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what's with the goddamn chicken?

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So I'm working on building up a Renegades & Heretics list from the Vraks book using the Purge detachment with the Ordnance Tyrant. That lets me use artillery for Elites and Troops slots as well as Heavy slots. With 8 troop slots and 4 elites slots, that should give me enough room to fit a ton of artillery in. What else should I look at getting for these guys? I keep hearing good things about rapier laser batteries. Are they as good as people say? Cheap ordnance at BS2 or 3 if I upgrade them. Should I stuff most of my heavy slots with those?

>>43578104
New Ork codex when?

First for Thousand Sons/Word Bearers the best legions.

First Legion is the bestest legion. For Luther and the Emperor!

>>43578250
Still a long way off.
Tyranids, CSM and some sort of Daemonkin is what's rumoured for next year.

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I propose the following subject: Eldar Corsairs.
Where are they? Why they are not here? When they will be here?

Discuss.

I really need to build image related army (wraith / harlequin / exodite / corsairs).

>>43578269
my negro companion

>>43578250
>>43578368
my friend told me orks are the new sisters of battle...

>>43578206
Rapiers are rapey as fuck provided the enemy comes into line of sight. Leadership can fuck you, as can no snapshotting. But throw 2 or three per squad, extra crew and buy the training. Definitely worth the points. Oh and use cover.

>>43578368
CSM are always expecting a new dex.
Why don't GW release a semi decent codex mid edition instead of guinea pigging us and letting the power creep wash over us?

>>43578711
Sisters of Battle are mildly competitive, but never get new models.
Orks get plenty of new models, but they're awful on the table if the player doesn't know every trick available to them.

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>>43578328
Oh, is that what Luther told you?

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>>43578104
The download link doesn't work for Novels Archive.

>>43578871

dat ass doe

>>43578758
I would have thought at this stage all CSM players would have stopped playing the vanilla dex, and just play Crimson Slaughter instead.

>>43578368
Majority of rumors seem to indicate a Tzeentch Daemonkin Codex with a new plastic Lord of Change. But it's best to be cautiously optimistic since we've been hearing rumors along those lines for a few years now.

But from my own sources (who I admit aren't always reliable) it seems like Tyranids are the next 40k release (excluding the Tau campaign stuff).

>>43578904
>I would have thought at this stage all CSM players would have stopped playing the vanilla dex, and just play Crimson Slaughter instead.
I know 8 people from 3 different playgroups who play CSM, and literally every single one of them plays Crimson Slaughter.

I actually thought people automatically refer to that when talking about CSM. Isn't it basically CSM 6.5?

So /tg/, do you have a list you think would be fun as hell, that you for some reason haven't played yet? And why haven't you done so yet?

>>43578905
I'd bet on the plastic Lord of Change making an appearance. They released the plastic Blood thirster alongside KDK, so it'd be an educated guess to expect the same treatment for Zteentch.

>>43578871
It hasn't for weeks now, I wonder why the guy removed everything

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>>43578904
Its as close to a real codex were going to get.
All the csm players in my area have quit.
We all know that new codex is going to be an uninteresting flop of blandness and lol-so-randum.

Bet you a shiny nickel that legions wont be addressed, tzeentch is still the worst, our land raider varients dont exist, and we'll still have shitty walkers instead of the superior mcs.

Anyone who thinks it wont be a reprint is fucking retarded.

Did that bundle-exclusive tau formation with the wall get to the internet yet?

>>43579104
one Land Raider may be shitty, but if you field one with 3 Predators and 3 Vindicators and a Warpsmith, then you will get the super awesome formation where you can reroll once on the Boon table!1!!

>>43579104
>Bet you a shiny nickel that legions wont be addressed
play 30k maybe?

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Does anyone else really wish there were more armor marks in Marine kits? This pic from one of the old codexes shows marines with almost even distribution of armor pieces from marks 2 through 8, whereas most kits only have parts from a few. And what ones you get are really random. Like why do we get so many mk5 chests and then none of any other part? Why half of the heads and legs mk6 but no chests and only left shoulders? Why a single mk8 chest and nothing else?

>>43579190
>What's that? No, you don't get any kind of squadron bonus for having three Predators or Vindicators. Where would you get such a crazy idea?

>>43579104
Maybe they'll do what they did with Tau and just release an "add on" to the codex. The consistency with GW is fucked.

>>43578145
You had to be in that thread. Apparently calling somebody a rooster in German or Russian (It's been a while, can't remember) is a way of calling them a liar or something similar. Dude was asking for proof of some incredibly basic info that was in the Codex, and kept demanding proof and posting pictures of roosters even after he'd been clearly beaten.

Like I said, you kind of had to be there.

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>>43579109

>>43579511
fuck off carnac

>>43578852
The Lion abandoned and attacked us because he wanted to side with Horus. I served the Emperor before the Lion was found and I still serve him.

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>>43579645
I will take that as a yes. We have some things to discuss, "brother." The tone of that discussion will depend on how amenable to reason you are feeling.

>>43579547

stop forcing this meme.

>>43579884
stop being "an upstanding member of the community"

>>43579104

Idk if it will be a just a reprint with formations tacked on. It wouldnt surprise me though.

The only thing Im certain of is that it wont be competitive. The Chaos line sells too well to encroach on the powerful codexes, it just doesnt need rules to push kits. So all the Chaosfags that are pining away for a new codex are just setting themselves up for disappointment. It will be Blood Angels tier (with spikes).

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>>43579645
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU

>>43579547
that isn't even remotely carnac you newfag

>>43580336
if you say so senpai

no one would say roosterbro was wrong

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>>43579239
Forge World should have all of that. Older bolters, special weapons, and vehicles, too.

There are also 10 Maximus bodies in the new box set.

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>>43579865
Hey, at least I don't have skulls on my armour.

>>43580780
The heretical words of Luther have clouded your mind. These skulls do not do honor to Khorne. They represent the visage of the Emperor and the hard core of Mankind, standing firm against a hostile universe.

Where's a good place to buy bits? Looking for spacewolf bits. Anyone want to sell some by chance? email me at [email protected]

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>>43581023
>email me at [email protected]

>>43578431

>Tfw they finally add exodites

YO, WE GOT ALL DA WARRIORS.

>>43581095
I'm being serious, not phished at all. I need some space wolf bits.

>>43580394

>Roosterbro

You are even more cancerous than fucking Carnac. Being retarded enough to reply to Carnac is one thing. Managing to lose the argument as well is the cherry on the retard cake.

>>43581163
Not that anon, and while your obviously not carnac, you re supporting him.
What that saying again, the only person more foolish than a fool are those who follow him?

Is it sad that in my meta my pure tzeentch thousand sons army is considered OP and I only play it on special occasions?

>>43581270
What the hell type of meta allows for that?

>>43580862
"clouded mind" coming from someone with an incense burner on his backpack is rather ironical; having the ability to breathe toxic fumes does not mean we have to do it.
Maybe this blue armoured witch behind you told you to do this, brother. In the old times we would have put mutants like that down, instead of welcoming them in our ranks.

>>43581283
I would assume MEQ-spam metas. Thousand Suns are actually pretty solid at killing Marine squads, despite the memes.

>>43581407
Those censers are filled with the ground up bones of traitors as well. Worst fluff ever.

>>43581407
Do you doubt the gifts of the Emperor, that some incense seems a threat to you? Is your will so weak that a lone Librarian must be feared? No wonder you fell. I pity you.

