Song of Swords: Poland has not yet fallen

Kickstarter it start the Kickstarter when?

>>43796119
Sometime between Wednesday and Jimmy's eventual death in a firefight after a bout of drunken sodomy.

>>43795527
>Easten was actually left-handed all along!
Has there ever been an advantage to being a southpaw outside of sports?

>>43795527
>Laser Whales
>All of the good guns are German
>Everything is Metric
>There are no Slavs

G-guys? I thought we were slavophiles...

>>43797574
Jimmy is a man of very complex tastes.

>>43795527
Wszystko dla Ojczyzny!

>>43796198
None that being a freakish mutant doesn't counteract and make worthless.

>>43797574
Void is Opposite Land Vosca. It makes perfect sense. Two sides of the same coin, male and female.

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>>43800789
MALE
AND
FEMALE

I'm making a Laser Whales character who's a private detective. It's that time period after all, what's a good gun for a P.I. with the full trenchcoat & fedora getup? The Liberator seems like a classic for an ex-military guy, but the Mustang is the same concealability and can rip a man in half.

>>43802227
Keep a Mustang in an armpit holster, and something tiny like a Jenner on your leg or beneath your waistband.
Also, remember Dirty Harry, and always keep a knife in reach.

>>43800789
So Void's Gizka will be an effeminate German man?

>>43803244
A tall, effeminate Chiron man with blonde hair and black eyes. Adopted from a violent childhood into a life of luxury, Siegfried von Gizka drifted through academia, and eventually became a surgeon, more as a test of his fine motor skills than anything else.

In his free time he writes western novels about a Rahoo cowgirl with a magic sword. Friend of the native, enemy of evil, she is feared by all as Old Shatterblade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFa1-kciCb4

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>>43803504
AS THE RIDERS RODE ON BY HER, SHE HEARD ONE CALL HER NAME
>(Sarah Gizka!)
IF YOU WANNA SAVE YOUR SOUL FROM HELL A-RIDING ON OUR RANGE
THAN COWGIRL CHANGE YOUR WAYS TODAY, OR WITH US YOU WILL RIDE
TRYING TO CATCH THE DEVIL'S HERD UPON THIS ENDLESS SKY

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Hey lads, I've been having a bit of trouble identifying a suit of armour hanging up in my school.

It looks like 16th century armour, but given our school's history I think it must be Civil War era 17th century. It looks like half-plate, almain rivet. But it's got a lance-support-hook-thing stuck on.

Any ideas?

>>43803964
Insufficient data.

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>>43804263
Well what the shit else do you want to know. I've decided it must be 16th century and that our school is built on a foundation of lies, seeing as it's got a burgonet and the aforementioned arrêt which would probably not exist on the armour after the widespread introduction of pistols. So now I basically just want to know what kind of a guy would have half-plate and burgonet with an arrêt stuck on it -- a demi-lancer?

>>43803964
Where are you?

Can we have a photograph?

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>>43804383
>Can we have a photograph?
I don't have anything to take a picture on, sorry. My phone's a nokia and my laptop's a shitty chromebook. I can't even download stuff.

It kind of looks like this, only with an arrêt on one side and gauntlets hung up with it.

>>43804422
>I don't have anything to take a picture on, sorry.
Get a friend to take a picture of it and fax it to your AOL electronic mailing address.

>>43804422
Do you know a single person with a cell-phone and an e-mail address? What about passersby?

>>43804530
No, but I could ask. It'd have to be later, though; right now we're in the middle of work.

I'm honestly quite surprised that no one's said "It's obviously X armour you mongoose" yet. Maybe it's a terribad Victorian "addition", or something.

>>43804555
>Maybe it's a terribad Victorian "addition", or something.

Could be, in part or in whole. Any historical parts may also be from a few different harnesses, more or less spread apart in time, and even if not then some bits may simply have gone missing.

>>43804555
Please do, it's kinda hard to go accurately off words alone.

>>43795527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CApiU7kvgB8

Husbando is mad, I wish I could console him

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>>43805119
And with good reason.

As a Brit it naturally pains me no end that in the vast majority of discussions regarding France and history, I've had to argue on the side of the French. Just like how I'm forced to end up arguing like a weeb because of all the dumb anti-weebs lying around.

>>43805186
Agreed

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>>43805186
Amen.

Pic: A French officer's sabre model An XI that just sold for 4000SEK. Lovely thing, a bit smaller and lighter than full sized cavalry sabre the photos had me expecting.

The Indo-Persian spear I had left a 2700SEK mail-in bid on went for 13000SEK...

>>43805186
Yeah, the only real failures you could lay at the feet would be the Franco-Prussian war which went all-around poorly for them, but every country should be allowed at least one freebie. Apart from that there might be the french military leadership in the first few months of WWI, where their inflexibility caused a bunch of unnecessary casualties and left a number of opportunities unexploited that could have shifted the balance of the war quite severely, but that's already getting into alt-history qutie a bit.

It's doubly aggravating because the main reason why this meme was revitalised was because France declined to go along with the US's "hey everybody, let's invade a random country under fabricated pretenses so we can look like we're doing something back home." tour.

>>43805284
1400 euros? Damn that's a price for a spear.

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>>43805425
All metal, decorated all over, nicely reinforced tip for the thicker hides and skulls, scabbard for the head. Still, the auction house estimate was 2500SEK, and even though they most definitely aim to guess a bit low on purpose, that one ran off considerably. Though I once saw a dagger go form, hm, I think it was something like 8000SEK estimate, 180000SEK final. It was outright ridiculous at least.

>>43805477
>Though I once saw a dagger go form, hm, I think it was something like 8000SEK estimate, 180000SEK final. It was outright ridiculous at least.

I'm pretty sure you've accidentally wandered into some Indiana Jones-story where that dagger will turn out to be the key to open some long lost emperor's tomb.

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>>43805503
All things considered, that would seem a likely explanation.

>>43805503
>I'm pretty sure you've accidentally wandered into some Indiana Jones-story where that dagger will turn out to be the key to open some long lost emperor's tomb.

And you lost your chance. You could be the main character, anon, now you're just a bit role with 1.5 seconds of screen time at the background in the corner of the screen.

>>43805555
Only if you let yourself be.

The more you fight against your narrative role, the more likely you are to be the main character. Because it's postmodern and the story is all about you trying to subvert the narrative.

>>43805641
But for that you'd have to be aware that you are inside a story, and the anon was not.

>>43805766
That's only if it *is* postmodern.

It could be a Shakespearian style tragedy, with a hero raging against his inevitable fate.

Of course, in reality there are over seven billion of us and there's only so many people you can show on screen. So even getting half a second is absurdly lucky.

>>43805786
Depends on the size of the screen and the visual acuity of the audience.

>>43805819
Well yeah, shoving a picture of the Earth onscreen's gonna catch a bunch of us, but that doesn't count given you can't actually *see* people then.

>>43805844
That and most people are gonna be under clouds or roof.

>>43805868
And on the other side of the planet.

>>43805844
That should be fixable if you use an enough dimensional screen. I mean, we are talking about the kind of audience that sets up our universe as entertainment here.

>>43805911
Oh, I was more talking as if we were all just characters in a book (or similar fictional construct), rather than playthings-of-the-gods type deals.

Unfortunately, thinking about such things ensures that if we are in a book, it's an edgy shit-tier postmodern one.

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>>43805844
Makes me wonder what kind of resolution we need for a person (outdoors, no clouds) seen from above to change the colour of a pixel exactly one step, assuming the usual 16 million colours and some sort of "average" hue to him and the ground beneath him.

