FAVOURITE CHAPTER THREAD

>>43615764

inb4 SW
inb4 SW insults
inb4 Carcharodons
inb4 Carcharodons are NL argument
inb4 Lamenters
inb4 Lamenters hate
inb4 DA
inb4 DA arguments
inb4 BT

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>>43615935
IRON HANDS.

>>43615935
Mantis warriors
Get

KEK'D
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>>43615764
My own.

>>43615935
>inb4 SW
fuck those furfags
>inb4 SW insults
they speak truth, no I am no fagnus fan just both are faggots
>inb4 DA
so many dafags on this board
>inb4 DA arguments
do you mean trolling? other 40k fans troll DAfags by saying they and their legion are heretics and the DAfags always take the b8
>inb4 BT
They have a high presence on this board also

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>>43615764
Taurines best rines

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>>43616249
Those are robits. Also extremely heretical, and would bring so much of the hammer down on the Tau that it'd make The Scouring look like a scouting party as virtually every Chapter sends at least some forces to fuck up the Tau's day.

>>43616246
>do you mean trolling? other 40k fans troll DAfags by saying they and their legion are heretics and the DAfags always take the b8

Because we aren't heretics. plsnobully

Celestial lions because fuck the inquisition
Astral knights get an honorable mention

>>43616249
I had a homebrew chapter of a renegade sm chapter joining the tau. I didn't think it would work very well lorewise though

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One of /tg/'s homebrew chapters, the Star Krakens

>>43617405
Not really, no. Space Marines already chafe at taking orders from mortal humans, why on earth would they voluntarily subject themselves to the will of small, wimpy, short-lived xenos who cannot even comprehend simple facts of life such as Chaos corruption? It really just would not work out.

>>43617454
>nuke the polar caps
>commit underwater siege

>>43615961
MY BATTLE BROTHER

>>43616171
>keked by both sharks and "muh honor" astral claws
>double kek chapter

Sons of Antaeus

Moving the polls to this thread since the last favorite/best chapter thread died.

http://strawpoll.me/5930460/

http://strawpoll.me/5930460/

This time also with favorite 40k faction poll (based on the army list on GW's website.)

http://strawpoll.me/5992841

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BLEEDING IN MY SKIN
THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL

>>43617027
>fuck the inquisition
why how heretical

>>43617608

FEAR IS HOW THEY FALL
CHAINSWORDING ALL THAT'S REAL

>>43617480

You sure those aren't the Abyssal Jaws? Star Krakens are boarding-action specialists.

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>Dark Angels
Angsty robe wearers
>Blood Angels
Angsty make up wearers
>Space Wolves
Furries
>Iron Hands
Angsty Robots
>Imperial Fists
Angsty for both Dorne AND Emps
>White Scars
No one likes white scars, get out
>Ravenguard
So little to go off of I cant form an opinion
>Salamaders
Less angst, but one trick pony of setting things on fire
>Ultramarines
Even the best choice is still low on the fucking quality scale

/tg/ I cant stand any of the first foundings. I just want a chapter that fucking rocks their shit, does what they do incredibly well, doesnt carry stupid stereotypes, and leaves the angst at the door. Shit like this is why I prefer Crimson Fists over any first founding

>>43618315
And no, I wont have any of your fucking special snowflake/donut steel chapters either, get out.

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>>43618315
>>White Scars
>No one likes white scars, get out

woopwoopwoopwoop

>>43618315
>I just want a chapter that fucking rocks their shit, does what they do incredibly well, doesnt carry stupid stereotypes, and leaves the angst at the door.

- Angst about something
- No stupid stereotypes

Pick one, when it comes to marines. Even guys like Star Phantoms and Space Sharks who are no nonsense or angst have tons of stereotypes.

>Shit like this is why I prefer Crimson Fists

Are you serious? Angst about being whittled down to a dozen guys. Angst against Orks. Angst against lost home. They also have the stupid fist and Mexican stereotype, and what they "do incredibly well" is fucking nuke themselves and get wrecked by orks.

>>43617405
>>43616982
>>43617468
Sure it would. Space Marines were born and bred to follow and have a sense of honor. Yet they follow an emperor they have never seen and hasn't lead in over 10k years.

Some Space Marines fight valiantly fight against some of their honorable Tau betters and notice how their ethereal leader is leading in the front by example. They immediately pledge support to the ethereal senpai. The Tau are obviously overjoyed to include such massive pauldron meatsheilds into their vanguard. All for the greater good.

>quit being so butthurt that 'rines with Tau tech stomp on your backwater nid-fucker chapters.

>>43618420
>their honorable Tau betters
>honorable Tau
>betters

Lol.

>>43618420
>They immediately pledge support to the ethereal senpai.

Marines already rarely do this for humans, they're not going to do it to xenos whom they are literally brainwashed and conditioned to hate. It's like saying Farsight will become a permanent ork lover for the sake of the Greater Good.

>>43618456
>brainwashed and conditioned to hate
>almost always allied with them

Just think, if you played Tau you could've hopped in your gundam and fucked off by now.

>>43618570
>>almost always allied with them

The fuck are you talking about. Marines almost never ally with xenos, and the one time they did (BA Necrons) people threw a bitch fit. The most recent Tau codex is straight up marines vs. Tau.

Pretty much any Imperial Fist successor. Seriously, they have all the coolest dudes. Black Templars, Executioners, Crimson Fists, Excoriators, Astral Knights, Invaders, they're all badasses.

Apart from the Soul Drinkers, because fuck the Soul Drinkers. Your Chapter Master sprouts fucking spider legs and you don't suspect that maybe Chaos had something to do with it?

