Pathfinder General /pfg/

Recommended equipment for a 10th level Arcanist 2nd Tier Mythic?

Your waifu a shit.

>>43675267
>When you have characters in a game, how many backups do you tend to have?

I tend to just make characters for fun now, and so I don't really have characters that are specifically intended to be my back-ups in most games- rather, any character I have that would be appropriate is a potential back-up character.

>Are LE the best rulers to have if loyal to their country and word?

If they're loyal to their country more than their loyal to themselves, I'd argue they might just be LN instead of LE.

>>43675267
Generally none. If a character dies (which is rare) or is retired, I'll build one as needed, but otherwise I don't go out of my way to build full backups.

Ideas for characters, sure, but not sheets or builds.

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>>43675267
>This is how I Dread with the Mindborn template

Daily reminder that people are literal mongoloids who will never stop asking for Bestiary 5 early even though they know it's out Wednesday.

Daily reminder that this always happens.

Daily reminder that they will pretend there is nothing wrong with this.

Daily reminder that your waifu will never be real.

>>43675401
I just want more kawaii qlippoths.

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>>43675267
>Are LE the best rulers to have if loyal to their country and word?

Yes.

>>43675349
Saint Olga was some shit
She was a good leader, but certianly fucked up.
LE, but loyal to here people.
The best way to be a king/queen/regent/leader I think.
Discworld and Terry said it best, as he often does, not quoting but, you can have good people being terrible kings, and evil people being great kings

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>>43675499
I think we can all agree that this is the most kawaii qlippoth.

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>>43675597
dammit, *her people
and I forget the pic

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How well do Soulknives and Aegi multiclass? If I wanted to be a Forgemaster Cleric with Soulknife stuff, what would be the best way to do so? I ask mainly because I'm trying to determine some stuff regarding homebrew setting clerical training

>>43675873
Soulknife multiclasses okay, because its mind blade progression only goes so far. Aegis multiclasses decenty well because their abilities are never really /bad/.

For the soulknife, if you grab Fighter's Blade and Natural Blade, you have up to six levels to play with of mind blade progression before you need to go back to either soulknife or a mind blade progressing PrC.

>>43675873
Thanks to Student of the Astral Suit the Aegis multiclasses very well.

Same goes for Soulknife and Fighter's Blade, although Soulknife multiclasses slightly worse

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>>43675910
Natural Blade?

>>43675989
Trait from Psionics Augmented: Soulknife. Basically a +2 effective soulknife level, up to hit dice, ala the Magical Knack and Practiced Initiator traits.

>>43675873
Metaforge itself, the PRC, is not really much good.
However, Conceptually, a metaforge -ie combining those two classes- always turns out well.

Almost any type of Aegis and any type of Soulknife are going to amplify each-other if done right.

Any good multiclass options for psychic warrior?

Also which is better Elan or Meanid?

It's evil to not give a shit about innocents dying, right? You don't just whistle on your way past an urchin stabbing another urchin with knives "because I'm neutral", do you?

>>43676104
No, see, Good would be stopping them, Neutral would be "not my problem," and Evil would be telling them to fight harder so you'll pay the winner.

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>>43675910
>>43675985
Thank you Anons, you have pleased the Goddess of Seeking Heaven Through Discipline and Creation.
Now she won't be laughed at by the other divine-minds of the Triumvirate: The God of Seeking Heaven Through Virtue and Becoming, and The God of Seeking Heaven Through Cunning and Realization.

Now I just have to get around to actually writing up the setting.

>>43676049
A small part of the growth loss can be compensated for with crystalline focus items, as both those classes get basically no feats.

Nevertheless, there is no larger Cpt boosting feat than Student of the Astral Suit, and Fighter's Blade does compensate for quite a bit. For all you lose you do gain a lot with those two feats, and the ability to treat your weapon as 2 sizes higher (yourself one size larger when it's advantageous as well) and/or get extra arms and flight and everything does add up quite wonderfully.

Now, where it really gets insane is if you were to play gestalt...

>>43676164
WHYYY

>>43676234
Because alignment is bullshit.

Alignment is not morality. The four directions are cosmic truths that sometimes line up with ethics, but are their own thing entirely.

So /pfg/, how would I build a rescue girl?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQAMHnmGZZ4

>>43675349
>If they're loyal to their country more than their loyal to themselves, I'd argue they might just be LN instead of LE.
I agree.

>>43675597
Why is she a saint if she was evil? What did she do exactly?

>>43676234
Because that's what neutral means. You are conditioned to good alignment being the norm because you live in a predominantly good-aligned country.

Would an animal interfere in a fight between two other animals of the same species that it didn't know?

>>43676399
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_of_Kiev
>The Drevlians sent twenty of their best men to persuade Olga to marry their Prince Mal and give up her rule of Kievan Rus. She had them buried alive. Then she sent word to Prince Mal that she accepted the proposal, but required their most distinguished men to accompany her on the journey in order for her people to accept the offer of marriage. The Drevlians sent their best men who governed their land. Upon their arrival, she offered them a warm welcome and an invitation to clean up after their long journey in a bathhouse. After they entered, she locked the doors and set fire to the building, burning them alive.

>>43675267
Which publisher is SoP?

>>43676164
No, see, Good would stop them, Neutral would pause and contemplate whether or not it is his problem, and evil will also pause and contemplate the situation but instead think about whether there's something he can gain from it.

>>43676479
Drop Dead Studios

>>43676399
She is actually above a saint I think, her title is 'Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Olga'
it is because she spread christianity around her country and made it the official religion

Our GM wants us to throw together a Wiki for the game we're currently in. What software is best for Wikis? How the hell do you parse information for shit like that? It's a god damn nightmare.

Beginner here, never played RPG games before, and while going throughout the core rule book, I can't understand the interpretation of this :
A rogue adds 1/2 her level to Perception skill checks made to locate traps and to Disable Device skill checks (minimum +1)

Does the "1!2" mean half ? Thus the LV1 Rogue will get a +1 on the disable device skill checks ?

>>43676532
By fucking murdering everybody else, it would appear.

A true adventuring cleric.

>>43676566
Yup
LE but a good leader

>>43676563
1/2 means half, yes. That is how fractions work. A level 1 rogue would add +1 on the checks, yes.

>>43676563
Basically 1/2 means at level 2/4/6/8/etc you add a +1 to the checks.

However, the bonus BEGINS at +1, so in reality, you get +1 from 1st to 3rd instead of just at levels 2 and 3.

>>43676234
The difference between Evil and Neutral is about a micron thick. In many circumstances, there isn't one. Neither character would innately give a fuck about some street rats having it out.

>>43676454
I don't see how that was in the best interests of her people, unless the Drevlians were at war with her.

How is she honored as a saint? What the fuck is wrong with Christianity?!

>>43676614
I literally posted why like 2 posted under that one
she spread it
and she was a bitch, but aquired land and riches for her people

>>43676612
Paizo pls

>>43676634
It still doesn't make any sense. Plus I wrote that before you posted but had to do the captcha again.

>>43676647
Good is the one defined by going out of your way to try help just because "it's the right thing to do." Neither N or E feel compelled to invest themselves for such reasons, and are free to act for their own interests. The alignment system is incredibly arbitrary in many respects to begin with, and heavily flavored by random biases that aggregate together until nothing makes sense.

>>43676586
>>43676588
Thank you guys !

>>43676612
The line may be thin, but it's still there uncrossed in some people.

>>43676614
What part of death cult don't you understand?
All of that "turn the other cheek" and "forgiveness" crap is ONLY ever used as a defensive argument.

It's all "Burn the witch, tithe the poor, purge the mutant, kill the heretic, annihilate the very dreams and families of the truly non-believers" until someone puts you on the spot and asks "hey, isn't that pretty fucking murderous? also I'm calling the cops, stabbing someone to death just for being gay or something is a motherfucking crime", at which point you go all "HOW CAN YOU! WE, A RELIGION THAT PREACHES PEACE AND LOVE OF THE FELLOW MAN! YOU ARE SAYING YOU HATE AND DISAPPROVE OF FORGIVING AND LOVING, HOW CAN YOU BE SO EVIL! YOU WOULD INTERFERE WITH OUR VERY BELIEFS! HELP! HELP!!!! WE'RE BEING PERSECUTED!!!!!"

That's what that shit is for. Expand, consume and assimilate for the profit of your highest members (the lowest are chattel and meatshields), and play the victim when someone tries to call you out on it or worse yet attempt to defend their family.

Every religion's more or less the same on that front, hell, even some bits of buddhism.

>>43676694
Good also implies traditionally good methods-A character with good objectives but uses the wrong methods (For example, constant use of spells with the evil descriptor) would fall to neutral.

