Pathfinder General /pfg/

first for rolled stats

Rolled 6, 4, 3, 3, 2, 1, 2, 5, 2, 4, 6, 5, 4, 2, 5, 4, 4, 6, 5, 1, 3, 6, 2, 5 = 90 (24d6)

>>43827594
Rolling stats.

>>43827568
>murder mystery
>party Ranger has been framed
>for the murder of Tsuto Kaijutsu
>somehow burning down a mansion in Magnimar was our least reprehensible option for avoiding politics in this
>the whole thing ends up having to be retconned

Fun times.

>>43827568
I'd like to politely request that people tag spoiler any undertale spoilers they say as a result of this thread opener. I just finished the game and would not wish it being spoiled for anyone.

Also, found the thing about unbreakable gambit: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?420178-Pathfinder-Dreamscarred-Press-FAQ&p=19379001&viewfull=1#post19379001

what were the disciplines known changes with pow:e
I want to play a hawk guard warder / psychic armory soulknife and I want to know if I have access to elemental flux specifically.

>>43827609
Str: 13
Dex:8
Con: 15
Int: 13
Wis: 15
Cha: 13
All dem odd numbers, it hurts. I'll be an orc inquisitor then and focus on self buffing.

>>43827629
Trait into it. I think neither of those got it.

Rolled 3, 5, 4, 5, 6, 3, 5, 5, 5, 1, 5, 4, 2, 4, 4, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 4, 5, 1 = 91 (24d6)

>>43827594
Might as well.

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Give me some character concepts that would work really well with 20 point buy, level 4 and using non-occult Paizo classes.

Rolled 6, 3, 3, 4, 5, 1, 6, 2, 5, 3, 2, 1, 6, 5, 4, 2, 2, 1, 5, 2, 5, 6, 1, 5 = 85 (24d6)

>>43827655
14, 16, 14, 10, 10, 14.

Not bad at all, could go a lot of different directions. Maybe a Magus or something?

>>43827674

To give a bit of background for the campaign, we're playing as newly minted noblemen aiding our Emperor in conquest of a rival kingdom, earning land and titles in the process.

>>43827714
Daring Champion Cavalier who's delusional and thinks he's a Paladin?

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How many times have you had a romantic partner in a campaign? How far did it go offscreen with the player or GM?

>>43827738
No romantic partner, but last campaign died before my Brawler got the chance to start learning Tien from Ameiko.

He was going to take a rank of Linguistics at Level 3.

Also, Shayliss was a weird encounter since my guy's a 4'10" manlet and despite being a STR 18 pit-fighting star isn't actually used to being mired.

>>43827738
Once, with another pc. No offscreen, it didn't get far before the campaign ended.

>>43827738
>How many times have you had a romantic partner in a campaign?

I've had a romantic partner in every campaign I've been in, but the most in a single campaign would have to be five and counting, with one of them being the mother of my character's daughter and the other two currently pregnant. The DM rolled for the other two, but after getting a nat 100 on the check she determined we did it in an "unconventional" way (let your imagination go wild with that one.)

Never had a DM try to take it out of the campaign, but the previously mentioned DM is willing to roleplay it up until the exact moment clothes start coming off.

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>>43827775

Learning Tien from Ameiko is one of the cutest, and legitimately useful, things you can do in Jade Regent, I've never been in a campaign where the DM didn't play up the interactions.

Aesthetic fag here. I'm thinking of possible unifying aesthetics/motifs for the big three "D*" fiends since they currently lack any (in contrast to all the other planar races, including proteans and qlippoth). Why? They look interchangeable.

I will post propositions in subsequent posts. I look to hear any suggestions.

>>43827628
I'm the anon who asked about this gambit in the last thread.
Thanks!

Though I take it from the link that there is no official errata document out yet?

>>43827807
RotRL, actually.

There was gonna be this sappy little scene where Brawler, when asked why he wanted to learn, would say "because I want to be able to say 'thank you,' the way you heard it back home."

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>>43827837

Anon... Ameiko was born in Sandpoint, lived there all her life. She'd probably get irritated that you assumed she was from Tian Xia and then immediately jump your bones because fuck me if that sappy bullshit doesn't work.

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>>43827832
Devils have the whole fire and brimstone hell imagery, but hell is meant to be a forge for forging souls. The lemures and nupperibos (the basis of the hierarchy, below imps) look like dripping waddling clay. Take the metaphor further and make the higher devils look like they were sculpted. (See pic. It's meant to represent an infernal legionnaire.) This is in deliberate contrast to kytons, who look mutilated.

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I'm wondering why no one has said it yet

aylmao

>>43827714

When in doubt, play a Slayer.

15 - 14 - 14 - 11 - 12 - 10 for stats, take Human and put two +2s into Strength and Dexterity, then the +1 into Strength.

Congratulations, you are now a tough duelist with a good head on their shoulders.

Rolled 1, 2, 3, 2, 5, 2, 2, 6, 4, 1, 5, 2, 2, 5, 1, 2, 2, 5, 3, 4, 3, 2, 2, 5 = 71 (24d6)

>>43827738
Only once. I was an canny but disillusioned crossbow assassin grill who was there while the money was good . She was a skilled archer who couldn't develop much rapport with or earn respect from our peers. It went all the fucking way. The two ranger-fu's fucked and then fucked off. The both of us wavered between comical and serious playing it out

>>43827938

>>43827938
>7
>13
>11
>9
>11
>10
You might as well just kill your character now and save the monsters the trouble.

Question: If I take the Psionic Knack trait with a GB Soulknife, does that let me access the higher level powers earlier?

Rolled 3, 5, 3, 1, 3, 6, 1, 1, 5, 1, 3, 2, 6, 1, 6, 4, 3, 5, 3, 6, 4, 1, 2, 1 = 76 (24d6)

>>43827594
Ya know what? Why not? What's the worst that could happen?

Also, neat places for campaigns in Garund that aren't Osirion or Geb?

>>43827981
Daily reminder that Paizo removed all the sanity checks to make sure you get a playable character when rolling.

>>43828093
If one of my players rolled that block, I'd quietly let them reroll.

Rolled 3, 3, 6, 4, 4, 6, 2, 1, 3, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 3, 5, 6, 5, 5, 3, 4, 6, 4, 2 = 105 (24d6)

Wish me luck.

>>43827893
it was posted in the very last thread

>>43828182
>13
>12
>18
>17
>16
>14

Good roll.

So I was talking with my GM the other day about possibly taking Leadership and what kind of cohort I would go for if I do take it. We didn't get any good ideas, but a few minutes ago I got an idea I'm totally digging. My character's uncle has become a running joke in the group, described as a con-artist wizard who has been chased out of town on more than one occasion. It's also been established that he is a human Scrollmaster wizard, but other than that, I never tried to stat him.

So anyway what I want to ask you guys is, what's the best way to represent the con-man part? Any feats or magic items, or even a small dip in another class, that would give him some abilities fitting for a tricky mage like that?

The time I had two characters die in the same session.

>>43827738
My LE Hell Knight banged the party's lawful nice paladin who was just putting up a facade. They hated one another, but they did it repeatedly, we faded to black but had conversations in the afterglow about how much they hated the party, being incompetent they never found out.

Rolled 1, 6, 1, 3, 1, 6, 2, 5, 2, 6, 2, 4, 6, 5, 3, 1, 4, 1, 6, 5, 5, 4, 4, 6 = 89 (24d6)

>>43828244
woops

Rolled 4, 3, 1, 3, 5, 6, 5, 4, 3, 4, 5, 3, 2, 5, 4, 4, 5, 4, 1, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 = 86 (24d6)

Let's go.

>>43828211
If he's been run out of towns, then he isn't very successful.

Scrollmaster illusionist who tries to pay with conjured currency, if you want mechanics. But on the other hand, the con-man part is mostly fluff and description.

>>43828304
>10
>16
>12
>13
>14
>9

I guess that's pretty good.

Damn, I just want a challenging game with actual exploration. All of my games right now are either boring when it comes to combat/other such encounters or simply don't have any sense of discovery.

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>>43827885
(Continued, ignore the giger post) In keeping with the sculpted physique aesthetic, the hierarchy of devils would grow less bestial and more humanoid as ranks increase. Regardless of rank, there should always be a feeling that these wretched sculptures were once people. (See pic. Spine devil concept)

Does anyone have the homebrewed planetouched some anon made?

>>43828191
Well shit

Anyone thought up a XCOM styled game?

>>43827872
But she canonically knows it because she taught it to the gnome who informs you OH SHIT NIGGA AMEIKO RAN OFF TO GET KIDNAPPED.

>>43827609
Can you add? That comes out to 13, 9, 15, 13, 15, 14. Which is a more than decent array even if nothing shines much.

>>43828583

She knows it because her parents spoke it natively, she's like those third-generation immigrant kids that speak English but switch into fluent Mandarin/Japanese when talking to their parents.

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>>43828577
Newfoundland and Sectoids in Pathfinder. Fuck that. Would still be fun though, maybe with a big focus on cover rules.

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>>43828134
Agreed; TIDDY on its own doesn't have much substance. I haven't had much of a chance to really delve into Elsbeth's character much in the threads. It certainly doesn't help that my writing leaves much to be desired, but I've wanted to make a webcomic on the Mythic campaign she's from. Really not sure how well that'd pan out if it ever became popular enough for whatever reason.

Quick bit of her history and party role:
>Elsbeth was born during the Last War and raised by a single mother, Ioariel, an Ancient Lorekeeper Oracle whom suffered from the Friendless curse; needless to say, their relationship had been strained and lead Elsbeth to grow up to be a somewhat cynical. Though if there was anything she learned from her mother, it was that a posh living was the best living. Perhaps this is what lead to her to become a bit lazy and squishy.

>Seeking an outlet, Elsbeth sought to study magic. Once as a child, she had found a scroll her mother kept and thought perhaps she could activate it as a test of her budding magical skill. It didn't work out very well as the magic in the scroll exploded and practically destroyed her left arm. Ioariel had been able to act fast enough to stop the bleeding and repair the damages the best she could, but Elsbeth's left arm had become terribly scarred and displayed how it had been ripped to shreds. The reason Elsbeth wears a gauntlet on her left arm is purely out of precaution: if another spell explodes in her hand, she will at least have something soaking up the blast.

>During the month Elsbeth had been recovering, she learned how to cast without material components as she was allowed nowhere near them during that time.

>Elsbeth's Bonded Object is her scythe, which had been a gift from one of her mentors in college; it had been used as a prop to harvest the knowledge grown from ideas sewn.

(cont.)

>>43828769
I didn't read the spoiler, I and the Brawler are both faggots.

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>>43827738
>Eberron
My Cannith excoriate Wizard and the Synth-Summoner were gay for one another, though it went nowhere. Then my wizard became the BBEG and now she's attempt to destroy Eberron and the Prophecy via an Artefact.