>>43581464
[Spoiler] Wait, what? I thought that was just the Maces and Halberd. Yikes.[/spoiler]

>>43580475

30 mk4 marines actually which is why I'm getting it, but while FW sells armor of every mark, they only sell them as complete kits and I really only want bits. And none of the chinamen I know of sell mk6 chests by themselves. I'll probably have to learn to cast them myself.

>>43578145
>>43579511
>you had to be in that thread

No, that is a few years old meme from a non-4chan image board where Russians are infamous for whataboutism and hilariously retarded denial etc., it became a meme because every time somebody talked shit about Russia there, some Russian would appear and shitpost PROOF? PROOF? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? WESTERN LIES!

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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THING?!

>>43581715
Moriar?

>>43581715
Looks like a chaplain of the Angels Sanguine.

>>43581715

BA update? New chaplain, and the Deathstorm captain? The chaplain looks super-duper sick though.

>>43581283
Thousand Sons will rape MEQ if they're lucky enough to be alive and in range, that is literally the only thing they're good at. A KSons army might actually do well against KDK, Blood Angels, Templars, etc. basically any marine army that plans into assault or uses actual marines in the midfield.

I ran a Zerker army at the beginning of 6th and my m8's KSons slapped my shit hard. Granted neither army is good, but that particular matchup rocked my anus.

>>43581741
>Moriar
I mean Lemartes.

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>>43581715
>need a chaplain
>Want that badass one that only comes in the fucking reclusium box that is mostly shit I don't need/want
>MFW this will be plastic and available fucking everywhere

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Hey guys I decided I wanted to run a little black templar attachment alongside my Lamenters (Blood Angels)

What stuff is really fun to take for Black Templars these days? I've already built an emperor's champion and a squad of initiates with ccw/pistols.

I figured their special rules work best with assault marines, chaplains, terminators, stuff like that. Lamenters will have the job of objective holding with normal tac squads, rhinos, some assault marines, death company, and vanguard vets, so I'm open to going full retard with the Black Templar.

Was considering another initiate squad, some scouts as meatshields for both, an assault termi squad, and maybe running a squad of jetpack assault guys with them too for shits and giggles. I'd love to run a bunch of marines on foot/jetpack between my Lamenters and Templar, so any tips on how to make that work best would be awesome.

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>>43581715

>meanwhile Dante's model is approaching 20 years old

>>43578206
you should run 4 groups of 3. They are absolute murder against anything they can shoot at, and BS3 twinlinked is better than BS4.

>>43581996
Not even a wolf fag, but you can't complain about shit when the ragnar blackmane miniature is from rogue trader.

What is the oldest unupdated model in 40k?

Squats is not the answer.

>>43581996
You can kitbash an absolutely identic Dante using the sanguinary guard box and a Jump pack.

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>>43581996

And? It still looks great. Only downside is failcast but you can still find metal ones around.

>>43582090
Gaunts ghosts maybe?

>>43581095
Um, buy them on ebay from bits-world like everyone else does, they have everything you could want at reasonable prices.

Ebay user: bits-world

>>43581125
Never going to happen. They're farmers, they can't run in the 40K universe, that's why Craftworlds protect them. They're like the Jar Jar Binks race

>>43578431
They're getting an update in Forgeworld IA very soon. Options to give Guardians 3+ Saves at the expense of fleet. Bunch of other special rules that are escaping me at the moment

>>43581095
I'd be more suspicious if it was a name or something along those lines.

is krom getting re-released as well?

>>43582090
Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik the Slayer maybe? They've had the same models since Andy Chambers and Jervis Johnson were going head-to-head in battle reports.

>>43578250

When the 8th Edition rolls around.

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>>43582090

summer 1996 for this, I believe

>>43582378
Yeah those two and the rune priest terminator are from 92. It'll be hard to beat that.

>>43581903
The Emperor's Champion is kinda neat but not particularly worth the points. Grimaldus is absolutely amazing, particularly in your kind of list. I like to use vanguard and have been doing so since the points drop on melee weapons for them. They're pretty decent, you just need to be careful with them. Assault terminators are garbage, use an honor guard squad with mixed power weapons. With a banner, you're running at about five attacks per model. With hatred and a decent mix of weapons, you should be kicking the shit out of anything that can be charged. As far as crusade squads go, you're regrettably best-off with 20 bolter dudes. It's not exceptionally templary, but it's hard to argue with that many bolters at the price. I have never used normal assault squads. Anything they can do will be done better by something else.

>>43582417
I suggest to go Shadowstrike for Vanguards. Not rolling for reserves and charging after deepstrike make them very good.

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Was looking into ways to prevent people from Overwatching/Snap Shots. I've only seen that the Excess psychic tree has a power that can stop it. Are there any others? Available to Orks maybe?

Also is there a way to force and opponent to fire Snap Shots in his turn? (friend has a insanely Flamer heavy/mech guard army)

I know that it's possible to have members of two different armies in one army thanks to double CAD, but is it possible to have members of three different armies? I like the friendship aspect between the Black Templars, Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights and was thinking if an army can be made where Black Templars do their close range shit with SoB doing range support and GK doing psyker support.

>>43582511
>double CAD
Pretty certain there's no limit on how many CADs you can take.

>>43582511
You can take as many detachments as you like. That particular combination is going to suck, however. You need way too many troops and HQs for that to be viable. You're not going to ever get to take what makes each of those decent.

>>43582470
Pinning does it. Get some ork snipers?

>>43582511
I think an alliance it's like the wolf, goat and cabbage problem. You have to stop the BT from charging the witches (GK) while at the same time stopping the GK from sacrificing the SoB for some ritual.

>>43582560
but they only hit on a 4+

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>>43582560

>>43582462
Unfortunately, that requires one to take scout squads, which would be something of a fluff abomination for a Templar player.

>>43582470
Charge it with something that doesn't matter/can't be hurt first. It doesn't help much for orks, but I used to carry around a skull bitch inquisitor to do nothing but drop servo skulls and charge Tau and eat the supporting fire bukkake. I'd imagine you could do something similar with a naked IC or a unit you really don't care about, like a single deffkopta.

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>>43578104
I need advice. My BL warband is called the Arms of Abbadon, and bones and stars are a reoccurring theme in the warband. Can I get a better name for the stars and bone theme?

>>43582551
Well for a 2000 point army, if I take the requires 1 HQ 2 troops for each that leaves me about 400-500 points maybe to put some heavy shit, no?

>>43582568
Nah. They all make particular exceptions for each other fluff wise which is the cool thing.

>>43582511
>friendship between loyalists

pretty sure the grey knights are snickering or irritated at the sisters being too pure for corruption since they spend years doing training from hell. the sisters are annoyed that there are psykers nearby and marines. the black templars are just praying.

as far as army composition goes idk. sisters would give the grey knights all the anti tank they lack, but then marines could do the same thing if not better.

>>43582560
i don't know what you're talking about. orks don't have snipers and they aren't know for conveniently shutting up marines who talk too much. no sir. no way at all.

>>43578905
Can you source these rumours? Because every single one of them seem to be just people wishing as hard as they can until some others in the thread actually believe it.

>>43582696
The space buccaneers ?

FOR ARRRRBADDON

>>43581803

My local GW employee tried to sell me the whole box set just for the chaplin because he would be easier to fit on a bike.

Like this dude is such a jew trying to take advantage of my lack of experience. The last three times I have been there.

He also tried to sell me the 30k box shit...

Nigga I told you I am building a Ravenwing list...

I don't even like those models.