>>43805990
Well, according to http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~loebinfo/loebinfo/Proportions/humanfigure.html a standing average adult is around 24x46 cm (area of 0.1104 m^2)when viewed from the top.
Let's assume the human wears all black and is standing in snow. To change the color of a pixel by 1/16mln the human would have to occupy 1/16mln of the pixel's area, which means the full area of the pixel is 1766400 m^2.
Assuming square pixels, this means image resolution of 1329.06 m
If the colors of the human and the ground are closer to each other, the resolution will have to be higher.

Hey Jimmy! Guess who just got off the boat before your kickstarter launched!

>>43807842
Oi mate, how was navy?

>>43807886
That's not what I meant!

>>43807842
Oh it's not BoB is it?

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>>43807995
GOD DAMMIT DO I HAVE TO SPELL OUT EVERYTHING FOR YOU PEOPLE

>>43808157
Hasn't Guts been off the boat for a while now?

I assumed you were talking about something recent.

>>43808460
Nah, this is recent. There's a sticky on /a/ and everything.

>>43808810
So, how long until the Kickstarter overtakes HL3 and final chapter of One Piece as a benchmark?

>>43810421
We'd need to shill the game hard enough for people to know it exists for that to happen.

Is it Procrastinating Balmy Conundrum Tuesday yet?

>>43813171
Apparently not.
Now post polearms.

>>43814693
Do you want realistic ones, fantastic ones, or penises?

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>>43816315
Yes

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>>43813171
Now that it's officially no longer Tuesday!

SEARING ENIGMA TUESDAY
Around Lost Izagone there is an ocean called the Sea of Ghosts, where the water is thin, and vessels seem to rest more deeply than in other waters. Only the best swimmers can even stay afloat in the Sea of Ghosts--the rest sink like stones.

What is notable about the Sea of Ghosts is that it is transparent. All water is transparent of course, but in this strange and frightening sea, one can look down on a clear day and see the bottom, hundreds of fathoms below. One can also see the great and terrible creatures that prowl the bottom of the cursed sea, the dim outlines of leviathans that most be thousands of feet long.

Sometimes they look back. And sometimes there are other shapes visible, like sunken ships, or even great structures in the deep.

As one ventures deeper into the Sea of Ghosts, the chances of an attack by sea monsters rises exponentially, so few have dared to venture far. Zells avoid the Sea of Ghosts entirely--for it is the one place where their Friends in Deep Places hold no sway.

>>43819774
What a rip off, you've done Sea of Ghosts before.

>>43819830
I think I remember this as well. I demand my money ba- oh right.

>>43819774
Now that it's Wednesday, kickstarter when?

>>43820288
Check back in several years.

>>43821469
I don't want to check back in a few years only to learn that the purported Australian editor was in fact an illiterate poisonous spider-koala and thus the editing work was outsourced to New Guinea. The editor's spider-koalaness has to be checked much sooner.

>>43821551
Poisonous spider koala sounds like a wicked mammal. Or spider.

>>43803116
>using a Jenner
I wouldn't trust it to hunt vermin, much less protect me from a hooligan.

>>43822963
Unless the hooligan is capable of distinguishing a Jenner from other types of gun on sight, you could at least use it to intimidate.

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>>43822963
I dunno, I've always had good success with mine.

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>>43822963
>>43822978
The point of a Jenner is not to intimidate, it's to surprise. When there's some space nazi femme fatale about to torture you and she asks "is that a gun in your pants or are you happy to see me?", you'll always have the right answer to that.

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>>43804579
>>43804753
Alright, here's the pic.

Totally unrelated but worrying; my little brother's reaction to me telling him about the literal fall of the Orredin was "that's what you get for nuking the not!Jews, high elves; we will rise again!".

>>43819463
>ratko abuslav.jpg

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>>43825618
Maybe it's just the angle, but that lance rest looks really oddly placed. Overall style looks like late 16th century munitions armour to me. Maybe a middle line harness depending on the arms, they look decidedly shoddy as it is (possibly just shoudler guards with the bits falling apart), but it's not like we get a good look at them.

Was it common for monastic or chivalric orders to accept women, or men of common birth? How about criminals, were they accepted?

>>43825776
>you will never be a cavalryman in three-quarter plate shooting snaphaunce pistols at turks and protestants

What books/articles/media would you suggest on Middle Eastern arms and armor, KM? And maybe some stuff on three-quarter plate.

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>>43825776
That's about what I thought, with the lance rest being the thing to really stump me. With it being oddly placed, do you reckon it might be a random Victorian improvement or something?

Here's another pic, unfortunately of even worse quality (but at a different angle).

The gauntlets are totally disconnected from the rest of the suit.

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>>43825827
Well, there's Arms and Armor from Iran, which, well, exists, and doesn't seem awful. A big gap from the Islamic invasion and until the shamshir has been fully developed for some reason though, and not much armour that I can recall.

Then there's that book I can't remember the name of that's recommended over at vikingsword.com/vb/ at times, though it seems rather old. Haven't read it yet, one of those expensive out of print deals IIRC, and may have been somewhat mroe general about Islamic arts&crafts. Oh well, poking around over there will probably produce it.

And... yeah. It's a subject that could do with some more coverage I think. While perhaps not quite as bad as a lot of the "Ethnographic" bit where it often seems Stone's "A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor: in All Countries and in All Times" is still the go to book, despite being from 1934 and of a scope which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence when it comes to the details even if nothing new has been dug up since.

Should anyone else have any recommendations, well, it'll soon be time to buy myself a Christmas present or two...

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Oh, and the three quarters armour... nothing specific, no. For plate armour styles in general I tend to grab Oakeshott's "European Weapons and Armour", and a three quarters harness will probably tend to be your normal full one minus greaves and sabatons after all. He gets very cursory towards the late 16th and onwards though, his heart obviously isn't in the stuff past the early 16th.

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>>43825896
Could be a later bolt-on, yeah, either because someone thought it should have it, or if they intended to try some jousting, or Ares knows what reason.

And with that pic I'm feeling a lot mroe confident that there are no arms there, just shoulders like these that are falling apart. Which in turn points to munitions armour.

>>43826282
Speaking of Christmas presents, how would you recommend Oakshott? Is there a better late medieval/early modern book to get (given I'm actually only most interested in the early 16th century and before and don't care for anything past 1648 -- and this goes all the way to the Industrial Revolution)?

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>>43826351
I'm fairly certain there aren't any arms too -- it looked like there was just shoulders and gauntlets and nothing in between.

Awesome that it's munitions (I've got a thing for cheap-as-chips-but-doable equipment), but strange that it's from the century before our school was actually founded. Makes me think some much later dude found it and thought it'd look cool, which could certainly support the Victorian-Add-on hypothesis. Thanks, KM.

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>>43826790
Well, Oakeshott's "The Archaeology of Weapons" goes bronze age up to where "European Weapons and Armour" takes over.

If you're more after the "knightly era" there's Edge&Paddock, "Arms and Armor of the Medieval Knight", covering the wargear century by century. Probably a good starter book.

If you have some interest in the metallurgy, then Alan William's "The Sword and the Crucible" is a must.

Hall's "Weapons and Warfare in Renaissance Europe" is mostly about the emergence of firearms, but in order to explain how it affected tactics it looks at how battles where fought in general from around 1300 and forward until the mid-late 16th century.

>>43827073
Great, thanks for the list. By the way, what do you think about the New Cambridge Medieval Histories?

>>43826790
Records of the Medieval Sword covers upto about 1500.

