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>>43791613
Dis fred iz for da Orkz

>>43791613
Second for op is faggot for shitty opinions and formating

Okay so assuming keeping the "All marines must be the same gender as their primarch" thing,

Which Primarchs should be girls?

Repost because thread died right away.

>>43791668
Ya iz a stoopd git. Wat kind o'grot names they're stoompa fred.

>>43791695
fuck off

>>43791695
Robert girlyman

Robin Mangirl, leader of the Ultra-Marias

>>43791717
>"B-but muh period jokes!"

>>43791708
Uz da git. Da Biggest git. Fredz da name of da.... da fred wez in ya git. Quit ya muckin about

>umies dez dayz

To the guy asking what can DE do against a WK I have found 2 options that work.

Reavers with CC get 2d3 + 1d6 rending attacks that auto hit on average this will be 7.5 hits.
After rending and saves per 3 guys it is .37 wounds (assuming 5++ with a re-roll and then FNP).
In a 9 man squad this is going to be 1.11 wounds per squad.
You then next have 3+ squads who will attempt to do this every turn with hit and run and between that and some poison shots you may be able to kill it by turn 4 (sooner if you can kill the farseer).

The next option is ofc the coven formation of 5 talos with the instant death attack on 6 and assuming they can make it to combat they can kill the sucker in about a turn.

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>>43791613
>Shadowsun was written pretty well in Kauyon edition
>mfw
>>43791560
I've now dealing with the Eldar on Thaddeus's homeworld. I did find something for a dreadnought. Speaking of Thaddeus, how did he become a gang banger? He's too nice.

>>43791695

Russ, Vulkan, Johnson, Dorn.

Magnus, Fulgrim, Curze.

Picked randomly.

>>43791985
>not whorus

>>43792006

Warmaster Isis Lupercal?

First Captain Janet the Despoiler?

>>43792006
I think that's the name of a SoB porn comic.

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>>43792032
>janet
>warmaster janny

>>43791668
>filename is not "WAAAAAAAAAAGHhound titan"

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Can someone explain to me the appeal for the blood angels?

At some point every marine is going to go crazy and will likely have to be put down

>those nauseatingly powerful christian overtones.

>>43792082
>those nauseatingly powerful christian overtones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlxfDvSyPKA

>>43792082
They were supposed to be speed marines who specialized in jump packs, fast vehicles, flamers, and melee.

>>43792107

So Raven Salamanders.

>>43792082
>Can someone explain to me the appeal for the blood angels?

Death Company and Sanguinius is why I did a 2500 point BA army.

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>>43792100
I feel like you just wanted to post that and decided to respond to 43792082's post

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>>43792082

Honestly, I just got into em because I liked marines and my favourite colour was red. Now I appreciate them for being the guys that throw themselves into the rapiest situations without regard to losses. Got a suicide squad of stronk madmen? Throw them into the blender and see how much penance you can find.

>>43792117
Pretty much with some other unique flavor stuff
>librarians in dreadnoughts
>Vanguard Vets with unique wargear (sang guard)
>Apothecaries playing a more important role
>The original stormravens
>Death company who are loyalist marines who have essentially become beserkers

>>43792187
>>43792172
>>43792134

It doesn't bother you that the death company will likely have to be put down?

>Rumours of plastic sicarans in january
>Grognards get butthurt, talk about how it'll have less detail in plastic than it does in resin
>For a fucking flat-sided tank
My fucking sides.

>>43792172

Good a reason as any to play Codex: Red Marines.

Shame that Codex: Green Marines doesn't let you play a pure Bone Marines list anymore.

>>43792200

Just bury them all for a week. Worked with Fisto.

>>43792082
When we played space crusade when I was a kid, I got the red marines as my team, and I've stuck with them ever since. There's something neat about resisting the monster inside too.

>>43792200
Meh. No space marine lives forever, all die in battle. That's basically what the death company does.

>>43792200
They get put down by throwing them into battle until they die

>>43792200

Nah.

Space Marines don't have enough independence and downtime to count as having real personalities anyhow.

Frothing at the mouth just makes it a little more obvious.

>>43792204

Ooh, marginally cheaper Sicarian made from a less shitty material?

Gettin' at least one of those for my CSM.

I demand a transport variant Sicarian I can fit my Mechanicus Sicarians into.

Fortification stories?

>thinking of painting daemons Sons of Malice colors
>realizes how hard that'd be to pull off without a guide
>has spare blue paint
>thinks of making skull decor blue

I don't know /tg/, khorny? Also do (regular finecast) Great Unclean Ones not comes with instruction manuals? Because mine didn't.

Variant Dark Eldar consisting of all the Eldar who were in the blast radius of the fall.

The Eye of Terror slighly more subtly is just a huge region of tainted space where reality is thinner and the Dark Gods have influence.

The Dark Eldar had their souls sapped away, and now do the canon thing of feeding Slaanesh other people whilst resenting her, only on a much broader scale and with all the resources of the Eldar at their peak.

Thoughts?

>>43792293
>cheaper

>>43792147
How did you know?

>>43792502

Marginally.

Like, it costs Land Raider instead of Bananablade.

>>43792495
Actually in the most recent eldar book there are eldar mentioned who gave themselves to slanesh but didn't die in the process so it's entirely possible.
You wouldn't have aspect warriors though, or wraith constructs.

You might actually want to wait for the updated corsairs list

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What would be a good paint scheme for my necrons and eldar?

>>43792495
> and now do the canon thing of feeding Slaanesh other people whilst resenting her

This doesn't happen. Dark Eldar do not feed other people to Slaanesh; consuming the pain and suffering of other creatures heals the damage Slaanesh inflicts upon them. It isn't an offering designed to make She Who Thirsts look the other way for a while, it's a band-aid. This has been made abundantly clear in the fluff since the DE codex was re-released in 5th edition; why people still think otherwise is beyond me.

How does this look as a 1500 pt Chaos SM List?

Dark Apostle- 160
Gift of Mutation, Mark of Slaanesh, Prophet of the Voices

Elites
Chaos Terminators- 121 points
Mark of Khorne, Power Mauls, Three Combi-Meltas

Chosen- 243 points
5 Chosen w/Plasma Guns, 1 Chosen w/Boltgun, Draznicht's Ravagers

Rhino- 40
Dozer Blades

Troops

Cultists -58 points
11 Cultists w/Autoguns, Autogun on the Champion

Possessed - 365 points
8 Possessed with Mark of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess, 2x Gift of Mutation

Rhino- 40 points
Dozer Blades

Fast Attack
Chaos Spawn- 36
Mark of Nurgle
Raptors-270 points
9 Raptors w/Mark of Khorne
Icon of Wrath
2 Meltaguns
Gift of Mutation, Lightning Claw, Powerfist

Heavy Support
Defiler- 220
Powerfist, Power Scourge

1497/1500

After manifesting a witchfire spell, do you need to roll to hit? Flickering fire for example

>>43792579

That is literally just semantics.

