ARMS 'N ARMOR

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>>43458520

>>43458526
Is that a dagger and a pouch in front of him? Why would it be there?

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>>43458526

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>>43458535
No idea, were I a Knight I'd keep my pointy stick either on my shoulder or hip to draw easily while in the thick of it. Drawing from the groin would be incredibly awkward while grappling.

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>>43458550

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>>43458558

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>>43458571

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>>43458535
>>43458550
Because it's a phallic symbol, and is a display of manliness and fertility. Ballock daggers were very often worn that way, because medievals loved a good dick or two.

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>>43458591

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>>43458608

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>>43458625

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>>43458650
I could use more WOTR era Knights.

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>>43458659

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>>43458696

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>>43458744
C'mon you peasants, post.

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>>43458767

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>>43458793

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>>43458822

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>>43458841

>>43458538
why are the plates that way?

>>43459802
What do you mean?

>>43459036
Cavalry armour.
Spear won't get between plates if stabbed from below.

>>43459925
Damn. This answers this >>43459802

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>>43458520
Went to /his/ a few day ago. They are pretty much on mount stupid, as in, they know a few stupid and they get courage and then tell a fuckton of bullshit confidently.

>>43458550
> Drawing from the groin would be incredibly awkward while grappling.
Nah, not really. You can get used to it pretty quickly. Also, sometimes it's less in the way.

>>43458538
>steamer armor
that's an interesting look

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I love these threads.

/his/ is very quickly turning shitty.

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>>43460701
nothing really surprising

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>>43460701
you mean /pol2/ - nazis, nazis, ehrmergerd mooslims?

Yeah. lets just say I'm greatly amused by the idiocy displayed there.
And by amused, I actually mean sick of it already.

>>43458550
Not if you grab it with the intent of reverse gripping it and using it like a pick.

>>43460839
>tell ill informed shitter to >>>/pol/
>LOL SJW C.UCK (with the full stop to avoid the filter)
Goddamn. That's one board that actually does need generals, then we can have one that is just "Nazi general" to contain all the arseholes.

>>43460905
Hungarian, where do you find all this stuff to post? Is it just an amalgamation of what you liked from previous threads? Of course, the bulk of it is from larp stuff you do, but the sheer amount and variety is staggering.

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>>43460880
"/Rommel/ - the only good Nazi General" ?

(and an appropriate reaction image for them all)

>>43460930
I kekked

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>>43460915
well... most of the pics I have are saved from 4chan threads, mostly /tg/. by that I mean I save everything that is valid from threads like these and not just the ones I like (I usually skip the osprey pics or modern drawings because nobody cares about those). So yeah I saved them from /tg/. There are a few that I got through from other sites like facebook or tumblr or happened to take a photo of it personally or got it from others who take the photos personally. But those are in minority.

I spend too much time here...

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I know it's basically strictly worse than European plate but man do I love me some Middle Eastern armour.

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>>43461087
How ancient are we gonna go in this thread?

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>>43461087
it isn't worse, if you compare it properly. That is, if you look what was it used against, how was it used, etc.
It's different because warfare was different there

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>>43461109

>>43458558

>"WHAT ABOUT THEIR CHINS? THEY DON'T NEED THOSE"

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>>43461240
A a bevor if you like, but keeping your breathing unobstructed isn't the worst idea ever. If you have people to herd around it might help not to put a plate in the way of your shouting as well.

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>>43461365
that, plus if you have a polearm and people hitting your chin you already fucked up something somewhere

>>43461399
>>43461365
that plus you'd usually have your visor up or thrown away in CQC, visors are to protect against missiles. Great helms were especially disposable. Sallets have a shape that protects your chin from missiles coming from above, bevors just provide extra protection

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>>43461240
Lots of people still wore armour that exposed their mouth and/or face in the full plate era, being able to breathe properly is pretty helpful.

>>43461484
hnnnnnng, black and white

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>>43461518
anon... I hate to be the bringer of bad news but... you might be color blind

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>>43461518
What colour do you think this is?

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>>43461539
that style of armour is called black and white, because usually they were...black and white. And even then they were actually black and silver. Have a pic

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>>43461551
silver and gold of course.

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>>43461560
rack upon rack of the things

>>43458591
>that horse
>"HURR I AM JOUST"

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>>43461560
anon... it's an anima armor. usually they weren't black and white. The helmet isn't looks like a black and white either... That's not a black and white armour at all.

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>>43461577
sexy plate armour, no longer black and white

>>43461586
HLF, this was described as black and white armour to me by a man who wrote his thesis on black and white armour

I think he knows what black and white armour is

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>>43461598
What kind of description does he use for black and white armour?

>>43460701
>our second board dedicated to political teleological fiction turning to shit in a hurry

Much surprise was had that day.

>>43461087
You realize that that's SCA gear, right?

