Edh/Commander General

>>43803986
>Dat discard
>Dat card draw
>Dat removal
>Dem tutors

But seriously, mono black is boring as fuck. Oh, Massacre Wurm, what a surprise!

Going infinite with Mikaeus and having to explain the combo for five minutes errytime and getting all the hate from turn 1 in every subsequent game.

>>43804077
how does one infinite with mikey

>>43804242
Triskelion, remove counters, dies, triggers undying, repeat

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General (hehe) MTG question here. I will probably sell my MTGO collection for about 1,5k dollars because I don't enjoy playing modern anymore and standard seems like too much of a moneysink.

Any tipps on what to do with the money?

Looking feedback for uncle karl deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karlov-and-souls-sisters-electric-boogaloo-2/

>>43804329
Looks like you've got plenty of triggers, but it looks like it relies very heavily on Karlov being around.

>>43804289

Invest it on dual lands.

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>Go to LGS
>Dank UG mememasters everywhere
>Give them the el D
>Butthurt passive aggressive whining for the rest of the night

UG players need to stop thinking that lands are like their dicks, untouchable.

>>43804242
Any sac outlet + creature with persist or activated ability to remove +1 counters/ETB with -1 counters to negate + from undying. Eg. altar of dementia + spincrusher.

Does anyone have an suggestions for fun sorcery or instant cards for WUB? I just want some powerful strange shit to play. Dosnt need to be a win con, can be a fun con.

I Enigma Sphinxd into True Conviction the other day. Shower me in value for once.

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>>43804631

>mrw I drop an Armageddon with Anafenza and Sun Titan out and have a Sakura-Tribe Elder in the yard

RUG and UR players got salty as hell, fuck 'em.

>Azami and co on board, take a few extra turns, draw 5-10 per turn, digging for MoM and Maniac
>You have been kicked from the game.
How often does this happen to you? The lobby didn't say casual or anything, mind you.

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>>43804898

>he plays online

>>43804289
playset of foil goyfs
or Hearthstone

>>43805038

Hearthstone is the only thing that might actually be more stale and boring to play than Modern.

>>43805038
Not a huge fan of hearthstone desu and what would I do with a playset of foil goyfs?
>>43804611
y doe?

I built my very first mono black edh recently, its a xiahou dun the one eyed deck. Its pretty good, but i feel like it needs a lot of work still and i am not sure which direction i want to go with it. Its both a combo, voltron, and recursion, so most of the time i have a ton of dead cards in hand with like a million mana. The only other decks with black i have built before were bug sidisi zombie tribal and sharuum sphinx tribal, in general i run a lot of tribal decks and have a hard time building other styles of decks. Ill post a deck list later on tapped out if anyone is interested.

Remember if you play with any commanders that fuck with the command zone or use un-interactive mechanics (experience counters) you are cancer.

>>43805584
kill yourself or git gud, scrub

>>43805584
>experience counters are now cancer
Looks like somebody just lost to a 23/23 Kalemne.

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>>43805584

Whos the better aura commander, Bruna, Light of Alabaster or Hakim, Loreweaver? I am really leaning towards Bruna for the access to white enchant tutors and angel tribal.

What's the best way to play doran the siege tower? Treefolk tribal, walls matter or junk goodstuff?
Pls respond, i'm new.

>>43804289
build modern zoo, stay in the format with beat down kitties

>>43805584
So who gave you the d? Mizzex?

>>43805634
Bruna, Light of Alabaster by a country mile

>>43805584
I couldn't agree more. Fuck Oloro, I only want to use Shu Yun.

>>43805656
But I don't like Magic the Tappening :< My fav deck was scapeshift but it just doesn't hold up in the current meta. Zoo just feels so linear.

>>43805642
kill your self for playing such a shit, O wait your new. Walls matter is cool but gimmicky, junk goodstuff might be best just so you could take the deck apart or other commanders because a lot of people do not end up liking their first commander once they have been in the format for long. Most tribal strategies suck so i would not go there either, also because it does not have a lot of support. If it is not Goblin, elves, merolk or slivers it is bad. Junk is ok because there is good value and removal creatures there.
what way do you like to play in other formats?

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>>43805693
no one bite

>>43805718
I play abzan midrange/controlish in standard and zoo in modern.

>>43805705
you got summer bloom man. we just need to kill anyone who plays jund and it will be fine. a decent amount of creature combat never hurt anybody.

>>43805743
yea i think junk good stuff for you. It will let you aggro and have all the removal you want or control. Now you could do a mix of that and the walls matter trick if you want EDH to be about dem gimmicks or you.

>>43805642
still better than Zurgo

So who else thinks Mizzix's Mastery is absolutely busted in half and needs the banhammer? I play with the card and not even trying to break it, it still wins every game I overload it.


>>43804740
Identity Crisis is fun for you. Not so much for others, but who cares about those faggots.

>>43805754
Jund always seemed fine to me. I just keep getting shit on by all the fking burn decks on MTGO.

Maybe I'll leave my collection for now and just wait a bit. Maybe I'm just slightly burnt out (hahaha. fuck burn decks.).

Xth for Meren, valuemancer

>>43805657

Not that guy but I would feel pretty salty if my opponent played a UUU Time Stretch on turn 6.

>>43805794
god yes fuck burn because i play infect and they like to call the archtype shit

So I wanna buy one of those commander decks, thinking Mizzik because I love shenanigans and hate friendship, any deck building suggestions to get maximum value out of him?

>>43805827
just typical red blue storm stuff'.

>at LGS
>commander casual
>mono blue 20 something eric cartman level fat kid sits down, plays Teferi
>starts manaramping and countering possible future responses
>pisses everyone off on the board talking about how EDH is skill based and it's about reading your opponents
>I get a nice thing going on with mono black liliana, graveyard(s) recursions going strong, wasting good discard keeping blue kid down for everyone
>suddenly Door to Nothingness, kingpin move would be me
>fatass Teferi laughs at me for like, a solid minute during the turn
>Next turn Protenetis kid looks at me with a sad smile "Teferi loses"
>the blue player who tossed all his bounce in discards rages about how gay this format is and how little skill it takes to win
>packs his shit up and watches from two tables over


Beating these salty kids is basically the only reason to go to commander night around here.

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>>43804058
You're playing with shitty MBC players.

>>43805827
First off, Mizzix is a she and my new waifu. Get it right.

Actual advice, X spells are fantastic with her because they always bump her up a counter. Colored mana is at a premium, but you want sol ring/mana crypt so you can get her turn 2. Windfall is disgusting in the deck, as are most spells that draw you cards with only 1 colored mana. Cards that let you play at instant speed are also at their best (vedalken orrey, leyline of anticipation, even Hypersonic Dragon) Also, winning is often pretty irrelevant with the deck, as you'll eventually have 100% control and people will just scoop to your absurd hand size.

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>>43805876
Monoblack is a ton of fun. The creatures you reanimate are usually fun utility creatures, not shit like Massacre Wurm.

You've got your dark confidants, but you've also got your guardian beasts. Then there's tons of spells from a period where the color pie was basically "Yep, black can do that".

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>>43805864
>be me
>go to modern Friday night magic
>everyone miring my collected company elves
>come second place losing to burn
>made one kid throw his hand on the table and rage quit.
>mfw
Getting people salty is one reason I keep playing this cardboard game. Can't wait to get my vampire edh deck and steal people's creatures for maximum salt.