Patching your own soul so slaanesh can eat more of your soul so you have to patch your own soul again so slaanesh can eat more of your soul without killing you is functionally the same end result as just making sacrifices.

Only, y'know, begrudgingly and with resentment instead of direct worship. So what I said in the first place nitpicked a bit.

>>43792639
>That is literally just semantics.

No, it isn't. To directly treat with a Chaos God by specifically offering sacrifices in exchange for favours, even if that favour is simply a brief reprieve from punishment, is a world away from healing the damage said God inflicts upon them. Remember that Dark Eldar are not Chaos Eldar; the Harlequins deal with them as openly as they do with the Craftworlders. If the Dark Eldar were deliberately empowering Slaanesh by offering her mass sacrifices then this wouldn't be the case.

>>43792200

That's the whole appeal. You don't have to put them down. You just send them in to do the hardest fighting and either the enemy takes care of your mental illness problem for you or they skull fuck the battlefield clean and you get the Chaplain to stick em away to do it some other time. Do you even seek redemption and honour? It's like you don't even want glorious death in the battlefield.

>>43792626
Witchfires are shooting attacks unless stated otherwise.

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I have a few questions.

I'm returning to 40k from a hiatus. I buy stuff from time to time but I finally moved and found an area I can play in.

Are landraiders any good now with the new formation?

Are bikes the best SM troop option still?

Are Iron Hands still a "tier 1" space marine chapter?

What are the top 5 best crunch space marine chapters, FW included?

Is it worth taking a Master of the Forge if I have a Fire Raptor and Sicaran?

What type of formation/decurion or whatever the shit it's all called now would make best use of bikes and tanks?

Apologies for all the questions, fat gentlemen.

>>43792615
awful/10

Would table and chuckle

>>43792032
Janet the Spoiled from the Daughters of Whorus

>>43792714

Who's the Black Templar successors with pink shoulders? That's a pretty awesome scheme.

>>43792713
So I got to pass the physic test, then roll to see if it hits, then roll my 2d6 assault witchfire?

>>43792466
Last sunday a tyrannid player played a deep-strike army (Maulochs, lichtors while 3 flyrants provided the dakka) and fielded an imperial bastion to get the twin-link on reserve rolls.
>Relic mission
>I rush my nobz+warboss to the relic and intercept his genestealers.
>He deep-strikes everything in my area killing my lootas and backfield units
>My warboss grabs the Relic, entered HIS Imperial Bastion and proceed to laugh for the rest of the game

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>>43792172
>>43792200
Love, love cures all for the Blood Angels.

>>43792615
Power mauls? Just take swords, maybe axes. Same cost. If they are tank hunting then fists/chainfists
Take more chosen, that way your plasma stays alive longer.
Cultist champ can't take autogun.
No gifts on the possessed, take 2 more possessed instead of rhino.
Take more possessed instead of raptors. If you're using the supplement book, possessed can become beasts.

>>43792626
Does the shooting attack say it auto hits? Beams do, says so in their entry.

>>43792714
Are you returning simple to table people and win games? You won't get help if that's what you want, you'll also just be wasting your time and money.

You can pretty much run anything you want in SM aside from landspeeders and expect to do well, using their gladius strike force thing. Top stuff right now is grav guns, which will be getting nerfed in 8th edition so don't be butthurt when they are if you use them.

>>43792804
What? You only roll to hit at one point, not twice. If you power has multiple shots, you test power, roll X dice to see what shots hit, then resolve.

Flastic Sisters for a Sisterwolf army tg.

Thunderwoofs and Melta Sisters in drop pods.

I need it so hard.

>>43792867

>Thunderwolves in drop pods

Why?

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>He worships a dead guy on a chair.
>He worships monsters from other dimensions.
>He worships an idealist Utopian philosophy.
>He worships Dakka.
>He doesn't worship the God of All Machines.

Explain yourselves.

>>43792864
>What? You only roll to hit at one point, not twice. If you power has multiple shots, you test power, roll X dice to see what shots hit, then resolve.
Ah OK, thanks mate.

>>43792907

I worship a Juggalo elf.

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>>43792907

>he worships a Necron god

>>43792907

>Worshipping the Void Dragon

YA DUN GOOFED.

>>43792907
I'm not a fag.

>>43792907
>mechanicus
>not worshipping dakka
coming from the people with shredding 5 shot uzis

>>43792615
Yeah, too many points into too many easily killed units.
Course that's for all CSM lists. Just use regular marines.

>>43792204
>>Rumours of plastic sicarans in january
I hope they improve the design a bit, the tank is quite ugly but not as disgustingly ugly as all the Predator-like tanks with their round turrets

>>43792714
>Are landraiders any good now with the new formation?
Not particularly but if you were taking 3 as dedicated transports anyway it's usually better. Unless you're using crusader squads for objsec LR's.

>Are bikes the best SM troop option still?
Scouts now give them a run for their shekkels but best SM list uses the formation now. It's apparently the best but I've yet to see anyone run it as not many people have 15 Razorbacks.

>Are Iron Hands still a "tier 1" space marine chapter?
IIRC only dreads have IWND now, not all vehicles, though I might be wrong on that.

Salamanders are probably the best now, not including supplements.

>What are the top 5 best crunch space marine chapters, FW included?
I'd say in the following Order:
>Ravenguard
>White Scars
>Iron Hands
>Imperial Fists
>Raptors

This is purely because they are all the ones with their own supplements though, baring Raptors.

>Is it worth taking a Master of the Forge
They don't exist any more

>What type of formation/decurion or whatever the shit it's all called now would make best use of bikes and tanks?
Probably the one in the new Tau vs Marine book, should be in the OP.

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>>43792907
>'e doesn't worship dakka

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>>43791613

>The new Emperor's Blade Veteran assault company forces you to take Hellhounds

JUST.

Having trouble on DoW 2. This is my first time playing a RTS, but so far things are going good. Until the Eldar decided to become the bane of my existence. The Warp Spiders and Guardians are okay, the Brightlances and the Banshees? Kill them with fire. Now I have to get Cyrus, Tarkus, and Avatitus back on their feet.

Name one reason I shouldn't take an all-sentinel bound list now, TG.

>>43793026

Ewoks.

>>43793026
>it aint da orkz

>>43792984

Thank you for answering my questions.

>What type of formation/decurion or whatever the shit it's all called now would make best use of bikes and tanks?
Is that White Scars only, or can other marines take it?

>>43793035

Screw your candy-ass ewoks.

>>43793035
fuck you, i needed my sides

>>43793026

How can you take all sentinel bound if you have to take a command squad?

>>43792907
You are worshipping Emperor and Void Dragon.