This was and to a large extent remains the cornerstone on sword literature in english.

As a typology and academic work it is now a bit dated and I feel that the early stuff (10th-12thC.) suffers from some sweeping generalisations and a student of other periods covered will proabably say the same about other parts.

However it does remain an excellent catalgoue of extant swords from throughout europe to the close of the 15th century which might interest you.

>>43828780
I say academic work, though as Oakeshott himself said, he was not an academic but rather an enthusiastic amateur and collector.

His stuff is still really influential but I think they field of weapons and armour research has moved past him. As of course it should, but standing on the shoulders of giants and all that.

>>43828846
It's still a very good foundational work, and honestly I'd recommend him just for his ability to write about it. He has a sort of infectious enthusiasm about the subject.

>>43819774
>practically a repost
I don't know why I expect anything anymore.

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>>43830578
It was out there, but old lore. It felt like it ought to be a SE, so I figured I'd repost it. We'll get back into new material next week.

>>43831600
hey jammU tell me about bows in CoV
how do you stat them

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>>43831600
Prepare urself 4 the Abuslav

>>43831690
That's tricky. I'd have to do some thinking on how fast one can actually fire a bow. For now I'd probably count it as a Regular Fire, and make a bow a Single Shot weapon, probably with 30m or so range, doing damage somewhere in the 7-8 region with no AP. Maybe have drawing and nocking a new arrow be a reload action? I think that might suffice for now. Some talents and such could improve performance later.

>>43830578
>>43819830
Reminder: If you don't put it on the wiki, there's nothing to keep Jimmy from giving you the same info every week.

>>43831600
How about new material like a Kickstarter or news that you're pursuing legal action against your editing thief?

>>43831887
Maybe if Jimmy weren't such a catamite people would do so.

>>43831887
But we've always been here. It's always a repost, because we've been here so long we've all forgotten. The same lore, over and over, forever.

>>43836462
>The same lore, over and over, forever.

Sounds like that quote from '1984'.

>>43837157
For fuck's sake anon I'm already trying to avoid my English coursework, why do you have to bring that up?

This happens every damn time, I swear.

>>43834375
So what you're saying is that the main reason people aren't updating the wiki is because they're too busy buttfucking Jimmy?

...that actually makes kind of sense.

>>43838896
Sodomy is the purest form of love.

Who is Allan Karlsson of Tattered realms and/or The Void?

>>43838896
Probably the same reason the editor hasn't finished yet either.

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>>43840639
Happy Thanksgiving, lads. Sure, we may not have kickstarter, but at least we have a great little community here, and that's something worth being thankful for.

Post Turkiyes.

>>43842316
Post ottos instead

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>>43842603
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>>43842316
If Putin has his way, we'll all be eating Turkey soon hue hue hue hue

>>43843725
World War 1 when?

>>43795527
I feel ashamed when pathetic SoS faggots are using stills from Fire in the Steppe and quoting my national anthem

Fuck off with your shitty game.

>>43844002
Well somebody sure is insecure

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>>43844002
This is a nice thread; then, people like you happens, and all that we can do is say «Ale kompanię ma nicpotem!»

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>>43844002
You seem awfully upset, to deluge this thread with your complaints. Don't you know we're just Katyn with ya? You should partition the clouds once in a while, look at the bright side of things.

The toilet isn't going to clean itself, Bolesaw.

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>>43842316
Most swag hats this side of the 17th century.

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>You will never command a submarine with your pet Zell and send thousands of filthy subhumans screaming into the howling abyss

>>43845189
>subhumans
shouldnt that just be humans

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>>43845245
Not if we are the Übermenschen, dummkopf!

>>43845245
>Glorious Chirons
>Zells
>Glorious Chiron/Zell shit
>Everyone else except [redacted]
>Root Canals
>[redacted]

>>43845286
I want to meet Jürgen Prochnow and refer to him as Herr Kaleun.

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daily reminder that you will never have an orredin gf

>>43847070
Periodic reminder that you will never sodomize a roman emperor.
Or Jimmy.

>>43844002
Did I personally offend you at some point, dear Pole? You seem to hate us overmuch.

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The Poles are a bunch of mouth-breathers that gleefully sold out the Jews and bent over for both the Nazis and the Soviets, they are truly a worthless race.

Fuck 'em up the ass.

>>43848198
That isn't very nice either!
We just can't have anything nice here can we?

>>43849727
>publishes dark fantasy game
>literally has a Grit stat
>expects nice things

Though, Insanities when, Jimmers? And weren't we promised racism as a Bane too?

>>43849727
The land that they stand on would be better utilized by the Germans that were forced off off it by the commies. Not to say that the Jerries are all that great, they're just a few degrees less brain-dead than those potato eating papist fuck-sticks. I'm tired of them swarming the UK like knuckle dragging rats.

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>>43849828
I think I put that in. It might be under Prejudiced in CotV.
It's not in SoS yet. It may never be. I'm not sure that modern racist attitudes translate well to the medieval era, where the guy from the next village over might as well not be human.

>>43849855
Yes Farage, we get it. But the solution to someone disliking SoS threads is not to imply that his race would've been better off in the basement of the Lubyanka. I feel that creates undue tension.

>>43848198
>selling out the jews
thats literally a good thing you autist

>>43850726
You know, all those stats stormfags parade around proving how Jews have a giant conspiracy to control the world could just as easily be taken as proof of the superiority of the Jewish race.

We are God's chosen, after all. You had to make your own fanfiction to make yourself feel loved.

>>43845286
>Abusing the glorious Reichsmarine to further NSDAP propaganda

Go back to sleep, Dönitz.

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>Thanksgiving ruined by Jews, Poles AND Nazis
I can't even tell what's real anymore.

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>>43850908
What's thanksgiving?

>>43850908
>Thanksgiving
It's not, check your clock.

>>43850925
I think it's when the yanks mock the natives for succumbing to their bloody conquest?

>>43850925
It's the time of year when American families eat dinner at a dining table together instead of in kitchens or restaurants separately.

>>43850925
I heard there was something about a ritual sacrifice of a flightless bird?

>>43850925
عيد الشكر (بالإنجليزية) إجازة وطنية في الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية و كندا، لشكر النعم و للشكر على حصاد العام الذي أشرف على نهايته.
في الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية يحتفل بها في الخميس الرابع من شهر نوفمبر من كل عام، وفي كندا في الإثنين الثاني من شهر أكتوبر. تقام احتفالات وأعياد مشابهة في أماكن مختلفة من العالم وفي أوقات مختلفة، لعيد الشكر جذور دينية وجذور ثقافية رغم ذلك يحتفل به حاليا بطريقة علمانية.

>>43850927
It's been going on the whole day.

>>43850937
Around here we call that Cristmas.

>>43850937
Hey, that's not fair. They eat together when they watch TV.
>>43850942
Nah, I heard it was a fairly old Greek ritual, something to do with the war of independance.
>>43850948
ہم عربوں کی ضرورت نہیں ہے، ہم پاکستانیوں ہے

>>43850932
Can't have been that bloody, considering that all they really did was pick off the survivors on a post-apocalyptic continent.

>speaking other people's languages
>the "bloody conquest" meme
We're getting some downright liberal levels of tolerance here, boys.

>>43850942
Actually, the Turkey has been ritually pardoned each year by the president. It's been that way since 1989, because now that the Soviet Union is defeated, the sacrifices aren't really needed any more.

>>43851018
Rome used to close the big temple gates in peacetime for that same reason. When America begins sacrificing the turkey again, you know the next big war is coming.

