Convince me to play a monk fa/tg/uys.

>>43779658
In my setting, all monks get free monstergirl waifus. Play a monk

If it's Anima, congratulations you've picked probably the second best melee class in the game.

>>43779734
/Thread.

>>43779658
You can play a girl in a skimpy outfit without having to resort to magic or resulting in people complaining about unrealistic armor.

>>43779658
don't unless it's 5e

>>43779803
what's the first best?

Play Sun Soul and be a JoJo. Or Goku.

Or play Open Hand and be a western martial artist.

>>43780023
or 4e, 4e monks were good too

>>43779734
However good this sounds, This will probably not be the case.
>>43779803
>>43780023
Explain why this is so.
>>43780020
Sounds like a pretty good positive.

Cause there's no character motivation like "find the masters of other monk schools and beat them up to prove your kung fu is the most powerful"

>>43780082
>>43780201
The first is Goku, well, the name is Technician, but basically is Shonen Main character: The class, you have ki as stars has the universe, and can do a lot of shit with it, from Big Bang Kamehameha x10, to Bleach shit.

Second best class is Tao, which also has lot of ki, less than technician, and martial arts, and if you're smart and choose well you can face parry meteorites and laugh (that Rex Frame).

Wizards are also powerful as fuck, but not as fun.

>>43780023
4e monk > 5e monk >>>> 3.5/PF monk

Open Hand is Kenishiro

It's like playing a fighter but less plain jane boring and you have the finesse of a rogue but you're not criminal scum. If you don't want to be some eastern traveller play an elf or some other mystical race who might have the time and inclination to treat their mystically enhanced fighting arts training as a lifestyle rather than a profession.

>>43779658
System?
If 3.5 go Monk2/PsyWar18 with tashalatorra, if you can't tashalatorra go Monk/Urpriest/Sacred fist.

If PF go Unchained Monk and suck your GM for help.

>>43780082
Technician.

>>43780201
In Anima, you can learn different martial art styles and create your own super moves but you have to spend Martial Knowledge (MK) to do so. Tao gets the cheapest access to martial arts (and you even get MK back for a couple of them, and they're really customizable. Want to go full offense? Take Muay Thai, Kempo, a lot of STR, and hit people with 4xSTR attacks. Counter all the shit? Lama and that other one that gives you bonuses to parrying weapons. Mystical shit? Grab POW, Tai Chi style, and that one merit that lets your entire Ki trigger off of POW.

And this isn't going into Advanced Martial Arts, like Rex Frame (what >>43780706 said, it gives you a not!AT Field) or Excelion (which can have some of the highest raw damage in the game).

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Play a Monk/Barbarian

>>43780814
>Play Lawful alignment restricted class with Chaotic alignment restricted class
Genius

>>43780846
Have you considered not playing meme.5 edition?

You know when you have that asshole dm/gm that likes to take away your gear multiple times a campaign?

Monks pretty much piss all over him.

>>43779658
If your party ends up in jail, you'll be the most well equipped PC there.

>>43780866
Then which edition?

>>43780814
>tfw unarmored defense doesn't stack

>>43780905
Behind the rogue

>>43780874
80% of GMs that I know shackle every non armored PC because either caster or a monk

>>43780846
>alignment restrictions
What year do you think it is?

>>43780921
>tfw reckless attack doesn't work with Dex
>tfw rage damage doesn't work with Dex
>tfw a lot of barb features don't work with monk
>Also you need at least 13 on Str, Dex, Con and Wis
Someone call the asylum, we have a MADman on the loose.

>>43780921
It's fine, just badger your DM into letting you ignore 5e's atrocious multiclassing prerequisites and dump Wisdom.

>>43780961
>Implying 4 stats are hard to raise

It's fine, just be non-variant Human.

>>43780961

MAD as fuck, yes, but it's pretty decent at the grapples.

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I had a really long post but the majority of it ended up being "You don't have to play a Monk to play a Monk."

OP, do you wanna play a monk Class or Character?

>>43781048
>Pretty decent at the grapples
Full barb is better.

>>43779658
If you play as a monk, then you too, like the fox, can wah-papapa-pa-papow.

>>43780961
Urban Barbarian and Martial Artist Monk archetypes. UB can pick which of the 3 physical stats gets boosted via Rage, and MAMonk isn't Lawful locked.

If you mean 3.P. idk for sure anymore.