>>43792942
>>43792925
Does Void Dragon control weapons and they can misfire if you don't worship him enough via maintaining and shit? Or is there actual machine spirits which are different?

>>43792615
most Mark and Gift upgrades are a waste, only increase initiative and give the units FNP.
There is no air or anti-air and Havocs with rocket launchers are probably better in destroying hordes than that one blast from the Defiler.

>>43793010
Just snipe the bright lances and use Thule as a way to just wreck the banshees.
Or have your commander take them out.

>>43793049
Any Chapter can take the Hunting Force as a formation unto itself
But only White Scars can incorporate it into a decurion-style Detachment

>>43793090
There are individual machine spirits. Guardsmen knock on the hull of Hydras to 'rouse' the machine spirit inside. Its a token for good luck.

>>43793010
You can solo the game with just Cyrus. Use him to snipe Banshees.

Avitus is your main DPS, so make his DPS stat and get good weapons for him. Heavy Bolters shred mooks.

Tarkus is your tank, so buff health and whatever else, energy or damage is good. Veteran Squad unlock is cool, I dunno if you also get Terminator Armour that the Terminators become Veterans. I don't think they do. Use his grenades and drawfire.

Captain Hairgel (funnily enough GW did a model based on him, the new assault marines. They also have the two guys from Space Marine modelled too in Tacticals) use him as a melee beatstick. So Melee + HP. Thaddeus is great with max HP and max melee as he can spam jump slam which is great. Though he is also decent as a Terminator due to TH/SS equip.

>>43793228
Right so the Void Dragon can't go "fuck your shit, you didn't worship me enough, I'm going to make you misfire"? It'd be cool, especially because C'tan hate the Necrons, so it makes sense that they wouldn't want them to misfire there.

>>43793005
What's wrong with hell hounds?

>>43793236
>You can solo the game with just Cyrus.
Hasn't he been nerfed or is that just in the last DLC?

Do all pathfinders in a squad have to shoot at the same target with markerlights? New Taufag here.

>>43793280
Oh he might have been. I can't remember. I really need to play through the entire thing again. I've done DoW2 like 4-5 times, Retribution i've done all campaigns and some multiple times, but I've only ever done Chaos Rising once.

I wanted to make Avitus the bad guy (canon) but I hate the idea of Hairgel being sent on a penitent crusade because reasons.

>>43793280
being invisible and blowing up everything and insta-reviving team mates isn't nerfed.

>>43792172
The chapter you described is Star Phantoms

>>43793318
Yes. They also can't use them themselves.

It's why Marker Drones, Dronemander and Tetras are better.

>>43793318
Yes

>>43793236
Thaddeus is best when teleporting causes huge explosions everywhere

>>43793005
Just what? Can you speak normally or do you only communicate through memes? Do people on /tv/ actually think this shit is funny?

Would you recommend Kauyon+Mont'ka in hard-cover or soft-cover?

>>43793384

Hotheads leave.

>>43792172
But they're not trying to get penance. Blood Angels are only second to Ultrasmurfs in honours, heroics and defence of the Imperium.

They do what they do BECAUSE of their flaws, to prove they're not Chaos. Death Company don't survive battles. They die. If they don't die, then Astaroth appears and kills them. But that's so rare that Astaroth only appears when there is shit loads of Death Company to lead. Which, based on how shit the codex is, is basically table top canon now. As DC + Astaroth is a great mix.

I need to check Astaroths rules again, but does he still give Chaplain buffs or do you need to bung one in as well? Also

>Lemartes is Elite choice

Fuck off GW.

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>>43793414

Whatever you prefer, bro. Are you going to ask us if you should wipe sitting down or standing up next?

>>43793325
>I wanted to make Avitus the bad guy (canon) but I hate the idea of Hairgel being sent on a penitent crusade because reasons.
He's probably still kicking. Maybe he and Thaddeus decided to sent some of Kyras's goons on a wild goose chase.

>>43793377
Do explosions happen when he teleport? I can't remember the rules.

>>43793466
One of Thad's Melee traits makes Merciless Strike, his on-use special attack, a short jump or teleport that causes an explosion on the targeted area. It's really good against blobs and buildings

>>43793441
It's annoying that the canon is essentially "used Chaos enough for you to be sent off to die"

Fio!

Shas!

Kor!

Por!

Aun!

GO TAU!

By your powers combined, I am O'Tau'va!

>>43793426

When it comes to Death company, penance is definitely a theme. They are also very aware of how other chapters view their gene seed and are keen to make up for their mutations in the eyes of their brothers.

>>43793506
I know it happened when you jumped via Assault Jump, but it never seemed as good when I teleported. Assault Jump stunned and shit.

>>43793049

What does Decurion mean, and all that crap? It's been awhile...

>>43793414
pdf cover you fucking grognards

>>43793346
I thought because every Pathfinder had Target lock in the squad they could fire at seperate targets.

>>43793528
Oh for sure, but they don't realise this. They think they're Sanguinius. They want to make Horus accountable for what he's doing/done. So it's kinda about penance, thinking it's his fault Horus turned.

Either way, I love the DC. I love everything bout BA, but they're so crap on tabletop.

>>43793543
I need to re-read the 7th codex.... so, you might need to ask somebody else.

>>43793541
>not buying physical to put in your neckbeard bookcase

>>43793540

Games Workshop have come up with a new type of super-formation that gives you free benefits for taking from a list of formations instead of a CAD.

In a display of supreme idiocy, they still haven't named these formations of formations, meaning everyone just kind of awkwardly calls them Decurions because the first one was called the Decurion.

>>43793346
Drones and tetras dont have networked markerlights either.
Drones are better because the bs5 and reroll to hit with buffmander and tetras are more mobile which allows them to dodge some shit thrown at them.

>>43793513
That's the canon now? I guess Gab wants to install a no tolerance for Chaos items policy. From now on only untainted items are worth stealing.

>>43793630

Of course he would. He saw his best friend Isador fall to chaos before his very eyes.

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>using melee in a sci-fi universe

L M A O

Do we have a full list of loyalist sucessors to traitor legions?

Red Scorpions,
Blood Ravers,
I think there was an Iron Lords one?

>>43793648

>He thinks 40k is Sci-fi

>>43793658
dark angels

All Ogryn army now?

I'm pretty sure that RAW any Ogryn taken from the formation can get the charge bonus even if they weren't taken as part of the EXACT same formation.

>>43793630
Yes. I can't remember the "level" that is. I think it was medium taint. Either way, Avitus falls completely. Thaddeus and Hairgel get medium. Tarkus gets low level and Cyrus doesn't get any.

>>43793682

I said Loyalist sucessors to traitors, not traitor sucessors to loyalists.

>>43793692

And Commisars.

>>43793678
I was talking about Star Wars. Warhammer is Space Fantasy or whatever that term I forgot is.

>>43793658
>Blood Ravers

DRAWFAGS ASSEMBLE!