>>43676454
>With the best and wisest men out of the way, she planned to destroy the remaining Drevlians. She invited them to a funeral feast so she could mourn over her husband's grave, where her servants waited on them. After the Drevlians were drunk, Olga's soldiers killed over 5,000 of them. She returned to Kiev and prepared an army to attack the survivors. The Drevlians begged for mercy and offered to pay for their freedom with honey and furs. She asked for three pigeons and three sparrows from each house, since she did not want to burden the villagers any further after the siege. They were happy to comply with such a reasonable request.

>Now Olga gave to each soldier in her army a pigeon or a sparrow, and ordered them to attach by thread to each pigeon and sparrow a piece of sulfur bound with small pieces of cloth. When night fell, Olga bade her soldiers release the pigeons and the sparrows. So the birds flew to their nests, the pigeons to the cotes, and the sparrows under the eaves. The dove-cotes, the coops, the porches, and the haymows were set on fire. There was not a house that was not consumed, and it was impossible to extinguish the flames, because all the houses caught on fire at once. The people fled from the city, and Olga ordered her soldiers to catch them. Thus she took the city and burned it, and captured the elders of the city. Some of the other captives she killed, while some she gave to others as slaves to her followers. The remnant she left to pay tribute.

Bitch is cold.

I don't get it. What caused the coops to set on fire? The sulfur? I don't get what the point of the birds was.

>>43676777
>hell, even some bits of buddhism.
You're going to need some evidence to convince me of that. Any examples?

>>43676838
Not him, but I imagine this is related. Particularly the wars bit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

>>43676777
>holy trips

The irony is palpable.

>>43676838
one quick search on wiki already gives this:
>In the 1970s, nationalist Buddhist monks like Phra Kittiwuttho argued that killing Communists did not violate any of the Buddhist precepts. The militant side of Thai Buddhism became prominent again in 2004 when a Malay Muslim insurgency renewed in Thailand's deep south. Since January 2004, the Thai government has converted Buddhist monasteries into military outposts and commissioned Buddhist military monks and give support for Buddhist vigilante squads

There's also examples given of militant groups in mynamar, etc. "Pacifism" is just that thing you preach until you outnumber and outgun the other guy, at which point "well it's okay because we had reasons".

>>43676838
Anon >>43676876 got to it before me, but my parents are from thailand. The architecture and dress codes aren't the same, but it's pretty much what you'd expect out of a southern church.

>Be good to one-another, except those guys there, fuck those guys
>Do not harm others, except right now we really want those dumb fucks off that lot so we can sell it off as condos
>Preach peace; our weapon shipments haven't arrived yet.

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>>43676777

>>43676948
>Monk vigilante squads
YES

Can someone tell Gareth that Skylancer is being a faggot on the Paizo boards again? Thanks.

>>43677019
Actually, I'm not even atheist.
But there's a difference between believing in higher powers and being blind to *how* they got everything covered in gold at Vatican City.

>>43677062
Who is Skylancer, why would Gareth care, and why don't you tell him yourself, since he's fairly often right here? Actually curious.

>>43677089
In order

Skylancer is a faggot on the paizo boards with a vendetta on Path of War. I agree with most of his opinions, but he has a habit of derailing threads like a dick.

Gareth cares because it affects sales.

Gareth hasn't posted in this thread, I assume he's not here right now.

>>43676948
That doesn't sound evil.

>>43677170
So what is the faggot saying this time?

>>43677306
Baiting a Core martials vs Path of War debate in a thread dedicated to talking about fun 3PP that they use.

>>43677337
Has someone tried using the "Jar of cookies" analogy against him, or is he just that much if an idiot

>>43677062
>>43677170
>>43677306
Are there ever productive discussions on the Paizo forums? Over here on /tg/ I get a poor impression of them, what with moderators deleting and locking threads for being "problematic", the devs being the devs, and hordes of Paizodrones backing them up, but I am open to the possibility that I'm getting a biased view of things since I don't actually go to the Paizo forums myself, except for the rare occasion that /pfg/ starts to get involved with a particular on-going discussion there.

>>43677406
Occasionally. Most of the time no, but there have been.

>>43677406
Paizo forums are pretty shit, except AM HELLKNIGHT, love that guy.

Friendly reminder that Pharasma is the strongest Diety.

>>43677440
Is there any relation to AM BARBARIAN?

>>43677406
Basically the only worthwhile places are the Advice and Third Party Product subforums on Paizo boards. They're great, all else is cancer.

>>43677451

Nah, the strongest deity is our lord and savior Pun-Pun, god of cheese.

>>43677481
Doesn't exist in Pathfinder retard.

>>43677460
Not that I know of, AM HELLKNIGHT is pretty inspirational if you ever want to play a Paladin/Hellknight. Check him out.

I'm aware. Don't go picking a fight. Y'all should know by now that I'm always watching.

>>43677495

Technically speaking, Pharisma only exists within Golarion, which, while it is Paizo's official setting, is far from the only Pathfinder setting.

3.p+3pp is the only way to play, anyway.

>>43677369
Well Skylancer has a pretty good understanding of a lot of Path of War's problems. He just doesn't know where to say it.

Ex: Early game rocket tag, unclear wordings, several items were ignored in playtest, bad comparative balance of disciplines, "brick" characters with no dicernable weaknesses, tons of untyped bonuses (imagine if you could benefit from two Inspire Courages simultaneously), inconsistent intradiscipline balance, ect.

>>43677451
That's not how you spell Papa Oino

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>>43676538
This actually sounds like a good idea, I'd like an answer too.

>>43677547
All I heard from your post was "Pharasma is top God."

3pp doesn't exclude the setting of Golarion.

>>43677547
Anyone ever done a game with two settings mashing up? Like, literally, as in the plot is "Hey, the gods are all kinda worried about that other multiverse hurtling towards our own" or "Rifts are starting to open up to some other place, not just an undiscovered plane but something BEYOND the planes".

I'm not the only one to think that could be interesting, pending the right settings are chosen and the implementation is okay, right?

>>43677597
All things being worked on, as you know.

>>43677638
Spelljammer is fairly popular, yes.

>>43677606
Who is this semen demon?

>>43677622
>spoiler

Sure. Golarion can exist within 3.5's cosmology as well, though. I'd love to see a smackdown between some of the higher-tier gods from the Great Wheel and Pharisma. Ao would probably kick her ass, but he gives no fucks about anything outside of Toril anyway, so he's out.

How are we ranking gods here, anyway? Favorite? Raw power (Vecna and Boccob probably win there)? Influence?

>>43677638
Planescape and Spelljammer are intertwined in the fluff, and each of the D&D settings exists within the same multiverse as every other one, so yeah. I'm actually in a game currently involving a future version of Greyhawk, with influences from gods from Faerun and magic from Eberron being around.

>>43677686
Probably a literal one.

>>43677686
Google search it. Digital art gallery.

>>43677696
>How are we ranking gods here, anyway? Favorite? Raw power (Vecna and Boccob probably win there)? Influence?

Favorite and Influence.

Obviously 3.5 has some raw power gods, but in Golarion Pharasma controls where souls go, so she controls how powerful all the other Gods are. Souls=Power.

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>>43677696
Oh, and pic related would win between all of them, but she sticks to her city and isn't a deity, so she's not in the running either.

I want to play a Ravenloft game where everyone's from a different setting, including someone from Golarion. Can you imagine some of the interactions the characters would have, just from discussing where they're from?

>>43677650
I'm looking forward to seeing how you guys change Warders so they don't have comparable damage to a Warlord while simulatenously being strong at every save.

>>43677638
That's my default home brew campaign

Reposting for more ideas:

Our dm is running a grimdark ebil occult campaign where shoggoths are popping up.

Aside from throwing colour sprays and glitterdust about everywhere, what can I do to fuck with people? Planning on spamming Mad Monkeys as soon as I get the spell.

I will get waves of ecstasy as soon as possible, and I plan to be casting grease on anyone in the monkey swarm.

/pfg/, question for you re adventure paths. I've never used one, and I'm wondering how intermeshed they are with the default Pathfinder setting. Can they be adapted to a homebrew setting without too much pain? I'm not averse to saving myself some encounter design, but our table has basically zero interesting in adapting everything to Golarion.

>>43675361
Is it even possible to be both Mindborn and a vampire?

>>43677696
How is Vecna anywhere close to strongest god? What is so good about him? He's not even a greater deity.

>>43677696
Ao isn't the strongest, though, there's that one scene of him talking to his Master.

>>43677869
Vecna almost broke the multiverse once. It caused the 3rd edition.

>>43677696
Torm smacked down the goddess of magic, so I'd put him in the running

>>43677900
Where?

What are some broken things to make a simulacrum of?

