Warhammer 40K: End Times?

>>43646079

Do you WANT Age of Sigmar? Because this is how you get Age of Sigmar, Lana!

>>43646079
If the Imperium wins that would be hilarious, seeing as super grim dark 40k has a happy ending compared to the brighter Warhammer Fantasy.

>>43646174
I'm just curious what people would want if there was no choice. All in all, it hopefully does not come to this.

>>43646217
I personally think GW would just let the Tyranids eat everything and call it a day.

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>>43646079
Every one in the imperium is armed and every single person goes on a gigantic crusade, doomed to fail obviously, but they go out with a big fucking bang, a bang that ends whole sectors of the galaxy.
Boner inspiring battles.

>>43646174
I'm an AoS fan, and I'm pretty sure that won't happen to 40k, nor do I think it needs it.

A rumor happened that GW intends to have different tiers of games

AoS is the beginners tier, the gateway game. Simple rules, cheaper to get into, etc.
40k is the intermediate to expert game.
Horus Heresy is for the veterans.

The one thing that could happen, without waking the emperor up, is the realm of the ultramarines goes boom, with a portion of their chapter in retreat with gullimans status pod. This, along with the black crusade still going, blood angels holding of the nids, tau doing their best Mary Sue impression.

They don't have to age of sigmar it, and it brings a whole new level of desperation into it.

As long as a primarch doesn't come back to life or just come back, we ok.should

>>43651024

40k is already prepped for End Times. All they have to do is progress with the non-imperial forces pushing the offensive.

13th Black Crusade breaks out of Cadia. Tau keep on expanding. Hive Fleets keep coming. Necrons keep awakening. More Ork Waaaghs crop up. Armageddon spills out to other systems.

It's all there already.

>>43651024
>tau doing their best Mary Sue impression.

>The Tau didn't do anything impressive!
>OMG LOOK WHAT THE TAU DID MARY SUES MARY SUES

I swear you guys flip flop each day.

>>43651041

Pretty sure the new Tau releases where all of a sudden they start owning everyone and killing off chapter masters and beating named heroes like Khan have something to do with that.

>>43646079

Warhammer 40,000: Time of Ending

Book 1- Terra
Abaddon launches the 13th Black Crusade with the Daemon Primarchs. Cadia is shattered and Chaos spills into realspace. Invasions and Daemonic incursion all across the galaxy. Imperium forced to abandon major warzones. Chaos reaches Sol and begins the Second Siege of Terra.
Behind the traitor assault, Corax and Russ return from the Eye. Cypher enters the Palace and makes peace with the Emperor, restoring the Lion to life. Dorn reveals himself as the Emperor’s Praetorian, emerging from the throne room to kill Cypher.
Abaddon succeeds where Horus failed and enters the Emperor’s sanctum. Drach’nyen is screaming for the kill but the Emperor dies to the Talon of Horus. His death creates a shockwave from 10,000 years of psychic buildup- Abaddon and the palace are destroyed. Within the warp, the Astronomicon becomes a supernova.

Book 2- Rhana Dandra
With the death of Abaddon and the Emperor, Chaos is unshackled and separates. Comorragh and the Craftworlds see the End Times approaching and unite. The Emperor’s death created enough psychic turbulence to raise Ynnead without needing the Eldar’s extinction. Ynnead battles Slaanesh within the warp as the Eldar battle Chaos in the Webway and realspace.
Ahriman enters the Black Library and uses the lore to open The Gate of Khaine, causing Daemons to flood into Comorragh. Battles in the streets as the entire city mobilises for war and Jaghatai is unleashed from the Cult arenas. Vect is forced to abandon the city as realms collapse into black holes and exposure to the Warp, and Jaghatai follows with them.
At the same time, the Craftworlds are dying to the traitor fleets. Ulthwe returns to the Crone Worlds under the guidance of the Harlequins. Ynnead is broken by Slaanesh but Cegorach emerges and using the souls of the Crone World dead, enacts his ‘ultimate jest’. Slaanesh consumes itself and the Eldar are freed from Her thirst as a single, united faction.

>>43651055

Book 3- Mars
The shattered Cadian Pylons and reforged Eldar have awoken the Necrons. The Silent King returns and arrives on Mars. He bonds with the shard of the Void Dragon, becoming a C’tan-Necron hybrid. Half of the Mechanicus sees Him as the Omnissiah and revolts, joining the Necrons.
The traitor Mechanicus provide the Silent King with the corpse of Ferrus Manus, who is possessed by a shard of Azirnoth and reborn. He has a Necrodermis body but the memories of Ferrus. He leads the loyalist Mechanicus into a civil war against the Silent King. This escalates as the Eldar engage the Necrons. Ferrus attacks Trazyn’s gallery and restores Vulkan.
Facing war from Ferrus’ Loyalists, Eldar and Chaos simultaneously, the Necrons call an armistice with the Imperium. Mars is divorced from the Imperium but serves as an ambassador to the Necrons.

