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The Spoils are a GO!

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>>43487209

>>43487209

From the same guy who complained about all the Sports Hopper ads. I love it!

>>43486812
here's the starting point for the spoilers in the last thread

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>>43487224

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>>43487255

>>43487255
Shaper Security Testing. But at 3 cost seems a bit harsh honestly.

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>>43487293

>>43487293
Hahahaha, yes, just this afternoon I was thinking that I needed something like this.

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>>43487309

>>43487209

Three seems kinda over costed for that to me.

>>43487255

Ohhh... Shaper SecTest.Three cost seems a bit though, but then with Carrer Fair being a thing....

>>43487224

Ok, that one is potentially brutal.

>>43487293

Too bad it' purge-able, but given how easy it is to install, that's probably for the better.

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>>43487343

>>43487309
Welll it is a way to delay the game to a win. Put also mean Hellium deposit has a use.

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>>43487379

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>>43487401

>>43487379
Spinning that Dharmatic wheel

>>43487293
Cyber-Graffiti?
Clearly this justifies better defences/putting the local area under corporate control

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>>43487428

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This is all I have so far outside of the Draft Corp IDs.

>>43487309
>>43487343

Holy shit at those two. Well, people who were saying Crim needed a new power card, I think you've been heard.

>>43487379

Multi-access replacement for future rotation I gather.

>>43487401

Loving this from a design standpoint.

>>43487428

I... WHAT ?

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>>43487489

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>>43487509

>>43487428
THe power of a god to smite down the unbelievers. But at the cost of using one of his forms.

>>43487493
>>43487428
Fuck that's strong with Lady/anything 0 cost/ Technical Writer/ running cards that pay for install

At least it makes drawing suck a little, I guess?

>>43487493
I don't know if that's the criminal power card they are looking for. It gives the runner 3 turns to win, but it's not the kind of card Andromeda would play in her first turn.

>>43487255
Patron + Masanori = click for three cards

>>43487589

Da Vinci seems like a natural fit to me.

>>43487362
The hopper is probably fine. 3 cards for 3 credits nets you 0. Plus the click to install is like Globalsec.
I think it can replace Plascrete for link runners, specially Nero.

>>43487592
It is a nice counter to FA decks when they are closing in on the end game.
Just lock out the win and let those agendas pile up in HQ.

>>43487592
You only get one in your deck ANdy can hold it.

>>43487648
>>43487644
Yeah, yeah, what I mean is that it's not a WIN MORE card.

>>43487592

Corp can't win from agenda, Runner has three turns to win.

Can't lose from damage.

For a last glory runs turns, that's just brutal.

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>>43487233
Posting these

This seems cool, very Weyland. I would feel okay about getting a runner to waste a parasite on it

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>>43487796
Jinteki's Negotiator.

Chum makes it deadly though

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>>43487818
Harvester? More like Mill

I'm sorry, that's a terrible joke

>>43487796

I'm liking it all the more that you can rez it for free too with Surat City Grid.

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>>43487838
Yeah, that stuck out to me too

Speaking of that.

I think you can turn an entire server on with this.
Extra points for using Executive Boot Camp to rez the first one

Soraya Suresh (well, his division + his cards) vs Fisk really seems like something I'm going to enjoy to amke as decks made to be played against each other. Both thematically and mechanically.

These looks like taken from a single draft pack.
Draft packs contain 40 cards each.
We've seen roughtly 10 from each side, which means 30 are non-mumbad cards per faction.
I'm just guessing here but if somebody else opens another draft pack we'll probably see 10 new spoilers.

>>43487401
Cards that are now equal in value to an ice wall: archer, heindall, enigma, literally ANY card with an "end the run " subroutine is now an ice wall until the runner decides he has to get through

And little engine is "I click for shittons of

>>43487932
Credits

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>>43487905
A nasty, nasty bioroid, with an actual decent sized trace for once.
Scary motherfucker.

>>43487932

My understanding is that, you chose the order in which subroutines will fire, but they still all fire.

Just because the run hasn't been ended doesn't mean you don't lose your two programs from those Archer trashing subroutines.

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>>43488000
Haas continue to be Germanic

>>43487932
>>43488016

My bad, I got what you were saying. You can just take the ETR and prevent the rest.

>>43488060
Yeah once you want to get through they're still annoying as hell but otherwise "I end the run"

Like almost every bioroid is hurt by this

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>>43488037
Paper wall that sticks around - not sure if that's power creep, given that the trash will save you money on the install

>>43488000
Stronger Together is playable at last!

>>43488170
You can trash any number of ICE when you install a new one, so no, it doesn't save you money. It's straight up power creep.

>>43488170

But again, as said previous thread, you can always trash on install, so that supposed econ advantage is moot.

Another anon mentioned Paper Wall+ Knight, and has someone that's been on the receiving end of that often, yeah, that was bothersome.

>>43488153

As I said, I love it from a design standpoint. I cannot fathom WHY they thought only one influence was a good idea.

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>>43488187
Yeah, that's actually petty scary

It is a tracer though, Gingerbread meta yet?

Speaking of tracers, I think this is the last spoiler revealed so far, other than the draft IDs

>>43488187
It is also in Khala Ghoda so that might mean we get some new stuff like more bioroids.
Or even better more tricks from them like adding subs. or increasing cost to break with clicks.

>>43487836

So at first glance this card seems pretty bad - allowing runners to get the key cards they need. But there's also Palana Foods (the first time EACH TURN the runner draws a card, gain 1 credit). I'm thinking Improved Protein Source (the 4/3) will have some disadvantage for the corp - something like "when the Runner's turn begins, they draw a card". This synergizes with Palana's ability, and Harvester would be helpful too. Maybe this archtype is meant to pressure the runner and break up their combo pieces?

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>>43488234
Because giving everyone anarch goodies has worked so so well in the past, clearly

>>43488201
Paper wall is 1 str, so technically not, though in most situations that doesn't actually make a difference.

>>43488244
This seems fairly good with Making News trace decks.

Spend 6 Credits resing them all when a Trace is going to fire and make a 3 credit swing plus the trace effect.

NBN is starting to have too many good Trace support cards.

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>>43488246
Clearly you run it in Cybernetics Division

>>43488264

>>43488286
>NBN is starting to have too many good Trace support cards.