>>43781056
This.
Pick Paladin in 5e, and fluff your full plate as your bare chest and your greatsword as your fists.

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>>43781126
Can't 5e Paladin just fight unarmed normally? And did they get rid of multi-classing for Monkadins again until later suppliments like they did 4e?

>>43781177
>Unarmed
Sure, 1+Str
Of if you pick tavern brawler 1d4+Str

>Multiclassing monk and paladin
Mad as fuck, you need at least 13 in Str, Dex, Wis and Cha.
And no, 5e doesn't have suplements that help multiclassing.

>>43781201
>Caring about character optimisation

>>43781227
>not caring about being able to do shit
Of course, surviving and being able to bring shit to the group is so overrated.

>>43781227
Well fuck it, then. Do whatever you want if that's the case.

I like how people talk about MAD in 5e as though taking 14 in 4 different stats is impossible, or even significantly worse than taking 16 in a single stat.

>>43781248
There is a baseline competence level, and then there is optimization. You should care about the former, not necessarily the latter. Not every paladin needs plate and a greatsword.

>>43781290
This guy gets it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-4GxTmhbY

>>43781290
14 in 4 stats is possible.
Having AC 14 as a monk is suicidal, this has been corroborated 1001 times. I even tried myself several times (several tries on shadow monk tiefling ).

Maybe with Sun soul monk, they have ranged attacks, but you need to reach 3rd level first...and with low AC as a martial that's not something that is going to happen easily, almost impossible in the precon campaigns.

15, 14, 14, 12, 8, 8
or
15, 13, 13, 13, 11, 8
Non-variant Human so +1 to everything.

So hard.

>>43781301
Baseline competence level is that you have a 16 on your main stat and that your AC as a martial is 16+, that or having a DM who pulls back his punches and babysits you.

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>>43779658
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

If this isn't reason enough, your playing monk for the wrong reason.

>>43779658
Trip everything. Attack of Opportunity everything.

>>43781388
K, sure thing bro. Such opinions. So hot. Much convincing. Wow.

>>43781388
A Rogue is going to be starting with 15 tops. Only heavy armor sword and boarders are really going to be going above 16.

>>43781441
Sorry, I spent 1 ki point and bonus action on doge, you can't hit me with that post.

>>43781464
As a barb I said once "fuck it, AC 14 is fine", didn't reach 2nd level, I regret not picking a fucking shield.

>>43781441
Not even him, but dude, did you even take a glimpse at the low CR monsters? Thugs are gonna rape you hard, as do kobolds, 1 of them is better than your 1st level character, and they're CR 1/8, so you're going to face a lot of them, and they have advantage to attacks and shit. 5e first levels are lethal as fuck.

>>43781388
>'Baseline' competence for monk requires them to be a race with both +Dex and +Wis

Okay

>>43781535
The message here is that monks are not exactly incredible.

Watch the Raid.

>>43781582
Que Pasa mustafa?

>>43781535
Yes.
This is still D&D, baseline competence assumes you're going to pick a race that improves your main stats (at least one if your defense doesn't depend on two stats).

Specially if you START at 1st level, if you start later is less important, but from 1st-3rd level is pretty fucking easy to die, don't make it easier. If you start beyond those levels, yeah, do whatever you want, but a 16 in your main stat at 1st level is pretty much assumed.

>>43779658
You can fucking punch any enemy in the balls... as your attack.

>>43780020
>people complaining about unrealistic armor

I just tell them to shut the fuck up.

>>43781534
Aren't the Barbarian's main class features taking half damage and making sure you hit in exchange for guaranteeing you get hit back?

>>43780846
You don't actually lose any monk abilities for being unlawful you just can't take anymore levels.

I think it's the same for a barbarian.

>talking about 5e
Still rustless my jimmies that the monk, a martial artist, is as bad as wizards at grappling.

>>43781668
This means that you need to get hit twice as much before dying. This will fucking happen with AC14.

Also, Reckless doesn't do shit against ranged attacks.

>>43779658
You get to punch things to death

>>43781126
>Pick Paladin in 5e, and fluff your full plate as your bare chest and your greatsword as your fists.

I know this was sarcasm it still gave me cancer.

>>43781624
Then be a human with 15, 15, 13, 12, 8, 8.

Or a warforged with +1 AC.

Or a Hill Dwarf with +1 HP per level.