Book 4- Xenocide
Following the Emperor’s death-flare as a beacon, the main Tyranid fleet arrives. To counter, Ghazghkull unites the Orks of Charadon and Octarius into a single WAAAGH! The Orks are revealed as the Old One’s failsafe to protect the galaxy from foreign invaders. The Eldar reveal themselves as the uplifters of the Tau, as the Old Ones did for the Orks and Eldar before them.
The Orks and Tyranids enter a sector-wide war. The Tyranids are an unstoppable mass of constantly-evolving monsters where the Orks engineered DNA drives them to be even stronger than ever before. At the same time, the fully-manifested Outsider returns in Her Dyson Sphere and leads an army of heretical Necrons. The Silent King is forced to fight to prevent the return of the unbound C’tan.
The three xeno superpowers plunge the sector into total war, eclipsing any engagement in the galaxy’s history. The Eldar and Tau work together by making surgical strikes to maintain the balance. Technology from the War in Heaven is unleashed. Suddenly, the Astronomicon flutters back into life in Ultramar, and the Tyranid fleet follows with it.

>>43651065

Book 5- Imperator
Ka’Bhanda leads the forces of Khorne against Baal. Draigo enacts the Terminus Decree, allowing the Emperor to reincarnate into Guilliman’s body. As Ka’Bhanda breaks Sanguinor, the Emperor imbues him with power. The Daemon is slain and using his essence alongside the Emperor’s, Sanguinor is restored with the spirit of Sanguinius.
Imperia Secundus is launched with Macragge as the throneworld under the guidance of the Emperor and Primarchs. Surviving humans arrive from across the galaxy as refugees. There is an uneasy ceasefire between the Imperia, Eldar and Necron empires. Beyond the Orks, Tyranids and Chaos exist as superpowers.

Aftermath
Imperia Secundus- Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Imperial Agents. Based in Ultramar under the full cast of Primarchs and Emperor. Exists as a shadow of the Imperium but utopian and higher concentration of military forces.
Necrons- Fully reawakened under the Necron-C’tan hybrid Silent King. The Mechanicus serves under them. Have a ceasefire with the Imperium Secundus but the Outsider leads a rival sect.
Highborn- Conglomeration of the Craftworlders, Dark Eldar, Harlequins and Tau. Make unpredictable attacks against all but especially against the Necrons. Trying to take the place of the Old Ones and finish the War in Heaven.
Orks- United under Ghazghkull who is channelling the power of Gork and Mork. Have experienced a divine uplifting as their engineered DNA is fully unlocked. Fighting to protect the genetic diversity of the galaxy in their own special way.
Tyranids- The full swarm has arrived. Unprecedented scale has provided almost unlimited biomass and evolving at a rate never seen before. Drawn to the Emperor’s psychic presence.
Chaos- The Eye has opened and Terra itself is a Daemon-haunted nightmare. With Abaddon dead, cohesion is lost as the Daemon Primarchs prosecute the Great Game.

> The Age of the Imperium is over. Now dawns the Age of Ultramar.

>>43646079
Everybody dies just as sigmar eakes up.and realizes it was all a dream, queue dramatic music 40k is now fantasy with the same rule set in Age of Sigmar 2 : Sigmars Dreams

>>43651039
Here are the plotlines

>Tau keep on expanding

Massive war with the Imperium is coming. The Imperium is throwing everything they got at the Tau in the Eastern Fringes.

The Tau face their greatest challenge yet and Farsight will throw himself into a war that will decide the fate of the Tau forever.

>Hive Fleets keep coming

Leviathan is making its way to Terra. It's already is Segumentum Solar and all efforts to stop it has proven to be in vain.

>Necrons keep awakening.

Imotekh is implied to gearing for an invasion of Ultramar but according to Matt Ward the Necrons have mysteriously gone quiet in 999 41K.

> More Ork Waaaghs crop up. Armageddon spills out to other systems.

Ghaz is organizing masssives wars all over the place and using his new psychic powers to direct his Orks all across the galaxy. He plans to gather enough Waaagh! energy to summon Gork and Mork into reality.

>>43651055
>>43651065
>>43651075
I can't see an End Times without the Necrons on top.

They have effective time travel and a theoretical way to lock the Warp out of reality.

They also have the power to destroy beings that were almost equal to the Chaos Gods but in real space.

>>43651053
The thing is....

