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MTG EDH Commander General /edhg/

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>RESOURCES

http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.

http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.

http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.

http://manabasecrafter.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.

CARD SEARCHING

http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.

http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.

It's not the edition we deserve, but it's the card we need.
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Does this mean I can make Phage my commander?
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>>43452734

yes but only way to play it is with that non basic land...

phage still useless in commander
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>>43452770
Technically, you can use Sundial of the Infinite to force-end your turn while her ETB trigger is on the stack, which should immediately negate the insta-loss.
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>>43452770
>>43452734
>What is Torpor Orb
>What is Sundial of the Infinite
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>>43452770
Torpor Orb? Withering Boon? Granted she's still super janky but it's completely possible to play her.
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>>43452816
>>43452812

Don't forget withering boon
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>>43452770
Everyone runs Expedition Map anyway. Either fetch this new land or Cabal Coffers if they need it.
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>>43452650
Pick up all the copies of this that you can, cuz this is about as staple as it gets.
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Anyone know what this guy does?
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>>43452883
When it deals damage to a player, you exile that many cards and can play them.
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>>43452883
Flying
When he deals combat da m age to a player exile that many cards off the top of your library, you can play them till end of turn.
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>>43452883
Flying
Whenever he deals combat damage to a player, exile that many cards from the top of your library. You may play those cards this turn.

Basically differenter worse prophetic flamespeaker.
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Generally I'm pretty good at figuring out what I want to build next but I am currently at a loss after building my first two decks.

I really just want to pilot a difficult deck that can play long games. My first thought was Glissa, then I started having doubts because I realized how powerful a card she can be.

As I learn more about the format and the generals I've played against UG is on the far end of being absurdly powerful and RB or RW have to be completely ruthless to even compete. So I'm developing a guilty conscience about playing UG and get bad feels when I Myojin away 4 people's hands just to stand a chance against the stronger people at the table.

How do I negate this dilemma? I'm looking for General suggestions as well as archetype ideas. Pls no hugs.
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>>43452650
That land is so fucking odd.
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How do you calculate your mana base?

I feel like I have a pretty good curve and have a decent amount of nonbasic lands, but I feel like I dont have enough U mana period.
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>>43452812
>>43452816
>>43452839
>>43452821
>>43452770
just remembered platinum angel as well.
I think I'm gonna screw around with this idea a little more.
Oh, and crucible of worlds is definitely gong in it as well.
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>>43452903
>>43452910
>>43452913
Thanks, Moonrune Bros.
I'm guessing you guys don't actually read moonrunes, but still, thanks.
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>>43453045
Check mythicspoiler
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I have 5 slots for counters. Besides the obvious answers of Mana Drain and Force of Will, what are the 5 best EDH friendly counterspells that won't rape my wallet?
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>>43453093
Arcane Denial is good.
Yeah, you lose CA, bit you can run it in a lot more decks than counterspell.
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>>43452650
Here we go
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>>43452650
>Flavour text

Yikes. Make me think that there is some lore behind the commander format in that people unlucky enough to look into said beacon-light become enraptured and Must command armies to conquer others. Only finding rest when hopefully another warlord best them- and hopefully does not reanimate them.
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>>43453174
Except planeswalkers do not summon the creatures they need. They just make aether copies out of their memories of that person.
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>>43453174
I would be really interested in finding out more flavor behind the format like this. Great flavor.
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>>43453242
Good point, but even though we 'cast' commanders the ability to do it at any turn and kinda any time is an interesting idea to fluff up. Maybe it is a little less cut and dry then the usual.
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>>43453242
Are you a planeswalker in commander?
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>>43453115
Arcane denial is fine because the CA they get generally isn't worth it compared to the card they lose. Countering a prophet or sphinx with it is good for you not them
>>43453093
Swan song
Remand
Just really insanely good. Feels absurd to counter a huge genesis wave with remand.
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>store still has one sultai pre-release box
>buy it because why not
>get literally three Tasigurs
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>>43453478
Well at least you didn't get figuratively three Tasigurs
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>>43453478
tasigur is easily going to be 30 dollars in 2-3 years. why bitch now?
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>>43453394
Seconding swan song.
Also spell crumple, dissipate and disdainful stroke are needed for certain threats.
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>>43453517
That would be terrible.
>>43452650
>That card
I LOVE IT
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Post better boros generals.
How about a non combat effect for once.

Here's what I would have done.

Kaleme, Sherman's Apprentice
1RW
3/4
Whenever a land an opponent controls goes to the graveyard, you get an experience counter.

Whenever a source you control deals non combat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage plus x instead, where x is the number of experience counters you have.
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>>43453530
>tasigur is easily going to be 30 dollars in 2-3 years.

Doubt it. Even in the decks that play him, how many copies do they really want? 1? 2? I'd say $20 or $25 at most. Foils will be absolutely ridiculous though.
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What colors and commanders would be best for a Voltron deck? For the next three months I was challenged to make a Voltron deck in our group but I honestly never made one.
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>>43453093
Pact of negation
Foil
Red elemental blast.
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>>43453566
WoW! What A great idea! Let's turn an EDH thread into a custom card thread :D Lemme join!


DarkLord, Warrior of Night and Day
RRWW1

Doublestrike, lifelink, deathtouch, trample

Whenever you get an experience counter gain another experience counter
Creatures you control have "Whenever you get an experience counter gain another experience counter"
Whenever you get an experience counter choose 1
-Put a token into play that's a copy of a creature you control, it gains haste, exile it at the end of turn.
-deal 3 damage to each opponent, this counts as commander damage
-target creature you control gains annihilator 3, infect and indestructible

Untap all creatures and lands you control during each players untap step.
Tap each opponents creatures during the beginning of each upkeep.
7/4
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>>43453093
Draining Whelk
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>>43453566
Anya 3RW
3/3
Flying
When ~ or another creature nontoken enters the battlefield, you may exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card.
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>>43453693
>>43453566
fuck off.
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>>43453566
Whenever a creature etb you may suck your opponent's dick. if you do opponent must pay you x dollar where x is the number of experience counters you have.
fizzles if touched teeth.
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>>43453663
>tfw no vigilant double striking qt angel that gives card advantage for killing your enemies and protection when one of your friends dies
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>>43453703
4RW
Instants and sorceries you control have life link. Whenever you gain life, ~ deals that much damage to target opponent.
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>>43453728
Wow! What a cool idea, once I'm done posting custom shit in a commander thread I'll print that out and build a deck around it then immediately invite everyone I know over for a just-friendly-enough commander game
>>43453751
Opps. Forgot the creature type
-Daemon angel halfkin (that was bullied as a child and swore he'd be better but one day watched his daddy die and must now track down the evil guys to fight them and restore balance)
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>>43453631
Just play Rafiq and then tell your group to suck your dick when they bitch about you playing Rafiq.
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>>43453630
>tfw I already have two foils I got on prerelease day just from trading
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>>43452883
be worthless.
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>>43453785
2WR
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent has taken more than five damage this turn, you may return target permanent card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
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>>43453826
At least he's pretty
>Foil never ;_;
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>>43453785
Did you really think a magic thread wouldn't descend into shitposting?
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>>43453631
Sigarda enchantress/voltron is fun. Prevents a certain amount of durdling.
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>>43453850
I imagine every thread he posts in descends into shit posting.
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>>43453631
having played a few voltron decks i'd have to say the most fun i had was with this guy, good colors for artifact manipulation and his ability is super fun
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>>43453631
rafiq
or that rg giant hexproof dude
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>search mono black knights
>disappointing amount
Oh well, I guess Ashes of the Fallen and Conspiracy will have to do for Haakon
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>>43453693
May play that card part needs an "if you do.
Otherwise you can play the top card of "your library from the top of your library.
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>>43453879
Magic by it's very nature invites shitposting. The amount of ignorance is quite significant; compound that with the sentiment that every generalization or wrong statement is pounced on immediately with a correction and then add that most Magic players are not humble enough to admit they're wrong.