>Be Deathwatch GM
>Players roll Crimson Fist Devestator, Imperial Fist Assault Marine, Blood Angel Librarian, Space Wolf Tactical, Black Shield Assault Marine, Dark Angel apothecary.
>Black Shield is actually former berserker who ripped the butcher's nails from his head, and went on some insane redemption quest
>Carves the aquilla into every skull. Actually well played

>1/3rd of the way through a campaign, mission is to thunderhawk into a chemical weapon facility on a desert world, amidst miles of canyons
>Slaughter cultists and token Night Lords guarding the facility. Plan is to blow the facility up.
>Attempting to rig explosives. Space Wolf rolls 100. Burn fate, ask him to roll again. Rolls 97.
>Explain it will take 10 hours to rig the facility to blow. Enemy reinforcements from enemy Despoiler Class due in 2. Take a sample of bio-weapon and evacuate.
>Space Wolf says "You go, I'll try and fix the explosives."
>Dark Angel shakes head "No brother, I won't let you steal the glory."
>Black Shield removes helmet, revealing butcher's nails. "Let them come."
>Crimson Fist cocks heavy bolter "lets do this"
>I realise my entire group has decided to kill themselves to save the Space Wolf's cockup from looking foolish......

(cont)

I really like the celestial lions.

>Tfw "highly organized and accurate ork sniper fire"

Fuck the inquisition

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>>43621114

>Mission plays out like 3rd level of Soviet Strike
>After spending 3 hours digging in, setting up traps, 6 marines prepare to defend a 3 mile industrial complex with multi-levels.
>They find an automated AA system to keep aircraft at bay
>Suddenly, rumbles from the canyons, as hundreds of traitor guard spill into view, riding rust covered chimeras and blood-painted russ tanks.
>When the regiment reaches the periphery, all hell breaks loose. Librarian lances a Leman Russ, Crimson Fist uses a looted Night Lord missile launcher to pop a Hellhound, the enemy advance over mines. Enemy fighters swoop overhead but the BS 25 automated turrets pop two of them. Space Wolf tactical, Black Shield and Imperial Fist counter attack, covered by Apothecary, Librarian, and Devestator. Group starts slamming meltabombs left right and centre. Hundreds of cultists swarm forward. Hellish mutant overlord arrives. Space Wolf punches his skull in.
>First wave defeated, but the group take some heavy wounds. 500 dead cultists/soldiers + 5 wrecked leman russ battle tanks, 2 destroyed fighters, 1 hellhound, 6 chimeras.

>>43617468
Space Marines bowed before Necrons before, through Mindchackle scarps. Also a Grey Knight was kissed by a genestealer and fill under the control of the Hivemind. This means marines can be brainwashed into service of xenos.

>>43618678
>The most recent Tau codex is straight up marines vs. Tau.

And in a lot of the fluff it mentions the marines developing respect for the Tau they are fighting. Heck, the marines and Tau have shown each other kindness on the battlefield by sometime sparing each other.

>>43621180
fell*

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>>43621114
>>43621176

Typical Wolf

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>>43621176

>Apothecary studied chemical weapon. Finds something horrifying. Night Lords have found a way to engineer the Null trait into geneseed. Plans to create a shadow legion that will get behind Cadia, and cut it off from warp reinforcements in the 13th black crusade.
>Night Lords arrive on the planet dropping around the entire perimeter. AA fire silence by lance batteries from above.
>8 hours until the explosives are set
>Advanced party arrives, consisting of Raptors, Rhinos, Predators, Bikes
>Become that guy and decide they won't survive this
>Deathwatch retreats into the thicker parts of the industrial zone. Start to use sporadic firepower. Chip away a bike rider here, immobilise a rhino there.
>Night Lords establish a cordon but don't advance...
>12 dreadclaws slam into the heart of the complex, spilling out a mix of Night Lords, spawn, and chaos hounds
>It's on. As a team they move to wipe out the first pod, then the second. Night Lords regroup and come in after them. Hit and run.
>Squad of night lords runs around a corner, and get obliterated by an ambush from a point blank captured leman russ shell
>Librarian goes super nova with psychic powers, ripping spines and spleens out.
>Space Wolf and Dark Angel fighting back to back, dicks hard with machismo
>Night Lords dropping like flies to the most obscene dice rolling I've ever seen
>Suddenly becomes Expendables 3
>Insersion Force cut down to 50% strength calls in the perimeter force.
>150 Marines + Traitor Guard vs 6 utterly fucked and bleeding, ammo spent brothers
>Traitor Leman Russ bursts out the front of the complex, and takes out the lead Chaos Predator, driven by Dark Angel Apothecary and Space Wolf Tactical, who have torn out the seats
>Bikers swarm it, so the other marines clamber on top, raining firepower down
>World Eater Black Shield with thunder hammer goes toe to toe with Hellbrute that was drop podded in. Tears it a new one.
>I swap dice because this is fixed.

<cont>

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>>43620985
>Apart from the Soul Drinkers, because fuck the Soul Drinkers
Fuck you, even your Primarch agrees that Soul Drinkers are loyal no matter their Primarch

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>Crimson Fist finally falls, firing his lascannon into one final rhino. A Helldrake swoops in, and fills the balcony he's hiding on with hell fire.
>Furious, Imperial Fist assault marine jump packs onto the thing's back, proceeds to ride it over the battlefield, and through some improvised rules, throws the last of its krak grenades into its mouth. A fun bit of homebrew, but the dragon was slain.
>Helldrake crashes into the middle of the advancing Night Lords
>Crowd parts and Major NPC Lieutenant, Krugax the Everstorm strides through his troops. BAMF with a hulking two handed, demonic maul
>Imperial Fist Assault Marine climbs to his feet, close to death. Former Feast of Blades finalist... he takes three steps toward him. >They roll initiative....
>Imperial Fist cuts his head clean off
>Night Lords are impressed... then open fire, cutting the Imperial Fist to ribbons.
>Joyriding Leman Russ sees it too late, and starts firing shots into the crowd of gathered Night Lords, before withdrawing back into the building.
>Approximately 65 dead Night Lords, 1 Helldrake, 1 Hellbrute, 1 Predator, 4 Bikes. Leman Russ on its last legs.


<cont>

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y'all niggas better be crusading. ain't no rest from galactic reconquest.

>>43621274
A dude literally grew fucking daemonic spider legs in the middle of a battle, and they made him their Chapter Master! Even a fucking under-hive ganger would look at that shit and go "Man, that's some fucked up Chaos shit going on right there!"