>They did that and that May sues mary sues!

And then be like a day later

>It was just a small force. It's nothing. The Tau are nothing!

Make up your minds, anons.

>>43651105
Only one Necron can time travel and isn't willingly to share his gift with anyone.

I'd be more interested in exploring 50K The Ship Moves, than anything GW tries to shit out. Reading those threads was the most interested I've been in a warhammer-style setting in a long time.

>>43651055
>>43651065
>>43651075
This is the most likely scenario. Humans are fucked, taudar are victorious, tyranids eat humans and orks, Chaos is victorious, Carnac is still not pleased.

>>43651154

>Humans are fucked

Wot mate? They got the Emperor and a shitload of Primarchs back in that hypothetical. They're down but they're not out.

>>43646269
>Tyranids conquer realspace
>chaos conquers warpspace
The only thing I can't get is how the nids would wipe out the necrons.

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>>43651301
In WHFB, humans gods and demigods returned to save their people. They all failed.

>>43651335
Chaos already rules warpspace. They are stated to be its undisputed masters in the main rulebook.

>>43651341

Yes but in 40k theres no god damn Mannfred to fuck everyone over.

Oh Vlad..why didn't you just kill him

>>43651154
I am pretty sure that the trillions of necrons, even splintered and awakening in small batches, are powerful and numerous enough to take them on.

Necrons and 'Nids are the strongest two factions even with Abbadon breaking the blockade on the Eye.

>>43651627

Tyranids are only the strongest because they have 100% energy conservation and are actually unified. Necrons trump Tyranids due to gauss destroying matter and Orks are stronger than Tyranids if unified. Chaos also exists outside of the Materium and GW really wants to push Chaos as the ultimate antagonist. So I wouldn't say Necrons and Tyranids alone are the two strongest. After all, Tyranids avoid Necron worlds while other factions happily fight and even beat Necrons.

>>43646079
I would rather not see modern GW trying to advance the main plot of anything they own. They are notoriously bad at making fluff now.

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How long before the Tau successfully build something like a Dyson Sphere or begin mass-producing star-killers? Some of their suns have gone supernova with the first attempts.

>>43652085

Nids avoid Necron worlds because they're not worth fighting, not because they're unable to win against them.

>>43652159

They can do it if they ever decide to. It doesn't look like they care enough since they are focusing on things like nova reactors instead.

Given their rapid rate of technological advancement and prototyping, in addition to the fact that they have a fairly expansive interstellar empire (from a modern day perspective), they definitely have the means to build at least one dyson sphere.

>>43651335
It depends how big the main fleet is, Crons are powerful as fuck BUT they aren't united enough to be THAT big of a threat (yet anyway)

If they were to all unite and wake, then they could pretty much faceroll the galaxy, but if the tyranids do honestly have several galaxies worth of biomass, then they will just win, doesn't matter how united the galaxy is, when the tyranids outnumber you 100000000000 to 1

Knowing GW though they will just say "chaos is the big bad and suddenly appear and start winning everything omg"

>>43652085
Except Tyranids and Necrons ARE the 2 strongest, going by how much headway they've made in the last couple of centuries and how powerful they're made out to be.

>>43652085
>Orks are stronger than Tyranids if unified
>Ork players actually believe this

>>43652217

If you're going to only measure by headway then Tau are technically the strongest.

>>43646269
If by some chance, the imperium decided to share tech and space and call an alliance (a proper one with no backstabbing) with the tau and eldar, and the eldar were totally up for helping technologically advancing the imperium/ tau

Could the Imperium of Taudar hold off Chaos? Crons? Nids?

>>43652224

Orks faught Tyranids to a standstill. I'm a space marine player.

>>43652224
Not him, but if all Orks did unite for some insane reason there would probably not be anyone able to stand against them.

>>43652085
Necrons > Tyranids = unified Orks (kek) > Imperium > Chaos

>>43652234
AdMech would never let that happen. The Imperium would have to change at a fundamental level.

>>43652226
Tau simply don't have the man power, chaos has been at it for 1000s of years and hasn't beaten the imperium yet, nids showed up with innumerable amount of ships and have wreaked hundreds of systems. Crons have the most advanced tech and are almost as numerous as the imperium

>>43652240
Tyranids with 12 galaxies consumed >>> United necrons > Necrons > Unified Orks > Current tyranid fleets > Imperium > Chaos > Eldar > Tau

>>43652248
>if by some chance
You know when someone speculates? And says "hey I know it wouldn't happen but what if?"

Replying with just "wouldn't happen" doesn't add anything, so thanks for your contribution

>>43652240
I would put Chaos as a potential at the top of the list because Chaos has no real limits and it can always grow stronger.

