Horus Heresy General and List Thread

Best configuration for a termi command squad out of the BaC box?

>>43614209
Make two armies and teach one of your friends. You do have friends right anon?

>>43614778
only rivals

>>43614866
Such is Croatia
(Not him but good luck leading a legion to glory, if anything they are nice models to paint)

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Word bearer list 2500

HQ-400
175: Zardu Layak
105: Legion Centurion-Chaplin, Artificer Armour, Retractor Field
120 Herald of Tzeentch, Disk of Tzeentch, Mastery lv3

ELITES-450
50: Apothecary x1, Augury Scanner x1
400 Gal Vorbak 10x (+5), Power Mace 2x, Martyr with Artificer Armour and Lightning Claws

TROOPS-1135
325: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Power Sword, Dark Channeling.
300: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Power Sword
330: Ashen Circle 10x (+5), Power Axe 2x, Iconoclast with Artificer Armour, Phosphex Bomb 1x, Dark Channeling
90: Pink Horrors 10x
90: Pink Horrors 10x

HEAVY SUPPORT-515
175: Legion Sicarian Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
340: Legion Spartan Assault Tank, Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield

Zardu joins the Gal Vorbak in a Sicarian, and hit like a ton of bricks/Deathstar. Chaplin and Apothecary join the Legion Tactical without Dark Channeling. Ashen Circle just kill specialist squads not with 2+svs. Sicarian is all around anti-light vehicle. Deamons are there for objective (secured) grabbing, and more summoning while Herald uses Divination.
Not sure if I should scrap a unit of Horrors to get another Apothecary for the other tactical, Grimoire of True Names on the Lv3 Tz Herald and Melta Bombs on Tacticals and Chaplin. I play in a competitive scene that is just getting into HH.

>>43615402
>Zardu joins the Gal Vorbak in a Sicarian

You must be new to these parts...

>>43614778
None are interested, the few that were had given up due to GW's recent attitude to customers. FW might be different, but it's absurdly expensive for most people.
I'm hoping to get my brother interested in small scale battles at least, but building two legions is a bit far-fetched, though tempting.

>>43614930
They are nice, but painting is still only a half of the cake.

>>43616459
>For the first ten years of his life Aethon saw neither sky nor stars
And by then, it was nothing to him but blinding!

>>43616428
>>43616444

Damn this writing is awful. It's the same visual format as FW, so it tricks you into believing the words are more than GW's usual babyspeak.

>>43615486
What's wrong with that?
He can join that unit if need be. Or should he just walk with a Tactical instead?
New to HH, only play Word Bearers in 40k

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Who is the best fighter in each legion before/during the Heresy? Either hand to hand, or destructive psychic power.

Basically who would be the champion of the legion if it came to a duel?

(no Primarchs or Dreadnoughts)

So far I've got:
- Abaddon
- Sigismund
- Lucius
- Ahriham
- Sevatar
- Qin Xa
- Nassir Amit/Azkaelon (first Flesh Tearer, and future Sanguinor)
- Kharn (or maybe Delvarus/ Khargos Bloodspitter)

>>43616744
>Sigismund
The only correct answer.

>>43616720
Sicarians can transport people?

>>43616548

Actually FW or at least some part of it was apparently behind BaC.

>>43616744
That Thousand Son blademaster that sliced up Lucius.

The Dark Angel that stabs Kurze in the back (ironic as fuck)

>>43617040
>thousand son
you mean raven guard

>>43616548

I stopped reading at ""Too late, Aethon!" shouted Kurtha Sedd."

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>>43616744
I'd imagine Ahriman would win pretty handily if he could force the opponent into a shootying match.

Otherwise Sigismund.

>>43616744
>Qin Xa
Who?

>>43617571

Some White Scars fighter. Because apparently Mongolian is Chinese.

>>43616844
D'oh. Meant Spartan.
But is the list fine otherwise? Should he still join them?

>>43614209
Dumbass question, what's the differentce between HH games and just general 40k?
Ie, why are there always two generals
Are there -that- many different units?

I get that the horus heresy was a longass time ago and things were different then, just wondering if it's just straight up a different game or the same game with different units.

>>43618341
completely different army lists, same basic ruleset

>>43618341

It's like comparing Battlefield and Call of Duty.

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>>43618362
>>43618393
Thanks muchly.

>>43618341

Because discussing 30k in the 40k general is pointless. Nobody who plays 40k and not 30k knows anything about 30k, and you can't just glance at 30k's stuff and automatically know how to play it well.

We shouldn't have generals at all so don't complain that there's two generals instead of one. Generals are fucking cancer. Look at how /vg/ turned out.

>>43617956
I don't see why not

>>43618408

Eh, generals aren't too bad as long as cults of personality aren't established and the focus is on the topic of the general and not the general itself.

It's also heads off people throwing shitfits because they think there are too many 40k related threads on /tg/.

>>43618490
I don't know, the 40k general is pretty damn shitty. This one's only decent because there's so few people and a lot of new players asking for advice. The 40k general is shitfits: the thread. Also, nothing ever appeases the people who complain about board content. You can have one thread out of fifty and people will scream and yell about how it's ruining everything.

Does anyone know what this supposed legion crusade host formation is about?

>>43618490
>It's also heads off people throwing shitfits because they think there are too many 40k related threads on /tg/.

Too late.

>>43618625
its fake
some nigger trying to scare everybody into thinking HH is gonna turn into age of smegmar

>>43618625

It's supposedly something GW store managers came up with so people could use their BaC models outside of the board game without having to buy FW's books.

>>43618625

It's for a local store's tournament it's not a real official set of rules.

/tg/ why are you so slowpoke? Bookmark the rumor sites.

>>43618666
I was about to claim that some of us have lives, but I can't type while laughing. Way to go, Satan.

>>43618666

In a way I really can't blame people since you have to shift through a lot of shit just to get to the posts by people who know something and then hope that midway through they don't go on to a ranting tangent about how GW is going to collapse any day now.

>>43618699
>In a way I really can't blame people since you have to shift through a lot of shit just to get to the posts by people who know something

IT WAS ON THE SAME POST ON NAFTKA, THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? CANT READ PROPERLY IS NO EXCUSE!

Fucking retarded fucks excusing their total retardation, fuck off and learn to read.

>>43618957
I bet you have lots of friends and gets heaps of sex too

>>43618957

Faeit is actually kind of slow and doesn't always get all the information. Not to mention the search function on his site sucks.

>>43614454
Dead

>>43617040
Lucius won the TS guy and ahriman saved him.

>>43616744
Sevatar in the fluff, Sigismund on the table. Abaddon on the table if it's fighter+bodyguard vs. fighter+bodyguard, probably.

Corswain maybe under some circumstances.

>>43616810
Abaddon defeated Sigismund, though, Pot HH.

>>43619247
>Sevatar in the fluff, Sigismund on the table.

Sigismund is top dog, in fluff and on the table. Theres a reason the Emperor himself ordered him to go out on the battlefield and slay the champions of chaos, because he is just that good that he can go on a battlefield, outnumbered and outgunned and kill all who came across him.

>>43617629
White Scars is just catch-all Asian, because one-third of Earth's landmass and three-fifths of its population being asian isn't worth justifying more than one Legion representing its various cultures and empires over time.

When you include their successor chapters, they cover Mongolia, China (including proto-chinese three kingdoms), Japan, and even some Tibetan/Nepalese/Indian.

>>43619272
With the help of 4 gods, a bunch of performance enhancing artifacts and waiting for Sigismund to be old and almost busted. Abaddon confirmed for shit and scared of fighting Sigismund on an even ground.

>>43618649
It's not fake, it's homebrew. Also he wasn't trying to scare anyone, the HH fanbases' own paranoia did that.

>>43619337

Well, there's no Legion covering the Americas, India, Africa or Australasia. Meanwhile three whole Legions come from the UK, because.