Even so, after years of traces no being played (well except out of local meta), I welcome the change.

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>>43488286
Seeing as how damn rare tracers actually working was before D&D I can't say I'm too sad.

I'm a bit sad NBN gets tons of other cool shit, but I'm happy about the tracers at least

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Speaking of tracers, this thing.

Key words here being "each of those cards"

At base 5 that's just mean - hope you're not holding any Lucky Finds

NBN's never-ending stream of good stuff continues

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Midway grid, twice. At least it's only strength 4

>>43488381
This as a opening ICE for Making News can be damn near game Winning.
Trace 7 trash anything that costs less then that in hand.
Also revealing Grip for other targeted kill effects we know NBN is getting.

>>43488381
>>43488462
NBN's Komainu.

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HYPE!

>>43488510
This really needed to be name "IT Closet".

>>43487537
Why did this have to be draft format only? This is what BABW should have been in the first place.

>>43488234
>I cannot fathom WHY they thought only one influence was a good idea.
Because even after all this time, they don't understand their own fucking influence system, preferring to use 5 influence cards not as a balancing factor, but for goddamn flavour reasons.

>>43488542

Infinite influence and a limiting condition that is all but sure to be met out of draft format ? Overkill.

(I know what you meant, I'm still not convinced that wouldn't have been too powerful... we've been trying alternate abilities for that ID, I must say I quite liked making it a recurring credit for advancing cards, period - though it's probably still way too strong if you ask me).

>>43488605
Why is it only one influence because it is a new silver bullet. That will cost influence. Meaning the more silver bullets you add to gun the less you are going to be effective.
Sure you can stop those problems but is it effective all the time? I do not think so.
It means we end up in this beautiful rock paper scissors type place.

>>43488651
It's not the credit economy that Weyland needs help with. it already makes mad duckets out the ass and even did so way back in the day. It's the click economy it needs help with. BABW should have been something like this:

>The first time you advance a piece of ice each turn (not through a card ability), gain a click.

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>>43488651
Pretty sure he just meant the ability

It's just on the line of too OP for normal play, but then the other draft ID's are at least as good, if not better - HB is, certainly, NBN is really good and Jinteki is probably about the same level as Fringe Applications (who were mentioned on pic related), given that it really depends on the rest of your deck

>>43488510
Where'd you see this one?

>>43488921
It's mine, I just drafted it.

>>43488833

As I said, I understood (we've had this conversation several time already).

Post was just for the stupid joke.That being said, I'd rather it would have been:

>when your turn begins, you may pay one credit to put an advancement token on a piece of ICE that can be advanced.

Just to prevent any potential interaction with click gain cards down the line.

Even then, however limited, I don't know that I like a four click turn corp.

>>43488510
Now this is a jackson replacement

>>43489051
How does that replace Jackson. It is H&Q to RnD.

>>43488984
Please post others after the game, if you get any that haven't come up

>>43489085
gets rid of agenda flood.

>>43489033
You do realise that this is basically the exact same ability, right?

>>43487309
Helium-3 Deposit was printed to deal with this card in Weyland FA decks.

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>>43488510
If this is ever installed in HQ will it actually go off, or will the runner just access HQ cards first?

I guess it can bury cards the runner has seen but not stolen/trashed (so good in Haarpsichord)

>>43489272
Close, but not the same - consider Jeeves, if you triple advance ice you now have 2 extra clicks, not 1

>>43489345
The runner decides the order of accessing.

>>43489345
And you can only call that out now with the power of foresight. This wasn't even an idea in a designer's head back during Genesis.

>>43489530
Right.

Not sure I can think of any situations where you'd want to hit an unrezzed upgrade first, but at least it works when uninstalled but in HQ as well - could be funny, if the runner has multiaccess but your entire hand disappears before they hit the rest of it (or worse, disappears except for traps)

>>43489345
it doesn't need to be installed though. you can just keep it in hq and pray he chooses it before your agendas.

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>>43489616
True, but there has to be a reason they went with what they did.

Though, as with some other things, that reason may well be "because they were kind of retarded"

hey FFG listen to this

Stress Test, cost 0
Operation
Install Stress Test as a hosted condition counter on a piece of ice. Host ice gains "This card cannot be trashed."
Weyland, 3 inf

No need to thank me.

>>43489753
>This card has been designed by the winner of worlds 2015, Anon

>>43489753
OP, hell, it's OP as fuck. Play it on a Trap, infinite traps. AND FOR 0 COST. Jesus fucking christ.

>>43489848
Oh shit.
That Data Mine will continue to do a single damage forever. :O

>>43489753
Insanely broken. Mix that with Patch and you can make a unbreakable monster.

>>43489868
like when you sub boost Architect?

>>43489865
Forget DataMine. Howler, Lab Dog, UCF behind a Data Raven.

>>43489865
yall niggers don't even see my cunning 3x universal connectivity fee plans

>>43489894
That's always funny

>>43489868
No, it's OP when you put it on an Oversighted Curtain Wall

For non-OP-ness I'd add:
A cost
"rezzed piece of ice"
"with no condition counters"
and possibly make it unique - probably have some flavour text about it being the designer's baby/pet project

>>43489848
>>43489910
>>43489921
Ever heard of AI breakers? If the corp wants to do a two card combo to keep an ice around that costs 1 credits to break, sure.

The only thing the card needs is it should state it can only be played on REZZED pieces of ice.

>>43490009
I'd say "a rezzed piece of ice with no condition counters" because OAI is a thing

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>>43490009
Recently we see more runners playing AI, mostly anarchs though. Criminals and Shapers still git fug over traps.

>>43489616

And that's because I wanted to show a bit of foresight that I proposed the revision, *because* mentioning that extra-click would open interactions with cards that I thought should rather stay closed.

I didn't even have Jeeves in mind.

>>43490228
Insider please. What happened with your ruse on the L5R LCG?

>>43490228
So you'd rather we get unplayable trash?

>>43490032
I disagree you guys. If it says rezzed ice then it doesn't do anything. (without exec bootcamp or something) If you sissyfaggots MUST have a clause, let it be "install on a piece of ice with 5 or less strength," although I don't really think OAI is a problem. Stress Test will get trashed as well when Blue Sun (the only OAI deck) pulls the curtain walls back, anyway. It's an operation so you can't Interns it. Would you be using your Howard shuffles on it instead of OAI?