Like, this is how the conversation always goes:
- Post something
- git gud or legitimate advice
- Lash back or claim that they're on a budget
- Shitposting or accusations about being too poor

Consider this - if you're actually on a budget, you are actually asking for shit advice because you can't afford the good advice. The people who see shit advice call it shit advice, and the people who see good advice wonder why even bother helping if the good advice isn't going to be acted upon.

"I'm unhealthy"
"Eat better and get a gym pass"
"Too poor for a gym pass"
"Fuck off"

That's Magic in a nutshell.
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>"Suck shit, Green/Red players." The Card
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>>43453631
such fun, much wow, great voltron
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>>43453566
(red/white hybrid) [so CMC1]
2/2

OR

W
2/2
R: gain haste

this is all i fucking want
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>>43454186
Joke's on you, faggot. I'm playing Ragenath and WANT my Elementals to die.
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>>43454193
Whoever actually did that to a magic card should be hung
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>>43454287
relax buddy, its like a 4 dollar card
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>>43454287
Hanged
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>>43454287
you mean they should have a big cock?
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Other B/G general when? The bug is just goodstuff nonsense, nothing we havent seen before
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>>43454139
So what you're saying is that I spent 30$ this month for 24 hour fitness subscription and 400$ for a new EDH deck, a box of BFZ and a few singles for standard. However they are the same thing?

Magic is a game and also a social activity. If you can't see around the first part then you might be incredibly insecure and or autistic. It's like the difference between the NBA and shooting hoops with your bros.

But hey man keep doing you. I'm just looking for a new fun deck to pilot and got no responses because of shitposting and retarded questions about new cards that will never be good.
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>>43454287
lurk more
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Why are Artifact EDH decks so degenerate amounts of fun with this cool dude? The amount of cheating-into-play and thinning possible with this guy is beautiful.
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>>43454287
At least it isn't as fucked up as the My Little Pony Power 9 alters. Those make me want to beat someone to death
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B/G face general when? That bug dude is just generic goodstuff, legit boring and nothing we haven't seen before. I just want to be dissapointed by the experience counter nonsense so I can just stop being hopeful.
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>>43454404
>4 Siege Rhinos, a card with no value outside of Standard on top of a stack of $20s

Whoa, get out of this guy's way, we got Trump in the thread.
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>>43454450
I'm sure they didn't draw on any actual copies of the Power 9, right? Right!?
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>>43454450
Now this I need to see.
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>>43454477
*and a card with no value
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>>43454477
I actually bought my camry with that pile of money. It's not bad.
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>>43453983
Now he's a zombie
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I wish I could play the format the way it was meant to be played, but everyone in my area is a ONE ON ONE FAGGOT shitlord that fills their decks with 2-card infinite combos. Shit just ain't fun.
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>>43452984
Just play a tricolor combo that doesn't have UG in it. The wedge and shard generals are ridiculously more powerful in comparison to the mono and guild generals simply because of the much larger cardpool that opens up to you. Or just wait to see if any of the newly revealed ones from C15 look good to you.
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>>43454554
Wipe off your windshield and clean off the hood every once and a while, you barbarian.
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Literally slapped this deck together. I'd had the Esper precon from 2013, so I pulled out some staples like Sol Ring and whatnot, but everything else are cards I had laying around.

What recommendations and changes would you make to it? Trying to keep it fairly budget, but honestly only having to buy one instead of four of a card makes me much more willing to buy pricier cards. Still don't want to spend more than 5 bucks or so a card unless it's absolutely grand.

And yes, I'm a degenerate who loves playing UG. It's fun

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-11-15-kruphix-commander/?cat=cost
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>>43454554
Should've bought a civic, way better in grindy games.
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>>43453115
Arcane Denial is good because you DON'T lose card advantage compared to a normal counterspell.

>opponent casts haymaker
>you counter it with counterspell
>you at -1 card, guy who got countered at -1 card, everyone else at -0 cards, gaining an advantage over you two

Compared with:

>you counter with Arcane Denial
>you go -0 cards, guy who got countered at +1 card, everyone else at +0 cards

The card disadvantage here is half as big as the one with Counterspell.
Not only that, but the guy who gained the card advantage doesn't draw it that turn, and he just tapped to play a big spell worth countering.

Arcane Denial should be played over Counterspell in all multiplayer EDH decks, unless you rely heavily on your opponents having 0 cards in hand like Scroll Rack and shit I guess.
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>>43454586
Are you really bothered thay my 14 year old car is slightly dirty? I hate to break it to you but I've never washed it and there's about 200 bulk commons/uncommons on the back floorboard.
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>>43454493
They did. And a few months later, they were desperately trying to sell them at something like half price.
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>>43454554
My nigga! I got a 93 Camery. No matter how much shit I put it thru it still runs.
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>>43454559
I can't even get mad at this, it's just too ridiculous.
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>>43454771
Mines an 01' I bought off a pastor. It had 140k miles on it and I paid 2600.

Unfortunately I do not have such bargain hunting skills when it comes to buying cards.
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>>43454139
That is by far the stupidest example I've ever seen on /tg/, and I've been here longer than I care to admit.

Let me fix it (it will still be stupid, but hey, I'm not a miracle worker), to reflect the actual discourse on budget play that goes on in any MTG thread.
>i'm unhealthy guys, but I found this cool plan:
>I'll just jog outside for free, and do some bodyweight stuff with added weights, or use this budget gym option that doesn't have a brand, but does have all the freeweights I could ever want
>FUCK OFF STOP *stop to breath* GETTING FITNESS FOR FREE/CHEAPER THAN I PAID FOR IT. THE ONLY WAY TO GET FIT IS TO USE THIS BRANDED GYM *stop to breath* THAT TURNS YOUR MEMBERSHIP DOLLARS INTO FREE PIZZA ON FRIDAYS
>*brings fungus encrusted inhaler to lips*
>*teleports behind you*
>nothing personnel kid.

In conclusion, chinaman and digital piracy solutions such as cockatrice are the way of the future.
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I'm kind of itching to buold new Ezuri. Outside of Sage of Hours, Inkmoth Nexus, Fathom mage, and Blighted Agent. What would be some of your other suggestions for creatures?
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>>43454874
Mycoloth.
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>>43454874
Edric seems good if you're going wide with little creatures. Get that card advantage.
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>>43454845
>2600
Jesus, sounds like a ripoff to me. I drive a 98 Acura TL 3.2 with 150k miles for 1800.
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>>43454845
I feel you man. I spend waaaay to much money on cards I don't eve need. Mine cost me nothing because My great grandma got cancer and Died. Still, iv put about 2 grand into my car for repairs. Constantly having problems with the radiator. I should really get a new car but it has way to much sentimental value
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>>43454893
Forgot to mention I have almost 300k miles on it
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>>43454874
mycoloth, gyre sage, forgotton ancient, deadeye navigator, various clones, and putrefax come to mind. you could be a baller and run thrun too because fuck control players
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I feel like WotC designed this set by realizing everyone was tired of over powered and annoying u/g creatures. So they decided to depower it. And then, they went full retard, forgot what they were doing, and depowered everything else too.

I've never been less excited to build a deck for a general, than I have while thinking about my options with the new legends.