>>43619376
Abaddon side:

-Abaddon lamented not facing Sigismund in the battle for Terra. It was a duel he wished they fought earlier
-During the First Black Crusade Abaddon didn't acquire the blessing of the Four. It would take thousands of years and many trials before he is blessed by the all Four.
-Armaments does not make the fighter
-When Abaddon and his warband found Sigismund during the First Black Crusade, Abaddon called his guys of and stepped forth to give Sigismund a fair 1vs1 battle. Sigismund and Abaddon saluted each other before engaging in mortal combat

Sigismund side:

-Sigismund has the one who failed by not locating Abaddon during the siege
-Sigismund soul blazed with blinding golden light implying that he was not lacking in the blessing department.

>>43619504
Sigismund was the one*

>>43619337
>>43619446
Because they're not based around cultures/empires, they're based around doctrines of warfare. The cultural elements are just anvil-dropping.

You only need one Barbarian Horde doctrine (and even then, the Space Wolves make two).

>>43619337
What successors?

>>43619504
Typical imperial fist. Boohoo I failed to find abaddon waawaa. Time for pain gloves.
It must be a fetish. They pull them out on drop off a hat...

>>43619504
>Saluting a heretic

Imperial Fists confirmed heretics

>>43616744
>no Nykona Sharrowkin

He's one of the best. Made a total bitch out of Lucius

>>43616744
Any of the top ranking thousand sons would wreck them wit psychic powers

>>43617571
Jaghatai's bodyguard and also legion champion. He kills 4 of Mortarions Deathshroud bodyguard in Scars.

>>43619446
Theres at least 2 Indian custodies.

Why did FW paint siege engines in WE colours? Typhon and now Leviathan is in WE colours. What do they have to do with siege or large vehicles?

>>43620452
Leviathan got huge drills, WE love that.

>>43614454
any ideas?

>>43620452

WE aren't just hur dur chainaxes only, they were still a legion just like everyone else. Just like 40k Raven Guard aren't just all jump packs lightning claws on everyone.

>>43614454
>>43620624
That really depends on the legion, intended job and personal preference.
A solid, if uninspired loadout would be 4 cataphractii with powerfists and the cataphract standard bearer with plasma-blaster and chainfist.

>>43620817
Night Lords, I was thinking of them deep striking into the thick of things with the praetor. I'll probably use at least some lightning claws given the theme of the legion.

>>43620817
Is there a plasma-blaster in BaC?

>>43617474
Lucius got so incredibly rekt by that raven guard

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>tfw still no BaC yet

>>43619504
>-Sigismund has the one who failed by not locating Abaddon during the siege
Well geez, it's like he was too busy murdering everything in his path to deal with Abby.

>>43621116
Sigismund said that he specifically hunted Abaddon during the siege.

>>43621146
The Imperial Palace was a the size of a Continent, its not surprising in the confusion of battle, the two never stumbled upon each other

>>43621146
Maybe Abby's just hard to find. Terra is a Hive World, and Abby is a Hive Ganger. That probably had something to do with it.

>>43620166
I was super anti-Nykona when he was first introduced, because there was no indication that he wasn't just a regular Raven Guard marine who somehow is making a mockery of four different traitor legions. However, it's later explained that he's Mor Deythan and has Corax's shadow walk genetic mutation. I'm still not a huge fan of him, but I get why he's as good as he is.

>>43621146
>hunting down a single guy in a literal world siege

>>43620891
Chop of a combi-bolter, take two plasmapistols or plasmaguns (depending on what you have left over), remove the hands, smoothly file down the left side of one, the right side of the other, glue them together and put them on the hand from the combi-bolter. Done. It takes like 5 minutes and looks pretty neat.

>>43619247
>sevatar in the fluff
Nah he got rekt by Sigismund and only won by cheating, not to mention Sigismund refused to do sanguinus extremis matches

what were dark eldar doing during heresy anyways

>>43622045
Abaddon was a giant of a marine,

Nobody can miss him.

I dont know what I'm doing

120-Lord Marshal: Volkite Serpenta, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs, Artificer Armor
115-Auxilia Tactical Command Section: 5 additional Veterans, Strategos with Needle Pistol, 2 Grenade Launchers
90-Auxilia Medicae Detachment: 2 additional Medicae Orderlies
70-Auxilia Rapier Battery: Graviton Cannon
70-Auxilia Rapier Battery: Graviton Cannon
120-Auxilia Rapier Battery: 1 additional Rapier team, Quad Mortars
155-Auxilia Lasrifle Section: Troopmaster with Plasma Pistol and Meltabombs, Blast Chargers
135-Veletaris Storm Section: Prime with Melta Bombs and Charnable Sabre, Nuncio Vox
135-Veletaris Storm Section: Prime with Melta Bombs and Charnable Sabre, Nuncio Vox
85-Aegis Defence Line: Icarus Lascannon
155-Auxilia Lasrifle Section: Troopmaster with Plasma Pistol and Meltabombs, Blast Chargers
135-Veletaris Storm Section: Prime with Melta Bombs and Charnable Sabre, Nuncio Vox
135-Veletaris Storm Section: Prime with Melta Bombs and Charnable Sabre, Nuncio Vox
85-Aegis Defence Line: Icarus Lascannon
440-Auxilia Artillery Tank Battery: 2 Auxilia Medusas, Armored Ceramite, Seismic Shock Shells
220-Auxilia Artillery Tank Battery: 1 Auxilia Medusa, Armored Ceramite, Seismic Shock Shells
220-Leman Russ Executioner Armored Ceramite

2485

>>43622195
secks

>>43622195
Sitting on the sidelines and laughing their asses off. Alternatively, waiting until Salamanders were gone from Nostramo to resume slave raids (well, that didn't happen...).

>>43622252
>plasma pistols
>charnable sabres
>lord-marshal with poor gear
>no household retinue
>flamer veletaris, but no transports
>Icarus Lascannon
>exactly one battle tank
>LR executioner

>I don't know what I am doing.
Yeah, that's pretty fucking evident.

>>43622195
Raiding or partying in the Dark City.

In Angel Exterminatus, Dark Eldar gathered a planetload of soulstones to try to bribe Slannesh to leave them alone. Fulgrim stole it.

What would you say are some essential units in a flexible 30k collection? Outside of the obvious Troops and Praetor.

>>43623345
Spartans

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I just finished my first game of Betrayal at Calth with my friends.
It's actually a good game.

Do you tried it?

>>43623852
Planning to when I actually get mine in a week or two. Working at a lgs has let me look at the rules, and it does look pretty solid. I almost want them to expand on it.

>>43623345
I don't know about essential, but there are a couple things that pretty much never hurt and are very helpful. Typhons are an absolute steal for the points. Sicaran Venators are practically mandatory at high points levels due to their ability to cripple superheavies. Large squads are generally best when accompanied by apothecaries, and they're cheap-enough to just throw anywhere.

>>43623852
I will tomorrow, but as far as I checked the rules it seems pretty decent. I felt somewhat reminded of Dust: Tactics, except with hexes instead of squares.

>>43623345
Seekers are pretty much always decent, provided you don't play maximum rip'n'tear; Contemptor and Contemptor-Mortis even more so.
Sicarian and Typhon are the go-to tanks. Spartan is THE transport.

>>43620452
The Leviathan is in Death Guard colors you hoser

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>>43624309
Don't be dense.

>>43622319
Then don't be a FUCKING DICK AND HELP HIM OUT

>>43624336
go look on the FW page right now you big fat slob

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>>43624336

>>43624410
>>43624376

What's your point? I know it's also painted in DG colors. Doesn't really say anything against >>43620452 statement on what WEs have to do with siege equipment.

Like I said, stop being dense.

>>43624309
>>43624376
Go bait somewhere else.

>>43624442
>>43624466
Was just trying to inform

>>43624508
Please stop.