Although if you want a parasite hatecard that doesn't do anything else, how about:

Runtime Protection, cost 0
Operation
Install Runtime Protection on a piece of ice as a hosted condition counter. Host ice gains "This card cannot host programs."
Weyland, loads of inf

why the fuck are people talking about made up cards when a hand full of real ones just got dumped

>>43490280
>If it says rezzed ice then it doesn't do anything
It can stop anything except an insta-parasite, which is pretty huge

Runtime is a bit better - it only hits the most common way of trashing ice, which is pretty fair, but it's not just anti-parasite, as it also hits Caïssa

>>43490351
talk about the real ones you massive faggot

>>43490256

I don't see how keeping that particular click-related design space open while giving quoth that anon " basically the exact same ability" is making one use " unplayable trash".

Hopefully you're trolling.

>>43490249

If I was Insider, I'd claim this was a new upcoming card not propose an imaginary amendment of an imaginary revision.

>>43490401
caissa can go FUCK itself.

and instant parasite is exactly the shit I'm trying to make a counterplay for that isn't Interns'ing a cyberdex every fucking turn. what would you do?

>>43490032
You do realise that OAI + that stress test is a corp version of test run scavenge, but without the tutor aspect?
I don't even think it would be that broken actually. As long as Stress Test is high influence.

>>43490427

Blacklist.

>>43490455
I think it should be. Having giant obvious unbreakable ETR ice is Weyland's thing thematically too.

>>43490461
yeah weyland is amazing at defending remotes right

c'mon dude

>>43489753
I've always wanted a card like:
Operation
Trash all programes that are hosted on ice

>>43490500

Out of the 4 corps, what corps do it better according to you ?

>>43490542
HB>>>Jin>>>>>Wey>NBN

>>43490584
not op but

>>43490542
Jinteki cuz traps. HB cuz Encryption Protocols, Ronald Five, cheap taxing ice. NBN cuz NEH exists.

All of them desu.

>>43490455
I don't know, it still feels a bit OP, but I can't say that I'd mind too much

>>43490427
Probably "can't be trashed" with a few restrictions.
Possibly "can't be uninstalled" to make the ice a bit annoying for the corp as well as the runner

But Caïssa is cool

>>43490351
Fuck you, but speaking of real ones: >>43487293 seems interesting - nice slow the corp down a touch, but not useful in some matchups (don't use it against Weyland unless they're literally about to win in a way this will prevent)

>>43490504

I don't know that I agree with you. I'll grant you HB first - in spite of the Bioroids, I think it does on average do a better job than the other corps on that front - and NBN last, again on average, porous servers being its main game.

I'm not sure it's clear cut between Jinteki and Weyland.

>>43490760
>I'm not sure it's clear cut between Jinteki and Weyland.
Caprice makes the cut for me.

>>43490649
>don't use it against Weyland unless they're literally about to win in a way this will prevent

Since it's not adding a -1 agenda, but making a scored agenda worth one less point, does it really change that much for Weyland ?

>>43490802

If you wan t to use your Caprice on random remotes instead of scoring ones, be my guest.

m-me too

Cyberdex Enterprise Version, 4 to rez
Asset
Whenever the Corp purges virus counters, trash all virus programs.
Neutral, trash for 1.

>>43490802
Wait what, are you using caprice to defend blacklist? I guess you could.

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>>43487209
Loving the paired flavour text

The sports hopper isn't amazing, but could be useful in a SEA Scorch situation - 1 more link for the trace, then 3 more cards in hand.
I guess with how much they're pushing traces link may become something people look for more, though "draw 3" vs +1 MU will be an interesting call.

Will also be useful in Traffic Accidents


ACH is nice - Haas only really have one good 4/2 (pic NOT related), but this is good - it helps you when the runner plays normally (especially one run per turn runners like kit) and it also breaks R&D locks somewhat (particularly Sunny's)

>>43490818
misread it completely, thought it was "add to the corp's score area as an agenda worth -1 point"

Yeah, seems a lot better now

>>43490920
I did against MaxX.

>>43490936

Yeah, the flavor text is nice.

Can't get that Underway Renovation deck going.

I can see there's basically a Gagarin or an Argus version of it, but I can't for the life of me put the pieces together in a version that won't feel like it's been averaged out.

Too bad, as I love the idea of that deck.

Hey, if any one in this thread participated in the draft can you post decklist?
Barring posting deck list tell us some non Mumbad cards in the set?

>>43491184
What's the idea? Lock down a server and start advancing Underway Renovation until the runner is all out of stack. Batty + Rototurret to defend it.

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Forgot this one - clearly Reina's virus (though I can see Noise liking it, the asshole)

>>43488499
Except it's strength 5 not 1.

>>43491283
Hell I like in crim as force HB to go side ways to get that credit.

>>43488816
>It means we end up in this beautiful rock paper scissors type place.
>games being decided by the decks and not by the gameplay
>beautiful
I've always liked about netrunner that you play your deck and not your deck plays you. I don't want it to turn into magic.

>>43491397
It's also a code gate. The point is that both are the only pieces of ICE that can wipe the runner's grip. Hence, NBN flavoured Komainu.

>>43491245

Underway + Housekeeping to get cards in the heap, Reversed account or Lateral shenanigans to wear down the econ; then using Student Loan to keep the runner out of reach of its burst econ long enough to score a bigger agenda (or Blacklist to prevent needed recursion).

I love the idea of it. The corp being aggressive and going after the runner, grinding his/her resources.

Just too many moving parts. And I can 't find the right balance.

Really enjoyed Casting call + Underway naked on the table in Argus.

>>43491283

Yeah, can't wait to go back to Reina and try that. Been one month since last I played her, longest I've ever not played her since release. I miss her.

>>43491429
That is a nice touch

>>43491458
To be fair, in netrunner silver bullet counterplay stuff is very much a "how you play your deck" thing, as it means you have to be much more reactive and flexible - that sort of deck will not play itself, and will quite often be weak at taking a specific strategy to win, unlike some of the very focused mono-strat decks that appear sometimes

>>43487428
I like how he gets that non-virus clause specifically because of Noise

>>43490936
Your Plascretes now save your ass from Jinteki and also give link until popped. What's not to love?