Cards from fucking legends inspire me more.
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>>43454495
I'm building Purphorous what are all the cards I can run to remove dissipation field or similar trouble permanents? I know there is chaos warp, spine of ish sash, scour from existence, unstable obelisk and lux cannon, is there anything else?
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>>43454940
Oblivion Stone, Nevinyrral's Disk, Perilous Vault.
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>>43454940
Karn Liberated, and Ugin are the only two other cards that come to mind. Maybe O stone and Nevinyral's Disk.
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>>43454940
All is Dust
Ugin
Word of Seizing works for a turn.
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>>43454438
I wish I could play decks like this but my playgroup is too whiny.

They get upset at cards such as Elvish Piper or any win con combo.
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>>43453663
>Wrong Mana Ordering
>Keyword soup
>Giant ability that can't do anything on it's own.
>Doesn't work the way they want it to work
>Goes Infinite on it's own
>Giant power with low toughness "Drawback"

All your missing is "Unblockable" and something to do with losing 1 life.
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>>43454891
I dunno, it drives like a new car. Really well maintained and only wasn't selling because the dude ran a church in the scariest part of the ghetto.

I love the silence inside it, no road noise at all compared to new shitcans.

Also:
>Animar
>Ghave
>Surrak Dragonclaw

Pick my new general
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>>43455077
Ghave, so you can go maximum cancer with the new GB legendary.
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>>43455077
Dubs say you should appease the father of all creatures, ANIMAR IT IS
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>>43455077
Build Animar Control. Winter Orb = Win.
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>>43455077
>3 completely uninspiring generals that have been done to death
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>>43455132
>Surrak
>Done to death
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>>43455132
Surrak really hasn't, but that's mostly because of how boring he is.
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>>43455132
>Surrak
>done to death
u fucking wot mate?
There's like, one anon with a Surrak list I've seen bouncing around.
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I'm building this sexy black guy. What are the essentials?
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>>43455132
You're the winner.
What general do I actually build?
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>>43455016
Well, I can somewhat understand them. Some of those artifact combos are ridiculous and turns can turn into Solitaire rounds.

Then again, they could just also run retarded, overpowered shit and be just as strong every once in a while like my group usually does.
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>>43453093
Counterflux, dissolve, rewind, dissipate, OG counterspell.
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>>43455175
Infinite mana combos. Pick your favorites.
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>>43455199
>OG counterspell
lolno. I'd take Cryptic or Faerie Trickery over Counterspell
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>>43453125
I'm sad that the deck would still be shit. I think he's better as the secret commander in a B/W/x deck.
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>>43455178
Toshiro Umezawa.
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>>43455252
Probably just B/W. There's hardly any knights worth tossing in outside B/W.
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Seems pretty good
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>>43453125
Oh shit. Finally. Also another tool for phage.
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>>43455178
Hazezon Tamar
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>>43454874
Wild Beastmaster
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>>43455276
Jesus tap dancing titty christ. Thank you alt wincon for Jeleva!
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>>43455276
Past In Flames on steroids? Hell yeah sign me up!
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>>43455276
>4 mana cast a spell in your graveyard
>8 mana cast ALL THE SPELLS

Jesus fucking christ this is broken.
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>>43453115

Yeah, but you might as well run Counterspell too.

>>43453093

Other than Denial and Counterspell (and other color specific ones like Counterflux) I particularly enjoy Overwhelming Intellect. It's a little more expensive CMC wise but the cards you draw off of it make it a wonderful counterspell. If you don't mind a slightly pricey answer it's pretty fantastic.

>>43453394

I wouldn't run Remand when you can just rune Arcane Denial.
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>>43455276
...Why not just give them flashback?
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>>43455318
>without paying its mana cost.
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>>43455318
"Each of them gains Flashback 0" probably seemed too clunky? I dunno.
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>>43455318
Because then you would have to pay for them?

You would also get to choose not to exile shit. This just exiles everything.
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>>43455276
Is this legacy playable? This seems stronk
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>>43453763

>give her lifelink
>win the game
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>>43455336
It's a super-version of Past in Flames, but it also costs 8 all at once. Not likely.
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Did anyone ever make anything degenerate with this dandy lad?
I've only managed to build a U/B Modern deck involving shitloads of untap cards to potential trigger him up to 6 times per turn, but doing that with mono-black should be really fucking difficult, or am I missing something?
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>>43455276
oh fuck now I really want to build mizzix
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>>43455357
There's not a lot of ways in mono-black to tap him without endangering him, and even fewer ways to chain-gun tap and untap him. And the ways that exist, it'd be easier to just make smaller combos that instantly win the game.
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>>43455336
8 mana is never gonna happen in Legacy and I don't think there's much you wanna hit back for 4 mana
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>>43454913
>>43454874

In the same vein as Mycoloth you might enjoy Verdant Force to get an experience counter each upkeep. Avenger of Zendikar with a lot of lands out means you instantly get way too many experience counters.

>>43454888

Definitely.
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>>43455359
Was already building a deck for her, time to rethink wincons. Maybe storm instead of huge X spells.
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>>43455252
Gotta have my chameleon colossus!
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>>43455175

Elder Silugmar so he can stare at his corpse around a dragon's neck.
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>>43455422
por que no los dos.
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>>43455435
I'm assuming X is 0 if I cast them with Mastery
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>>43455276

Seems hilarious but you better make sure you win on the spot if you overload this shit. I'd love to play this after a big EpEx though.
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>>43455422
Please don't do storm. It's the worst, most annoying win condition.

I'm not even speaking competition here. It's just a lot of bullshit to go through, and often the most easily disrupted. With an infinite combo, you demonstrate it once, ask for responses, then win or lose.

With storm, you have to play it out, usually for 10 minutes or so, only to fizzle out some unacceptable portion of the time. It's annoying for everyone.
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>>43455405
>Entomb Enter the Infinite -> this -> ???
I'm sure there's some way to combo with it
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>>43455452
You assume right.
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>>43455276

Cool card but I'm a little disappointed that we're not getting another Replicate spell in these precons. Replicate is a sweet mechanic, they really should use it again.
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>>43455276
So Overloaded Mizzix's mastery is 5rrr, and Ezuri's Predation is 5ggg. Vould mean a cycle of eight mana instants or sorceries based on the face commanders
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>>43455481
The problem with Replicate is that it's basically slightly-different Multikicker.
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>>43455452
it is

but if you're storming off you can either use it normal to get +2 storm or double your storm

or if you're going for big X use it to get a ritual or a draw spell back.

I say run both because off the top of my head there are only 3 storm win cons in UR and it's a versatile enough card that I would run it in either.
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>>43455490
I can't wait for the white one to gain me a bunch of life!
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>>43455357
i made a deck with him that was basically mono-b voltron/control. use whispersilk cloak to attack without putting him in danger and then get removal from him if he makes it to my next turn. the deck was so-so. Monoblack is good regardless of your commander if you have the right cards, but the deck felt dumb to play so I took it apart.
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>>43455509

Anon, almost EVERY mechanic is slightly different kicker/multikicker. That's not a problem with replicate, that's a problem with Kicker/Multikicker. Even Overload is just "Kicker but different".
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>>43455514
>>43455452
also neither here nor there but I'm definitely doing UG elfball with Ezuri Clawvv
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>>43455276
I really like this in something like Nekusar. Replay one wheel or replay them all, or even something as cheeky as playing a discarded In Garruks Wake for only 4 mana
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>>43453358
I would like to imagine so.
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>>43453093
Swan song.
Arcane Denial
OG Counterspell
Dissipate (exile clause is strong)
Negate
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>>43455564
>Nekusar
>Replay wheels
I hate you.
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I'm looking for cards that let me vomit out creatures for free or cheap each turn. Shit like Lurking Predators, Quicksilver Amulet, Wild Pair or Guild Feud.