>>43624442
Its probably because the guy who paints the siege engines likes world eaters or something along the line of that? I mean half of FW's shit is unpainted on the website anyways so I'm just kinda glad its in colors at all

>>43624364
If he isn't a fucking moron he can take a look at the greentext and figure shit out himself. It's not that bloody difficult.
>>43624442
Its still a fact that nearly all legions kept gear for even the duties they weren't all that hot at, like DG or IH and their stance towards jump packs.
Also, a fighty dread that likes to make a mess is hardly out of the comfort zone for the fighty legion that likes to make a mess.

Footslogging infiltrating terror squads, yay or nay?

So I'm putting together a small post-isstvan world eaters force, what armour mks should I be using?

>>43625854
MKIV mostly, some MKII

>>43625360
Yay, but be sure you have other turn 1 threats or theyll be drawing a lot of fire. I use one, sometimes two 10 man terror squads with a chainglaive, heavy chainsword, and flamer in each unit.

When you and your opponent are placing terrain, keep in mind youre going to be infiltrating.

>>43616479
I thought there weren't Chaplains in the Horus Heresy?

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>>43616428
>>43616444

Taking a shot at Sallies.

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2410pts) ++

+ HQ (870pts) +

Legion Praetor (870pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts), Mantle of the Elder Drake (20pts), Mastercraft a Single Weapon (5pts), Thunderhammer (20pts)]
····Firedrake Terminator Squad (690pts) [4x Dragonscale Storm Shield (20pts), 4x Firedrakes (160pts), 4x Thunder Hammer (40pts)]
········Firedrake Master (15pts) [Dragonscale Storm Shield (5pts), Master-crafted Thunder Hammer (10pts)]
········Legion Spartan Assault Tank (340pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Flare Shield (25pts)]
····Master of the Legion [The Covenant of Fire]

+ Troops (795pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (255pts) [18x Legion Tactical Space Marines (180pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (15pts) [Artificer Weapons (5pts), Combi-Weapon (10pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (255pts) [18x Legion Tactical Space Marines (180pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (15pts) [Artificer Weapons (5pts), Combi-Weapon (10pts)]

Pyroclast Squad (285pts) [Melta Bombs (25pts), 8x Pyroclast (200pts)]

+ Elites (245pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (90pts) [Legion Apothecary (45pts), Legion Apothecary (45pts)]

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (155pts) [Two Multi-Meltas]

+ Heavy Support (500pts) +

Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (150pts)
····Legion Whirlwind (75pts) [Hyperios air-defence Missiles]
····Legion Whirlwind (75pts) [Hyperios air-defence Missiles]

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Lascannons (40pts)]

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Lascannons (40pts)]

>>43626759
Pretty sure WB had them.

>>43626877
That would make sense, I guess...

What faith would they be spreading then? Besides Chaos and all, since it says he's been at this for a while as a Loyalist.

>>43626960
WB were always the religious nutjobs.

>>43626960
They were there to fire up the soldiers as well as provide moral and psychological help for those that needed it.
Then, after the Edict of Nikaea they were supposed to keep an eye on the former librarians in case they began using their powers again

>>43626960
The shit that would become the imperial creed?

>>43627076
But the Emperor didn't want himself to be a seen like a God, I thought

>>43627123

That's why he waits 100 years before "correcting" Lorgar and the Word Bearers by forcing them to watch the Ultramarines burn down a compliant city while the Emperor tells them they all suck and are idiots.

>>43616744
>Artellus Numeon

Any update from ScanAnon? Just curious.

>>43626759
All legions can have chaplains anon..

>>43626759
Im sure Chaplains/Wardens were put in all legions after the Emperor banned librarians in order to police the psychic marines and their actions. By the time of the Heresy all legions have chaplains.

>>43627349
Did FW retcon the chaplain killing the traitors had to do? Or did they just not mention it.

Because that's why the Word Bearers were notable among the traitor legions. Their chaplains actually turned with them, where other legions couldn't persuade them to go chaos.

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>>43626759
>no chaplains
u wot m8
>banned librarians
u wot m8

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>>43627564
Huh! I learned something today

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Any comments on this list? I honestly have almost no idea what I'm doing so please go easy if its garbage

>>43627626
Kakophoni are kind of shit, putting them in rhinos makes them even more shit.
Phoenix terminators are mediocre, not bad enough to dismiss entirely but not good enough to take 2+.
Palatine blade with jump packs and phoenix spears are a pretty good suicide glasscannon, but them+eidolon is a 400pt unit waving a "shoot us first" sign.
You're very low on anti-tank considering the large amount of high-armor tanks, walkers and super-heavys there are in 30k.
Is Fulgrim going to footslog on his own? He needs a spartan, land raider or storm eagle and a retinue of ablative wounds to reliably get into and stay in combat.

3/10, "I just wanted to use all the legion-specific models" is not an excuse to get out of class

I have high hopes for Thousand Sons being good. Am I a fool?

best way to model an apothecary?

>>43628062
use the FW model

Not probably the correct thread to ask this but whatever. When ordering from Z, do I need to give him my address information myself or does it come automatically from paypal? I can't remember how paypal works in this regard.

>>43627168
While he did it, did he drink from a "World's best dad" mug?

>>43628127
You do know Z is run by human beings that can answer this question right?

>>43628062
Paint a Marine with apothecary colours and with an apothecary symbol on the shoulder plate. Maybe add some pouches and shit on him. Use an auspex and a spare chainsword to rig a device on his wrist.

Look into 3rd party:
http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Specialist-and-Energy-Weapons/Exo-Lord-Command-Sprue

Or get some Cadian laspistols, put a brass rod into the muzzle and replace the magazine with a chainsword blade, making it a handheld medical device instead of a wrist mounted one.

>>43627832
I haven't even played a game yet lol, I was just trying to make an emperor's children's list not really legion specific stuff, your recommendations are nice but you come off as arrogant a bit, any other changes you would suggest?

>>43628258
>but you come off as arrogant a bit
thats generally what happens when you get told why everything to took is wrong by someone whoa ctually know how to play the game you mong
i'm not even him but come on friendo

>>43628308
>3/10, "I just wanted to use all the legion-specific models" is not an excuse to get out of class
is a bit dickish

>>43622252
I don't think you can just take two Aegis Defence Lines, unless you can purchase two per Fort slot. Otherwise this looks fun, if a bit pointless with the lone tank.

>>43624336
God I hate the new Games Workshop-style marketing. You fucks have to ruin everything.

>>43626848
Unreadable gibberish.

So I jumped on the bandwagon with the BaC, paints and tools today.
One thing I'm curious about is how many paints does one need on average, if painting just one legion? During ordering, I got carried away with all the different paints and I almost ended up spending a Reaver titan's worth on the three aforementioned things, had to cut down a lot of things before the purchase.

>>43619223
sauce?

>>43628636
if you're fairly new to painting you won't need too much, depends on the chapter really
you could get away with about 5 paints - armour, weapon, details such as eyes, and black. i would say the most important paint to buy is a shade - makes stuff look good real quick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9HzqHVg1uE is a pretty good video, though more at an intermediate level

should be plenty of guides online for all chapters

>>43628381
What the fuck are you even doing here when you can't take that? There are plenty of hugboxes around, so no need to moan about the mean men here.
And, really, anon's list was pretty shit.

>>43628940
I seriously said that I had no idea what I was doing specifically so people don't say shit like "your list sucks

>>43628928
I'm sort of new, used to paint a little a few years ago, Sons of Horus with all the gang and lodge markings is what I plan to do, probably during the conquest of Dwell. I bought all the colours FW's painting guide suggested and some more, I also got all the technical paints because I'd like to try them out.
Basically, I can't be satisfied with less than ten paints over my plastic dudes.

I'll check the video later, though I like to try things out on my own, thanks.

>>43626759
They were instated after the Council of Ikea

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>>43629437
>Council of Ikea

>>43629405
>I had no idea what I was doing
That's pretty obvious, considering your list is astoundingly awful. But here's an idea: If you *know* that you are clueless when it comes to listbuilding, how about, y'know, actually trying to figure shit out yourself instead of asking for comments on a crap list and then whining after someone hurt your feelings with one such comment.
I mean, it's not rocket science.
- Do I have enough models for the game size?
- Do I have a way to get all that melee across the board?
- Am I playing to my Legion's strengths?
- Do I have enough anti-tank?
- Do I have enough anti-air?
- Do I have a sensible unit composition?
- Do I have any sort of general idea what to do with that army?
You might give that a shot in the future.