>Planescape
My Brutal Slayer/Bushi Stalker Kitsune is married to another player and acts as her samurai-slash-servant. They're attempting to conceive.

I'm sure there are other examples, but those are the most relevant, especially considering the other games I'm playing are not Pathfinder.

>>43827807
>>43827837
>>43827872
Ameiko is literal garbage. Have fun with second-hand waifu.

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>>43828182
>tfw my GM does 1:1 point buys

That roll would be so glorious

>>43827738
I actively avoid romantic partnerships in campaigns, most of the time my characters are either single or have a wife back home.

>>43828811
1:1 point by? Anon, is your GM new to the game, retarded or the best DM ever?

>>43828773
Look on the brightside. Make a fucking caster and burn the whole fucking town

>>43828802
>Ameiko is literal garbage. Have fun with second-hand waifu.

Someone gets it.

>>43828802
>tfw all I wanted was to justify a rank in Linguistics

The risk I took was calculated, but man am I bad at math.

>>43828841
Sectopods would be high level wizards with 300ft true sight and maxed disintegrate.

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>>43828577
>>43828773
I made this a while back when I was bored, and wanted to learn monster creation from a helpful anon.

>>43828876
I hated most of the NPCs in Jade Regent. Ameiko and Shitdru the worst of all, so I cut them out and replaced them with my own, ala a Kitsune and a Tengu.

>>43828893
Ehh, you could have asked any other Tian.

>>43828332
>If he's been run out of towns, then he isn't very successful.

Well, I guess that could be true, but keep at the job long enough and even a talented person will see shit hitting the fan once or twice.

>Scrollmaster illusionist who tries to pay with conjured currency, if you want mechanics.

That'd make the most sense I think, but more what I had in mind was selling fake bauble or peddling cures and quick fixes that turn out to be temporary. Of course, an illusionist is fitting for that, too. My first thought had been an enchanter, but an illusionist might be more fitting. No matter which I go with, it's not like he'll be restricted from spells of the other school, so I guess I'll weigh it out based on the school powers.

But, anyway, more what I meant was if there are any feats that let you try and bluff people into paying more than what something's worth. I actually thing I remember a bard archetype that came out recently that was good for swindling, but I don't know how dipable it is.

>But on the other hand, the con-man part is mostly fluff and description.

Well yeah, it is. I was just hoping to find some mechanics that would do the best job of matching the fluff. Like I said before, I was hoping to learn if there were any feats or spells that are specifically designed for pulling the wool over people's eyes like that, but it doesn't really matter too much if I can't find any- a wizard's a wizard, and he'll be able to do it just fine even without special abilities that specifically let him do it.

Thanks though, you still gave me some ideas because I hadn't really thought about going for an illusionist yet.

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>>43827738
Most of my characters usually wind up being single. My first character was a cranky old widower. My latest character is far younger, less cranky, but in a similar boat: lost wife and child to disease, got all withdrawn from everything and spent all his time learning [insert class abilities here].

The main difference between them is that this time there's a female barbarian in the party, whose player always jokes about snu-snu and at one point asked me what my character's fortitude save was.

>>43828956
Both of the others are dead.

GM was running RotRL.

Rolled 6, 5, 4, 4, 1, 4, 5, 4, 2, 2, 1, 1, 3, 5, 1, 5, 4, 4, 6, 2, 5, 5, 1, 2 = 82 (24d6)

>>43827594
4d6v1 in order.

>>43829164
15, 13, 5, 13, 14, 12

Not terrible. Wouldn't make a Martial though.

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>>43828797

>In her party, Elsbeth largely serves as a support role by acting as an artificer, offering combat buffs, debuffs, and various knowledge, ultimately leading her to being the party tactician.

>Despite being the resident grump, Elsbeth weirdly became the party face; the need to keep a good standing to gather goods and funds for her research is key to keep the party afloat.

>Elsbeth's best friend is Grib Lightfoot, the party's Halfling Rogue. The two gel well enough together due to her flexible morality and his team-positive attitude. She seems to get well enough along with Arthus, the party Warpriest. They get into occasional debates with one another when on a long treck, sometimes heated, but ultimately they find common ground on enjoying a comfortable living and various meals. The Gunslinger, Kolt (yes), seems to share in Elsbeth's moral flexibility; she seems to enjoy the rivalry between he and Grib and they try to out-compete each other. The one Elsbeth feels the most uncertainty for is Eldrich, the party Storm Blooded Sorcerer; she seems to take relief in his destructive potential as it lets her save magic in combat. However, his quest for Lichdom has left her weary. On the other hand, he doesn't seem to care enough about most things to be as much of a threat as he could be.

>At one point, Grib had been killed in combat and Elsbeth panicked and teleported him to base. In her duress, she found a scroll of Breath of Life and somehow managed to force it to work, though the recoil had killed her in turn. She got better though. What had happened was apparently a magical fluke; one she plans to investigate once the party can finally take a break from national conflict.

It's a bit brief, but there's a short run-down for the squishy Wizard.

>>43828211
Make him really uncharismatic. He's good enough at magic to fake it, but he can't go the extra mile needed to pull off the things he says he can legit. He tries so hard to over sell it that people would have believed him had he just stayed quiet otherwise. He does the pull the rabbit out of a hat trick perfectly, everyone claps. Then he says and if you look inside the hat you'll see no hidden compartments or any sort of tricks, and ends up shining sunlight off the mirror in his hat into the audience's face. He uses prestidigitation to do stupid things like cover a sword with glitter and claim it's a magical artifact.

Let's say you found a wizard's lair that was abandoned, but you knew there was a ton of loot inside the place.

However, there is a magical creature guarding the front and only entrance - the creature is, as far as you can tell, extraordinarily powerful and has killed previous attempted intruders. The building is set into a mountain.

You have a team of 10th-level characters.

How would you go about breaking in and claiming what is inside as yours?

>>43827738
Never during a game.
My current character is one of those people who loves their job too much to have a healthy relationship.
My 300 year old elf who married a human ~180 years ago, she's obviously dead by now, and he doesn't love anyone else as much as her, so he never remarried.
I had a changeling ages ago, but they were 14 years old and not interested in love.
Finally, I had a Half-Orc Witch Doctor who was an man-hater. Although I never played it up.

>>43827738
>Osirian wizard who's looking to use magic to free her and her brother of some demonic deal her brother made to keep her alive when she was a child.
Never showed any signs of wanting a romantic relationship unless they had money to help fund her research. Kept getting dragged out on adventures despite complaining that she already had enough gold.

>Osirian not!monk who's headed towards the worldscar to defeat the demon who he made a deal with to free his and his sister's soul from bad days after death.
Torn between two goddesses -- the Dawnflower, who his master followed and was trying to show him that he could be redeemed through her, and Sekhmet, who had a real good grip on him. His master got a bit smart and decided with him still being a kid that she'd keep him drunk -- If it worked for Sekhmet, it'd work for him. It did, so the not!monk is really a not!drunken monk, but when he starts to sober, he starts getting violent thoughts. Not exactly romanceable material.
Doesn't realize that it's not a demon, but a devil he made a contract with.

>>43829225
Summon an earth elemental and dig a hole into the mountain

>>43827638
middle-aged yo. -1 to physicals, +1 to mentals

>>43827738
His Waifu is his Cohort, and they sleep in the same bed, so...

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Bleeding Attack feat + Flurry of Blows (unarmed)

Now I understand the "bleeds" DON'T stack for each hit and you just get the 1d4 period.
Buuuutt...can you roll 1d4 on each unarmed strike hit for Flurry of Blows to try and roll a 4?
I ask since it says "the most severe bleed damage takes place" and nothing really stops me from rolling. But I'm not sure.

Am I screwed if I don't have 20 in my casting stat? How do I go about raising my gal's 18 int? Wish is a bit pricy, and I do plan on picking up headbands of vast intellect, but I'm wondering if there are other ways to get intelligence.
>>43829282
You'll take the worst bleed, yes, so you can keep rolling till you hit 4.

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>>43827738
He hasn't been introduced to the game yet, but he's going to appear as my Warlord's Cohort.

This could end very badly.

Rolled 1, 3, 3, 2, 6, 3, 4, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6, 2, 1, 2, 2, 3, 5, 4, 4, 6, 1, 2, 2, 2 = 79 (25d6)

>>43827594
Method V, baby!

>>43829336
>TFW you will never be a cleric cohort to the strong female paladin who asks you to keep her warm by sharing a sleeping bag at night.

Why live

On a scale of "I hate them really hard" to "I have good taste", how much does your character love Qlippoth?

Rolled 2, 4, 1, 2, 4, 1, 1, 4, 5, 2, 1, 4, 6, 2 = 39 (14d6)

>>43829404
damn dice caps.

13 16 15 on the first three stats (9 dice, 8 dice, 7 dice), rolling for the rest now (6 dice less 1, 5 dice, 4 dice).

>>43829460
>"What's a Qlippoth?"

>tfw no ranks in Knowledge (Planes)

>>43829404
>>43829467
well shit. 13 16 15 10 10 12

>>43829588
This is why rolling sucks

>>43829260
Earth elementals leave no tunnels.

>>43829672
This is why you should turn into an earth elemental instead, and stuff your party members in a bag of holding so you can bring them with you. Make yourself invisible while you're at it, and give yourself something like Arcane Sight to help keep from walking into magic traps.

>>43828982
If you want to make him SAD on int, you can use traits to let him use int on bluff/diplomacy and use magic device(for scrolls)

Deceitful feat boosts bluff and diplomacy.

Most of the feats for bluffing people like you imagine are for gnomes but I have included a list of feats that have to do with bluffing. Here's some other feats that may help: Ostentatious Display, Orator, Surprising Combatant, voice of the sibyl.

If you are not invested in the Gygaxian Great Wheel cosmology, why should you keep the arbitrary demon/devil distinction and so forth? Why would angels versus demons not be sufficient?

>>43829783
Because it's cooler that way.

>>43829199
>>43828797

See, this shit is interesting. Good job, wizardanon.

>>43827568
"Core races, level 3, 20 point buy, you are allowed to take one drawback and extra trait if you desire"

I'd like to go for an inquisitor,could anyone help me with a build? no 3rd party shit

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>>43829942
Dump CON, max WIS.

Nothing can go wrong.

>>43828956
>so I cut them out and replaced them with my own, ala a Kitsune and a Tengu.

Was the Kitsune cute and the Tengu handsome, at least?

>>43829942
On a more serious note, ask your GM about Guided weapons. They're 3.5 material, but Paizo wrote them and they're just "substitute WIS for Strength."

There's also a guide here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SoUzuIY8EXh2Q0-JULnlckrBzG1nO4NFp7lep8c9EwU/edit?pli=1

>>43828802
>Ameiko is literal garbage. Have fun with second-hand waifu.

