Fake MTG

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from a light to the front

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Compare, bottom ones look too bright to me.

I did the bend test and they passed, was able to see through them with a light. Anything else I can try to make sure?

>>43813079
>Guys, I'm having trouble telling if my cards are real
>Do you think I should rip them in half to find out?

No offense, and if you got sold fake cards on eBay then fuck that dude, but if the "fakes" are so real that you legitimately cannot tell, then they are "real"

>>43813079
Reverse the transaction and notify eBay that you've been scammed.

>>43813428
The main thing is I've never tested for fakes. The two of them being different colors is just fucking with me bad.

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>>43813428
>Fakes just as real as the real thing

They're probably just different printing edition. Its fine, anon.

>>43813485
It'll get there one day.

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>>43813485
If no-one will know, it is real.

>>43813079
If you got them cheap then yes they are fake, if you got them for what stores charge for them then they are real

>>43813079
I work at an LGS and these things happen all the time. Different printings from the same set have slight variations in color and hell even the text is bold or blurry sometimes. I wouldn't worry about it

>>43813669
That's fucking retarded.
Getting a bargain dosent mean fake you dickhole.

>>43813647

>People actually believe this.

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>>43814297
To be real is to be believed to be real, hence the best "fakes" are the most real of all things.

>>43813793
Yeah, it seems to happen even though its disconcerting - I got the zendikar vs. eldrazi deck, and some of those cards look straight up fake, from what >>43813793 said. If I got those cards in singles online, I would be sweating hard.

>>43813817
If they sell for like thirty something apiece, and you bought them for like 8 bucks total or something, then it might be normal to be suspicious.

>>43813079
Sort of on topic: is Stoneman gone for good?
I wanted to get some of his Vintage sets

>>43814484
I've noticed with an event deck I bought and the commander deck recently I've bought there's something about both of them that made them seem fake as fuck. They were almost too glossy or oily or something. They haven't seemed like most other magic cards.

>>43814484
The precon decks, modern masters and commander products all have different printing than the regular sets
They are glossier

>>43813793
I can confirm this. I have multiple cards in different languages, and they drastically change fonts, color and even quality overall.

>>43814297
Of course they do. How do you think religion got started?

>>43813079
>The printing machines will always make every card in every batch exactly the same

>>43813079
Do a UV test

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>>43814934

>>43813079
Look at the text through a jeweler's loop. It should be solid black with no dots.

It's like people completely forgot that miscolored cards has existed forever and is still a common problem.

I have so many cards that are slightly lighter/darker than my other ones.

>>43813647
that was a REALLY good lainpost

On topic where would one go to acquire some good fake cards on purpose, that can pass at tourneys

>>43814531
Second this

>>43817003
China. But you'll actually have to go there in person.

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I got 4ed Lightning bolt that stats in the Print info that it's 1993-1995. All the pictures I have found is just 1995. Is it just different print run or could it be some rarer missprint etc.?
Pic to clarify what I mean.

>>43819918
plz respond

>>43819918
you have a different printing. you have an anthologies reprint of bolt.

>>43813461

>The two of them being different colors is just fucking with me bad.

Nothing out of ordinary here. I own two legit piledrivers (pulled them both from a booster) and they're in two different shades of red.

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>>43813079
No, fake cavern of souls is darker

>>43822927
Anyway I do this every thread and would like some anons to help. A tier list for the fakes, so nobody gets some blurry ass card:

Top tier:
Wasteland, Damnation, Bitterblossom, Steam vents

High tier:
Cavern of souls, MM Tarmo, Liliana, Wooded foothills, Arid mesa, Dark Depths, Chink mage

Mid tier:
Scalding tarn, theros thoughtseize, Mutavault, Marsh flats

Low tier:
Blood moon, Aether vial, Lorwyn Thoughtseize, crytic command

Shit:
Both ensnaring bridges, Rishadan port

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Tundra from ebay: 60 dollars
Playset of Force of Will on ebay: 180 dollars
Jewelers loupe: 5 dollars
Never being ripped off again?
Priceless
Jewelers loupe. The difference could save you hundreds or more on cardboard.

ask a guy who gets high quality proxies anything.

>>43813485
Are you telling me one piece of cardboard with a picture on it is different from another piece of cardboard with a picture on it?
Mind = blown.

If the fake card looks indistinguishable from the real thing, who cares?
Its just cardboard with an image printed on.

>all this shilling for fakes

lmao tbqh f4m ckucks

>>43825401
you don't even play magic, do you?
>mfw giving money to MTGO is the same as buying fakes
>mfw MTGO is paying money for not real cards but no one is stopping it

>>43825077
The problem is that only a few valuable proxies are indistingushable: Wasteland, Damnation and Bitterblossom. The rest have errors, ranging from glaring to passable (Wooded foothills is a bit too dark, the original duals have a matte shade of white in the border instead of yellowish) to pure shit (Ensnaring bridge is wrong in color, font and position of the text) or are not worth the trouble: The shocklands are quite good but meh, it's not like you want to risk being banned for them.

>>43825001

where's the man of stone?