>>43627626
A few changes I would make: consolidate the kakophani squads into a unit of 10, and run them as counts as heavy suppport with volkite culverins. Plenty of people do it so I don't think you would have a problem there.
Next change is.. drop the serg on the jetbike squad. They have a dedicated role which is meltabomb vehicles and using their guns to mop some light infantry.
Drop the jav... it will be designated first blood. If you wanted to run them with the EC rite, then you'd want about 2-3 with hunter killer missiles and not lascannons (pretty expensive just for a twin linked lascannon).
Where is fulgrim going? What warlord trait are you taking? His bonuses combined with the legion bonuses favour winning assaults and then sweeping (which your main cc units the terminators cannot do).
The palatine blades could do with being bumped to 10, equipping about 3 with spears and 4 with swords, leaving the others as chaff. Alternatively what I would do is drop the jump packs on both them and Eidolon, bump their number up to 9, add the weapons, and get them a dreadclaw. It's 100 points on the original investment of 50+whatever Eidolon's one costs, and it will get you a turn 2 charge. Look up dreadclaw tactics on some of the forums, they are pretty good for a unit like this.

>>43622071
Winning by cheating is still winning.

"Best fighter" was the question, not duelist, not most skilled, not strongest or toughest.

>>43629977
What about a Kharybdis drop pod? I know someone who has one so maybe I could borrow it

>>43630108
Perhaps, then you're looking at Fulgrim (extra bulky), Eidolon, 10 palatines, throw in an apothecary to bring it to 15 occupants. Pretty freaking expensive though. The problem with deathstars like that is it constitutes the bulk of your army. It can be pretty dull to play much like Vulkan + firedakes + spartan (which coincidentally you will lose against). If you can proxy the kharybdis as a dreadclaw to see if you like its playstyle, maybe give it a go..

With EC, you really need to have a plan and intention with the army as it is pretty glasscannon as another anon mentioned. It's all about intricate strikes being pulled off and it can go wrong easily but when it goes right.. it's impressive. Fulgrim is a good example as he lets you choose your own warlord trait.
Personally I'd run tacticals as troops with rhinos to help with the objectives and free up points.There is a lot I'd do desu but trying to figure out the best use of the things you listed... it really does come down to knowing what you want each unit to do

>>43630371
I'm liking that deathstar build, would it be possible to tell me a few more viable lists? really loving your input.

>>43616744
I'd go Hibou Khan over Qin Xa.

In Little Horus, Hibou kills like 14 Sons of Horus singlehandedly, including Terminators, and he's only wearing Scout Armour.

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>>43616744
>Ahriham

>>43619337
The Raven Guard have southern Asian influences.

Face it, Games Workshop just really likes Greek and Middle Eastern stuff. Those cultures are iconic of classical antiquity and they sell well. China should be happy it has a special character because India and South America get fuck-all.

>>43630722
I thought raven guard had some native american thing goin for them

>>43630766
Perhaps, but not as much as Dark Angels.

>>43630786

They seemed to to have really scaled back any Native American influence the DA had, it all seems to be knights and angels now.

>>43630928
A shame if so, but they still have the feather talismans. I like that somes Legions have off-culture elements in them. Like how Fenris has seafaring people with dark skin nearer the equator, and some of their young warriors end up recruited to the Space Wolves.

>>43628636
Metal for bolter, exhausts etc.
Black for bolter, details
Grey for black highlight
Black wash for all of the above
Power armour basecoat
Power armour highlight colour
Power armour detail basecoat (sometimes not needed based on legion)
Power armour detail highlight colour (sometimes not needed based on legion)
Power armour wash (if not black wash)
Lens basecoat
Lens highlight
Gloss varnish for lenses
Matte varnish for cleaning up gloss varnish

Those are the bare minimum for getting good-looking marines IMO, although varnishes can be skipped. Bases can be painted with black basecoat and grey drybrush, but might need different colours for contrast, depending on legion. Brown basecoat and highlight needed for pouches and scabbards, just about any colour needed for cloaks and loincloths, etc. etc.

>>43629405
You got a bunch of constructive criticism but you're gonna get stuck up on an innocent, half-sarcastic remark? Grow some skin.

>>43630952

Seafaring in general is supposed to be a big part of Fenris' culture, at least that is what one of the artists behind the SW flyers said.

>>43631195
Yep, that does tie them together. I suppose it does raise the question, what do germanic monk-knights and native american braves have in common?

>>43628258
>your recommendations are nice but you come off as arrogant a bit
I'm just going to take a moment to contemplate a world where supplying an opinion and rating when asked is a sign of egotism, but the quoted sentence is not patronising or dismissive.

>>43631073

Fuck that guy anyway, can't even type out his fucking list. Anyone who posts an image, PDF, or copy pasta from an army building program of their list deserves to be shot.

>>43631480
I prefer beaten with a sack full of their own models. It hurts more and is more poetic.

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>>43631218

I think the Native American thing was to supposed to only apply to the Deathwing, but I'm not sure.

>>43631557
They do have the most feathers, come to think of it.

>>43616744
Add Garro and Loken to this list as well

Ignatius Grulgor post-resurrection now commands the flesh eater virus thanks to a gift from Nurgle, dunno if he counts as a "normal" fighter anymore but it makes him by far the strongest who isn't a Primarch

>>43631853

To be honest it doesn't even look all that great.

>>43631909

It's pretty good in a pod. It has 7 S10 attacks on the charge and 5 of those attacks can generate more attacks. It can deal 27 wounds to organic targets, and is HP4 AV13 4++ with Ceramite, that's better than Land Raiders and Sicarans.

The only issue is it's a walker, immobilization, and it's not criminally underpriced like the Riptide and Wraithknight.

Any suggestions on painting Thousand Sons in a bright, warm red? What colors would I look at?

>>43632914

Army Painter Pure Red primer and red glaze from GW. Be careful when you wash the model with red or black wash or you will have to re-touch up with Army Painter pure red in bottle form to restore brightness.

>>43627564
At first they had librarians. But they were banned later. Chaplains were there to keep up morale and preach imperial truth. Which was that there's no gods, no religion. Imperial creed sprouted amongst the weak mortal men. They tried to stomp it, but failed.
It's in the first three books of the BL HH series. The only ones anyone ever recommends.

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>>43626759
They were like Psychologists.

But for marines.

So naturally they look like death himself.

>>43634620
I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be an emperor's champion with a skull helm, not a chaplain. That's a black sword. Then again, it's always hard to tell with Templars.

>>43620166
Winner

>>43614454
>>43620624
Combi-plasmas, plasma blaster

>>43632065
You do realize that Severing Cut only works on a per-model basis, right? It can maybe take on solo, non-S10 Primarchs on foot (assuming it can catch him) and the occasional Greater Daemon, but both situation will barely ever happen and never merit paying ~300pts for it, so there is literally no point to this ability.
>>43631909
>>43631853
It cost almost as much as a Knight, but has none of the advantages. I could maybe, MAYBE see it as a gun platform with a built-in terrain dispenser for those legions that can make use of MtC, but on the whole the price is too high, the mobility is too low and the weapon ranges are too short. And if you stuff it in a Kharybdis your ~500pts investment will not be doing shit for at least 2 turns, which it really can't afford.

>>43636246

Then stuff it in a dread pod instead of a kharybdis instead of finding fake faults to add to the model.

>>43635384
>out of the BaC box

Mor Deythan with combi-volkite? Retarded or genius?

>>43636525
Not as good as flamers. Nothing is as good as flamers.

~

Combi-weapons as a 5-pt attachment to any non-Pistol weapon. Fun or Genius?