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>>43652258

Most galaxies in our local group are rather small. 12 galaxies is not as impressive as you think.

>>43652235
*Fought

Tyranids were actually winning and making headway, Eldar destroyed a bunch of worlds around the hive fleet to stop them advancing, nids recovered from this and started getting the upper hand again, then ghazzy showed up with more orks and they're now at a standstill

>>43652263
AdMech is in charge of the Imperiums tech and they consider Xeno tech to be heretical. So naturally they wouldn't want Xenos to even be allowed to tamper with what they consider sacred.

>>43652269
>12 galaxies is not as impressive as you think.

Its a FUCKTON more impressive than you are making it, Nids take soil, atmosphere, water, minerals and biosmass, if they consumed a dozen galaxies they pretty much have so many tyranids that nothing can stop them.

>>43652278
Are you being purposefully dense? I am literally saying I KNOW that it wouldn't happen, but IF it could, would they stand a chance

Tau and Eldar would help Imperium.

Chaos would be gridlocked

Orks and Nids would be pushing everyones shit in

Necrons going to Necron

>>43652288
>Necrons sleep it out
>again

Warhammer 40k Andromeda

>>43652258
I put united Necrons before Tyranids because spooky metal skeletons can annihilate incoming Tyranid biomass faster than Tyranid fleets arrive. Tyranids would be slowly grinded to the last gaunt.

>>43652286
For it to happen the Imperium would probably have gone throughout other devastating civil war that destroyed or reformed the AdMech into something else.

>>43652278
> So naturally they wouldn't want Xenos to even be allowed to tamper with what they consider sacred.

The Cult Mechanicus codex includes a snippet of fluff, wherein a group of Techpriests search for a solution to the failing Golden Throne by journeying to Commoragh and striking a deal with the Haemonculi. It's not described what that deal actually is, but even so. Desperate times, desperate measures.

I think there are heretical Techpriest within the Tau Empire. They could produce a schism with the Admech and form their own thing.

>>43652265
Using power of bullshit in dick measuring contest is unsporting behaviour and depends on whether Tyranids or Chaos consumed the rest of the Universe.

>>43647156
I almost choke to death with the joke of cheaper to get into.

GW is the most overpriced piece of shit ever to exist. On the level of Apple.

>>43652348
Chaos always wins because it's made out plot that shits on expectations and realism.

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>>43652258
A united Necron Empire would have total control over the galaxy. No matter how many Tyranids out there, Necrons would crush them because they control the battefield.

>>43652332
It says they met an someone beneath the Dark City. It could be the Haemonculi, it could be murder clowns, and it might be Necrons for we know.

>>43652421
I don't think you realise quite how numerable they would be if they had consumed other galaxies, they would have billions of "hive fleets" septillions of hive ships. The tyranids themselves would be so many, they would and could bit by bit wear the necrons down

>>43652234
The Imperium becoming allies with the Tau would be a nice move for their own benefit, if the Imperium deviated from their "Fucking kill everything" for just a fucking second.

> They get Tau tech, and merge it with their own. Anyone that raises its voice against that gets BLAMed with pulse bolters.
> They get chaos-immune cannon fodder to fight that shit for them
> They stop wasting precious ships ans ressources trying to exterminate noblebright xenos who are willing to ally, and redirect those on needing hotzones instead

>>43652459
The problem with that is that the Necrons have no biomass to consume. It would turn into a war of attrition that the Tyranids cannot win. Necrons repair and respawn, and eventually the Tyranids could not. While the Tyranids would have the initial advantage, the mechanical nature of the Necrons would lead to an eventual victory.

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>>43652459
It does not matter. Solar weapons, blackholes, and whatever Necron superweapons can do would devastate the Hive fleets in space with ease. Galactic shaping technology of the Necrons would alter the galaxy to control the flow of the Tyranids and direct them to killing grounds. That's all in space.

> they would and could bit by bit wear the necrons down

Impossible.

Beating Necrons in attrition is impossible. Necrons can break down any substance into pure energy and use that energy to supply their armies or create more even armies. While the Tyranids are struggling with fighting a foe that gives no biomass and takes from them their biomass, the Necrons will use their cenoptek scarabs to harvest the corpses of the Tyranids (or anything within reach) to create how legions of Cenoptek kill machines.

Emperor stands back up


Opens vault

Primarch lab 2.0

Great Crusade 2 is go

Deus Vult

>>43652500
whole*

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>>43652500
Lets not forget that Necron null technology wreaks havoc on the hivemind and synaptic creatures.

Really the Necrons are a hard counter for the Tyranids.