Question: Why do you care?

Do you want to support WotC to such a level that you'll pay for every card out of pocket? These things look like they cost pennies to mass produce then sold at a 3000% markup.

I understand supporting your hobby of choice, but when your hobby is so clearly taking the piss out of you then I'm forced to question why you are so keen to allow it.

As an aside; how much does it cost to make yourself a variety of decks for different situations?

>>43822836
This. Printers aren't perfect and can fuck up a bit like this from time to time.
I used to have a Stem Vent that was pretty lightly colored a few years back that I pulled from a booster as well.

>>43825673
Or an equivalent

>>43825518
I'm sorry to break it to grampa, but the government has ruled digital goods are treated the same as real ones

>>43824953
What you want to specifically look for with a loupe is that the text is crisp and printed *over* the rest of the card. The fakes still print text on the same layer, making it match the dot pattern rather than be crisp

>>43825810
>the cost of a Magic card is only determined by the cardboard used

Is that what you really believe?

>>43826431
I'd be happy to assign an emotional value to a card if it was a gift or I used it often when gaming.

However, they are just spun off a printing press, shuffled and packed into boxes; there's not much love and attention that goes into a single card.

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>>43826481
You seem to entirely miss that cards don't appear out of nowhere. A card has to be designed, developed, and also be flavored, including the art.

>>43826431
Mostly.

Assuming that you made a fake that is absolutely indistinguishable from a real card aside from the fact that you know you just printed and cut one of them yourself, what makes one more valuable than the other?

>>43825810

you don't support WotC by buying singles. They only profit from booster/boxes/packed product.

If you buy singles you support:

a. your lgs (that's probably the best option as you need a place to play your games)
b. greedy jews.

>>43826548
I was talking about the fact you're undercutting a lot of people's money by buying fakes and not only that of the printer's or WotC. You are taking away money from the artists and from the people who make those cards happen only because you think you have a right to own those cards.

>>43826574
To be fair, those singles, too, come from packs and boxes. So Wizards profits indirectly from those sells.

>>43826599
I don't think that Christopher Rush or WotC are making much money off of me buying an Alpha Black Lotus on eBay.

>>43826599
The fake market does prop up the legitimate market to some degree; a healthy market of fakes is a good metric of success. Not that I'm advocating full scale forgery.

>>43826526
Wouldn't try to argue otherwise, personally I've handled few MtG cards but I can't dispute that the artwork is spectacular. Clearly WotC hires talented artists.

There is, however, a world of difference between the original piece of art and the 58,823rd print of a card.

>>43826645
That's not how it works exactly. With each new product Wizards puts out, there is a "promise" to buyers that it holds some value that might even go up significantly in the future. With fakes this value is undercut by a large margin because trust in the product is being lost. This is reflected directly in the sales of boxes and other cardstock. With less money, Wizards has less to invest in new product.
Art is, interestingly, the most expensive about a new Magic set, by the way.

>>43826717
*the most expensive thing

- Love, someone who is certainly not working at Wizards R&D.

>>43826717
>With each new product Wizards puts out, there is a "promise" to buyers that it holds some value that might even go up significantly in the future
Does your equation take into account that speculators don't buy and open sealed products which is what actually funds Magic?

>>43814610
Cards from premium products have always looked different.

>>43814531
Na you just gotta hit him up on skype.

topjasonchen

>>43822981
Blood moons must have been fixed, I had a playset come in 2 weeks ago and they look tops.

Assuming stoneman

>>43826741
Sadly, this. Design and manufacture is always dwarfed by brand advertising in fiscal reports.

Most of the money paid will not end up in the hands of the talented.

>>43826599
>because you think you have a right to own those cards
Not at all, I don't buy them or support the industry of fakes. I have no innate right to the material WotC produces,my argument is one from exasperation with others funding what I see as a scam. You'd find this same indignation in a thread about buying fake lottery tickets.

>>43826936
But what if the fake lottery ticket wins you the lottery? With absolutely no repercussions?

>>43826884
Oh, nice to hear that. Yes, I'm talking about SM proxies.

>>43826625
More importantly, buying singles supports your lgs, and the lgs supports wotc because they can carry sealed product

Also, new singles selling in volume are way better money makers than those duals your lgs can't sell. That's why I'm not too terribly worried about counterfeits of older cards.

>>43827032
>More importantly, buying singles supports your lgs, and the lgs supports wotc because they can carry sealed product
I don't know about you but my LGS does not carry vintage staples.

>>43827032
I live in the great land of Oz, so stores selling singles pretty much either doesn't exist, or they're top price.

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>>43815771
> 2015
> being unironically ironical

>>43827161
> (the current year x 2) - 2016 + 1
> Trying to use irony correctly, if at all

>>43813793
Coincidentally this problem was particularly present in Innistrad block which Cavern of Souls hails from.
It's always bothered the shit out of me

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>>43813485
>>43813485
>>43813485

>>43827124
Some of the shops in my area do

Atl Magic is spoiled

>>43827124
Same. I'm not as concerned about random websites not getting my money, i support my lgs by buying supplies and attending events