The Black Dragons get shit for having bone blades. I'm pretty sure spider legs are way worse on the mutant scale.

>>43621355
Yeah if only half the chapter rebelled or something against chaos in some sort of civil war and the remainder went to beat the shit out of as many Daemons as possible

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>>43621293
>>43621237
>>43621176

>Sorcerer Lord Nemissarion, still aboard his battleship, hears word of the defiant resistance below. Estimates predict upward of 30 Deathwatch marines nestled within the industrial complex.
>Growing impatient, he orders the Night Lords to begin one final thrust, with every cultist and traitor and mutant they have at the fore to soak up firepower.
>Meanwhile, he musters up his 7 terminators, dons his own terminator armour.
>The whole force of some 200 Night Lords charges the place, backed up by descending Raptors.
>I drop a message to the players that their strike cruiser can fly by and risk a teleport, but they need to reach the tallest tower on the facility before the enemy corner them
>.....they decline, and order the cruiser to bombard their position
>The enemy waves hit. They fire off a few shots, then retreat to the next room, then fire a few shots, then retreat to the next room. By now their bolters are heresy era chaos ones. >They have enough grenades to blow up a few rooms and set booby traps.
>The enemy close in from all directions, occupying 75% of the complex.
>The Black Shield World Eater gets jumped by a possessed uber lieutenant called Ebonisus. Almost gets killed but manages to trip off the booby traps in his building, taking them both out
>And then there were three
>Blood Angel Librarian senses an immense disturbance in the warp
>8 Terminators teleport into their midst. The supreme leader and his retinue have arrived.
>Sorcerer Lord Nemessiarion locks with Blood Angel Librarian Tabris.
>Space Wolf with plasma gun goes toe to toe with the terminators. He takes out two before a combi-melta burns his guts to ash. His last scream is to the Apothecary "My gene seed best not go back to the rock!"
>Apothecary takes out another two terminators, then receives a power axe to the neck. The Night Lord responsible puts the Space Wolf and Dark Angel heads facing each other on shoulder spikes
<cont>

>>43621237
>Apothecary studied chemical weapon. Finds something horrifying. Night Lords have found a way to engineer the Null trait into geneseed.

GENIUS

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>>43621395

>"I was told there were thirty of you. Where are your brothers, witch of the false God?"
>"Laughing at you... from high orbit."
>Night Lord com link goes wild "Incoming orbital bombardment. An Imperial Cruiser has just launched its full payload."
>"At the ship? Take evasive ma-"
>"At you, my lord."
>The Blood Angel Librarian smiles, then everything within 20 miles simply ceases to exist. At the cost of six brothers, they baited out a huge Night Lord force of over 250 marines + 5,000 chaff, and stopped a plan to besiege Cadia.

After having a lot of beers, and just sharing my UTTER FUCKING AWE at how amazing my players were with their dice rolls and their tactics, plus their amazing ability to stay in character, all I can say is my favourite chapter will always be the Space Wolves / Blood Angels / Imperial Fists / Crimson Fists / World Eaters / Dark Angels. I guess I just love the Deathwatch, and what a melting pot of emotions it can be. Some might play it as tension, with the Wolf hating the Dark Angel and vice versa, but in the chaos of battle they developed a friendship and trust. I guess that double-fail on the bombs had to happen for a reason. Chapters can be dull and cookie cutter, but the marines that make them can be amazing to explore, especially when taken away from the collective bubble of their comrades.

>>43615764
Imperial fists. God you couldn't possibly have chosen a worse legion. Even the yiffers are better than IF.

>>43621192

Always liked that colour scheme, but could never find the transfers for that chapter to buy, only print.

>>43621493
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.

>>43621463
This story is great. Thanks, I guess. Someone screencap this. Not for being AMAZING, but for just being a rather compelling story.

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>>43617537
BROTHER!

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>>43621153
Me gabba everytime

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>>43621593
>>43621153

to be fair, the most accurate fire in 40k comes from snap-firing lootas off the back of a moving truck

>>43621557
QQ more you tasteless ape

>>43621463
This could actually make for a good short story.

It shows how loyal marines can be destructive when they sacrifice themselves.

>>43621529
Ask the wip thread, they know a site that can make transfer sheets of your choice.

>>43615764
Celestial Lions. Fuck the Inquisition.

>>43621677

Thanks, I'll try there.

>>43618315
Fuk u , khan stronk

>>43618315
You are aware that the Crimson Fists are super butthurt about the whole Ork thing and also use Pain Gloves, right?

daily reminder to tell every DA player that their chapter is objectively shit because their primarch is crying on a fucking rock instead of saving the Imperium

>>43615961
The flesh is weak muh nigga

>>43618265

Misread this as Abyssal Jews at first. I am a terrible person.

>>43616249
>>43617405
>>43618420
No it wouldn't. The main reason Marines go renegade is wanting to be free and lust for power. The weak and controlling Tau empire doesn't offer that.

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>>43615764
He may not have the best rules (In fact, i'd say he probably has the worst rules of any of the unique character chapter masters (only being above average in melee, no better than a standard Wolf Lords at range and having no army-wide benefits) But dammit, Grimnar is the best for 1 undeniable reason...

He has the greatest beard in the universe

Say what you like about him and the rest of the Space Wolves (Who are my first founding of choice) but that fact is undeniable and makes him one of the greatest.

>>43622106
Much like the Ultramarines were ruined by Ward not understanding what made them cool to begin with, I feel the Space Wolves (and to a lesser extent the Blood Angels) are going in the same direction. Back when I first started playing in 3rd edition, Space Wolves were awesome and just behind the Black Templars as my favorite Loyalists. Now they just feel... weird. There's so much goofy shit, and not in terms of Space Vikings awesome goofy, just really dumb. I want to go back to liking the Space Wolves, but they're making it really hard for me. Maybe 30k will fix them.