And it's only implied Red Scorpions are Emperors Children. There is no solid evidence other than they want to be perfect and have very pure geneseed. They -could- be Ultrasmurf successors.

>>43792711
It says in their fluff that asteroth puts them down if they survive the suicide run.

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>>43792639
I wish Slaanesh would hurry up and eat all the eldar, fukken elves powerlevel doesn't fit the setting.

>>43793598
7th ed Dex says they have Target Lock in wargear. For every Pathfinder.

>>43793724

Star Wars is also not particularly sci-fi.

Fuck, neither is Star Trek. They have a bloody psyker on the bridge crew and a trickster god who keeps popping in to visit.

>>43793751

No.

No it does not.

>>43793728
I mentioned that too. The thing is, even if they survive, they're so mental they can't be re-used, so they're locked up until Astaroth arrives and kills them.

But, since Lemartes exists, I'm sure fluffing that ur dudes are re-used isn't far-fetched. If I was playing them, I'd give them all names and record who survives.

You can't do Death Company Captains can you? Only Tycho is one, right? Tycho is the worst kind of character.

1. He's some OCDONUTSTEAL from a White Dwarf battle report that was put into the Blood Angels 5th edition (it was in the white dwarf one 18 months before iirc)

2. He's dead in fluff. No other special character is.

3. He takes up two slots in the codex

4. He's completely terrible on tabletop. Oh, great, a melta... not bad...

>no power weapon

Okay... nothing to worry bout...

>not even ccw

WHAT THE FUCK? He hits with his fucking fists? How the fuck does this work? What do you roll? S4 AP-? Isn't that the same as CCW? Or doesn't he hit at all in melee?

>>43793758
So it's Space Fantasy both of them?

>>43793813

The final front ear.

>>43792579

That's exactly what happens. Just because it isn't worship doesn't mean it's not feeding her.
Slaanesh is the entire reason for the thirst. If a Deldar soul is like a glass, and debauchery is the water, then Slaanesh is the straw always sipping away. Whether Deldar want to do fucked up shit or not no longer matters. It's either that or end up wasting away.

>>43791613
novel link is dead.

>>43793803
At least he is there

RIP wazdakka & old zogwart

>>43793751
Nope, just pulse carbine, markerlight and grenades.
Firewarrior and Stealthsuit squad leaders get target locks with their markerlights, but Pathfinders don't.

>>43793751
Mine doesn't have that. I call bullshit until proven otherwise.

How valuable would marker crisis suits be?

Is there anyone here willing to help a guy make a competitive marine list over Skype or something? I don't want to clog this thread.

--> lachesis300

>>43793708
so the answer is the 1st Legion, also sometimes called "The Fallen" by todays heretics.

>>43793866
They're fine but now that there's a drone formation it's better to take a squad of drones.

>>43793884

No you misunderstand,

Actual Marker Crisis suits.

How valuable would those be?

>>43793837
Snitrot becomes free when you buy Kommandos. Lemartes doesn't.

Lukas the Trickster becomes free when you buy whatever they're called. Lemartes doesn't.

Why?

I need to email GW again.

>>43793648
what is the problem in that? Sometimes you just need to punch someone hard and final. Like when the license screen of your targeting software pops up during battle.

>>43793905
There's the xv84 which is pretty okay.
Dedicated marker suits would be pointless because it's not something you want to use an entire crisis suit for.

>>43793867
>clog this thread

Mate, this is a 40k thread, we'll help.

>>43793836
It's always dead, people just copy and paste it. I'll try and fix it for next time I make a general (I didn't do this one).

>>43793751
Liar.

>>43793798
>>43793840
>>43793854
Is it a shitposter trying to make Tau players look like cheating cunts? It seems a shitposting meme at the moment.

>>43793929
Nevermind i indeed fucked up.

>>43793929

I am trying to figure out all this formation shit and "decurion" or whatever, my hand needs to be held.

I really like this Stormlance Battle Demi-Company, it seems exceptionally good.

>>43793929

No it's true, every pathfinder has a target lock, a networked markerlight, a multi tracker and a pulse ordnance multi-driver.

>>43793644
Thankfully for him Sindiri is dead, the daemon that started all of this fused with Kyras and probably is dead too.

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>>43793908
Because it comes out like this. It's not only heavy, but it would be stupidly hard to fight with.

It's essentially went like this, most likely.

>Hey, what's a cool setting set in space?
Errr, Warhammer 40k?
>Yeah! That's cool, what about their weapons? What weapon can we take from there?
Errm, well, power weapons... power lances?
>Nah
Errr power axes?
>Nah, they're for bad guys/vikings
Errr power mauls?
>Yes! Awesome! Now, we need to make it our own... what else is cool and popular?
I dunno, video games? Assassins Creed came out recently
>You've done it! I remember those hidden blades popping out! We'll do that... but with this power maul! BRILLIANT!

>>43793977
BUT
it looks cool

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>>43793977

JJ plz

>>43793999

It's a taser/baseball bat held like a tonfa

>>43794032
And?

>>43794043

"What the fuck is that even meant to be"

Should not be my reaction to a weapon.

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>>43793907
Buuu.... Buuu they have things I don't says the special space marine chapter with special characters, special units and special gear only they have.

Did they update the Clan Raukaan book for the most recent Space Marine codex?

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>>43793744
>[X] doesn't fit the setting
I love this hot new meme from 2012

>>43794092
Your absolutely right, you should probably jerk off to your victory post and blow your load on your eldar miniatures.

>>43794061
I respect your opinion

There is literally no reason Lightsabers shouldn't be issued to every soldier.

I mean yeah inefficient melee, but given how small and lightweight they are plus the utility of them as a tool...

>>43793957
The Scarblade Strike Force can take that as a Core choice, so to fill it out you need at least one Auxiliary choice listed there (i.e. Storm Wing, Speartip Strike, etc) plus anything else you want and can fit.

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>>43793977
While the whole retractable giant tonfa design is odd/overdesigned, charged melee weapons capable of parrying lightsabers have been fully canon in Star Wars for a decade now.

40K doesn't have a claim on weapons with energy sheaths, much less any other sci-fi trope considering how much it has borrowed over the years.

Everynun is gay for Hesperax.

>>43792578
Rainbow

>>43793977
Soldiers do have knifes in modern armies.

It is not to far of a stretch to give an IMPERIAL soldier a shock maul for subjugation purposes.

Whats the ideal number of wounds that eldar and chaos daemons should have in 1000 and 1500 point games?

The novels archive isn't working for me. Anywhere I can download Gaunt's Ghosts online?

>>43793954
>>43793929
So since i fucked up (or well battlescribe did apparently) Does anyone know what are the other good sources of markerlight? I'm thinking Target Lock commander with 2 markerdrones perhaps. Or Markers on the Squad leaders for FWs/Stealths.

as this thread derailed into a Star Wars thread: The 40k empire would crush the Star Wars empire. Discuss.
Also, any Space Marine HQ model would crush a Jedi. Discuss. I'd say even a tactical marine would be a very hard enemy for a Jedi.