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>>43805905
The pics related here are my favorite type of mono black card: the efficient instant speed tutors with insane risk.

You'll never have more fun in a game of EDH than when you're revealing the first 6 cards for Demonic Consultation. It hasn't burned me yet.

the fact that it's instant, means I can recast it with my general Toshiro Umezawa.

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>>43805877

>Goblin waifu
>not Bowie

My waifu could beat up your waifu.

>>43805864
>suddenly Door to Nothingness, kingpin move would be me
>fatass Teferi laughs at me for like, a solid minute during the turn
>Next turn Protenetis kid looks at me with a sad smile "Teferi loses"
wat

>>43805864

>play 7 player casual EDH deck
>run Phelddagrif
>give everyone mana ramp, card draw, life gain
>everyone has a good time
>mono black mana ramp/vamp player plays Exsanguinate for 36
>kills the whole board in a single round.

Why do mono black players hate fun, /tg/?

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>>43806012

>Prime David Bowie will never claim my virgin asshole

Literally why live?

>>43803986
after playing against a monoblack EDH with cabal coffers and Vesuva, I really wish I had some sort of land destruction

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>>43805693

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What Commanders do you see someone play and instantly go "Oh wow that guy's a huge faggot."?

>>43806208
Grand Arbiter. Animar. Hokori.

>>43806208
Any "spirit of EDH" quirky jank shit

makes it all the better when i #shrek them with SHU MOTHERFUCKING YUN

>>43806208
Prossh. But only if they have a large amounts of tokens.

>>43806208
Oloro. Immediately jump his ass.

Also, Iona. Even if mono-white is terrible.

>>43806208
I hear a lot of people hate Narset. Does anyone hate Jhoira?

>>43806208
Brago,
almost as bad as prophet, esp if they play with every mana rock they can


Riku of two reflections
One person plays a masturbatory solitaire while the others try to continue with their game.

>>43806283
For the exact same reasons except Jhoira can also shit out Eldrazi.

>>43806208
Zur, Derevi and Talrand are all red flags.

>>43806286
I built a burn Riku deck, copies Fire Servant and stuff, zero extra turn shenanigans. It's pretty fun.

>>43806208
None, it depends on what they say before/during the game. Like a Kaalia player I know who asks if he's going to be a target for playing kaalia and refuses to play her if anyone says yes, then proceeds to bitch the whole game if people answer any of his bullshit, saying its targeting. I don't particularly care what general you're using or what your deck does, just don't be a fucking prick.

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>>43803986
r8, h8

http://www.mtgvault.com/mugenkira/decks/shu-yun-edh/

>>43803986
>what makes you love Black in EDH

Black's actually my least favorite color, not because it isn't effective, but because I don't like the WAY it wins.

And yes, I realize that makes me a super-turbo-creatures-the-tappening faggot.

I'll just be over here in my monogreen corner with Molimo.

>>43806381
Seems pretty solid

>>43806397
Play Rakdos.

>>43806397
Play Phage

>>43803986
I was thinking of throwing together a mono black artifacts list with Geth, but I might just opt out of that to see what colorless might offer after OGW.

I know that /tg/ has a massive boner for MLD because it's arguably the best way to counter land ramp, but do please consider that when it comes down to it, its going to hurt the inoffensive decks more then the offensive ones. UGx will just keep land ramping and hold up countermana next time, and the guy who cast the MLD is bound to have a million and a half rocks on board, meanwhile WR, UR, BW, and some of the less rampy color combinations get to sit there playing one land a turn while getting hopelessly behind.

TL;DR MLD is all well and good sometimes, but the people getting salty about it also can have good reason.

>>43806477
If you know MLD is in your meta you should play with it in mind. You don't get to complain that a strategy is unfun because it makes you play differently than if you were goldfishing

>>43806477
>but the people getting salty about it also can have good reason.

git
gud
or
get
#rekt

>>43806477
Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but you should never have to keep other people in mind when putting a deck together, whether it's UG or MLD, everyone is trying to win. Just find a way to make yourself more resilient to those strategies.

>>43805877
>X spells are fantastic with her because they always bump her up a counter

I don't think that's how that works. An X spell's CMC is whatever the mana cost is when X = 0. Stroke of Genius, for example, has a CMC of 3.

>>43806527
X is whatever you paid for it while on the stack, and this will trigger Mizzix's ability

>>43806527
How does it feel being wrong?

>>43806527
Only when the spell is not on the stack.

If you pay 3 into stroke, it will be cmc 6 on the stack but 3 everywhere else.

>>43806535
>>43806536
>>43806545
Mizzix says CMC, and when the CMC is calculated, I thought I'd always seen the clause X = 0.
If I'm wrong, I'm okay with it, because that makes Mizzix much better than I thought, but it seems... strange to me.

>>43806208

More then likely, a mono blue deck (especially Azami). There are exceptions.

> I legitimately enjoyed getting my ass kicked by Ixidor.

Kaalia

>Games always play out the same and player becomes a salt lord if you keep Kaalia in the command zone.

Rune Tail

> Don't touch me.dec

Maralen of the Mornsong

> I too enjoy not playing Magic

Jhoira

>In my experience the deck of choice for people with a shit ton of money and no clue where else to put it,

Zur the Soft-locker.

>Hope you have removal or gg.

Slivers

>Do I need to explain?

Sen Triplets

> See above.

Derevi

>Wow that is a lot of tapping/flickering/idk whats happening, Jesus take the wheel.

Sharuum

>Sphinx tribal is cool, other version not so much.

TL:DR My local play group is competitive and we rotate through all the "over powered" generals till we reach an equilibrium of hate that we can agree on. AKA toned down durdle versions of all the above.

>>43806561
202.3b When calculating the converted mana cost of an object with an {X} in its mana cost, X is treated as 0 while the object is not on the stack, and X is treated as the number chosen for it while the object is on the stack.

>>43806578
>Slivers

Yeah, but I almost never win, so who cares?

>>43806597
Thanks, rulesanon.
My playgroup is gonna give me so much shit for this.

>>43806611

This is true, as one of the sliver players I too feel the hate.
It doesn't make the deck any less lethal if it gets a slight advantage.

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why do you not see this card at all?

>>43806618
I only started playing like 2 years ago, and the group I learned with were pretty bad at the rules.

Made it my goal to make sure I know/understand rules as much as possible


and they were really bad

>didnt know copying spells copied X values
>didnt know you couldnt play lands not in your color identity
>didnt know how triggerd abilitys work on the stack etc etc

>>43806654
If you're already playing Esper it's more efficient to use B reanimate effects

>>43806654
Since you are running B/U/W already you have much better options that that.

Also the creature does not gain haste, therefore it costs 2 to keep it up the next turn.

You can get "around" this by throwing it into the field on their turn.

So unless you are just using it to get some ETB effects off you are just exiling all of your cards

>>43806044
>group hug players complaining about ruined games.

Every game with a group hug player is a ruined game.

>>43806044
So why the fuck did you help somebody win and cry about it again? Somebody won the game you were throwing for everyone else? Magic isnt balanced around one player actively helping others, you're cancer anon.