How is she second-hand? Because a Cleric took her first? That was like 8 years ago by the time RotRL or Jade Regent occurs, and it's said she doesn't have any paramours or true suitors in Sandpoint.

>>43829783
Asmodeus did nothing wrong.

>>43830253
Wait, wrong link. Inquis guide is here: https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/extras/community-creations/Bodhis-Lab/the-optimal-inquisitor

>>43830262
USED GOODS
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>>43830262
She's shit tier cause she's that pazio developer's waifu.

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>>43830310

Anon... Probably every waifu you meet in official and unofficial material is "used goods."

>>43830212
The Kitsune that replaced her was pretty cute. I lost the char art I based her on (at least a quick skim of my art folder has yielded no results).

She was more of a traditional Tian/Japanese beauty. Slim features, long black hair, and a very demure demeanor. She also had a great mind for business, and she ran a kind of bar and escort services. It wasn't a whorehouse, but some of the girls would take payment for sex. In turn, she would provide the girls with an education and a way to make money.

Her Tengu bodyguard was handsome in a grizzled way. He had a lot of scars, mostly because he was blind from birth, and his father insisted on teaching him swordsmanship, because his family was a retainer for the Kaijitsu.

I kept a lot of the names and stuff, just cut and pasted a few NPCs.

>>43830262
She's the waifu of the dev/writer of Jade Regent.

>>43830337
>Not romancing Val Baine or Caulky Taroon like proper gentleman of the era.

>>43830393
>Caulky
>Ship cabin girl.
Uh huh.

>>43830393
Literally who?

>>43829822
Not persuasive. I am only ever using fiends as monsters for the players to kill. Why should I care about the dichotomy and not simply treat them as interchangeable? Evil parties can consist of multiple evil alignments, so why not groupings of fiends?

>>43830263
Again, I am not invested in the Gygaxian alignment cosmology.

>>43830419
At least in our DM, she was basically Captain Harrigan's adorable adopted daughter. Of course, Captain Harrigan was an agent of Chelaxian Intelligence and ultimately the big good guy we joined to kill off the Pirate kings, so I guess canon evil Captain Harrigan might have kept her as a fucktoy.

>>43830444
The Lolis from Iron Gods and Skull and Shackles, respectively. Not sure what other characters can be written as pure maidens, rather than used goods. Probably most unless it says in their bio that they're a Strong Independent Womyn who spent her youth on the cock carousel like Ameiko.

>>43830480
There's more than one kind of evil.

>>43830516
>Probably most unless it says in their bio that they're a Strong Independent Womyn who spent her youth on the cock carousel like Ameiko.

Arueshalae is literally made of sex and she's probably the purest maiden in Pathfinder.

Also as much as I hate Ameiko, it's worth noting she left home at 16, jumped on the Cleric's dick, and since then has firmly stayed in Sandpoint, working the Red Dragon inn and fighting off people who are interested in her.

She's not a pure maiden, but I'd hardly call her a slut. The fact she has the highest romance score of anyone in Jade Regent (at 40, in comparison Shalelu's at 34) confirms this.

>>43827629

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UzzPibcqPZObXZ-IoLrd4ikiT6KWiaq92irAJHfIxzc/edit

>>43830372
>She was more of a traditional Tian/Japanese beauty. Slim features, long black hair, and a very demure demeanor. She also had a great mind for business, and she ran a kind of bar and escort services. It wasn't a whorehouse, but some of the girls would take payment for sex. In turn, she would provide the girls with an education and a way to make money.

I imagine you used the art of the Kitsune you meet in Book 4 of Jade Regent?

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>>43830566
>Arueshalae is literally made of sex and she's probably the purest maiden in Pathfinder.

She must struggle every day...

How would I go about playing a cleric of Besmara? Race is undine if it matters. I'll probably get Weapon Finesse and Deadly Agility, don't know where to go from there. Any third party is allowed as long as it's on the PRD.

How viable is this

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=2290716&postcount=3

As a prestige class for PF?
I'm looking for Fey related material, how would I convert it to Pathfinder, apart from the obvious Spot to Perception, et al?

>>43830523
How does that justify having two or three entirely separate races that are more or less interchangeable in appearance and most of their behavior?

>>43830663
Their behavior is similar, but their purpose is different.
Devils want to achieve dominance and conquest into an orderly dominion.
Demons want to destroy.
Daemons want to fuck shit up-not just destroy it.

>>43830663
Have you tried actually reading the lore books for the different fiends? It sounds like you haven't.

>>43830730
Why can't they just be demons with variable motivations like in every non-D&D fiction? Why do they need to be subdivided into three different races?

>>43830779
I am not invested in the lore. I do not use alignment or the great wheel. Same questions as above.

>>43830663
So what's your opinion on the PC races?

>>43829783
The same reason the Mafia isn't the Yakuza isn't the IRA isn't the Scotch Cattle isn't ISIS.
There can be conflicting interests beyond being amoral in pursuing your goals.
Devils want to rule everything, an iron fist in a velvet glove. They're your Mafia-types.
Demons want to torment all, to sin and fuck until the world collapses. They're your ISIS.
Daemons hate everything, everyone, you, your friends, themselves most of all, they want to shit in the world and kill everyone for the sake of killing, finally turning on themselves when there's nothing else left. They're, well, your Columbine killers, your destructive narcissists by way of Nihilist.

Even sub-types that are less common have their own 'thing' going on beyond alignment.
Kytons are explorers in the outer realms of human senses.
Divs are all FUCK GODS AND FUCK THE POLICE.
Thadonic Titans? Hate the gods but in a different way, they want to be gods and believe that they are the best of creation, pure hubris.

Think of it less as alignments splitting them up and more that each group has a philosophy they lean towards that happens to fit an alignment.

>>43830663
>more or less interchangeable in appearance and most of their behavior?
>>43830848
>I am not invested in the lore

Holy fuck you're fucking stupid. "Waaaaa I don't read about what this shit is but it all looks the same waaaaa why is this pls fix." Here's how you fix it, read the fucking lore you dimwit cumsponge.

>>43830848
>I am not invested in the lore
No shit.
I don't see what the problem here is.

>>43827738
Back during a RotRL campaign, My Sorcerer chose to capture Lyrie instead of killing her. It was a weird turn of events desu. Both sides had everyone KOed except us, and I managed to get rid of her wand via my last grease spell. What happened next was us grapple shanking each other with daggers until she surrendered.

Her morale broke and she surrendered before I killed her and after an easy intimidate check, made her help me drag my wounded comrades back to town. Afterwards, I decided to lock her up in my basement and interrogated her but never got around to deciding on either killing her or letting her go.

Suffice to say, I kind of forgot about her until it was time for me to get a cohort via leadership (my gm houseruled that cohorts were to be picked out from existing npcs rather than customizing them fully.). Honestly, I expected to be told that there was a mummified skeleton in my basement when the DM mentioned her, but he instead narrated that I kept her as my servant and that my abusive relationship with her gave her full blown Stockholm syndrome. Anyway, all I really wanted was someone to craft items for me and make the occasional knowledge check but she was narrated pretty well so I got dragged into the whole romance thing after she did the whole "Dont leave me behind master!" when I was considering cutting her loose in favor of a druid bodyguard.

>>43830594

Imagine a succubus that's trying to get redeemed, and she's imagining all that stuff every second of it.

Imagine she meets a man or woman that pushes her buttons in all the right ways and introduces something called "love" to her, and shows it in ways that doesn't involve shoving something into an orifice.

Now imagine that succubus gets fully redeemed, and has the green light to do whatever she wants to that person, risk free.

That PC is going to be occupied for the next week.

So...this is a thing: http://knowdirectionpodcast.com/podcasts/PS0274-SIA-DiversityAtTheTable.mp3

>>43830959
One thing that always confused me, are succubi supposed to automatically energy drain people when they have any sort of sexual contact? The text on Arueshalae's redemption seems to imply that that's the case, since she needs to complete the transition to Good before she can safely have a relationship.
What's weird is that this implies that regular succubi can't actually have sex with anyone for more than, like, a minute before they die. Kinda silly.

>>43830993
Why did you link to the file itself?

And that's not surprising, there's a tumblr/blog/thing called "rollforproblematic".

>>43830576
No, because Paizo's furrybait Kitsune can fuck off.

I either use kemonomimi or they transform in non-anthropomorphisized foxes, like the real legend.

>>43830993
is this bait to make me rage at some keks for demanding I have a transnigger, an asian and a man who chopped his dick off at my table or is it about having cool and varied party members?

That being said I've got a fucking rainbow coalition at my table, I'm got a quadroon, a Mexican, a Jew and a Native American and I give them all shit equally especially 3 of those mother fuckers who bring the same god damn characters to every game.

>>43831003
How often do you imagine a situation comes up with a succubus actually goes the whole hog without intending to end someone?
Push comes to shove, there's always the other, twice as sinful hole which Iomedae will never forgive you (for not fucking her in) to distract people.

Plus its implied its more a throes of passion situation, she can hold it in but she'd rather not risk it, same way you wouldn't if every time you came, it came out like a bullet and might blow someones womb out.

>>43830879
>>43830887
It is a sacred cow of D&D to have fiendish races pidgeonholed into particular alignments/motivations rather than have a single fiendish race which may vary widely in (evil) alignment and motivation. I am curious as to whether anyone may construct an argument for retaining this dichotomy other than appeal to tradition. If you have a single race of demons which may come in every imaginable appearance and motivation, why do you need to arbitrarily divide them into daemons, demons and devils specifically?

>>43831003
>One thing that always confused me, are succubi supposed to automatically energy drain people when they have any sort of sexual contact? The text on Arueshalae's redemption seems to imply that that's the case, since she needs to complete the transition to Good before she can safely have a relationship.

The energy drain is an at-will ability, something that isn't automatic but is voluntary.

Arueshalae's concern is that she might accidentally suck out her lover's soul while in the throes of passion, which is a risk she is not willing to take.

>>43831003
they CAN drain levels at-will from people they're sexually/sensually/casually in contact with (it's how they eat, apparently). chances are most dont even think not to.

also isnt the lenan sidhe basically a succubus?

>>43831060
>Push comes to shove, there's always the other, twice as sinful hole which Iomedae will never forgive you (for not fucking her in) to distract people.

Anon, it doesn't matter what hole you're fucking, the energy drain can come from something as simple as a kiss.

Which is probably something that really gets Arueshalae bothered, that she meets this person she loves (for the first time as a succubus and possibly the first time ever) but can't even give them a peck on the cheek until she's redeemed.

>>43831066
A single race that can have every imaginable appearance and motivation isn't very much of a race.
What you're proposing is essentially exactly the same as the current system except in name. You'd just have one race of demons which is divided into several sub-races, one wants to enslave and control, one just wants to destroy, etc. What's the point? If you read the actual lore, they all have their own origins and backstories which are actually pretty interesting.