>>43491804
specially because cache

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>>43491804
>specifically because of Noise

>>43487379
badly needed influence free multiaccess for apex. note that stacking counters is not dependent on successful run, and as such you can bash your head into ETR subs for them.

too bad it's unique.

>>43492707
>you don't need a successful run
Wait really? That's pretty awesome.
>it's unitque
What, fuck, it is.
I guess you can endless hunger it as Apex.

Wait wow.
You can run on R&D 50 times, then access 26 cards, that's pretty incredible.
Give me dat Hyperdriver.
Jesus you can run run on HQ a bunch of times and then presure R&D. This card is so strong, it's R&D and HQ presure both at once.

How is this good for both R&D AND HQ and also no inflluence.
Wait, is it 1 neutral influence? I hope so.

>>43492939
>>43492939
the guy who took the photo has parkinson's or something,but it looks like 0 inf to me.

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>>43493093
Looks like one bip to me.

>>43493162
i guess. still better for neutral runners than RD/HQ interfaces. or the run events imo.

>>43493583
>unique
runner helium-3 deposit that affects multiple cards confirmed

>>43493583
All-Nighter on demand.

>>43493695
Got to love all this power creep. Game dead?

>>43494151
costs 2 :^)

>>43494257
Also, doesn't stack. Temple hippie is actually closer to Josh B.

>>43492939
Foxfire baby

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>>43494630
There's a fair number of good virtuals now, I could see it starting to see play

>>43493583
Well, looks like Miss Mills will need to clean out these vagabonds. Who care if it is a religious site and people dislike us.

>>43494957
You could always buy the town and knock it down too - just like those pawnshops

>>43495380
Precisely, my point.

>>43487428
1) this reminds me of Crypsis. But it's better, right?
2) This guy and Harbinger is a combo, right?

>>43487452
I want to surprise the hell out of a Corp player with this card.

>>43496165
Totally a combo so is inti plus this.

>>43487428
Brahman + David = disgusting.

>>43498101
Brahman + David + John Masanori so you can draw back the David.

>>43494812
Continues to get stronger, but this is going to be crazy valued when the new Shaper virtual resource comes out.

>>43498887
>the new Shaper virtual resource
Which one is that?

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Better pic of patron - looks like giraffes aren't the only mini animals Jinteki make

>>43498991
Thank you anon

>>43487401

OH. MY. GOD.

>>43487818

str 3 sentry, with a downside. nah.

>>43499169
It's okay, but very much like Negotiator in having neat subs that will inevitably get ignored by mimic - hence the filename.

Chum (on the rare occasions it fires and the runner continues) makes it strength 5 and makes it kill if the runner fails the psi, so that's quite nice

Fucking mimic

>>43499169
2 subs, 4 credits, with a better payoff than Neural Katana. I see it.

>>43499159
>>43487401
It seems nice, but there aren't many ice in common use where this would have any kind of impact. You can facecheck Enigmas without losing a click... at the cost of two clicks up front. Architect becomes a teeny bit worse. That's about it.

>>43499280

Archer, Heimdall, Viktor, Rototurret, Fenris, all grail ice, Caduceus.

>>43499280
That's about it? Really? You're not paying attention if you think that's about it.
You can facecheck anything with an ETR and block the rest of effects. Grail? Rototurret? Archer? Little Engine? Heimdall? All pointless now that you can turn the ice around.

>>43499321

Not pointless, they're still a tax, as noted upthread.

But yeah, it's an incredible tool for professional face-checkers.

>>43499404
Well, pointless in the sense that facechecking won't hurt, since these kind of ICE is supposed to be punishing for facecheckers.

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Don't think I saw that one.

>>43499454
I like it.

>>43499465
I mean, I REALLY like it. The run doesn't need to be succesful, it just have to end.
Run Amok the scoring server. Corp rezzes Curtain Wall. ETR. Trash Curtain Wall.
Run it again, for just 3 credits, 3 influence. Run Amok is going to be in every anarch deck.

>>43499454
Oh that's nasty.
I like it.

More and more I'm seeing that rezzing ice outside of normal run times is becoming something that you might actually want to do

>>43499485

I like the threat of it. Corp will likely not rez on the run, and that will be it.

That's just an,other great piece to add in that DDOS/False Echo set up.

>>43499528

Giving it more thought: one the one hand, I'm liking that the set up + Street Magic is giving the corp reasons to go for cheap, one sub ICE and treat them like ambushes basically.
On the other, I'm not sure that's what the game needed right now.

Unrelated: if the guess about Panchatantra allowing you to add Barrier to a piece of ICE happens to be confirmed, then I can see Ankusa being a lot more brutal than could a first sight be expected.

>>43487932
I can't believe they nerfed Little Engine!

>>43499454
>run amok
>this one is organised
>organised amok

>>43499874
It only looks like they're running amok to the casual observer - clearly it's very focussed action, with quite a bit of prep going into it.
Anarchic misdirection at its finest

>>43500286
Green Level Clearance efficiency for installs instead of drawing. Also netting you 3 credits with core Weyland and core HB

>>43500286

Those ducks...

>>43500286
HB getting another good transaction there. Because the transaction faction doesn't really need another one, right?
And the flavour they went for with the art and text seems kinda off compared to the name and the effect - I could see the same card with a business theme that would make just as much sense, if not more.

Still, it's not a bad card, fairly decent click compression, and as >>43500315 says, it gains an extra credit in the IDs most likely to play it

>>43500389

Well, that totally didn't came out out of the blue now...

>>43500389
This is fantastic, I'm using "ningyo hime" in the filename to filter these posts.

>>43500286
Holy shit this is amazing.

>>43499308
>>43499321
Either you guys missed the "in common use" stipulation, have very different metas, or have a very different definition of what it means to be in common use.

>>43500389
Why are you bugging the netrunner thread about this? The NR community is the most pleasant, hygenic, positive, attractive, and inclusive /tg/ related community I've ever seen by two orders of magnitude.

Begone, troll.

>>43500500
>2015
>responding to a troll post
>with "Begone, troll"
ISHYGDDT

>>43500492
That might be it, because all cards mentioned are pretty much in common use. These are not obscure cards like Orion, Wall of Thorns, Uroboros, or Markus, which barely see any play.

>>43500657
I think the issue is that I divide cards into more categories than just "common use" and "barely see any play", and I would place a lot of the ice mentioned into the category between those two.