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>>43850678
You're right, I'm sorry. I just seem to have so much pent up racial hatred with no acceptable way to outlet it, so I just wind up taking it out on the Polaks because noone really cares about them.

Sometimes I just wish that we could have a good old common enemy to vilify, or maybe a race war, but it's just not that simple anymore.

Happy belated thanksgiving to you Yanks.

>>43851007
Liberals aren't tolerant.

The only truly tolerant people are us socialists. All others should be purged.

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>>43851046
>I just wish that we could have a good old common enemy to vilify

Well, there happens to be a group that will be just delighted to serve in that role.

>>43851061
Unfortunately, they're not scary in a big and monolithic sense like the soviets. They're a rabid dog, not an implacable bear.

>>43851061
And yet they don't.

Instead everyone's losing their heads about a few million guys running away from them.

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>>43851046
It's ok anon. I'm sure everything will come full circle soon. Let's talk about happy things, like the transition from round-nose mauser ammunition to spritzer-type.

>>43851104
>spritzer
Squirt guns?

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>>43851128
Spitzer, spitzer.

A spitzer would be the one on the right, an older round would be the one on the left.

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>>43851104
Sure, why not.

So, towards the end of the 19th century, there were two major developments in firearms technology. The first was using smokeless powder instead of black powder. Just the "smokeless" part offered significant advantages: A formation could keep up prolonged sustained fire without obscuring their own vision, and a concealed rifleman could fire at enemies without giving away his position, both of which even further increased the advantage that an entrenched position gave you.
However, another advantage of the smokeless powder was that it burned drastically faster and more efficiently than black powder, resulting in much greater pressure and as such higher muzzle velocity, which significantly improved the effective and ballistic range of a rifle. The aerodynamic Spitzer bullet ("spitz" being german for "pointy") managed to increase range and accuracy further still. Suddenly you went from a maximum range of maybe 1 km with an advanced black powder rifle to more than twice that with a newer smokeless one, with the actual effective range inside that also increasing proportionally.

Now, you know about some of those old WW1/2 rifles that have ironsight adjustments for all the way up to and past 2 km? This is when those came about. Machine guns weren't all that common yet, the military looked at their shiny new rifles with a range of 2km, and by fuck they were gonna use that. Sure, a single man will likely never hit anything at that range, but line up a whole company or two and tell them to go to town on that field over there and you can get a respectable volume of fire going. Sure, even that is unlikely to cause many casualties, but the enemy now is forced to spread out and slowly move from cover to cover rather than waltzing about in a fast and orderly marching column, so that's an important advantage right there.

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>>43851104
>>43851244
The brits actually got into a bit of hot water because of that during the Boer war. You see, while many other countries immediately commissioned a new rifle type to make full use of the more powerful powder, the brits opted to just keep using their current rifles. Naturally, those had been designed with only the pressures of black powder in mind, so giving them a full load of smokeless powder would just blow them apart. So instead, the brits just used a very limited smokeless load that had about the same pressures as the full black powder one. Through this they still got the advantages of the "smokeless" part, though they missed out on the greater range and velocity.
Now why was the trouble? Well, the Boers actually did have a fair number of purpose-built smokeless Mauser rifles, as well as some varieties of blackpowder rifles that had been built with sufficient strength to also handle full smokeless loads without incident. In the often relatively open terrain of south africa, that meant that the brits would often find themselves helplessly pinned down by sustained rifle fire at distances where they simply couldn't return fire with anything they had.

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>>43850726

>>43851559
Fuck me I'm in lectures and this almost destroyed me.

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>>43851559
>the ongoing legacy of drydocks

>>43851250
Was I mistaken in thinking smokeless rifles were used against the Russians in the Crimean wars?

>>43850846
See you in the end Times then.
I can't wait!

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>>43852215
That appears to be the case. While there's been experimentation with various smokeless compounds beforehand, it didn't really hit off until sometime after 1870.

As a matter of fact, during the crimean war the British were still in the process of switching over to an actual rifled minie-firing musket, the pattern 1853 Enfield. There were still a fair number of smoothbore muskets to be found among all parties as well.

>>43852657
That was it, then. I knew they changed to rifles at least then, I couldn't remember whether they also used smokeless powder.

I literally have this as my history coursework, so this is pretty cool. Where would you say the main turning point with rifles was in the mid 18th century to WWI era?

>>43852435
You can't wait? I sure as fuck can. Don't get me wrong, the end times themselves don't worry me. It's what comes after that does.

I don't want to end up in God's version of Age of Sigmar.

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>>43851104
>everything will come full circle soon

>>43850908
All we need is bronies for 4chan bingo.

>>43855913
Finding out Jimbo was one wouldn't surprise me in the least at this point in time to be honest.

>>43858333
There are some talented guys who also happen to be bronies. It isn't something to be ashamed of.

>>43858435
Not until you're fucking an autistic cripple in a fursuit while xe's flagellating you with a novelty horse dildo anyways

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>>43858333
I never really got the appeal. I mean, I still watch Exosquad and Robotech from time to time, but I can't imagine liking a cartoon series so much that I'd make it a part of my core identity.

When I worked with autistic kids, something I noticed right away was this tendency to latch on to one piece of media and to try and incorporate it into every element of life, to reproduce it endlessly with slight variations, and basically to live that media. This is where you get your Chris-Chan types. I worked personally with a kid who was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too into Garfield. I'll spare you the details.

Something about the Bronies just strikes me as too similar to that. I start having flashbacks and suddenly it's like I'm at work again, and all I want to do is go home and drink myself to death.

Not saying bronies are autistic, but that super-fandom behavior in general reminds me of it.

>>43859586
Was that pepper spray? I would expect more screaming from pepper spray.

>>43859772
He just said "I don't give a shit" before they sprayed him so he couldn't react.
No, there's no way it was pepper spray.

>>43859227
Pretty sure Jimmy's into flagellation in an actual religious context, not as a fetish.

>>43859586
Check your neurotypical privilege.

>>43861001
Sure. That's what he says.

>>43861106
>not believing all of Jimmy's lies

>>43860978
Pepper spray really isn't as terrible as people think. With enough willpower you can push through it

>>43861607
Plus, that's an angry Woolie. No force on earth can keep him away from Naruto.

>>43862474
Quick, /SoS/ stat pepper spray in SoS.

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That feel when I was wrong about Call of the Void, it looks fucking cool as shit.

>>43800977
Tell me they had Brent Spiner do the voice of this guy.

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>>43863222
Trips confirm for the glory of Chiron.

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>>43864341
>being a space nazi
>not being a freeman sailing the void with all your Sahaquiel given rights

Fascists, leave.

>>43866094
Your use of the word freeman sparks a question:
Jimmy, is there any freeman-on-the-land style legal nuttery going on on Vosca or in the void?

>>43866185
The Void Sailors and their Creed of the Void sound like anarchists who hate government in general and want to bring the system down. Their chief weapon seems to be ships and cannons though, rather than AM I BEING DETAINED

>>43866185
I mean, in the Void you might find stuff like that in Rahoo territory, but not in places like Chiron, the CIS, or God help you the Hive.

You miiiiight be able to get away with something like that in the UC, so long as you didn't actually do anything to hurt anyone else. Crazy "leave me alone" survivalist types are usually just left alone.

Of course, then you've got the Void Sailors, who actively reject all government authority and fight to keep the Far Void out of the control of anyone except the people who actually live there. Still, it's not really about rule by consent, but an opposition to rule from a distance.