>>43806044
Gotta agree with >>43806966 >>43807042

It's your own fucking fault. Group hug and chaos decks are banned from my LGS.

People are trying to play a game here, you sitting in the middle flinging shit randomly isn't fun for anyone but you.

>>43806477
>its going to hurt the inoffensive decks more then the offensive ones.

This is a lie, perpetuated by the UG/xIDF.

Consider if everyone has 37 lands in their deck (that seems about the average). I, a dirty UG/x player spend the first 4 turns ramping, so that I have 8 lands on turn 4. Everyone else has 3 to 4. This means that there are likely no lands in my hand, and only expensive, hard to cast cards. Also, there are only 29 lands in my deck. Everyone else has 33-34. I successfully cast armageddon.

Everyone else has better odds of drawing lands. The UG/x Player has worse odds.

Additionally, since everyone else built their decks with reasonable curves, they'll be able to play on less lands than the UG/x player.

MLD means that the UG/x player needs to draw more lands than everyone else, and has less chance to do so. It's a win/win.

Embrace Life. Play Armageddon in a game near you today.

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Looking for any input on my Angry Omnath deck, only really playtested it once but I want to get some of the kinks out before tomorrow night.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/generic-angry-omnath/

>>43807042
>>43807088

I run a Pheldagrif deck with the purpose of facading hug then smacking someone with a surprise blightsteel. Or the SB variation which turns it into TheRideNeverEnds.dec

>>43807126
I did that too once, but I killed them by giving them tokens.

Suture Priest is great.

It wasn't a group hug deck though, which is the difference.

>>43807146
I enjoyed the ability to run the deck as 4 different decks.
Hug
False Hug/Backstab
BearHug
The Ride Never Ends

But yes the "Accept my love!" token kill is very enjoyable.

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Arjun is a fun deck.

>>43807209
>20 minute solitaire turns

NO.

>>43807209
>tfw playing my Niv-Mizzet deck
>bribery the Mizix precon
>win off all the wheels

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>>43807229

Have you met his friend?

>>43807115
not even going to look but im gonna say it needs grove, punishing fire, barbarian ring, centaur garden, life from the loam, and diamond valley since every angry omnath deck somehow omits those

>>43807279
I first learned of the joys of this sexy frog in Damia. That didn't end well for my opponents.

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>>43806208
In my experience it seems like only literal neckbeard basement dwellers, or that guy, play Mayel. Also gross chicks play Kaalia.

>>43807279
>40 minute solitaire turns

This is why my playgroup has developed the Shahazarad rule.

At 5 minutes into your turn, everyone but you leaves the game temporarily, and plays a subgame in a special format. 10 starting life, 20 card decks, 9 card initial hands.

If the subgame finishes before you finish your turn, the winner of the subgame gets to decide your ingame punishment.

Things like "armageddon your lands" or "time stop your turn", etc.

>>43806966
>>43807042
>>43807088

I could respond with a "u mad" or "Jimmies rustled" but I won't. Because Phelddy doesn't approve of smarmand knows I'm better than that.

The groups I play with frankly really enjoy when I run Group Hug because it allows all their decks to play to their full potential and get crazy real fast. Once everyone's working with 25 mana and 4 extra cards a turn the game becomes more exciting, more tactical, and in some cases (like mono black vamp ramp) more volatile.

So I appreciate your bitching but no one complains when I pull out my Group Hug and games become verrrry long and verrrry dynamic as a result. You can keep your boring "only hurting each other" meta.

>>43807395
>my name is timmy. I can't win a normal game of magic so I stopped trying and run group hug. Now I get to pretend to be a winner because I've arbitrarily changed the rules for everyone else. YAY.

>>43807395
To add.
When it comes down to it, the player of said pheldy deck is the decider at what pace the game will be played since they have no obligation to run an actual wincon.
Blame the player who is creating a toxic environment, essentially.

>>43807389

I certainly hope someone in your meta actually plays Shaharazhad during one of your subgames

>>43807445
Mostly they play blistering fast combo decks, since the goal is to determine the most advantageous punishment.

>>43807307
I got Life from the Loam. Diamond Valley is cool but it's also $170. Personally I find the others kinda meh, the sac lands would provide some synergy but I don't know if they're worth replacing basics for because I'm already wondering if I have too few.

>>43807595
unless your running tons of basic land ramp (instead of forest ramp) then theirs no reason to run many basics. You only need around 12 if your jamming stuff like harrow and 7 if your not

your running a 2 color deck, you have a fuck million options for lands that do more than tap for mana. For edh at least 1/3 to 2/5 of your lands SHOULD do something other than produce mana (fetches count towards this number)

>>43807757
Approximately 1/3 of my lands are non basics, 4 of those ramp for basics and Ghost Quarter allows for psuedo ramp with Crucible. I have like 5 ramp spells and the only one that does non basics is Scapeshift.

That said, I have like 25 basics and 11 non. If I was a rich fan I'd have fetches and duals but I'm not.

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>>43805693

>>43807905
it doesnt matter if they are nonbasic or not for the 1/3, what matters is if they do more than just make mana

but yeah, omnath wants a greedy as fuck land base and if your poor af your kinda screwed desu sempai

because you want to run things like dustbowl, and petrified field, and maze of ith, and glacial chasm, and dark depths, just because with two colors you can and will get away with flooding the board with a bunch of bullshit they cant handle both from your lands and commander

also you probably need crop rotation and kessig wolf run

>>43806033
Progenitus player had a door to nothingness, and OP was in an extremely good position to win the game, so he should have been targeted. However, when it was Progenitus's turn, he door'd the fatass Teferi player because he's cancer.

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>Keep trying to build Monowhite to justify the Forged in Stone precon I bought
>Everything feels too slow
Thinking about splashing blue but keeping the equipment focus.
Sygg seems really boring but efficient
Dad bod Daxos seems alright, his ability seems like it's just gonna exile whatever is on top rather than me casting it.
Medomai seems cool but I can see him drawing a ton of hate as well. He's also huge and requires a bunch of effort to keep around.

RW EDH seems like it would run into the same issues as monowhite.

>>43808016
its mono white of course its going to be slow af
just run tempo stuff to make sure you dominate the pace rather than fall victim to it
glowrider, thalia, thorn, lodestone, revoker, you know death and taxes stuff

mono white can do tempo control out the asshole and running stuff like that wont dilute an edh deck enough to mean anything to the main strategy

>>43807972
If I ever have a spare few hundred bucks I'm going to get fetches and shocks. I got Kessig Wolf Run in the deck and Crop Rotation was on the list but it got cut before the end, I'll look at getting it back in there.

>>43808016
You could always run lots of rocks and go voltron.

>play Groupthug
>Illicit Auction enemy Meren
>he pays 10 life to keep her
>everyone starts playing Archenemy against me
>Talrand guy doesn'T play a single card to always be ready to counter everything I have
>even let's an Eldrazi Monument by Meren-guy through
>dies to it the turn after I did.
I feel bullied. All I did that entire game anyway was drop a Rite of the Ragin storm on turn 2 (which nobody used) and that single auction.