>>43677747
In that case, yeah. Within Golarion, Pharasma is probably near all-powerful. Soul control is a hell of a drug.

For favorites, I have always liked some of the greater demons for thematics, but they're not gods. Vecna is awesome (dude was responsible for Third Edition D&D existing and could be seen as the reason for Caster Edition, given that he's a wizard), Kurtulmak is cool, Erastil is great, Pharasma is... Okay. I'm not a fan of her "undead are icky, so they're [evil]" attitude, but I can respect the cosmic blackmail she's got going on.

My favorite god, though, is Mellifleur, a NE god of liches and magic. His ascendance was an accident; on the eve of some dark cosmic event/alignment of moons/whatever, he was undergoing the ritual to turn himself into a lich. By some ridiculous coincidence, he was doing his ritual at the exact same time as a /whole bunch/ of other dark rituals, including at least one ascendance ritual (we know that Nerull was trying to elevate Kyuss to godhood at that time). Something went wrong, and all of the evil divine power during that time went to Mellifleur.

As a result, almost every evil god hates his guts, and he hates them back. He has been known to send his aid to the forces of Good when it suits him or when they're fighting one of his enemies. His followers include a lot of liches, so they can pull off some hilarious stuff. I'm imagining a reverse scry-and-die where a lich teleports in to save a bunch of paladins, then leaves just as abruptly, leaving everyone confused.

>>43677900
Isn't Ao also in Golarion as the entity that split in two to create ASmodeus and his brother?

>>43677949
Yourself.

>>43677935
The wiki says it was Waterdeep, the third book of the Avatar Series, by Troy Denning.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Ao
"And how does your cosmos fare, Ao?" The voice was at once both gentle and admonishing.

"They have restored the balance, Master. The Realms are once again secure."
>>43677953
Not that I know of.

>>43677787
The average player doesn't give a shit whether their medieval fantasy adventure setting has stuff from another medieval fantasy adventure setting. I don't think anyone has any illusions of their FR campaign staying or becoming canonical to the Drizzt series, even if they overrun Faerun in undead. Effectively every table has its own canon.

>>43677949
Anything, in large enough numbers. Remember, Simulacrum can be fueled with Blood Money.

>>43677979
No, never mind, they both came from something called "The Seal". I don't know why I always make that mistake and mix it up with Ao; it's not the first time I've done it.

>>43677949
Nocticula's simulacrum can give you a +6 bonus to one stat as a hepped-up version of the succubus profane gift.

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Hey, /pfg/! How did your last session go?

In the Mythic campaign, the party has liberated Korranberg. We knew it wouldn't have been long until the enemy forces realize they've lost the communications hub of the country, so we've set off for Zolanberg to take back the Lightning Rail and prevent any more soldiers from coming into the country. We've hit a little mishap, however, and have found the Lightning Rail in disrepair; wreckage and bodies of enemy and allied forces alike littering the tunnels of the underground city beneath Zolanberg known as the Doom Vault.

Our Rogue thought it would have been a good idea to burst in guns-a-blazing, but was nearly killed by a pair of Titan Maulers. First encounter. To quote the player, "Our game is lubricated with the constant flow of halfling blood." So things are going great.

Still working on things for Lilly while wrestling with concepts for Steelforge. Sinus congestion can go fuck itself.

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I HEARD SOME BITCH GLUED TO HER CHAIR WAS TALKING SHIT.

>>43678067
Go cry back to your Master about your shithole planet of retarded deities, loser.

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>>43677953
Different Ao, just like that's a different Asmodeus.

>>43677900
I do recall that. Ao's still pretty top-tier as far as power goes.

>>43677869
Vecna may not be a greater god, but his power is far beyond what his rank would say. His portfolio includes Secrets and Intrigue, meaning that he instantly knows when and where either of those are going down in a way that involves 500 or more individuals. He has the ability to instantly know anyone's entire history by percieving them, has Alter Reality, full casting from both cleric and wizard, and all sorts of OP abilities that D&D gods get. On top of his raw statistics, he's the god of secrets. He has dirt on literally everyone, has the ability to make people living secrets (permanently erasing them from the memory of everything in existence), and would be able to mobilize a shit-ton of power if he ever actually needed to. He can also do anything within his portfolio (which is pretty damn broad) as a free action ten times per round. He is the embodiment of schrodinger's wizard.

Vecna is also one of the only beings to have truly escaped Ravenloft when it didn't want to let him go, the only god to have been to Sigil and made it out alive, and is directly responsible for a multiversal shift (his shenanigans with Ravenloft and Sigil warped the structure of the planes, changing reality from AD&D to Third Edition).

Vecna is OP as fuck.

>>43677952
>Accidental Lich God who helps out Good Gods out of spite

Now that's neat.

I like Pharasma, Lamashtu (Bodybuilders rejoice), and Cayden Cailen. But I bet I share those with lots of people.

>>43678065
my neck got broken by an orc monk and we all ended up on another planet.

Next session is in an hour

>>43678065
How much does Lilly charge to sit on people's faces?

>>43678065
Could have been better, didn't personally do a lot though general party RP happened. Instead I did the math on how to create a space catapult without using magic, and it turns out it's fucking expensive.

>>43678184
Explain.

>>43677597
>"brick" characters with no dicernable weaknesses
That's not a flaw - 'brick' characters that are secretly made of glass thanks to a stupidly exploitable weakness is a flaw.

>>43678120
Oh yeah, I forgot. He doesn't just have full casting; he can knows all wizard spells and can spontaneously cast them, on top of the full casting and Better Wish at-will.

>>43678120
>has the ability to make people living secrets
Source?

>he instantly knows when and where either of those are going down in a way that involves 500 or more individuals.
Where are you getting that?

>>43677919
I thought you were making a joke about 3rd edition being broken.

>>43678146
for some reason, I've always really liked Lamashtu. I don't go in for the madness part, but motherhoods always really appealed to me, and her focus on group is pretty strong; her clerics that aren't insane are instead focused on helping communities thrive.

Of course, she's still horribly destructive because, you know, Demon. But ah well.

>>43678065
In my Reign of Winter campaign, my cavalier has somehow survived into the Clock Tower in Whitethrone and is now the only original party member left. We've all agreed that he's the main character on this campaign and we hope he'll survive through the entire adventure.

>>43678065
Who is Lilly?

>>43678293

>Vecna can sense the discovery, recording, or sharing of any secret that affects at least five hundred people (such secrets might be political such as a secret alliance, or personal such as a leader’s illness).

Portfolio Sense is a stupidly strong ability.

The living secret is from the Vecna-Blooded template, which wipes you from memory when you get it. It also gives you some bonuses to casting and the ability to disappear from the memory of things that are literally in the same room as you 1/day. It also makes you outright immune to being detected by divinations, even if you lose the template later.

>>43678293
Nope Vecna literally created 3rd edition by fucking the multiverse. Die Vecna Die! is the campaign if you are interested.

>>43677984

To clarify, I'm more interested in saving myself work than setting continuity. Will the quests, NPCs, etc. mostly reference Golarion stuff, or is it generic enough that I can drop it into my own setting without having to rewrite everything? I'm not interested if I'm just going to have to hand-tune everything to my own setting, because then I might as well design every encounter without the path.

>>43677958
>>43678035
>>43678058
Is there any simple way to make simulacrum reasonable?

>>43678322
The baby batter barbarian in that picture.

>>43678293
Nope. The justification in-setting of 3e is that Vecna broke it. It being the setting.

>>43678346
I think the template says specifically that only yourself and Vecna can actually figure anything out about you without physically looking at you.

Oh, no, I just looked. It says that everything from before you gained the template, including your name, is forgotten and lost to everyone except you (you being you) and Vecna (Vecna being the guy who you got it from).

>>43678193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIk7bGqK6U4

>>43678384
No.

>>43678347
So the PCs fail in Die Vecna Die? How lame.

>>43678065
Why do people use little dots like that to shade things?

>>43678445
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointillism

It's a reasonably effective way to do shading/texture with minimal effort. It's also a weeb thing because a lot of manga did/do it.

>>43678427
No, breaking the multiverse is the good end.

>>43678065
Finally confronted the Lich who had been raising undead all over the desert. He had his vampire buddy trick us into gathering the materials for his ascension ritual, which we were pretty peeved about.

It was our second mythic challenge (The first one was gathering 9 headbands tied to the outer planes for what we now know was Nethys so that he could give us the power to change the world.)

The fight took place on the animated corpse of Ulunat, which used to house Sothis.

He was using the fight with us to animate his Lich waifu, The Harlot Queen. As he dealt damage to us, she would appear sitting in his Throne.

Or that's how it would have gone, if our worshipper of the Fire God hadn't hulked out all in fire form and. no shit, triple crit the fucker on our first round of combat. Lich goes down, we all celebrate In Character. Out of Character we had just started the session like 10 minutes before. The DM had to take a second.

