiguously clear. The Caul happens to be an unusually large Lunar-controlled area which consequently has a relatively high Lunar population. This does not mean the Caul is all there is to Lunars or even any kind of an international headquarter for them. It's just a particularly prominent and impressive Lunar dominion.

>>43874458

>not fat
>not drowning in student loans
>not riddled with cancer
>have friends do that aren't just lonely Internet virgins
>have a gf
>not a virgin

I am superior after all!

>>43875104

My only ex3 beef is the idea that all of them are using periphery nations as cannon fodder against the Realm, which is retarded and wasteful with fey and the underworld sitting right there. But I haven't seen any official publications on their behavior yet so it's moot until then.

I hope they keep the Swords of Luna around at least. The other camps need someone who's no nonsense about sneaky deals, knowledge hoarding, or sittibg aroubd crying about dead Solars and declaring they'll fix everything now that they're coming back.

>>43874458
That's not really that surprising, or all that important to me, to be honest.

>>43874803
>She takes whatever form she pleases
She is NOT some kind of tantacled Thing who just so happens to be also the Moon. She is a trickster goddess, more like Loki. Fickle, protean, wild and able to take a shape of stars in the sky, mist on the water or your lover who you don't even know yet. Portraying her as ascended Shoggoth is kinda annoying for me.

> begs to question why it wasn't done more, sooner, and or in service of their Solar counterparts
You could also ask why hasn't Realm take control of all Creation if they have way more resources and intact infrastructure. And the answer is: because it's not so easy.

>>43875422
>She is NOT some kind of tantacled Thing who just so happens to be also the Moon. She is a trickster goddess, more like Loki. Fickle, protean, wild and able to take a shape of stars in the sky, mist on the water or your lover who you don't even know yet. Portraying her as ascended Shoggoth is kinda annoying for me.
See, you're right, but also wrong.

She's that, but she's ALSO an ascended Shoggoth, and a billion other things. Luna's fucking nuts. She has to have 5 damn phases just so she can semi-define herself in broad strokes at all.

>>43875792
I prefer her as many-faced trickster and not "basically EVERYTHING" but yeah, I can accept that. It's just people who want Lunars to be Alex Mercer and argue that Luna is Mercer with divine ranks or Cthulhu with tits. No, she's not.

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>>43875930
>"basically EVERYTHING"
All you do is call me, I'll be anything you need...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWJE0x7T4Q