I currently have monowhite angels tribal. This sounds terrible, but how well would it work if I switched to Kalemne? My guess is that it would probably be about the same, but with red and a potentially decent commander that doesn't cost 8 (Akroma). Then again, a 4/4 double strike vigilance for 4 really isn't THAT terrible as a commander by itself, now that I think about it. It's just kind of boring.

> LGS has an EDH league
> uses points
> you lose points for MLD
> 9/10 decks are UGx and ramp hard

Hell.

>>43808016
>on UW
Go with Isperia, the Inscrutable. Fun as fuck toolbox general that also rewards voltron with equipment.

>on RW
If you build right it'll be fast. You have to include artifact ramp, and all the looting effects you can think of. Cycling is also a really underrated mechanic in EDH. Akroma's Vengeance, Slice and Dice, Decree of Justice, etc, etc. All of these are wonderful cards that replace themselves if you don't need them. Use the cycling lands too.

If you include looting, cycling, wheels, and artifact ramp, in addition to all the standard card draw stuff, you can have a blistering fast RW edh deck.

>>43805793

Haven't gotten to use it yet, but it seems pretty damn cool.

>>43808421
>leagues with anything but points for first place.

Toxic anti-fun cancer desu.

>>43808421
>muh bullying
Bring the apocalypse and drink their tears. People who live in bubbles deserve nothing less.

>>43808421
Playing in a league makes it into an entirely different game, especially if they have an arbitrary points system like that. It encourages durdling and the often large games are exactly what you'd expect.

It's honestly not worth it unless you are that desperate. Even then, just play online. At least then you'll actually be playing Magic instead of Durdle Politics Simulator: Hugbox Edition.

>>43808421
Offset the points from MLD by winning and drinking tears

>>43808421
Doesn't matter if you lose for mld, no one else can get any points if you kill them all

>>43808421
Let me guess, you also get points for reaching 10 lands as the first on the table?

>>43807445
Fucking wish it wasn't banned

>>43805634
Whos the better aura commander, Bruna, Light of Alabaster or Hakim, Loreweaver?

Zur.

>>43806381
Tinker is banned

>>43806381
You must be autistic.

>>43808362

Your meta has been hurt one too many times. If you play Group Hug wrong (read: aggressively) yu spoil their trust in Group Hugs forever.

Not saying you did it (though you may have).

>>43808421
I've asked this question to similar people. What if my wincon is animating your lands and killing them with Massacre Wurm? As in, you're dead before you would be able to use the lands again anyway.

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>>43807279
>not mindmoil

>>43809145
Considering I'm playing a mono-red "grouphug" deck (which is mostly just stirring shit up between the other players with me sitting on the sidelines) and I normally play classic Phelddagriph, I don't really think it's much of my fault if they have any sort of mistrust.

I mean, yeah, Possibility Storm and Scrambleverse can fuck you up bad, but it's not like I have any say in who wins and who loses.

>>43809226
>plays group hug
>loses
>complains about it on /tg/

What do you want. Group hug is stupid. Magic isn't a group hug game. Go play an rpg and be a healer.

>>43809226
>I ruin games with scrambleverse and possibility storm, instead of just winning
>why do they hate me /tg/?

>>43807420

>you
>crying this much

Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?

>>43807444

Despite my previous whining the mono black vamp ramp deck is pretty solid and well built, he just stopped the fun just as everyone was getting crazy. He could have at least let me live so I could make him draw 65 cards next turn...

It's not a toxic environment though. Just fun! So much fun! Too much fun!

>>43809372
>he just stopped the fun
>implying there was fun.

This is the fundamental disconnect you have. Nobody but a very small minority of players has fun with a group hug deck ruining the game.

>>43809345

Pretty much this. Scrambleverse is not a group hug deck that is anxiety and tedium

However...

>>43809284

This guy is a cunt. Do you see the anger that group hug creates in those who have been hurt by Group Hug before?

>>43807209
've been looking at running this guy, but I'm concerned about decking myself with cards like Alhammaret's Archive. Anyone know good cards for putting your hand back into your deck?

>>43809284
>>43809345

I'm not complaining about losing, nor am I complaining about losing because I played grouphug. I'm complaining because the others fully knew what I was running, even what's in the deck, and were fine with me playing it and then lost their shit and started focusing me to death ASAP.
If they don'T want to play against stuff like that, they should just open their bloody mouths and say so beforehand, not waste eachothers time by letting me join in with it, play for 10 minutes, kill me in 2 turns and complain that I'm an asshole for playing that deck.

>>43809412

I guess they're all in my Meta then because everyone loves my Group Hug deck.

Again, your opinion doesn't matter considering my Meta is clearly different from yours. You can say no one has fun in Group Hug decks till the Phelddagrifs come home but I'm saying my Meta has fun with it. So I suppose you can go back to your MLG Spike decks.

I will be here spreading peace and love!

>>43809439
Just run that scientist fellow that makes you win if you deck yourself.

>>43809209
Why not both?
For maximum turn duration.

>>43808458
>not using dogtags

>>43809506
Eh, I only like to win with creatures and burn.

>>43809439

Time Reversal? Why not just use a card search engine to look for "shuffle Hand into library". Why waste the effort of the /tg/ Hive Mind on these questions...

>>43809587
It's never wrong to run a single alternate (but almost surefire) wincon in any deck that can support them.

>>43809593
/tg/ isn't a hivemind, faggot.

>>43809618

I'm not a faggot, Storm Crow.

>>43809636
No, pretty sure you are.

>>43808016
Holy shit thats a shit alter.

>>43809657

Only for Bowie.

>>43809671
Fitting for such a shit general.

Can somebody please explain to me what makes Oloro a good general? I just can't accept it as value...

>>43809597
win when you deck yourself wizard could be a dragon though.

For me the worst games are the ones that just abruptly end like that. "Oh look I decked myself gg guys". Thats usually right when shit is getting interesting. Personal preference and shit

>>43809779
You never have to cast him and he's in esper colors. That's it

>>43809779
2 life a turn is pretty nice. Fun stuff colors.

>>43806208
What commanders do you see and think, "This guy is cool"?

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>>43805923
My FAVORITE version of the insane tutor with crazy risk

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>>43809824

>>43809779
Build a list and try it for yourself?

Life is a resource. Jam all those nice suicide black cards and go to town.

>>43809824
Ashling "everything burns" edition

>>43809824
Lovisa Coldeyes

>>43809779
He isn't. He's very inactive. Have you tried Shu Yun instead? He's got 2/3 colors, and the red makes him way more active.

>>43809979
The shu yun groupies are getting annoying now.

>>43809979
Why can Shu Yun EDH have red and white? I thought it had to be part of the casting cost to be playable.

Is Daretti any good?

>>43809779
has value for just being in the commander zone

Esper colors, and cheap semi-repeatable card draw

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>>43810070

>>43810062
Color identity includes ALL mana symbols in the card, mana costs and rules excluding reminder text (extort)

>>43810100
What? I've played the deck but it doesn't seem great

>>43810062
Shu FUN gets red and white because color identity is the sum of every colored mana symbol on the card, including rules text, but excluding reminder text.

Since Shu FUN has two R/W symbols in its rules text, and one U symbol in its cost, the total color identity is RWU.

>>43809804
Pretty sure it won't be abrupt if you have been drawing like a madman all game.
I like to run at least one insta-win, just in case.

But, as you said, preference and shit.