>>43831119
>for the first time as a succubus and possibly the first time ever

Arueshalae was something before being a succubus?

>>43831148
All Succubi were.
Don't forget, Demons are created from human sin, they were human before they were monsters.
To a point.

Only Quippoth, Demodads and shit like that don't have that going on for them really.

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>>43831053
Technically yes, in that shit like that can't be bait.
The problem is those bumblefucks are so deluded from having built up those SJW personas over their complete and utter lack of actual personality that they actually expect you to be ashamed and enraged at not having both all the cultures (ALL OF THEM. ALL. OF THEM EVER.) AND people who are so unhappy and uncomfortable with their own bodies that they want them radically altered.

It's not enough that a man chops off his dick. He has to have been a woman who wanted a dick before, and wants to be a woman again, in an unending cycle of self-loathing. Most importantly no one at the table must ever want - let alone be comfortable-with or tolerate - to be a man, as there is nothing non-rapist about the most misogynistic (wanting to fuck and love women aside, obviously) problemagender in existence. Men are only something to be accepted if it's a woman mid-transition into one - if she ever fully became one she'd be no better than any of the evil rapefiends that triggertriggertriggerTRIGGERTRIGGERTRIGGERTRIGGERTRIGGER

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>>43831148

Arueshalae was formed from a human soul, just like every demon.

I think I read somewhere that the souls of particularly bitter women become succubi souls, the type of souls that came from spurned lovers or sluts trying to sleep away their regrets.

Pic related, Desna put Arueshalae on the path to redemption by making her remember her mortal life and how disappointing it was.

>>43831172
That brings me to ask - what determines, in Golarion, how strong a soul is?

Could a human with exceptionally weak will have a soul only as strong as an insect's? Would they then not go anywhere when they died?

Where /do/ nonsapient souls go upon death? Does Pharasma judge dogs?

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>>43831277
I think we need your answer to be much more.... quantifiable...

How much power can we get out of a soul, and for how long. Also whether or not this is a regenerative power source...

>>43831254
>not changing the caption in the image to 'trigger me timbers'
I am disappoint.

>>43831272
A real semon demon
Too pure for this world

>>43831277
far as i know, it depends on level of sentience/sapience, the base power of the creature the soul came from (dragons are better than humans in most cases, for example), depends on what they do while they're alive, and how much potential they have to do greater things while alive.

children are high on potential but low on deeds, wizened kings are high on deeds but low on potential, legendary heroes are that nice combination of both.

>>43831317
for soul gems (via cacodaemons etc.) they're worth a set gp, and are consumed when used in any manner.

for people's souls captured in gems (like the demilich can do, iirc?) they keep their mental stats and personality and shit, so i got not idea how that one works for drawing energy from.

>>43831277
>Does Pharasma judge dogs?
>"Whose a good dog? Whooose a good doggie! You are! Yes you are!"

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>>43831272

>The man or woman who connects with her as a person and a friend could develop a relationship with her that's as strong and enduring as any the wounded world has ever known

She's pure and slutty at the same time.

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>>43831277
This is sort of related.
It seems to be mostly determined by how badass the person was.
Of course price may not be directly correlated to "strength".

>>43831277
Type of creature and number of hit dice.

>>43831277
There's an entire celestial bureaucracy set up for souls basically.
It only comes down to Pharasma herself in hard-knock cases, so Jimmy Cunt-Punt, Anti-Paladin of the Lord of Babyfuck isn't going to go before her because, well, we all know where he's going.
Ditto for Glorious Lord M.T.Beer-Mead, Priest of the Drunk God and his loyal St Arazni that believes in looking after Master and occasionally stealing a nip from his own Whiskey barrel in emergencies.
But Beard Beard the Dwarven Warrior, who has been good and true his entire life, but failed to hold the line, shaming his ancestors and allowing in the orcish hordes because he knew his family was under attack in the depths and had to save them? Well, hell is the place for traitors, but Torag would probably tell Asmodeus to go fuck himself, Beard did what any man would do.
And thus Pharasma gets involved.

As for the Strength of a soul, basically its implied that souls are made strong by being closer to an abstract concept than a person.
Good aligned souls become stronger the closer they are to the idea of pure good.
Chaotic Evil souls can survive the fall into the Abyss if they're enough of a Megacunt that it welcomes them with open arms.
Basically being Bobby the Farmer who don't give no fucks 'bout nuthin' but turnips? His soul is pretty weak, probably gonna become a practitioner and not a strong one at that.
If Bobby has two sons, Bobby Jr 1st who becomes a Crusader of the Farm God and burns down a bunch of fishing villages because fuck fishermen, Turnips are the one true path and Bobby Jr 2: Electric Farmerloo who revolutionizes the cropping industry by creating a new turbo turnip and saves millions from starvation, both of them are closer to true alignments (NE and LG respectively) and thus stronger 'spirits'
Apart from that, level also helps, have a nose here:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/daemons

Teaches you all about being a soul man.

>>43831272
On a scale of 1 to 10 how mad would she be when she sees my room full of petrified succubi that I planar bound then tricked into casting profane gift on me before I cast flesh to stone on them?

>>43831439
She's not exactly friends with the other succubi so probably not that mad
Might be a little creeped out though

>>43831362
I always like to imagine Pharasma has a soft spot for the truly innocent.
She basically has an entire plane tucked away for people who didn't really believe in her, and thus don't want to be Psychopomps, but who were also not too in with any other god, who didn't really do anything wrong.
And what's more? It's a nice place.
Sure there's being fed to Hunger Moon, but that's only for rabid Fedoratheists, rather than people who just didn't have time.
Compared to the Wall of the Faithless, its so nice to see a goddess that has room for 'Well, you didn't have time, lay down your burden, you've earned your peace'

>>43831439
Also you can only have one profane gift at a time, the rest are what, a hobby?

>>43831377
>be sapient in every respect but having a soul weaker than that of a Mindless Spirit
>walking cosmic accident

What would this even do?

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So, a conversation last thread got me curious: what does /pfg/ look for in a 'well-designed' class? What makes it well designed in a particular element? As a whole? As a concept?

>>43831362
All Blink Dogs go to Heaven.

>>43831439

As mad as anyone else who walks into a room filled with petrified corpses.

>>43831439
i'd say "impossibly mad". like, that's like telling your girlfriend you have a bunch of taxidermied women in your basement--oh don't worry, they were total bitches!

you'd find your waifu very quickly backpedalling out of the relationship (given all the cosmic hoops she's had to jump through to redeem herself). or she'd just sort of twitch a bit before her head explodes.

>>43831486
The right amount of options (not the usual "I attack") without it being completely broken

>>43831474
Wait, I thought you were allowed to have one gift per attribute?
If that is false then my GM literally let me get away with murder.

>>43831465
>be raised in Rahadoum by hardcore fedoras
>live entire life without ever having heard of the Gods or afterlife
>die
>show up in the Boneyard
>"wait what"
>"Be at peace, child. You've earned it."
>"what is going on"
>"where am I"
>"where's mom"

>>43831486
Having a reasonable number of options to solve a decent percentage of problems with a moderate-to-good chance of success. The exact quantity of those depends on each other, like if I can do a bunch of stuff I wouldn't want to be too good at all of it, and if I can do relatively few things I better be great at them. A reasonable improvement when I optimize it would also help.

>>43831543
Atheist souls actually get fed to Groetus for some bullshit reason, as I recall.

>>43831540
Nope.

>>43831123
>You'd just have one race of demons which is divided into several sub-races, one wants to enslave and control, one just wants to destroy, etc.
You misunderstand. The idea is that these demons are the counterpart of angels, where breed does not correlate with alignment.

>>43831486
does it have a clear direction or niche for itself? is it it's own person, so to speak (and not stepping on anyone else's dick)? can it both accomplish it's intended direction competently AND not be completely ass at everything else (such as combat, social, skill-related, etc) in comparison to its peers?

if all of these are 'yes' then you've a well-balanced class.

>>43831568
>you now realize there's probably a bunch of atheist wizards who already know this and just don't care

>>43831421
But then, how does Bobby the Farmer's TN alignment factor into that? Is TN just the alignment for indecisive wimps that can't pick a side, or do you have to make a way of measuring TN-ness, to separate people like TN Bobby the Farmer from TN Turnipoles the Druid, who seeks to teach the world balance and harmony through emulation of turnip-kind?

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>>43831590

I'm envisioning something like pic related.

>>43831486
I personally having a built-in amount of variability and options beyond just feats/maneuvers/spells. For instance: I love the Barbarian Rage Powers, the Paladin Mercies, the Rogue Talents, etc. I'd absolutely go crazy if DSP created a sort of "create-an-initiator" that allowed you to pick about 4 disciplines, your initiating attribute, some extra bits like Rage/Sneak Attack/Monk Damage/etc. That'd be a dream come true.

>>43831568
He is allergic to atheism so Pharasma uses them as End Times repellant.

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>>43831272

>Arueshalae
>Greta
>Tessa Fairwind

Which one is the best waifu, and why?

>>43831465
>>43831543
>>43831568
>>43831590
If I remember correctly, atheistic souls who get fed to Groteus aren't actually destroyed, but are instead sent to a plane beyond the Dark Tapestry. Earth.

>>43831619
All three at once in a very strong homebrew crossover AP.

>>43831543
>What the fuck is this place? Who the fuck are you?
>Shit you actually exist?!
>It's hell for me right? No?
>Man, its kind of nice here

>>43831568
That's the thing, there's 2 versions of how it can go down for atheists in Golarion.
If you're a moderately decent person and didn't really do much you go to the spiritual equivalent of unclaimed baggage, which is a surprisingly nice place, Pharasma runs it and its pretty much just a peaceful pseudo-heaven without being urged to jihad against demons and shit.

Its only if you're an atheist and a massive vehement cunt about it that your salt is enough to repel Nom-nom-moon and so you have to not just be an atheist, but a faggot about it, to get bad ending.

>>43831619
Greta! Awoo!

>>43831540
oh no, see, if any demons find out about your room? they're going to smash the statues (to gain the favor of the imprisoned succubi), and then after those succubi reform back in hell you're going to have a troupe of SUPREMELY angry devils with connections (via soul trade, blackmail, political schmoozing, etc.) to bring to bear against you--in roundabout ways, since they know you're manipulative and stoneflesh-happy.

and their bosses who've been wondering why they'be been missing for so long (and not paying their usual dues to them)

>>43831606
Why atheist souls, though? Couldn't she just ask a bunch of outsiders to erase their memories of gods? Wait, why not just use mindless souls?

>>43831664
Being atheist and not knowing about gods are two very different things in Golarion.
I guess somehow atheism is some sort of tangible force and Groetus is vulnerable to that energy type.