>>43647156
>I'm an AoS fan
Then your opinion is invalid

>>43652348
I would go with the logic that Chaos is GW's one true evil pet faction and it will always steal the spotlight.

Chaos is written in such a way that nothing you ever do to fight it ultimately matters.

>>43652736
Of course, Man cannot defeat himself. Chaos is just the sins of men turned back unto them. Chaos is the punishment for millions of years of genocide, hate, greed, and general assholery.

If man overcomes Chaos, what kind of message does that dend? That he is beyond the consequences of is actions?

Chaos used to be a lot nicer and more calm before the Old Ones, the Eldar, and Humans started messing with it.

>>43652810
A conflict that the loathsome Necrons started. They deserve everything bad that happened to them.

>>43652803

Hey, you cant blame humanity for old She who Thirsts.

Its not just mankinds fault.

>>43652839
Everything bad that happens in the Warp can be attributed to any species that has a presence in it.

>>43652848
It only shows that the Warp is the local phenomenon in the Milky Way. If all sentient beings in the universe had presence in it, Warp would be fucked way before War in Heavens and Slaanesh.

>>43652901
Well, I think one of the Chaos codexes did mention at Chaos apparently has destroyed much of the universe already. So they are not restricted to the Milky Way.

>>43652901
The Hivemind functions through the Warp.

>>43651105
Necrons cannot win because of the nature of their faction. They aren't one of the main flagship factions so GW would never write them as a winner. Just like DE, Tau, and maybe tyranids (arguable).

If GW advanced the timeline it would either be Imperium, orks, Eldar, or chaos as they are the main factions.

>>43652929
>Chaos apparently has destroyed much of the universe already
Then where do multiple Tyranid fleets come from? This is Carnac level of faggotry.

>>43652981
Somewhere else? Are you retarded, autistic, or both?

>>43652981
The universe contains an absurd amount of galaxies. If the Tyranids eats like 12 of them there are still plenty of galaxies to go around for aeons of time. That is unless Chaos has been destroying billions of galaxies when no one was looking.

>>43652970
Imperium will never win and in all parts of advanced timeline it will job hard and achieve Pyrrhic victories at best.

>>43653009
That's the point. This whole argument is retarded because 40k is a setting not a plot. It's like speculating what faction will rule the US in the Fallout universe if they "advance the plot." It's retarded because that's not what it's about. It's about the individual stories told within the setting not weather or not the NCR expands eastward.

>>43653042
This.

WHFB did not benefit from writing an ending to it.

>>43653042
That line of argument is no longer valid after the WHFB End Times.

>>43652970
Don't fucking go meta on us. We discussing the lore as it is now.

>Orks
>Main players

Spotted the Orkfag.

>>43652901

I think Chaos is an insular phenomenon made manifest in the Milky Way. The Warp might exist in other places, but it might be still calm or have their own gods.

>>43653008
Impact of such catastrophe would be noticeable both in material and immaterial realm. If most of the universe was gone, the rest of it would cease to exist as well.

>>43653074
In the Space Wolves codex GW also says that vacuum has a cold temperature.

GW doesn't understand science.

There won't be 40k End of Times unless the sales become unsustainable and/or Age of Sigmar bombs.

>>43653074
In WHFB, it's said that Chaos, after wrecking the old world, turned their attention to other worlds and realities.

The 8 Realms in AoS are each a universe unto itself. Near-infinite with countless worlds and sub-realms. Chaos conquered them all save one. Don't doubt Chaos.

I don't really think they could believably advance the plot.

Whilst the End Times did piss a lot of people off with the change in setting, basically everyone didn't come out too badly (based on the word of my little brother, who still played fantasy). Sure, a lot of races didn't do as well as The Empire, but they didn't disintergrate into nothing. They worked together, and things turned out to be sort of not hellish for everyone.

But in 40k, everyone is too insular. Certainly, the Imperial factions could collude, but because of everything that makes it what it is, the Imperium cannot co-exist with Eldar, Tau, or whatever.

Necrons want to kill everything. Tyranids want to eat everything. Orks want to fight everything. Dark Eldar want to fuck and then eat everything. Chaos wants to unmake everything.

All of these goals are non-compatible. As are the "good" guys - Eldar wouldn't side with the primitive mon-keigh, Imperials wouldn't stop killing the Xeons, and the Tau wouldn't let SpaceElves out from under the Greater Good.

>>43653125
Not him, but I doubt the AoS writers ability to spin an interesting narrative.

>>43653133
The End Times was bad because it was all about special characters.

>>43653133
>All of these goals are non-compatible. As are the "good" guys - Eldar wouldn't side with the primitive mon-keigh, Imperials wouldn't stop killing the Xeons, and the Tau wouldn't let SpaceElves out from under the Greater Good.
Except that Eldar, Tau, and Imperials have sided with each other before against the greater threats, and will do so again.