Basic idea is to get so many fatties out that people run out of doom blades. Then use shit like "target player's lands become creatures for a turn" to stop board wipes. Then just play and cheat big creatures till someone dies

Any card recommendations?
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>playing Zedruu
>giving Xenagod player a Steel Golem
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Magus of the Wheel

Wheel of Fortune on a stick.
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>>43453663
meh, dies to removal.
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>>43455514
The thing is Mastery takes the whole yard, on the X idea I'd like to recur them a time or two to keep playing big spells. It's more of a "play stuff to later play big stuff easily" what I had in mind. I really just want to be able to play shit like Volcanic Vision and Clone Legion which I never get to cast reliably in Melek, maybe twincast with Mirari.

>>43455564
Holy crap that would be bonkers. Though the overload could end in a draw with too much wheels ending on all libraries including yours empty.

>>43455602
Speaking of DJ Nekusar and His Wheels of Steel...
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>Magus of the Wheel
Ehh
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>>43455602
I don't know if I should be disgusted at the concept of Wheel on a stick, or delighted at a new Magus cycle
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>>43455516
>implying it's not going to make a boatload of tokens
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>>43455602
oh shit another Magus cycle? sign me the fuck up.
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>>43455602
Jesus tapdancing christ
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>>43455595
Guild Feud, Quicksilver Amulet, Lurking Predators, and Wild Pair might be good.
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>>43455602
Just reprint wheel pls
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>>43454554
>sun roof

Manlet fucking detected.
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>>43455602
Oh wait you need to sacrifice him for the wheel? Meh, and here I was thinking Jace's Archivist had gained a red buddy...
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>>43455276
Oh my goodness
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>>43455292
I'm too patriotic to play a terrorist.
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What sorcery could the green magus have? I can't imagine they'll do something like Magus of the Ramp
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>>43455564
Thats a damn fine idea bro.

Hell, I don't run any non-red decks, and I can't see one where this card wouldn't be a great include. Shit like this makes me hopeful about red's future as an actually decent EDH colour
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>>43455077
Ghave's great. Broken shit aside, fungus tribal is fun as fuck. Thelon's more stronk, but centralizes the deck a lot, and you miss out on Mycoid Shepherd and Pallid Mycoderm.
Secret tech: Mold Adder. Trust me dude.
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>>43455666
Has snapcaster mage taught you nothing?

What red has, blue steals. What blue steals, red gets shitty versions of several blocks later.
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>>43455697
Does it have to be a sorcery? Because they could do Magus of the Birthing Pod
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>Building Drana, Liberator - Queen of Swamps + Vampire Tribal build
>mfw Necropolis Regent + Drana means 3 turn clock for Commander damage win, let alone the other vampires
>mfw Lily ODR + Retreat to Hagra/Swamp Spells
>mfw Cryptghast + Nirkana Revenant
>mfw "Ahem, Vampires" flavor insta-win Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood
>mfw All these fliers and unblockables

Out of the Big 4 BFZ commanders, she's probably my favourite.
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>>43455602
>play mono-red for 3 years. Even when I stop running mono, every deck is red
>crippled by lack of cards. Wheel of Fortune is a shitload of cash
>finally buy WoF
>3 days later WoF on a stick, cheap as shit cuz its in the pre-cons

You know what? I'm goddamn ok with this. Any idea what precon its in, because its an auto-buy now
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>>43453631
Sapling of colfenor get a couple ways to become unblock able the sneak through with worldslayer and it's game over
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>>43455753
I was gonna say "I hope it's Mizzix" but I don't want it to be Jeleva 2.0 where the precon is double the price it should be because of three cards
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>>43455720
Lol, so much this.

When I was starting out at magic I saw copy spells and wheels and went "cool, that must be red's version of counterspells and no-drawbacks mass card draw. What a cool and interesting concept". Then I found out its just shit versions of blue copy and blue wheels, and that a lot of the time, red is just "shitty blue, with haste"
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>>43455753
Given this >>43455276 card and how the other red deck is a W/R deck that's probably got a stronger W focus than R, I'd would bet it'd be in the UR one
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>>43455745
It's almost certainly going to be a sorcery. The Magi already have a land cycle, an artifact cycle, and an enchantment cycle. My bet is that this is the sorcery cycle.
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>>43455720

Yeah that's is just dumb. Why do they keep doing it?
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>>43455690
make ruhan then
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>>43455745
I figure they'll do sorceries only as the Time Spiral block magus' were cycles of lands, artifacts and enchantments.
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>>43454559
Certainly not real. I would need to see an actual picture of the cards to believe someone would ruin these cards like so. I am going to just assume this is photoshop.
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So I made a token-based Ezuri U/G deck earlier today that almost entirely focuses on just absolutely flooding yourself with Experience Counters through the use of tokens.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-2-counter-boogaloo/
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>>43455753
Wheel of fortune is like 15-20$. How is that a shit ton of cash?
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>>43455276
Well, I know what I'm buying.
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>>43455357
He is great in my Phenax, God of Deception deck.
That's about it.
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>>43455816
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>>43455793
The Rose Knows.
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>>43455798
I'm gonna play green land destruction with jolrael.

No one can stop me now.
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So what does everyone thinks will be the other Magus in the sorcery cycle? My pipe dream/guess
Black gets Magus of Damnation
White gets Magus of Armageddon
Green gets Magus of No fucking clue
Blue gets Magus of Time Walk
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>>43455858
Its funny cause the guy that got them said that he would never sell them so the value didn't matter to him, but I saw it at a dealer table at a gp a couple years ago.
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>>43455894
No way in almighty fuck will blue get "Time Walk: The Guy". Too easy to abuse.
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>>43455357
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>>43455894
green gets Magus of the Desert Twister
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>>43455697
Magus of Channel
Magus of Regrowth
Magus of Plow Under
Magus of Overrun
Magus of land grant
Magus of glimpse of nature
Magus of Eureka (I'd cum rainbows)
Magus of life from the loam
Those are a few of the most iconic green sorceries and one I thought would be funny.
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>>43455858
Someone needs to murder this person.
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>>43455901
They've printed time walk: the [blank] a bunch of times.
they usually just suck or get banned though
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>>43455931
>>43455911
>>43455910
>>43455901
>>43455894
Magus of the Treasure Cruise.
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>>43455816
>>43455858
>>43455920

Even better, the guy tried to sell them after people called him a retard for ruining their value with his shit alters and responded something along the line of "I'll never sell these cards so it doesn't matter what other people value them at, I'm doing this for myself".
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>>43455920
Honestly, I wouldn't even be THAT angry if it were at least a good alter. But they paid someone actual money to do that amateur-level bullshit to cards worth several thousand dollars. That's like buying a brand new car and then having the kid next door go at it with a can of Rustoleum as a 'paint job'
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>>43455894
magus of eureka?
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>>43455947
Oh yeah, and that's several ruined Guru lands too.
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>>43455357
I'd consider thornbite staff. Mono black shouldn't be finding it hard to sac it. Not infinite but you should be able to get a lot more out of him that 6/turn with thornbite on him.
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>>43455967
>>43455947
Woops, ruined alpha/beta duals to look like guru lands*
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>>43455720
>He thinks windfall is better than wheel of fortune
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>>43452650
>Only to your hand

Its decidedly meh. A staple for sure but its very ehhh.
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>>43455357
Some idea's

Krovikan plague, Gallows at willow hill, Cryptic gateway, Honor worn Shaku and the powerhouse of the deck Sands of time.
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>>43455947
Ponyfags are pretty much the most beta of beta, so I don't think it would be hard to simply rip these up in front of him and then walk away. I bet the degenerate wouldn't even say a word.
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>>43455914
>>43455965
I'd be ok with Eureka on a stick that sacs itself, powerful but with huge potential to backfire especially in edh.
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>>43455947
By the way, if those cards weren't covered in ponies, the top 4 cards alone would be worth about that full 12k.
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>>43455276
I will be purchasing the UR deck
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>>43452883
>Only a 4/4
I would have liked it if it was a 5/5.
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>>43456005
Oh, sorry that the card didn't read "T, sac: put your commander onto the battlefield for fucking free".
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>>43456018
Same, was deciding between GB and UR, but this card seals the deal unless they put something truly outrageous in the GB deck.
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>>43455911
Greens will be some insane card advantage creature because green doesn't already have enough of those and fuck black
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>>43456016
The Black Lotus itself would be worth about those $12k
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>>43456040
I love spellslinging and this deck is looking to be a perfect base for it. I've never actually done much with GB
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>>43455276
This is when shit gets rough.