>>43831664
man, i'm not even sure how anyone can manage to be atheist in golarion--the gods and their agents are literally walking around and shit.

unless they're the beta ray bill style of atheist

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So Weapon Master's Handbook, Bestiary 5, and Occult Reams are out in the usual place 3 doors down. Get it while it's hot.

>>43831664
According to Beyond the Vault of Souls, its less a matter of being unaware as those that deny him wholesale, it repels him, their furious belief in FUCK YOU DAD keeps him in orbit.
And basically you need a few gems to keep him up there, less than 100 while one is thrown his way every so often to push him back to the outer rim of his orbit (since gravity, entropy, can't stay up there forever, whatever.)

Thing is, the souls of TRUE atheists that think like that are so rare that losing even 20 such stones is enough to tip the balance to the point where Groetus is coming in like its Majoras Mask all up in this bitch, which heavily implies people like that are very, very few and far between.
Maybe if you collected 1000 or 2000 souls like that you could create a field that'd keep him up there forever, who knows.

>>43831746
It's not like I already posted Bestiary 5 and Occult Realms a few days ago or anything.

>>43831746
on /sci/ or /tv/? why would they have them

also >occult reams
ghost blowjob! woo woo!

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>>43831619

Is that even a question?

>>43831723
Look to Rahadoum. The whole nation is founded on "the Gods are more trouble than they're worth, so nobody worship any of them. No rites, no supplications, don't even let in any foreign preachers."

Question for anyone who's played/playing a Warder:
How the fuck do you roleplay the application and use of Armiger's Mark?
What the hell could you possibly do to cause the dick-ass thief to think "Hmm, I can't seem to maintain my focus very well when I try to attack anyone but this giant mass of metal that dares call itself a living person."
It's not magical, and the creatures are even aware of being marked.
There is no way shouting "I AM YOUR OPPONENT, COWARD" is going to make anyone be less capable of attacking other people.
Assistance, please.

>>43831723
Atheist in Golarion means more "I don't think the gods are worth worshiping" than it does "The gods aren't real!"

>>43831746
I got mine earlier, so thanks you to all the folks that helped to get those up for us. Now while all the people that didn't already grab them go do so, I'm going to just stare at booty for a little while.

Also, enjoy your turkey-day and Black Friday sales, everyone.

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>>43831517
>>43831568
>>43831604
Interesting. What's the level of intuitive play you'd want out of a well-designed class?

>>43831798
You could be edging yourself in their vision so they're uncomfortable attacking someone else while your around.

>>43831798
You basically press the assault against them in such a way that they have to focus on you, otherwise they're rendered ineffective as balls.

>>43831659
>they're going to smash the statues (to gain the favor of the imprisoned succubi), and then after those succubi reform back in hell
I don't think that's how it works, dead demons just have their demon energy go back to the Abyss and stay dead

>>43831798
Play it up as pissing them off enough that they want YOU, and you alone, dead.
Give 'em the old finger motions: Fingers towards your eyes, fingers towards their eyes, point at your teammate, thumb across the throat as you make a "csssht" sound.
>>43831820
I should be able to play the class with a minimal amount of outlining ("this class uses STR and WIS as their main attributes, and is built as a hard-to-kill motherfucker") and without needing to trick out my character sheet for it to be functional and fun.

>>43831820
It should easily do what's designed to without having to powerplay and go throu the whole feats list to find the wombo combo for it being functional

>>43831850
>dead demons just have their demon energy go back to the Abyss and stay dead

Demons are infinite since they're able to just reform back in the Abyss, though.

>>43831798
Do the Zorro thing?

>>43831903
No, dead outsiders merge with their home plane. New demons come from dead CE mortals.

>>43831797
>>43831799
Like I said here;
>>43831770
Its not even 'gods aren't worth it' that gets you Vault of Souls'd
It's more, guys like this

http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Touvette
Fuck the gods, no I don't care if my people are suffering for lack of health care, anyone found being a god-follower in MY kingdom is going to get his dick chopped off.
You don't just have to be an atheist, you have to hate the gods, deny them with a passion that borders on delusion or be arrogant enough to deny that sometimes, you kind of need a little outside help.
And you gotta be frothing about it, to the point where your opinion becomes a weight on reality.

Basically the point where you become what a Cleric/Paladin of a god is to a follower, but for Atheism, is the point where you become Groetus-noms.

>>43831820
At the very basics, it should rely on one mental and one physical stat, and have enough baked-in stuff that I can choose any fighting style and still be able to contribute both in and outside combat in fairly broad terms, like social skills, damage, mobility, or general buffs. Optimization and archetypes would hopefully focus more on niche stuff like using people as weapons or jumping onto people to stab them harder, rather than just increasing my numbers, although that's also nice.

>>43831820
i generally see the bard/alchemist/inquisitor pointed to as fairly well-balanced--they have their specific shtick (performance, bombs/mutagens, and judgment respectively), can perform moderately well in a variety of situations, and are good at what they aim to do straight out of the box. they CAN be hyper-optimized, but it's not required to function (unlike, say, the core monk/rogue, which both required a PhD in system mastery and were rather mediocre even then compared to other classes, outside of a few archetype combinations)

>>43831570
To clarify, the demon/devil dichotomy is purely arbitrary (even within those categories they do not look even remotely related; balors and pit fiends are practically the same thing). It is a result of Gygaxian autism trying to force everything to fit into the alignment system. The biblical, medieval and modern concepts of hell cover both types and beyond.

Why is a cosmology not defined by planescape's blood war so hard for some people to imagine that they must denigrate any and all heresy?

>>43831570
I don't understand why you're so opposed to the existence of more than one fiendish race. Alignments aside, they each have unique motivations, hierarchies, origins, and behaviors. Why not have separate races?

Which fiendish race would you want to join?

>>43832162
Demons have the most fun.

Writing up a character tonight for a game with a few local uni friends and since I've got our DM to accept PoW material, I'm plannign on putting together either a stalker or harbinger to get some hit-n-run edgy blade play. Any basic maneuvers/stances to start with?

We're starting level 1 and rolling stats so I don't know what my stat spread is goign to look like, but right now I'll just ask for what disciplines/maneuvers work best. Cursed Razor is a must have, but what else works best on that?

>>43830336
>implying that never adds extra delicious when your middle aged oracle runs a train on her nightly

>>43832115
>Alignments aside, they each have unique motivations, hierarchies, origins, and behaviors. Why not have separate races?
Those differences were added long after their original appearance to justify their alignments and separatism. Even then they still have more similarities than differences. This article explains it best: http://archive.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/drdd/20070924

If you remove the alignment part and let daemons, demons and devils be of any evil alignment... there really isn't much of a reason to keep them separate. Sure, you could keep the hierarchies under the archdevils and demon princes and horsemen, but there isn't any reason for demonic breeds to be limited to one hierarchy. You could have archdevils with succubus consorts and derghodaemon soldiers. Which to me sounds more interesting than Golarion canon.

>>43832243
Black Seraph, Primal Fury, Veiled Moon.

>>43832347
There's no reason you can't have that in Golarian Canon.
A devil like at he'll, goes "fuck this", and ammasses a horde of similar race traitors in a demiplane of his own design.

Hey, generally speaking, which one of these two characters will perform better in combat?

Scarlet Throne dex-based rapier
or
Broken Blade dex-based unarmed

I know you can mix and match, but I'd like to specialize in one discipline, and I can't pick between these two
Deadly Agility is a feat I'll take, yes.

>Random Weight for Half-elves
> Male Base Weight 100 lbs
> Female Base Weight 90 lbs

Does one notices the little difference at all?

>>43832613
Broken Blade has insane damage, so it's generally better.

>>43831619
>tfw in each respective campaign, my character waifu'd these three

I abstain.

>>43832657

Sir, you must provide stories for each.

>>43832613
Scarlet Throne/Broken Blade Dex-based with Weapon Group Adaptation (light blades)

>>43832613
Scarlet Throne rapier is a lot cooler, imo.

Ok, I've been called upon to right up an introduction to my campaign setting for my club to use in a megacampaign. Look it over, tell me what you think, what parts are the most interesting, whatever. It's an overview to try to get people to figure out which in-depth intros to the different parts they want to read. Prepare for a bunch of posts.

Eleutheria had long been a cautionary tale about the dangers of democracy. It maintained the ancient rights of its citizens to choose their own laws and leaders. What became of it? A single city that ruled itself only because it had the good fortune to be built on an unassailable island. An unstable city, where tyrants ruled more often than not. That is no longer the case. The great reformer Eunomos took power there by the will of the people, and his reforms brought stability to his nation for the first time in centuries. All of a sudden, democracy did not seem to be madness.

The merchant class of the old world needed no more encouragement to demand new rights of their own. The empire of the Taralings had long allowed its lords to elect an emperor from among their own number, but all others had been forced to kneel down before the throne. The burghers demanded the right to choose their own leaders, and heretics rose up and demanded the right to preach independently of the landed churches. Some were content to beg for concessions, but others claimed their rights by force. The merchants of Grottenburg crucified their own lord on their city's docks and declared their city to be a free republic. The imperial throne could do nothing against them, for the emperor's powers no longer extended beyond the reach of his army. Now each lord rules as best he can, and makes war on his neighbors as he pleases.

>>43831746
No sign of Book 4 of Hell's Rebels?

>>43832686

The empire cannot fight a civil war on its on. Many lords looked to their northern neighbors, the kingdom of the Pomani, for allies. The Pomani were their distant kin, ruled by a grand prince who was elected by the nobility. The imperial lords found mercenaries among the Pomani, but not allies. The Pomani nobles had a long tradition of demanding new rights from the princes, and many among them felt more sympathy for the budding republics than for an emperor. Even so, the Pomani are not free from the changes that are sweeping across the old world. Their old faiths are dying, and their people are flocking to new religions that preach enlightenment and mastery over the world rather than faith in gods.

The men who call themselves the Fiandwyn likewise find a place in the empire as mercenaries, for they can find more wealth and glory fighting in that war than in raiding each other. They have no great stake in the civil strife itself, for although they are ruled by sacred kings who are crowned through ancient rites, each man also has the right to speak and argue in their clan's court. Nor do they care for the religious strife that has brought so many people to blows. They have no time for care for any faith save their own, for the Fiandwyn contend with fey creatures who give blessings and curses in equal measure. Men who can bargain with such powerful beings have little use for prayer.

>>43832548
Such a situation is still considered exceptional rather than routine. The hierarchies are treated as monolithic power blocs with their own planes of existence. There is no cosmopolitan presentation of hell where the three races are divided into numerous factions that may ally with factions of other races.

>>43832664
Does that actually function the way I think it would?
Like, if I use Cartwheel Axe Kick, it suddenly works with my weapon, or does it just let me use the unarmed attack even though I have the weapon in my hand?