>Necrons want to kill everything.

They do not.

>>43653149
No. Please. Make it stop. REEEEEEEEE

>>43653149
Everything is also put on square bases just because.

>>43652461
>if the Imperium deviated from their "Fucking kill everything" for just a fucking second.

They alrrady do when convenient, tau are considered a moral threat though

>>43653210
Yeah, they sometimes work with Eldars because they know Eldars hates the same thing they do.

>>43652500
>>43652559
Unless the tyranids adapt, which is their forte.
Necron tech is pretty much stagnant on the other side.

>>43653222
Do you mean Eldar?

And they don't really in the grand scheme of things, you're letting your headcanon speak.

>>43653234
Nah, Eldars hates Chaos, Necrons, Orks and Tyranids. The Imperium are not a fan of those either.

After they had a truce to deal with this they go back to killing eachother.

>>43653228
You can't adapt to something that rips you apart at an atomic level. You cannot adapt to something that beams you to another dimension.

And Necron technology is not stagnant. Cryptek are still researching new technologies and inventing new wargear. Take Szeras for example who invented new mods for the Necron armies.

>>43653271
Tyranids adapts through the Hivemind, not just genetic memory.

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>>43653125
I don't believe Chaos. EoT and AoS suck ass.

>>43653285
I don't know what you arguing for but nothing that the Hivemind can do can stop a hive fleet from being sucked into a wormhole.

>>43646079
>Chaos wants grimdark
>Nurgle makes fat green fuckfucks
>Khorne makes red bloody fuckidyfuckies
>Tzeentch goes "hurrmhurhurhur" and sends his followers to find some fucking ancient toenail because it will play a big role in the coming cataclysm
>GW takes it as an opportunity to release stupid giant "miniatures"
>No more strategy, each game will consist of fielding 2 overkill giant mechaafucks
>Slaanesh beats off in a corner maintaining eye contact with every Eldar in existence
>It ends with darkness because how the fuck else is it supposed to end
>and REBOOT!
>Welcome to the age of Smegmar!
>Turns out smegmaroonie planned this shit all along!
>Spehss marines and all the futuristic shit hails from the "Techno-Fi" realm because "Sci-fi" is too generic a term and can't be trademarked
>Game is simplified to rolling 1 die. The number you get is the number of units in a squad you kill
>no points because "who needs points?!"
>All the races get name changes so that GW has a proper trademark hold on them.
>Eldar = Eldruthwar
>Orks = Orkorokorokoros
>Dark Eldar = Dildoqueens
>Necrons = Necritas
>Tau Empire = Bluevaginaheads

You guys do realise that debating nids vs crons is the unstoppable force vs the immovable object right,?

>>43653398
Nids actually have finite numbers.

>>43653342

....

I'd play Dildoqueens.

>>43653149

Quick! Design a Pulse Bolter that mixes Bolter tech and Pulse Tech.

GW definitely seem to be gearing for an End Times-styled story advancement soon.

In Fantasy we had the Elf books introduce more information about the Gods and Morathi getting the hots for Tyrion (which both played a role in Khaine), the Elven Princess was mentioned in HE and VC at the very least, Karak Eight Peaks and Belegar (or whoever) was focused on a little more in Dwarfs, the Be'lakor tome had an exchange between him and Mannfred implying Nagash's return etc.

Now in the last 2 years for 40k we've had:
- Dark Eldar and Harlequins mentioning the mysterious portal under Commoragh
- Cult Mechanicus apparently making a deal with Vect to save the Emperor (and may have given him the tech to keep said portal sealed)
- The Tyranid Leviathan Rises Dataslates and the Shield of Baal campaign having the 'Nids on their way to attack Baal (and in general getting closer to Terra)
- The Necrons seemingly gearing for war against the 'Nids
- Ghazghkull uniting the Orks for the Great Waaagh!
- The Imperium and Tau about to start the largest war they have ever had
- The 13th Black Crusade breaking out
- And probably some stuff in Dark Angels, Eldar, and other Codices I haven't read

>>43646079
>The Imperium takes the offensive against all enemy factions

Not possible. The Imperium is fucked in canon, regardless of how hard /tg/ likes to wank it.

Tau die. Eldar die. The Imperium dies. Chaos dies because the psychic races are basically extinct. The Orks fight to the bitter end and almost manage to deplete the Tyranids, who leave the galaxy having gained barely any biomass after having expended so much fighting. The Necrons inherit the smoldering ruins of the galaxy.

This is what happens in grimdark settings. Nothing good.