>>43621944
We must always be on our guard and repel the jew on every front they appear at. Stay vigilant brother

>>43615764
Favourite Loyalist Chapters:

Blood Angels because spess mehreen vampires just tickles my fancy (and Sanguinus is nice)

Salamanders because fuckin bro tier

Honourable mention to Grey Knights because I just like them

>Favourite Traitors

Night Lords because spooky scary

Thousand Sons because space wizards and Magnus only wanted to help

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>>43622919
>mfw another lawful good fa/tg/uy

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>>43618315
angst
äNG(k)st/Submit
noun
a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general.
"adolescent angst"
synonyms: anxiety, fear, apprehension, worry, foreboding, trepidation, malaise, disquiet, disquietude, unease, uneasiness
"business leaders expressed their angst over war and recession"
informal
a feeling of persistent worry about something trivial.
"my hair causes me angst"

>40k is literally angst fantasy incarnate
>complaining about the angst

nigger go play something happy if you don't like the angst.

>>43618315
The problem with first founding is they have too strong of themes.

>EDGY SPACE CATHOLICS

>EDGY VAMPIRES

>WOLF WOLF WOLF

>METAL FUCK YEA NIGGER FUCK YEA FUCK FLESH FUCK IT ITS GAAAAY

>Imperial fists only good first founding, pretty typical chapter with a trend towards siege warfare, but not autism for it.

>GOTTA GO FAST AND BE MONGOLS

>Not as bad as others but still pretty OH MAN FUCK YEA WERE SO FUCKIN SNEAKY FUCK YEA depending on the author

>Also raven guard tier. More inseresting than others with their JUSTICE and FIRE themes

>P E R F E C T

Basically

god tier: Imperial fists

Good tier: Raven guard and Salamanders

Mid tier: Edgy catholics and space mongols and angry robots

>Bad tier: space vampires and smurfs

>Shit tier: WOLFWOLFWOLFWFOWLWFLFWOWFOWFLWFOFWOFLWOFWLWLOFOLWLFLOWFLOFWLOWLOWLOWLOFLOWFLOWFLOWLWFLOFLWLFLWFWLLFWLFFfFOWFLWOFWOFLOWLOFLOWOWLFLOWFLOWL Fflfwlflflfl YIFF FUCK YEA NIGGER WE LOVE WOLVES AND WE'RE KINDA VIKINGS BUT MOSTLY WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLVES

>>43624266
Are you >implying that there is something wrong with going fast and/or being a mongol

>>43624266
>hating on bangels, dangels, (iron hands are mkay), wscars, ultramarines, and swolves? the fuck is wrong with you nigger.

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>No Black Templars
>No Deathwatch
>No Salamanders
What's wrong with you all?

>>43624266
>imperial fists not autisticly obsessed

what in the fuck they saccd half their men because of autism

>>43615935
>inb4 all the decent chapters

I shiggydiggydo.

>>43625041
this, im an if fan and even i agree that dorn had some serious autism, even sigismund the most autistic of if agreed that dorn could be frustrating some times.

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Celestial Lions

>>43625041
>Invent a machine that simulates EVERY GODDAMN ATOM IN YOUR BODY BEING SET ON FIRE because PAIN IS THE CLEANSER
>Get in a pissing contest with your brother with an inferiority complex because you literally can't conceive of him winning and being too stupid to just lie or let him down gently
>Literally tell your men that they can't lose ever
>Break your shit because you couldn't do anything to stop the second most powerful being in the galaxy
>Go on to either run into an obvious trap that killed half your Legion, or willingly sacrifice them all, because you're not perfect
I mean, he wasn't Perturabo in terms of flipping his shit over perfection, but I have to wonder if he wasn't worse than Fulgrim. As far as I know, Fulgrim before his fall never built torture devices to help people be perfect.

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Loyalist, Id have to say Blood Angels, pretty much becuase of the berserking and the specialization for close combat.

Traitor, World Eaters because it is clear that Red goes faster. Night Lords because I geninuely like the idea behind using Fear as a weapon. Iron Warriors because muh anti-siege. and Thousand Suns because space magic all over the place.

>>43626778
>playing choppy marines in dakkadakka40k

>>43627268
I like what I like, dont judge ;_;

>>43618420
>They immediately pledge support to the ethereal senpai.
Look man, even renegade marines, beholden to none but their own wishes, regard aliens as completely beneath them.

An enemy worthy of killing face-to-face, maybe. But nothing beyond that. It's part of their rather thorough indoctrination methods, and a set of values further reinforced over centuries of conflict.

When pitted against aliens, Chaos and Imperial Space Marines have quite similar views.

>>43622432
>Much like the Ultramarines were ruined by Ward not understanding what made them cool to begin with,

I think it's you who has never understood the Ultramarines. Ward did nothing wrong.

>>43626778
>Iron Warriors because muh anti-siege
I think you have that backwards. Iron Warriors are all about siege warfare.

>>43615764
I actually just got around to reading Dread Sentinels of Dorn, which is where OP's image is originally from, and I have to admit, it's easily one of the best representation of Imperial Fists I've seen. Sure they're not standing behind a fortress shooting down, but they're defending the eastern border of Segmentum Solar. I highly recommend if you want to see Imperial Fists being seriously awesome.

>>43615764
I dunno. Exorcists are pretty cool, I guess.

>>43618315
>Less angst, but one trick pony of setting things on fire

To be fair, it's a pretty effective trick.

>>43627268
Noise Marines and Berserkers are pretty damned good in CC against most things.

when they can actually get there

>>43616249
Is that a marine fighting with the tau?

>>43629523
No.

>>43621364
A few soul drinkers saw the spider legs and told the heretic to fuck off. They all died, mostly the veterans wouldn't follow their spidey overlord.

>>43629810
What is it then?

>>43628372
Were they? I thought they IF were opposite of them

>>43630697
Gue'vesa in a Marine mini-mecha.

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>>43630773
Woah wich chapter is that

World eaters. Because...pissed off marines with chainsaws on an ax.

>>43631106
My own.

>>43625020
I-I like Salamanders...

>>43632440
Explain the lore because they look awesome

Anyone care to remind me what the Ultramarines were like pre-Ward?