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>>43622252
Im gonna try be more helpful. Than that other prick.

Plasma Pistols are a fantastic way of weakening your own Lord marshal... also why that AND Volk serpenta.
As a general rle; Grav-Wave Marshal, Master-craft Plasma pistol, Iron-Halo. After that its entirely a matter of opinion.

Command Section is useful mostly for for its Cognis-signum; so plan around using that first and foremost. GL is the special weapon available as it doesnt put the squad in danger to use it.

Graviton cannons in general are a bit "eh" - dangerous terrain and haywire is nice but generally it wont be wounding anyone. Graviton Guns tend to work better. For killing infantry you're better off with Q-ML, Laser-destroyer array for vehicle smashing and Quad-Mortars for a very helpful mix of the two (Shatter shells are fantastic).

Your Veletaris & Rifle section mix is a bit of a mess. Needs more Lasrifles really. Blast-chargers aren't an auto-buy, you should probably have at least one squad with it no doubt, but its only really useful vs AdMech and T3 with FNP (which also appears in AdMech), against marines you're better off to just keep dumping rounds into the enemy.

Veletari don't need Nuncio-vox's as Rifle sections already have them. Charnable sabres are 5 pts of "sometimes useful" which you can avoid most of the time. Power-axe Household retinue with shroud bombs with a Grav-wave Marshall are fantastic melee units against anyone who isn't equipped with power swords/mauls.

Fit a Dracosan or two somewhere. Flamer-Dracosan would be a funky (if point, and money expensive) idea.

Non-LR vehicles will often just get flanked and have a bad day vs Melta weapons anyway, so feel free to drop it and save 20 pts a piece, that's not to say its useless just not as good as it is on an LR or Dracosan.

Lone LR is something of a head scratch. Remember HH is a land where MSU is punished by taxation - if you're not SA or IMP-MIL. Don't expect to see MSU termies all that much.[continued]

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>>43622252
>>43636591
An MSU-termies would get a paddlin' from Laser-Destroyer arrays anyway and if they've not taken Power-swords/Mauls, Retinue-Veletari, and the Demoliser Dracosan they came out from.

So the executioner is a good idea, as it would let you snuff out units of Termies and MC's if needed, something other things in the book can't do quite as fast. Medusa repeat-units aren't quite as important you make them out to be, as a result - and besides its the -bombard- that gets the Shock-shells, not the Medusa. At S6 the bombards Sunder rarely is all that useful, and its unlikely a unit of Thallax are sitting on an objective for concussive to be all that useful - take it solely for its ignore cover and AP3, and it will make things alot easier on your objective-grabbing troops. Have a look at the Fast-attack Lemmies too though.

Don't disown the default basilisk either, Legions are made up of lots of 3+ save models, and only the Thanatar has a 2+ in admech. Thus its very useful. Its a shame its never seen in 40k, but that is because the Manticore exists in IG.

Consider ANY of the Malcadors. Yes even the Valdor, with a Tank-commander, Tank/Monster-hunter and if you're really adverse to melee - Shattering-Bombardment Marshall can be exceptionally good for rustling the feathers of anyone who uses blast-weapon heavies.

Experiment with some proxy stuff - even consider drop-capsule tarantulas to fuck with peoples heads on all your nuncio-vox rifle sections.

So i have 2 betrayal at calth boxes on the way and I've decided to go alpha legion. Additonally I have both a spartan assault tank and an assault ram unpainted. Given what i Have now, what would be some good things to get to expand upon this force once what i have now is ready to be fielded? I know rhinos should be next at least.

>>43631557
The native american thing came later from one of the Dark Angels later recruiting worlds

>>43637541
I'll assume you'll want to run your AL under Coils of the Hydra?
If that's the case, consider a Dreadclaw or even a Kharybdis to get one of your mandatory Troop squads into position right from the word go. If you have two drop pods, consider a Deathstorm with Dropod Assault to make sure both transports drop t1.
A couple of weapon kits probably wouldn't hurt, either. Especially Umbra-Ferox boltguns are a neat way to make your tacticals into visually distinct Seeker or Headhunter squads.
Speaking of which, both Headhunters and Lerneans are very mediocre. They are basically a slightly buffed, if more generalist version of Seekers and Legion Terminators, except with less options to be built for a specific purpose. Unless you have a very clear goal for either, it's generally more sensible to stick with the generic versions.
You'll pretty much always want a Sicarian or two, since they can handle most tasks, and a Sicarian Venator to stunlock enemy LoWs.
Deredeos are the perfect support walkers. Autocannons and missiles to fuck up flyers and light to medium vehicles; plasma and pavise for deasthstar support.
Rapiers are neat, especially with thudd guns, since they can fuck further with your opponent's plans.

As for the Rewards of Treason, Gal Vorbak are a personal favorite, since they come with built-in DS and pack a hell of a punch, even though you lack some of the tools of WB to make them really shine.

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Hydra Dominatus.

Reinforcements inbound.

How do you guys feel about rhinos? At 3000 points of Ultramarines I was thinking about running one blob of Tacs, 2 Rhinos with Tacs, and a Spartan with termies and Girllyman. Plus some general fire support.

>>43638423
them helmets hnggg
wish my GW/lgs stocked forgeworld shit

>>43638423
Man the normal plastic looks really shiny. You can see how much less detail is on the miniature when the pieces are mixed. Not that it matters for the rank and file but damn, resin's good.

>>43637541
I'd honestly consider running pride of the legion as your rite for now. Termies and veterans as your troops will do some work, without needing to have big blobs of infantry.

I'm grabbing some Black Templars... besides reading the old codex, where do I learn more?

>>43638437
Love living in Nottingham. A FW store, it's bliss. And the AL helmets/torsos are brilliant (and relatively generic, very good for Minotaurs).

>>43638461
So true, but they're so much cheaper in plastic.

>>43631259
I was looking more for constructive criticism, which he did, but then he took the time to insult my list making skills as if I presented myself as having such, his recommendations were good but the dickish joke just kinda ruined for me I don't know, seems a bit childish to point out things that people already know, I understand this is the cool kids 4chan club but I've talked about this one post for far too long so lets end it and move on

Opinions on dakka Preds? 2 Preds with 3 heavy bolters a piece costs 220pts and throws out 8 str 7 and 18 str 5 shots a turn, while a tribolter Sicarian costs 155 pts. Is the rending TL cannon worth it for how many fewer shots it throws out per turn?

>>43638429
>termis with Girlyman
Never fucking ever.
You have Invictarius Suzerains complementing Rowboat perfectly, and he even makes them troops. You'd be gimping yourself a lot by taking termis.
As for Rhinos, I find them decent enough for no-frills tacs and tac-sups, with the occasional application for drive-by veterans, but otherwise they are too flimsy in 30k unless fielded in large numbers.

>>43638999
The Herakles AAC is a really damn good gun.
In the end, Heavy 6 Twin-linked, Rending, Rapid Tracking is superior to 2x Heavy 4, even when accounting for the difference in shot-volume from the HBs, but nobody ever brings a Sicarian with HBs. It's either bare-bones or with lascannons.

>>43638971
Dude, that's not even mean, that's at worst a little bit of teasing for writing a fucking awful list with nary a thought put into it. The guy was downright nice about it, too, I'd certainly have lambasted you more for it, had I even bothered to comment on a list as unsalvageable and shit as that.
If your precious feelings got hurt over that, how in hell have you managed to survive on the net, let alone here, for any length of time?

>>43627626
Ignoring everyone else.
Taking Legion units for the sake of legion units isn't particularly brilliant for any legion. Phoenix guard are good, but only one unit of is needed... and also they're bulky so they dont fit 10 in a phobos (you need a spartan).
Same story for special characters.

You have nothing in the way of good-shootiness. At all. Fix that first definitely.

>>43630371
Can the Apothecary go there? I thought they have restrictions on where they can be placed.

>>43638971
Real zero punctuation here

>>43636525
I run a 10 man support squad with volkite calivers in a rhino. Huge infantry threat.