In Tattered Realms? There is no concept whatsoever of rule by consent. Most of these kingdoms are feudal and believe in the divine right to rule, others, like Dace, believe that the state is necessary for the survival of the people. The idea that the laws wouldn't apply to someone just because they don't want them to would be seen as insanity.

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>>43866836
>Of course, then you've got the Void Sailors, who actively reject all government authority and fight to keep the Far Void out of the control of anyone except the people who actually live there. Still, it's not really about rule by consent, but an opposition to rule from a distance.

Sign me up.

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>>43866905
>Being a filthy AnCap
Anon, Neuromancer is not what I'd call a free utopia.

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>>43867297
MOLON LABE

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>>43867318
Sure.

>>43867297
Still better that being a filthy socialist, of the national or international kind.

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>>43867297
>Not taking to the stars in your voidship to fight tyranny and maintain a free void for all

Do you even anachronistic buccaneer?

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>>43867483
That's exactly what I'm proposing to do.

But you're an idiot if you think welcoming corporations into the warm confines of your rectum is a good way to *increase* liberty.

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>>43867508
Literally nobody has mentioned corporations except you. This is about rejecting foreign authority and combating imperialism.

If on the side you want to stop people from selling you goods and services because they're too good at it, feel free to car bomb an Apple Store.

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>>43867541
>he's mistaken the free market for crapitalism

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>>43867549
Nobody is talking about capitalism or free markets except you, Alex Jones, there are SPACE NAZIS coming in a FLYING BATTLESHIP to TAKE OVER THE ISLAND, nobody cares about the goddamn corporations, Jesus Christ.

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>>43867578
Tell that to the anon who posted the ebin le don't tread on me lololol pic.

>>43867590
The "Don't Tread on Me" flag is a 200 year old historical American symbol of opposition to foreign rule. It has nothing to do with fucking corporations.

If anything, part of the position of the revolutionaries was an objection to the Tea Act, which was intended to support the East India Trading Company undercut smugglers, meaning that the American Revolution (and thus its flag) were opposed to the influence of foreign joint-stock companies who manipulated legislation against the public good.

I don't care how hard Penn Jilette (the best a man can get) bruised your anus, go take your beef with historical emblems of liberty to /pol/.

>>43867614
>It has nothing to do with fucking corporations.
That's strange.

Wikipedia seems to disagree.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag
>In modern times, the Gadsden flag is often associated with political movements such as libertarianism and the American Tea Party,

>>43867614
It changed it's meaning over the time. Nowadays it's used by racist white trash.

>>43867626
Context is everything. You were just looking for an excuse to start bitching about corporations when everyone else was talking about liberty and opposing foreign rule. It's always one faggot who does this, nobody likes you and you never bring anything to the threads. Go away.

>>43867628
You too MSNBC.

>>43867640
>You were just looking for an excuse to start bitching about corporations when everyone else was talking about liberty and opposing foreign rule.
A random guy decided to respond to a Jimmy post with "sign me up", along with a cancerous edited political flag. That is not exactly what I'd call a high point of discussion, and it is certainly injecting politics into a thread. If you don't want people to reply politically, you don't post politically in the first place.
>It's always one faggot who does this
You might want to review the meaning of "anonymous image board".

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Everybody shut up about annoying american ideologies, post about needlefire guns instead.

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>>43867673
Die in flames you shill. Liberty forever.

>>43867703
For the second time in one thread, needleguns come to the rescue.

Question: In CotV, assuming that most warfare involving ground troops takes place on islands, is there any reason to assume that warfare would have developed in at all the same way it did historically? Would rifles even be necessary in a war where amphibious landings and beachhead assaults are the norm?

The Japanese, who fought most of their wars on islands, didn't exactly push the envelope when it came to rifles. I feel that was something pushed more by continental warfare.

>>43867752
Several of the islands are said to be pretty large in size, about the scale of Japan or even larger. As long as there's terrain with more than ~200 meters open ground between you and your enemy, rifles will come in very handy.

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>>43867752
The islands are probably a bit bigger than Iwo Jima, and not all tropical. I think the biggest one mentioned is the size of Texas, which is big enough that you could have some serious trench warfare go down there.
From the looks of the weapons in the book, they're not lagging behind in tech at all. Sorta makes you wonder if they've got jet fighters yet. Lemme go look at the ship section.

>>43867817
On that note, I'd expect they're actually quite a bit farther ahead in coordination and technology of fire support. After all, pretty much every major offensive will be supported by ship-borne artillery, and especially on the smaller islands there'll be few places that the ships won't be able to get a a shot on.

>>43867833
>ship-borne artillery
I still wonder how that works in ship-to-ship combat. Not that I really know much about artillery, but it seems like not seeing if you over- or undershot your target would make things harder, wouldn't it?

>>43867817
Well, the Sternfleischer looks like it's got a top speed of 720 kph, which is significantly less than that of the Me 262, which had a top speed in the 900 kph range.

Also, the Sternfleishcer has a quarter the range of an Me 262, so it's definitely a lower-tech plane, probably meant to represent the Bf-109, though even the Bf-109 had three times the range of the Sternfleischer, suggesting that it's a very short-range aircraft.

Actually, all of the aircraft in CotV have very short ranges. Maybe it's supposed to include a round trip back to the ship? Even then, the idea of a heavy bomber (which is all the Eadwine could possibly be) having only 1000 km total range is absurd.

Maybe whale oil isn't as efficient as petrol, so they can't make planes with very long ranges yet?

>>43867853
Drastically so. Jimmy stated that the dust of the Underspace will be visibly thrown up when shells hit it, so at least you'd have some kind of "splash". Won't help you much when you're fighting at relatively high altitudes, though. Personally I think it'd make the most sense to have a small smoke-tracer at the back end of your spotting shells that leaves a visible trail, so you can easily check whether it passed in front of or behind your target.

On the other hand, the voidships presumably have the advantage that there's no water movement rocking them around, so they might just be able to get hits at relatively long distances simply by parallax rangefinding. Or alternatively fights just tend to develop into relatively close-ranged knife-fights where everybody can just shoot directly.

>>43867881
>smoke-tracer at the back end of your spotting shells that leaves a visible trail
That's a cool sounding idea. Did anyone use something like that irl?

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>>43867508
We know, we should create a housing Bubble!

>>43867908
They were used and issued occasionally in WW1 and the interwar years for anti-aircraft use, though they were quickly supplanted by tracers relying on simple bright light instead. See here for an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T63jaXjh9o

>>43867873
>SoS thread
>Literally talking about WWII fighter jets
>Still on topic
These threads have come a long, crazy way since 2013.

Hey, could anyone answer me a question I've been wondering for some time about weapons? I often see the notion that polearms are "lowly" weapons, or weapons not held in high regard. Meanwhile, the simplest of them all, the spear, was often held in a much higher regard in many cultures. Why exactly is that?

I guess spears are more universal and have more symbolism, but why exactly? Why were assorted polearms more of an utilitarian thing that didn't get as much respect? I mean, there are some places where they obviously got more, but broadly speaking.

>>43867881
The short range of aircraft coupled with the difficulty of aiming at 3-dimensional targets at battleship ranges would have two primary results:

1: Cruisers and the like become more important. Since combats take place at closer ranges, fast and maneuverable ships are more important than ever. Torpedoes, if they have some sort of guidance system, probably play a big role, which means having screening ships for the big boats is also essential.

2: Battleships don't totally fall out of favor. Without aircraft dominating the seascape, and with the need to be able to get into slugging range and punch the shit out of the enemy up close, battleships might stay viable.

