Flames of War: Red Tide Intensifies edition

A guy in the other thread said that he needed 14 pak 40 for his sturmkompanie... is that possible? I thought the maximum possible were 8 or i am a retard?

And what is the best list for a pak 40 spam

>>43614364
Gentlemen... I need someone to teach me how to scan...

>>43616001
Put document in scanner, press scan

>>43616564
Ha ha. More the making of a PDF once that step is finished.

I got my hands on a copy of Team Yankee. :-D

>>43615956
Not really sure what list lets you get the most PaK 40s.

But yeah, 8-12 is probably the max you can get in any one list.

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>>43616966
>I got my hands on a copy of Team Yankee.

righteous holy fucking shit!!!

well, i assemble my PDF's in InDesign
since Photoscan fag and i have the gear to graphic design we have 300$ programs that allow us to put those PDF's together

see the email.


and yeah, sturmkompanie is 2 slots of 3, and 1 of 2.
they Do get 88's as well....

>>43617171
>righteous holy fucking shit!!!

Yup. I'm grinning like an idiot right now.

The owner of my FLGS let me borrow the demo copy he got from Battlefront.

>>43617494
scan you crazy diamond, scan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>43617171
Love that program.

My FLGS shut down a while ago. Dem feels.

>>43617744
I won't have a chance to really dedicate any time to it until Sunday night due to other comments I have this weekend. I'm on staff for a convention.

But the instant I get home on Sunday I'll be working on this.

I need to return it to my FLGS by Tuesday night the latest, so I do have a deadline for working on this.

>>43617494
>my store still doesn't have a demo copy
John fucking Matthews is coming here to play it on release day get it together you kiwi fucks.

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>>43617970
this is not just opportunity...

this is DESTINY!!!!

do you see....
/fowtg/ will be the true opening release!!!

anytime before 27th is magic...

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>>43616966

>>43620203
Is that Brian motherfucking Blessed I see in the crowd?

>>43620263
and a young Christian Bale

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>>43620263
OF COURSE IT IS YOU FILTHY PEASANT!!!
HE PLAYS THOMAS BEAUFORT THE DUKE OF EXETER!!!
YYAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

>>43620287
Ian Holm?
I think I need to watch this

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>>43620296
>I think I need to watch this
THINKING IS FOR POXED FRENCH FROGS, YOU SODOMITE
DROP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WATCH IT RIGHT NOW!!!
NNNOOOOOOOWWWWW!!!
YYAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

>>43620296
Don't, it sucks. Brian Blessed has like one line worth listening to.

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BRIAN BLESSED GENERAL

BRIAN BLESSED IS NOW A SPECIAL CHARACTER
WHAT ARE HIS RULES?

>>43620390
"Ow my eyes and ears"
Cannot be gone to ground.

>>43620390
CRY HAVOC, AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR
Enemy teams assaulted by Commander Blessed reroll successful motivation checks.

>>43617171
There's free software to merge PDFs you dumb shit.

>>43620390
"Seiner Müttern, seiner Väter"
Brian Blessed shit-talks the mothers and fathers of opposing troops.

All units within line of sight (i.e hearing range of Brian Blessed) lose "enjoy the war", any reroll to motivation or morale.
Greek and italian troops affected gets the japanese morale rules instead.

>>43620513
"Dein Vadder, deine Mudder!"

>>43620263
His mouth is huge. He could swallow a Big Mac whole, I am sure.

>>43620513
>All units within line of sight (i.e hearing range of Brian Blessed)
I think you underestimate the sheer volume of Brian Blessed

>>43621334
Oh yeah sorry.
>Brian Blessed is mounted on a large base

>After enemy units retreat from an assault including BRIAN BLESSED, BRIAN BLESSED may be moved up to 10 inches. If this would take him into close combat range of retreating enemy figures, a new round of assault will be conducted.
>If BRIAN BLESSED passes his warrior save, destroy the figure that inflicted the initial hit.
>BRIAN BLESSED may be used as an artillery spotter provided artillery units are within earshot.

>>43620390
INCREDIBLY LOUD
Can reappoint troops up to 12" away, as everyone can hear him over the din of battle.

The new objectives will just be an acrylic flag won't they?
Give me your best objective diorama ideas (preferably WW2 but Team Yankee also)

>>43620478
professionally?

do tell.

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>>43621404
no, those are rules for Bruce Lee

>>43622240
An Airman and a wounded RIO hiding in some bushes.
Some commandoes escorting a VIP prisoner.
Tom Clancy frantically masturbating.
A command BMP/M113 complete with command staff.
An electrical transformer station.
A Fan Song radar.

>>43622240
actual command post models were a nice idea, until the terrain issue came up.

>>43622538
>Tom Clancy frantically masturbating.

LOL

That needs to be a Cards Against Humanity card.

>>43622240
Burnt tanks, crahed aircraft, supply/ammo stashes, etc.

>>43623116
I think we need to acquire pictures of TC from the 80's, to cast a model of sufficient accuracy for the setting.

Say, uh, is it a "destroy" or "recover" kinda objective?

>>43622240
The ones I use are:
Paras collecting drop canisters of equipment
Paras carrying wounded squadmates to an impromptu casualty station in a ruined building
The burning wreck of a Jagdpanther made with the extra parts from the plastic Panther box
A tank pitted Panther (see above)

For Team Yankee I'd be really tempted to do some sort of civilian based diorama. Something to show that it's obviously the 80s rather than the 40s. Maybe a Tesla Coil? Putin riding a horse? A nuclear missile launching?

>>43623313
>tesla coil
Hey, a Chronosphere or Iron Curtain.

>>43623313
post photos of that Jagdpanther, I'm curious how you made it with the spare parts.

>>43623746
All my shit is packed away right now, but I took one of the hulls, stuck it on a large base and built Polyfilla up around it to make it look all bogged down and so you can't see anything below the schurtzen.

>>43623448
Don't tempt me.

I fucking love Red Alert.

I've got the rulebook on pre-order, but not enough dosh for the Soviet starter kit yet. Probably in December as a Christmas gift to myself...

>>43625666
>>43623448
goddamit now i want to adapt RA to Team Yankee as soon as i get it

>>43622240
Anything besides wrecked tanks, I hope.

>>43628464
I'd imagine it's wrecked tanks. Cliché, but it works.

>>43627029
Again I shall say "don't tempt me."

>>43624050
That sounds interesting. I ought to try that.