Cause I'm failing to see the difference really unless their only character trait back then was >"spess rome"

>>43632594

They were the exact same. The "Ultramarines are the best" line is from the back of the 2nd edition Codex: Ultramarines which was the vanilla codex back then.

>>43630733
That is more heretical than a traitor Astartes.

>>43632813
According to Imperial authorities, traitors are worse than heretics and Gue'vesa are double traitors

>>43632813

It's just a powered exo skeleton that has plates shaped like marine power armor. Note the fake right arm and extra arms from the backpack, as well as the hollow pauldron frame.

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>>43632631
Wow, that actually makes me mad because I can understand someone back in the day getting invested in them because of their "spess rome" aesthetic if that was their sole defining character trait.

I feel pretty vindicated in disliking them ever since I first gazed upon their paint scheme in DoW so thanks for confirming my gut reaction those many years ago.

>tfw this is was also compounded by finding out my two favorite traitor legions hated the XIII more than anyone else too

>>43618420
Is this Pasta? Is swear to God I've read this before in the exact same context. I wanna say it's from a deviant art comment.

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OUR MARTYRED LADY

>>43632884
Inside a suit pretending to be a defender of the Imperium and creation of the Emperor, is a man who has betrayed his species, the Emperor and all that is holy.
It is Quadruple heresy.
So the suit itself resembles Astartes power armor, which is Heresy.
The Human inside betrayed the Imperium, which is Heresy.
The Human inside willingly serves Xeno masters, which is Heresy.
The Human inside is fighting against the Imperium, which is Heresy.
I could probably state more as well and any Marine or Inquisitor would have way more.

It is a damn good design choice because of how much it should piss off any member of the Imperium.

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For the Emperor, Beyond the point of Death.

Lesser Deamons of the Emperor can still form a chapter.

>>43615764
The fucking Benedictors!

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>>43615764
>Two best chapters coming through
>Also fuck the inquisition

>>43633269
>no SW/CL crossover
>no tag team rage in the cage match vs the Ordo Hereticus and the Administratum

I didn't know I wanted this until I thought of it.

which is the best wiki? lexicanum or w40kwikia?

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>>43633269
You are the niggest in every way.

>>43633352
1d4chan

>>43633370
That doesnt even list all of the chapters

Founding Chapter: Imperial Fists

Chapter I use for my army: Crimson Guard

I like playing sub factions that dont have a whole bunch of established characters and canon.

>>43633457
Does the crimson guard have ANY established canon?

>>43633457
>I like playing sub factions that dont have a whole bunch of established characters and canon.

I like that those chapters are good at making your own chapter without it being some potentially crappy homebrew with a cringeworthy name, but I also hate how these chapters sometimes don't even give you a color scheme and don't give you ANY info other than an official name.

I prefer to have officers and homeworlds I can play missions about or model characters after.

>mfw no Lamenters in the thread.

Truely a black day.

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>>43634055
More like black rage amiright?

>>43634055
Nothing to cry about now.

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Is there a full on Grecian chapter? Not Ultras or Iron Snakes (who've got that shitty spartan aesthetic) but more along the lines of Athenian types, perhaps with a funky blue and white colour scheme, if that could ever look good on a model?
>Pick related, it's nightlords

>>43636042

Iron Snakes are the closest you will get. For some reason GW focused more on the Roman/Byzantine than Greece. Minotaurs are more Spartan than Iron Snakes, so of the two, Iron Snakes usually gets relegated to "the Greek chapter".

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>>43621114
>>43621176
>>43621237
>>43621293
>>43621395
>>43621463
>tfw you buy all the Deathwatch books and learn everything there is to learn about it, but you've never played in a group and never will experience such brotherhood

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>>43615764
I'z don' like no chaptuur

I'z like da table of kontints

>>43636042
Sons of Antaeus. You've got black and grey as a color scheme, without knowing the scheme is itself. The emblem I posted >>43621579 here is just a fan made.
You can do pretty much whatever you want with them.

>>43633352
Lexicanum. It is slower to be up to date,but it is much, much more reliable since they are so hard on the sources.

>>43636436

Lexicanum is worthless. It doesn't even have 50% of the info that 40k wiki is. The amount of "false information" on 40k is vastly overblown. If you read everything on 40k wiki and everything on lexicanum, the amount of extra stuff that is legit you got from 40k wiki that isn't on Lexicanum would vastly outweigh the info from Lexicanum itself.

>>43636500

Just as an example, go look up Carcharodons. I looked it up because you faggots love arguing about the so much. The 40k wiki is 100% accurate, last I checked, and I've read everything from their DW entry, to the judges short story, to Badab War 2.

Lexicanum ONLY has things from Badab War 2. It's missing the DW librarian info, the short story info, the IA2 campaigns, everything.

>>43636500
Lexicaum is legit. Warhammerwiki is run by people with agendas who slide in fanfiction between the fluff to further their agenda.

Take the Miriael Sabathiel page for example that which is all sourceless garbage. Before people raised a fuse about it, the page had 4 citations to the CSM and sister codexes. When anons reviewed their sources and saw that the fluff isn't there. Warhammer wiki stealthy removed the false citation but kept the false fluff on the page.

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>>43615764
Feed me heretics!

>>43636500
Warhammer wiki is shit but it's shit that rips off the fluff word for word

>>43624266
I know very little about 40k, but what's wrong with Space Mongols? Sounds awesome.

>>43624266
What is the pain glove for $500 Alex?

>not autistic

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Red Scorpions are best.

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>>43636236
>Have a group
>But they think Deathwatch is just a bland combat simulator

>>43639442
They have a neat color scheme I'll give them that

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>>43638908
Literally nothing is wrong with speedy space Mongols on motorcycles. However they don't get nearly as much attention as some of the other first founding chapters like Space Wolves or Ultramarines so they are almost always overlooked

>>43640846
What? The Scars are the Imperials stars of the Damocles warzone and Kor'sarro has plenty of novels and audiobooks about his adventures. I mean what other chapter can boost that it was the one who destroyed Doom Rider?

>>43640906
They've done nothing but lose in the Damocles books. Against the Tau's plot armor they're being found wanting.