When the DM had collected himself we went back into the game, where the Harlot Queen was holding off Pharasma for a short time so the Lich turned into a spirit to fight us. We defeated him, saving the world from an undead menace.

>>43678307
Lamashtu is so great. I love abominations and she provides an avenue for creating them.

>>43678384
Well at the very least it needs the line that requires you to have a piece of whatever you want to replicate.

>>43678058
>making a simulacrum of a 36HD demon lord
great plan

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>>43678152
Goody fun.

>>43678155
That is yet to be known.

>>43678322
She's one of my oldest characters who's finally seeing play. Weirdly in two settings; She's a Warlord in an Eberron campaign (Same setting and GM as Mythic, but set ten years prior,) and the other is Future Faerun where she's being used to playtest the homebrew Emperor class.

>>43678388
I don't want to know, do I?

>>43678445
Half-toning. Cheap shit means of adding some shading and texturing.

>>43678476
Well, I don't like it in greyscale. Also, I don't think it counts as pointillism unless the dots form an image. Thanks though.

>>43678065
We spent the second consecutive session making characters. Not making this up.

>>43678523
I like her, but I feel like it's hard to do anything with her without it seeming like it's magical realm, or having your players think you're getting off on it due to her themes.

>>43678524
>making a simulacrum of a 36HD demon lord
If that's a sarcastic tone I'm sensing, you can do that at level 18.

>>43678615
Don't be afraid, embrace the magical realm. Buy a mask of the mother and fuck everything in sight. Birth horrible mostrosities. All is allowed under the Mother of Monsters.

>>43678065

Went well enough. My players fucked up a social encounter and turned it into a battle, then fled into a chokepoint where enemy reinforcements were coming from. It turned out to be just tough enough to be challenging for them, which can be hard for me to estimate (my table novas well but does it inconsistently).

My boss NPC successfully disarmed our kensai, and I'm glad to see he pulled it off. The kensai's player is probably the most experience player, so he won't be too inconvenienced until he recovers his sword. Still, establishing the NPC as a swordsman to take seriously will make the campaign more interesting from here on out.

>>43678615
>>43678643
I'm actually planning on a neutral evil or chaotic evil cleric character that worships Lamashtu. Idea is there's a Drakainia that took up residence in the caverns below her home city and started exerting its influence. Lots of mutations and a Lamashtu cult coming into power got everything to reorganize and resulted in a pretty strong direction for that.

The character herself is going to be the party mom, making sure everybody is happy, well fed, and playing matchmaker if need be, and if the group ever comes across any babies of any kind, she'll do her best to help either take care of them or return them to the parents.

Being a T1 caster with some of the best domain selection in the game helps.

>>43678806
How does

>making sure everybody is happy, well fed, and playing matchmaker if need be, and if the group ever comes across any babies of any kind, she'll do her best to help either take care of them or return them to the parents.

Fit Lamashtu, beyond the broadest strokes of the word "mother"? Genuinely curious, I mean, because these aren't really things I'd attribute to Lamashtu (or a NE/CE character, for that matter).

Also,
>Being a T1 caster with some of the best domain selection in the game helps.

Desna reporting in.

>>43678065
>New player wants to join
>They decide to play a callous CN rogue, who was abandoned by his former party (slave traders the party is hunting down) in the middle of the dungeon and left to die
>When they appear he acts condescending to everyone, and the party leader gets really mad and neither of them budge, this gets to the point the party leader tries to punch him in the face, but rolls too low to hit
>Things still get really heated
>As GM I'm really worried this might put the new guy off, though I'm also thinking 'why on earth are you trying to act tough when the party outnumbers you 4 to 1'

>Session ends and both the party leader player and the rogue player say 'that was fun, good session'
>Neither of them were put off and I was just worrying too much

>>43678931
As I recall, Inner Sea Gods specifically states that Lamashtan clerics that aren't completely crazy tend to be helpful individuals focused on thriving communities, because a thriving community means a larger population and thus sex, which leads to babies in a positive feedback loop.

>Desna
Yes yes, I know. that'd be the point of the "some of"

Got a question:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/kami/kami-shikigami
What does it mean by:

"A spellcaster must have the Improved Familiar feat, an alignment of lawful neutral, and an arcane caster level of 7th or higher to gain a shikigami familiar. Whenever a shikigami becomes a familiar, it treats its master as its ward."

What do they mean by ward in this context, do I get a fucking Stand or something?

>>43679063
Speaking of Lamashtu, does anybody have the Mutant pages from Bestiary 5 saved? Been meaning to look at those.

>>43679159
Look at the rules for the kami subtype.

>>43679159
Looks like it.

>>43679063
I guess so. It's just, I thought Lamashtu (and by extension her clerics) weren't just about babies, but strong children, particularly those possessed of monstrous strength, who can grow to overrun all others.

Also, obviously, the whole madness shtick, but we're already talking about the ones that aren't completely crazy.

>Yes yes, I know. that'd be the point of the "some of"

I'm just saying, the two having some rockin' domains. Probably my favorite sets of domains out of all the deities.

>>43679159
>>43679242

It's still kind of confusing. The shikigami is listed as having a "minor work of civilization" as a ward and it's supposed to resemble its ward, yet it treats its master as its ward. So it's described like a tsukumogami that resembles a tool or item, yet it's also said to resemble it's master?

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>>43679440
From what i'm reading a natural shikigami starts off as a tool and looks like its ward, then when it becomes a familiar it'll look similar to its owner.

>>43679371
>weren't just about babies, but strong children
Well, babies need to grow up to be strong you know, and the best way to handle that is by making sure the family sees it grow up. Turning a community into something similar to an extended family would be even better. It's an association thing; strong children don't mean much if they get eaten by a leopard because you left them to roam the wilds by themselves.

It occurs to me that a Lamashtan city off in the mountains or something would actually be a pretty happy place, full of life and helpful people because of all this. Of course, it'd also be an evil community, so the parents would totally be willing to let their kids help beat people to death that are a threat to the community. It'd also bring promiscuity to a whole new level.

>>43676366
'Tricia's a Constable.

Odd question, but are an Alchemist's bombs considered thrown weapons for the purposes of being discipline weapons? Was thinking of rolling up a Solar Wind/Tempest Gale/Elemental Flux bomber, especially since you get martial weapon proficiency for sweet comp longbows and Rapid Shot synergy with bombs.

>>43679507
Well, they're considered thrown weapons for feats like close-range thrower and point blank shot, so one would assume yes.

>>43679507
>>43679542
While they are considered both thrown weapons and splash weapons for the purposes of feats that affect those classifications, unfortunately Gareth has gone on record saying that bonbs are incompatible with maneuvers; throwing a bomb can't be done as part of a maneuver.

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>>43679565
THE FOOL

>>43679565
Not even with Fast Bombs? I can get why it wouldn't work before that point since bombs are a standard action, but afterwards they should be attacks just like any other thrown item.

>>43679590
Fast bombs might work. He's never answered about those specifically, and the answer he gave way back was because the actions weren't compatible.

>>43679499
I dunno, there certainly are babies that are strong right from birth. I mean, look at what Drakania I can't be assed to figure out the right spelling every time pop out. And that's not to mention the kind of things that can result from Lamashtu's favor either, didn't Rise of the Runelord's first book feature a disgruntled Aasimar who birthed a monster?

What I imagine is more likely is that the parents would be totally willing to let their kids beat up the neighbor's kids, because ultimately the strongest kids are going to survive. I'd expect a lot of rape, violence, and savagery, so not much of a community at all so much as a bunch of angry and perverse people living in close proximity and worshiping the same deity.

>>43679590
Sadly, Fast Bombs just lets you do full-attacks with your bombs, so by RAW, it works even less with maneuvers. Though, I suppose theoretically, you could do it if you had a maneuver that you initiated to let you do a full attack.

That said, two things; nothing stops you from using a boost and then hucking a bomb as your attack there, and based on the Fast Bombs example there's no reason you couldn't get a discovery to let you initiate with a bomb.

>>43679639
I'll agree with you, but I think there has to be a level of moderation here; both seem like they'd be applicable, but more often we'll be looking at communities that are somewhere between the two extremes, with variance from individual to individual.

Kids would certainly be encouraged to fight, though.

>>43679640
I could definitely see a discovery being done, something like:

Strike Bomb
When creating a bomb, the alchemist may expend a strike that can be used at range. The bomb deals two less dice of damage (minimum 1d6) and a creature directly struck by the bomb also suffers the effects of the strike. If the creature passes the Reflex save against the bomb, it automatically passes any save against the strike.

>>43679756
Oh, forgot to mention that it can't be used with Fast Bombs.