>>43653342
>mfw GW didn't even bother to google image search "dildoqueens" before making the change

>>43654063
>having gained barely any biomass after having expended so much fighting
But this is not the case, after killing everyone, assuming Necrons don't roflstomp them, they can attain 100% matter reagin from planets, so unless they lose everything in exterminatus level events, which I am sure sometimes would happen, they'll be ok for biomass because GW cannot into science on any level.

If more than one race decided to send their people into generational ships, would the Tyranids chase them or ignore them in favour of planets much richer in biomas than a lonely ship?

>>43654252
Yes.

>>43653285
Completely irrelevant.
By that logic the Tyranids shouldn't be sucked into a warp portal, since the ultramarines pulled that trick with Behemoth

>>43654454
Just saying that the Hivemind is constantly learning and adapting.

>>43654454
>It is not a single mind capable of small, conscious thought the way a Human's mind works, but instead it is a grand agglomeration created from the psychic presence of untold billions of Tyranid creatures. It is a nightmarish and unfathomable intelligence that allows Tyranids to coordinate and adapt as if every Tyranid creature is merely a part of a single massive organism, one which is utterly focused on consuming all other life.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hive_Mind

Release an abominable intelligence to fight against Tyranids.

>>43654510
Again, no matter how much the Hive Mind adapts , it can't adapt to being sucked into the warp

>>43654554
It will avoid traps eventually. The Hive Mind is probably the most intelligent thing in the setting.

>>43654570
>It will avoid traps eventually
You really can't plan for stuff like this, it's the same reason kamikazes and suicide bombers are so scary, once they've closed the distance you're fucked

>>43652682
>Then your opinion is invalid
nice meme XD

>>43654587
How often can Necrons reliably do this?

>>43654570

That depends on the Brain-to-body mass ratio. If it has to coordinate trillions of gaunts, the brainpower necessary to making plans goes down.

Also how coherent is the whole hivemind? Does it split when the distance between the fleets become too far?

>>43654676
Tyranids can be separated from the Hive Mind, but the Hive Mind does practise critical thinking to a certain level. It for instance refuse to re-absorbe certain genetic stock like the Ymgarl Genestealer for having undesirable genetic flaws.

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>>43653071
>Discussing 40k in the context of The End Times.
Shit was meta from jump street.

Not that guy, but Orks are one of the staples of the setting they've been present since Rogue Trader Era and have been featured in more 40k universe shit than any other antagonistic faction barring Chaos. They are and always have been one of the big main factions. Sorry, Taufag.

Having said that, Orks aren't gonna win shit. They have always been mooks and have existed so that Space Marines can kill lots of dudes.

>>43646079
>how would you like to see the plot advance?
I would like to see all the "missing" primarchs return for a final battle. I'd like to see the Phoenix Lords get some more love. And I'd like an explanation for the sanguinor.

>>43654656
As much as they want.

>>43654570
Actually Varro who connected with the Hivemind views Imotekh's mind as more dangerous than the Hivemind

>>43654764
They are not main players. The Greenskins were introduced first in WHFB and look how much input they had in the End Times.

The Orks/Orcs are secondary antagonists at best.

>>43654842
Isn't that because Imotekh uses imagination while Tyranids are all about trial and error?

>Tyranids vs Necrons
Remember the Shield of Baal campaign?

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My understanding was that 40k IS the End Times.

Shit's fucked no matter where you look and most of the gods are already dead.

>>43654868
Nah, Imotekh is mind hyperlogical to the point is seems like he is prescient. He is one of the most accomplished generals in the setting and his legend and deeds stretch back to the War of Heaven.

Unless you act retarded/illogical like the Orks or challenge him in martial combat, then you have little chance in beating him.

>>43654867
No shit. They are second (at best) to Chaos, like I said. They won't have any effect and exist as cannon fodder for the heroes, like I said.

Still one of the big 4 iconic factions though. IoM, Chaos, Orks and Eldar. From a meta standpoint one of them is going to "win." Spoilers:it would be Chaos because then nobody wins Saying Necrons, 'Nids or Tau are going to win is like saying Aegon VI is going to win the Iron Throne.

>>43654948
So to get the better of Imotekh you need to pretend to be retarded? Sounds like the Imperium might have a shot at it.

>>43654943
Chaos wins because GW has already decided that it does.

>>43655030
Except on the table

>>43654867
>the End Times
It was shit and written like shit

>>43653787

>Releasing new codexes and models for most factions
>End times coming soon

I don't know mane, not for the next two years anyway, unless they want to piss people off, I just dropped 500 on Tau myself.