>>43630003
>wrecked tank objectives
I just don't get why a battlegroup would put so much effort into recovering a panzer 3 that ran into a brick wall in the middle of the steppe.
I could almost understand a tiger or king tiger objective, because they are very expensive vehicles, but its still a hell of a commitment to send a whole company to retrieve it.

>>43630342
>command tank
>Observer tank carrying important maps radio codes
>important commander in it is still

>>43631334
Burnt out exploded tanks though. Now, a tank with commander dude eating his cheese sandwich, that makes sense.

>>43632255
I have mine with a handful of Tank Crew and a Rifleman posed in and around the burned out tank. Clearly it's the British/Commonwealth version of Saving Private Ryan.

>>43632448
>Private Ryan
there's another idea

do the Brits get Stuarts in any list?

Is there any possibility of other NATO factions in Team Yankee?

>>43636572
Yes.

how effective are AA MGs? Are they worth the 5pts per tank?

>>43636757
sure if you got points to spare
usually used against ground targets though

/tg/, what are the best types of Soviet Assault Guns to take in late war?

>>43636572

Yeah, all of the place in early war.

>>43636757
They're more valuable as a way of shredding infantry, and adding them pretty much makes the tanks invunerable to infantry assault by way of defensive fire. Don't trust them to keep you safe against aircraft though.

>>43636575
They've already stated that Brits are next, with West Germans after that.

Speaing of TY, I just noticed while looking at the product previews that the Hind kit comes with 4 magnets per helo; two for magnetising the hull to the flight stand and another two to magnetise the rotor assembly to the hull.
That should certainly make those things a lot easier to transport.

>>43636931
I'd say SU-100 for heavy long-range AT and the ISU-122 if you want to dig up infantry.

>>43636931

Personally, I like SU-122s, but there are pros and cons to most of them. What's in the rest of your list?

>>43636572
>>43636935
They're available in heaps in EW and MW and are a common recce option in LW, although by then there's multiple variants of Stewart and some units use hulls without the turret.

>>43636931

SU-122s are brokenly good value.
SU-100s are great for killing tanks. The rest either suck, or are too expensive for most lists.

>>43636945
> Two Strelkovy Companies, one platoon upgraded to SMG's in each Company
> Five T-34's or Three IS2-Orbr43
> 4 Zis 76mm field guns

In Berlin it's a bit different, since I can field four T-34's and the IS-2's.

>>43636955
SU-76M are great ambushers and dig out infantry well. they're cheap because their armor is paper, which is enough vs most infantry. Just prioritize the gun teams with your 3+ FP.

Had a unit of 4 take out an entire unit of 4 FV PzIV when they ambushed. Considering they're 1/3 of the cost of those panzers, even if it doesn't always work it will pose a threat- their guns are just as good as the ones on a PzIV, with Volley Fire.

>>43636972
May i ask why you only take 5 T-34's? they perform better in bigger units due to morale and squishyness reasons.

>>43637194

Aren't they AT9?

>>43637200
Still need to buy more, also I'm a great fan of infantry.

>>43637194
>SU-76

Yeah against infantry with just small arms, otherwise no. I guess if you can take them if you like them but getting 4 platoon trained tanks with FA3 across the table is not going to happen. Hunting vehicles down with hen and chick, wont go terribly well either.

SU-122 are superior in shooting and are practically a serious threat to everything except the heaviest side armor. I had them shitfuck up my easy eights once really fucking bad when they flanked in dustup. They can really do a number on trained tanks without that much of armor. You have one round to shoot them off because they volleyfire trough the front plate and they will almost never fail firepower checks. And against infantry they are practically the soviet equivalent of Khorne Berzerkers.

>>43636938
That's great then, British Challengers and Chieftains I hope.

I'm keen on making East Germans myself, should be a matter of changing the markings on vehicles

>>43637653
Yeah, for East German forces, they'd mostly need new infantry models and potentially a set of decals for the markings.

Should be pretty good.

Studying the BtA Team Yankee rulebook video, it looks like direct fire smoke has also changed in a pretty simple way:
If a team gets hit by direct-fire smoke, they count as concealed for anything shooting at them and they count anything they're shooting at as concealed.
Moving removes the smoke effect early.

That certainly simplifies things a bit.

>>43637873
You forgot that the smoke itself stays in place where it was fired at even if the team moves out of the smoke.

>>43638560
Ah, that part must have been one of the hard-to-read pieces in the video.

Looking forward to reading everything in full detail.

>>43632255
>>43630342
A knocked-out tank would make sense, but not a burnt-out and exploded one. I agree with you there. Anon up there was talking about his Jagdpanther marker, and I can see that being necessary for recovery.

Has anyone ever tried a fully mechanised list, like panzergrenadiers, Half-track mortars, marders and that?

>>43638570
I can answer questions, today and tomorrow. I have the book with me.

But I won't have a chance to begin scanning until tomorrow night.

I'm not home this weekend. I'm on-staff at a sci-fi convention at the moment.

>>43638741
One thing I'm wondering about: what are the effects of different numbers of guns on the bombardment to-hit scores?

And how exactly do minelets work?

>>43638741

How do assaults go?

>>43638727
Not myself, but I've seen them around. They're viable.

>>43638727

I'd rarely take a light-vehicles-only list - normally I'd want at least one platoon of real tanks or assault guns - but yes, I've done it. Lists where everything was mobile, and my strongest armour was my Pumas with FA3.

Tanks will, to put it mildly, push in your shit. But against an infantry list, you can redeploy so quickly that you can focus your effect anywhere you like, and, subject to terrain, utterly outmanoeuvre the enemy.

>>43638958
>Tanks will, to put it mildly, push in your shit.
Wouldn't you just dismount and dig in at that stage? PF armed Panzergrens, with mechanised guns, SPG arty, etc, should do alright against tanks.

>>43638846
>what are the effects of different numbers of guns on the bombardment to-hit scores?

1 gun: +2 to hit
2 guns: +1 to hit
3 or 4 guns: no modifier
5 or 6 guns: -1 to hit
7 or more guns: -2 to hit

>And how exactly do minelets work?

Range in as normal. Place 1 minefield marker per 3 guns firing within 2 inches of ranged-in marker.

May be done once per game per unit with minelets.

>>43638933
>How do assaults go?

I don't have the time to really read and summarize at the moment, but it looks much the same as assaults in standard FoW.

>>43639096

Disclaimer, the below is just me, and no doubt smarter men than me have figured out a way...

>dismount and dig in

Sure. But only up to a point. Yes, your infantry can dig in, but your support platoons tend to be squishy, and small. You leave yourself vulnerable to a company-break attempt if you play they too aggressively, but are vulnerable to outmanoeuvre yourself if you hide them away. It's a challenge.