I have an all foil EDH deck.

That deck REALLY wants to run this card.

I guess I'll have to get it altered. Any suggestions?
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>>43456003
>he thinks I was talking about windfall.

Underaged kids get out pls.

though windfall is better than reforge the soul
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>>43455947
What's that card in the bottom left?
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>>43456058
>>43456040
>>43456018
I'm frustrated because this is the first U/R Commander I've actually been interested in, but I guarantee that this deck is gonna be the most popular one, and it's gonna flood my meta.
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>>43455276
How often does ice really come up in magic to necessitate having so much of it in the art for this?

>>43455602
Literal translation?
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>>43456034
You have to sac it. That in of itself makes it a nono to me.
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>>43456058
Yeah I've wanted to do a spellslinging deck too but never cared much for Melek (plus someone else in my group plays him), so was happy to see Mizzix.
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>>43455858
>>43455947
You ever see something that just makes you want to murk a motherfucker
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>>43456092
Time Vault, I think.
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>>43455947
There exist professional art restorers.

Wouldn't they be able to remove the pony alters from the cards?

I'm sure they'd be able to do it without too much damage to the card and for far less than it would take to buy them new.


>>43456092
Time Vault, basically the easiest infinite combo in vintage.
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>>43456095
>not expecting UR to be the most popular
It is by far the most popular guild, I have no doubt that even if turned out to be the worst it'd be the most in demand.
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>>43456106
...so you wanted a land that just read "T: Put your commander onto the battlefield from the command zone". Yeah, okay. Are you also frustrated that Lightning Bolt costs R instead of 0, doesn't have Split Second, and only does 3 damage instead of 4000?
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>>43456104
It's not ice, it's the salt from the other players.
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I love the card. I hate the wording.
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>>43456123
Highly unlikely they'd be able to remove the pony alters without severely damaging the underlying card, depending on what was used. I know Eric Klug does a lot of "restoration" alters- he'd either cover the ponies up, or just scrape them off and paint over everything but the Mox itself.
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>>43456128
No something like

X T: Put your commander onto the battlefield from the command zone. Where X is the converted mana cost of your commander.
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>>43456104
1R, Tap, Sacrifice Magus of the Wheel: Each player discards his or her hand, then draws seven cards.
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>>43456104
There is an entire card type dedicated to snow
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>>43456005
>>43456106
You play Derevi don't you
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>>43456133
It's worded that way specifically so it'll buff your opponent's Commanders if you steal them. It could have just been "Your Commander gets +2/+2 and has Indestructible", I suppose.
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>>43456163
Nope.
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>>43456157
So you want a land that makes every commander into a better version of Derevi.
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>>43456108
I have a Shu Yun that goes full wizardmode, drops spells and dumps out tokens, but I might have to trim it and mash it together with Mizzix. There's not much white in there anyway
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>>43456161
Yes, I know that, but I mean it dosnt come up often outside of snow covered lands and ice age. It certainly dosnt show up in any recent sets that I can think of. I didn't mean there wasnt cold represented in magic, it's just not the first thing you think of.
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>>43456188
Yes.
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>>43456174
>Karn deck
>Karona pillowfort
>Memeling the Pilgrim
>My Little Furry
>ANGEL TRIBEL LOL (but not Kaalia, too mainstream :^) )
>LOOK AT MY SHINY EXPENSIVE CARD
>5 color deck with a colorless commander

Yeah, you sound like the kind of idiot that would want Better Derevi as a colorless land.
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>>43456199
Eat pig shit and die in a fire
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>>43456193
Yeah it's not like the last block was Khans and the Temur, which live in permafrost.
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>>43455276
Good gravy. Would this trigger token engines like Talrand? It does say you are casting the copies
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>>43456104
frost titan is pretty relavent as is ojutai in standard
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>>43456193
Blue gets a lot of ice-based magic lately, and in recent sets there were plenty in the Temur/blue cards of Tarkir block. Frost Titan, Frost Walker, Frostburn Weird, Icy Blast, Icefall Regent, Encase in Ice, etc.
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>>43456233
Yes
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>>43456233
Yes, and it triggers Mizzix too if the cards CMC is high enough.
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>>43456240
Ok it's not the first thing I think of then I guess.

Sorry anons, you win. Thanks for the education.
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>>43455793

yeah i know red never gets good cards. it's not like red has multiple great decks in every format under the sun, i don't get why they hate the color so much. maybe someone close to an r&d member got mauled by a bull

people who bitch about blue are the worst
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>>43456254
Fun fact: Since you're throwing all the copies on the stack at once, any of them that have CMC higher than your experience counters (at the time you're casting all your spells at once) will give you counters, period. If you're at 3 counters and cast 5 spells that are CMC 4, you get 5 experience counters
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>>43456095

It depends on where the money cards get printed.

I'm very interested in this deck (since U/R is my jam) and the G/B one.
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>>43456272
>all of them are burn decks or decks splashing lightning bolt
wow, so diverse, so good
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>>43456212
>Karn deck
Hey 6 knowlenge pools on the feild makes for a fun time.

>Karona pillowfort
I love making my opponents kill each other while I do nothing. Its fun watching them get pissed off they have to kill the guy they allied up with.

>Memeling the Pilgrim
I like being a target no one can fuck with. Diplomacy is fun.

>My Little Furry
She was my first deck in all of MTG. Of course she's gonna be my waifu.

>ANGEL TRIBEL LOL (but not Kaalia, too mainstream :^) )
I don't like how kaalia plays. I wanted something focused on my opponents creatures not my own. I like it because its a tribal which is my thing and I get to have anything I blast away with a kill spell.

>LOOK AT MY SHINY EXPENSIVE CARD
Yup. Need all the bragging rights I can get.

>5 color deck with a colorless commander
Its Eldrazi only. The problem is most Eldrazi cost colored mana. Rules should not get in the way of fun.
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>>43456272
Found the blue mage.

People aren't bitching about red being weak, they're bitching about it having very limited niches, and those niches being aped by blue.