>>43490901
That seems overpowered and kills the noise

>>43487209
How cheap is that sports car or how much money does a runner make in a day? You can click 3 times for 3 creds and install the thing.

>>43501133
Yes! HB makes affordable hoppers for everyone!

>>43501029
That seems pretty odd since "common use" literally means "played frequently" in this context.

>>43500286
Why all the best transactions are HB and the transaction ID Weyland ?

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>>43501133
Clicks and credits are very variable, abstract things - for example a pre-paid voice pad (or, more likely, a lot of them) costs 2 credits (the same as Qianju PT), but that takes into account buying a load and taking the time to use them.

Looking at the general way things work in Netrunner, pic related's text I think it's fair to say that credits can represent a multitude of things, including just non-specific effort, as well as actual credit and the "UN-certified" ubiquitous "credit" currency, formally known as the Titan Transnational Trade Credit

Also I can't imagine many runners would buy their hoppers legally

>>43501411
Why is this card only 1 Inf. That thing is insanely powerful!

Get one out early with an HQ poke, No 1 ICE server is safe...

>>43501440
It can't trash ICE, you know that, right?

>>43501477
>Pay the rez cost of a rezzed card:
How can it not trash ICE?

>>43501510
Because it says "Trash Cost", not "Rez Cost"

>>43501533
Are you fucking blind or just dyslexic?

>>43501563
Are you? ICE doesn't have a trash cost. The trash cost of a card is the little number inside a bin at the bottom of assets and upgrades.

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>>43501668
I reckon he's confusing it with this guy, who does work by paying the rez cost
(but he doesn't trash, and doesn't work on ice either)

>>43501668
ICE DOES NOT NEED TRASH COST! IT SAYS FUCKING REZ COST YOU FUCKING JAY!

>>43501850
Now, son I am not to fond of your language there. Even if it is old-timey.

>>43501563
>>43501850
Nice bait.

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Welp nbn getting all the toys and all the power creep.

>>43502315
Agendas with Edge of World protecting them?

>>43502315
How the fuck is Worlds Plaza a card when they dare print this?

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>>43502315
New operation that is more balanced that that nbn asset.

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>>43502315
Hey guys, lets give Weyland a 5 influence card!
Oh yeah and then also give the same to NBN for 1 less influence. :^)

>>43502353
The runner can decide to access the agenda first and then trash the recstudio for ... 6 credits to avoid the brain damage.
Fucking NBN.

>>43502315
Oh fuck that. Holds agendas too.

Keep shitting on Weyland.

>>43502419
THANK GOD THAT IS 3 INF!

>>43502447
If they know what one is the Agenda and what one is the Ambush. It is amazing for NBN Never Advance.

>>43501229
And I don't consider those ice to be played frequently. It's just a question of where you draw the line. Pretty much no one plays Viktors, Heimdalls or Fenris out of faction, and they definitely aren't in every HB deck either. I just don't see Grail or Archer enough to deem it common. I have never seen Little Engine played. Caduceus is more of a borderline case. Almost no one pays influence for Caduceus anymore, and Weyland is far from the most popular faction, so I consider it uncommon.

>>43502447
Worlds is still nice since it lowers Rez Cost and has a base trash of 5.

It is better for loading a bunch of Econ assets behind one strong ICE then the NBN one is.

>>43502495
Custom Biotics, it's your time to shine as a kill deck!

>This year we're lucky to have some awesome guests at our World Championships: Shut Up & Sit Down and Team Covenant. Tonight around 9pm, after the competitive action concludes, we'll be interviewing Paul & Quinns of Shut Up & Sit Down on our Twitch channel, FFGLive. Tune in for wisdom, insights, and possibly even antics.

Oh boy can't wait to see that interview with Paul, a guy who doesn't even play card games!

King of Servers Team Tournament is live at twitch dot tv/anrprocircuit

>>43503460

Holy shit the Shut up & Sit Down shit is really happening?
IB: No White Men allowed at Game Nights.

>>43502544
as a Weyland player, I'd much rather have the RecStudio. I have plenty of money, I want certain things to be harder to trash.

Also keep in mind, actually using RecStudio automatically makes it have a trash cost of 6, so treat this as the 'base'

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>>43505114
I think my Stronger Together loving friend just came in his pants.

>>43505136
Holy shit this thing is amazing...
ST might really be playable with it. 3 credits for a 6 Str Code Gate that must be broken.

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>>43505163

>>43502447
You guys realize that the power creep here is not over World Plaza, but Oaktown Grid.

>>43505302
Hudson is good but no where as good as Etr/Brain Damage/Trashing Programs/anything you want.

>>43505136
A good day for Bioroids

>>43505114
What an unpleasant guy - and it's the corp being forced to trash too

>>43505136
>>43488000
This may be it. This may be what makes Stronger Together. Just in time too, there's only one cycle left before rotation. Another cheap Bioroid and cheaper replacement for Ichi 2.0. Between Eli, Victor, and Ravana, you can have 3 different cheap Bioroids, Marcus 1.0 fills in some gaps, and then there's Ichi 1.0, Heimdall and Victor 2.0 (which competes, sadly, with Ravana and Vikram at strength 6). Throw in a Mother Goddess and that's 15 ice if you take 2 of each, all 4 strength and above, with an average cost of 4.4 credits, less than 4 without Heimdall. That's a deck right there. And there aren't any marginal bioroids like Hudson, Zed, or Sherlock taking up space. With Brain Taping Warehouse, Howler to combat destruction and get some early plays, and maybe a Hudson and an additional Victor/Eli/Ravana/Marcus, you have a full glacier suite of taxing, must-break ice with no influence spent. And its all cheap to moderately priced and at parasite-resistant strength.

Sure you can do most of this is EtF. But with Anarchs making up most of the field, you'll love your big ol' robots.

>>43505342
You do realise that you can access the cards hosted on recstudio before accessing recstudio.

>>43501133
I don't know, but I love its interaction with Career Fair
>Dude where did you get that hopper from
>Jacked it from some executive who offered me a job

>>43505764
I dont see the interaction. Career Fair targets resources, Hopper is hardware. It should be Modded or The Supplier.

>>43501411
Yeah, you can see that corp side with Restructure. You're not really making that much more money, you're freeing up your capital to do more things. Dropping that department gave you the credits you need to launch your next couple projects, though you already had the money.