>>43810136
The pre con is ok, but Daretti can do some pretty busted shit with a few changes.

>>43808703
Hold up
Really?
Well time to take this apart then, shit format confirmed

>>43809917
My nigger

>>43810652
Bye, no one will miss you.

>>43806208
Hanna

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This is my decks current game plan (at least one of them)
Any tips for other creatures to throw in that work well with resonator?

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Yo guys, made my first EDH deck, it's pretty confused at the moment. I've put a few cards that I love in there but they don't really suit. And it's hard to let go of the blue control spells. Plus I've been running a budget, can't afford the good cards like Nemesis of Reason, Glimpse the Unthinkable etc

Also looking for tips on how to use Jace, Memory Adept

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ub-millville/

>>43811651

Can Phage just be a magic - themed shorthand for "kill yourself"?

Cuz then I'd suggest Phage.

>>43811711
What? You don't like my bullshit combo?
Also, I already have a SUNDIAL, so phage won't work :^)

>>43811673

>how to use Jace

Either use his 0 till someone kills him (while not targeting you) or protect him with creatures till you can use his ultimate.

>>43811746
Well I read that some people mill themselves with him, but I guess I'm not running anything graveyard control really so it was a dumb question.

>>43811673

I know you say you can't afford a Nemesis but they are so fucking crazy good both with and without Erebos for a mill EDH. Also, assuming it might come up in your meta you should have a way to prevent or deal with shuffle effects like Eldrazi or Immortality Drank.

You should have more Walls anyways to keep you alive, blue and black have good walls, maybe some more defensive enchantments to pillow fort to victory.

As for other card suggestions, cheap counters like Memory Lapse. Also Memory Erosion is effective IN EDH for milling and won't break your bank. Also Riddle Keeper.

Last suggestion is an alternate win con for late game in the form of some azorius card that I can't remember. It shuffles your graveyard into your library than mills an opponent by the size of your graveyard pre-shuffle.

Also ignore people who tell you milling in EDH is not cool or cheap or "uninteractive". They're salty that you're throwing their deck away with your superior mind eating abilities.

Also Raven's Crime and Raven Guild Master (he's like a budget Nemesis). I just gave your deck a real quick once over so sorry if you already have these cards.

>>43811873
No thankyou this was extremely helpful. I was thinking of going more toughness heavy to utilize Phenax's ability, probably moreso defenders.
Thankyou for your input

>>43811673
>>43811873

More to the point, mill has a ton of great cards at their disposal that are only really viable for edh. Especially budget cards. You can mostly have Phenax and a shit ton of high defense walls and hold a hand of counters and disruptions then just sit there for the turn being menacing while not really doing much. Hell, in EDH Mill a Curse of Bloody Tomes becomes potentially valuable.

Also consider dropping extra change on a Mesmeric Orb if you use this strategy. Mostly for that one Azorius Sorcery I mentioned. It mills everyone equally including yurself, which feeds AS for a crushing final blow for late game. Also, Laboratory Maniac why not.

>>43811985

Np, also fucking Consuming Aberration and Liliana/Jace's Spectre. And Wight of Precinct 13. The point is, Phenax makes them all super scary.

Also only run Mirka Vosk if you have a reliable way to make him unblock able (not too hard in Blue )

>>43806504
I can play with every stratagy in the game in mind, but sometimes they will beat you anyway. The thing with MLD is that it doesn't just beat you, when it works it makes it makes the game drag on.

>>43806525
This is wrong, unless you are particularly cutthroat, its always good to keep your playgroup in mind. In any case, that's not the point I was trying to make, just that you should keep in mind how you are effecting people at the time of casting, if there is a better way to stop UGx at the time, etc, etc, etc.

>>43807094
UGx will also have the best dorks, the best ramp spells, the best card draw, and a fair amount of countermagic to fuck people up with. Sure if they over extend too hard they might get fucked as much as everyone else, but in most cases they will be able to recover fastest, whereas non UG decks will have the hardest time.

>>43812232
>mana dorks
This is why you kill the dork. Resource denial is a total strategy.

>card draw
Largely irrelevant. Most UG/x decks that people complain about run things like consecrated sphinx or recurring insight for their card draw. I'm not worried about brainstorm in this situation because cheap effective draw is the sign of a competitive meta, where ramp will be less effective anyways.

>counter magic
If it does get countered, then its not hurting anyone.

UG/xIDF pls go.

>Playing Rhys the Redeemed
>By turn 5 I've drawn half my library, have 40 creatures, including Avacyn

Went alright I guess. I suppose that's why you don't let someone in an already good position crack Defense of the Heart with Parallel Lives down. Avenger of Zendikar gives me tons of guys, double them with Rhys, then Regal Force hits the field.

>>43812850
>Regal Force
Now that's a card that should get reprinted in a precon.

>>43808421
I play in a similar environment. I play GAA4 Stax.
There's no points loss for winter orb/stasis lock.
Look for the loopholes anon. You can bring the pain. I believe in you.

Why is Phage so fun to play?
People don't even get pissy when losing to her because the "lol you totally dodged that loss, gj dude" thing still applies, even with all the options available.

>>43804289
save it and go on a fucking vacation

>>43813713
Make her your commander, use SUNDIAL of the infinite.

>>43813871
I know. That's what I was saying. And playing.

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I don't like other people having fun, so I built this:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv-stax-2/

WiP. r8, h8 & apprec8.

>>43804631
Fags that get that butthurt about mld are the worst scrubs
Its called a fucking counterspell
also ramp is for retards
good players cheat out high cost stuff

>>43813713
>>43813871
Besides sundial and plat angel, what other tricks do you have for her?

>>43814255
Torpor Orb and Command Beacon also work.

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>>43805923
Consultation is only good with Maniac
There are like 10 better tutors

>>43806150
>Not running stripmine and ghost quarter in everything
I can forgive your lack of wasteland as its like $70, but you are asking to lose

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>Playing TwoHeaded Commander
>Opponents got two annoying things on the field, I got Volcanic Offering in hand
>Quickly realize I can't really cast it because they'd fuck up my companion Edric
>We discuss and decide to use it anyway
>He gets mad after the game's over because we lost and he blames me

Why do people get mad at card games

>>43806208
Narset. It's the favorite commander of the kind of peopple who Wrath, Vandalblast and Armaggedon without having a woncon.

>>43814308
It depends on how fast your combo deck is. If you can routinely get into situations where you only need one card to win, and you've got more than 75 cards in your library, that's a gamble worth taking every time.

>>43806397
I play Drana, and usually win with commnader damage, sometimes in one hit.

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>>43810817
TFW my group plays with almost all the banned cards because were not bitches

>>43814430
Complaining about Armaggedon without a wincon, I get, but Vandalblast and Wrath?

If I have Ephara out and play Heliod, will it trigger Ephara's ability even if my devotion to white isn't 5?

>>43808421
That shit is arbitrary as fuck, the only point system I like is the one they use at GP side events.
>12 tickets for killing a player
>12 tickets for surviving
>You get your tickets if you kill yourself
>Drawing when there's no cards in your library, refusing to pay a Pact, dealing lethal damage to yourself, etc. counts as killing yourself. But you can't pay your last life as a cost for an ability.