Of course, a fighter-bomber would still be dangerous, but they'd be harder to deploy from long range. Maybe hybrid cruiser-carriers? Or maybe because the ships don't float directly on the water, they could just throw the plane off the ship at an angle and gain enough speed to fly before hitting Underspace, removing the need for a long flight deck.

>>43867981
I don't think the notion existed in the actual times when the weapons were used. Knights valued their lances greatly, as evidenced by their rich decorations, and there's no end of beautifully adorned halberds and voulges out there.

Swords had the advantage of being practical to carry around all over the place as late as the 20th century, meaning that they retained this honorary position in the consciousness later than other weapons did, hence our association with them as decorative.

But back in the day, all weapons that men carried in war were prized. Maybe in China or other places where peasant armies were actually common their shoddily mass-produced Ge or whatever were treated with less respect, but professional soldiers always had a way of decorating their kit.

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>>43867981
I suppose one aspect might be simple aesthetics. A spear is usually a rather simple and utilitarian design. Like the (european arming) sword, it's got a symmetric and lightweight look to it, which would make it easy to glorify a bit. By comparison, a more military-minded polearm like a voulge or bill tend to look more heavy and even brutish.

Secondly there's the context of the likely user. The relatively simple construction of a spear generally made it relatively cheap and easy to make in great numbers and keep around in case of emergency. That kind of makes it the "everyman's" weapon. It's just the kind of thing that a good upstanding citizen would grab to fight off evil marauding invaders. In an european context in particular this is even further amplified by the ancient greeks, where the spear was the weapon of choice for the citizen-soldiery, which has endured a long time because everybody and their mother used to be a massive hellenophile.
In contrast to that, a "proper" polearm is absolutely a professional soldier's weapon. And, well, in many times and places professional soldiers weren't all that well regarded, really. Under this point of view, a spear is the weapon you grab to defend your home with, whereas a polearm is something you take with you to attack somebody else's home.

>>43868024
>throw the plane off the ship at an angle and gain enough speed to fly before hitting Underspace, removing the need for a long flight deck.
How do you get the plane back on the ship?
Hook assemblies under the keel, maybe? Didn't those irl airborne carriers do that?

>>43868087
Yes, something like that, though that could get tricky when you're talking about heavy bombers and such.

Maybe those require actual carriers or even airfields.

>>43868087
>>43868110
On that note, I'd actually expect helicopters to make an appearance. The tech wouldn't be out of place in the timeline (working models actually existed pre-WW2, though they weren't militarised at the time except for a bit of scouting), and with some whalebone shenanigans you could amplify their effective lift and ceiling by a significant degree.

>>43868130
I think gyrocopters were actually used during WWII for anti-sub actions, perhaps by the Japanese? I can't recall.

>>43868075
Also, spears are everywhere, and have been everywhere since more or less literally the whole history of weapons. While it can be argued that any weapon with a pole is a polearm, actual polearms weren't that much of a thing until far later. Sure, you had falxes and rhompaias and all that during the ancient period, but medieval and renaissance is when you start seeing polearms in the context the word is usually used in.

Spears have a much wider history and cultural impact, in general. So, far shorter use period, and far more specialized purpose. While polearms were widely used on the battlefield, they were still a specialized weapon,

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Profiles for bavarian combat armour when?

>>43868986
The new Heavy Battle Cuirass is hardcore enough that a .50 cal will only do a Level 2 wound to you through it on 0 successes.

That alone makes it better than any ballistic plate ever designed in the real world, as far as I know the highest graded stuff still gets double-penetrated (front and back plates) by .50. This stuff only suffers a partial penetration of the front plate. That's impressive.

>>43869049
0 successes has to be like a severely angled hit or something. A dead-center hit with .50 would probably have a couple BS behind it and would liquify anyone.

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>Spend hours trying to come up with a flag for the space Nazis
>Literally every fucking design was already done by some lame ass Neo-Nazi fucksticks in Sweden or some shit

Are you fucking serious, can you assholes just use the Swastika and stop fucking it up for the rest of us? I swear to Christ, how is a guy supposed to make a thing about space nazis if all the fucking flags are taken? Fuck you Nordic Front, fucking douchebags, what the fuck does an arrow have to do with Scandinavia, what is it because north is up on the map? Afraid we might forget where you are? God damn it.

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>>43869432
News at 11, Californian man arrested for assaulting Neo-Nazi headquarters for "hogging all the fascist imagery, you poseur faggots, I'll bet you don't even know what a fasci is."
The 29 year old game designer was later quoted screaming a jumbled combination of Growth of the Soil and Rudyard Kipling quotes, before being subdued. He has been moved to a secure facility in Malmo pending extradition.

And here's the weather.

>>43869432
>Fuck you Nordic Front, fucking douchebags, what the fuck does an arrow have to do with Scandinavia, what is it because north is up on the map?
>The t-rune ᛏ is named after Týr, and was identified with this god. The reconstructed Proto-Germanic name is *Tîwaz or *Teiwaz.

(Neo-)Nazis fucking love their runic script.

>>43869432
Jimmy, what can you say about the military theorizing above?

>>43868142
Proper helicopters were also used as reconnaissance-bombing units by the Germans in late WWII. I think the name was Flettner Kolibri or something.

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>>43871026
You won't have to theorize for long, I'm working on air combat rules right now because someone mixed my coffee at double strength. I feel like Vegeta after he found out the dragonballs were missing from their hiding place on Namek, holy shit.

>>43871693
Does that mean you're going to get killed by a manlet with the voice of an old hag soon?

>>43871939
It was always Bones' destiny to kill me.

>>43872266
You'll have the Kickstarter before that happens right?

>>43872738
He's hoping to be resurrected.

Hey /sosg/, I have a question.

Would you like a short fecht?

>>43873807
yes

>>43873807
shure, fecht away

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>>43873846
>>43873884
Öke Kesik, Codename Silk

(Low Freeman)

6 STR
6 AGI
6 END
6 HLT
6 WIL
6 WIT
6 INT
6 PER
-
6 ADR
9 MOB
12 CAR
6 TOU
9 CHA
6 GRIT

Prof: Soldier School L10 (Primary: 1H Sword, Spear, Wrestling, Dagger, Bow)
Talents: None
Skills: Athletics 3, Climbing 3, Stealth 3, Riding 3, Hunting 3, Swimming 3, Perform 3 (Spiked Fiddle)
Boons: None
Banes: None
Weapons: Short Spear, Kilij
Armor: Mail Coat, Mail Longsleeves, Quilted Coat, Quilted Shortsleeves, Lamellar Pot Helm
Equipment: None
CP: 16

You are Öke Kesik, the latest recruit into the Gendarmerie Operations Against Terrorism. You don’t know much about how things work, but the man who tried to kill you spared you and took you in, and they seem like nice people. Your training has been rather arduous, and now, your handler, Gulaby Urducan, wants to test your skills.

You have been ordered to attack a building full of non-state Mafia, and that they cannot exist. Your only instructions are to leave no survivors.

-Go in through front door
-Try to climb around

>>43874159
We don't have any weapons?
Sounds like the frontal approach is probably a bad idea.

>>43874159
>oke
i knew this day would come
>-Try to climb around

>>43874257
You could use your spear or your kilij (or both), but you have nothing else to use as a weapon.

>>43874257
>>43874287
You decide that announcing your presence to a group of hardened Kurtish gangsters might be a bad idea, and decide to climb around for the sake of convenience. The upper floor of the building doesn't look as intimidating after all.

Roll me a climbing test, RS3.