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>>43461598
> by a man who wrote his thesis

/tg/ accepts .pdf's

And I wont accept anything less now you've said that. Get onto it...

(Ok, I know, maybe not. but seriously, I have enough PhD papers on arms and armour here, I'd appreciate more.)

have an anime which might have been blacked, going my fluting details on tassets and the edges of some plates.

>>43458520
Haven't been to /his/ yet. What's their deal?

>>43460839
The funny thing is /pol/ believes /his/ is leftist.

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>>43462353
new board who still has to find what it is actually about but quickly flooded with edge

>>43462438
I'd definitely argue that /tg/ was doing history fine, with /k/ to handle some topics as backup.

>>43461682
anima armour, specifically 15th century, with burgonets and falling buffs, used in pike and shot blocks. Which is a lot more wordy than black and white :V

>>43462353
>/his/ - History & Humanities
>& Humanities
>HUMANITIES

>Gotten warnings from random IPs in /tv/, /vp/ and /d/
Wonder if they're the same dude

>>43462509
Sorry m8 but I've been drinking and you've lost me. What warnings?

And why combine "humanities" with history?

>>43462487
That's my thought too

>>43462494
That's what he uses to recognize all black and white armour?

>>43460613
I don't remember where I got the image but I believe it's Russian.

>>43462548
There's some other stuff too. He's the one with the doctorate, I just parrot his findings in a warped and combative manner because 4chan.

>>43462353
its SFW /pol/

>>43462536
>And why combine "humanities" with history?
Because people who wanted history got swarmed by groups with /pol/ and /int/ interests who wanted their own hugbox of topics

A few inundated threads later and shallow philosophy, sociology, religion, politics, etc spam the board

>What warnings?
My box has been getting old bans and warnings for a few months, so there's people in my area 4channing hard

>>43462353
Imagine if /pol/ and /int/ had a child. A retarded, stillborn child.

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>>43460880
They really should just conduct a purge of /pol/ already. IP bans till they get the memo.

>>43462631
No, because then they flood into other boards. /pol/ is useful as a containment board, just like /mlp/

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>>43462576
Alright, let's forget the probably typo about 15th century, because that's probably wanted to be 16th century.

Then there is the problem that most armour that is considered black and withe aren't anima. At all. Like, from the top of my head I could only come up with one that is arguably an anima and for that it's just the lower half of the breastplate.

Then there is the problem of narrowing it down to just one kind of helmet when proto-morions, morions and a few other proto-whatever were there too.

And categorizing armour by who used it in an age where uniformized soldiers weren't yet a thing... that's just plain wrong.

>>43462619
>>43462620
Praise R'hllor we still have /tg/ then.

I remember when /pol/ had a child with /v/.

>>43462657
Cocking shit, I did mean 16th.
>And categorizing armour by who used it in an age where uniformized soldiers weren't yet a thing... that's just plain wrong.
I shall speak to him on the morrow, you're always around, I'll come back with an answer

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>>43462430
yes, but the anal /pol/yips would probably think that the KKK, Stormfront, and Mussolini are all "leftist" liberals...

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>>43462648
'Cept it's failed as a containment board, and I don't mean allow them to flood anywhere. Brutal campaign of IP bans and a zero tolerance policy. If /pol/ is so eager to worship the Nazis, let's show them what they did to the real pollacks.

>>43462088
man, from what I hear /his/ is basically /pol/ and /aco/ has caused hilarious drama on the various 2d porn boards. Oh, and /r9k/ is back, which I thought was just a pile of masturbation and /b/+/soc/ mashed together.

New managers always feel they need to make changes as soon as they turn up, don't they?

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>>43462677
what I'm trying to say just around in the landsknechte formations there were a fuckton of different kind of armours, and they are pretty much a pike and shot formation. From black and white to almain rivet, maximillian, etc.
There WERE a few armies that tried standardized equipemnt in the late 16th century if I remember correctly (although that might slipped into the 17th century) but it was pretty much a wild idea around that time

>>43462776
What's the problem with /aco/? We had so many eastern-themed boards it was probably due for a western one.

>>43462660
I pretty much report every stupid OP I see in the first rows of the catalog. There are some threads that seem to get BTFO for spam/trolling if they are reported early.

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>>43462737

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>>43462737
Just do your bit citizen, and contribute to good threads here on /tg/.

The Gods of Arms and Armour care little for heathen posts in distant lands, but must appeased with high quality images and discussion.

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of course, we could just rename the board.

"/his/ - hysterically delusional"

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>>43462811
The issues are that /aco/ is a melting pot for everyone, and thus you have the /h/ crowd not liking the presence of /d/ickmonsters, and that we used to have a pretty damn lax policy on "western" art; shitty western 2005-deviantart tier stuff could be deleted, but the decent shit could stay. Now, western stuff is actively being deleted.