>>43639403
I dunno what support platoons you're taking that are leading you to getting wrecked against Tanks?

My experience with both Panzer Lehr and US has been positive. Both ARP and Panzer Lehr get big combat platoons with a ton of anti infantry and AT fire. My support platoons generally consist of recce (the special rules help a little but this is a compromise any list that may attack has to take), armoured mortars (small platoon but DFS and/or dismounting helps), ATGs or marders (pretty great at defense), indirect fire assets like Nebs or 105s (also fine on defence)

Legit interested in what support units you're finding to be the weak point of your list on defence?

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>>43639241
>>43638933
For the person asking about Assaults in Team Yankee.

Pic Related.

>>43641790

Wait... infantry assaulting tanks got a ton worse! Always being TA2 against Top Armour massively reduces the value of man-portable AT.

>>43642766
That's where hitting SA with your AT rating comes in.
Only, Abrams and T-72 have composite armour to protect them from HEAT rounds, if that works in assaults.

>>43642766
you can still choose to soot side w' AT, hoss.

>>43642804
>>43642885

Yeah, but side armour tends to be a lot higher. 8 Side vs 2 Top for both Abrams and T-72, and 16/13 vs HEAT respectively. Compare that to AT 17 for the RPG-7. Plus these heavier weapons are harder to swing in close combat, needing 6 to hit for the RPG-7, and 5+ for the Dragon ATGM.

>>43642766
That was my impression as well. Infantry will have a much tougher time with tank assaults.

Both US and Soviet tanks have higher side armor against HEAT weapons, and most man-portable anti-tank rockets have the HEAT rule.

So it looks like destroying tanks will be the job of other tanks, higher AT missiles and rockets, or strike aircraft and helicopters.

>>43642970

>So it looks like destroying tanks will be the job of other tanks, higher AT missiles and rockets, or strike aircraft and helicopters.

Which seems appropriate. I just wonder - as did military planners at the time - what role infantry will play on the modern battlefield. The traditional rock-paper-scissors seems to have been re-balanced.

>>43643028
Is this a settled issue now? I admit TY is the first time I've been interested in cold war stuff.

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I don't see what has changed when matching up infantry vs tanks its always been the infantry shacking up somewhere and playing the area denial game. Team Yankee looks to be the same.

Looking at the numbers PACT or NATO infantry is hardly helpless, no way you are going to want to assault them unless you had no choice.

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>>43643527
Perhaps. I haven't really been able to study the book in depth yet.

>>43647158
Damn it, man! Get on that!

Any idea when we might expect a scan of Great War? Or am I the only person excited about that?

>>43649534
I think Bartosz might eventually be working out n a scan of that.

In the meantime I'll be attempting to scan Team Yankee starting tomorrow night.

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>>43636938
>They've already stated that Brits are next
oh shit, i want my challys so bad and i hope there will be harriers too

>>43651387

Oh hell yes. And the AV-8A could also appear for the USMC, assuming they got a look in.

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>>43651387
I hope they put in the swingfire armed version of the FV432. Should be intresting to see how they imlement the missile firing in an arc and hitting from the top.

>>43651466
will it count as hitting the top armour then?

>>43651593
It's kinda from the top, not an artillery strike. I personally would make it work more like aircraft cannons so it would hit the sides, it would be more balanced but still pretty accurate on how it works irl.

I'm not sure that top armour represents literally the armour of the roof of the tank so much as its protection against artillery fire and infantry attack. A top armour hit could, I think, include things like wheels or tracks getting blown out.

Anyway, I like the suggestion of hitting side armour the other guy gave.

>>43651387
I want Chinooks.

>>43651817
Do they ue chinooks in combat though? I always thoght chinooks had a purely transport role and it was used only to move troops from base to base or from base near a combat zone but not getting directly involved in combat.

>>43651817
>>43652537
I think we might see Black Hawks instead.

In fact, I'm hoping that the second wave of US/Soviet stuff (after the Brits and Germans) will provide airmobile formations for both sides.
That could be pretty cool, especially when facing off against each other.

>>43652578
I would die to see apaches, afterall they were introduced in '84 so it's not impossible we will see them. Maybe we will get them along T-72As, Bradleys, M1A1s and other upgraded stuff

>>43652578
>British black hawks
What?

The chinook (some emphasis on "the") is an iconic image of the Falklands era British Army, so I'd like to see it in game.

>>43652603
>along T-72A
Allegedly the "T-72" in TY is, in fact, supposed to be a T-72A.

>>43652603
Techincally, the T-72 we have in TY is the A variant, just without the optional ERA attached. It has the composite armour and stuff.

I suspect they might release a pack with plastic ERA addon sprues for the T-72 and a new T-80 kit instead.

Bradleys are a given and from what we've seen the pieces for the M1A1 are already in the plastic kit that has been shown. We just won't get stats and points values immediately.

As for Apaches, maybe. I'm not sure they'd add that much intertesting stuff beyond what the Cobra already offers.
I think a helo for US airmobile forces would be more interesting in general.

>>43652622
Really? The rules seems a bit underwhelming, i mean it lacks Kontact wich was one of its main features, the cannon had a stabilizer wich was on par with that mounted on NATO tanks while in-game it's a bit worse and finally it completely lacks the missile launcher capability wich was another of its main features.

>>43652650
Welcome to BF. Even at their best they can't do Soviets right.

>>43652623
>I'm not sure they'd add that much intertesting stuff beyond what the Cobra already offers.

Big fat piles of Hellfire assrape. Instead of TOWs.

>>43652650
>>43652654
Looking around, it seems Kontakt was introduced in 1985, while this is set in 1984.

In fact, the sources I found state that ERA on the T-72A is entirely optional; the main features separating it from the basic T-72 are the laser rangefinder, improved fire control and composite armour.

>>43652658
>Hellfire missiles.
Oh yes, those things.
For when you absolutely need to wreck those Soviet tanks.

I was sure it could fire missiles, though?

>>43652740
That's the T-72B. The A didn't really have that feature.

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>>43652658
>tfw you'll never have a attack heli waifu to compliment for his big racks
why live?

Tried fiddling a little with the pdf we have with all the leaked rules for TY. Here's a list:
1x HQ abrams
3x abrams
3x abrams
full mech platoon
2x m901s
4x m163s
3x m109s
1x fist
4x warthogs
99 pts, 6? platoons ( don't know TY rules yet, i'm not sure if the fist team and the warthogs count as platoons)
So how's looking? I think AA will play a major role in TY while it's mostly useless in FoW.