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>>43625227
My nigga

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The one that purges the most.

>>43641539
They lost of Agrellan but won on Voltaris.

They lost of Prefectia but are returning for round 4 in the second book.

So far it's 2 for the Tau and one for the Scars. Not a bad score.

>>43616249
wait, is this canon? I want to know more about it

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>>43625020
Mah battle brother

>>43640906
Are you really trying to tell me that they get the same treatment that the Space Wolves, Ultramarines, Dark Angels and Blood Angels get? Only the Iron Hands get less spotlight

>>43642826

No it isn't lurk more.

>>43633115
Actually it's much more likely that they're affected by a variant of Nurgle's Rot.

The post-2nd edition fluff is all vague and spooky and makes them sound like ghosts, but the 1st edition fluff is pretty explicit on what they are and what happened to them. They're basically undead.

>>43621399
This would make for a better plot than most BL novels

>>43630730
IW siege specialty is tearing down and Fists siege specialty is building up, if I'm not mistaken.

>>43645324
More or less, but an more accurate version would be "Both learned how to do both attack and defense in a siege although each had their own preference for one over the other".

>the irony is both had the opposite preference to the one they were stuck with but Dorn knew how to cope better.

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They did nothing wrong.

>>43646521

They lost, for one.

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>ctrl+f "mentors"
>phrase not found

>>43615764
>Blood Ravens!
>inb4 shitty BR memes

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>>43632593
The Brotherhood of Normant are an ancient Chapter of the Dark Angels and among the few that can lay claim to the honor of being forged in the Second Founding. They were a single Legion Chapter force (couple thousand dudes) that went into the North-Western part of the Halo Stars during the end of the Great Crusade and got stuck there during the Horus Heresy thanks to warp storms.

They made a brilliant last stand against an Ork WHAAAGH to defend a lone human world they had stumbled upon which upon reestablishing contact after the HH, claimed as their homeworld and christened Nourmaundie.

Due to living just at the limit of the Emperor's light/beyond it, warp travel takes a longer and the small empire the Brotherhood has carved out of sector is under constant attack by the trillions of Orks that surround them. Because of this they forsake the Codex and keep their old Crusade numbers of three thousand brothers. This force is in turn split into three groups, and cycles about the sector booting Orks off human territory and cleansing new planets to be colonized.

Culturally the Chapter is Anglo-Frankish, most of their founding members originally came from northern Franc on Terra and were raised on tales of the chivalrous conquests of the ancient kings of their people.

When they founded their new Chapter, they sought to bring those ideals into reality, and ten thousand years later the Chapter has sired a very successful feudal sector empire that has grown beyond the nurturing embrace of the Chapter into its own independent entity.

In war the Chapter specializes in mobility. Its Ravenwing Company is absolutely ginormous and split into three separate formations deployed across the sector wherever needed. In ten thousand years of endless warfare against the Orks, the Brotherhood has found that the most effective means of combating Orks is to slaughter their leadership in the opening engagement.

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>>43646688
Con'td

The Chapter equips its Black Knights with power lances and sends them out to hunt down the enemy leadership like the dogs they are and spit them on their spears before the enemy knows what happened. They also favor the mass deployment of mechanized infantry whenever possible to further increase the mobility of the Chapter on the battlefield. The Orks specialize in attrition based warfare, so it's critical that you don't let the greenskin dig in.

Another deviation from the norm is in their recruitment of aspirants and how scouts are organized. The Brotherhood of Normant has no official scout company, and instead each Company has its own small collection of scouts. The scouts are assigned for various reasons, for Companies simply needing additional reinforcements in an upcoming campaign, or a Company Master wishing to educate some scouts on a nature of warfare his company specializes in (void combat, armor assaults, ravenwing bikes, etc). Regardless, numbers fluctuate and Scouts are commonly shuffled about the companies depending on needs or orders from the Grand Master.

>>43615764
RAPTORS ARE MOST REASONABLE MARINES

>I'm building a raptor chapter that has lots of whirlwinds, thunderfire cannons, and transports with dozens of marines in between
>TFW Playing SM as IG

>>43646688
>>43646898
>french
fucking dropped

>>43647496
You do realize that Anglo-Normans and Franks have the most glorious military history, riiight?

It's like people don't even remember that France used to be the definition of masculinity in the 1600's.

>>43615961
*Thumbs up*

>>43618315
>Imperial fists only good first founding, pretty typical chapter with a trend towards siege warfare, but not autism for it.
nahh they are machodonists

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>>43622106
You. I had to double check that this post wasn't made by me, alas we are just that much on the same wavelength. Good on you, man.

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Astral Knights

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>>43615764
Raven Guard by far.

Victorus Aut Mortis

>>43643869
Yeah but their fluff changed. They made is so anyone can have their own interpetation, which, for once, is a good thing in my opinion.

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>>43650835
yeah bruh, raven guard all the way.

>sneaky as fuck
>use tons of claws (favourite fantasy weapon)
>masters of misdirection (rivalled only by alpha legion)

>>43616192
> Wait come back! I-I love you too Uriel

>>43621463
>tfw the night lords are just the mooks of 40k despite having baller books

space wolves are cool

>>43616192
>What chapter name, my battle nigger?

>>43621463
>Night Lord com l
Im saving these.

>>43652832
>rivalled only by alpha legion
>*surpassed*
Alpha is so good at it they even forget that they do it.

>>43615961
MORE LIKE IRON FAGS

>>43648469
>You do realize that Anglo-Normans and Franks have the most glorious military history, riiight?
You realize that you don't know shit about history right?

>It's like people don't even remember that France used to be the definition of masculinity in the 1600's.
Early in the 100 years war the french king literally nearly killed his entire army by charging into an english army one third of his size
He lost like a bitch, while the king of bohemia was not only old but also blind but still charged into battle with him and actually managed to swing his sword several times at the enemy.
Of course he and his retinue died.

Frenchmen are not only stupid, but also horrible fighters

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I kind of like the back story to these guys. Trying to use the tools of evil to fight evil. It was of course was going to end badly and they all knew it could but they did it anyway. Now that's either shear stupidity and madness or the most balls the size of church bells move ever. Maybe a little of both.