They're bitching that blue's thing seems to be "doing what other colors do, but better"

The only thing blue can't really do is gain life.
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>>43456262
This is /edhspoilers/. Humility and grace are not welcome here.

faggot
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>>43456306
>NURRRR FUCK THE RULES I WANNA MAKE MY STUPID SHITTY MEME DECK NURRRRGH
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>>43456272
well uh red is doing pretty good in my opinion. RDW is a thing in modern, monored burn is a thing in legacy, almost every standard has a RDW variant that does okay (current standard's is atarka red, but it's still mostly red)

I think red is better than you think
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>>43456327
That's the point of a CASUAL format.
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>>43456311
Yet.
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>>43456311
sir i think you need to check yourself
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>>43456330
jesus, followed the reply chain, post went whoosh over my head. nevermind.
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>>43456338
>NURRGH "CASUAL" MEANS I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT
>I'M GONNA START THE GAME WITH 10 LANDS ON BOARD BECAUSE THIS IS CASUAL
>MY DECK IS ALLOWED TO HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES BECAUSE THIS IS CASUAL
>WHY DO YOU HATE FUN THIS IS CASUAL
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>>43456364
if his playgroup lets him do it why the fuck do you care?
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>>43456245
>>43456254
>>43456281
Sweet Lord yes

>Yung Peezy, Talrand and Guttersnipe out when it resolves for Overload

Shame it does nothing for X spells but that's still a fucking boss card
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>>43456364
Not him. This is embarrassing. Stop.
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>>43456295
>>43456311

burn decks mean that red is a staple color in every format.

EDH also has Norin Control and Daretti artifacts

You're also overlooking U/R twin, Jund, Scapeshift, Tron, Grixis 'Control' and Affinity (all of which run some number of red cards if they aren't entirely based on them)

Blue has it's own host of weaknesses and strengths just like every other color in this game. Blue was OP in the olden days because a lot of it's really strong effects weren't well costed (and some of this carries over into EDH), but the color itself has it's share of weaknesses that everybody conveniently forgets whenever they go to bitch about it. Usually, people who bitch endlessly about blue just suck at the game, and don't realize it yet.

Red Mages are the biggest fucking babies jesus christ. I love Red and it's fine as a color but that doesn't stop every red mage under the sun from crying though holy shit.
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>>43456372
By itself, I wouldn't. But combined with his bullshit entitlement about Command Beacon not being "good enough" because it doesn't just cheat the card directly onto the field every single turn, and his stupid le epic maymay decklist, I have zero respect for him as a person, and therefore everything he enjoys literally fills me with rage.
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>just bought this guy to build with
>Mizzix looks infinitely better

Fuck. Would Melek be worthwhile as 1 of the 99?
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>>43456364
I always ask when im in a shop if I want to play any of the decks that bend the rules. Also the only one even attempting to be tournament viable is my angle deck. I don't see the point in winning before turn 10 at least.
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>>43456390
I'd put Mizzix on the same power level as Melek honestly. Maybe a tiny bit better, but not much.
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>>43456382
I'm not even a red mage, but they have a point. Basically every "niche" red has outside of "hurr burn" can be done as well (if not better) by other colors, largely blue.
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>>43456384
I never said it wasn't good. I even called it a staple. Its just ehh to ME. Its called my OPINION.
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>>43456396
>angle deck
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>>43456346
>thanks
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Why dont we just try to make a format similiar to EDH but not allow any card with a blue mana symbol printed on it? That should make everyone happy, right?
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>>43456330
>>43456347

It's okay I appreciate the sane response to my dumb bitching. I just get tired of red mages complaining about how bad their color sucks when it's really not a bad color at all. The worst part is those same people will always bitch about blue being OP or 'stealing' from red ("blue cares about instants/sorceries??? wtf wizzards"), even though blue has it's own host of weaknesses that nobody bothers to mention when they talk about the color now. It's so tiring.
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>>43456396
>EDH
>Tournament viable
Jesus christ you are walking cancer.
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>>43456402
>>43456390

>just getting into edh
>melek looks fun
>mizzix spoiled

Guess I'll try both and see which I like better, the spell shenanigans will be similar anyway.
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>>43456424
What are blue's weaknesses?
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>>43456311
>Doing what other colors do but better
That's not white or green, anon
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Is there any magic card with art of someone getting splashed in the face with acid? I have a middle eastern friend who wont even try to play magic because he says it dosnt have anything he can relate to.
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>>43456406
I can't believe I'm saying this, because 99% of the time I've ever typed it out it's been the stupid joke/meme

But your opinion is objectively shit. Looking at a solid, possible staple card and going "Eh, it could just be ten times better" is what entitled fucking children do. You might as well look at Doom Blade and be pissed it doesn't exile 5 creatures and only cost B. you might as well be mad that Narset doesn't exile the top 30 cards and let you cast them 3 times each for free. There's valid opinions like "I'm not sure I like them using this to invalidate the Commander tax", and then there's shitty opinions like "DOESN'T INSTANTLY WIN HARD ENOUGH, MEH/10".
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>>43456405
I still think red should get better looting than blue. Instead it gets Tibalt.

Blue already has awesome card advantage, card filtering and cantrips. Can't red get "draw > discard"?
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>>43456438
No creature removal, artifact removal, enchantment removal, generally weak creatures.
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>>43456428
You have to have a classification for the try hard decks. Its not fun for anyone unless everyone is on the same level. If one player is playing a tournament deck against a bunch of casual decks its just not fun.
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>>43454404
I like how he validates the original poster's point in an attempt to argue it.
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>>43456382
>red tron
???
>Jund
splashes lightning bolt
>affinity using red
this is simply not true
>scapeshift
literally zero red cards in a lot of lists, just running red for the combo

Every other color has a multitude of staples, red gets lightning bolt and a rare shot at a combo card. But go ahead and keep sucking Wizard's terrible R&D dick and pretend like nothing's broken with the color pie.
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>>43456311
>blue's thing seems to be "doing what other colors do, but better"
Wasn't this white's thing, except "but worse"? Now it's just O-Ring variants forever
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>>43456472
H-have you played in the last decade?
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>>43456449
Sire of Insanity, kind of.
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>>43456436
Here's my personal UR tier list.

>Untouchable tier
Nin, the Pain Artist
>Top tier
Jhoira
Niv the Firemind
>Good tier
Mizzix
Niv the Dracogenius
Melek
>Bad tier
Anything else

People at my LGS were raving about how Mizzix was broken levels of powerful yesterday. They're all horribly wrong.
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>>43456449
This count?
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>>43456272
>mfw red decks in Legacy are playing red for Bolt and sideboard cards at best
>mfw you
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>>43456449
Show him THE ENTIRETY OF ARABIAN NIGHTS
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>>43456449
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>>43456472
Look at him and laugh.
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>>43456456
I don't like self sac effects. I find them to be pointless cards.
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>>43456473
>using phrases like 'tournament deck' and 'tryhard' unironically
I would bet actual money that you have played Craw Wurm in that Karona deck on purpose.
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>>43456449
Did he get in a lab accident?
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>>43456510
Not even the guy you're arguing with but I hope you're aware your comment paints you at someone either very new or very bad at the game. It's on par with "Necropotence sucks, I lose my draw step and I have to PAY LIFE?"
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>>43456472
>no creature removal
Lie.
>generally weak creatures
Delver and Merfolk. Fuck, they kept shoving Merfolk down people's throats just so Blue could also do an aggro creature deck, the one thing it should never have been able to do.
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>>43456463
Maro says no, that would be too "smart".
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>>43456509
I mean, he's partially right. Blue doesn't really have a ton of good artifact/enchantment hate without relying on other colors, or 1-for-2 via bounce-then-counter. You also can't just say "lolcounterspells" for everything, because the likelihood of you having a counter for EVERY CARD they play is very low.

Blue's still an insanely strong color, don't get me wrong, and the few weak points it has are easily shored up with a splash, but it absolutely does not have the artifact or enchantment hate that other colors have, and it pales in comparison to white and black for dealing with resolved creatures.
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>>43456503
>>43456497
>>43456495
Thank you all for playing along, but I was just being a shitter. I don't have any middle eastern friends. I don't make it a point in my life to hang out around garbage.
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>>43456516
>Craw Wurm

Why the hell would I ever use that shitty card?
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>>43456133
Ahhh, It's to prevent planeswalkers from getting indestructible. Planercleansing is still out there
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>>43456510
>A powerful effect is 'pointless' because you can't just mindlessly repeat it every turn forever
I bet you don't play instants or sorceries because they only do something once
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>>43456472
>No creature removal
pongify, curse of swine, reality shift, just fucking mind control/bounce it

>No artifact removal
plenty of artifact specific hate like hurkyl's recall or steel sabotage

>No enchantment removal
annul. but not much else.