Combine these two things, and you have people having to go to multiple boards to get their fixes, shouting at each other for "not liking what I like", and whining about changes to moderation policy.

Shit was largely OK as it was. Hell, /d/ was in a better place right before this, as the amount of futa spam had dropped.

Anything that gets in the way of the purpose of the board by introducing massive drama is bad in my eyes.

Imagine if we left /tg/ up, but started moderating heavily against anything that is not strictly traditional games related, and instead also opened /imu/ - "imaginary universes"

1. where does THIS thread go?
2. is /imu/ going to get other users who make it feel like Not /tg/? Yes, it is.

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>>43462994
I always wondered why people think that certain subjects only go to ONE board alone. I mean most subjects can belong to several boards. Take for example larping, it's as much a /tg/ thing as /cgl/.
and discussing the same things with different people will get you different results. So in my eyes we should let the boards overlapp a little otherwise half the conversations will be about what goes where

>>43462994
why does porn have to be such serious business?

>>43462811
/aco/ has been interpreted to accept both western and eastern pics, whether that is in art or origins. Everywhere else got harsher guidelines, actual moderation and suffered loss of content.

/aco/ then proceeded to complain other boards where squatting and the shittery began.

>>43461598
Post titles, I always need a laugh.

>>43463226
>/aco/ has been interpreted to accept both western and eastern pics
But the sticky says:
"This board is meant for posting 2D/3DCG adult content of Western style or origin. Please post Eastern style content on the appropriate board (i.e., hentai, alternative hentai, ecchi, yuri, and yaoi as appropriate)."

So the others must be squatting.

Could you punch through plate armour with a longbow? Assume that bodkin points are available, as in any range necessary.

>>43463294
With an arrow, not with the bow silly.

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>>43463294
what kind of armour what kind of longbow, what distance, etc?

But if you want to be purely theoretic, then yes, there are possibilities for that.

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>>43463093
Another fun example is the /out/ users who get offended whenever people talk about hunting or having to defend themselves from wild animals.

Even though the mods explicitly said /out/ related gun stuff does not have to go on /k/.

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>>43462494
>anima armour, specifically 15th century, with burgonets and falling buffs, used in pike and shot blocks.

...but the great majority of black and white anima suits are 16th century munition's armour AND horsemen's gear, as far as I can tell.

>>43463320
You know what I mean, you dope.

>>43463327
Well, lets say (I'm not too well versed in the different makes of plate armour) late middle ages plate, yew english longbow, and close range (within fifty yards).

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Am I right in thinking better blast furnaces and water powered trip hammers are what allowed plate to be widespread and cheap enough to outfit normal soldiers with?

>>43463393
Seems likely. That and better access to higher quality iron, I would think.

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>>43463371
late middle ages are kind of a broad term still, about the bow I was more interested in the poundage.

but look at this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qHpoeYyfl0
It has an example on an armour that won't defend and one that will against longbow (they did proper measurement for an upper class longbow in another episode and used those)

>>43462684
It's a pretty shit containment when the mods can't corrall /pol/ shitposting on other boards back into its twilight zone.

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>>43463393
the blast furnaces made the plate armour available at all. The rest just made it cheaper

>>43463407
the quality of iron ins't that important as you can always make it better with a little more work

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>>43463294
>>43463327
>>43463371

This is a massive subject with an awful lot of tripe written about it but let us hear from Tobias Capwell, Curator of the Wallace Collection in London which is currently celebrating the 600th anniversary of Agincourt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukvlZcxNAVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewwhjUYEPQ

Toby's book "English Armour 1400-1450" was also published recently after 15 years of research. I would be interested to hear if anyone has snagged a copy and what they thought of it, as mine is still in the post.

>>43463261
I know what it says, their interpretation goes:

>artist is of western origin - allowed
>game/series/source available in the west - allowed
>style is not fully eastern - allowed
And so on, they cling to the greatest interpretation of "western style of origin" they can get

>>43463460
Hrm, just been doing a bit of reading on the side and it seems that plate armour in the time period I'm looking at could deflect an arrow, but the wearer would be knocked down.

This have any truth to it?

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>>43463335
I think the hunters on /k/ pretty much all moved to /operatorchan/ because the only game /k/ ever talked about was the most dangerous one.

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>>43463447
Basically every piece other than the solid breastplate could still be produced a fair bit earlier though right?

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>>43458520

>>43463505
Hey, do you know what one of the most popular ways of getting the chainmail off again after the battle was?

>>43463460
>I would be interested to hear if anyone has snagged a copy

KM got his recently. I got a copy of Warriors of the Himalayas in the mail and I'll scan the stuff that's worth being redistributed.

>>43463523
What is it?

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>>43463499
ehhh... varies. And not in the same quality.