It generates a very political and rattlesnake-like enviroment where telegraphing your combos gets you fucked up and you have to pay attention both to wether your opponents can kill you, or kill themselves if you wanna hit the prize wall with the big booty.

>>43809824
Mimeoplasm.
Makes me think "This guy doesn't want to win, he just wants to assrape the assholest player at the table like a vengeful ghost".
Also Karador. "This guy knows he's the target and he doesn't care, stone cold motherfucker".

>>43814636
>killing a player

How do you determine who kills the player? If I play tainted pact on another player's 9/x that's unblocked, and it goes through to hit a player with 40 life, do I get the packs or does the controller of the 9/x?

>>43814477
They do all the same turn and lol at "resetting the table".
Somehow they miss they had to play Boros Charm beforehand. Something even motherfucking Zurgo retards know to do.

>>43814738
The controller of the spell or permanent that caused the player to lose the game.
Your pact caused the creature to be able to kill the player, but the creature killed the player so the player gets the prize.

I usually play Obzedat (Teysa undercover, now Daxos), Olivia or Prossh for tutor-able, damage-based infinite combos.

>>43814738
not this shit again

>>43814850
Your statement contradicts itself.

The creature dealt the damage, sure, but it was not able to kill without the boost from the spell. The buff spell is what caused the player to die even if the creature was the delivery mechanism.

Anyone have a chance to play with Wretched Confluence yet? It looks pretty saucy.

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>Use to successfully play Grimgrin
>Player starts using Anafenza/graveyard hate deck
>I can't figure out a way to keep using grimgrin
>would change out commander but most other dimir commanders don't work around zombies like grimgrin does.
>would make it into a mill deck like most dimir decks but I'd have to change out a lot.
>I want to stick with zombie tribal as much as possible

Is there any way to get around Anafenza with a dimir zombie deck? Is there also a faster way to get zombie tokens out?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grimgrin-zombies-and-shit/

>>43815165
If I still played EDH, I would be slamming that into my Toshiro Umezawa deck.

Alas, I mostly shitpost in /edhg/

>>43815397
>oona
>conspiracy
>altered reality.

>>43815417
>oona
Trying to stick with zombies, but I may reconsider.

Not really sure what conspiracy and altered reality do together. Could you explain it for me? I'm a little lost.

>>43815508
My bad, I meant Artificial Evolution.

Both Artificial Evolution and Conspiracy make Oona produce zombies.

>>43815508
I guess what I'm really wondering about is how Alter Reality works with what you're saying. I see now how Conspiracy and Oona work together

>>43814417
>why do people get mad at vidya
>why do people get mad at sports
>why do people get mad at checkers

Can happen in anything competitive, anon. Some people have trouble not getting emotionally invested in a game when it's win or lose and end up with bruised egos.

>>43815405
Seems like an auto include in Toshiro, but I'm debating its inclusion in Chainer. I already run Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving, so an instant speed version of those that can also remove key creatures or even raise dead in a pinch seems like pure gravy. I'm just not sure if I should drop card draw or something else for it.

>>43815544
Ah, that makes more sense! Thanks! Any idea how to deal with someone who uses Anafenza out the wazoo?

>>43804812
or you could just get the land with sun titan

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Looking to make a jund land/artifact/enchantment destruction deck with sac effects for french with shattergangbang brothers at the helm, salty enough for duels or needs more salt?

>>43805634
zur the enchanter

>>43815603
Spot removal/wipes/counterspells. You're in UB after all.

>>43809824
jalira master polymorphist. my buddy plays her with a budget deck he put together and it is nothing but fun to play against.

>>43815603
Declaration of Naught.

>>43814890
The damage is dealt by the creature, the creature's controller wins the tickets.
You contribution is appreciated.

Just like in real life.

>>43815397
Why don't you run removal? For fuck's sake, just kill/counter the bitch.

More fringe Mizzix related questions:

Let's say I have like 4 exp counters and Mizzix in play, and I want to cast a Dig Through Time
With Mizzix's ability, it will now cost 2UU
Am I allowed to delve away more than 2 cards from my graveyard if I want to get rid of some lands so that when I eventually Time Spiral or whatever I'm not shuffling lands I don't want back into my deck?

In other words, even though I only have to delve 2 to get rid of all the colorless mana I have to pay, do I have the option to delve 6?

>>43805905
Why do I read the "whichever comes first" as passive aggressive?

>>43816027
I don't know.

>>43815965
>delve
No. Delve isn't a cost reduction anymore, it's an alternate cost payment. You determine total cost first, applying Mizzix's discount. Then you can delve to pay that cost. Since the total cost only includes 2 generic mana in your scenario, you can only delve 2.

>>43815965
You could do that before. Not anymore, since they changed the rules for Khans.

>>43816059
Oops, minor correction, my bad.

Delve isn't an alternate cost either. It's a static ability that functions like an alternate cost in most respects, but isn't one. This means you can use delve with other alternate costs.

I really think I'm playing wrong. I'm relatively new to EDH and I'm playing ezuri and animar as my two decks and I really don't win that much. I don't see why you guys think blue green is so crazy. I guess I often become the target of shit, though.

>>43816131
You get targeted that much because everyone assumes you're playing broken shit.
U/G has fuckload of busted spells from blue and tons of control overall while also having easy access to greens ramp and shit like Tooth and Nail.
If you can't pull out any wins at all, you are definitely playing it wrong.

>>43816191
I mean I win occasionally, but not super often. This is animar: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/animarsity-2/

and this is ezuri: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/animarsity-2/

My ezuri deck is much better than animar I think.

I honestly just love big creatures.

>>43816191
Shit this is my ezuri: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolution-now/

Are Mimeoplasm or Wrexial fun?
I want to make a new deck with black in it, but I can't decide on my commander.

>>43816259
I don't run Animar myself, so I can't exactly tell you a lot of the staples (only regularly have to deal with Animar stuff and that'S always a pain in the ass), but that Ezuri is running way too many Auras, if you ask me. Get stuff like Ascetisism, Doubling Season/Parallel Lives, more quick and easy token flooding overall and Craterhoof and/or Ibex. Thrinax is also great as a secondary Biomancer and Deadeye Navigator is pretty busted all around and combos with a shitload of stuff.

For reference, this is what I'm running: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/somethings-fishy-about-this-list/
It's nowhere near perfect and still needs some fine-tuning to get where I want it to be, but it can usually put up a good fight and has around a 30% win ratio in a 4-player environment, which is alright in my eyes.

Keep in mind that going for the sea monster theme is just for my personal tastes and probably hurts the deck more than it does it good, but I want to run my fish waifu and keep her in good company.

>>43816345
Wrexial can be hilarious. Was playing around with a Wrexial group-mill build and it worked pretty good. It's very dependent on what your opponent plays, but nonetheless results in retarded free spells more often than not.

>>43816439
Mind sharing your Wrexial list if you have it handy?

>>43816240
Why isn't your Animar list made of Animar, 36 lands, Cloudstone Curio, Genesis Wave and 61 creatures?
That's what you're doing wrong.

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>>43816481
Don't have it on TappedOut, only in XMage, so this'll have to do for now.

It's really fucking straightforward "mill like a madman and then voltron Wrexial", but it gets the job done if XMage actually works and does the effect correctly.