>>43794341
Let's not. Can't we all get along?

>>43794341

In a land battle, 40k would stomp.

Taking space into account, Star Wars. Speed and reliable mobility is huge, and they just need to make every effort to avoid ground engagements- Not hard with space superiority.

>>43794323
from bitly 1leADZO

>>43794194

What are the best Space Marine HQ options in the new codex? Before I played Iron Hands with Smashfucker. I'm assuming Smashfucker is no longer an option if I choose to use Scarblade Strike Force.

>>43794382
but all their capital ships, space stations and planets are lost.

>>43794323

Gaunt's Ghosts would be way better if it starred actual spectral tyranids.

>>43794417
which chapter do you even play?

>>43794382
Problem is 40k space combat's on another level to starwars, since it hasn't been designed to look nice in movies.

Anti-orbital weapons as well. They'd be able to avoid a fight extremely easily, but them actually winning one would be hard to imagine.

>>43794438
Iron Hands, but I didn't paint them yet. They were originally supposed to be White Scars... so, yolo I guess?

>>43794438

The Crimson Emus.

>>43794484

How many planet-wrecking superweapons have the IoM built hidden in a budget as a secret project again?

>>43794492
You may as well make you're own chapter if you wanna pull shit like this as Iron Hands don't use bikes so you'll look stupid with an iron hands bike army.

Just use them as White Scars as they will work better on bikes and Iron Hands chapter tactics do literally nothing for them.

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>>43793971
pic

>>43793957
Oh, I don't particularly understand it either. Somebody will explain it here for you thou.

>>43793648

Are you going to risk damaging the spaceship you are with your blasters or whatever?

>>43794540
Any ship capable of launching torpedoes could be carrying them. Even the little cobra destroyers.

And that's before getting into the big guns.

>>43794064
Blood Angels are down right crap. They're Ork/Nid/DE tier. GK's are only slightly better due to Dreadknights and Draigo 2++.

>>43794205
I know, it was a joke, hyperbole. They have lightsaber tonfas. It's just bunging a maul on the end makes no sense, the guy even has to readjust his balance, it's that heavy. So how can he fight easy?

>>43794256
I know, but this isn't a knife. It's a tonfa-maul that comes out like a hidden blade and can't be wielded normally. Look at it. You try fighting with a tonfa-maul.

>>43794327
Drones. Buffmander. Tetras. 3 Tetras are the same price as 10 Pathfinders, but they're quicker and can survive easier.

>>43794580
But a hidden-blade style tonfa-maul is fucking stupid. Why isn't it like any of the other weapons which are logical?

>>43794643
What if it's a power hidden-blade style tonfa-maul?

I think I may try and find a swap for my Dreadmob + random Orks and was wondering what the best way towards assessing its value would be.

I have a 1250 list +~400 pts of random orks that aren't painted. Everything in my list is painted though.

I would probably trade at a loss just to get another ~1250 list.

>>43794663
It's sstttuuuupppiiid!

Look at it, it doesn't detach from his wrist, so he has to use it like a tonfa, but it is heavier. Why?

>>43794547

Well, it's not like I've invested much into them being Iron Hands. Did they update the Clan Raukaan book with formations and shit?

What are the best HQ options for White Scars?

>>43794620
>Blood Angels are down right crap.

Sounds.. tragic ;)

I love how this blood angel crying started from someone asking why people like blood angels.

>>43794759
What? I couldn't care if they're shit, this is a fucking fact. I still like them the most.

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>>43794674

Everything is a factor and you have to have something people want and I don't know if Dreadmob is one of those things.

I am guessing you are the Dreadmob Anon who cant play the forgeworld list at his local GW.

Swapping an army will require a lot of trust if you don't now the person in real life.

What do you have and what do you want?

>>43794759

Forge World should have made Lamenters Chapter Tactics what it currently is, except minus Furious Charge.

>>43794620
Last question. Any good "NOT TETRAS" models availible online?

>>43794759
because it was one of the worst, if not the worst, nerf in GW history.

from a decent top-mid army to one of the bottom ones. it's fucking clear that gw did this on purpose.

>SP take up HQ slots
>Shit relics
>no unique flyers despite them being a flying chapter and every other faction bar GK have unique flyers
>13 elite choices and only DC are viable
>no assault troops, no DC troops
>DC are -1WS
>Mephiston is -1T -1S and has no ++
>Tycho doesn't have a ccw
>shield of baal campaign relics are fucking awul
>no good formations
>can only take Captain generics, while vanilla can take Chapter Master and Space Wolves get CM generics

etc etc.

from what they were before, this is fucking awful, was a nerf fair in general? yes, but not to this extent, especially in 6th and 7th which is anti-asaault ANYWAY.

>>43794794
The Chapter Tactic is Blood Angels. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Funnily enough their gear is great. I seem to remember Chapter Master for Lamenters is pretty good.

>>43794718
No, but nothing's stopping you from using the Raukaan Warlord Traits and Artifacts in a Gladius Strike Force or a 7e codex CAD

>>43794796
Don't think so. You could prob use Piranhas, I think they're the same chassis if you take the sides off.

>>43794917

Tetras are about half the size.

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>>43794785

Yea thats me = /

The army was just a bad investment I guess. I really loved putting it all together and crappily painting it for my first project but I would rather have a normal CAD.

Like you said I don't have a popular army though. As much as I would like to trade it for a bunch of Jetbike Eldar, Necron or Spacewolves I wil realistically end up trading for a bunch of Spacemarine / IG or Nids.

My list alone has 6 Deff Dreads, 5 Grotzooka Kans, metal KFF PK Big Mek, 15 lootas, 20 boyz.

I then have a unit of Gretchin wit runtherd,10 more boyz, 12 burnas, 5 bustas, Warboss, Nobs, Ghazz, 3 Deff Koptas off the top of my head.

>>43792830
Why didn't he just fly circles around the building using his Electroshock grubs? Haywire on the building, d6 hits to the war boss inside

How does taking Relic tanks work now? You used to need a Master of the Forge to take 2, but now that doesn't exist.

>>43795073
Just take a techmarine with servo harness and tell your rules-lawyer opponent where he can shove his hardcover special-edition codex.

>>43795073
first one is allowed, any more needs a techmarine to to go with the entry.

>>43795016

How is he hitting the warboss? Is this some kind of building tremor table? At work can't look up rulebook.

>>43794504
Tell me more please.

>>43795113

You can take naked techmarines. FW said so. Especially when the chapters that don't have MotF have been taking naked chaplains/SW guy/etc to do it all along anyway.

>>43794980
if you had a lot of fun with orks, you could probably just buy more orks and make a standard-ish army list for when people are assholes about FW rules.