>>43582697
Thinking on it more, you might be able to work it if you seriously skimp on required units. Scout squads are cheap, sisters are cheap-enough, and the GK codex detachment is practically anemic. The only problem you might run into is that those armies are notorious for being expensive to work well (except for sisters, which are pretty much Exorcists and the people who provide them cover saves). I guess that if you take the minimum necessary troops, then flood the board with librarians, dreadknights, exorcists, and honor guard, you might end up with something amusing.

>>43582748
It can work.

>>43582763
WOW I just looked at the spurs for that chaplin from the box, how the fuck would that be easier to put on a bike.


Fuck

this

guy

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>>43581803
I was about to shit on your taste there as that chaplains head looks fucking awful, but then I saw the spooky skull version and holy shit that is 10/10.

Why are chaplains so cool /tg/?

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>>43582823
>Why are chaplains so cool /tg/?
Because superhuman warrior priests who wear skull masks are awesome?

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I plan on creating a very fluffy renegade army that revolves around an acient possessed baneblade that gets worshipped by an entire planet.

Now i'm kinda new to 40k and have never played or seen a game with baneblades (or any variants).

How strong and how easy to destroy are they ingame? will they always get focussed down or survive to the end?
Also, is it considered cheesy or stupid to bring one, especially together with a horde army?
And which baneblade variant is the most survivable/tanky?

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>>43582823

I am trying to stick this bad boy on a bike.

>>43582734
hope is the first step on the road to disappointment, might as well say sisters are getting an update next. my prediction is another book to upgrade, guard have been getting bland so probably them. then again gw likes how bland nids are along with chaos... definitely a bland guard book next

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>>43582763
>>43582790

Thats what you get for supporting Games Workshop you silly faggot,

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>>43582873

>>43582873
Yeah, good luck with that. He may have to learn how to surf.

>>43582873
Might be simpler just to buy a crozius and skull head from a bits site.

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>>43582914
>He may have to learn how to surf
Surfing marines sounds great.

>>43582914
Not necessarily a bad idea. You could take an Attack Bike and replace the sidecar with a fighting platform/pulpit for the Chaplain to stand in, and just count him as a regular Chaplain on a bike. Base size would be a bit large but I doubt anyone would complain.

>>43582864

Renegades by RAW only get the generic Baneblade tank.

its aight, 9/2 10" blast is gud, the 12" zealot/fanatic bubble is fun(from Blasphemous Icon:). They don't compare to the Taunar or Wraithknights but 14/13/12 9hp usually lasts until someone rolls 6 on the D table or you get charged by something with haywire.

Renegades is all about dat cheddar, grab a Baneblade with tons of Mutant Rabble around it to give it a 5+ intervening model cover save and walk up the board, theyl run or get pinned (3d6, pick lowest, reroll if failed) and at 3 pts a model your opponent doesn't really want to waste time shooting meatsacks.

I play renegades with a Purge Detatchment that's basically just as much blast/barrage spam with 3x33 zombies to bubblewrap for deepstrike, pretty fun coming from playing Eldar for 2 years.


If your opponent isn't a fgt then the Stormlord/Shadowsword and whichever one gets the 10/1 10" blast with ignores cover are easily the best ones.

>>43582989
Larger bases are always fine. I rather like that idea. It seems pretty appropriate for the Dangles.

>>43580475
About the Mk4 armors does anyone knows what's up with all the rivets? Is it just for appear sake or does it serve an actual purpose?

Finally breaking down and looking at getting into Warhammer 40k. I like the look of the CSM, but I have a few questions.

Is it worth it starting with the dark vengeance set/expansions? The local scene is dead so i'll need two armies anyways.

Is a force based around cultists/termies/marines viable? Do the miniatures weapons have to reflect their upgrades?

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>>43582914
>>43582961

I bought a bike from Dark Vengeance that have the legs as part of the bike, all I need to do is trim some chains in front on the term and a wedge in his cape.

>>43583089
The Dark Vengeance set is pretty much useless for chaos players due to terrible wargear options. Viability is entirely dependent upon local meta. Chaos is bad, to be honest, but not so bad as people here will lead you to believe. If you just play with friends, you can do pretty much whatever you want. That being said, I recommend Nurgle spawn. Drink your opponents' tears. The weapons should reflect the upgrades. You don't need to necessarily, but it's a bit of a dick move if it gets egregious.

How would a Daemonkin book work for the other Gods?

>>43583089

>>43583089

CSM is literal garbage tier without jumping through hoops. DV is ridiculously cost effective, its easy to convert the DA side of things to CSM, but the models you get aren't that powerful.

Cultists, termies, and marines aren't really the star units of CSM, though "viable" completely depends on what you'r playing against. the two armies in DV are relatively well matched, though it comes down mostly to whos walker dies/immobilized first.

The biggest issue is that the DV box comes with very limited wargear options.

>>43583089

My friend and I split the Dark Vengeance box.

He went the DKD route and is hardly using any of the models from DV, I am only using the bikes.

Here is our lists 1000 pt lists frm last thread. I would check it out and see what people said.>>43577817

You also get a minirulebook, scatter and templates in DV which you need.

>>43578711
Does your friend also have an uncle that works for nintendo?

>>43583072
They strengthen the armour or something. MKV is mostly all riveted because they cheaped out on the materials to produce it faster.

>>43582864
That's really cool fluff mate. Have the vehicle be incredibly old so it has a rudimentary and malevolent sentience. IA13 gives you loads of stuff to personalise vehicles with if you are Chaos.

>>43582090
Phoenix Lords & Eldar Warlocks

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Whats a good speedfreak list for orks?

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Although I own the books, I'm really appreciating Scananon's scans. I just made one into a phone case. (just got here, and it turned out great)

What other art would make a good phone case from a HH book?

>>43583003
I just realised how well the 3+ cover save would suit my theme. I think i'll always keep the tank in a milita bubble and tie some of them to the tank itself so they act as living reactive armor. The zealot bubble is just the icing of the cake.

>"OUR FLESH WILL PROTECT AND FEED THE GLORIOUS MASCHINE, FOR WE ARE HIS CHOSEN"

>>43583230
So are you saying that with the Mk4 stuff. That if when they were making the armors. A piece was not up to standards that instead of trashing it, they said let's just make due and add some bolts? That's kind of Orky but I don't think that cutting corners is the best idea.

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Would putting purple marines on a purple bike look dumb?

The bike is no where near finished but I just realized it may be a problem.

>>43583356
Do it with one guy. If it turns out it sucks, strip it and do it again.

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Alright I've the yellow a bit, do they still look like disgruntled McDonalds employees?

>>43583356
If you're doing that your sergeant needs a pimp hat. :)

>>43583376
Those colours clash horribly to be honest.

The red is too bright. That olive tan looking colour doesn't look good next to it.

Just my opinion

>>43583339

Ally in Daemons, for Skarbrand and Pink Horrors, and your Baneblade-esq Deathstar gets Rage and Hatred in a 12" bubble around Skarbrand (your opponent does to, but who gives a shit) and Skarbrand absolutely murders anything get touches, helping you get through the tough stuff.

>>43583376
Toned down god damn it, I've toned down the yellow.

>>43583402

You should just give up.

>>43583384
THIS

>We shall slap the xenos, the demon and the traitor bitch in the emperors name

>This world better have ma money

>>43583376

They look like they should either be playing soccer for or conducting a terrorist movement in a Latin American country.

>>43583376
Go back to the orange and tan. I liked that much more than the red.

>>43583376
That color red armor just looks so dorky on a guardsman.

>>43583385
Do you think it would look better with khakis fatigues and red armor, perhaps with yellow trim?