>>43652965
Looks decent.

The Abrams numbers seem kinda small, but we don't really lnow how things will work out with that yet, so it might be fine.

The Mech infantry should be a useful area-denial tool, at the very least against lighter Soviet vehicles.
In particular, the M901s should do well backing them up.

M163s seem to be almost a requirement for US forces in case the oponent brings along Hinds or Frogfoots. You need something bigger than a .50 cal to dissuade them.

The M109s with FIST seem useful as well.
Maybe spend that last unused point to give them bomblets or minelets?

Warthogs should deal tons of damage unless you fly them into a gauntlet of AA.

> 6? platoons ( don't know TY rules yet, i'm not sure if the fist team and the warthogs count as platoons)
TY has Units instead of platoons.
You have 7, 8 once the infantry disembarks. Aircraft are units in TY.

>I think AA will play a major role in TY while it's mostly useless in FoW.
I agree on that.

>>43652965
Regarding platoon count your Combat Team (battalion? Whatever the fuck it is that has an HQ) takes morale based on its platoons ignoring support choices. So your A-10s won't count towards you losing if they die, but won't bolster your numbers for break point either.

>>43652965
>>43653070
Yeah, only the units actually in your Armoured Combat Team count for formation morale. If that formation runs off (which can happen if all units in it are destroyed or in bad spirits) all of your support units will call GG as well.

A unit is in bad spirits if it has less than 2 operational vehicles or less than 3 infantry teams.

So you should be pretty careful with those units.

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Looking at the back of the BMP box (pic related), it looks like the upper hull plus turret bits in the kits are entirely separate, which means it should be possible to magnetize the upper hulls and use your BMP models as both BMP-1 and BMP-2 as needed.

That's pretty interesting and useful.

>>43653043
I'm still deciding wether to take mines or bomblets

>>43653186
My experience with magnetising stuff is that I'd rather just run the wrong turret than have seperate upper hulls, but it's nice if the option is there.

>>43653248
>My experience with magnetising stuff
what's wrong with magnetising?

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>>43652650

Keep in mind a few of things about Team Yankee

1) In game its 1985 and both NATO and PACT equipment was in flux as old stuff was being retired. A lot of new American equipment especially had just started to be handed out to front line units, stuff that would later become famous in the 1st Iraq war.

2)Battle front doesn't have the resources to roll out every bit of equipment that was used by both sides all at once. For this initial release they are focusing on what was in the Team Yankee book. Expect more and more variant equipment in future releases. Thankfully upgrading will be as simple as swapping out the cards.

3) The T-72 stuff has been covered but as other posters have said, the T-72A didn't have an ATGM and while ERA was available it like a lot of other things was new and not always present. I expect that the next round of releases will include at least a card for the T-72B which will have an ATGM and at least the option for ERA.

>>43653620
I find it can be a lot of work (especially dealing with superglue plus magnets where tools are often impractical) and the end product can often end up looking worse than just using a slightly incorrect one. Like, my BF Churchills have magnetised barrels so that you can switch between 75s and 6 pdrs but they end up sitting wonkily and look worse than if I were just using the 6pdr model as a 75, if that makes sense?

Likewise, the BMP 2 looks similar enough to the BMP 1 in that picture that I think I'd rather build the BMP-2 that I'd use 90% of the time and switch in just the BMP-1 turret than risk various complications and wonkiness?

Or take the Panther box as an example. One could build them with magnetised hulls but I'd only ever want to use 3 Jagdpanthers and already had five PSC Panthers so I just built 3 / 2.

>>43653718
but magntising a turret (where battlefront has left holes for magnets) is a lot different to doing gun barrels or a whole hull.

>>43654218
Yes? That's exactly what I'm saying. It's easy to magnetise the turrets but magnetising gun barrels or upper hulls is not worth the effort in my experience.

Also, Eagles, if you're reading: how does the Spearhead rule (for recce teams) work? The bit on the card isn't a proper explanation.

>>43654936
I'll be on break in about 2 hours. I'll look up the answer then.

Anyone able to link the leaked PDF?

>>43655372
"The leaked PDF"?

>>43655372
Screaming Eagle has a pre-release copy he's scanning.

>>43655588
It's a pdf with all the stats card realeased by breakthrough assault in the past weeks

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I bought all four Zvezda Shermans at my FLMS, only to discover when I got home that one was an imposter.

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>>43656530
I'm not going to build them tonight (all my hobby stuff is in storage) but I will say that the M4 seems to be almost exactly the same size as the PSC kit.

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>>43655588
>>43656166
>pic related, not the eagles scan.

>>43652650
they are...it works like a T-72 ural w' a LRF

>>43649660
>>43649534
FUCK!!!!!! i almost forgot....
i'll work on it, i'm occupied today, but i'll work on it....

>>43655731
Yes. I'll begin on that tonight.

Also, all questions will be answered tonight.

I dint even get my promised break, just 5 minutes or so to breathe between each event.

>>43653659
You mean to say, "It's an American game, Americans need to win", amirite?

>>43658196

That meme's getting real old. Give it a rest, let it recover.

>>43649534
Your not the only one...
I plan on getting either Brett's Brawlers or Claverys Chargers to go with my Biltzs Battlegroup

>>43658258
Is it really a meme if BF thinks it's true?

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>>43659084
so, 3 of us...

well, scans it is...

>>43659851
Please read some relevant history texts then come back.

>>43660774
Tell that to BF.

>>43660794
I never understood why people are so ready to shit on something before it's even considered finished.

>>43660845
Oh come on. now. It is not that the an conspiracy of ancient marxist leninists that demands vengeance for the failed proletarian dictatorships by shitposting all over the net. Anyone with basic historical knowledge of the soviet fightan tactics that go beyond the AMERICA FUCK YEAH! historical approach knows Battlefront writes HORRIBLY INACCURATE rules for soviets.

somebody up-thread was asking about spearhead.

Here is the rule.

Sorry for the enormous size, I'm posting straight from my phone.

I'm fucking exhausted from the Con, so scanning will be most of the day tomorrow.

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>>43661522
And I forgot the photo...

I should stop posting and call it a night.

>>43661544
i had to read that sideways

>>43662526
I took it right side up...

*shrug*

>>43660339
You. I like you.

>>43664700
one has to make the scans to deliver the scans...so hold off the love for now...