>>43631853

Its a 300 point walker. Its rarely going to earn its points back, so its basically a 300 point distraction.

>>43616744

Kharn and Sevatar #1 and 2.

>>43638461
See I can't thin my paints so less detail is good
But I understand wanting more detail.

>>43639762
No, Palantine blades cannot take an Apothecary.

>>43616744
>Abaddon
>Best at failing through 1 0 0 0 0 fucking years.

>>43640270
It's easy to make fun of Abaddon, but you have to give him credit for sticking to it. Most people would've quit after the third or fourth black crusade. Man's the galactic champion of the never-say-die attitude.

>>43640354
After hitting your head against the glorious Imperial Guard at Cadia for the 13th time, maybe its time to fire your commanders and think about opening another warp-anus in other place.

>>43640406
I never said that he was a clever man, only that he was stubborn. Also, it's not like he has many options for advisers and generals. Your choices are pretty much raving maniacs, chaos spawn, daemons, and supreme assholes like Erebus. You work with what you've got, and when all you have is warp-addled madmen, you're not exactly playing with a full deck.

>>43640354
>>43640406
>>43640432
Are you guys for real or are you joking around? None of the 12 Black Crusades were about taking Cadia.

The only Black Crusade about taking Cadia was the 13th one. During that war Abaddon wrecked Cadia and overran its surface before marching on towards the heartland of the Imperium.

>>43640496
I'm bored as hell and love playing devil's advocate for Abaddon. That's about it.

>>43640496
For some reason, the 40k community has a ton of people who don't actually know anything about the lore, they just like to spout off about what they think it's about.

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>>43640496
Note the Heretic Sympathizer

Then burn him

>>43616744
Cypher. We all know it's Zaharial and he possess bullet-time-phase-through-shit powers.

>>43640581
That's because when a huge number of people are first introduced to 40k, they have lots of questions. Unfortunately, instead of reading all of the extensive and contradictory lore, they ask the other guy who never read the lore instead and his response is, "40k is only ever a parody! Armless Abaddon always fails! LOL!" And people take this seriously because they don't know any better.

>>43640646
I blame Alfabusa

>>43640646
>>43640706

To be honest, 1d4chan's role as an introduction to the setting plays a large part as well. It's such a tired repository of forced memes, but as outsiders it's hard for newcomers to see that.

>>43638971
Sorry pal but we're not in the business of rubbing aloe vera onto stranger's sore butts. The called your list shit because it was shit. The fact that it was shit because you were clueless, or the fact that you acknowledged this prior to the feedback, don't enter into it. You should have nothing but thanks for the feedback.

>>43639341
Just stop.

>>43640966
Except you guys are, I got great criticism from a different guy who was 100% mature about it and actually gave me good recommendations besides "DUR DIS LIST SHIT ALL UNITS A SHIT NOT SALVAGEABLE" but then one decent dude is all it takes to shut down your idiotic notions that for some reason this board is some edge fest full of people who constantly have to insult each other just to fit in the group. I can handle insults much worse than "you are shit"

>>43640602
Holy shit that is such a cringe worthy death I can't believe people actually did this shit what the fuck

>>43641031
>I can handle insults much worse than "you are shit"
Found the lie

>>43641487
Found the troll

How do I paint the Terminator Praetor from Betrayal at Calth boys?

-Pale Nomad
-Salamander
-Iron Warrior
-War Hound
-Scouring-Era Flesh Tearer

Asking in here and the /40k/ thread because I'm not really sure where to put it.

Bought BaC and the termiantors look beautiful, my only issue is that I'd love to run them as assault terminators w/ storm sheilds and thunder hammers but I'm not really sure what are good conversion parts of them, any suggestions? Thanks.

>>43641960
Pale nomad?

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>>43642083
>a thunderhammer that looks like a regular claw hammer
MFW. Somebody make this happen...

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>>43642083
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Thunder-Hammers

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>>43618490
>heads off people throwing shitfits
>enabling the willfully retarded
>2015

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>>43642134

Early-Crusade Raven Guard, as they were before Corax took over.

> Grey
> Tribal
> Night Lord levels of brutality
> Strongly hinted as the ancestors of Carcharadons

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>>43630054
>Winning by cheating is still winning

[WAACfag detected]

Nah, it's just cheating.

It's only a 'win' in a deathmatch. Did he died?

>>43642860
I hope the new book, concerning itself with the Shadow Wars and the Shattered Legions, contains new units for the legions already detailes, especially the Raptors.

>>43643291

That'd be neat. Even better if they include good-Raptors alongside the mutie-Raptors.

> Good-Raptors are essentially Tacticals with I5, Preferred Enemy and embedded specialists like 40k Tacticals / Veterans.
> Mutie-Raptors are I5, move like Beasts and have Rending melee attacks. They are BS2, limited to Bolt Pistols, and lose some Sv due to ill-fitted Power Armour.

There's also the Whisper-Cutter, which as far as I can tell is essentially a Dark Eldar Raider with stealth systems that drops Marines from high altitude.
Or a new Rite of War set after Isstvan, where good-Raptors are Troops and everybody Hates traitors, while severely limiting your armour options.

>>43639088
I was going to do 10 with 8 pairs of claws and 2 heavy flamers in a Spartan with Roboute and a Chaplain. Mostly because I plan on buying two boxes of BaC. I already know about shield bros.

>>43643396
I forgot about the good ones, but yes, would be nice.

Yeah, Whispercutter too.
They are getting a new Rite, very likely post-Isstvan, along with most of the legions.

Probably the umpteenth person posting about entering Horus Heresy, but whatevs. Doing Word Bearers to start, though not my favorite legion (that's Salamanders) it seemed like a good place to start given that I already own a massive Daemons force, which I can run as allies. Will probably start Salamanders later. Anyways,
2500 Points
>>Word Bearers Age of Darkness Detachment
>HQ
(275) Zadu Layak, the Crimson Apostle: Anakatis Blade Slaves-Warlord
-Rite of War: Dark Brethren
(145) Centurion: Diabolist, Artificer Armor, Tainted Weapon, Lightning Claw, Jump Pack
>Troops
(275) Ashen Circle: 10 incendiaries
(275) Ashen Circle: 10 incendiaries
>Fast Attack
(100) Legion Dreadclaw Drop Pod
>Lord of War
(450) Lorgar Transfigured

>>Chaos Daemons Age of Darkness Detachment
>HQ
(300) Kairos Fateweaver
(350) Be'lakor
>Troops
(99) 11 Pink Horrors
(45) 3 Nurgling Swarms
>Heavy Support
(180) Soul Grinder of Nurgle, Phlegm Bombardment

>>43643794
Looks like fun, so long as you don't turn it into the invisible circus. That's fun for no one. Also, no mhara gal? I love those things.

>>43642860

They're not quite as brutal as the Night Lords. They're just basically Moritat level. Night Lords are excessively violent. These guys at least have an off switch and the violence is a byproduct and a means to and end, not the end itself.

>>43626848
What's the aim/point?

>>43643794
Not a legal list, Zardu Layak does not count as a Chaplain (despite having the abilities and the fluff of one), but as a Diabolist. Yeah, it's dumb, but them's the breaks. Make the Diabolist a Chaplain, drop the Tainted Weapon (uselss unless you have Smash or Rending) and you're done when it comes to HQs. Though I feel the need to mention that blade-slaves, while tremendously cool, are pretty awful on the field, since they really limit Layak's enormous toolbox utility to a three-guy unit instead of improving a unit of Gal Vorbak.
That said, your troop selection is, frankly, crap. Ashen Circle are neat-ish, but they lack the numbers and resilience to stand up to any sort of determined aggression. Instead consider a tactical blob with additional weapons and Dark Channeling. You'd still have worryingly few boots on the ground, but it'd be a little better.
And Lorgar will do what? Running touchdowns on his own won't happen, not nowadays, so he needs a retinue, which you lack. Can't join Ashen Circle without bogging them down (which they really cannot afford), can't join anything else because Daemon.
Also, it really can't be said enough, but your army is really fucking tiny for 2.5k. Yeah, Be'lakor+Kairos shenanigans are powerful, but any sensible opponent will still pose a huge problem. One or two Contemptor-Mortis or Deredeos will put so much pressure on your FMCs that they'll be spending most of their efforts to remain alive, while a single shot from a Typhon has a decent chance of just eliminating half your army.