>>43816526
Just not running enough creatures?

>>43816629
Animar is honestly a storm deck disguised as an aggro 'go wide' deck. You want infinite creatures, specially creatures that replace themselves and give you more cards so you can keep doing it.
Morphs and huge eldrazi too.

On the topic of Ezuri:
I want to do an on-theme infect deck using mostly artifacts with him as a secondary fun build. Has anyone found a reasonably successful version of the infect variant yet? I know there were quite a few anons working on that.

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Making a Mayael the Anima deck tonight. Suggestions? I'm seeing big friends with nice protections being the theme. Christmas colours are weird.

>>43816667
Okay, I don't have the cards mentioned and just like what temur ascendancy and hammer of purphuros provide me, but I think I can knock quite a few creatures off. Is it stupid to use Stormtide Leviathan? I love that guy but don't have a ton of fliers. I suppose I have aspect of imagination too, but that's a stretch of a combo.

And sorceries like urban evolution and shaman revelations has done me work.

Does anyone play with a person who, you believe, has a deck that's worth more than that person as a whole?

We have one who is insufferable. If a building was burning down and I could choose to save him or the decks, it would be better for the country if I saved the decks.

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Who is your current, favorite [s]waifu[/s]commander to play with?

>>43816747
If you're on a budget, just make an "expensive" list and slowly build towards that and have a budget version that's your currently played one.

>>43816891
Aurelia. I like my big fat angelical tats.

>>43816891
Diaochan, cause her milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

>>43816720
Try rafiq, UG for infect/counters and W for protections/removal plua exalted and double strike is mucho gusto on infect

How does /tg/ feel about tutors for cards that aren't basic lands? Do games not feel too samey when you go get your same couple bombs/particularly-good cards over and over again?

>>43816972
Ah, sorry, that was poorly worded. I ment infect Newzui, hence the on-theme, Phyrexia and all that shizz.

>>43817048
I play MBC and I frequently tutor interactive cards. Sure, sometimes I go balls to the wall and get Coffers or Necro but often I find Damnation, spot removal, discard etc. Basically I try to hold onto tutors to either prevent someone else from winning or to try winning myself.

>>43817115
So... games DO feel samey?

What I'm trying to get at is that tutors effectively reduce the number of cards in your deck, reducing the variance. While that is 'powerful' deckbuilding, is it right for EDH?

>>43817224
Depends on the deck. If you're running powerful combo faggotry with all our favourite fun cards like Consecrated Sphinx and the fullarray of all tutors available, then go die in a hole.

On the other hand, if someone plays dumb shit like Phage that simply absolutely needs a select few cards and can't do anything else with the entire deck without them, then sure, go grab your Sun Dial and try to bring your commander out.

>>43817224
Games don't feel samey because I don't tutor for the same targets each game. I also have varied win conditions so I'll try to go for the win that best fits the board state. Yes, it reduces variance, but if you're trying to invoke the spirit of EDH I'll tutor for a giant get fucked.

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>>43816891

>>43817284
I usually prefer bigger, more bountiful wings but I still love her.

Just getting into edh actually, wanted to buy that new golgari deck. Is it worth it?

>>43817224
>While that is 'powerful' deckbuilding, is it right for EDH?
Tutors are a responsability.
You may be used to edgelord GU players tutoring for their combo pieces every game, but in mono-black you usually tutor answers to other people's faggotry, which allows the game to continue instead of devolving into someone having too much fun and everyone else being fucked over by luck.

>>43817284
Man, the more I look at her art, the more Leagues of Legends like she looks like.

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>blue mage brainstorms EOT before his turn
>miracles devastation tide, passes turn
>casts desertion on someones wurmcoil engine
>casts counterlash on another player's commander dropping grave titan out of his hand
>spelljacks someone's soul's majesty next turn then fills his hand back up
>morphs a kheru spellsnatcher and counters my wrath of god the turn after
>the game quickly turns into archenemy and we still struggle to kill him because of recurring cyclonic rifts

i hate blue. it's always the blue player's fault when the game goes to shit

>>43817743
Blue can do that.

>>43817743
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>>43817743
>the dumb ass gruul mage ramps up and goes for a turn 5 boundless realms while the blue mage is completely untapped
>expect it to get countered
>blue mage laughs and twincasts it
>next turn he drops blue primordial and casts it again, every fucking basic in his deck is in play now
>next 5 turns of the game were literally draw-go for every player because blue mage would just leave 20 mana open and sneer at us smugly
>my face for the next fucking hour

>>43817743
>Teferi is being a bitch, has 24 cards in hand.
>Rafiq tries playing his commander, gets countered.
>Tries playing JtMS, gets countered.
>Tries playing Ponder, gets countered.
>Next turn is Oloro, tries playing Exquisite Blood into his Sanguine Bond board, gets countered.
>My turn, Megrim and Furnace of Rath in play.
>Cast Pain Magnification, Teferi sneers, lets it in.
>Try to play Mogis.
>Counter
>Oloro counters
>Teferi FoWs.
>Oloro Pacts.
>I am become Cuba.
>Teferi is out of mana but Pacts.
>Rafiq Remands Mogis.
>I cast it from my hand.
>I pass turn, Teferi eats 72 damage and discards his hand.

It didn't matter that I won that game, but that Teferi lost.

>>43818180
why did teferi have to discard?

So I really want to run the new Kozilek(even though its crap its still on-theme, has a good cast trigger, and hilarious) but the colorless mana cost seems pretty restrictive. So far I have six lands in my deck that can possibly produce colorless mana:
>Graven Cairns
>Sulfurous Springs
>Nykthos
>Cavern of Souls
>Tainted Peak
>Sanctum of Ugin
>7th land if I get a Homeward Path
I actually try not to run any colorless-only producing lands unless they're really good in the deck(i.e. Sanctum of Ugin and Eye of Ugin). What are some good lands that produce colorless and R/B that aren't Tendo Ice Bridge or produce colorless only and are really good utility?

>>43818232
wait nvm I figured it out. mogis damage on upkeep + doubler + pain magnification.

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Give me a strong and fun commander that can be built for under 150$! Pls.

>>43818301
>Ashling
>99 Mountain

>>43818246
molten slagheap has let me dump some huge surprise banefires on people. it's one of those "i'm basically out of the game and people aren't paying attention to me anymore" moves though.

I also like blighted fen, the black one from the BFZ uncommon land cycle. edict on a land is pretty cool

>>43818325
Molten Slagheap was the first land card I ever took out of the deck when I built it two years ago. That card's utter crap. Blighted Fen is way too expensive for an effect that's done better by my creatures.

>>43818301
Brago

>>43818301
My Zada list comes in around $70, if memory serves, and is absolutely explosive against my relatively casual meta.

>>43816891

>"current"
>Implying seasonal waifus

Disgusting.

[Spoiler]Nahiri[/Spoiler]

>>43818301
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mikaeus-extreme-sub-20-budget-edh/

>>43818301
Buy Daretti, add spaghetti, never forgetti

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Is this thing worth using at all, or is it too expensive?

>>43819460
I dont think anything is too expensive for edh and stealing their big fatty and hitting them with it sounds totally awesome just never ever cast it without morph

>>43819455
But anon, mycosynth lattice is $20 on its own and you'd be a fool to run Daretti without it.