There's more to 'baseline competence' than taking 15,15,15,8,8,8 so you can have 16 in 3 different stats.

>>43780846
>mfw 2e Barbarians must be L or N.

>>43780720
Pathfinder monks rock if you do it right. No one ever gives monks strength for some reason.

>>43781702
If you're using Reckless Attack though, you're going to get hit anyway, so there's barely a difference.

>>43781673
>I think it's the same for a barbarian.
No, barbs lose rage if they go unchaotic.

You're right for monks though.

>>43781668
You have limited amounts of rage per day, 2 at 1st level, and they last 1 minute or till you stop hitting and getting hit, whichever happens first. Also even if I reduce the damage to half I was being hit fucking always.

Game was LMoP, and the first encounters happened on a cave with long corridors, I couldn't keep rages from one room to another, and my AC didn't help.

>>43781754
Adhere to the laws of the tribe, or to the laws of nature. Sounds right to me.

>>43781734
Never go to 5e generals then, people recommend this kind of shit unironically.

>>43781759
PF monks rocked, if you were Kingkong master of many styles hungry ghost, though still Tier4, now the unchained monk is meh at best, better than PHB monk by far though.

>>43781759
>Pathfinder monks
Only if either Unchained or Zen Archer. Core PF Monks are Tier 5 shitstain that are only slightly better than the 3.5 variety, and that's not saying much

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>>43781799
THAT IS NOT HOW FLUFFING ITEMS WORK

YOU FLUFF A LIKE ITEM AS A LIKE ITEM. YOUR FULL PLATE IS YOUR SAMURAI ARMOR, COOL (TECHNICALLY IT WOULD BE BANDED BUT I'M NOT AN AUTIST). YOUR SPEAR IS A TRIFORK. OR YOUR RAPIER IS A CAVALRY SABER, OR A CUTLASS. THATS ALL FINE.

BUT ARMOR DOES NOT = BARE CHEST FKASKLDFHASDHFKAS

>>43781759
>No one ever gives monks strength for some reason.
Because people is stupid, but is an understandable mistake, people always thinks defense is the best way to survive in D&D, but this is false, offense is, it's counterintuitive as fuck, but that's how fuckign D&D/PF works.

Str>Wis=Con>Dex ftw

Is just me or 5e lowest CR creatures are fucking glass cannons?

>>43781889
It's true. Easiest way to guarantee you won't be hit is to kill everything in sight as quickly and mercilessly as possible.

>>43781941
>Playing 3.5 for the first time
>Always using shield, dodge and shit
>Struggling to survive
>Try 2hd with cleave
>Enemies drop by pairs
>Combats are way easier
It blew my mind as a martial player back in 2003-2004 whenever I started playing this

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>>43779658
Ok, so imagine you're a fighter, and fighting's great right? Get to kill baddies with your awesome fighting skills.

But now imagine that's too easy so you're like "Hey, maybe I can just kill stuff with my bare hands?" So you do that, you start beating shit to death.

Once you've become some ungodly fist fighter you realize that all you are is a savage, so how do you temper that savagery? With some hardcore discipline, you become a beacon to your people and above the passions that rule even Paladins.

You're the unassuming badass, the guy who gets up, says "I'm too old for this shit." and the bad guys don't know what hit them until you're using their face to mop up their own blood before meditating on your actions.

Pic Related because dwarves make the best monks.

As a fledgling GM appealing to experts, what are some ways to shore up some of the Monks weaknesses such as not being able to grapple shit amongst many things?

>>43782494
What edition?

>>43782494
If you mean 5th edition, just say that Monks can use Dexterity for Athletics checks for their combat maneuvers like Shoving or Grappling.

They're still somewhat outclassed by a dedicated expertise Rogue, but then again, so is everyone else.

>>43782584

5th, I thought I stated that but I apologize

>>43782649
Simple enough.

On that note, If I wanted to turn Tavern Brawler (just renaming it brawler or something) and let that being a fighting style available to fighters/paladins what's a good metric to scale their damage as they level up?

>>43781843
Core? Not sure. I played one with the Crane Style feats and was nigh unstoppable.

>>43779734
>this is the only one waifu for all monks
>you should kill others to get her attention

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This did it for me.

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>>43783406
>le happy NAT 20 meme face

>tfw playing as a Monk in Fantasy Craft
>also a Hydra

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