>>43640496
the first step to leave the Eye shithole is take Cadia. So yeah, you can call a dark crusade and raid some random shit but in the end if you dont take Cadia you can't leave Africa and raid the Imperium.

Can someone explain to me how Word Bearers are meant to be painted? Pre-Heresy some of their units are a brighter shade of red than usual, some of them are this silverish grey.

>>43644610
Grey before Logar was simply a choirboy, red for when he became an angsty choirboy. He did not in fact become faster when he went heresy.

>>43643402
Anything you could possibly want to charge with your Primarch would be utterly unimpressed by eight Lighting Claw pairs and maybe two Powerfists.
Yes, they look utterly bitchin', I get that, I love them too, but there are other places where they work so much better. One or two squads of five with four clawnators and a chainfist/heavy flamer (or even a kitbashed plasmablaster) guy can comfortably threaten most MEQs in the game and still take down a vehicle in a pinch. And they can ride in a normal LR, too.
But on a fighty Primarch's retinue you'll want AP2, at initiative if at all possible. It also pays to be able to sweep advance, which is pretty darn important in 30k, but termis can't do.

How do you guys deal with Grave Wardens? They've got Death Guard immunities, Cataphractii armour, buffed with psychic powers and they've got that bullshit Toughness Test field/rad grenades combo that melts any unit that's charging them. I guess I could drown them in bolter shots but that requires focusing my whole army onto them at once. Any ideas? I play Ultras if it helps.

>>43620166
Shadowshit can fuck right off, he's shit and needs to die like a punk

>>43645005
A Typhon will usually bomb them off the table in a hurry.

Looking at the alpha legion RoW special rules.

With the Rewards of Treason, should you model the unit you're using as alpha legion or from it's parent legion?

Power axes on termies?

>>43645419
Alpha Legion.

>>43645490

Either that or swords, depending on what you're swinging at.

No point using mauls since there are no xenos in 30k, but it's still decent for smacking tanks.

so what do you prefer for your primarch needs?

official forgeworld? kabuki? some other lesser known maker?

>>43644573
As someone who also plays Word Bearers, this guy hits the nail on the head.
I love Zardu, but his slaves are not worthwhile.
Diabolist is crap, and Tainted Weapons are a waste 99% of the time. Additionally, since he can't join Ashen Circle no reason for the jump pack.
Lorgar has been explained by other poster already.
I don't really care for the Soul Grinder, any reason you are taking it as opposed to a Sicarian or another Template tossing unit?
Ashen Circle while cool, need a few Power Axes and Phosphex Bomb.

>>43615402
Regarding the list
Zardu should be in the tactical, so he can FNP off an Apothecary, and he adds a little extra hitting power as well.
10 Gal Vorbak will take down anything short of a Primarch. Why the Ligthing Claw instead of a Power Fist though? S10 is crazy good here
Any way to get more Phosphex Bombs on the Ashen Circle? They are really good.
Your alternate changes of scrapping the Horrors and altering otherwise is a good plan.

>>43614209

Ustashe fascist, remove heretic

Emperor was a Serb

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>>43614209
Hey, I have a question /tg/

So I'm doing a RG army, and have 3 crewmen for an artillery unit.

They have mark 3 armor.

Which shoulder pad should they swap to the RG one?

Also, the rest of my army is in mark 6 armor, and will be swapping shoulderpads (to mark 3 ravenguard pads)

Should the studded shoulder go on the left or the right, and where should the RG one go?

On a squad of mark 4's from the BaC box, where should the RG pad go?

>>43646157

Mk III RG either have their symbol on their left shoulder, or on both shoulders.

But 30k is not as strict as 40k, a lot of the legionnaires did random shit with symbol placement.

>Should the studded shoulder go on the left or the right, and where should the RG one go?

The studded one should always go to the left, but it CAN be put on the right. 99% of the official pictures put it on the left, and only one image has shown it on the right (6E C:SM). Reason is marines are ambidextrous, but choose to shoot right-handed, meaning the studded pad with extra armor goes on the shoulder closest to the enemy. This forces you to swap the RG symbol to the right.

>On a squad of mark 4's from the BaC box, where should the RG pad go?

Both shoulders, or just the left.

>>43646230

Forgot to mention if you're swapping out Mk III RG shoulders on non-Mk III armor, since the Mk III shoulder tends to look bigger, it looks better on the right shoulder. This is how a lot of chapters from FW's Imperial Armour do it when they wear one Mk III shoulder and one small shoulder.

This forces you to put the symbol on the "wrong" shoulder but you can fix it by adding a decal to the other shoulder, or just not giving a crap.

Which is the better game to run Night Lords in, HH or 40k?

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>>43646266

>>43619446
name the 3 UK legions plz because im pretty sure there are 0 UK legions its just that most of them are Caucasian like the Imperial Fists and their crusading warriors stuff is pretty German but they are all mostly just different flavours of Caucasian with tiny differences

>>43619446
>no Legion covering... Africa
>what are Salamanders

>>43646266
>>43646316
>>43646230

So for a mark 3 guy with a MK3 RG pad, it goes on the Left?

And a mark 4 with a MK3 RG pad it goes on the left?

And a mark 6 with a MK3 RG pad it goes on the Right?

Thanks, this is getting confusing.

>>43646266
Night lords. They are distinctly NL in HH, in 40k they are generic Black Legion chaos.

>>43646589
meant to link
>>43646293
For the comment on NL.

>Night lords go with HH. They are distinctly NL in HH, in 40k they are generic Black Legion chaos.

>>43646589

The issue here is when you put Mk III shoulders on a non-Mk III marine and his other shoulder is smaller than the Mk III, the Mk III shoulder looks better on the model's right shoulder. The problem here is that the RG symbol is on that Mk III shoulder and the RG symbol should USUALLY go on the left shoulder.

If I were you, I would take one of the blank Mk III shoulders you have leftover, and use that on the non-Mk III.

>>43646627
But fluff wise, this
>>43646589
is accurate?

And wouldn't the MK 3 pad be on the shoulder facing the enemy if there is only 1 mk3 pad, as the mark 3 pad is bigger?

Because what I bought was

6 mark 3 crewmen
10 mark 4 BaC marines (to be seekers in a pod)
40 mark 6 marines (to be tacticals)
60 mark 3 RG pads (as they are the most ornate)

How the fuck do you guys decide what legion to play?

It seems like such a commitment, especially as I'll want to use them in regular 40k as well.

I know I want to play an infantry based legion so it's between Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Death Guard, Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion.

I like all of them, but I'm finding with the ones I like the best generally, I don't really give a shit about their primarch.

Leaning more towards Death Guard atm, but I like Ultras too.

>>43646717
Alpha legion You are Alpharius we are all Alpharius Hydra Dominatus! What do you mean Alpharius ? that's just a tactical marine we are all tactical marines Alpha Legion best Legion. Alright my own bias aside honestly roll a die and if you get the impulse to reroll it then you know which one you really want.

>>43646717

Most people already have their eyes set on a legion due to 40k. Either because they play that army in 40k or "I'd like to play X marines but I don't want to start another 40k army. Oh, look, 30k is a thing now guess I'll make them there!".

>>43646717
Go with the legion you think is coolest. Disregard primarchs.

>>43646760
Well Imperial Fists lore strikes me the most and I've always fancied them in 40k but I don't really want a bright yellow army.

>>43646751
Their rules are pretty fucking cool. Stealing units sounds awesome and could lead to some hilarious shit.

Their unique units leave a bit to be desired though.