>>43583448
Different anon

>>43583376
maybe you should just stop and watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8xryaE0-jE

>>43583376
Isn't their a regiment of imperial guard rebels that wear red? Maybe you should consider a different color, like yellow orange for workersmen

>>43578206
Generally with that Formation / Devotion combo you should use Wyverns compulsory elites, Field Artillery as troops and then fill all your heavy support with BS3 Rapier lasers.

If you then go nurgle devotion on your demagogue you've got plenty points spare for zombie tarpits and bubblewrap (by far the best in the game, 3 points for a 4+ FnP, fearless wound).

Some of the heavier artillery can be good too, but it rarely beats out rapiers as for the cost of 1 Medusa Siege gun you can get multiple rapiers that can take off multiple hullpoints instead, whereas a medua will only ever deal a single hullpoint (not including explodes).

Also you'll want to make some paper cut out blastmarkers.

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>>43583072

Molecular bonding studs, used to fuse extra plating to power armor or repair damaged armor. They're power armor staples. Most famously used on MkV Heresy Armor which was mostly cobbled together parts held together with studs.

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>>43583524
I'm bad at colors. I was using pic related as reference but yeah I think I'll be going back to the drawing broad for now.

>>43582873
The lower robed legs are a separate bit from the upper torso. Get a hold of a ravenwing command squad bike with the robed legs.

The torso are two parts: the front and the back (which has all of the cape molded on it pretty much). If you were to take a regular marine torso back and mesh it with the interrogator chaplain's front, you'd have a bike compatible upper torso.

After that, it's a matter of finding a compatible cape bit (such as a resin one from a 3rd party site like anvil industries) or making your own-- sculpting it/manipulating it to be blowing in the wind behind the chaplain.

>>43583575
...so the armor is riveted together

>>43582470
Pinning helps, but Orks have none for some reason.

I don't get why they don't have some kind of Super-shoota Mek Gun with pinning on it, that would be ace.

The only thing I can think of is allying in some CSM as they are allies of convenience and taking Rapier weapon batteries with hades autocannons.

This will murder a mech guard list as well as you can get 24 S8 shots in each HS slot so they work good for anti-armour.

Also, being Artillery you can pretty much model them as you like and maybe take human slaves as counts-as cultists.

If you want to keep it in Orks though I'd suggest just taking heavy anti-infantry, like grotzookas and just killing all his flamers on the ground.

>>43583730
Basically. Marines back then numbered in the tens of thousands per legion and less of a fuck was given about them dying.

>>43583730

Very fancy hi-tech rivets but yes. On the MkIV armor it most likely means that part was repaired. It wasn't until MkVI armor that power armor had interchangeable parts and could just swap out broken parts for new ones.

>>43582774
Tired as fuck from the gym right let me rehydrate myself and Imma try to create a build.

>>43582703
Sisters are super chill with Templars. Grey Knights are super chill with Templars. One of the Matt Ward 1d4chan pages claims Sisters and Grey Knights are supposedly chill, too (the one that talks about that stupid GK killing an entire group of Sisters for their magical chaos defense things even though it's terribly OOC for GK to do something like that.)

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>>43582696

>Arms of Abbadon

>>43582864
This dude >>43583003 is right on some stuff but wrong on others.

You will barely ever be able to claim a 5+ cover from a human sized model with a baneblade, unless what is shooting at it is literally right next to the human model.

And if you were going for this kind of tactic tank the unending host formation alongside (don't know why no one else has suggested this) would be awesome.

You'll have 12 squads of 15 renegades who will always respawn on a 2+ if they die and give a 3+ intervening cover save instead of 5+.

This might be pushing it a bit on the cheese levels, but you could always take a normal renegade CAD and build it up to an unending host so you have something that could give Eldar and Tau a run for their money.

>>43582272
ork vehicle

>>43582696
Are they lost in the warp?

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>>43583072
Its actually pieces of mk 5 armour.

Its supposed to bond additional layers of armour together better. Its specifically designed to hinder penetrator weapons ( ie Bolters). Hence why it was only made during the heresy, and after. The studs also act as a crude form of ablative plating (think of that plating they have on modern day tanks to hinder rockets)

>>43583510
I think the red just looks bad honestly.

Anyone know where to find codex CSM 6th? Cant find it anywhere
>Legally of course

>>43583983
Are you serious?

>>43583941
Securing bolts does not into ERA.

>>43584056
About which part?

>>43582696
>>43582859
>>43582968
>>43583376

Was a new painter template released?

>>43583941

No it's still MkIV. You can tell by the lack of external cables over the thighs and the angular kneecaps. Although you are kinda right, since MkV armor was actually a mishmash of old power armor parts held together with studs. But the studs are just fancy rivets holding additional layers of armor, I don't think they serve as protection themselves.

Okay so I'm a noob that just got his hands on some Dark Eldar I made a 500pt list as a start and help would be appreciated.
-HQ-
Archon- blaster, agonizer

-ELITES-
5 trueborn- 2 dark lances

-TROOPS-
5 warriors- blaster in a venom w/ 2 splinter cannons x2

-FA-
3 reavers

>>43584095
I think MkV was also using parts of the still being worked on MkVI. Real frankenstein monster mark.

FW's version really doesn't do it any justice. Bit of a shame.

>>43584153

Well they don't sell the MkV tactical squads anymore only the assault, so maybe they plan on updating them. Neither one had the word "Legion" in front of them so they were designed before FW started doing 30k.

Can someone help me with this?
So when new space marine chapters are founded how do they determine who the chapter master, or the chaplains, or the master of the forge, and so on are. Do they take people from existing chapters, or how exactly does it work.

>>43584091
The only part, where you can buy a legal CSM codex. Because that doesn't take a genius to figure out.

>>43584380
dude, ebay that shit

>>43584415
Why are you telling me that, dumbass?

>>43583793
AIGHT! Here's what I got so far for my Black Templars/Sisters of Battle/Grey Knights army

1743 points so far

Black Templars

>The Emperor's Champion - 140 points

>2x 10 man Crusader Squad - 214 points x2
(5 initiates with one multi-melta)
(4 neophytes)
(1 sword brother with power fist)
(extra armor rhino)


Sisters Of Battle

>Uriah Jacobus - 100 points

>2x 9 Battle Sisters with Sister Superior - 180 points x2
(Battle Sisters with Flamer and Heavy Flamer)
(Sister Superiors with Storm Bolter)
(Rhino)
Grey Knights

>Librarian - 165 points
(Nemesis Warding Staff)
(Domina)
(Psyker Mastery Level 3)

>2x 9 Strike Squad Grey Knights with Justicar - 275 points x2
(GK squads with 2 Psilencers each)
(Rhino)

Aight, that leaves me with 257 points. Where to next?

>>43583858

im pretty sure a wall of cultists would suffice for 25%, though I'm not digging mine out of the box to check.

>>43583800
The Lord is a HH era marine that hasn't seen Abby in forever. He demands a hug from his brother.

I already have a 5 man dual lightning claw vanguard squad, what do you guys think for wargear for the new vanguard squad I'm building? I play RAven Guard and intend to field both Vanguard squads in a Shadowstrike Kill Team formation to assault out of deep strike.

I was thinking grav pistols and power fists, axes, or thunder hammers, or a combination thereof, but that becomes ungodly expensive. I wanna fuck up harder targets that my claw vanguard aren't as appropriate for.

>>43584474
Take a Dread Keniggit.

>>43584380
>>43584415
>>43584463
That was a joke. Im not paying GW prices for paper anymore, so its between finding it online and not playing the army.

>>43584616
The links in the OP then.