Rolled 2, 6, 6, 7, 3, 6, 3, 7, 7 = 47 (9d10)

>>43874419
Is climbing END or MOB? I'm gonna assume END, but the example thing in the book says MOB.

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>>43871547
This is the Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri. It's... not overwhelming.

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>>43874647
But, this? This is the Focke-Achgelis Fa 223 Drache. Serious business.

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>>43874516
I assume it's END.

After some preparation, you go around the building and slowly climb up, trying to get it over with as soon as possible before the weight of your armor starts to fatigue your muscles. Thankfully, the building's architecture and caged windows give you many handhold and footholds, which you use to quickly make your way up. After some shimmying, you manage to find an open window, and jump in, making a hard thump sound as you hit the wooden floor. A short man in simple clothes wielding a navaja suddenly turns and looks at you, and shouts for a man named Sami.

''What the fuck's going on?'' A muscular man with a tanned complexion asks before coming out of a room wielding a yataghan. He seems to be regularly clothed, save for a cloth turban on his head and a leather jack covering his torso.

''Fucker must be a spy! Get him!'' The short man shouts.

Quick, which one are you wielding - spear, or kilij?

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>>43874675

>>43874682
Let's go with the sword.

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>>43874700
And of course, everybody here knows about the flying bananas that America was building at the end of the war...

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>>43874780
You unsheathe your kilij with a swift maneuver. This thing's been alongside you for quite some time - its blade is sharp, its design efficient. You know the spear better, but you know you can trust your kilij as well.

You know it's on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXo9ATGhtjU

The buff guy is going red against you, while the short guy with the switchblade is going blue. What's your orientation?

>>43874883
I'd say red, we want to kill these people fast before reinforcements come.

Rolled 7, 2, 8, 4, 8 = 29 (5d10)

>>43874994
Alright. Roll for initiative! This is the buff man's roll.

Rolled 7, 3, 5, 5, 1, 10 = 31 (6d10)

>>43875085

>>43869505
i never got why they use Tyr, he is like the only warrior god who is not a violent cunt. i would not be suprised if Thor or even odin were nazis since they are both most of the time selfish assholes at heart but tyr is a pretty chill dude with more honor than sense and would never do anything to anyone without being honor-bound to do it or some such shit, i belive they even say he had no heart for war, if you are going to be violent chose a fucking violent god you shitsticks, but they have to be hipster about it and choose the "forgotten" god even if it makes no sense for them.

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Rolled 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4 = 21 (6d10)

>>43875085
And this is the short man's roll. Reminder that you have +1 dice for your roll thanks to range.

Rolled 1, 6, 10, 1, 3, 5, 8 = 34 (7d10)

>>43875140

>>43875123
Shorty fucks up fiddling with his knife, and you automatically have initiative over him. The buff man declares a 8d downwards head strike, paying +1 for range for a total of 9 dice, while shorty attempts to flee for 9 dice. What do you do?

>>43875198
Do we want to do the cleave?

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>>43875266
That could work. Shorty will most likely go screaming for help if he survives, and Chad doesn't look like someone that can be ignored. You never were much of a 'cleave through two men at once' guy, but sometimes you just have to improvise.

>>43875266
What do we do about the buff guy's attack? Simultaneous parry/attack would cost us another two dice, right?

>>43875439
Don't we have initiative? Let's cut his throat and disable the coward.

>>43875439
Well, you can't activate cleaving blow without a proper strike first, so that could stay on hold for now. Dessia knows that luck has kept you alive throughout your life and not your skills - you could hope to rely on your luck one more time, or just invest in some more dice to make sure. Just don't forget action two.

>>43875497
Alright, how about ten into a cleaving blow at the guy's neck?

Rolled 3, 6, 5, 10, 3, 3, 2, 8, 3 = 43 (9d10)

>>43875954
Alright, roll it! Here's Buff's downwards head strike.

Rolled 7 (1d10)

>>43876002
And here's where it hits.

Rolled 6, 2, 10, 2, 10, 1, 1, 3, 4, 1 = 40 (10d10)

>>43876002

Rolled 2 (1d10)

>>43876027
Hit location.

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Rolled 9, 1, 2, 7, 1, 1, 8, 7, 6 = 42 (9d10)

>>43876020
...Face. Shit.

Versus the guy's 6 STR, +1c of the Yataghan and 2 successes, your 6 TOU means you get a level 3 cutting wound to the face. You lose 4 dice from your roll - we'll just subtract them for convenience. Pain will come into effect next round.

As for your roll... it hits the man's shoulder. He's unarmored there - your 2 bonus successes, 6 STR and the kilij's +1c means that you deal a level 3 cutting wound to the man's shoulder. He automatically drops his yataghan.

You can feel blood pooling over your left eye. But you've been given a mission, and you're not the type of person who stops when shit like this happens. You've been through worse.

Well, you actually haven't, now that you think of it. If you want to roll cleaving blow, now's the time. Here's Shorty's flee.

Rolled 7, 10 = 17 (2d10)

>>43876254
Well, not much point in that, seeing his roll.
You roll with the BS from the attack, right?

>>43876340
Well, your swing doesn't even touch the guy and he runs downstairs, shouting about an enemy. Missing your swing is understandable, given that your eye's slightly popped out of its slot and that you are bleeding like crazy all over your clothing. It's kind of a shame, really. You weren't this sloppy.

Your opponent, the buff guy, has only 2 cp left after subtracting the 1 stun from his combat pool. You have 4 cp to avenge yourself with. There's bound to be more coming up anytime now - things are only going to be worse if this shmuck stays alive throughout. You have initiative.

Rolled 4, 1, 6, 4, 6 = 21 (5d10)

>>43876501
Let's do an upwards groin swing for four, fifth die for hit location.

Rolled 6, 9 = 15 (2d10)

>>43876610
Should roll after declaration, mate. Proper etiquette and all that.

Anyways, here's his arm parry. Not that it matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiiDKw4ktdM

Gotta get a grip, Öke.

>>43876701
Refresh. Chad has initiative over you, and your pain finally kicks in with 16 points. Thankfully your 6 grit subtracts 6 points of that, and that means you have 6 cp left over. Roll a bleed check. He has only 3 cp, and declares a punch at your face, paying 1 for range. What do you do? Remember that the rest of the building is likely to come down upon you in a few rounds.

>>43876969
Parry the punch and giggle when he impales himself, we need to get ready to flee.

Rolled 8, 3, 10, 6, 10, 8 = 45 (6d10)

>>43876969

>>43877016
Parry how hard? Four?

>>43877027
Is the roll for the parry here?
>>43877016

>>43877167
That was supposed to be the bleed roll.

Rolled 1, 10, 2, 2 = 15 (4d10)

>>43877159
Ah fuck it. Parry roll.

Rolled 4, 1 = 5 (2d10)

>>43877196
>>43877027
>>43877340
Well, you aren't bleeding for now. Let's see Chad's punch.

>>43877442
It doesn't take much effort for you to parry his punch, considering how you've cut his arm to the bone. Blood sputters from his arm as his punch lands on the wooden frame of the window instead of your face, and he roars in pain.

You have 2 cp still and he's all out.

>>43877589
Stab him in the face.

Rolled 7, 3 = 10 (2d10)

>>43877651

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>>43877442
>Chad

>>43877651
>>43877863
>>43878166
Unfortunately for you, the Kilij's TTN is 8, which means that Mister Muscle is unharmed by your attempt at stabbing him in the face. The pain of hitting the window, however, drops him mumbling to the ground incoherently. He'll probably make it unless you do something, but you have bigger concerns in mind, such as your horrifying wound and about half a dozen smugglers that are out for your blood.