>>43832709

Only the kingdom of the Vassacae remains aloof from the conflict. Their king is a prudent man, and he sends his nation's dissidents and plotters forth into the world with royal charters to seek their fortune in foreign lands. That has been enough to maintain an uneasy peace between the rising merchants and the falling nobility, for although neither group knows its place in the changing world, they have not come to blows. The great churches remain concerned that their flocks are falling into heresy, but as long as those heretics are likewise sent to distant lands, they are content to keep their inquisitions discrete.

The old world has long traded with the Dodekapotamon, for that land is rich with gold and precious stones. The route over the mountains and through the desert into that land was long and dangerous, but the rewards were great. It is a land of rivers and dozens of small cities that have grown up around them. To stray into the lands away from the rivers is to invite death, either at the hands of nature itself or from the monsters that dwell in them.

Imperial strife has made the trek into the Dodekapotamon even more dangerous. The Grottenburg merchants sought an easier way, a way that did not require them to pass through the empire, and so they chartered an expedition to cross the ocean to the west and seek a sea route. Remmer Hesken led the voyage, and although he failed in his task, he succeeded in one that was far greater. He found a new world.

>>43832731

He landed among the people who call themselves the Caquetoc, who live in great cities that are ruled by their priests. Their warriors bind themselves either to their gods or to the spirits of the wilds, and they seek to empower themselves and their spirits through great deeds in war. They fight as much for the sake of fighting as for any other reason, and they rejoice in honorable bloodshed.

Mountains rise up from the continent, and an empire has risen up from those mountains. The Custi seek freedom from the cycle of reincarnation through meditation and alchemy, giving rise to a noble class that has passed beyond life and death. Their enlightened alchemists govern in their emperor's name, and they are served by a vast bureaucracy. Even so, the empire is far from unified, for although all among them kneel to the throne, many would rather see themselves sit upon it.

The northern reaches of the new world are poor and cold, and they are populated only by small tribal federations. They have felt the brunt of the old world's colonial efforts, for they could not resist conquest with the strength of the south. Some tribes fight, some tribes trade, and some tribes submit, but none can maintain their old ways any longer.

The new world is riddled with growing colonies. No nation has ignored it, for to do so is to invite poverty and weakness. Some go to the colonies to seek wealth, others glory, and still others freedom. They are dangerous places, but they offer great rewards.

Those colonies are not restricted to the new world. The boldest explorers have found rites that allow for passage to the innumerable planes of existence, and they seek to settle upon them. Those planes have responded in kind, and the influence of angels, devils, and stranger beings can be felt in the world. Some seek servants, some seek knowledge, and some seek only to trade.

>>43832755

Those outsiders are the future of mortality, just as mortality is the future of the outsiders. Few can escape from the great wheel of reincarnation. Some men claim that the gods can pluck their favored servants from the wheel, while others say that enlightenment offers an escape. All agree that few can escape from the cycle altogether, and that none can escape the influence of their past lives upon their souls.
There we go. What do you guys think, as a general world introduction?

>>43832728
There's no reason that can't happen though, even if it is exceptional.

>>43832729
You can always use an unarmed strike with full hands anyway. Broken Blade just has a dumb restriction to discipline weapons, which the feat allows you to bypass.

So your cartwheel kick would still be an unarmed strike, but any strike that doesn't specify them would work with the rapier.

I recommend something not Broken Blade, honestly. Scarlet Throne+Mithral Current is really nice.

>>43832805
The sheathing/unsheathing thing doesn't really work for me too well if I'm going to be fencing with a Rapier.
I also don't have any way to actually gain access to Mithral Current without that series of feats, I think. Not really sure.

>>43831619
Which one was Tessa Fairwind again?

>>43832827

The unorthodox method trait allows you to swap a discipline for it, and you can always get a free swap with the tradition. Fair enough, though.

Mostly I recommend against Broken Blade because it's overtuned, and I personally think there are cooler discs. Riven Hourglass is super cool as well, and fits a speedy fencer.

>>43832347
>Those differences were added long after their original appearance to justify their alignments and separatism
So what? Yes, alignments are theoretically supposed to mean something.

>Even then they still have more similarities than differences
When compared to mortals maybe, but the differences in their motives isn't insignificant. Under normal circumstances they're simply not going to get along, because they are too different.

>Which to me sounds more interesting than Golarion canon.
Well that's entirely subjective. Personally I like the distinct races.
I'm still having a hard time following your actual point, it sounds like you just want a different system but you haven't actually bothered to learn anything about the current Pathfinder lore.

>>43832699
That's next month, remember that it's #100 so it's got to be speshul.

>>43832861

Half-Elf pirate lass from Skulls and Shackles who is a wild carefree slut that becomes a caring, lovable waifu if you try to sit down and romance her rather than become a fuckbuddy.

>>43832906
What book is she supposed to show up in? I honestly can't remember if we've gotten that far in my Skull and Shackles campaign.

>>43832881
I can't be doin' with anything supernatural due to the character I'm playing, and I'd already have to blow unorthodox method for scarlet throne.
If not Broken Blade, and it can't be supernatural, what else have I got, really?
I like Mithral Current a lot, but it looks like it won't work with a Rapier, to me.

So everyone, what is the best undead theme'd party?

I'm thinking the following:
>Necromancy Wizard
>Undead Lord Cleric
>Gravewalker Witch
>Juju Oracle

But what else? Who else specializes in necromancy well?

>>43832943
Mithral Current works just fine with a rapier. You can sheath/draw any weapon, including unarmed strikes if you want.

What class are you?

>>43832962
Ain't there a shaman archetype that's all about speaking to the deceased or somethin' like that

>>43833004
>>43832943

There's the tradition and the trait; it's intended that you be able to get two possible discipline swaps (either by using a tradition as-is, working with your DM to write one, or, iirc, just swapping one without benefits or responsibilities from an organization).

>>43832942

Book 3, she's a member of the Pirate Council and becomes something of a mentor to the party.

She's easily convinced into bed, but supposedly becomes a proper cutie waifu if you try to take it slow.

She, like Arueshalae and Greta, play into the whole purification fetish.

>>43833033
Oh, her. My GM described her as, "HEY GUYS YOU'RE PIRATES TOO? WELL I'M A BETTER PIRATE LET ME TEACH YOU HOW TO BE A GOOD PIRATE BECAUSE YOU ALL SUCK AND I'M THE BEST" He'll probably replace her with something else.

>>43833004
It works, yes, but who the hell sheathes and draws a rapier as if it was a katana? That'd look silly.
I intend to play a Sworn Protector Warder as a compatriot to another character in the party, and I really like the idea of a dex-based big crits big dodges big dick character that isn't a sneaky asshole rogue. Int is also a nice stat to have since I can get all sorts of knowledges which no one in my party bothers with. A kind of gentleman fencer character, right? No magic shit though, he's got some plot reasons for why he wouldn't partake in the supernatural disciplines.

Anyone have ideas how a Aasimar kingdom could look like?

>>43833076
really gold and white and shiny and with tons of phallic imagery i'd imagine
probably built high up on a mountain too

>>43833070

"Sheathing" for the purposes of MC can be anything from sheathing to just putting it in an obviously nonthreatening position.

As a fencer, I can say that lowering your sword to help invite an attack before stabbing them when they do is definitely a valid strategy.

>>43833099
The specific text:

>A weapon is considered sheathed if it is in a non-threatening position, such as a monk putting their hands at their sides or in their pockets, a spear wielder pointing the tip of their spear into the ground, a soulknife with an unformed mind blade, or even a samurai keeping their katana in its sheath. The terminology of sheathing the weapon is only intended to serve as a shorthand for any number of ways a warrior can present themselves as non-threatening with their weapon.

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>>43833070

>>43833099
>"Sheathing" for the purposes of MC can be anything from sheathing to just putting it in an obviously nonthreatening position.
That'd be pretty fucking great actually. I figured you have to literally sheathe it, like the generic iaijutsu samurai from every anime.
Hey, I'll go and get my GM to allow me to swap one of my disciplines to Mithral Current right now, then. Thanks!

>>43833147
Good luck, man.

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>>43833139
>mfw gba fire emblem battle sprites

Why the fuck are they so good, and why will we never get another game with them?

>>43833182
art takes effort, duh

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>>43833182
There's plenty of romhacks!
Some of them are actually decent!

>>43832884
>I'm still having a hard time following your actual point, it sounds like you just want a different system but you haven't actually bothered to learn anything about the current Pathfinder lore.
I have read the lore. "Both species are extraplanar forces of evil that seek souls to supplement their numbers. Each breed has wretched and implike creatures at the bottom of the hierarchy and godlike archfiends at the top. Each member of both species has a wide array of similar (and often superfluous) supernatural powers. Most demons and devils are superior to members of typical PC races in every way, including incredible intelligence. Their purposes in the material world have always been similar." "While demons seek to pervert and destroy in endless unholy rampages, and devils vex and enslave in hopes of corrupting mortals, daemons seek only to consume mortal life itself."

They're still enemies that are trying to kill you. The biblical concept of hell covers all three. So if I'm going to include them at all, why not put them in the same dungeon?

why do people like pathfinder its shit

>>43833257
Inertia, mostly.

>>43833236
There's no reason you can't.

>>43833236
It sounds like you simply don't care about the lore behind them at all, only what they do when they meet the PCs. Which is fine for you, but is it so hard to understand that other people do care about that stuff?

>>43833147
We're not in the business of needlessly complicating and limiting player options. I hope you enjoy your Mithral Current fun!

>>43833111
>a spear wielder pointing the tip of their spear into the ground
Actually a very threatening way to hold a spear depending on where they learned.

>>43833353
That's true. Whether or not the enemies know that depends on the enemies; presumably, someone who IDs them as a Mithral Current initiator would consider them very threatening indeed.

>>43831486
Well-designed?

By mechanics, something that has a unique role they can offer the party that is highly welcomed but not vital/essential to the party dynamic.

A fighter with his sword doing full attacks is poor mechanics for me - because every martial can deal damage. A barbarian with his rage powers doing unique effects like pouncing and shrugging off magic is a good mechanic.

A wizard with all kinds of spells is poor mechanics for me - because then he's very central to many of the party's success. A bard whose spells focus on what exemplifies bards like charms, illusions and compulsions is a good mechanic.

By fluff, something that has a vague class description that can fit a thematic or aesthetic roleplaying theme for the player as he sees fit. One that can draw a source of good roleplaying that complements other choices by the player such as their chosen race and deity.

A good example is your Tactician class. Their role is very clear but their interpretation for roleplaying can be diverse - you can play a stereotypical grizzled army general or a wise scholar, or they can be something even more outrageous, like roleplaying a protoss executor commanding his allies using the Khala.

>>43833353
Honestly considering how fucking good of a weapon the spear is, having it in your hands is threatening as hell.