Also, how long do people think clicks are? I've heard people go as low as an hour, but I always guessed they were a day, maybe a little longer. Corp clicks are probably on a larger time scale, so my guess was always that each turn was about a week. Course that raises questions about why the runner takes a full day to drink a can of Diesel, but I always guessed that a lot of their time is taken up with stuff off screen. Eating and sleeping obviously, but there's also the low level maintenance of connections and hardware, getting basic info on what the corp did last turn, anything urgent went down with other runners, that kind of thing. Some of this takes low level hacking, not really a run but still time.

>>43506009
I think runner's clicks are about 4 hours each (sums up to 16 hours, which leaves 8hours for sleep).
Corp's Clicks are another story.

>>43506183
All Nighter lends support to the 4 hours a turn thing, it gives you two clicks, so 8 extra hours.

>>43506183
Corp Clicks are business hours of course

>>43502315

I must say I'm pretty disappointed.

I was expecting/hoping a variation of Namatoki Plaza to make it back to the Android version of Netrunner, but I was expecting it to land in Weyland.

Seeing this after the frustration of trying to make World Plaza work is really disheartening.

>>43506568
Don't worry, when Blue Sun finally rotates out Weyland can become a real faction again.

>>43506761
>Thinking this game will survive rotation
>Thinking it will even survive L5R

>>43505114

This I'm liking a lot.

Been working on some HQ-focused Anarch decks recently, and this could fit right there.

>>43507073
Wanton Destruction 1st click. Trash 3 cards from hand and top card of RnD!

>>43507103

Kim in second part of the game, when R&D is starting to get too protected and you relocate to HQ to threaten sensitive operations (+ Archive Interface if/when needed).

>>43506354
I imagine corporate clicks are more like a measure of man-hours than time directly, since hiring a bunch of robots gets you an extra click (Biotic Labor.)

>>43507273
I always saw it as shifts. 1st, 2nt, and 3rd shift then things like Biotic Labor allows for extra work to be crammed into those shifts.

It's why most things get done on 3rd shift, that is where all the real workers are.

>>43504121
I gotta say, that huge d20 is the most ugly, unwieldy and tacky thing I've ever seen in a Netrunner table. And the die on top of the tag? DISGUSTING.

>>43507273
The issue with runner turns being a day is well, corp turns should probably be longer. You can set up multiple blocks getting blown to bits in less than a day? Get returns on your hedge fund or capital investors? Set up a whole marketing campaign in eight hours? Write your name on the moon by tomorrow? Or most agendas really, apparently a Hostile Takeover could happen tomorrow and we'd just wake up surprised. Plus there's churning out a movie in 2 days, 3 for a Vanity Project. 3 days, plus eight hours for getting the project set up. Seems a little quick to me. Putting turns on a weekly basis makes these things at least a little more plausible, though still very quick.

After they retire the first 2 cycles I want the first runner they make to be Whizzard's alt account Wharlock. Keep his art the same, but draw a Virtualboy/Occulusrift thing.

keep his trashing theme with somerhing like: The first time you trash an asset or upgrade each turn place the top card of you heap on the bottom of your stack.

Give his flavor text something like: With skills like these they always come back for more.

Makes Window worth it. though a brutal combo with political favour or whatever that spoiled card is.

>>43508041
>apparently a Hostile Takeover could happen tomorrow and we'd just wake up surprised
Kind of fits, given that it's a 2/1

Same for Breaking News really.

It's accepted that corp/runner credits aren't the same (though the only mechanical effect I can think of that acknowledges it is Siphon), so corp clicks being a week or more, to the runner's few hours, makes sense to me - given that runners are individuals they have a lot of minor stuff they need to do, background things

>>43505562
IT is seven cycle before first rotation.

>>43509655

We're about one year away from first rotation, to give more context.

Once we hit spring 2017, Genesis and Spin rotate out.

Not as far away as some seem to think.

>>43510804
No. WE rotate on the condition of the start of the 8th cycle.

>>43510804
>We're about one year *and a half* away

/grumble

>>43510830

Yup, one year and with current planned release schedule, that's about one year and a half away.

>>43510879
This is FFG we are taking about expect delays.

Mumbad seems very high-powered. Is Lukas trying to go out with a bang? It's probably a terrible idea, especially given Netrunner's horizontal design philosophy.

>>43511045
Or we could see power with massive killers to the power like Film critic and haarpsichord.

>>43511045
It's been said that the first cycle (maybe the first two) were purposefully a bit conservative with their cards, so they've been slowly stepping up the power, and Mumbad continues that - Lukas has said they're being more adventurous with it

Still, the upcoming cards don't seem to be favouring any particular style

>>43511101
Councilman and Jeeves are pretty immense

>>43511197
The upside of all this is that maybe we'll get new archetypes instead of just giving preexisting decks more toys to play with.

>>43502543
Not the guy you were responding to but I see most of these ice commonly enough to put street magic into all my anarch decks. My meta has a bit of blue sun so caduceus is common. Grail blue sun was pretty popular for a while. Gagarin builds with archer are kinda still pretty popular both in my meta and on the net. I've even seen a bit or rototurret recently. I run victor and fenris in my brain damage decks.

>>43511504
Yeah Street magic is pretty hardcore.

>>43511448
Hopefully

I was going to bitch about insta-parasite then (as something that will always be quite good), but then I considered Run Amok, which is also powerful ice trashing

Now this highlights that ice trashing is a powerful archetype that'll stick around, but it is at least new and interesting options for things we've been able to do before - something we also see in other places, such as Weyland's pre-rezzing ice: they've been able to do it for ages, but now there's (more) reasons to do it

>>43511872

But then ICE trashing being already such a huge problem for Weyland and its advance-able ICE archetype is only getting worse.

With Run Amok, DDOS, EMP Device and False Echo borrowed, I think we have an interesting new Shell coming out of Anarch.

>>43511977
>But then ICE trashing being already such a huge problem for Weyland and its advance-able ICE archetype is only getting worse.
I want them to give us an operation like OAI, that allows me to turn all ice into advanceable ice and different powers based on number of advancements on ice.

>>43511977
That's just Parasite, I don't think the other ice-trashing methods like advancable ice particularly, do they?

>>43512222
Another thing I would make for that operation is to make the ice untrashable.