>>43584616
If only there was a rules archive somewhere.

>>43581715
That's Captain Karlaen on the right. When was this guy released?
Is the picture from White Dwarf?

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>>43584616
>that was a joke

>>43584463
welp i'm not paying attention

>>43581715
Oh god...

DOES THIS MEAN MONT'KA IS GOING TO FEATURE BLOOD ANGELS???

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>>43584667
Get ready to Bangle. Rip, tear, and wartime blood drinking.

>>43584680
>bangle
Coin that shit. Make it a word for something dirty as fuck.

>>43584667
i wouldn't get your hopes up for a decurion though

>>43584680
When I read that, Manic Monday started playing in my head.

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>>43584667
>BA will get rected by Farsight
>Dante is kill by him

>>43584634
>Did not read
Serves me right.
Thanks!

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>>43584691
I've called them Bangles for a while. Dark Angels are Dangles by the way.
>>43584697
It did?
>>43584705
>mfw

>>43584729
Tha Bangles are a band.

Manic Monday is one of their songs.

>>43584739
Mind posting a link to it?

>>43584744
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SsmVgoXDq2w

There you go.

>>43584744
Wow this thread is lazy as shit right now.

>>43584751
Thanks.
>>43584753
I have no shame as of this moment.

>>43584744
How have you lived at least 18 years in the Western world without hearing that song at least once?

Are you a semi-feral hikkikomori or just 13 years old?

>>43584606
Holy fucking shit I just saw the stats on this thing NOW I know why people bitched about GKs what the fuck. I can't believe it's got a free power fist, a Nemesis Greatsword, Gattling Psilencer, Heavy Psycannon, and teleporter all just for 235 points.

>>43584767
>>43584767
>How have you lived at least 18 years in the Western world without hearing that song at least once?
I might have listened to it once, but it's not ringing any bells.

>>43584785
YOU WILL NOW ASSOCIATE THIS SONG WOTH THE BLOOD ANGELS.

WHEN THEY DEEPSTRIKE ONTO THE BATTLEFIELD THIS SONG WILL PLAY IN YOUR HEAD.

>>43584795
You win, Anon. I strangely like the association. Seems like something they'd listen to keep themselves from falling in the Black Rage.

Y'all with your pussy ass music heralding 40k. You need some Bolt Thrower in your life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL19beIJSE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB2V9b0ts-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpx0QuLbBfo

Gotta love how what is not only one of the best death metal bands, but a band with one of the most consistent discographies out there and their own unique style of Old School Death Metal is one who writes songs about Warhammer Fantasy and 40k stuff.

>>43584530
If one would feel very cheesy he could just give them a lot of banners or place big rocks on their bases.
Obviously i dont wanna get kicked out of my lokal gw forever so i'll have to think of something else.. Maybe some chimaeras as mobile cover if they are not too expensive..

Anyone any ideas?

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>>43584795
>>43584817
Someone's got a case of the Mondays!

>>43584850
Perfect.

>>43584599
>pistols
Not even once bro
I would suggest 3 axes and 2 fist/shield guys

>>43584784

Any higher in price and you couldn't justify taking it.

There also isn't a lot in the Grey Knights codex overall so.

>>43584121
Blasters on the trueborn, lancers are heavy if memory serves they can't move and shoot. Otherwise it's a decent first try.

>>43584335
They don't really say. Generally the chapter is mentored by another chapter until all roles can be filled.

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Which Chaos God would Cliff Racers serve?

>>43584784
well, it's made for fighting greater daemons which ya know is scary shit that easily smack up bro caps. on the tabletop it's different since they are a damn effective unit and daemons lack eternal warrior now

>>43584906
khorne of course

>>43584850
when did the lamenters get their death company?

>>43584925
Why Khorne? Tzeentch is a better choice.
>>43584925
After the Badab War. Their luck ran out, and now they have DC.

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>>43584906
Khorne.

I swear a few must have been granted ascension from the assbeatings they gave me. I have had my ass kicked up and down to coast of morrowind so many times that I started enjoying it after the twentieth time.

>>43584925
Couldn't a greater daemon with the death incarnate warlord trait not push its shit in?

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>>43584530
Not unless you plan on literally stacking models on top of eachother.

>>43584834
If you want something pretty strong, just take the Vraks unending host along with a baneblade.

Half the suggestion so far have been really shit, this is by far the best tactic.

If you really want to protect the baneblade try and squeeze in some rapier laser destroyer batteries to take out any ranged anti-tank units that can ignore your cultist bubblewrap.

>>43583398
>Skarbrand

This is possibly the worst idea i've ever heard.

Renegades already get zealot so hatred is completely useless. You can give them rage by just attaching an enforcer and Skarbrand will just be killed before he reaches combat

Don't give someone list suggestions if you haven't even read the army list their talking about.

>>43584966
>drives many to rage
>so many skulls
Now I see how Cliff racers are the one true race of Khorne.

Just read the comments on that iii article. How true is the following:


The completely unsupportable "only 20% are gamers" fiction is a flat out lie aimed at protecting the copyrights of their models. In the UK its not possible to copyright gaming pieces/markers. This was discovered as a byproduct of GW's three year copyright lawsuit (millions spent/wasted) against Chapter House Studios in the US and DURING the suit GW started up its "We are a modelling company." mantra so that they can claim that the models are small sculptures, not gaming pieces.

Because the reality is that GW's models ARE gaming pieces, a well designed, well financed UK copyright lawsuit aimed at GW would find that none of their figures are copyrightable and the "walls" around their unsupportable copyrights would come crashing down, leaving the company in shambles, with anyone in the UK able to make copies of their models and sell them legally.

>>43584967
>Renegades already get zealot
From the baneblade, forgot to add.

>>43584906
They seem pretty similar to furies, so they'd be unaligned.

>>43583376
Just rip off the Severan Dominate if you want red and brownish. They're smexy.

>>43584966
a greater daemon could and given enough rewards/psychic powers sure, but even with the reroll on a CAD warlord trait you might not get it.

meanwhile the dreadknight has a few force weapons and a more likely chance to get off that instant death

>>43584984
I dunno, doesn't sound right to me.

How come chinamen get shut down and forced to work only via email?

Is that just GW bullying people who don't realise you can't actually copyright gaming pieces?

>>43581715
Is it just my imagination, or does that power armor look kinda skinny? What mark?

>>43585055
Probably so heavily modified by artificers it's hard to tell anymore, knowing Blood Angels.

>>43585041
>GW go full lawsuit mode
>oh fug I can't afford solicitor fees
>You vs GWs team
How do you think that'll go?

>>43585055
Could be artyfarty armour. That would actually be a pretty sweet option for chaplains of all kinds.

>>43584967

Chill, I forgot that Zealot includes hatred's reroll to hit in combat

>>43583793
>even though it's terribly OOC for GK to do something like that.
Doing whatever it takes to kill the enemies of the Imperium?

>>43585066
I agree with you. Grille on the skull helm looks IVish but even that's a stretch. Jump pack is a modified mkIV though,

>>43584967
I wish there was a transport variant of the baneblade.

And for that matter, why can't Chaos Space Marines take Chimeras? Do they still follow the teachings of the Codex Astartes or something?

>>43585284
>I wish there was a transport variant of the baneblade.

Theres like two that can hold 20+ models.

>>43585284
Stormlord.

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>>43585284
Don't know about the BB, but I believe some of the mecharius variants can hold 40~ dudes.

Okay I am also trying to more typical Black Templars build because I notice the previous one didn't have enough Land Raider Crusaders to be Black Templar enough.