>>43795182
but servo-harnesses are useful and look cool.
checkmate

>>43794980
There is nothing wrong with Space Marines.
Yes, I know, its the GW staple of Warhammer, and its babbys first army, and such, but theyre fun.
A lot of people dont play them because they think everyone else plays them. Theyre flexible, fun to play, paint, and can be competitive, fluffy, or just fun.
Terminator droppods, full space marine biker army, rhino and tactical marine spam, assault marines and rhinos and bikes, psykers and such. Dont feel bad about playing something generic, its generic because GW actually puts love in the space marine codex because its what let them be where they today, and they respect it for that.

>>43793803
>He's some OCDONUTSTEAL from a White Dwarf battle report that was put into the Blood Angels 5th edition (it was in the white dwarf one 18 months before iirc)

Tycho has been around since 3rd edition.

>>43795208

Librarians are better and if you need multiple relics, you need to stop picking bad relic vehicles and/or play a 30k army.

Queen me.

>>43795281
2nd, if you're including his WD form.

Asking again -

What are the best Space Marine HQ options currently?

>>43795268
>putting a deep strike unit in a drop pod

FIX YOUR RULES GW

YOU KNOW DEEP STRIKE NEEDS BUFFING IF PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS SHIT

>>43795322

Librarian ML2, preferably on a bike.
Korsarro Khan on a bike.
Tigurius.
Pretty much anything on a bike.
Chaplain for Battle Company.

Most of the rest are okay but not the best. Chapter Masters with full loadout, Lysander, etc.

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>>43795328
Its always funny when people complain how termies suck and they either shove them in rhinos or footslug them
What the fuck do you think is going to happen? That 2+ and 5++ is there to help them survive a turn of shooting before wrecking shit in assault. Only daemons have easier access to ap2 melee.

>>43795158
Bastions have fire points for models inside. If a flamer template overlaps a fire point, the "no escape" rule for template weapons kick in. The unit inside is automatically hit d6 times (randomly allocated) with the S and AP of the weapon. So a Baleflamer hitting it would inflict d6 S6 AP3 hits, and Electroshock grubs will hit d6 times at S5 AP5. per template.

>>43795386
I wish the 5++ acted like a ward save, or something. Termies are way too weak against massed fire for their cost.

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>>43793648
You know, this is weirdly similar to the early concept art.

>>43795386

They're pretty neat one a turn 1 or 2 strike... Pretty worthless after.

Also never take shooty ones Stormbolters don't do shit

>>43795489
aside from the whole tonfa mace bullshit, yeah

>>43795486
I wish they could just re-roll their armor saves. It would make paladins impossible to deal with (aside from massed S8 AP2) from normal infantry weapons. Weapons that pierce their armor still could be stopped by their in-built refractor field, but these guys are supposed to be small, elite units that can wade through a battlefield without a scratch.

>>43795486
No matter what, youre going to get shot for one round atleast as whatever you are unless your target is locked in combat.
Id also argue that deep striking into rapid fire range of a unit that has no priority targets is dumb, distraction scouts or bikers work well, or deepstriking near the end of their line so you get shot at by only a squad or two instead of in the centre and eating shit.
Dont deepstrike tau gunlines. bad things happen.

>>43795362

Where is Smashfucker located on the list?

>>43794980

If you find someone that actually wants the lot I would say look for around $300-400 value. Good luck though, I havent seen a forgeworld dreadmob in years.

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>>43795525

How do we fix Stormbolters?

>>43795532
Well they could hardly give them lightsabers, so they got the next best thing and it's closer to the military police nazi thing it seems they're pushing more with the empire (not that it hasn't always been there).

>>43795585

He is the best for absolute power and durability, but he is not the best due to point inefficiency. He will beat all the "best" HQs 1v1 but you won't find him in the tournament winning lists.

>>43795548
Are you implying it's hard to get shitloads of ap 2?

>>43795593
Let terminators shoot them twice in a shooting phase. Call the special rule sustained fire or something.

>>43795593
Make there name actually related to their strength.
Id expect a stormbolter to do damage equivalent to an incredibly violent storm, maybe a tornado, not a breeze

>>43795593

We don't, we refit terminators to have an actual devastator version instead of some dumbass who to all intents swapped his thunder shield for a peashooter.

>>43795475
>mfw people don't mention the egrubs when they talk about "codex: flyrant with devourers" so the new players just make flyrant lists without grubs

>>43795628
Give that +1T so they're actually as hard to kill as bikes.

>>43795623

So no Smashfucker if I want to do tournament play?

>>43795593

One huge problem is how SBs are free on like all imperial vehicles.

>>43794674

I would try posting everything you have on /r/miniswap and see what offers you get.

>>43795656
We're talking bout storm bolters m8, but yeah T5 would go a long way to making terminators viable. I mean shit, look at deathwing knights. DW players will happily huddle their knights together, making them vulnerable to templates and having them cover less ground just to get +1T.

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>>43795548
>I wish they could just re-roll their armor saves
>terminators

No

>>43795593
assault 4, or salvo 2/4

Also, let terminators fire twice if they opt to stand still. People won't make fun of the storm bolter when the unit shits out 40 shots a turn again.

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Which army focus's on ordnance and artillery?

>>43795664

You can probably get away with a generic chapter master on bike with TH/SS. White Scars and Ultramarines are preferable over IH unless you are playing some kind of vehicle list with actual tanks and not just Rhinos, which isn't recommended because marine tanks aren't that amazing. For everyone else, Ultramarines grants Tigurius, Red Scorpions grant superior FnP with Battle Company and Sevrin Loth, and White Scars grant the amazing gamebreaking Scout and Hit and Run.

Raven Guard are also good if you use their reserve cheesing formations.

>>43795705
Iron Warriors, Iron Hands, the Guard, and I feel like Tau being a good answer.

>>43795705

Iron Warriors and Imperial Guard I think?

>>43795705
"competitive" orks.

>>43795712

Well, I have a Sicaran and Fire Raptor, my plan before was Smashfucker, bike squads, Fire Raptor/Sicaran and a techmarine on bike and I didn't get much further than that.

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>>43795693
Limit the squad size to five and bump the price up a little. Compared to other things currently in the game, it's pretty fucking tame. Especially since they'll only get a re-rollable 5++ against AP2.

Making things high toughness or bloating them with wounds as a way of bypassing small arms is extremely lazy.

>>43795712
>>43795765

My other plan was triple landraider spam with less bikes and scouts inside.

>>43795826

You know I used to thing buffing toughness with armour made no sense but...

The Tau do it.

The Necrons do it. (The fanciest bodies are more armoured and higher toughness)

So nyeh I guess Termies can do it.

>>43795826
Posting that image without also stating that it's from a time where even lasguns gave a -1 modifier to your armour save is a bit disingenuous.