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>try open fire pak40's
>made of explodium
>pain in the ass to build
>try the metal box
>horrific mold lines
>mold slippage
>still a pain in the ass to build
>mfw the suffering will never end

>>43666039
Hey I can love him all I want! At least someone here is excited about Great War. I always fear I'm in the minority of players with FoW. I don't play any major powers, I prefer Early and Mid to Late War stuff, and I couldn't give less of a fuck about Team Yankee.

>>43666206
dude, i came up with a way to take those out w/o exploding..do i have to make a pasta out of it?

>>43666391
Great War, yay. i like it , but honestly, i like Modern War more (i have this sick facsination with real world fuckery)

anyone know where they have WWI 15mm brits with the Capn' hats over the Tin hats?

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>soon tm

needs some more pak 40's but can't find room in the list

>>43656530
>>43656549

Are these acceptable for use as Emcha (M4)'s?

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>>43666206
> mfw had no issues at all with the metal Pak-40's
> mfw possibly some of the easiest metal models I've ever had to build

>>43622538
A cardboard box

>>43667481

yup, it's 76mm version

>>43666522
>needs some more pak 40s
you've already got 8 of the buggers!

>>43661544
Thanks.

That does look pretty interesting and potentially quite worthwhile both as an attacker and as a defender.

Looks like I'll be trying to squeeze some recon BMPs in most of my Soviet lists.

>>43668674
>Thanks.

Not a problem. I figure that since I have it early I'll try to help people see what it's all about.

>That does look pretty interesting and potentially quite worthwhile both as an attacker and as a defender.

Indeed. I need to double check and see if the US also has anything with that rule.

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I have a huge amount of rare colorised pics from WW2. The overwhelming majority of them are Hungarian. Would you people be interested in an image dump?

>>43666522
>6 PaK 40s
>4 Marder IIIs
What the fuck

Thinking of working on some small scatter terrain for TY to give things that more modern feeling.

Aside from traffic signs, what else would you expect to see around the West-German countryside around that time?

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>>43667979
>>43670695
Pffff thats nothing. That's not even the most you can take.

Here's the most you can take in this list lus some fun stuff like the assault rifle/pzfst command team who can move and shoot and ambush all on his own.

If you take this list at full retard strength, you can have 13 pak 40's, 9 on the ground, 4 on marders. 2 of the ground ones can combat attach to your infantry platoons, and another platoon can go into immediate ambush. Not to mention all the panzershrecks, the duck, and panzeffausts on pretty much any man with working hands.

The only thing that sucks is that I think they changed the list in the grey wolf edit. Used to be I thought you could take 17 pak 40's of various types.

>>43670514
Go for it. Historical photos are always welcome.

>>43666206
>try open fire pak40's
>made of explodium

Threre is a way to do it. It just involves cutting the sprue itself to relieve some of the tension that causes the Explodium factor.

>>43666440
>do i have to make a pasta out of it?

Not a bad idea.

Guys, would you say it's kinda mean to bring a trio of ISU-122s to a tournament where all lists are required to be infantry/mech and the points limit is 900?

Quick update on the Team Yankee scan.

Progress is slow, but going good. The images are looking really fucking nice considering the scanner itself is probably close to a decade(?) old.

Between tonight and tomorrow night I should be able to scan the whole book. Then I'l need to figure out the PDF making process...

>>43675636
Are those the ones with breakthrough guns?

If so, it might be a little bit mean.

>>43675706
Good to hear. You're a gentleman and a scholar Eagles. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

How was the convention?

>>43670514

Hungarians are always welcome here.

>>43676921
Cheeky cunts eh

>>43676921
Damn, who gets a kingtiger for xmas or maybe it's Hanukkah ? Was that one WW2 movie right? If you survive the camp they give you a tank?

>>43676921
Plastic king tiggers?

>>43677453
If they include a porche turret option in the kit I am so goddamn sold it's not funny

>>43677453
Read that as 'plastic king niggers' for a second there

>>43677655

>4chan

>>43676158
>Good to hear. You're a gentleman and a scholar Eagles.

Thank you.

>Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Plenty of people do. I try my best to ignore them though.

>How was the convention?

Lots of fun. Hectic as fuck, but lots of fun.

A lot of very stressful stuff tends to be going on with staff members behind the scenes to make it seem to the general public like everything is running smoothly.

I'll probably go into some details in my next Eagles' Nest episode.

>>43676516
>Hungarians are always welcome here.

Indeed. Especially their Assault Pancakes and Assault Jacuzzis.

God damn it...

http://www.team-yankee.com/Default.aspx?tabid=878&art_id=5043

>>43679671
Sasuga BF

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>>43679671
Kek'd

Knew that shit would happen

>>43679671
Ugh... Seriously...?

Not exactly the kind of motivation I need right now while frantically trying to scan a demo copy the rule book...

>>43679671
Has BF released a product on time in the past 2 years? I remember one time my shop had a book delayed for a month because it was stuck in Detroit on a truck or some stupid shit.

>>43681329
I should tell the "Looking for your Nuts?" story on the podcast at some point.

And very rarely they do get stuff out on time. They just have a bit of a track record for being a bit off most of the time.

Also, >>43681277 was me.

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>>43679671
Jesus spiral-diving RapeChrist assfucking Le'Smugfaggot McNiggerbastard!

by that time i will have my A-10's painted!!!
PAINTED!

FUUUCCCKKKKKKK!!!!

unless i've screwed up my conversion somewhere if the team yankee choppers are actually 1/100 they'll be 6-7 inches long...that seems huge, and makes them larger than the aircraft.

>>43681639
Hinds are fucking huge. So that might not be a mistake.

>>43681903
i'm just thinking that they should have done them at 1/144 like the aircraft. but maybe then they figured that people would go buy the zvezda ones that are already out in that scale

>>43682350
it's a carry over from vietnam....

which is odd, because guess what size the DSF-230 gliders for the Falli's are?

1/144.

Quick update on the Team Yankee scan.

It's 1am here in New York, and I've managed to scan *just* over half of the book.

I can honestly say I apreciate the work of our other scanfags that much more now. This is a mind-numbing, time consuming process.

Scanning will continue after work tomorrow.

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>>43683394
tell me about it...
one thing i do is i find out if my scanner will auto-adjust after a scan, and if so, i skip the preview/align step. you can get real shit that way, but damn, it's faster....

BTW: great war SOON.

i did skip the bullshit: there is no open spread of nothing but mini's photo's, and i left out the essay on tonks..it's the rules, all the rules, and a tad shorter

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so, like i said...

http://www.mediafire.com/view/uv2dymhxc7a97f7/Great_War.pdf

it's Great War time....