>>43833286
I do understand. If I don't want to use that lore because I find it arbitrary and restrictive, then why should my opinion be derided as heresy?

>>43833257
>>43833272
It has a community, it has guides, it has something besides just my own personal group to interact with concerning it.

When's the last time anyone talked about GURPS somewhere besides /tg/?

>>43833386
Your opinion is your opinion, you can do whatever you want. You're the one who brought the topic up in the first place.

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>>43833257
>why do people like X, it's shit
Ay, you realize that you can filter "pathfinder" right?

You literally never have to see Pathfinder on 4chan ever again. Please go away.

>>43833312
Oh god, the lens makers fit my character so well, I love you guys

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>>43831486
Drowanon here, this is what I'd call the pinnacle of Tier 3 design.

ONE THOUSAND YEARS IN PAINT. And I probably forgot something

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>>43833413
TELL ME MORE ANON I mean yay hi I wrote them please tell me more about your character and why they fit.

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>>43832962
Knight of the Sepulcher Antipaladin is a thing you can take for a bruiser who won't mind negative energy.

>>43833111
Its just me but...
If I know the enemy I'm engaging against is a monk or a soulknife, I consider them highly armed unless they are disarmed. In the literal sense.

>>43833484
Sure. You don't know where the attack is coming from, though, and they do, which is what the advantage mithral current maneuvers give represents.

>>43833484
>implying having their arms ripped off from their sockets renders the monk and soulknife harmless.
>Implying being literally unarmed is a penalty for them.

>>43833576
In fact, a psychic armory doesn't need limbs at all!

Or, in the case of one of my NPCs, a working spinal cord.

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>>43833484
>>43833576

>>43833657
I remember trying to get a crippled, one-armed synthesist summoner with 6 in all physical stats past my DM. Good times, good times.

>>43833484
Can't Monks use their unarmed attacks with elbows, legs, and headbutts?

>>43833429
Here, I wrote up a general thing about my character for you.
I had to pastebin it since it's a bit of a long read, and I hate spamming these threads with multiple walls of text.
http://pastebin.com/0jjaC1Uu
Trigger warnings: special snowflakes, cliches, jews
I hope I didn't disappoint you too much. I really like the Lens Makers, and I can't wait for my GM to give me sidequests with them. It'll be tough on him, but that's half the reason I'm even playing this character.

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>>43833202
I think the people on /vg/ were creating one, it didn't look too bad. Definitely could've used some balancing though.

>>43833907
>that
>level 6
>balanced

Maybe if her growths are absolute garbage.

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>>43833429
So if somebody from the community handed you guys a decent maneuver discipline, would you use it?

>>43833952
Aren't all disciplines made of maneuvers?

>>43833952
Depends on what we're handed and if it passes the gauntlet that is my rigorous fucking doubts. I've shot shit down on the concept level, I've shot it down on the execution level, and I'm kinda the guy who works on keeping discipline bloat down. It'd need to be impressive, distinct, and...plausible isn't the right term, but, I'd need to be able to picture warriors using this in my head and not conclude that these people are actually wizards, if you get what I mean?

>>43833907
Oh god, Autism Emblem. That shit crashed and burned so hard, mostly because of other autistic fucks who couldn't handle part of their thread being dedicated to doing something actually decent. That's not even sarcasm, the faggot boldfacedly stated his goal was to keep /feg/ in a constant festering state of shitflinging and waifuposting.

It didn't help the serenes faggot came in and destroyed everything indirectly as well.

It's a shame too, it could have been nice.

>>43834002
>elemental flux
>cursed razor
>not actually wizards

>>43834002
Is there someplace I could send you a link that isn't 4chan?

>>43834021
>mystics
>the actualy wizardfightman

>Harbingers
>Basically-Antipaladin-Man

>>43831619
[/spoiler]Rasputin

>>43831820
Coming in a little late to the conversation, but I think of the Magus as one of the best-designed classes, so I'm going to be using it for examples. I personally think a well-designed class:
A. Is dependent on mainly two stats, with the ability to choose between two options for one of them- a Magus is dependent of Intelligence, and from there you can choose Dex or Str as the other primary stat. This has three effects: it first of all gives the player two immediate and obvious guiding paths forward (strength/dex magus), second it gives the player a choice between focusing on one or the other aspect of that class (the martial or spellcasting side of things, in this case), and third being dependent on only two main stats gives the player some leeway on their stat distributions (with one stat, you jsut max that stat and there's no choice or balance- with three your points are spread too far between your three necessary attributes to allow them to go anywhere else)
B. Has a clear "standard" route of progression to take- for the Magus this involves specializing in your chosen weapon, choosing shocking grasp (which is very clearly the best level-1 spell to be taking given your class abilities) as a known spell, grabbing Intensify as you near level 5, etc.
C. Is multi-classing friendly- dipping a level into Magus gives you Spell Combat, and two gives you Spellstrike, abilities that synergize well with any casting class that finds itself in close combat- or even with pure martial classes that want to dip two levels to essentially get another swing on their Full Attacks by casting Arcane Mark with spellstrike. This opens up entire worlds of build options.
Optionally D. Includes options that enable gimmick builds to actually be viable.

>>43834052

Mystics are better at being fluff wizards than PF wizards are. Harbingers are pretty good sorcerers, too (teleports, wings, summons, transformations, curses and illusions...)

>>43834002
Not him, but smack me down, senpai.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-Gb6LvyNCgLGKsno7BFCTXn4fNaIxUngdbGeGfPk2jg/edit

>>43834079
You know what would make Harbingers better at being sorcerers? CHAbringer.

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>>43834138

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>>43834052
Well, lemme try the option that involves the least amount of potential exposure from both sides - do you have an account on Giantitp, the Paizo forums, or our official forums? Are you willing to acquire one if not?

If you don't and you'd rather not have one, well, then we'll discuss other avenues.

>>43834021
Both have a definitively martial feel and rhythm. I'm fine with 'gishy'. I'm not fine with it not feeling like a martial style /at all/. You know, like those fucking laser discs Oslecamo shat out.

>>43834138
See picture.

Hey /pfg/ I'm doing a homebrew class and I want to make an initiator archetype for it can you guys help me choosing it's discs?

The class is the Speedster, based on being a mobile warrior ala, 3.5 Scout, and some supernatural abilities, Flash style. The archetype would trade Skirmish and other attack and defense abilities for disciplines and a choice of two weapon fighting, flurry of blows, or a flurry variant that can only be using while wielding a weapon einhander.

What I need are disciplines that can fit with that idea of go fast. I'm thinking Mithral Current, a choice between Thrashing Dragon, Broken Blade and Scarlet Throne depending on what he chose for his full attacks, and a third disc. That third disc is where I'm stuck. So, what do you guys think? Riven Houglass, Veiled moon, or maybe one that focuses on charges like Golden Lion or Primal Fury?

>>43834214
I like Riven Hourglass. Gottagofast.

>>43832663
I can give you Arueshalae, I suppose. It'll take a bit to green text, though. I'll tell the full story, or most of it.

>party is my Paladin of Erastil (Aasimar-Ulfen from Linnorm Kingdoms, son of Erastil, Divine Source, wields a greatsword in one hand and shield in the other thanks to I think a custom mythic ability I spent), Paladin of Iomedae (fanatic, fucked with by demons as child, Beyond Morality so got a bit un-paladin like), Riftwarden Wizard (think MtG's Izzet guild for attitude and you're on the right track, and he really liked lightning bolts)

So that's our party.

>after a long trek through and about the Worldwound, we had just completed our conquest of a Linnorm (this pleased my character, because he now has the right to become a Linnorm King)
>one of the NPCs (I forget who) mentioned that she was saved as a child by what she described as a priestess of Desna who shot arrows of light at demons
>we gotta find this
>my character has a dream vision, of a woman seeking forgiveness and safety, in danger, she needs my help, moths and butterflies were in the dream
>TIME TO PALADIN UP IN THIS SHIT
>Iomedae paladin thinks it's a trap, says we should ignore it
>I say no, I know it might be a bad idea to split the party, but goddamnit, somebody needs help
>spend all night praying to Erastil
>"Look, before I say anything, are you going to settle down and get yourself a nice wife once this crusade is over? I'd like to see some grandkids from you, son."
>GODDAMNIT THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION I ASKED DAD

>>43833921
If I recall she was supposed to be an Ogma; her growths were around 260% total, compared to everyone else's 300%.
>>43834012
Yeah, it's a shame. I was really looking forward to it, too. Here's hoping that it either comes back, or Onmi's hack for FE6 blows everything out of the water.

>>43834211
>shitting laser discs

is that a spell-like ability of disk of force?

>>43834257
>get griffon mount (gift from Queen Galfrey for valiant service) from stables
>set out alone, takes longer because I'm soloing this shit, DM informs me that if I take too long my quest might fail
>been getting more Erastil hints about the grandkids, he won't stop badgering me every time I pray to him for spells (not actually speaking, more sudden nudges)
>finally come across old Desnan temple
>demons are besieging it
>I THINK NOT
>fall from the skies upon them like a thunderbolt, holy warrior shining with celestial light, smacking demons around with a giant fuckoff huge sword in one hand and a glowing shield in the other
>DEUS VULT
>feelsgoodman.jpg
>fight my way to the temple where she's hiding
>brief lull while demons regroup from the whatthefuckjusthappened.jpg
>enter room where she's hiding
>wounded, alone, look of relief in her eyes
>"You came."
>suspect tiefling heritage, no fucks given, she needs help
>go to the main door of the ruined temple, plant self, nobody and I mean NOBODY is going to pass me, horde of demonic spawn beginning to close in (mostly little shit that I can cleave and smite, not supposed to actually hurt me but instead be cinematic, but some big ones that fucking hurt like a bastard)
>come at me, brospawns
>demons slain: sixty-five exactly, I'm left on something like -3 HP and bleeding out, but conscious
>darkness spell, annis hag leader arrives
>TRAP CARD, DARKVISION BITCH
>lose shield, two-hand sword + fleet warrior + mythic vital strike + smite evil (last one), hag takes 2x her HP in one shot
>walk back up to room of hiding (still bleeding out), more demons coming
>ring Artifact Bell, safe for now (demons can't enter the room, wish I'd known about that earlier but too busy with cleave and smite)
>MYTHIC TRIAL PASSED
>wounds treated by this woman I came to save, feeling a bit foolish because now we're stuck
>strike up conversation

>>43834262

Disciplines. The guy wrote a bunch of touhou disciplins that were overpowered (compared to other options) and badly-designed (in general), and all about dropping buckets of dice in manners that not even the full casters could match.

>>43834211
I believe I have a giantitp account, if not I can get one.

I can also get a DSP forums account if you'd prefer that instead.