>>43654884
>>43654884
>One aceqdote is enough to judge 1500 yeats of military history.

Looks like someone listened too much to the US bashing campaign.

>>43655034
The french were in the best position to take over the continent and even though they bullied German states the size of a small city for centuries they never managed to

bitchniggers, the lot of them

>>43655075
And yet during the American War of independence Americans openly admired the ideals of the French revolution and even had units wearing french Zouave style uniforms as homage.
Kinda funny if you look at the actual historical context. Without the help of France a few things might look different today. Hell, the statue of liberty is a gift from the French.
You should think Americans would be a little more sensitive/grateful for that.

>>43615764
dark angels and black templars all the way. Them bathrobes over power armor look awesome. Also I feel like they're the only chapters to give off the knights in space vibe.

On a side note, The DA sort of act like the irl templars with all the secrecy and controversy while; the BT act more like the teutonics.

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>>43657691
Myyyyyyyy nigger.

Just reposting another Anon's explanation of why they're the best.

>Their entire mentality is about being the most self-suffering fatalistic grim bastards possible, but all in the name of ensuring that mortal humans don't suffer like they do.

>They all see themselves as being already dead and that suffering and pain is their lot in the universe and nothing will change that, so nothing can hold them back from fighting as hard as they can to protect the innocent and the faithful from feeling their suffering.

>They're one of the only chapters that manages to be both very grimdark and very sympathetic about protecting regular humans, without those two sides of their mentality conflicting.

>>43617454
Don't you mean the Abyssal Jaws?

>>43615764
Ultramarines

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When it comes to canon chapters, I suppose I like the Storm Wardens the best.

As for non-canon, I've been a fan of the Conservators since it's creation, though I haven't been very much in touch with /tg/ the past few months, and I don't know how much about general opinion of them nowadays.

>>43662806
Who do you think are the Storm Warden's progenitors? They seem like sons of the Khan to me

>>43662806
>>43663239

Well, we know the Wardens don't have any prominent gene-seed mutations, so that rules out several legions, but my guess would be Ultras? Or maybe White Scars? It's pretty hard to get a bead on the Spess Celts, since they're so damned different from the majority of other Marine chapters.

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>>43615764
Does no one else remember the Ice Wraiths?

>>43663393
Their preference for fast attacks and single combat just screams white scars to me

>>43662806
>>43663239


>>43663393
here again. I just wanted to mention that I fucking love the Storm Wardens and that I built a successor chapter from them for my last Deathwatch game.

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>>43615764
gotta love the original perfection

ASTRAL
KNIGHTS

>>43615764

Blood Angels, Death Guard, and Night Lords. I have about 20,000 points of them. The Night Lords are an HH army.
I like a lot of the Legions, but these three have the most character imho.

>>43663239
I know it's gauche to suggest traitor progenitors, but I like the thought of the World Eaters, myself.

>>43663907
Ill admit I don't know much about the World Eaters other than being constantly pissed off and bloodthirsty to an almost comical extreme

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>>43615764
Marines Errant are definitely my favorite.
>Questing knight-themed chapter
>Bros with a Rogue Trader house
>Pretty nice guys without being pansies

If only it weren't for the terrible paint scheme.

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>>43634055
It ain't easy being a Lamenter,

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>>43664558
>If only it weren't for the terrible paint scheme.
Fuck you buddy it's awesome.

>>43664558
>>43665198
Vertical half-and-half just isn't my thing. Then again, I'm not much for quartered, either.

Having realized I've only seen vertical and horizontal versions, has someone done a "diagonal" one, so to speak? Apologies if this sounds silly, I've never actually painted before

>>43665198
I can't stand halved or quartered color schemes.

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Ultramarines.

all day
erry day

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Does anyone else besides me remember the Glistening Host?

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Death cult ftw

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>>43653192

Nah bro, this team were fucking hardcore. Third campaign by that point.

First Campaign: Attacked a chaos-held city that played out like Strider 2014. They deep strike into the middle of the city's parliament building. They step out into the middle of the chamber, gunning into members of parliament and cabinet ministers, media crews, and enforcers. The governor however is absent, replaced with a decoy servitor. 6 Deathwatch Marines (Black Shield was replaced with Ultramarine Techmarine) fight their way out of an entire city filling with renegade troops + A squad of Thousand Sons.

Turns out the assassination was a ruse. They were sent in to buy an Inquisitor time to infiltrate the city and locate an Emperor's Tarot deck carved from the wraithbone of the infinity circuit stolen from Ulthwe. The deck allows the user 100% flawless study into the future.

Squad cripples the army, detonates the city power station, levels half the city, shuts down power for the rest, kills the Thousand Sons in the blast, then boards the Inquisitor's ship when they learn of the ruse.

Inquisitor deploys Eversor Assassin + his elite retinue to destroy them, and Ultramarine dies. They steer the ship into the planet, escape by shuttle, and drop it on the remainder of the Chaos city

>>43665620
Well, that's horrifying.

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>>43667836

Second Campaign took place on Armageddon, and some of the worst dice rolling ever occured.

Blood Angel Librarian meets Yarrick with others for briefing. Rolls Sag + 30 to see what he knows of Yarrick. Rolls 100.

"Who the Hell is commissar Yarrick?"
"Hero of armageddon?"
"He's an old man with Xenos tech. Out of my way you sack of meat and dust."

We decided the Librarian had once had a grey knight mindwipe, and this was the result. Same Librarian rolls 100 on a test to scry a gretchin's mind in a hostile slum. Full on psychic phenomena happens where the whole place becomes silent hill. Everybody but the imperial fist FAILED their willpower then rolled the maximum gain on Insanity.

Plot was that the Orks had built a mega gargant that was a walking stomper factory. It could destroy 100 leman russes with its weaponry, suck it into the belly through a traktor beam, then like a hen laying an egg, an hour later it would rise up from the ground on its two huge legs, and a fresh stompa would be built. Code Name Looticus Waaagh.