>>43684300

wait...

>28min download?
gimme a sec.

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>>43677655
>plastic king niggers
Detroits finest

>>43684367
lolz.

ok, this time, something you can download...with less quality:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/kk9rel0v0j02mb2/Great_War_scan.pdf

>>43683394
We pray for you brave soul

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sorry to be a massive fag, but I'm really let down by the cost/quantity of the team yankee boxed sets

>>43684686

Yeah, you're being a massive fag. 9 tanks and 2 helicopters, plus some extra crap, for $120 is pretty consistent with their existing price schemes. 5 big tanks for $72 is already standard. We're getting a slight discount.

>>43684718
which box is 9 tanks, 2 helicopters?

>>43684718
>>43684798

ooooh shit, it's 9 T-72s. I thought it was 6. I stand corrected.

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>>43673905
>>43676516
>>43677827

Very well, here goes.

>>43677453
Doubt it; there's not the market to sell them in a high enough quantity to justify it I don't think.

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[HUNGARY INTENSIFIES]

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*tips bocskai sapka

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Desperate defense against the Bolshevik onslaught: now in full color.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oFMfUPrFDw

>>43684902
>plastic king/jagdtigger box
Pls Battlefront
I would buy multiple without even thinking.
I hope it happens

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrqPTmIEkZU

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>>43684970
>plastic Jagdtigers
MUH DICK IS HARDER THAN KRUPP STEEL.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RXHIjobLA4

>>43684836
It's 10 actually because of the delay.

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Note the nose art.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhJnbYTMJcU

>>43685009
Can't actually tell what the nose art is supposed to be

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>>43685022

The squadron insignia of the 1st 'God's Sword' Heavy Bomber Squadron.

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Turan, undergoing maintenance. Turans were reliable, but overengineered; maintenance was a real pain.

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Pz IV in Hungarian service. Compared to a Turan, a Pz IV had better firepower but Turans had superior mobility on rough terrain.

>>43685002
Only if you preorder, though.

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Another Turan. If there were plastic 1:35 Turan kits available, I'd totally start a WW2 Hungary themed Warhammer 40K army with converted Turans instead of Leman Russ tanks.

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Toldis. Solid light tanks, good against light targets and reconnaissance, useless against T-34's.

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War reporters. Both of them are really, really far away from home. Especially the shorter one.

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Everyone's favorite Assault Pancake.

Don't be fooled by the riveted construction and the WW1-esque shape, Zrinyis were deadly weapons. Zrinyi crews typically had good morale, even by the very end of the war.

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Assault Jacuzzis in a garage.

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Field chaplain. Soldiers had little regard for civilian priests but army chaplains put the fear of God into the souls of even the most hard-hearted men. Chaplains were also officers, entitled for a salute and to bear a sword. Seriously.

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Tiger in Hungarian service. Hungarian tankers took heavy casualties in southern Poland in 1944 but Model was sufficiently impressed with their performance to have 10 Tigers and some trainers diverted to the Hungarians to see how they can play with bigger toys.

After a brief training, the Hungarian Tigers were unleashed on the Soviets. Sweet, sweet revenge was had for the fallen comrades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8BfnlWpoa0

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Remove Sturmovik

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More Jacuzzi.

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Botond. All-terrain vehicle. When it comes to WW2 military hardware, trucks get the praise they deserve and the Botond was the army truck that all other Axis army trucks aspired to be.

Only two things could overcome the legendary Russian mud that used to flood Russia's roads in springtime: horses and the Botond. The Botond remained in service after the war, all the way to 1949.

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>PEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEW

>Lajos pls.

>PEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEW

>Lajos pls. Stop it. Nobody likes you.

>PEWPEWPEWPEW NO PEWPEWPEW

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This picture perfectly sums up the Eastern Front.

And now, I'll take a break.

>>43684961
>colored by

Goddamit I hate this shit. If it's fucking black and white LEAVE IT BLACK AND WHITE.

This shit makes looking up historical chemes a massive fucking pain in the ass

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>>43684902
>doubt there's a market for plastic king tigers

Nigga we have plastic M26's, and you can literally take no more than 5 in a list.

almost every major German book in the late war has some sort of King tiger list that, depending on points, can take up to 10 of the bastards. Especially if they come with Porsche turrets.

Not to mention people would buy them just for "apocalypse" games. I knew a store where they'd do a 4,000pt game every week just so they could break out all their Soviet and kraut heavy tanks at once. My god I've never seen so many king tigers and jagdtigers in my life.

I guarantee you that if a plastic king tiger box came out tomorrow, I'd buy enough to make at least 6. If they have options to make Porsche variants and jagdtigers, I'd buy enough to make 10. And I'd guarantee you damn near every German player out there would get a box just so he could run nachtjager and Desperate Measures lists.

also, I didn't realize thebritish had returned, missed that guy

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>>43656549
Partially painted PSC M4A3 for comparison purposes.

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>>43685865
It's ever so slightly bigger than the PSC model in such a way that you'd only notice when putting them next to each other.

Overall, I like it. The price is great, it's a quick build and the details seem to be better and more pronounced than the PSC model for the most part. No Sherman turret or options like tank commanders is unfortunate, mind you.

>>43685370
everyone wished they were in the west?

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Bad news, Team Yankee got delayed. New Release date is December 12th.

The news is that If you pre-ordered you get an extra tank for your trouble though.

They say that they are having trouble with the die for the T-72, and in general they are being slower than they thought they would due to the size of the new vehicles.

Its on the Team Yankee official site.


>>43684718

Team Yankee uses a new 10x10 inch template (Apparently for the new artillery types or something) which is in the army deals, and at least according to the price I was quoted will cost $27 dollars when its available separately.

So assuming you where going to buy the new template the deal is a little better.

>>43686529
If they're having trouble with the dies then the 12th of December is rather optimistic.

>>43686634
I'd assume they *had* trouble and they were trying to catch up in time for the release date without letting the general public know about the behind the scenes trouble.

Only now they know they won't catch up, they're letting us know why, and they're pushing the release date back.

>>43686529
Bannon's boys an pom bears or whatever will still be available to purchase after the release right, they aren't just pre-order exclusive

>>43687491
My FLGS is supposed to be getting in several copies of both the US and Soviet set for team Yankee.

So it doesn't seem like it's a pre-order only item.

I'd imagine it'll probably be like most of the other plastic Army Box sets they've released recently.

>>43685879
sadly, i like the Zvezda model more....

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>>43685981

I presume.