>>43834279
>she introduces herself, very shy, soft-spoken, nervous
>tiefling still seems concerned, always asking if I'm really there to help, I assure her that it's why I'm here, don't worry
>still nervous, I take her hand and promise that she'll come to no harm, her heritage doesn't bother me
>she blurts out that she's a demon, a succubus
>long moment passes
>don't let go of her hand, if she's sincere, then that's all that matters
>furious blushing immediately, has trouble meeting gaze
>we hang around in the little room while I work on a plan to get out, only place to sit is the bed
>awkwardly sitting on bed together, still holding hands (she doesn't seem to want to let go, DM explains to me that I'm pretty much her lifeline at the moment)
>sort of chatting, talking about little things, she wants to know about the world, spend a few hours getting to know each other
>suddenly, RIFTWARDEN WIZARD teleports in (Iomedaean paladin stayed home, some big ceremony thing was happening)
>come up with plan: grab bell, collapse temple on demons, wizard teleports us out
>wizard not sure about this, but okay
>ask Arueshalae (now nicknamed "Rue") if she thinks Desna would mind (after all, it's her temple)
>butterflies briefly drift around the room
>goodtogo.jpg

>back in Drezen
>paladins immediately want to smite demon
>put her under my charge, if anybody has a problem with it then they can take it up with my challenge gauntlet on the cobblestones
>she goes under a geas (Iomedean paladin was complaining very loudly about it IC, so I went along OOC) and isn't allowed to be far from me, plus other movement restrictions and so on
>spend a week or two wandering around Drezen (Rue is passed off as a tiefling to the populace as a polite fiction), just talking about the world, where my character comes from, what he wants to do, things like that
>lot of hand holding going on

>>43834295
>start getting weird looks from people
>certain people offer rudeness to Rue, I wind up fighting a challenge or two
>she basically has stars in her eyes every time she looks at me, which still isn't often because of the whole blushing thing, and increasing amounts of antsyness and nervousness
>realise somewhere along the line that we aren't actually talking out loud any more, and are pretty much in each other's heads, that's why people look at us weirdly
>SACRED GIFT: +2 CHARISMA (also those Erastil nudges have stopped)
>favourite thing for her to do with me while we're alone, hold hands, and talk about things, I'm pretty sure I'm coming out of this campaign with a degree in psychiatry or something
>stuff happens, plot progresses
>time to go kill Xanthir Vang and help out Riftwarden Wizard, since he was being a total bro this whole time (not so Iomedean paladin, starting to turn into a glory hound out to save the world without caring about saving the individual people in it)
>Rue comes along, because she doesn't want to be left behind, frankly my character wouldn't want to leave her behind at this point, he's just kind of taking a while to get around to sorting things out

>Xanthir Vang sanctum
>combat encounters, etc., Rue slowing us down because of her "staggered in the presence of other demons" problem and us needing to continually divert resources to protect her
>still, she contributes

>>43834290
Giantitp is just fine. Drop a PM to Lord_Gareth.

I'm having some trouble figuring out what the Curse of the Crimson Throne adventure path is about. Is it mostly just politiking? Someone told me before that it's a good path for Adventurers that don't kill everything evil right off, and I can't seem to figure out what they were referring to.

>>43834317
>fighting Vang, he tries to sow dissent among the party by claiming I'll be forever damned to the Abyss for associating with demons
>NO YOU
>he starts throwing enervations at us, we're actually at some risk of dying here, DM not pulling any punches
>tries to tempt Rue telepathically into joining him, I can hear it, so some weird double-battle is going on in our heads with him in a debate while we also fight him normally
>he offers her anything she could want, her fondest memory from her entire life as a succubus, if she'll side with him (he was losing the spell battle with Riftwarden Wizard), he'll give her literally the favour he's owed from Deskari himself to do with as she pleases
>in her head, which my paladin is still able to see, her fondest memory is when she told an angel (me) she was a demon and he didn't pull away
>Vang's butthurt status at being thwarted: 12/10
>dominates her and attempts to get her to use her Energy Drain on me out of spite to force her back to evil, he's about to die anyway (asshole)
>she fails the Will save

>>43833033
Is she available for lady loving?

My slayer is probably gonna end up dying if things go the way they have been, which means I'll be swapping to my cohort (GM's rule).

>>43834339
>kiss
>first kiss, mid-battle
>full-round action
>no energy drain
>suddenly have the effect of Restoration and Breath of Life
>WAITAMINUTE.jpg
>DEMON STATUS: REDEEMED
>Vang gets one howl of absolute frustration and failure in before Riftwarden Wizard finishes him off with lightning bolts
>Iomedean paladin has been killing stuff to hold the line at the door, he actually did a pretty damn good job of murdering the shit out of everything else in the encounter since I had to keep spending actions on the mental battle as well as the physical one
>combat over

>epilogue: we go back to Drezen
>first thing the two of us do is quietly go and do that holding hands thing on the bed, then various other things on the bed that ended the dry spell
>Praying to Erastil the next day
>"I'm proud of you, son. But you need to put a ring on that."

And that's pretty much the story. She survived all the way to the end of the campaign and beyond, where the two of us left on a journey to meet dear old Dad.

>>43834133
I'm not Gareth, but I have a suggestion:
Change the name of the second feat back Cracking. It's a good pun, but if you change the spelling like that it forces people to notice it and makes it bad. With the proper spelling people will only notice the pun when they say it out loud, making it more subtle and eliciting a chucle.
Humor can't be forced, it must be smooth.

>>43834133

The 9th is still a shittier version of that one Sleeping Goddess 5th or 6th (with slightly more damage).

>>43834341
Everyone on Golarion is bisexual except for female Clerics of Milani who are exclusively lesbian.

>>43834400
Yeah. It's a placeholder right now though. I do like it, but I'm still rolling around the idea in my head on what I want to do with it.

>>43834341
Yes.

>>43834328
How far in are you? It take place mostly in the city.

>>43834421
Right. Forgot about that bit. I'll have to see if my GM is down to play that up a bit.

Assuming my slayer dies, of course. He might pull through long enough to meet her.

best part is that while i'm playing the first mate of our crew, the captain's in hard with Sandara because his girlfriend picked up the character. no, i'm not joking. yes, she was reworked to be an actual PC.

>>43834384
Also, more constructive criticism:

Stance of the Bloodied Beast should impose a -2 penalty on the extra attack. TWF without penalty is generally a design no-no specially at first level. Maybe the penalty can decrease at say 8th to -1 and at 16th to no penalty. Change "This free attack may not trigger Stance of the Bloodied Beast." to "This free attack may not trigger the rend ability of Stance of the Bloodied Beast."

Stance of the Shifting Sea: Add "as an immediate action" between "Whenever an attack misses you," and "you may expend a readied maneuver". Without that phrasing you can potentially do it multiple times in one round. Actually if it spends an immediate action maybe it doesn't need to spend maneuvers.

>>43834384
Not DrowAnon, I was the one who pushed to change it from "Krakenin" to "Krackin".

Unfortunately, his humor can be a liiiittle forced, but his NPCs are awesome in-game.

>>43831101
> Succubi drain levels to eat

Finally, a real motivation for my Murderhobo to indiscriminately murder for exp. Has a succubus daughter he has to keep fed with level draining hugs.

Massively "experienced", but he never manages to break level 8 and is always concerned about dropping too far down and not being able to adventure any more.

>>43834727
They don't actually need to eat, being outsiders, but it's fun for them. Also, how is his daughter a succubus?

>>43834624
Captain Blacmanes Spiced Rum: The names on this series of maneuvers are way too gimmicky, though I can't think of other names for them. Also I'm pretty sure the DC of maneuvers is 10+maneuver level+initiation modifier. The DC should be 11+initiation modifier.

Hustle-Shuffle: "You may have this movement not provoke an attack of opportunity" Why would you want to provoke? Change it to "This movement does not provoke an attack of opportunity"

Surfacing Kraken: Put "Make a melee or ranged attack" as the first phrase. Makes the paragraph more understandable.

Stab and Shoot: Again with the may. Just use "This atack does not provoke an attack of opportunity." There are builds that might want to eat AoOs as a form of tanking but ranged and melee TWF is not that build.

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>>43834133
Untethered Cannon is hilarious, but a little overblown in effects for being totes not supernatural.
All the Spiced Rums should just be strikes, why are they boosts?
It's all very piratical and stuff, but I'm not really seeing a theme other than get lots of attacks and rend.
You can go ahead and make all the damageless trip ones just deal damage as well. In fact, I'd work that up into a subtheme, with getting bonuses for putting the boot in while they're down or otherwise messed up.
Also >Topsy Turvy

>>43834806
>why would you want to provoke
The one stance that gets you bonus attacks for being missed?
That said, I think it's still distinctly gimmicky.
Also, change spilled rum right now: It's nowhere near as bad as the Paragon Surge shenanigans, but "I am SO ANGRY over SPILLED BOOZE that I temporarily GAIN A FLY SPEED" is dumb.
Throw in more luck and pushing your luck elements, maybe?

>>43834806
Second and third level:
Bullet Parry and Hurling Monkey are okay.

Shove and Shoot: Again with the may. Either provoke and make the feats and class abilities that make you not provoke useful, or not provoke at all. In fact I would prefer if the maneuvers actually provoked, I feel you should need to expend resources for not provoking when you shoot.

A Bit Further: Capitalization on the name. Add "and reachs farther." after "points of damage"

Hitting the Deck: Last time I mention this but fuck this may shit. Provoke or don't, damn you. Also Hit the Deck would sound better.

Stance of the Bloodied Kraken: Change "Whenever you hit with two attacks in a single turn," to "Whenever you hit an enemy with a melee and ranged attack in a single turn"

Return Fire and Topsy Turvy are fine.

Snapshot: Change the name, Snapshot is already the name of a good feat. I suggest Warning Shot, since it doesn't cause damage.

>>43834538
>How far in are you?
I'm not. I'm considering running it.

>>43832962
Well, what options are there?

>Divine Hunter with Shade of Uskwood
>Vigilante Zealot - Fey with Shade of Uskwood
>Dread Investigator
>Twilight Sage Arcanist
>School Savant Arcanist
>Blood Arcanist
>Magician Bard
>Dirge Bard
>Ghoul Sorceror and Undead Bloodlines
>Spirit Binder Wizard
>Reanimator Alchemist
>Juju or Bones Oracle
>Black-blood Oracle
>Black-blood or Undead Bloodrager
>Gravewalker Witch
>Necrocultist Occultist
>Spiritwalker Mesmerist
>Knight of the Sepulcher Antipaladin

Never mind all the cases of just choosing to specialize in Necromancy. Excluding full caster parties I'd probably go with

Full Caster
Partial Caster or Caster of the Other Kind (ie. Divine/Arcane)
Skillmonkey class (most likely Alchemist/Investigator)
One beatstick

>>43835028

I feel like the simpler solution is that the badly-written AP features a SPECTACULARLY badly-written version of Iomedae, best ignored.