Group proceed to reinact The Raid as they get into the thing's base, and fight up through 80 floors of Ork infested hell to the core, activate the traktor beam but reverse the polarity. The machine proceeds to suck in its own body, and lays itself inside out, mangling everything within before detonating.

Yarrick presents them with medals, and the Deathwatch Librarian throws it aside

"Spare me your baubles, old man. I only respect real heroes of the Imperium"

Space Wolf apologises on his behalf.

>>43667875

sorry, missed a bit. Highlight of the insanity was the Space Wolf vomiting into his own helmet, the crimson fist dropping his heavy bolter and running off, and the librarian dropping to his knees, crying how he'd doomed them all and the Sanguinius was an embarasment. The entire group took an oath on spilled blood NEVER to mention it again... though the Imperial Fist was like "I sure hope there's no grots" during the last stand against the Night Lords

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>>43667905
I laughed.

This is now a heresy post.

Bring on The Purge! They have better chemical warfare than the fucking Death Guard, and they're the Nurgle worshippers compared to these anti-life motherfuckers!

>>43668062
nah man, the Purge are pretty cool but Death Guard are all of best legion, best traitor and best antagonists. Capable of compassion, absolutely fucking horrifying, Typhus is top-tier, Mortarion has great rules in 30k almost making up for the travesty that was draigo's heart surgery, the list goes on. The Purge are cool but theyre not even the best Nurglites, much less best heretics.

>>43668062
>>43668062
nah man, the Purge are pretty cool but Death Guard are all of best legion, best traitor and best antagonists. Capable of compassion, absolutely fucking horrifying, Typhus is top-tier, Mortarion has great rules in 30k almost making up for the travesty that was draigo's heart surgery, the list goes on. The Purge are cool but theyre not even the best Nurglites, much less best heretics.

>>43668114
>>43668102
fuck i hate my connection

>>43668149
Nah it's cool mang

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>>43636236
>hang out in gamefinder threads all day
>find no games

>>43616192
Looks homosexual as heck.

>>43618315
>didn't consider Death Guard

Fuck you for real mate.

>>43618315
>no Thousand Sons

Daily reminder that Magnus did nothing wrong.

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>>43668102
>Typhus is top-tier
Typhus is dick. Maybe not Erebus-tier, but certainly up there in the realms of dickishness with the likes of Fabulous Bill.

I must admit I'm not really sure how good he is on the table 30 or 40k, but I've been wanting to do a chem heavy 30k DG army for a while.

As for that, IIRC, Morty killed a GK Master/Grandmaster, who Draigo was voted to replace by dint of being the most expendable for a suicide mission. The master, and then Draigo, had Morty's True Name™, which is good for making demons explode, but is kind of a dangerous thing to share, hence only one guy at a time knowing it. Once he exploded (to reform in the warp in however many years), that was when the cardial graffiti occured

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AAAAAAAAARGH

>>43654829
The good or bad Alpha Legion?

>>43650835
>>43652832
Raven Guard are my favorite too just Corvus needs a haircut
I'd never say it to his face though

>>43668178
I took it upon myself to try to get my friends into 40k.

A bit at a time, they learned the rules.

The interesting part is that we played Only War, with their only source of information being the Imperial Infantryman's Primer.
They had about as much knowledge as your average world average guarsdman.

Thei first encounter with Orks was brutal.

Looking at getting into some HH but still can't decide on a chapter. Pretty new to SM since I never touched them in my 40K days, did Black Templars exist pre-heresy and what was their colour scheme? I'm trying to get ideas off what Forgeworld has but it seems a bit limited.

>>43639710
Just run them through the starter campaign, it can get fucking brutal.

>picked some heavy gunner
>first combat we're just marching up, taking out swathes of these human rebels
>they stand no chance
>suddenly GM tries to throw a curveball at us with a heavy gun emplacement in a building across this courtyard
>oh no, something that may be able to actually scratch us?
>I aim at it with my HB
>Righteous Fury
>Righteous Fury
>Righteous Fury
>Righteous Fury
>Righteous Fury
>etc etc you get the idea
>level the fucking building

>>43668567
First off, read the Lexicanum to know more.

Then, Templars existed to an extent. The Templars were the IF 1st Company, the best of the best. Forgeworld has a conversion kit for them, but bear in mind that they were veterans.

What you can do though is an army based on Terran veterans IF with some Templars, enabling you to use the Black/Dark grey plus Yellow color scheme.

>>43668689
Oh right, I commonly forget about Lexicanum. Cool, will look into that more then.

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>>43668697
Pic related is an example of a Templar. Using black with yellow.

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>>43646688
>>43646898
>mfw I have a homebrew chapter based of the Franks as well
Mon frere! The White Lions of Arcule extend their most heartfelt salutations.

>>43668771
That explains why I got a bunch of Imperial Fists when I searched for pre-heresy Black Templars on Google Images...

>>43668858
Remember that they were part of the legion. On many of them you'll see the standard IF scheme with some signs, a stripe of black, a cross, the eagle and lightning bolts, sign of a terran unification war veteran or simply some black.

>>43667875
Your group sounds awesome.

>>43668858
Do you know about Sigismund?

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I like the Mexican Marines

>>43671436
Is there actually anything Spanish about them besides their names? Conquistadors seem like a cool inspiration but apart from the names I don't see any similarities.

blood ravens

>>43672323
>besides their names?
Not really.

>>43617454
Those are some fucking beautiful marines there

>>43634055
Cant' be mellow, being yellow

>>43655075
The French already did take over the World anon. A Saxon has not sat on the English throne since William I of Normandy. You seem to forget that all the wars between England and France were merely family feuds, quite literally in the case of the Hundred Year's War.

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>>43633355
Stay mad, stormfag. Lions and Templars all the way. Salamanders too.

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>>43675784
>Stormfags
>Storm Giants
>Suspected Salamenders succesors
Why are you so mean to me dad?

>>43671357
Nope.

>>43615764

>>43665620
Nope, give us the TL;DR:

>>43633330
I also didn't know I wanted this.