I don't like their aesthetic too much either, but I think it's mostly because it's usually painted in such a shiny way.

Have you got any pics of a more matte painted alpha legion army?

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>>43646902

Then paint them 30k style.

>>43646902
>Imperial Fists lore strikes me the most
You a sadomasochist or something?

Picked up BaC earlier and both the HH booklet I got with it and the back of the rulebook heavily advertise FW.

>>43646454

Not African

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>>43646902
Hey i do not know if you have had a look at Forgeworld in the last couple of days but take a look at the Alpha Legion task force if you have not i personally find the way they where painted there to be the most attractive style i have seen to date for the Alpha Legion and it goes away from the shiny style that many people favor completely. Pic Related

>>43646717
>>43646717
I chose RG because I wanted something that was the most different from my first and second armies (Orks and Taghmata) and something that was Battle Brothers with the Taghmata.

I chose RG from those because I wanted to go fast and be tacticool.

>>43646962
Have you got any pictures of them actually painted like that? I've tried to search and can't find any.

>>43647000
>You a sadomasochist or something?
Yes, and my sex dungeon is the most heavily fortified structure in 100km.

>>43646902
Well consider this the Alpha Legion can steal a special unit from any legion if you use the Legion Specific Right Of War and though their special units are not amazing they are good not shit like some other legions and not horrendously overpriced like some i will not name and realistically you will not be fielding much of any legions specific legion so if you like their looks and vibe then go for it

>>43647084
Cheers that's a lot more my style.

When I looked them up online I was a bit put off by the shiny turquoise paint scheme and people painting massive A's on their rhino's making them look like their the wagon of a superhero.

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>>43647106
>and my sex dungeon is the most heavily fortified structure in 100km.
We'll see about that.

>>43647150
Yea i agree with you completely and i will be painting my Alpha Legion in the style i posted previously it looks a lot better in my opinion but like i said i am a bit biased cause i am Alpharius or was it just a tactical marine ;)

>>43647106

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99550101406_ImperialFistLegionTemplarBrethrenUpgradeSet06.jpg

Seems to be a veteran/proto-Black Templars related scheme, just like how Horus's favorites were black instead of Sons of Horus green.

>>43646437

The origins of the Dusk Raiders can be found during the Unification Wars. The base human stock for the majority of the first Space Marine Legions to be raised came from Terra, and in the case of the XIVth Legion the main bulk of the gene-recruits used were drawn from the ancient and warlike clans of Old Albia, situated in the area of northwestern Europe, and in ancient times was known as Albion (Great Britain). Indeed such was the suitability of this stock for induction into the ranks of the Space Marines that recruits drawn from their Castram-cities were also to be found in the ranks of the First Founding VIIIth and Xth Legions, the Night Lords and the Iron Hands, respectively, although to a lesser degree than the XIVth Legion who were by blood and culture shaped by the traditions of the warlords of Albia as well as the hand of the Emperor.

Betrayal, p121

>>43647164

Says the legion whose primarch literally killed 10,000 of them the moment he met them because they weren't good enough.

>>43647255
And what does that have to do with siege assault capabilities?

Why aren't Gal' Vorbak relentless?

They have boltguns and can take special weapons but can't actually charge if they use them.

Are the boltguns just ornamental?

>>43647219
Yeah the templar brethren became the black templars after the heresy.

>>43647416
They're not a shooty unit.

>>43647659
Neither are Death Company, but they get relentless so they can shoot their boltguns and then assault.

Just seems odd that they have boltguns that they can't use.

>>43647240
I stand corrected though i think we all know why the UK got so much representation seeing as Games Workshop is a UK based company

>>43646717
I chose Emperor's Children because fast, elegant perfectionists with a purple+gold color scheme doesn't exist in 40k.

>>43644573
>>43645988
Okay, took everything you guys said and put a new list together:
>>Word Bearers Age of Darkness Detachment
>HQ
(175) Zardu Layak, the Crimson Apostle-Warlord
-Rite of War: Dark Brethren
(130) Centurion, Chaplain, Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Thunder Hammer
>Troops
(325) Ashen Circle: 10 Incendiaries with Power Axes
(230) 15 Tactical Marines, Chainswords
(230) 15 Tactical Marines, Chainswords
>Elites
(290) 8 Gal Vorbak
>Heavy Support
(310) Spartan Assault Tank, Armored Ceramite

>>Chaos Daemons Age of Darkness Detachment
>HQ
(300) Kairos Fateweaver
(350) Be'lakor
>Troops
(104) 11 Pink Horrors, Icon of Chaos
(45) 3 Nurgling Swarms

Any thoughts? Any help welcome

>>43616744
Corswain, Seneschal of the Lion and Paladin of the Dark Angels #1 all day erry day.

>Stabs that fag Kurze in the back.
>Bitch slaps the butt pirate Sevetar on multiple occasions.
>Wreaks the shit of Lutherites left right and centre when the Lion finally gets back to Caliban.
>Got a nickname from a Primarch.
>Pretty sure he also duels 'Ol Siggy at some point and doesn't entirely get his nuts handed to him.

Based Cor.

Thinking of going Death Guard in The Reaping. how's this look to you guys?

Legion Praetor In Terminator Armour: cataphractii terminator armour; paragon blade; digital lasers; iron halo; rad grenades 190

5 Deathshroud Terminator Squad (DG): melta bombs 235

Master Of Signal: artificer armour 95

17 Tactical Squad: Sergeant (power weapon; artificer armour; rad grenades 250

17 Tactical Squad: Sergeant (power weapon; artificer armour; rad grenades 250

1 Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: two kheres pattern assault cannons 180

2 Apothecarion Detachment: 2× augury scanner; 2× artificer armour 120

2 Rapier Weapons Battery: 2× laser destroyer array 110

Spartan Assault Tank: armoured ceramite; flare shield 340

Sicaran Battle Tank: lascannon sponsons 175

5 Grave Warden Terminator Squad (DG): heavy flamer with chem munitions; chainfist 215

10 Heavy Support Squad: 10× missile launcher; flakk missiles for missile launcher 335

2,495 points

Praetor with the Deathshroud in the Spartan. MoS with the Heavy Support to make them hilariously dangerous. Apothecaries toughen up the Tac squads.

>>43648560
>Rite of War: Dark Brethren
don't bother with this. The main benefit of it to combat psykers but no one takes them in 30k really. Apart from other word bearers...

Zardu already makes Chaos Daemons allies so the only other benefit is forfeit as well.

Unlike this Anon >>43645988 I think the blade slaves are pretty good. Just make sure you decline any challenges from enemies with AP2 as Zardu himself sucks a bit in melee.

If you don't bother with this RoW you can get rid of the other Tac squad and get some actual anti-tank.

Any S10 blasts your opponent brings will just shred the Gal Vorbak to putty the moment they're out of CC so you'll want a unit that can take out a vindicator / medusa / Dracosian by the time their out and about.

Also 650 points on Daemon special characters is pretty steep, are you sure you want both?

Using the Alpha Legion RoW, can I use a Ghal Vorbak contemptor dread?

You guys think it would be fair to houserule Iron Warrior's LA to also give stubborn within 6" of an objective? or include it in Hammer of Olympia?

>>43649460

Super OP

>>43648560
Much better, but a few minor recommendations:
- The Dark Brethren doesn't really offer you anything you'd want, so I'd not bother. If your forces by chance fit the requirements, sure, go for it, but it hardly ever pays to do so intentionally.
- The chaplain is all about volume of attacks, so I'd consider replacing the thunderhammer with a poweraxe and meltabombs. It also pays to have a way to get him into melee fast, e.g. giving him a jump pack and sticking him with the Ashen Circle.
- Speaking of which, keep at least one Axe-Rake. The increased chance to sweep is pretty good. Honestly, the correct poweraxe/axe-rake ratio is subject of constant debate among WB players. Personally I prefer one poweraxe on the champ and the rest of the squad with axe-rakes, but you'll need to experiment a little there, see what works for you.