Interesting historical fact: A few Hungarian units were in Austria or Germany when the war ended and they surrendered to the British instead of the Soviets. The British treated them well and (due to Churchill's distrust towards the Soviets and Tito) some units were allowed to keep their weapons. There was one instance when the relations between the local British HQ and the Hungarian commanders was so good that the Hungarian troops were allowed to handle tasks like guarding the Allied HQ complex at Bergen. Turans and Toldis were patrolling the vincinity of the HQ, fueled by British fuel, the Allies needed every other tank at the time at other posts.

In other words, at one point there were Hungarian tanks in British service.

>>43687491
From what I have been told is that there will be this 1 run and that's it.

My flgs ordered ~12 boxes and all of them are already spoken for though odds are a few don't get picked up and so end up on the shelf.

>>43688366
Is that the same as what they normally do for their army boxes?

Those tend to be one production run as well if I'm not mistaken.

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>>43685354
>current mood: amused

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>my feet hurt
>this sandwich tastes like shit
>seriously, fuck this place
>why am I even here?
>Bela is standing next to me
>I don't like Bela
>would he trade his shades for two months of cigarette rations?
>Istvan is tinkering with the turret again
>I don't like Istvan either
>although he is a damn fine mechanic, the unit would fall apart without him
>come to think of it, I DO like Istvan, he isn't a bad guy
>I wish I was home reading a dime novel or playing chess with the folks or go to town to see a movie or something
>or a boxing match
>or a football game, but I bet half of the team is drafted like me
>the fucking sandwich makes me miss real food even more
>will I escape this hellhole to eat one more hot, steaming bowl of that Szeged fish soup that Uncle Gyorgy makes so well at that inn?
>I could kill for some of that fish soup right now
>I just kill
>I kill because they tell me to
>this is what the basically the entire fucking world does nowadays
>fuck this bullshit war

>>43687986
I agree, and I don't think that's sad.

Update on the Team Yankee scan. I'm 75% done.

I should be able to finish it tomorrow night.

In the mean time, I have a Star Wars Armada game tonight. Wish me luck.

>>43694207
>Update on the Team Yankee scan. I'm 75% done.
>I should be able to finish it tomorrow night.
Sweet. Looking forward to it.

>>43695047
I'll still have to figure out how to compile it into a PDF once I'm done.

Or just hand off the images to one of our usual scanfags to turn it into a PDF.

>>43698112
i think both of the scan fags are a bit tied up, but it's possible...

>>43698112
I can compile it if you have them saved as individual PDFs. I have the plugin for adobe acrobat on my laptop through my work.

>>43699473
I've been saving each page as one really large, really high dpi JPEG.

And I'll have like 120ish images like that by the time I'm done.

>>43699543
Yeah, I am willing to at least take a stab at it. Hopefully I can do it without screwing up the quality.

On another related note, I hear that German's are definitely in the pipeline for TY. Sorry if that is common knowledge already, but I am looking forward to fielding Leopard 2s.

>>43699644
>Yeah, I am willing to at least take a stab at it. Hopefully I can do it without screwing up the quality.

Send me an email to the panzerfunk email address. Maybe we can figure something out.

If not I have the other scanfags that I can contact for advice.

>>43685865
>>43685879
Is that green stuff on the M4A3? Also, are you Herbert?

>>43690464
csabaway. eat fresh.


hippie bullshit whining. i feel dead when i'm safe at the office, and i feel alive after a 5k run or a day caught in bad weather outside. war would be awesome, assuming i had a chance

is FV EtW Infantry as indestructible/immovable as it sounds?

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>>43701015

I feel the same, although there is a good chance that I'd change my mind and realize that war might not be as energizing as I first thought it to be

>>43699644
So are germans going to be next? Any news about britbongs being in the pipeline too?

>>43701015
>>43702067
Lots of wars going on in the world. What's stopping you from joining?

>>43700014

Really do appreciate it, helps make up for the shittiness of the army boxes.

Pretty sure there's lots of free PDF creators that just throw the images into a document at acceptable quality, I had 2-3 on my phone just for scanning.

>>43700018
I'm not Herbert, and that's the paint job. Heavily faded / worn whitewash over OD.

Painting Russians for a friend. I bought the PSC Russian Uniform spray to speed up the time involved. However, the spray is more greenish than brown that I was expecting. I don't think Khaki grey or khaki would be a good highlight color.

What do you recommend /tg/?

>>43702898
Highlight with kakhi lightened with iraqui sand maybe?

>>43702952
I'll try and test is later if on one has any suggestions. These are the new plastics artillery crew so if I fuck it up I can't strip them easily if at all.

>>43702976
...Plastic is easy to strip. Just use simple green or some other commonly-available floor cleaner.

>>43703014
Its plastics in 15mm. Its not worth the hours of time and effort it will take to strip them bare, not to mention the care as not to break any arms etc.

>>43703044
Soak overnight, abrade gently with a soft toothbrush. Easy, minimal risk. It's not that hard.

>>43685415
I've been lurking around a bit, not posted much because I've had no money to buy stuff to paint, which is generally 90% of what I post lol.
I recently bought another box of panthers and some sdkfz 250s though, just waiting for the rain to fuck off so I can basecoat them.

>>43703099
So, May?

>>43703144
Nah, by early Feb I should have found a new apartment, I'll just spray them indoors and ruin the bathroom again

>>43702414

I am sure we will see them. I just haven't gotten a confirmation about them. We played a microarmor scenario with a ruleset i can't quite remember, and the rifled 120 mm main guns on the centurion tanks shredded the soviet armor.

>>43700014
I'll send an email this morning after the class I have to teach.

Question:
I am making a italian force for eastern front and i want to use some bersaglieris, the battlefront ones are accurates for the east? or they need a conversion?

>>43705410
Speaking of TY, which of the countires initially released would you prefer to play?
US or Soviets?

And for that country, would you prefer infantry, mech or combined (2-formation) lists?

>>43704071
I don't know enough about Italian uniforms and equipment to answer that question. Hopefully someone else can be more helpful.

>>43706965
>Speaking of TY, which of the countires initially released would you prefer to play?
>US or Soviets?

Americans. I've got a major hard-on for the M1 and the A-10.

Although I might eventually be tempted by the West Germans and their Leopards.

>And for that country, would you prefer infantry, mech or combined (2-formation) lists?

I'll probably be primarily Tank focused initially since that's what'll be in the starter set. But eventually I might go for two formations, one Armored, and one Mechanized Infantry.

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>>43706965
Pic relevant.