>Generally weak creatures
merfolk. big fat fatty sea monsters.
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>>43456545
Because you unironically use the phrases "tournament deck" and "tryhard", you consider "attempting to win before turn 10" to be "tryhard", you have a bunch of shitty "I learned to play last year" timmy deck archetypes, and you have extremely ignorant opinions about cards that require planning or forethought instead of just slamming them onto the table and making airplane noises with your noise-hole.
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>>43456536
MaRo's a retard who talks like a little girl. I don't mean to disrespect his work, I'm glad he kept Magic alive as long as he has, but sometimes I hear his opinions and ideas and think he has his head way too far up his ass and should spend more time talking with development rather than remaining stuck in design and muh color pie and muh flavorful mechanics.

Notions like "red can't get smart cards because that's a blue thing" are fucking toxic.
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>>43456405

red is "shallow" but it's so fucking good at what it does, and it's not shabby at other things too. Big Red (there was one just last standard season iirc, it might even still exist) decks have existed, and Jund was one of the best decks in Modern for a long time (until BBE and Deathrite got banned, and Siege Rhino got printed really and it's STILL a good deck). EDH even has mono red control decks (Norin The Wary), and this is despite red being "the worst" color in EDH!

>>43456438

It's major weakness is that Blue's answers are restricted based on time (counterspells) or don't really answer a problem but just stall for time (Tapping, Bounce, etc.). Blue isn't a BAD color by any means, I think it's fine (although I wish they could get decent countermagic again), but it's hardly OP outside of Legacy/Vintage (where it has to be OP in order to police the degenerate combos of the format) and Red is hardly in a shitty spot in any format. Red is one of the best colors in Modern and in the previous standards.

>>43456528

Merfolk relies on heavy tribal synergy (like goblins or elves), unlike other colors who's creatures are just good in any shell (this is why Tarmo is so expensive). Blue's creature removal is also a temporary answer because it ALWAYS replaces what you remove with some threat. Why do you think nobody/so little decks play Pognify/Reality Shift/etc.? Everybody bitched about that when it saw no play because other colors do it better (which is fine).
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>>43455947
I just don't get it. He could have sold the originals, bought whatever fucking cards he wanted by the shit-ton, and then had as many of his stupid faggot horses on them as he wanted.

Instead now he's stuck with shit nobody wants except other retards that like horses, and they're not going to shell out 12k for that, so what the fuck. How do you fuck up this badly.
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>>43456526
>Necropotence

Necropotence is good though.

I don't like decks built with the of goal of winning. I like playing slow fun games. Ideally I want to play through half of my deck before the game ends. Its why I hate tutors in EDH. They always get the same handful of cards. I don't want to see the same cards.
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>>43456552
I mean, you could only run it alongside Nahiri as your commander, so I doubt that's why.
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>>43456578
Probably autism with rich parents. I can't imagine a ponyfag being suscessful in life by himself.
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>>43456539
I don't get the "splash yourself with acid" part. I get that you were just making a pointless shitpost to express how much you hate middle eastern people, but the acid part, I really don't get.
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>>43456570
>talks like a little girl
Don't you know, anon? Masculinity is toxic too. See: transwoman lands.
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>>43456539
Then why are you in an EDH thread
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>>43456576
>it's heavy on tribal so it's okay for this color that's supposed to have shit creatures to not have shit creatures

No.
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>>43456579
Missing the point. Saying "I don't like self sac effects, they're pointless" is pretty much the equivalent of saying "I don't like things that cost life". It's something you hear from shitters who don't know the first thing about the game.
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>>43456581
There's also Kideon
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>>43456581
>>43456552

Not to mention Indestructible isn't even useful on planeswalkers because they will still "die" to combat damage.

>>43456463

It's supposed to be weak at card advantage. Can you imagine if all of the burn decks in Modern and other such formats didn't need to splash another color to refill their hand? They're already dumb enough as it is.
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>>43456591
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#Middle_East
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>>43456597
Same reason I am on a chinese cartoon imageboard. Bad life decisions.
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>>43456552
Indestructible wouldn't do anything for a planes walker. Once it hits 0 counters you sac it. Its like -x/-x an indestructible creature.
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>>43456609
My friends all call me an idiot for running fetches, only to bitch and moan when they get mana borked in their tricolor decks while I'm stylin on them and blasting spells left and right

I've tried to teach them but they won't listen
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>>43456614
>It's supposed to be weak at card advantage.
I'm talking about looting, not card advantage. I am well aware red isn't supposed to get good card advantage and if anything, I'm happy we now get things like Outpost Siege and Abbot of Keral Keep. But we should be getting more Faithless Looting tier looting effects, with draw first, then discard.
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>>43455894
Calling it now.
Magus of Restore Balance
Magus of Ancestral Vision
Magus of Living End
Magus of Hypergenesis
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>>43456605

If Merfolk wasn't a deck Blue would literally have one deck in Tier 1 in Modern and that deck hasn't placed 1st in a tournament in ages. That's how bad the color is in Modern.

It's a tribal deck, at any rate, and it's still super vulnerable to removal because the creatures are only really good if you stack Island walking lords. Green's creatures are still better in just about every way (Tarmogoyf? The guy who's in every green deck?).

Not to mention as the game becomes more creature focused then blue's creatures have to stop sucking because otherwise the color can't stand on it's own like every other color. This is doubly true with the significant weakening of Blue's tools (see: counterspells, card selection, card drawing).
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>>43456652

Because it fits red's impulsive nature more than the other way around.
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>>43456569
I started playing with Innistrad. I completely acknowledge my view are fringe. Thats why I'm not telling you to follow them. I want to play a fundamentally different game than what modern MTG is. I want a game where everything is so powerful they all cancel each other out. Not WotC's view of depower everything so nothing is good.
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>>43456027
Either that or if he allowed you to play lands, or if he let you cheat the mana cost.
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>>43456631
>>43456614
Planer cleansing or shenanigans man. Wrath's usually avoid planeswalker, but there many things that can hit. Beast Within's still out there.
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>>43456609
>>43456638
>got into MtG around the tail end of Innistrad block
>friend brings over a bunch of cards he just has laying around
>looking over his cards and I find a Verdant Catacombs, ask him if I can have it
>he says yeah because he doesn't like that you have to pay life just to get one land
>his face when we both found out its value months later
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>>43456638
>have friend that like
>likes to play life gain/prevent damage durdle fest deck
>nice guy, shit magic player, never really took him all that serious because I could always grind him out and win eventually
>one day after we hadn't played in a long time we meet up and play
>he's built a deck whose entire game plan is to put orim's chant on an isochron scepter and lock you out of the game until he can put time warp on a panoptic mirror and take infinite turns
>mfw game 1

completely unrelated story, but your post made me remember it.
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>>43456499

burn still seems like a tier 1 deck in legacy. you kinda just seem like a gigantic fucking baby.
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>>43456306
>Rules should not get in the way of fun
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>>43456679
And this is exactly the mentality I'm deploring. From a design perspective, sure, it makes more sense with red's "impulsive" nature how however MaRo wants to explain this shit. But if he spent more time with development, he might realize that it would be nice for red to keep its good things instead of them being moved to blue exclusively because it's more "flavorful" that way.
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>>43456615
>>>/pol/
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>>43456701
If the game is not fun there is no point to playing. I've black listed players and decks because I don't like playing them.