Could an unmutated Chaos Marine just kinda...

Go "Fuck this", wander off and start being loyal again?

>>43795976
I think that's the Blackshields from the Deathwatch, but I'm not entirely sure.

>>43795976
Yes. If he's done nothing but paid the Ruinious Powers lip service and really regrets his treason, he can rejoin. He'll become a Blackshield, but it's really depending on if the Chaos Gods are willing to let him go. They're jealous and hate it when someone tries to take their toys away.

>>43795705

RENEGADES AND HERETICS

THE PURGE.

>>43795960
You say that as though 4+ on 2D6 isn't still an extremely good save.

I could also post the lascannon's stats, and how terminators still only needed a 7+ on 2D6 to save against them. Often (in the case of a character/sergeant) including a 4+/5+ ward save from your choice in forcefield. Which is much better odds than the flat 5++ they get now.

Haven't been around for a while. Any news on what the next 40k release is?

>>43796171
Chaos, Nids, or IG. One of the three.

>>43796207
I welcome any of those.

>>43796207
I just bought the chaos codex, if another comes out im going to cry
Will my GW be gay if I use the 6th edition book a month or two after release? Theyre pretty cool guys, they've told me multiple times how to save money on stuff I buy and conversion ideas.

>>43796046
Of course those saves are still amazing, but they're still awful compared to the flat anything but double ones that image without context implies.

If you want real nonsense though then khorne aligned terminators and cyphers 4+ invuln on 3d6.

>>43796245
I don't think anyone will care. But why would you buy the 6th ed book with all the rumors of 7th ed on the way? Especially when it's pretty much the shittiest book in the game right now.

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Are the new Forgeworld rules for Corairs out? I see the new Wraithknight model and Jetbike upgrade pack are on the site.

Are current Forgeworld rules for Shadow Spectres, Hornets etc going to change?

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>>43796292
Yes

>>43796281
Right, but at the same time, a 2+ re-rollable now is still quite fragile. Every squad's got some kind of AP2 option, almost.

>>43796292
>if i pull that off, will you die?
>it would be extremely cheesy
>that's a pretty big jink
>for you!

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>>43796171
>>43796245

Judging by the new formations and FOC, it's going to be IG.

>>43796312
The site says the book doesn't ship until the 27th...are there any links now?

>>43796292
http://overmycoldcoffee.tumblr.com/post/131517716101/didnt-get-round-to-uploading-these-yesterday

That's all we know so far.

>>43796286
>What is orks, nids, SoB, IG
Daemons codex is mid tier, fuck off with this stale meme

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>>43796217
We know Nids are going to be horrible because the 40k version of the Dragonborn but for Nids is Cruddance.
>>43796245
"Shut up, Nerd. Buy more models", GW on the subject of your tears. I do have doubts CSM will be good too.

>>43796322
New formations?

>>43796370
I thought we were talking about CSM, not Daemons.

>>43796041
This looks like the best choice

Was thinking of buying a box of Pathfinders to field 2 squads of 4 dudes, one with 3 Rail Rifles and one with Ion rifles. Use one of the 2 leftover models to kitbash a Darkstrider and fuck knows with the last one (wish I had the bits to kitbash a Shadowsun. A stealth army led by those two would be pretty baller.)

Does that idea sounds good? non-competitive purposes.

>>43796528
>Does that idea sounds good?
pathfinders without markerlights are kind of not so good

>non-competitive purposes.
Oh, then yeah for sure. Personally I'd just use them as variant sniper drones, though.

Pathfinder: 6 points.

WS 2 BS 3 S 10 T 9 W 10 I 2 A 2 Ld 9 SV 2+

Unit Composition: 1 Pathfinder.

Unit type: Jet Pack Gargantuan Creature

Wargear:

Two arm mounted tri-axis Ion Cannons
Two arm mounted Fusion Eradicators
Pulst Ordnance Multi-Driver
Vigilance Defence System
Barrier Shield Generator
Networked Markerlight
Target Lock

Options: May take up to 49 additional Pathfinders at 6 points per model.

Up to three Pathfinders may swap their Pulse Ordnance Multi Driver for a rail rifle or ion rifle.

>>43796635
lol excuse me?

>>43796648

Someone said Pathfinders had target locks earlier.

>>43796677

That sure is a profile with a target lock.

>>43796635
>Up to three Pathfinders may swap their Pulse Ordnance Multi Driver for a rail rifle or ion rifle.

kek

>>43796567
I just like the idea of having dedicated special weapons teams of sorts. That and the whole footsoldier/sniper schtick. Darkstrider would make the Rail Rifle dudes instakill anything T4 and Ion rifle dudes throw some nice pie plates.

I may not bother buying the pathfinder box afterall though. I'm still thinking it through.

>>43796635
>S 10 T 9

Still not good enough/10

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>>43796353

>>43796424
>I thought we were talking about CSM
Oh shit, I forgot CSM existed and thought daemons, nevermind.

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>>43794980

>trading Ork Walkers for Eldar/Necron

That tired of losing huh kiddo?

>>43796424
here you go battle brother
http://imgur.com/a/WGbXH

>>43796769

What if it could take two T10 drones, raising the majority toughness of the unit to 10?

>>43796338
There was, yes. But wait till the book is out, come on man. 5 days.

>>43796026
Who does he go to that wont shoot him dead first?

Are we talking renegade marines only? What if an ancient legionnaire finally wanted to get rehabbed?
Assuming not every chaos marine gets the Dark Angel spa treatment.

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>>43795759
I laughed at this and then tear up because as a Death Skulls player two editions ago I had wished they'd be a better unit in the codex...

>New Edition Codex central!
>New Ork Codex central!
>Can you feel it?
>It's changin'
>It's changin'
>It's changin', all right!
>I hope you're satisfied
>But if you ain't
>Don't blame me!!
>You can blame my GW Staff Writers on the other side!

>You got what you wanted!
>But you lost what you had!

>>43796752
Yeah, I get it. Special weapon teams were always my favorite guard units.

If you play a lot of kill team you might get some mileage out of it. Otherwise it makes more sense to go 4 markers, 1+3 rail rifles and two floaters.

>>43796814
I like it, thanks!

>>43796896
Hm, really Rail Rifles that much better than Ion?

In that case I could do 1+3 Rail Rifles, 5 markers and the last guy a Darkstrider conversion. Bears thinking about.

>>43793658
I've heard that the Silver Skulls might be an Iron Warriors loyalist chapter, but I've never seen any evidence for the claim.

Speaking of pathfinders with rail rifles, what up with factions who can't take specialist weapons on their troops?

Why no Fire Warrior Rail Rifles or Ion Rifles?

Why no Necron Immortal sergeant or specialists? Warriors are mindless, yeah, but Immortals have the brains to act as professional if emotionally dead soldiers.

Less flexibility on Xeno troop models I guess.