Do you side with Qlippoth or Demons?

Do you think DSP would ever make a PrC for the Soulknife and/or Aegis that bumps up their enhancements higher and unlocks new blade / armor skills?

>>43679849
Demons, they're much more fun.

>>43679856
Do Reshape Mind Blade (unarmed strike) and Tashalatora still technically work? That was the best thing they ever had.

>>43679849
No.

>>43679756
I think one of the issues is that bombs are already powerful and versatile. Getting to Strike as well might be going a titch far.

>>43679849
Demons. If I'm going to die, I'm going to die motorboating

>>43679892
Just make it a star discovery so it can't be used with other bomb discoveries.

>>43679849
Phyrexians.

>>43679945
Hmmm. Yeah, I can see that working. Would need a proviso to stop it working with things like delayed bombs or a trapbreaker's landminea though.

>>43678580
Wats an emperor do?

>>43679975
Wouldn't work with those though as long as you require the strike to throw the bomb simultaneously. It's not like you can use a strike on a sword then put it down and expect the strike to still be active when you pick it back up.

>>43679849
Qlippoth.
They were there first, damn it.

>>43680015
... I'm sorry, what?

>>43679994
Check the pastebin. It's an Akashic initiator with support capabilities. Radiant Sun is its unique discipline.
Updates soon

>>43680078
Avoiding possible abuse from using landmines or delayed bombs to create delayed action strikes. You couldn't also use a strike, put down your sword, then pick it back up and have the strike still be active.

>>43676538
>>43677606
Whoo, one hell of a late answer

Roll20's journal system and Pastebin is what my group usually uses, but that's understandably a little shite.

Wikia is free and not that hard to learn.

>>43676538
>>43680196

I've used Obsidianportal, and I've had good results.

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>>43677451
That is patently false.

>>43680405
You are patently retarded.

>>43680173
I guess only because there's no simultaneity of actions. I'd still expect that if you were able to full attack with a strike and got disarmed in the middle of it, if you had Quick Draw, you'd still be able to pull out, say, a dagger, and finish the full attack. The clause about "making certain maneuvers impossible to complete" reads to me as applying to, say, strikes that require you to use a discipline weapon.

>>43677451
>not Based God Rovagug

>>43680553
Rub-a-dub-dub, three gugs in a tub.

>>43678580
"Baby batter barbarian" AKA a barbarian that you want to fuck (come inside, hence "baby batter"). It's the same as Semen Demon but for a barbarian.

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>>43679213
You're in-luck, anon!

>>43680634
That one sucks though. They've gotta rhyme, like fluid druid.

>>43680687
Who's that Baby Batter Bruiser

>>43680726
A little better. Barbarian's a clunky word. Bonus points, it could be that baby batter is what she bruises when she knees you in the bollocks..

Does anybody have the Asomi page?

>>43680675
Thanks friend.

>>43680833
No, it was only a dream.

>>43680758
Babearian?

>>43676802
>What caused the coops to set on fire? The sulfur? I don't get what the point of the birds was.
Translation is off. It's like Ivan the Terrible all over again (he is Formidable in Russian; don't ask me why English hate him so much).

In canonical version a rope got tied to each bird, and at the other end of the rope there was a burning ember attached.

I guess sulfur might've come from some versions that also mention cloth with sulfur wrapped around the ember (but none mention sulfur alone).

P.s. some historians suggest Olga's "fire-carrying birds" might be an euphemism for primitive rocketry (Greek fire from Byzantium) that got blown out of proportion.

>>43680758
Who's that Baby Batter Babebarian

I am seriously reaching for this one aren't I.

>>43680675
Holy shit this is strong as fuck.

>Free Haste every 1d4 rounds
>+4 to two ability scores
>Free Mage Armor constantly
>DR 5/-
>Flight
>A ton of options for at will Spell-Likes
>Fast Healing 5

Fragile and Misshapen are the least bad deformities.

If I could convince my DM to allow it I'd take this for my new Arcanist.

>>43680936
Wouldn't work, look what it says under mutations.
>A mutant that gains additional Hit Dice after acquiring this template does not gain additional mutations.

>>43680967
Even having 2 of those options is strong as fuck. One for acquiring the template one for having deformities.

>>43680936
I forgot

>IMMUNITY TO MIND AFFECTING EFFECTS

>>43680936
I could actually imagine this template being an excuse - like, mom and dad were wizards, and their magical works messed with you while you were in the womb. So, you follow the family tradition of wizardry, but you've also got some sorcerous power to go with it - thus, arcanist.

Of course, it would also leave you a bit deformed. I can just imagine a prodigal mage (given you probably put that +4 into intelligence) who's lame and only has one working arm, but has telepathy and immunity to mind-affecting effects. Ultimate mage in exchange for being physically weak.

>>43681078
This template is so good, literally every class can use it.

Also my character is closely tied to (but not a worshipper of) Lamashtu, so that is another reason I might have come out mutated.

>>43680936
Well it's not exactly supposed to be for players, a lot of templates are good

>>43680897
That makes a lot more sense, especially the part about rocketry. Thank you, Russianfriend. It made me sad that Americans make such a big deal over France terrorist attacks but no one said anything about Russia.

>>43681170
My games have always had templates as an option if you asked for them. In an upcoming game my friend is playing a lycanthrope.

But yeah I see what you're saying. Even for a monster though, that's strong. And for only a +1 CR. A DM could just shut down most of your party with a sufficiently high level Mutant.

How the fuck are GMs supposed to find the LA of templates? Is there even an official Paizo way? Calculate the RP and add ECL equal to RP/10?

>>43675873
Aberrant Aegis multiclasses straight into fighter/barbarian pretty well; by level 5 you've gotten most everything you want out of the class, plus armor proficiency is a great thing to grab.

>>43681258
Templates usually have a CR adjustment.

>>43681225
I think it's less crazy if you let the GM choose what mutations you get, on the condition that it works for your character concept and helps support it. this is definitely one of those ones that you need to work with a GM for.

As an aside, one thing I noticed - you can't put both +4s or -2s into the same stat, but you can put a +4 and a -2 into the same stat, resulting in a +2 but elimination of the penalty.

>>43681258
LA = CR. Do not add in Racial HD to overall level; for example a Troll, which is a CR 5, has 6 HD. this makes it the equivalent of a 5th level player.

At least, that's the theory. They also tell you to reduce the LA by 1 (to a minimum of half) for every 3 normal class levels you get.

>>43681297
Wow Graveknights are so broken then. Seems like something to houserule.

>>43681297
Yeah I was thinking of letting the DM choose my deformities. Makes it so I can't just choose ones that don't affect me in any way.

Like Fragile will almost never come up and when it does Staggered doesn't hurt a caster as much as a martial. And I don't wear armor so Misshapen doesn't affect me either.

That's interesting, even a +2 to two stats is pretty good. Especially since being an Arcanist means I have to have alright CHA so it's not a dump stat anymore.

>>43681348
I though the deal was that there WASN'T an LA calculation for PF? It's all houseruled.

>>43681348
All templates are subject to GM discretion, because just because they're technically allowed doesn't mean they're available. Just because you theoretically can apply it to your character, doesn't mean the GM will let you.

>>43681368
The Bestiary 1 has a section for monster players near the back.

>>43681078
Can we break the entire thing down to GP costs so that it can be applied to PCs in exchange for some portion of WBL?

>>43681348
Broken for who? Players? Why are you letting players become Graveknights?

>>43681390
Well, theoretically? Yes. Practically? It'd be a lot of work for too little gain, on top of the fact that the "GP" cost for the stat boosts alone would be massive, nevermind some of the crazier beneficial mutations.

Can someone give me an idea of an appropriate build for a Hunter? I've never played a non-core class before. We're using this calculator for point buy btw: http://www.jody-white.com/pathfinder-ability-score-calculator.php

>>43681517
Depends. What role do you want to fill?

>>43681517
First, would you rather play as a ranged attacker, a caster, a buffer, or a meleer?

Second, how much emphasis do you want to put on the animal companion over yourself?

Third, what's your point buy number? How many points do we have to work with?

Fourth, what level is this starting at?

Fifth, is third party allowed?

>>43681297
>They also tell you to reduce the LA by 1 (to a minimum of half) for every 3 normal class levels you get.
I just read the entry and you made a minor error. You reduce the level adjustment by 1 after 3 levels, and then REPEAT the process a number of times equal to half the LA. So a CR 2 race is +0 by midgame.

>>43681517
Since you didn't mention, it's safe to assume the standard 15 points?

>>43681560
Ooooh, my apologies. thank you for the correction.