>>43654993
One could say that Humans, Elves, Orks, and Chaos are the 4 iconic factions of WHFB and that means they are going to have an equal amount of input in the End Times story and factions like the Undead and Skaven woon't play much of a role. And that would be wrong.

Orcs in the End Times did not play any major role in the End Times. Guess who did? The Undead and Skaven.

Meta seniority means jackshit.

>>43655081
They released a bunch of stuff for WHFB until they dropped the End Times suddenly. GW likes to keep a poker face so no one can mess with their copyright.

>>43655024
You got to be Ork retarded. Nobody can be Ork retarded, except the Orks themselves.

>>43655127
What about Space Wolves?

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>>43655115

Damn

>>43655143
Logan atop his wolf chariot managed to defeat Imotekh's phalanxes.

.....Maybe.

>>43655167

People still play fantasy regularly and I have never seen anyone playing Age of Sigmar like ever.

>>43654063

Could the Dark Eldar survive given that they can hide within the Webway?

>>43652803
That man's better nature can overcome his darker nature. And that if the Imperium winning means selling more models, Chaos will lose. Checkmate, Chaosfag.

>>43652269
Do you guys understand that 12 galaxies worth of mater turned into nid'nid's means that the swarm would be even bigger than the milky way? You domt need to be fucking Sun Tzu to understand you're mathematically fucked.

>>43654993
>aegon VI
best guy for the job, apart from stannis

>>43655535
It's strange that the Tyranids have always existed and only ate 12 galaxies. Maybe they've been eating those 12 galaxies over and over since the beginning of time.

>>43655110
>One could say that Humans, Elves, Orks, and Chaos are the 4 iconic factions of WHFB
One could, but one would be wrong, considering how old and important Nagash is.

>>43655575

I've never heard about that 12 galaxies fluf. Did they ask a bro nid about it?

>>43655676
Check the rulebook. Older fluff implied 1000 galaxies have been eaten, which I like. I kind of like the idea that Tyranids are an ancient horror that has existed since the beginning of time and will continue to exist as long as life exists. Does this mean Nids are like daemons? Yes. But Nids don't screw around with reality like daemons and Orks however. Nids and Nidfags need some love. Why not say that the universe divided into two sections: eaten by Nids or Chaos, or do this for the 40k End Times: The Main Hive Fleet was one incredibly large bioship that swallowed the galaxy whole and now the inhabitants of the Milky Way Galaxy must fight their way out.

>>43655348
Even if they did, their nature would probably result in a conflict that disrupts the webway resulting in the end of Commorragh.

>>43655755
>The Main Hive Fleet was one incredibly large bioship that swallowed the galaxy whole and now the inhabitants of the Milky Way Galaxy must fight their way out.

Damn that's pretty smart, everyone working together against Tyranids.

>>43655755
It's likely that Chaos has destroyed more galaxies than the Tyranids because they are not limited by distance, logistics and resources.

>>43655781
Logically the Orks and Chaos wouldn't mind. Now I've gotten into a hole here with my own idea. How the heck would psykers, daemons work in the belly of the beast? It's not like the Warp goes wherever the galaxy goes. If it worked like that then the Chaos Gods might be okay with this, and use the Nids as a RV.
>>43655787
I know.

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Chaos and Tyranids are too mundane for truly universal threats. Call me when the Tyranids and Chaos can use pulsar stars as if they were mere bullets.

>>43656125
>Hydra Supercluster
>Home of the galaxy of Tyranids, Tyranid Prime

>>43655755
>ancient horror that has existed since the beginning of time and will continue to exist as long as life exists
Tyranids are probably engineered bio-weapon that got out of control like Orkz made by humans in other galaxy 20k years ago

>>43656306
That's a thing I have a problem with. Let Nids be their own thing. They have been called Penance of the Old Gods before, and the Old Gods were probably the Old Ones. Me? I like to think the Old Ones who didn't get killed in the War in Heaven tried modifying the Tyranids, and the Hive Mind didn't like that.

>>43656336
It would be best if GW never comes up with a solid origin. It would kill the mystery and make them mundane.

>>43656417
I gotcha.

>>43652512
Because primarch project worked so well last time

>>43655755
What i meant is how someone in the 40k universe got to the conclusion that nid had processed 12 galaxies already.

It's not like the nids are good at conversations.

>>43656625
Oh. I think there's a lot of in-universe speculation on the Nids.

>>43656125
What scares the shit outta me of that pic is the void zones.

Look at that Boötes Void, theres literally NOTHING there, just darkness. Pure nightmare fuel tbqh.

>>43657307
The Silent King has seen what goes on in the intergalactic void. Saw some pretty freaky things.
>tbqh
Cut that out.

>>43656537
It kind of worked for a little while.