You look around the room in frustration. Perhaps there's something to bar the stairwell with while you think of something? There's a large wardrobe that you reckon could drop downstairs to block them for some time while you do something for your wound.

Or you could flee. Gulaby's going to be pretty disappointed if you do so, though.

-Get out through the window, not worth risking your life
-Block the stairwell and find something to help your wound

>>43878941
>-Block the stairwell and find something to help your wound

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>>43879112
You slowly come to the realization that you cannot see from your right eye. If you had a mirror perhaps you could see the extent of damage done. But that's enough, time to get back to work.

Roll a bleed test and an athletics test at RS2, to push the stairwell.

>>43879367
Eh, that was going to be 'bar the stairwell'.

Rolled 9, 7, 1, 5, 7, 2, 6, 7, 6 = 50 (9d10)

Obviously, we don't need bandages, but drugs.

>>43879367
Here's the Athletics.

>>43880106
You successfully push the wardrobe down the stairwell, and it makes some clanking noises before ending up jamming the stairwell completely. A following scream implies that somebody was in the process of going up the stairs when you pushed it down.

''Fuck! Karim!'' You hear someone shout. ''You'll pay, you fuckboy!'' The guy shouts up. You guess that the wardrobe landed on a friend of his or something.

Looking around for something to ease your pain, you come across some Madak-laced candy. Sabılyak-Bey used to eat a lot of these, and serve his guests a version with walnuts. You know it kinda soothes the mind, but can be intoxicating at high amounts.

-Eat some of it
-Eat it all

Rolled 5, 6, 7, 5, 2, 1 = 26 (6d10)

>>43880337
Bleed test.

Take however much is a mouthful, and pocket the rest.

>>43880441
>putting food in your pockets
disgusting anon

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>>43880441
Well, you're dealing fairly well with the bleeding for now, and your eye seems to be blinded anyway so you don't bother with a bandage for now.

The Madak-laced churchkhela has quite the impact on you despite your recent consumption of it. First time you've used drugs in your life. Then again, amongst Sabılyak-Bey's pages and squires, resistance to drugs was only a trait of his catamites, so you figure you got the better end of the deal.

You lose -3 pain and gain +3 bleed by the time you eat it. You'd keep the rest of the stuff, but you don't want your pockets getting sticky with drug-laced candy.

You prepare yourself for the battle once more as your opponents manage to slide themselves over the wardrobe. They'd pull it back, but they would need to get the guy who got himself stuck under it out first, and they won't do that before you are dead.

Before you is a man wearing a quilted coat with shortsleeves and a skullcap with a mail coif. He seems to be wielding some sort of kilij, like you. Seems to be of Marju make, though.

He's going red. What's your orientation?

>>43880765
Red.

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Rolled 1, 6, 8, 10, 8 = 33 (5d10)

>>43882304
Alright, roll for initiative! Here's the man's roll.

>>43882351
>>43882351
What's our dice pool for this, considering modifiers?

>>43882400
You and the man have the same sword, so you're at the same range. And since you have no talents, being a simple henchman at heart, you have your ADR only, like the guy before you.

Rolled 1, 8, 3, 5, 5, 4 = 26 (6d10)

>>4388247
Here you go

>>43882892
The man has initiative over you, and declares a swing at your lower weapon arm for 5 dice.

Get a grip, Öke.

>>43873807
>asking

>>43883005
Wait, he straight up got initiative over us? Why aren't we rolling for who declares first, then for initiative?

>>43885384
I think mister Constantinople is asleep. Bit off a bit more than he could chew, eh?

>>4388666Says Jimmy "Tanner died in captivity months ago" Rome

>>43887237
I've been busy. You'll thank me when you're doing battle with Zells in Zero-Fighters over the Endless Void.

>>43887653
I am not too proud to admit that yeah, that sounds way more radical.

>>43885339
to be fair the thread did get exhausted with fechts and just plain stop some time back (there were like about 2 fechts going on at the same time)

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>>43885384
Well, it first began as a mistake but I think it also made things quicker. If /sosg/ wishes to continue the fecht, we can reroll from that point proper or carry on.

So lads, what is best anarchism and why is it left wing free market anarchism?

>>43890930
>left wing free market
I'm gonna have to ask you to specify that. Having a controlled and regulated market is kind of integral to the traditional definition of left wing.

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>>43890930
Small-scale mutualistic anarchism, obviously.

>>43891076
>Having a controlled and regulated market is kind of integral to the traditional definition of left wing.
Only if you're a filthy American brought up on cold-war lies.

Socialism is for the material equality of all. The best method of distributing materials is via the free market. Unfortunately, we do not have a free market, and people are not paid by their contribution and ability but by the absolute minimum required to keep them working.

>>43891474
>The best method of distributing materials is via the free market
That's... something of a contentious statement.

Anon, best anarchism is state controlled anarchism. Didn't you know man is inherently wicked?

>>43891520
Good luck with your benevolent all-powerful state, anon. I'm sure history was just wrong about your politics.
>>43891535
Of course he is. Unfortunately, there are no exceptions. Putting a small group of men in charge of everyone else just magnifies the issue.

>>43891591
>Good luck with your benevolent all-powerful state, anon. I'm sure history was just wrong about your politics.

What are you even talking about? All I'm saying is that the idea that the free market is the ideal method of material distribution is not something that can be just taken as axiomatic.

>>43891628
What, do you want me to insert "in my opinion" before everything I say?

Expressing your opinions as if they're facts is a pretty common way of talking on 4chan, and off it too.

>>43890930
>>43891474
>freemarket anarchism
People are not equal, opportunities are not equal, distribution and natural supply are not naturally equal, luck is not equal. A truly free market will simply accrue power to powerful and even in an anarchic state a hierarchic structure will tend to form over time as this accretion happens, making the anarchism self-defeating as capitalistic dystopia sets in.

The best anarchism is clearly anarcho-communism, based on tribal-level units of society. However, for this to actually work, there needs to be a fairly low population density; to apply broadly, most of those alive today would have to be excluded, or die.

>>43892098
>People are not equal
Correct.
>opportunities are not equal
Correct.
>distribution and natural supply are not naturally equal
Correct.
>luck is not equal
Correct.
>A truly free market will simply accrue power to powerful and even in an anarchic state a hierarchic structure will tend to form over time as this accretion happens, making the anarchism self-defeating as capitalistic dystopia sets in.
Incorrect.

>The best anarchism is clearly anarcho-communism, based on tribal-level units of society. However, for this to actually work, there needs to be a fairly low population density; to apply broadly, most of those alive today would have to be excluded, or die.
Well yeah, okay, but as you say it does have a fairly major downside to it.

>>43892098
>However, for this to actually work, there needs to be a fairly low population density; to apply broadly, most of those alive today would have to be excluded, or die.
Can't we just colonize the asteroid belt?

>>43892182
I'm just playing Fallout 4.
No constructed shops, only settlement management, final destination.

>>43888392
I hate that system in the first place, roll bloat is bad bloat.

When I run this game, I have a set red/red declaration order. Lowest WIT declares first. If that's a tie, then I go lowest AGI, then lowest INT. If all of that shit is tied, then Rock Paper scissors. The acronym for this is WAIR.

>>43892228
You're just smearing your shit taste in vidya all over your thread is what you're doing.
>>43892332
That's more complicated than the RAW.

>>43892346
It's a merely adequate game, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy what it has.

>>43892332
>decries roll bloat
>invents a system that spends thrice the time looking over the paper at stats, instead of simply referencing the same stat twice