As a humble level 3 Human Zweihander Sentinel, what is the best feat I should take if I already have Power Attack, Improved Initiative, Combat Reflexes, and Furious Focus

>>43681585
I think it's called Discipline Focus - Choose one of your disciplines, and discipline weapons for that discipline gain +2 damage and whenever you do a maneuver that provokes a saving throw, the DC is increased by 2. It's great for any initiator.

>>43681552
Not him, but I have a question. How well do Hunters fill the Caster role?

>>43681622
Not so well. Unlike the Druid, they don't have full casting progression, but they do have a good handful of buffs and utility. Don't expect the hunter to be an offensive caster.

What do you want as a player race?

>>43681622
If you want to be a straight caster Hunter, you're probably better off with a druid. But if you're able to make use of the spellcasting focused teamwork feats alongside your AC or another mage, they can become better, though the power level drops off in the lategame.

Worth noting is that through spell levels 1-4, they have access to ranger spells as well. they also cast like sorcerers, choosing from a spells known list rather than prepping them. If you want to go completely full caster, druid is where it's at, but hunter is great if you dislike wildshape and want to have combat abilities you can fall back on.

>>43681585
Get one of the style feats in PoW:E; ask your GM whether they're always on or you need to use a swift action to turn them on every battle.

If the former, definitely worth it, it's pretty much an overlapping stance; if the latter, still often worth it.

What's a good class to dip as a Vizier?

>>43681544
>>43681552
>>43681582

Ideally I'd want to be helpful both ranged and in melee. I guess spells might come secondary for what I've had in mind.

I've also never had an animal companion before, so I'm not sure yet. I want my companion to be an ocelot if that helps.

We're using 20 points and starting at level 5.

As far as I know, 3rd party is allowed.

>>43681348
Meh, Graveknight is just the martial version of the Lich template. Only not as good as the Lich template because it's the filthy martial version.

>>43681517
There are two very good hunter builds.

The melee hunter is some of the luckiest classes to quickly gain pounce via the Stick Together teamwork feat + the Ring of Ferocious Action. Best you get a reach weapon since you'll be doing this from behind your animal companion often.

The ranged hunter is capable of getting in a lot of extra ranged attacks with the wounded paw gambit, Enfilading fire, Friendly Fire , etc.

>>43676538
I use Google Docs. Can make links, tables, everything you need.

>>43681673

The DM is wary on Style feats because he's already seen my Warder do his work and man, it's kind of tearing things apart.

>>43681605

I'm considering Discipline Weapon, either that or Extra Readied Maneuver to really keep ahead of the curve with maneuver selection (I'm trying to make sure I don't hit that point where I don't have all the maneuvers I want, and no chance to grab Advanced Study or something to get them.)

Or I could grab Weapon Focus and practically guarantee my hits are going to find something.

Is this what it feels like to play a caster? Having options? I've never actually played one before so I'm used to trying to find the most optimized choice by necessity.

>>43681741
There are numerous guides for animal companions. The tl;dr for most is this:

1) The Pouncer big cat and Pouncer dino are best at combat
2) Mammoth and Rhinos if you're planning to be the party tank
3) The Roc is the most reliable flying mount available

>>43681741
Alright then. For your weaponry, pick up a longbow (composite if possible) and a greatsword, and put a fair amount into strength.

I'd really recommend against an ocelot companion, especially due to the fact that I don't think you can actually take them as animal companions; that's more Familiar territory, since they're so small. you can, however, get away with a big cat, like a lion, tiger, or jaguar. Big Cats are exceptionally powerful from a mechanical standpoint (moreso than most AC choices) and a jaguar is kinda like a massive ocelot, right? Besides, there's a lot of fun to be had RPing an animal acting like a much smaller animal, like a dog that never quite realized it's too large for puppy stuff anymore.

for stats, I'd recommend Str 15, Dex 14, Con 10, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 13. The reason for Charisma 13 is because of the Evolved Companion feat, which requires charisma 13 to use - it greatly extends the power of your companion in a lot of potential ways. Put your level 4 +1 stat into strength to get yourself a +3 modifier and you should be solid.

>>43681910
>pick up a longbow (composite if possible) and a greatsword, and put a fair amount into strength.

Or, just slap guided on your weapons since 3pp is allowed. Guided property weapons use your WIS instead of dex or str for attack and damage rolls.

>>43681886
>2) Mammoth and Rhinos if you're planning to be the party tank
I always really liked going into the Mammoth Rider prestige class with these. Having a Huge size pet rhino or Mammoth or whatever is great fun, as long as you get the feat that lets it squeeze easier, and that spell that lets it do the same thing. that way it can even join you in tighter sized dungeons!

>>43681974
Its actually easier if you bought that companion collar(?) wondrous item that shrinks your companion into a tiny statuette that you can take around with you, like a pokeball.

>>43682004
I believe that item is an artifact though, so it's up to GM discretion as to whether they want you to have it.

>>43681910
You'll actually need at least 13 INT if you want to opt for Pack Flanking which is a great teamwork feat.

>>43682041
Like hell it is. Hosteling armor does the exact same thing.

>>43682050
At that point, it's really a choice between evolved companion and Pack Flanking. Both are excellent choices.

>>43681770
Graveknight gets Str +6, Int +2, Wis +4, Cha +4 and spell resistance, and a +4 bonus TO natural armor (better than the +5 natural armor bonus the Lich gets because it's untyped), and immunity to an extra type. Graveknights also gain Improved Initiative, Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack, and Toughness as bonus feats. Lich gets +2 int cha wis.

It's not close.

>Only not as good as the Lich template because it's the filthy martial version.
What are Clerics?

>>43681974
I don't like Mammoth Rider if I rolled a Hunter, Druid, anything with a good spell progression since Mammoth Riders don't let you advance them.

Granted, Ranger, Fighter, Barbarian and Cavalier are great Mammoth Riders.

>>43681886
What is the pouncing dino named?

>>43682153
Deinonychus and Allosaur(?)

>>43682149
I agree with you there; Hunter, Barbarian, and Cavalier are the only classes I'd take into Mammoth Rider, and hunter only because Teamwork feats and it can get access to both Strong Jaw and Animal Growth for gargantuan size pet shenanigans.

>>43682153
Allosaurus

>>43682136
And the Lich gains a touch attack that can heal itself or a paralyzing touch, those are already better than some shitty mounted combat feats. The bigger issue is that the Graveknight has to effectively wear their phylactery, which make it rather useless.

>>43682268
>The bigger issue is that the Graveknight has to effectively wear their phylactery,
No, it doesn't. In fact, the description clearly talks about PCs hunting down its armor. Toughness and Improved Initiative are great feats, way better than using up a standard action to heal or touch attack.

Its aura works with whatever armor it equips, if that's what you're hung up about.

>>43682300
Dude, you're seriously saying a Graveknight can be separated from his armor?
"A graveknight's essence is fundamentally tied to its armor, the bloodstained trappings of its battle lust. This armor becomes an icon of its perverse natures, transforming into a monstrous second skin over the husk of desiccated flesh and scarred bone locked within."

>>43682354
Not that anon, but as a matter of fact, yes. That's fluff - nothing mechanical says they have to wear it.

So I've been building a diviner/conjurer wizard based on the concept that he is exceedingly paranoid and goes out of his way to identify everything he finds.

I've taken a level of Mehnir Savant Druid for the spirit sense ability. I also purchased a medallion of thoughts, a miser's mask, a metalseeker swarm, a noble's vigilant pillbox, the gloves of reconnaissance, and a wayfinder of revelation, along with wands of diagnose disease, detect charm, detect secret doors, detect aberration, detect snares and pits, see alignment, see invisibility, find traps, and bloodhound.

I'm fairly certain I'm missing something, though. I still can't detect oozes naturally, or really any creatures that are both living, mindless and native to the material plane, either through my own abilities or the wands myself or my familiar are using. Can you guys think of anything else a really obsessive and paranoid wizard should use without resorting to scry and fry? I'm mostly thinking of walking 60 feet and scanning again.

>>43680675
What application do people use to get these page grabs? I've got some pdfs I'd love to scrub and share.

If Paizo ever made protean people and inevitable people, WHAT would they be like?

>>43682603
Probably shit.

>>43675267
What is that picture? The person screams Byzantium but the art style says Renaissance

Alright /pfg/, what is your current party?

Here's mine:
>Aasimar Unchained Monk
>Half-Elf Unchained Rogue (Skulking Slayer) with Racial Heritage (Half-Orc)
>Dhampir Skald
>Lashunta Sorceress (Seeker/Umbral)

>>43682656
Right now I GM for PFS, in the hopes of finding players worthy enough of a decent home game. I have found 4, all of which have been taken for 3 separate games as I gathered my ranks.