1998 points

>High Marshal Helbrecht - 180 points

>2x 16 man Crusader Squads - 514 points x2
Everyone has chainswords
10 initiates with multimelta and flamer
5 neophytes in one squad 4 in the squad with HQ attached
1 sword brother with a power fist
1 Land Raider Crusader per squad with extra armor

>7 Terminator Assault Squad with Sergeant - 580 points
Everyone has Thunder Hammer + Storm Shield
Land Raider Crusader with Extra Armor and Multi-Melta

>Ironclad Dreadnought - 210 points
CCW
Chain Fist
Heavy Flamer
Melta Gun
2x Hunter Killer Missles
Ironclad Assault Launcher
Drop Pod

Something beautiful about having 3 Land Raiders charging the enemy with a Dreadnought just dropping out of fucking nowhere.

>>43585310
the stormlord or whatever with the twice firing gatling cannon can holy 40 units and has room for 20 to fire out of it

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>>43585291
>>43585293
how do they get in? do they climb the ladder and use a roof hatch? just sit on top?

>>43585310
>40 dudes
FW is always over the top

>>43585327
also, sponsons are bad enough, but sponson turrets? what were they thinking?

>>43585343
>magos! the machine spirit is demanding more guns for murdering, what do we do?!
>stick guns on the side then play some of the most holy pender grass
>also fetch me some candles, it's time to get personal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEjBVzSJWy0

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>>43581715
I love it

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I want to add some Deathwatch to my Inquisition forces through an allied detachment or something. It seems like the best way to represent kill teams would be through squads of sternguard, but I've only seen them used as suicide antitank units. Anyone have any experience using them in other roles?

>>43585322
I will never criticize the Templar Points army. I've always wanted to run it, but I don't have enough land raiders. However, you should consider taking Grimaldus instead of Helbrecht. The FnP and zealot everywhere are amazing. I'd also swap out the termies for honor guard. I've suggested that elsewhere in the thread as well. They're overall much better.

>>43585591
I stick them in a rhino and go hunting
No it doesn't work well, but it's different.

>>43584942
Wasn't the point of lamenters was that they cured the black rage and red thirst of their gene seed?

>>43585851
don't forget their bad luck as well, currently i think the chapter has been all but killed since they ran into a hive fleet

>>43582312

>Not knowing about Dragon Knights

Monkeigh please.

>>43585619
What about both Grimmy and Helbrecht? Helbrecht does give good boost to a Crusader Squad, but I'll have Grimmy be with the other that won't have the 4 neophytes cuz Grimmy has his 4 servitors (fitting 16 members each per Land Raider Crusader.)

Honor Guard are supposedly the best assault options Space Marines have now that I am doing further research on them. Thanks for this one I am more familiar with Chaos so I didn't know! Due to their unit size I have them in a Rhino though. Which I don't mind cuz I used the extra free points for a drop pod vanilla dreadnought.

Having two Land Raider Crusaders and a Rhino go at the enemy while two Dreadnoughts drop pod outta nowhere sounds like fun.

>>43584744

>Gives the name of a band and song
>Too fucking lazy to put that into google

I'm appalled you actually got spoonfed.

>>43586015
I've never used Helbrecht and generally dislike him. Most of this is residual hatred from him being disappointing. He's not that bad, they just could've done much better with his wargear. I would personally feel uncomfortable with putting anything as good as honor guard into a rhino. Losing their charge is painful.

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Trying to actively get into the hobby beyond occasionally surfing videos and playing the games, just bought my first rulebook off ebay.
I've been watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_2nM1GEllg
for a while, and wondering if there's anything like it anywhere else. pretty heavily concentrated lore put into an entertaining format. It's pretty imperial heavy though, so I was hoping there's other shit like it.

Reading the ciaphas cain novels right now, but novels seem to be a pretty bad way to go If I want a bunch of knowledge about a bunch of topics. Like, tau and chaos after the horus heresy. I know like none of the history there.
Are my choices for want of lore reading the wiki or codexes for armies, or is there other shit?

The novels archive link is and since I've visited 40k generals for a while, seemingly has been like for a while broken, so not entirely sure if that could have had what I wanted.

>>43586062
>and playing the games
Fucked up, meant playing the online games.
I still haven't done a single tabletop beyond a match of a dudes conquest deck, and still trying to find a group to play online chaos in the old world.

>>43586060
Should I just do no Rhino but with chapter banner then?

On a scale going from Safe to Squatted, how fucked are the Blood Angels?

>>43586062
I'm about 7 years into the hobby and i've read numerous books but still dont know shit about 90% of the lore for tau, necrons, eldar and only abot 50% about the factions i play.

theres a lot of fluff man, just focus of the stuff you like and some basics

>>43586095
Take the banner, +1 attacks is so obviously worth the points. If possible, I would like to see them in a land raider, even if that means slogging one of your marine squads. Never underestimate the power of a bunch of angry dudes with swords in a land raider. Also, make sure to let some one of the servitors eat the overwatch. Losing one isn't that bad and they're fairly easy to kill. Triggering your chapter tactic is totally worth it.

>>43584667
No, you idiot. The Blood Angels, at the time Kauyon is happening are fighting Hive Fleet Leviathan in the Shield of Baal.

They are preparing for a double invasion by Ka'pandaman and Hive Fleet Leviathan on their home system.

>>43586110
I mean, the only shit that doesn't get my fluff boner running are the orcs which are basically summed up (past the whole old ones shit) as
>WAAAAAAGH
and DE/eldar which are also easily summed up as
>lets murderfuckslave everything and generally act fucking insane
or
>"Let's constantly act superior and pretend we aren't completed fucked up the ass constantly by slaneesh and other shit"
and maybe some minor imperial factions/chapters.

Hell, the necrons don't even have shit beyond
>"the galaxy used to be ours, it will be again" and depressingcancerworld into undying deathbots
and I still like their shtick.

it's just mildly overwhelming.

>>43586062
https://1d4chan.org/ is a pretty good way to go. It has pretty much all the lore in 40k condensed in a rather entertaining (if meme filled) format. There's even tactics pages for each of the armies that provide a good supplement when getting into the tabletop, though some of the advice is a bit suspect.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page is also a good way to learn the lore, though it's pretty dense.

>>43585591
I've used them in drop pods and rhinos, and in anti-infantry, anti-tank, and that one fucker over there needs to die roles. They can do well in taking out squads of squishy bodies, especially with 2 heavy flamers. While not an efficient use of their points I've had some success as warlord hunters, but that depends on a lot of variables. How well they do in any role is also largely dependant on how and what your opponent plays. I've had four combat squads of them almost wipe a guys backfield, but in another they fell like wheat to a scythe. Anti-armour is where I find they get the most use in my meta right now though, but I've seen a guy run unbound with Pedro and Sternguard in drops pods painted up as Deathwatch.

>>43578250

After what we got for our last update, I'm not sure I want another one.

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>>43586170
Oh, I don't know how I forgot about 1d4. it's pretty good.
the lexicanum I've read a bit once or twice, but I usually just somehow ended up there somehow, not on purpose. Any particularly well done pages from either you can recommend?

Thanks, man.

>>43586137
If I take the Land Raider that would be at the cost of the Dreadnoughts, leaving me with only enough space four 4 scouts + sergeant though those guys are versatile they can scout about or come in the Land Raider with the Honor Guard. Also all foot slogging soldiers + Land Raider Crusaders does make a lot of sense for Black Templars.

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>>43582090

This thing has gotta be pretty damn old.