I'd prolly go for a tank battalion, but with small-ish companies and a big BMP-2 Moto company backing 'em up. Plus arty, AA and glorious Hinds of course.

Also NVA once they get released.

>>43707669
Why does everyone love the Hind?

They're large ugly machines.

>>43706965
I've got the Sov kit on pre-order.

So hype.

>>43709971
That's part of the Hind's charm.

>>43709971
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

33% off at Battlefront until 1st December.

THIRTY
THREE
PERCENT

>>43710964
Told y'all it wouldn't be plastic King Tigers.

>>43710964
>check to see if Team Yankee pre-orders are included in 33% Off sale
>they are not

Damn. I was hoping to score a little bit better of a deal. Especially after they added an extra tank to the preorder boxes.

>>43712010
That would have been awesome.

But I can completely understand why they're not doing it.

What time period is the Cold War era? I've heard either 60's or 70's.

>>43715748
Team Yankee is set in the 1980s. I have never considered why we always consider the Russians assaulting Europe in the 1980s and not before.

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>>43715839
For wargaming specifically, probably because the big western toy don't get to feature and they'd have to fight hoards of T-64s, T-62s and T-55s with just M60A1s, M48s, Leopard 1s and Chieftains, and probably lose.

That or worse because the obvious crunch-points would be the early '60s with the Berlin and Cuban Missile Crisis as catalysts, so even fewer fancy toys for everyone.

It's like why most wargamers gravitate to 1944-45 for WW2 games.

That and way more chance of having to use tactical nukes, and gamers hate using nukes on anything because it means lots of toys getting taken off the table.

>>43715748
So, you know when WWII ended? If you aren't babby, should know when the cold war ended too. That should tell you.

>>43715839
Seems like there were better times for the USSR to do it. But the book was written in 1987, and historical fiction doesn't sell as well.

>>43715839
Because we all want to see that hot M1 on T-72 action.

>>43715748

Depends on how you define it but the "Cold War" is widely considered to be a period that began in 1947 and lasted late into 1991 (the soviet union dissolved itself in December).

Also read a goddamn book you idiot. Were you home-schooled by neo-primitives or something?

>>43715839

Up until the Soviets had the bomb (early 50's) we would have nuked the shit out of them the second a Commie put his toe over the West German border. FREEDOM Victory YEA!!!! (Hope you stocked up on Rad-X! LOL FALLOUT4 REFERENCE GET IT GUYS).

Ignoring Nukes, the Soviets probably would have won if the war went hot in the 60-70's. They had better tanks, jets, etc... and more of them. The West was undergoing some painful cultural changes and between that and the Vietnam war the American Military was mentally and spiritually gutted. I remember seeing one statement from an officer at the time who thought that if the Soviets moved for West Germany it was about 50/50 on whether his unit would obey his orders or refuse to fight possibly by shooting him and deserting.

The 80's would have been more of an even fight, though in the late 80's some think the soviets may have had the same problems that the west would have had in earlier times with units (Especially allied PACT Forces) refusing to fight or even turning on them.

For war-gaming purposes then the 80's makes a lot more sense.

>>43717521
Yes, yes we do. Two beautiful tanks.

>>43717200
Those were my thoughts.

>>43716112

Yeah, the new allied tanks seem to set the stage better for a more conventional fight. But in my opinion tactical nukes really should just set the stage for battles on the table top (creating choke points for example).

>>43717843
>>43716658
You guys do realize that >>43715748
was most likely specifically asking about the time period of Team Yankee, right?

>>43717843

From my ill informed knowledge of allied doctrine, i believe the plan was to destroy bridges and create chokepoints to concentrate the enemy for maximum effect nuking.

>>43717905

Nope, who would ask "Hey guys what century did the Spanish invade the Americas" when they actually want to know when the Pilgrims landed in at Plymouth Rock.

>>43709971
Yes, yes it is. It's a big, ugly, angry motherfucker that rolls into town to fuck up your shit. That's exactly the point.

so, we got a new thread over here...

>>43718234

assuming it's 310, right?

>>43717843
>I remember seeing one statement from an officer at the time who thought that if the Soviets moved for West Germany it was about 50/50 on whether his unit would obey his orders or refuse to fight possibly by shooting him and deserting.

My father was a Bundeswehr tanker in the mid-70s. When they had joint exercises at the time, the american tankers had a tendency to kill everyone's morale when they turned up with their STATE OF THE ART (of 1963) M60A1s and crews where you had like a 50/50 chance for each guy to be a criminal that went Army to skip prison and/or on drugs. The general impression everyone had was that the only way those guys would hold Fulda Gap would be if Ivan laughed himself to death watching them.

>>43718275
the BUNDESWEHR thought that?

so, do we get 'CV' west germans?

>>43684524
Thank you, good sir! God so many books to read right now(just got my Mutant Chronicles RPG books yesterday).

>>43718326
Mind you, this was mind-70s, just after 'Nam. The Army had basically hit rock bottom at that time. Things looked a lot better by the early-mid 80's.

Bundeswehr (and NVA for that matter) I wouldn't give blanket CV-esque stats. Something between CT and FT for most of 'em I'd say - BW was real serious about forward defense and making the Soviets bleed for every step.

Also, Panzergenadiers are going to be fun - Milans and Pzf-44s everywhere.

>>43684524
>>43718405
>Great War scan

I almost missed that.

I'll add it to the database tomorrow.

>>43718683
NVA would be RV in the '80s, most likely

>>43718742
Nah. Mid-80s they were pretty damn tough. Also a difference in mindset there - right up to the walll tumbling down, many NVA actives were still willing to go to war vs NATO if required, but would have disobeyed orders to crack down on their own civilian population.

In other news: 85 means HOT 2 in service. Holy shit, that's gonna be ridiculous, that thing had like half again the peetration of the Konkurs/Spandrel, and that thing is AT 21 already.

>>43718814
>Veteran
>Nah. Mid-80s they were pretty damn tough

I'm not sure you read that right.

Also, I think you're vastly overestimating the Enthusiasm of most of the NVA to go get killed in a war with NATO. The Wachregiments/Lufststurmregiment, maybe, but most of them... Reluctant with Cautious-not-stupid, is far more applicable.

>>43719768
Not even remotely.

Confident, at a minimum, with downright Fearless ratings for he Wachregiments and Lstr-40. The rank&file a that point where still every bit as professional and aggressive as the Soviets themselves, if not moreso especially amongst the non-reserve Motorschützen units.

>>43720764
>as professional as the Soviets themselves

So, not very.