>>43793658

Blood Ravers, like from Blade?

>>43797011
Shit like that is arbitrary even with some "human" models.

Why the fuck do rubric Marines only use bolters? They are mindless automata who follow the orders of their sorcerers to the letter. You're seriously telling me a Sorcerer can't say "Hey cuntchops, pick up that flamer" once in a while?

>>43796942
> Rail Rifles that much better than Ion
because 3+ saves or better are so common, and anything with worse 9/10 isn't worth using ion on. That being said the blast does mitigate the BS3, if at the further cost of gets hot.

>>43795486
What's a ward save?

>>43797085
On a 5+, Matt Ward comes back and re-writes Terminators to be good.

>>43797085

Fantasy invulnerable saves that can be taken alongside armor saves. Basically additional super FnP or Necron Reanimation Protocol.

>>43797102

Games Workshop Table:

5-6: Your game system becomes Warhammer 40,000 5th Edition
3-4: Your game system becomes Age of Sigmar
1-2: Your units eat each other

>>43797102
But he does it with a line in Ultramarine Chapter Tactics, so that only the greatest of Marines will benefit.

>>43797104
Thanks

>>43797130
What I'm getting from this is that we can't GW writers out of Synapse Range.

>>43797102

Was Ward the hero we deserved, but not the one we needed at the time?

>>43797066
Makes sense. Honestly I don't much like the sound of risking my fragile pathfinders' lives with gets hot. I always have terrible luck with that rule.

Also I just thought of something cool. The 5 markers could act as spotters to the Darkstrider/Rail Rifle sniper squad. And they can split up across the battlefield to create nice interlocking fields of vision and fire, taking out priority targets that threaten to charge my Fire Warriors or ambush some other unit deep behind enemy lines (like my Stealthsuits)

Shit, now that I have that image in my head, I'm finding it hard to resist the urge.

>>43797065

"Rubric" really needs to be a gimmick applyable to any marine unit the Thousand Sons may have originally been able to take.

What is it, slow and purposeful, 4+ invulnerable, AP3 on weapons that fire bolter rounds? Sounds pricey, but it'd be hella cool.

Rubric Terminators.

Rubric Devastators with heavy bolters.

>>43797011
>>43797065
Same with orks.
>rokkitz or big shootas only, none of your mobs have any boyz in them that could afford burnas, kustom mega gunz or any other nonsense the meks have provided

>>43796942
rifles can pull double duty hitting light vehicles

that's why

Ion would be pretty neat in zone mortalis now that I think of it. Everyone's bunched up and the Tau lack most of their options for templates there.

>>43797085
Old WHFB rule. It means you can make armour saves followed by wards.

So, if you're 2+/3++, you roll an armour save, if you fail it, you then roll ward save, if you fail that, the wound hits.

>>43797142

Ward improved over time.

He had some incurable fluff issues, but fuck: You can ignore shitty fluff if the rules work, and he was way better in his later work at rules than the current crop.

Wouldn't be surprised if he resigned in disgust at AoS, I know I would have.

anyone have the pics of the new mont'ka tau rules?

>>43797145
I still stand by my idea that Inferno bolts being buyable for bolt weaponry on models who have the Mark of Tzeentch would make Rubric anything pretty viable.

>>43797146
Or even any random mishmash gun that one ork could've hammered together one late night after a few barrels of fungus beer.

>>43797145
>>43797065
All 4 cult units should lose their unique entries. Instead, Marks of Chaos should have much bigger effects on the units that take them.

>>43797194

Hmm, wouldn't Rubric Raptors be out of theme with their slow and purposeful deal?

>>43797188
I've seen Mat Ward compared to a 12 year old boy smashing tanks together and making his own sound effects as the space marines mow down hordes of tyranids in his bedroom. Really if you look at his writing and listen to his voice overs on the 5th ed necron release, you'll see that's not too far off.

I'm sure if he wrote every codex then I think he would be well respected today as the guy that brought 40k back to its roots and had fun while doing so, but he didn't and we ended up with an imbalanced mess of some guys writing for fluff and others playing it safe with cutting and pasting old rules around.

>>43797277

Noise weaponry everywhere.

Drop it.

>>43797282
What always confused me is how come 40k doesn't have good fandexes like how Fantasy has Oldhammer and Epic has NetEpic?

>>43797280
I don't know what the fuck's the point of slow and purposeful to be honest. Rubrics aren't meant to be slow, they're just mindless and follow orders to the letter because they have no higher brain function. You'd think a ghost in armour would be lighter and faster than a regular marine, especially hilarious when plague marines don't get the rule when they're giant blobs of pus and gangrene.

>>43797298
>Noise Marines vs Blood Ravers

>>43797334
oldhammer works for 40k too, you know

with fantasy it's usually centered around third edition (though personally I don't care for it next to sixth), while 40k is all about second edition.

>>43797334
It does. But only for dead codexes.

I wanna run an Imperium army that combines the 1st edition and current versions of a Rogue Trader. Back then they were given other resources, too and weren't necessarily criminal/or failure types told to go fuck off far in space, but to more or less colonize for the Imperium. But I kinda like that they are nowadays less moral and are willing to be nice to Xenos among other crazy things the Imperium wouldn't support.

I am trying to figure out which regiment and Chapter makes the most sense to make a Rogue Trader's armed force group.

IG Regiment wise I am probably having them be Last Chancers as having ex-convicts be part of a Rogue Trader army's IG makes a lot of sense.

But which Space Marine chapter fits the best here? Which chapter doesn't dick suck the Imperium like it's the GOAT and would be somewhat xenos-friendly? Which chapter does being sorta mercenaries well?

>>43797334
I think fandexes have never taken off because they're largely incompatible with 40k's biggest strength, which is its ubiquity.

>>43797130
>1-2: Your units eat each other
>>43797140
>What I'm getting from this is that we can't GW writers out of Synapse Range.
GW is a hive mind. Tom Kirby is the Norm Queen, Cruddance is a Ripper, and is Phil Kelly/ADB a Zoanthrope?

Why does the loyalist dreadnought have 4 melee attacks, but the CSM dreadnought has 2 melee attacks

Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>43797130
Rolling.

>>43797528
>Which chapter does being sorta mercenaries well?
Marines Errant (good)
>proper ties to rogue trader households, but are honest and loyal to the imperium.

Relictors (neutral)
>excommunicated for their obsession with turning relics of the enemy against them

Marines Malevolent (evil)
>no one supplies them because they're asshole pragmatists

Personally I think having the regal and decorated Marines Errant next to a bunch of shabby ex-cons would be a pretty cool look.

>>43797630

Because you rike chaos? fuck you!

>>43797669

Should change that to lawful good, chaotic good, and neutral/lawful evil.

>>43797644

MUH HULL POINTS

Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>43797130
Let's roll.

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>>43797846

>>43797883

You knew the risks.