>>43583732
>Pinning helps, but Orks have none for some reason.
>
>I don't get why they don't have some kind of Super-shoota Mek Gun with pinning on it, that would be ace.

Lobbas have Pinning and are dirt cheap. 54 points gets you 3 Str 5 Ap5 small blasts at 48" that don't need LoS and cause pinning. They're...

Hold up a sec.

When the fuck did Barrage weapons lose Pinning?

Well we still have Dakkajets at least

They lost pinning too.

What.
The.
Fuck.

Well, today I learned something new. And that I've been playing my Lobbas and Dakkajets wrong.

>>43583331

Buggies, Bikes, Zhadsnark, Deffkoptas. Some Tankbustas in Trukks would be good too.

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>>43585343

Well it has a bit of a precedent in the real world.

>>43585343
What's wrong with sponsons necessarily? Most modern APCs have something like them you know (little spaces or holes on the side of the vehicle for guys to shoot out the side.)

>>43586222
Nothing I'd really recommend. Lexicanum's angle is that it's like an encyclopedia; really comprehensive but better suited to picking up when you want to find out more about one specific thing.

Actually, there is one more thing. http://advancedtautactica.com/ is literally the best single-race 40k forum that I've found. The mods are top tier and there's loads of excellent user-generated articles about anything from lore to tactics. Your mileage will vary depending on how much you like blueskins, but given that they've been pretty prominant lately it's at least worth a look.

>>43586644
I can't speak for the other anons but sponsons are a bit meh on the tabletop. Since most vehicles can only fire at one target and sponsons have a very limited arc of fire, you'll usually end up in the situation where not all your guns can fire. It's a bit annoying when you pay out the nose for some of them.

>>43586155
You sound like a real annoying fucker to be around.

>>43586734
Oh. Didn't realize that, don't use any vehicles with sponson mounts. Will keep in mind.

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>>43585343
Back in the 20's it was actually considered the future of tank design as 'land battleships'. The Soviets, French, Germans, Americans, and British all experimented with designs, and some countries even produced them in number. The T35, pictured here, actually saw combat in the early years of WWII, where as expected, it was utter shit. Lessons learned from this tank were what led to the KV1 and 2, tanks that were rightly feared by the Germans in the opening months of Barbarossa

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I just ordered some CSMs as allies for my Orks. I love my boyz, but as >>43586155 pointed out Ork fluff is pretty shallow so I'm branching out to my ally of convenience.

I want to fluff my traitor marines as Night Lords led by a Sorc who have broken off from a larger warband. The larger warband was getting too into chaos and the Sorcerer, being more familiar with the nature of the warp, and sharing Kurze's dislike or daemons wants nothing to do with it. The warband claims they are merely using Chaos as a tool and are not slaves to it blah, blah, blah. Sorc says you guys are fucking dumb, I'm gonna go destabilize the Imperium my own way without getting my soul raped by daemons and he leaves. Sorc decides that manipulating xenos is a safer bet that manipulating daemons and seeks out a nearby warboss to try and stir up some trouble for the sector.

What do you think? How retarded is it to have a sorcerer who isn't into chaos?

>>43586966
Why? my dislike of certain factions or my obsession with lore? I don't really see how that means I'm an annoying fucker.
I'm actually quite mild. I'm just running on lack of sleep.

>>43587082
Workable- but remember Chaos has its own views on its toys and even the Night Lords aren't going to be able to avoid some corruption.

>>43587082
There are a decent amount of 'chaos' characters like that and they usually turn out to be the more interesting characters. The dark gods are usually laughing at them behind their backs for their 'chaos but not really' act and treat them like anyone else.

>>43578967
>would be fun as hell
Knights, wraithknights, riptide spam.

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>>43587107
Mostly just your word choice. I'm sure you're actually a great guy in person though.

>>43587147
Oh. yeah, I don't know what exactly is up with my vocabulary. it's just a mess.

>>43587124
>>43587131
Yeah I figure this guy eventually would get screwed on two fronts. Not only by chaos but also by getting in too deep with the Orks and underestimating the kunnin' of a warboss.

Mostly I just want to paint something different and actually do something during psychic phase for once.

Ok im pretty sure this guy's an idiot. Please tell me Im not alone in thinking he's an idiot.

http://www.warhammer-tau.com/2015/11/shield-drones-rule-update.html

>>43587251
>shield drone doesn't actually have a shield
That's evil overlord/video game boss level stupid right there.
The fact that you're only "pretty sure" is the real travesty here.

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>>43587251
Wow. I made the mistake of reading the comments.

>>43585591
The easiest way to field a single squad of them is actually the raven hawk assault group from kauyon supplement: 1 sternguard squad, 1 stormraven, 1 dreadnought

>>43587264
>The fact that you're only "pretty sure" is the real travesty here.
Ill take that. Sometimes even things that make sense dont make sense to me, i just need to be righted every once in a while.

Im relieved that this guy is a moron, because I thought that only the drone has the shield and doesnt confer it to the whole unit. This is terrible rules lawyering

>>43587251
He's arguing semantics, the shield generator could confer a save to the drone carrying it as both of them are singled out as different entities in that sentence.

What do you rules in the tau book say?

>>43587389
an invul save does not confer to a unit. if i get a crisis squad and buy a shield generator for one suit, the rest of the suits dont automatically have the 4++, only the suit that bought it.

his retard logic says since drones are treated as wargear, then the entire unit is treated to as having the wargear of the drone.

his whole point was to point out how much of a waste the guardian drone is because the shield drone would do its job better

when in reality the guardian drone specifically says the while it is alive, the entire unit it is with has a 6++ (becoming a 5++ for breachers because they have the wargear for it). Shield drones just say they have a 4++

I actually like shield drones. I will put a couple in a crisis squad and make sure wherever they go, they are in the way of the s8+ ap3- guns. A smart tau player knows how to utilize shield drones properly and not stress as they die to fucking bolter fire.

>>43581715
>>43581760
Must be a BA update due to the fact BA don't even have A4 base Dreads, Centurions, Grav Devs or Squadron Bonuses.

>>43587441
Whoa how is a dreasd with a lot of attacks even fluffy for BA at all. Get real.

>>43587461
I dunno if this is sarcasm or not. But DA and Vanilla Dreads are A4 base. Space Wolves, BA and GK's are A2.

>>43587461
Are you somehow, legitimately, retarded?

>>43582206

Yeah, but isn't he a head shorter than most other marines these days?

>>43587461

BA have a clutch of close combat dreads which all suffer from a piddling number of attacks. A couple more might make them playable, but as it is you just can't justify dropping the points on them. I wouldn't hold out much hope though, the most we're likely to see is some kind of update to give them a decurion.

>>43587502
>>43587546

Why would BA or SW want melee dreads with A4? I can see why vanilla and DA get it desu.

I fucked up and made my leman russ in to a fully kitted out vanquisher with lascannons and multimeltas when I should have made something with a template, what do I do now? If I bought another tank I wouldn't be able to afford a vendetta.

>>43587558
Maximum. Trolling.

>>43587558
>>43587571
This is what /tg/ has become.

>>43587568
Take the stuff off? You could probably melt the glue then pull it off.

Then pin, or, if lazy, use blue-tack or whatever Americans call it to stick whatever weapon loadout you want.

>>43587551
He's skinnier but his size difference is negligible to the point of meaninglessness.

>>43587551
I figure BA will get one or two named characters and some formations similar to what RG got. I don't see them changing statlines for existing models though. :/

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>>43584705
I sure hope not. I'd be pretty disappointed if Dante died without fulfilling that prophecy about a golden defending the Emperor in the end times.