I shall bide my time, accumulating a reputation as both difficult but fair. Challenging in combat, but engaging in roleplay. They shall come to me when it is time. I have moved across the country and stretched out my arms and words across their methods of communication and thus they shall find me. In the meantime, let them come and taste my fruits with neither penalty nor recompense.

These are the best of times, but truly, these are the worst of times.

This is not the first time I've recruited in this manner. I will be a five star PFS GM shortly. Gods help us all.

>>43682412
>That's fluff - nothing mechanical says they have to wear it.

Good luck convincing a DM otherwise.

>>43682656
>Dhampir Skald
I can't be the only one that read that as "Dhampir Salad"

>>43682656
Goblin Magus (Kensei)
Merfolk Wordcaster Sorcerer (Arcane/Serpentine)
Human Oracle (Nature)

>>43682792
It should be pretty easy, given that it's flavor text and the description says
>As with liches, for which graveknights are essentially the combat-oriented equivalent, graveknights should only be used sparingly and with deliberate purpose, as the first encounter is likely to send the PCs haring off on a new quest to destroy the undead’s armor once and for all

>>43682861
Pretty sure that's just because the armor is supposed to be difficult to destroy, not because they're expected to hide it. That would be inane.

>>43682861
Oh wait that passage doesn't mean anything it is referring to trying to throw the armor into the heart of a volcano or whatever.

>>43682874
>That would be inane.
Why? Wouldn't it be inane not to hide the thing that binds your life together?

>>43682884
Because then that would just be a phylactery. The whole fluff about the armor is that it's, you know, their goddamn armor.

>>43682656
Underdark:
Drow unchained rogue
Drow stalker
Tiefling zweihander sentinel
Tiefling vitalist
Fetchling umbral sorcerer

Mythic:
Blue psion
Tiefling aegis
Goblin magus
Elf druid
Human zweihander sentinel

>>43682900
And yet it's the intelligent choice.

>>43681582
The standard is 20.

>>43682884
>Why? Wouldn't it be inane not to hide the thing that binds your life together?

Because it's their armor and the focus of their unholy power, it's straight up called their second skin and treated as the thing holding their old bones together.

>>43682931
My point is I don't think they're allowed to do that. The armor isn't a "second skin" if it's sitting in cave somewhere miles away. And their sacrilegious aura ability specifically references the armor.

Also, from Undead Revisited:
>A graveknight’s body exists as a desiccated husk of bone and flesh within its armor, but these constantly rejuvenated remains are of no particular significance or function.
>Rather, it’s the armor of a graveknight that is its true flesh, the lifeline and cage that shackles it to the material world. Similarly, the glowing eyes that can be seen through the creature’s helmet are not its actual eyes, but rather twin points of light manifested by the raging spirit itself.

>>43682931

How would a graveknight remove their armor when it's literally fused to their body.

>>43681582
>>43682958
The standard is 25.

>>43682931

You must be a blast at parties.

>>43682656
My buddies play for fun
>Lizardfolk Samurai sword to defend the river kingdom of his lord.
>Human Gunslinger who works as a mercenary to start a business
>Ifrit Hunter who is on a lookout for 'the defiler'
And then there's me who likes rolling eccentric builds
>Android Siege Mage / Construct Rider / Siege Gunner.who turned his elephant companion into an Artillery-mounted Mammoth Tank

>>43682656
>Spellscar Oracle with Waking Dreamer Curse
>Zweihander Sentinel
>Druid with Elephant
>Two UnMonks

The only one who's played Pathfinder before is one of the UnMonks.

>>43682997
>>43682999
It doesn't mention that in the SRD template; it implies it in the fluff, but there's no actual mechanical effect of the template that fuses the armor to them.

I didn't know about the Undead Revisted entry, which I'll freely admit overturns my statements handily.

>>43683065
Scroll down a bit more:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/graveknight-cr-2

>>43683065
Yes, the point of this discussion was fluff, we already established that.
If it was a template meant for PCs there'd undoubtedly be more strict rules for how it works, but as it is they only had two pages.

>>43683011
No, 20.

That is the default assumption.

See: the iconics being all built on 20PB.

>>43683102
Actually in the very bottom in the Variants section of >>43683095 it details exactly what you need to do.

>>43683127
I wouldn't really say that's meant for PCs but fair point.

>>43682908
Didn't expect a second Goblin Magus.

>>43683108
I said standard, not default. 25 is the standard of anyone who is not filth.

>>43683168
What?

>>43682958
>The number of points you have to spend using the purchase method depends on the type of campaign you are playing. The standard value for a character is 15 points.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores

>>43683173
>I said standard, not default. 25 is the standard of anyone who is not filth.
Where's that anon that claimed he played with something like 92PB and made some pretty vitriolic statements against anyone who said they played at a lower one?

>>43683032
How can you say that based on just one post?

>>43683173
As I said earlier, my party has a goblin magus.

>>43683261
Ah, overlooked that. Mine is a bladebound, still Dex-based.

>>43683291
Mine has 5 Cha and pretty much just points and grunts outside of combat.

>>43682874
Just making the armor difficult to destroy isn't much of a quest, unless you mean it has like an artifact-type clause for its method of destruction, and the PCs must hurriedly work to such an end because every few days they spend on the job the Graveknight's armor rezzes him and they have to put him down again, since they're carrying the armor with them... Which, admittedly, sounds like an interesting idea but I think it's a little flawed if Graveknights rebuild their body bit by bit near their armor in a similar manner to liches.

>>43683348
That's weird. Mine has 7, although he's also shit at diplomacy. Is your player Australian?

Are there any fat waifus to be had, monster or otherwise?

>>43682967
Let go of the "focus of their unholy power" bit. I agree with you about the fact that it's their armor and the description really gives the impression that they're going to be wearing it, but a lich's phylactery could be called the focus of their unholy power too, yet they hide those. It being the key to their immortality and powers is clearly not a reason for them to keep it on their person.

>>43683380
You're just asking for the muse again

>>43683380
Muse.

>>43683358
No. He's American.

>>43683350
Like I said it's the martial version of the Lich, therefor it must be worse. How it should work, is that after 1d10 days he's instantly regenerated.

>>43683401
Stop having a complex about being oppressed by Paizo. Yes, they favor casters over martials, but no that doesn't mean "it's the martial version of the Lich, therefor it must be worse" makes a bit of sense as justification for why you should take a weaker interpretation of its text when debating on how it works.

>>43683401
Graveknight's armor calls on a PC to try to put it on. If they fail to resist the call, they go full evil on the party and fight until armored dude is dead or the party is dead. Of course, a few days later, the graveknight regenerates and destroys the guy in the armor.

>>43683449
Worse meaning a more terrifying prospect than just a normal lich.

>>43683380
The Mother Of Monsters
There are female Demodands

>>43683449
I agree I'm harder on it than I should be, for some reason the Graveknight template annoys me more than it should.

>>43682656
It's DTG's game, so take it with a grain of salt.
>Human Monk (Master of Many Styles)//Druid (Spherecasting, Wild Whisperer)
>Half-Elf Warder (Zweihander Sentinel)//Investigator (Empiricist)
>Human Warlord (Bushi)//Aegis
>Human Aegis//Cryptic (Circuitbreaker, Grammaton)/PsyWar (Reactor Knight)
>Hobgoblin Brawler//Stalker
>Tiefling Dread//Zealot

To settle this Graveknight debate, the Graveknight Frost Giant in Giant Slayer (#94, Ice Tomb of the Giant Queen) actually hides a single chain link from her chainmail armor so that when her armor is inevitably destroyed, she can still reanimate from the single chain. The adventure pretty much assumes she does so and causes trouble for the PCs later.

So even if a Graveknight can't remove their armor, they only need to seed a bunch of pieces in secret to ensure their survival.

>>43683552
Cont:
Which means that the Graveknight is actually more powerful than the Lich since the Graveknight can have multiple reanimation points while the Lich only has the one and destroying a phylactery is a lot easier than destroying every fragment of the Graveknights armor scattered around the world.

>>43683569
Can they select an entire plane of existence as their phylactery, though?

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>>43683552
How did she get a single chain off the armor when the armor is nearly indestructible?

Speaking of fat waifus and Giant Slayer... I'd hit it.

>>43683589
Aren't phylacteries wondrous items worth 120 thousand gold?

>>43683596
Not sure, you'll have to ask Jim Groves, but it's official.

>>43683589
Probably not, but since the armor regenerates, the Graveknight could have multiple pieces of their armor on every plane of existence, so they theoretically can have unlimited phylacteries.

>>43683628
So? Just spend 60k on the Prime Material and say it's your phylactery. Slotless wondrous item that grants you the power of existing.

>>43683552
>>43683641
Interesting.....There's a lot of errors in the APs but I'll take it. Thanks Anon!