>>43512439
Eh, phrased that badly - advancable ice is the best to trash, as it's a product of the corp spending time on their ice instead of other things, but pre-rezzing only informs the runner - it gives them more time to prepare, but the corp more time to make killing them harder (except with parasite, and to a lesser extent immolation script)

On the other hand it protects against Leela, DDoS, Blackmail and False Echol, and soon EMP Device

At the moment it's probably still better to leave most ice as a surprise, and advancable ice still needs help to be properly worth it, but it's getting there I think

>>43499485
>for just 3 credits, 3 influence. DDOS is going to be in every anarch deck.

So I was thinking of getting into this game, played it a long time ago with a friend who had the basic game. Anyway, I was wondering if any anons knew if the Wizard's Chest advertised Thursday night netrunner was very active, or if there were any other Denver or Centennial locations that they would recommend.

Armand "Geist" Walker: Tech Lord

Event (13)
3x Account Siphon
3x Calling in Favors
3x Hostage
3x Special Order
1x The Maker's Eye ••

Hardware (2)
2x Desperado

Resource (19)
3x Fall Guy
1x Kati Jones
1x Mr. Li
2x Muertos Gang Member
3x Off-Campus Apartment •••
3x Street Peddler •••
1x The Helpful AI ••
1x The Supplier
1x Tri-maf Contact
3x Underworld Contact

Icebreaker (8)
1x Breach
1x Corroder ••
3x Faerie
1x Femme Fatale
1x Passport
1x ZU.13 Key Master ••

Program (3)
3x Crescentus

14 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

been playing around with geist for a while, it's been a ton of fun and im excited to take this deck to my first netrunner event tomorrow. im relatively new to the game so any advice is appreciated. so anyways, the deck just focuses on a bunch of draw power via apartments and geist ability, digging through the stack with street peddler, and tutoring for key cards with hostage/special order. with all that it can get set up quite fast with all the breakers it needs along with contacts drip econ + kati/trimaf click econ. i recently cut the b&e suite because i felt it was just too slow, clunky, and took too many deck slots, now it feels like the deck gets set up a lot faster with the insane amount of draw power and tutors. im still trying to figure out the last few card choices, makers eye is in there atm because even though once it gets set up it has plenty of money to get in almost anywhere, it still only accesses one card at a time. the slot has gone back and forth between r&d interface and makers eye for a while and i still am not sure what to use.

>>43499454
Sounds like bullshit to me. You don't even have to make a successful run, just spend three cred and if the Corp rezzes an ETR bounce and destroy it.

Couldn't even be four credits or something?

>>43512776

How often would you advance ICE before it's rezzed in a context where Run Amok/False Echo happens to be a thing ? Even Space ICE.

I don't see how it doesn't make things go from bad to worse for advance-able ICE.

>>43512439

Parasite is worst against the only-advance-able-while-rezzed ICE.

But Cutlery is bad also, without even going into the extreme of Quetzal Knifing your 3 advanced Ice Wall for one credit. Spend three credits and three clicks on advancing an Asteroid Belt ? The runner Knifes it for 5 breaking credits + 1 one for the event. Given the pace at which runners make credits, I don't see you coming on top of this transaction.

And now Run Amok to make things even more awkward timing-wise.

I don't know, may just be me being pessimistic (after all Weyland is the best armed to deal around that new cad given it has Amazon Industrial Zone and Executive Bootcamp - I don't know that I would call Oversight AI a solution to this ICE-trashing problem, at least as far as advance-avle ICE is concerned), but really, look at Weyland deck-lists right now, and count how many advance-able ICE you see.

>>43516971
This is why Run Amok seems ridiculous to me. Cutlery you at least have to break an ICE's subroutines to trash it, insta-Parasite is dickish but you have to have recursion and Datasuckers to combo. Run Amok is just "did you rez something? lol, trash it"

>>43517048
I view run amok like anarch version of inside ob

>>43516811
Isn't that (admittedly lame) encouragement to run and pre-rez advancable ice?

>>43517638
I don't think it has anything to do with advanceable ice. It encourages prerez ICE and play things like that new upgrade. Advanceable ice is fucked because the corp spends resources to it for barely any real payoff.

IDs like Tennin would be a step in the good direction as seen in that Weyland draft ID. Space Camp would be nice if we can get the runner to run regularly to the archives without SecTest. An Early Premiere for ICE and Weyland.

>>43502315
are cards hosted on this even installed though

how do you even host cards here

i don't understand

>>43518558
Same as Djinn.
When installing cards you may install them hosted on cards that say they can host a card.

All things being said: open a scoring window, play shipment from Mirrormorph and install that new Namatoki equivalent along with two agendas, one of them a Hollywood renovation, and you can score two 5/3 agendas in two turns.

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>>43502315
Better than World's Plaza in every way and it isn't even a fucking unique

>>43514853

Given your draw engine, I don't think you'll benefit that much, if at all from Mr Li.

I'm not convinced about The Supplier in there, but if you do use him, given the current ramping up in traces, I'd add a couple of Rabbit Hole.

Conflicted about Hostage. One the one hand, I'm playing a variation of this right now, and being able to pull the right connection - say Muertos Gang Member - just at the right moment can be invaluable. On the other, once you get your engine going, your draw power should enough to get things out of your stak fast enough.

Last, just to be sure, Faerie doesn't interact with Geist's ID ability.

>>43518788

Just thinking about it a bit more; is that play legal, given you need to rez the Full Immersion RecStudio to be able to install the two agendas ?

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>>43502315
Hold on, RecStudio says assets/cards are hosted, not installed on it. Pretty sure you can't advance hosted cards, they have to be installed. Also pretty sure the runner cannot access hosted cards.

It seems to me this is a hybrid Sealed Vault/Jackson to get Agendas out of the way and make it very expensive for the runner to trash them into Archives.

>>43518853

Oh, and last but not least: 13 events in a Street Peddler deck. You like to live dangerously.

I respect that.

As Adam, how do I tech against 24/7? NACH doesn't work since I want to be stealing agendas asap and I'm not willing to run 3 Fall Guys. Currently I have 2 Public Sympathies and 1 Plascrete.

I wish the TCG scene wasn't DEAD around where I live. Only game that gets played is shit ass MTG.

They need to stop making physical card games and just push online. Fuck not having a store or friends to play with.