>>43587648
*golden warrior

>>43587251
He's not an idiot...HE'S BATSHIT INSANE!

>>43587589
Melt it? how? what temperature does the glue melt as compared to the plastic?

>>43587428
Exactly, just because the shield drone doesn't confer the invul doesn't mean that it is useless. Just put the drones between the rest of your units and the enemy and watch out for precision shot.

>>43587648
Yeah. That's not Dante. It's Sanguinius. Sanguinius will stand before the Emperor against the Hordes of Chaos.

Time of Ending, I'm betting you, will bring the Primarchs back, so FW can sell more.

>>43587670
Heat up a kettle, the steam coming out of the kettle will be enough to weaken the glue, but not melt the plastic.

or it should be. Been a long time since I've done it. Fun Fact, it's also a way of opening letters without people knowing.

>>43586499
When did dakkajets have pinning?

>>43584906
>cliff racers
>more like harpies with a bad attitude

>>43584667
No, because Dante has recalled every single successor Chapter back to defend Baal from a spitroasting from Chaos and Nids.

Only ones who've not replied are Lamenters.

I do thing some BA Successor Chapter Elements are going to fight Tau thou. Sanguinators or something I think.

>>43586155
>>43587082
Ork fluff isn't so shallow, it's just GW hasn't properly represented it in a while. They're an alien species that has inbuilt economy, society, etc. which by itself is pretty interesting, but it's also one which has been shown to be able to be derailed in a bunch of interesting ways. Obviously WAAAGH is a key element, but saying that's all there is is like saying that Space Marines are "Muh Primarch" or Night Lords are just "Boo! Terror attack!"

>>43587082
I like the manipulating Xenos thing. I feel like exploring what that would do to the Orks as well as the Marines would be interesting. Obviously the Orks would have access to more (potentially tainted) wargear, but depending on the clan that could go different ways. The orks not having a very good grasp of the concept of allies (the closest concept "Grod" more closely translates to "Favourite Enemy") and the orkish reaction to a threat means that the diplomacy would have to be undertaken in a distinctly un-nightlord fashion.

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Now that Ion Cyclic Ion Blaster and the Airbursting Fragmentation Projector are no longer limited to 1 by detachment (can't be Twinlinked, though), and you can have bigger Crisis squads, what new configurations do you will appear or become popular?

>>43587762
Double airbursts are pretty fun for the sheer amounts of cover-ignoring barrage large blasts you can drop. Sure, it's pretty low s, but you can still use it against hordes or to snipe enemy special weapons. Not sure if a while unit of them is practical, but they do seem like the'd make a good chose for a solo or small suit teams to harass enemy infantry.

The iones are effectively missile pods that cut the range in half for an extra shot and the ability to also do a s8 small blast. On deep-striking suits where range isn't an issue they'll probably be superior to missiles, although missilesuits still have the role of being able to shoot at enemies from a fairly long distance.

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>>43587714

When they first came out

>>43587762
I've now got a unit of 3 with a burst cannon and AFP each, they're for clearing hordes. They work out a little cheaper than double-AFP suits and with str 5 shots can do a little bit of light vehicle hunting.

As >>43587788 points out, CIBs are effectively half-range missile pods with an extra shot, which makes them a better choice if you know you won't be using the extra range.

My recommendation would be if they're starting on the board, the Crisis suits should have MPs, but if they're deep striking (eg. in the Retaliation Cadre) give them CIBs.

This is as long as you can source the bits - as far as I know the CIB only comes in the new Commander kit, and the AFP only comes in the same kit and the Stormsurge kit.

>>43587762
>more AFP's
>no more multitracker

Being able to fir both would be pretty broken. Im still kind of new but I been playing with breachers with guardian on devilfish with ethereal with homing beacon while putting a commander crisis in deepstrike togive my guys and extra S6AP3 bullet and reroll misses and fuck those goddamn jinky ass motherfuckers up the ass.

>>43587806
Awww, that would've been cool to keep.

Orks just can't have nice things.

>>43587818

I'd settle for just having the old WAAAGHplane rule back, so I was vomiting out 18 shots when I called the WAAAGH.

My poor Dakkajet. He's been shelved ever since the 7th ed update.

>>43587815
>no more multitracker
Wat?

>>43587815

But multi-trackers are still in. The only way to twinlink an AFP or CIB is to use the Command and Control Node.

Is there any slot for Lords of War in the organization chart? Can you deploy them as part of formations?

>>43588045

>The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth
>£115, €150, $185

You'd better have pre-ordered.

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>>43588045

>>43588045
Ah I see so they are just generic new models.

I agree with the other anon, Dante badly needs a new model. It's bad when your own bodyguard look better than you.

>>43588045
>astra leman russ tech command

i wonder... nah, it's probably not.

>>43588018
page 122 and yes if the formation includes a lord of war, most don't

Which book has the lost and the damned formation where you can field endless hordes of fanatics?

I think some of the rules were named "Drown them in bodies" and "Until the guns are dry" if that helps.

Recently got my hands on 80+ cultists and I'm looking for ideas on how to use them.

>>43589008
Imperial armour - The siege of Vraks

>>43578206
My man! just bought the seige of vraks book, and I'm working on that same setup. Grabbed some earthshakers/thudd guns and lasers are on the way. An aegis is pretty much mandatory for this list, but the overall imperial strongpoint network works really well too, place your command squad on top of the imperial strongpoint building, and grab a pair of aegis and you'll have one hell of a gunline. A few squads will chem flamers protecting your arty helps deter deepstrinking/assualt. and maybe even throw in a skyshield in the fortification for one arty squad with a 4++ and near impossible to assault.

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>>43588045
>Nobody's posted the sweet plastic techpriest yet.
Shameful display. Slightly unfortunate you can only get him with a tank, although having more tanks isn't really a problem for guard players.

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>>43589233

That is a really cool model, looks much more impressive than the last 2 IG techpriests

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>>43588071
Wait, what the fuck. They're putting the price up by £20? That's ridiculous.

>>43589325

delete this

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>>43589342
No.

>>43589041

Neat, thanks.


One question though, in the OP there's four SoV books, is one more up to date then the others?

>>43589360
>diversity
>nids
Ha. GW clearly don't know their own army.

Or maybe it is just false advertising. Not sure which one is more likely

>>43589233
I bet it's just a limited run "throw these shits together to squeeze extra monies out of people" type of deal before the priest comes as its own blister. Possibly with servitors? Or maybe there's a separate kit for the priest leading servitors and this is a "lord" techpriest as a separate model/unit.

7e Guard codex in the horizon?

>>43589303
>doesn't like the metal priests

Wrong opinions will not be tolerated.

>>43589392

Nids are meant to be diverse.

I mean, they haven't been since they took away 3rd edition's build-a-nid-workshop codex section, but they're meant to be.

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So my first model is coming along and I don't know how many colours I need for the banner.

I think I am going to do the weapons (and sword icons) in leadbelcher with some dry brushed Mithril Silver.

I picked up Nulin Oil and Aggrax Earthshade for my washes since that seems to be what everyone uses.

Which areas would take which wash?

Darker colours get oil and lighter earthshade?

>inb4 Viking and Cadburry paint job like the WiP thread

>>43588045
Characters for $53 dollars Australian!!
I don't even play Infinity but a 6 person warband in metal is less!


Most characters are between $22 and $30 Australia. The one outlier is the Magos who is fuckhuge and is $60.

I think I might have to call it quits on GW soon, because these prices have become pathetic.

Is this this to subsidise the utter failure that is Age of Sigmar?