>>43683507
>The Mother Of Monsters
Thanks. Where are some good depictions of her?

>>43683654
Prime Material is not a wonderous item, unless I'm mistaken.

A Serpentine-blooded Sorcerer gains a familiar from their 3rd level bloodline power (Serpentfriend), but they don't get to choose- it must be a viper. They also count their Wizard level for their familiar as their Sorcerer level -2. I have a couple questions about it.

First, can they take Improved Familiar, and if so do you think it's most reasonable that they 1) have no limit on what kind of improved familiar they can take, 2) have to keep their viper but can apply one of the templates like Celestial or Clockwork that Improved Familiar allows, or 3) can take any Improved Familiar that fits with the serpent theme, such as a Raktavarna Rakshasa or a Protean Voidworm?

Secondly, since they count as their Sorcerer level -2 for their familiar, does that mean they must be two levels higher than the listed minimum level to gain a particular improved familiar? Or does the fact that the requirement is "Arcane spellcaster level" mean that their actual Sorcerer level is used and not their effective Wizard level?

>>43683227
Well I'll be damned. I thought for a second that that might be some weirdness with the SRD, but I checked the PRD and it has the exact same text.

I even opened the CRB and, yep, 15.

Though all of these also list the "Standard" stat generation method as 4d6 drop lowest

>>43683654
If that's an acceptable argument, then I see no problem with a Graveknight removing their armor and hiding it.
Frankly, your whole post reeks of retard and makes no sense given the context of the Lich template.

>>43683690
No, it's the raw material for the item you're making out of it.


>>43683700
> I see no problem with a Graveknight removing their armor and hiding it.
Neither do I.
>Frankly, your whole post reeks of retard and makes no sense given the context of the Lich template.
You sound salty.

>>43683589
If they have a burrow speed, I'd say it makes about as much sense as a lich doing it. The Material Plane would be really fucking good armor, since it gives you total concealment.

>>43683709
Not salty, mildly annoyed. Were you my player, I would slap you.
As a Lich, can I designate the existential emotion of love as my Phylactery?

>>43683724
Sure, all you have to do is make 120k worth of love. You'll need a lot of expensive whores for that.

>>43683696
It depends if you count being able to replace a dead familiar as "ability to acquire a new familiar" for the prerequisite of the feat. I would rule that it does not, as it's not really acquiring a new familiar so much as replacing a dead one. You can always get an improved familiar as a second familiar through eldritch heritage if you don't mind spending the three feats.

>>43683690
>Prime Material
Is this actually a thing?

>>43683665
And as expected there's an error. Graveknights have to use heavy armor as their focus and Skirkatla is using chainmail, which is medium. With one hand paizo giveth and with the other they take away.

>>43683751
I thought any class features that grant you a familiar merely stack their levels with each other, rather than granting you multiple familiars?

What I want to know about the Serpentine bloodline is if the level 20 ability "You may use serpent’s fang as often as desired" means that you can use serpent's fang even if you don't have the serpent's fang bloodline power. Does Scaled Soul give it as a freebie? If so, can you use it like the extraordinary ability it is, or only when the supernatural level 20 ability is in effect?

>>43683761
Are you sure it's not a special material that makes it count as heavy armor? I noticed that too, but was more amazed that she was able to separate a chain from her armor.

>>43683780
Nope. You are thinking of class features from different classes! >:3

>>43683809
>>:3
Die screaming.

>>43683785
I would say yes, it effectively gives you the Serpent's Fang power as a freebie, but since it's at 20th level you probably shouldn't worry about it. I have to assume you're asking for a Cross-blooded Sorcerer, and I wouldn't let gaining it at 20th level factor into whether I take Serpent's Fang or my other choice for 1st-level bloodline power.

>>43683809
Okay, well I might take that then, although I feel like some DMs might not let me have two familiars at once, either for mechanical or for fluff reasons.

I also wasn't sure if Sorcerers could take Eldritch Heritage or not, but looking at the feat it's actually very clear that they can since it spells out specifically how it works for Sorcerers. Mine is a Cross-blooded Sorcerer and since a whole part of his fluff is having a convoluted family tree that he's trying to figure out, it actually might be kind of fitting.

>>43683809
Nope, to add insult to injury, it's actually mithral....

>>43683867
If you're crossblooded, you could be Serpentine/Arcane (like me!) if it's not too late, and just get the familiar that way. The other cool thing about being a Crossblooded Arcane Sorcerer is that the level 3 bloodline power turns into the level 20 bloodline power at level 20, effectively letting you take two level 20 bloodline powers, meaning a Serpentine/Arcane Sorcerer can have 2 more bloodline powers than usual, if you get Serpent's Fangs at level 20.

How did you know I was crossblooded? Are the other archetypes that bad?

I like to build characters that are optimal at level 20, even though it's somewhat impractical, so I would probably skip over Serpent's Fang even if it weren't much less appealing to me than the Arcane Bloodline options.

>>43683867
By the way, if you're looking for advice, the Dweomercat Cub seems like a good choice for Improved Familiar. I'm not sure what /pfg/ thinks is the best, but surely they are near the top.

>>43683964
There's a build that makes the Dweomercat cubs a decent companion for the Magus and Fighter.

For a Warder, what is the best way to deal with flying enemies?

What are some good ways to acquire teleportation?

Is there any way aside from boosting my Sense Motive and a Cloak of Resistance/stat items to actually boost saves?

>>43684026
Get a stance that gives you flying, or a Cone/AoE maneuver.
Permanent teleportation? Not really sure
Martial Traditions, and the Black Seraph Style can give you a nice boost to saves.

>>43683941
I've already decided on Serpentine/Fey, but it is very amusing to run into another person with a Cross-Blooded Serpentine/whatever character. Collecting on the Arcane Bloodline via Eldritch Heritage also appeals to me because of the School Power Bloodline ability, since my character specializes in Enchantment spells and pumping their DC to even more ridiculous levels tickles my fancy. I don't have a particular game for this character yet (or else I'd just have asked my DM how he would handle the interaction of Serpentfriend and Improved Familiar) but I'm still inclined to think that when I do eventually play him in a game I wouldn't be allowed two familiars. Maybe it would make some DMs more inclined to allow me to pick up Improved Familiar if they don't think I normally qualify for it, and/or allow the abilities to sorta stack in the form of removing the -2 penalty to my effective Wizard level.

Anyway, I suspected you had to be Cross-Blooded because it's the most likely (possibly only?) way you could have the 20th level Bloodline power without having the 1st level Bloodline.

>>43683964
As far as the actual choice of Improved Familiar goes, no, but thank you anyway. I'm more curious about what most people think the appropriate way to handle Serpentfriend and the Improved Familiar feat are, so I can build the character. I already know what my favorite Improved Familiars are (Faerie Dragon and Imp, with honorable mentions to Shadow Drake and Dweomercat Cub for being neat) and what my actual choice will be for this character assuming I have one (the Raktavarna, since it fits both the snake theme and coincidentally matches my character's alignment along with being pretty cool).

>>43684067
You cannot gain School Power from Eldritch Heritage- it only gives you the 1st-level bloodline power.

>Anyway, I suspected you had to be Cross-Blooded because it's the most likely (possibly only?) way you could have the 20th level Bloodline power without having the 1st level Bloodline.
No. I, too, specialize in enchantments. I take it primarily for the Serpentine bloodline arcana and Dominate Monster as a bonus spell. My character is a Wordcaster, so getting a powerful enchantment spell from the sorcerer spell list is huge.

Are you a wordcaster as well? What is your race? It'd be HILARIOUS if we had virtually the same build. I almost made my character Arcane/Fey!!!

>>43684197
Oops I misread this part
>Anyway, I suspected you had to be Cross-Blooded because it's the most likely (possibly only?) way you could have the 20th level Bloodline power without having the 1st level Bloodline.
I could also have been a dragon drinker, eldritch scrapper, or tattooed sorcerer.

>>43684197
>You cannot gain School Power from Eldritch Heritage- it only gives you the 1st-level bloodline power.

No, of course not, but I meant gaining it from continuing to take the Eldritch Heritage feats.

>Are you a wordcaster as well?
I'm not planning on making him one, since in my experience wordcasting is rarely allowed. As for race, he's a human. Dat bonus feat, man.

Anyway, I'm off to bed, seeing as it's pretty late and I have stuff I need to do tomorrow.

>>43684245
Oops. I forgot you could take it more than once. Goodnight, my fellow high-DC serpentine enchanter!

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>>43683743

New thread:
>>43684462
>>43684462

>>43684016
Which?

>>43680553
No, she's canonically stronger than he is.

She just didn't lift a finger to stop him.

>>43682642
Princess Olga of Kiev. A fascinating person, really

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>>43685804

He looks 100% like elijah woods.