>>43518895

The cards are hosted AND installed. Using that logic programs hosted on Omni Drive would be untrashable: given you always trash an installed program.

>>43518887
You are right, it's not legal.

>>43518975

Thought so. Tanks for taking the time to confirm.

>>43518899

Re-reading that post: its sounds a lot more smug and potentially kinda asshole-ish than I intended.

Was just meant to be light-hearted joke, hope it doesn't get read the wrong way.

>>43518895
>Also pretty sure the runner cannot access hosted cards.
Runner accesses all cards in the server, including hosted cards.

>>43518987
Well, it's not legal as typed, but to mirrormorph 2 agendas on a rezzed RecStudio it's perfectly good. Risky (5 AP), but good.

>>43519033
Didn't sound dickish to me.

>>43518925

Have you tried OCTGN or Jinteki.net ?

Sure not as good as the real thing, but better than nothing.

>>43501361
For the same reason >>43502315 exists. FFG hates Weyland.

>>43519105
At least they've said Damon will "look into weyland's issues", meaning post-mumbad, but I'll believe FFG not shitting on weyland only when I see it and not before

>>43519139
My guess is it's probably like the early days of Magic when blue got all the good stuff simply because most of the people making the game played blue, so they deliberately gave themselves all the cool tricks.

Looking at the cardppol, I'd say that NBN and HB are the preferred Corp factions and they're ambivalent to Jinteki and everyone hates Weyland. Runner-wise, no-one like Criminals.

Localized Product Line as complement to that old Atlas-train idea in Titan Transnational ?

>>43518926
Damn, it would have been an interesting/non-power creep card if that wasn't the case.

>>43519176
>Runner-wise, no-one likes Criminals.

I can understand being despondent et the recent Criminal release (and even then... having a blast with Geist myself) but taking the whole card pool of the faction into account, I can't see what would make you think that.

Damon is a Jinteki player, we'll see how thig go now he's in charge.

>>43519223
So, rather than Weyalnd getting unscrewed, they're going to get shafted even more now that THREE factions are going to get good shit? Fuck, I need to get a job at FFG just so I can fix the trainwreck they've turned WC into.

>>43518853
yeah ive realized that Mr. Li isnt that great in it. in an earlier iteration i only had two apartments so Li was helpful early on to help sift through the deck to find one to get the draw engine online, but now that ive switched to three apartments I get it a lot earlier and Li is mostly a dead card

rabbit hole does seem nice as well, it would let me cut the helpful ai and not rely completely on hostage to get the contacts engine up and running with 2 link

>>43518899
i agree that 13 events is a little much. i think im going to cut a hostage and the makers eye for an r&d interface like i had before and then add in 1-2 SoT for anything important that street peddler dumps in the heap.

>>43519033
and i didnt think it came across as dickish, i appreciate the advice though

>>43519176
Criminal and Weyland, to my mind at least, are very similar - they both make money everywhere, have powerful but inefficient cards and both have an amazing 4-inf operation/event in core that basically precluded them from getting anything nice again.
I'd say the specific tutor thing as well, but runners just split tutoring between them

>>43519911
HB got Biotic Labour, but they're still allowed things. Not only that, one of the things they're allowed is Transactions, which Weyland doesn't get even though its CORE SET identity was all about transactions. This is an ID that will never rotate out, so it's not like they've forgotten about it.

>>43520128
I think the real problem is that FFG has not really thought about what they want weyaland to do well besides money and advancing ice.
Weyland can get cool assests.
Weyland has the most tutors.
Weyland can rez ice out side of a run.
Weyland stength barriers.
Weyland can burn down a city block ot kill one guy.

I think we need to look at what else Weyland can do to see if we can pull out its new strength.
(Am I missing any other Weyland strengths)

>>43521117
Except...
HB gets much better Assets in general and the recent slew of NBN assets have been pretty damn good, too. Just see >>43502315 for a direct example of NBN shitting all over a Weyland asset.

Having the MOST tutors doesn't mean you have GOOD tutors. Atlas is basically the only playable faction-based tutor. Both Fast Track and TFIN are neutral.

Again, outside of Oversight the only one that may even see a little bit of play is AIZ and PriReq is neutral.

Barriers are the weakest type of ice, doing nothing but keeping the runner out. High-strength barriers aren't good because they're not even a good tax any more. Breakers are way too good now that binary ice just is not a viable consideration unless it can tax like all hell or drain Lady. Spiderweb is a good start on this regard, granted, but unless we see more high-quality barriers like this, its a "strength" that has little to no impact.

Weyland CAN burn down a block to kill one guy, but you know which faction does kill decks better? Yep, NBN. A full set of Scorch and TA costs 15 influence total meaning NBN can easily go all-on on the frag strategy and do a lot better at it than Weyland can. Never mind that you usually only run 2 Scorch opening up 4 more influence and NEH has 17 to boot, leaving them with 6 free influence to spend on nice things.

Also, ded thread.

>>43521372
Not disagreeing with most of it, but executive boot camp is easily better than AIZ and it tutors any asset you need.

>>43521535
And it can easily be subbed for Tech Startup, which is neutral, meaning decks don't need to rely on Boot Camp and use up influence to tutor for assets.

>>43522113
Easily? I doubt it. Try rezzing any piece of ICE with Tech Startup. Let's see what happens.

>>43521117
Weyland can build a new city if they can't buy the city council.

>>43521372
>Barriers are the weakest type of ice, doing nothing but keeping the runner out.

I can see where you're coming from with that, but still, keeping the runner out is the first and foremost designed task of a piece of ICE.

I'd enjoyed if they tried some crazier stuff with Weyland ICE instead of trying to rely on brute numbers/econ all the time.

I don't know... low/middle cost barrier you can trash if it gets broken to prevent access this run/turn. And has that same effect if trashed by the runner.
Advance-able ICE that either taxes the runner or gives you money back (or both) - or even make you draw cards - if trashed.
A code gate that makes it so the runner is unable to win credits until next turn.
ICE that automatically gets sent back to HQ if trashed while installed.

I don't know. There's wide open design space that would totally feel in faction and deal with some the weaknesses it faces.

>>43522577
Wow those are some cool ideass love it.

Well Looks like Valencia might help take dan to the finals.

>>43523496
Dan is poisoning the Netrunner meta by making a non-interactive deck stand out so much.