>>43463492
>but the wearer would be knocked down.
if the armors deflect it I don't see how it is possible, apart from extreme cases. Even if the arrow is lodged in the armor or the person I would say it's more out of pain then from the force

>>43463554
The guy'd do a handstand and let gravity slide it off. For some reason the mental image is considerably amusing to me.

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>>43463586
that would be only popular in the sense of "cool" but most of the time it wouldn't work

>>43463586
>>43463627
find wall
hands on floor
feet on wall
twerk that shit off

>>43463627
Not even for the shirt?

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>>43463663
if you wear a gambeson under it or if it's just not loose enough there is a huge chance that it won't come of just by gravity, you would have to nudge it a little or as anon said >>43463646 "twerk it"
But if you twerk you are no longer popular...

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>>43463523
>>43463586

Vigorous wiggling is often needed, but a well-tailored hauberk of maille should be easy to slide off unassisted.

Badly fitted re-enactment maille may require helpers if it gets bunched up around the back.

>>43463505
Ironclad is not great at historical accuracy in general and Purefoy's costume has a number of issues. Though considering the rest of the film it could have been a lot worse.

>>43463505
I love the aesthetics of his armor. A surcoat over brigandine over a chain hauberk. Looks badass.

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>>43463711
it's more of a coat of plates than a brigandine. Although some would even argue that

>>43463712
Anyone else just really like kettle helms and the like?

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>>43463755
kettle hats are the helmet master race

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>>43463784
This is an armor thread anon, not cheesecake.

>>43463809
Is it just me, or does that guy's body language just scream "I'm so done with today."?

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>>43463824
fuck...

>>43463824
Why two swords?

>>43463828
It's because that fish isn't part of his helmet.

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Ancient Korea must've been a fun place.

>knight dies
>his horse and armour is left at his public mourning for WHOMEVER DARES TO PICK IT UP AND COUNTINUE MY HISTORY OF BEING AWESOME.

>>43463878
At least until you get people fighting over which of them is worthy-est of taking up his gear. Or if they all just run off with different bits of it.

>>43463844
The silver one is for monsters and the steel is for you humans.

>>43464070
I'm pretty sure that guy isn't polish, not applicable.

Besides, silver swords are crap, they're so brittle they'll break if you sneeze on them too hard.

>>43463824
>>43463844
The "Kings Mirror", a 13th century Norwegian text, features this passage in the section on warfare and how a soldier is to be equipped "He must have a dirk and two swords, one girded on and another hanging from the pommel of the saddle."

Now, my expertise only runs to a few decades prior to the writing of the Kings Mirror but several reasons present themself. The fist is that the more the merrier when it comes to weapons, and the text also urges the man-at-arms to carry a spear and crossbow suitible for use on horseback.

The second is that, as in the picture, one sword is an arming sword and the other is a "greatsword of war", or to use modern terminology a hand-and-a-half/proto-longsword.

These came into being during the latter half of the 13thC, which matches the style of armour worn in the picture, evolving from arming swords that had been increasing in length throughout the 12th and 13th centuries.

Now instead of two broadly similar swords we have our knight carrying a larger sword and a more mangeable arming sword which fufil different battlefield roles.

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>>43464304
The parts about ship combat is bretty nice. The sequence of bow-spear-stones as you approach is suggested and paints a rather lively picture.

>your sword will never be this tacticool.

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>>43458520
Need more Napoleonic.

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>>43464304

Also, having a second sword is pretty handy if you drop one or get disarmed by some means.

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>>43464381
It is a really fun document to study, because it goes into detail about some many varied topics.

However as I said, my interest generally extends only to the first and second decade of the 13th century, but I am sure there are other anons who have a better grasp of the later 13th century.

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>>43464467

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>>43464467
Continentals too.

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>>43464514
>It is a really fun document to study, because it goes into detail about some many varied topics.

They tended to cover the process of how to beat a mutha from all angles in their technical texts, yes

>how to swear in your mercs
>shit you can say before the battle
>how to drug yourself up for long marches
>how to create some makeshift uniform so that you don't end up killing THOSE GUYS in armour that look exactly like THOSE OTHER GUYS in armour, but are your own dudes.
>how many standards to take along, because you will need replacements
ect.

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>>43464568
Hessian longbowman here, ready to burn down Washington.

>>43464608
FBI FBI FBI FBI FBI FBI

>>43464608
Hessian please, you're drunk. You don't even have your funny hat and musket.

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>40K Regimental commander with his poweraxe

>>43464608
He looks like a peacock.

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>>43464568
Rebels allowed?

They may have been the bad guys but they look cool.

>>43464626
Worse, the guy's wearing a turban and is clearly bearded.

He's probably a SJW Hipster tumbl user, meaning a terrorist trying to kill all white males.

>>43458535
Do you ever lose track of where your dick is?

New thread

>>43469792