A new friend wants to learn how to play commander with us. He has very little experience but he learns very quickly so I have no doubt he could play any type of deck as long as its not super convoluted like Mishra or some shit.

What are some good newbie friendly commanders who aren't simply magic: the happening?
What was your first commander?

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>>43809824
I have a Radha Heir to Keld deck, so if I saw anyone else roll with her I immediately assume good taste and that they are a bro.

My girlfriend came home from PAX with one of each of the demo decks, and after playing a few games we went out and bought Kiora vs Elspeth. Haven't played it yet, anything I should know? She's a bit annoyed at losing most of the games so I want to give her the stronger deck, which one is better?

>>43819864
Vaevictus Asmadi
Ramp him out a few turns early and make them eat dicks for breakfast

>>43819864
While I'm not saying that my first experience was the best or most helpful, my buddy helped me build a Kaervek the Merciless deck from his spare cards. It was the first time I had ever played magic, and having Kaervek out was always a good threat assessment exercise for me, since I could use it to kill utility creatures or just burn people. The deck was pretty instant/ sorcery heavy too, which helped me puzzle out the stack. Honestly I'd say the deck your new person plays is less important than how willing they are to learn and how willing you are to teach.

>>43806208
the only right answer is Ghave

>>43814612
it will not, heliod was not a creature when it entered the battlefield.

Just got the new Meren precon. What's some card that need to be taken out immediately and replaced?

The cards I have and that I'm putting in are:
Sacra
Dictate of Erebos
Fauna Shaka
Sheoldred
Evolutionary Leap

I have more but these are want in first.

>>43811673
>can't afford nemesis
>about to call this poor fag out for not buying bulk Rares
>check nemesis price
> $6

What the fuck? Why does this card not cost 50 cents? Is it because it's never been reprinted like Glimpse?

>>43814723
What. Mimeoplasm is a perfect example of a try-hard win deck. I've no idea what you think you're seeing.

>>43806229
>Grand Arbiter
>Hokori
>>43806239
>Prossh
>>43806255
>Oloro
>Iona
>>43806283
>Narset
>Jhoira
>>43806286
>Brago
>Riku
>>43806356
>Talrand
>>43806578
>Almost all of this janky shit
>>43807329
>Mayael
>Kaalia
>>43811585
>Hanna
>>43814430
>Narset
>>43820159
>Ghave

Everything I just listed are decks that are just not that impressive. Anyone more upset over these decks than any others are truly clueless when it comes to what is oppressive in multiplayer EDH.

>>43817048
When I run tutors they are almost exclusively used to grab spot removal and answers to board tough board states

>>43817284
God, that art looks deviantart tier when zoomed in

>>43820557

Little help please.

>>43817048
The only deck where I tutor the same card more than 50% of the time is Zurgo where I most often fetch Assault Suit because I find it so satisfying. Other than that, even when I'm tutoring for ways to win there are different things to tutor for in any given situation. People who always find the same thing to win with are literally bad.

>>43818301
Shu FUN for sure.

>>43819864
Just give him a remotely decent goodstuff commander in any colors that he likes, he's going to figure out the rest from there.

>>43820557
>Sacra
>Fauna Shaka

>>43820557
Go and look at competitive Karador lists. Make that minus the white.

>>43820657
Please do list a few examples yourself.
>inb4 Merfolk Empress

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>>43816891

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>>43816891
Vedalken dominatrix.

>>43821470
There's only really three decks worth complaining about.

Firstly the Hermit Druid deck, the single most egregious deck in the format. Now most people haven't even seen this deck, let alone played against it, so that's understandable, but there's still no deck worse than it under any circumstance.

Quite a bit less problematic are the next two decks, but which are still leaps and bounds more problematic than any of the other decks by a vast margin; Derevi and Maelstrom.

Or another way to put it:

Hermit Druid>------Derevi/Maelstrom>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The first other decks that come even remotely close to being as problematic as the first three, like Narset, Prossh and Animar>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The rest of the chaff.


And this is before even taking truly garbage deck into consideration. This is only among decks that are still good.

>>43821689
>derevi/Maelstrom
aren't top tier. They're highly competitive, but not on the same level as azami, karador/boonweaver, and such.

They are both design mistakes though that never should have bee printed. I fucking hate both.

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>>43821728
>but not on the same level as azami
Pic related.

Azami isn't even tier fucking 1.

Karador wishes he was anywhere remotely as consistently broken as Derevi and Maelstrom are.

>>43821761
you really dont know fucking shit about tier 1 or competitive edh do you, you fucking retard

>>43821728
I might have agreed with you if the tucking rules were still in effect. With the change, though, those two are pretty much the undisputed masters of EDH. There's no efficient, consistent way to stop either of their gameplan. There are lots of ways to stop pretty much any other gameplan from any other deck.

>>43821523
Never seen the full art before. Hell, never even noticed it was female before. Dat cleavage God damn.

>>43821782
>says the guy claiming Azami is tier 1

Azami is a fucking joke in the big leagues, buddy. The deck is a one-trick pony that is completely and perfectly predictable. Any table will disrupt her to kingdom come should the need arise.

Karador is good but only as good as, say, Animar. Maelstrom is a step above both of these decks, as is Derevi.

>>43804631
You need to play with better players if the el D beats them.

Even if they are playing UG ramp bullshit. They need to stop playing shitty cards like Cultivate and Kodama's Reach and shit.

>>43805584
Literally the only one of those cards that is certainly a problem is Derevi.

Prossh is Arguable.

>>43821816
Prossh is overrated. Yeah, he's tier 1, but still not as good as several other decks. He's fairly easy to disrupt and requires more setup than most.

>>43821786
>>43821761

Maelstrom you simply go faster than.

Derevi, you have to make go slower with removal. Sure the bitch owl will always come back, but using your removal to disrupt gameplans is what its for.

In the realm of Everyone Is Trying To Combo Out on Turn 3 Vintage Singleton, neither general has much to offer.

Next you'll be telling me Oloro is good.

>>43820657
>Derevi, Narset, Sharuum, and Brago
>not broken

Are you fucking daft?

>>43810070
Far and away the best monored general

>>43812304
Sphinx and Insight ARE competitive card draw cards. Even when there is Mass LD around.

So is brainstorm, but saying that the 3 aren't seen in the same decks/metas is wrong.

>>43821850
No, don't worry, Oloro is garbage and almost any other Esper commander is better.

And it doesn't matter how faster you're going against Maelstrom, he's going to come down and he's going to barrel down into your face at a thousand miles an hour, and brings shitloads of value with him while doing so.

This is whenever the deck doesn't just set itself up with a Jokulhaups on top or with a Food Chain on board to keep going essentially forever.

Maelstrom is literally the EDH version of Mr Bone's Wild Ride, because it just doesn't fucking end.

>>43821851
Point to where I specifically said Derevi, because if you'd have caught up at all, Derevi is one of three decks I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about.

As for
>Narset
Overrated. Maelstrom is just better in every way.
>Sharuum
Obviously good, but not as good as the top three.
>Brago
Not even tier 1. And I say this while playing the deck myself in a pretty much as optimized form as it comes. The deck is fun, which is why I play it, but it's not *THAT* good. It's really easy to disrupt.