Fun should be the one and only goal of the deck.
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>>43456683
Your views are not fringe. Your views are flat out WRONG.

You want to play something that isn't Magic? Then go play that. Don't walk into an ice cream parlor and bitch that all they serve is ice cream and that you want a steak, then tell everyone how stupid they are for not eating the ice cream abomination you cobbled together that's almost kinda sorta like steak.

Also

>WOTC's view of depowering everything so nothing is good
I find that hilarious, since you're bragging about your unbelievably shitty decks as being "strong", and that you spit out words like "Tournament" and "tryhard" as if they were unforgivable slurs.
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>>43456729
Every time I see something like this, I generally assume it means "I blacklisted players who kept beating me because I can't get good."

It may not always be accurate but it's usually close enough.
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>>43456729
Fun is incidental, not intended.
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>early-mid game
>playing Kazuul, chief threat is playing Sidisi self-mill
>has a giant Zombie token army from bouncing Sidisi and attacking almost every turn
>committed shitloads of mana to some fatty, swings with all his tokens
>Kazuul shits out assloads of of Ogres
>the palpable salt in the air as his token army dies to mine
He was ripshit. Kazuul is the funnest
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>>43456556

>big fatty sea monsters

which get played WHERE? no format is slow enough for most big fatty sea creatures to be worth sleeving up.

>all those things about removal

How much tournament play did ANY of those see? The only one that does is Hurkyl's Recall because Affinity is based around shitting out it's hand on Turn 1-2, and if you don't get rid of all their shit they'll kill you. I'm going to reiterate too, that all of Blue's removal is temporary. If you don't catch it with a counterspell, then you're only delaying the problem, not solving it. Ironically, blue sucks at solving problems.

>>43456719

>being moved to blue

anon, blue has had looting forever. blue is the original looting color. it's the og looter nigga. when looting wants to feel gangsta it photoshops STRAIT OUTTA BLUE onto itself.

looting didn't get moved to blue. it got moved to red.
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>>43456729
>I've black listed players and decks

I'm laughing at you.
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>>43456756
No anon, pic related
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>>43456750

It's true, just salty sailors trying to hide their tears behind the great wall of "fun".
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>>43456745
I don't like any other games.
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>>43456390

Melek will absolutely work well in a Mizzix deck, imo. The two decks might play at around the same level, but they'll definitely play differently.
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>>43456745
I hear eskimo ice cream made with seal fat, animal tallow, fish and berries is kind of good. If they served that at an ice cream parlor, I might try it. Just like I might occasionally sit down with a group that plays with shitty houserules.

I think it's fine that houserules can exist, but I dislike them being the baseline in a public, open group. If it's just one table at your LGS, or some friends at their kitchen table however, then let them have their fun.
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Well then.
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This is pretty dumb, political play or not.

Guess you can use it to suddenly take out your nemesis.
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>>43456772
>looting didn't get moved to blue. it got moved to red.
You removed the "being moved to blue EXCLUSIVELY" just so you could go on a rant and feel like you were educating people?
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>>43456757
>people who don't read cards then bitch that they want to redo their turn because they didn't read the cards

Eventually everyone has to learn to just fucking STAND UP OFF YOUR FAT ASS AND LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE BOARD. ASK FUCKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE CARDS DO IF YOU'RE UNCERTAIN.
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>>43456609
My friend has been sitting on 3 Thoughtsiezes (2 Lorwyn, 1 Theros) that he never plays because he doesn't like losing 2 life when it resolves. I don't think he knows how fucking strong it is, and I hope he never finds out.

I shudder to think how he feels about Necropotence
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>>43456808
It's a tiny overrun if used on your own turn, it's a good defensive play, and yes, after all of that, it does have political implications. But it's still not a dead card in a 1v1.
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>>43456794
if only it had hastevvv
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>>43456809

It wasn't a rant. I'm don't care that looting is in red. I think it fits and it works.
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>>43456794
>more dumb beater shit for R/W

You know, at least this one's decent. So I'm not even going to be mad.
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>>43456794
Of course it's a dumb beater.
Why did I even have hopes for anything else
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>>43456794

Not disappointed.
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>>43456819
He didn't bitch, he just sat there and fumed because he knew he fucked up. It was wonderful. I need to further tune this Kazuul deck, sorta-Propaganda on a stick with tokens is great
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>>43456794
7/10 it's decent. I will try throwing her in my Aurelia list and see how it fares. I guess you don't have to feel too awful about playing her before the life total conditions are met, but she's still very underwhelming in those circumstances: the trinket text is what actually turns her playable.

Contract with something like Blood Baron Vizkopa which was fantastic before activation, and just ridiculously overkill after activation.
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>>43456794
I like it

I guess you aggro the fuck out of someone with aggressive red and white shit then bring her out.
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>>43456794
Eh. I like it.

>>43456843
>red has never given anything haste in the history of forever
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>>43455981
>>43456016
They were all unlimited, someone would have murdered him if he did that to a/b cards.
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>>43456794
>No double strike and/or haste.

Not commander material. If it was bolt on a stick it would be a lot better.
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>>43456877

She'll be pretty mean with Heartless Hidegetsu.
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>>43456819
I was playing 1v1 against Derevi, I mulliganed to 5, got stuck on 2 lands forever, my only two other permanents were Spirit of the Labyrinth and Grand Abolisher.

I swear to fucking god my opponent kept trying to cast spells, flash in Derevi and use abilities on my turn, and he kept trying to draw extra cards. I HAVE TWO FUCKING PERMANENTS. THEY'VE BEEN THE SAME FOR FOUR TURNS. I EXPLAINED THEM TO YOU. FUCKING READ THEM. Yes, I was mad.
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>>43456916
Not a Heartless Hidetsugu player, but I thought that deck was more threat-light, played kind of like a combo deck. If she finds her niche there then sure, that sounds cool.
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>>43456907
Unlimited versions of those are still worth a very large chunk of change
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New thread

>>43456929
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>>43456935

You can't play her in a Heartless deck, you have to play him in a R/W deck.
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>People trying to say red is one of the best colors in competitive magic
>People trying to say that blue is not that good in competitive magic
There is a fate worse than death, and its edh general during spoiler season.
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>>43456792
I agree. I have zero problem with houserules, so long as people acknowledge that their houserules are a deviation from the "norm", and understand when an outsider might prefer those rules be put away. For a few months, my group had banned Omen Machine because the only people who played it used it to slow the game to a fucking crawl, but if someone new showed up with Omen Machine nobody would say a word.

My problem is when "houserules" become "let's disregard half the existing rules, make up 30 more, and basically mangle this format into something that slightly resembles a deranged, mentally-handicapped Texan murderer wearing the skin of this format", and get offended when people don't immediately conform to their shitty houserules.
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>>43456794
Slap Lightning Greaves on her after turning on her indestructibility and she'll be nigh unstoppable.

Still disappointed that she's just another beater. Why can't Boros get an interesting commander? One that really screams "build around me" rather than just being another option among choices for beaters?
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>>43456794
I'm not sure how the lighting works in this picture. There is a red hue on one of the blades, its obviously not blood because its on the interior curve of the blade, so it has to be a reflection of the red from her wing. Shes not drenched in red, so its not the sun. Is her wing that reflective? There is a feather that is pure purple, and the end of her wing as well. The only really purple thing is her loin cloth. Is her loin cloth also super reflective? Even if it was shes blocking the light coming from behind her, so it shouldn't be reflecting. Does this artist even understand lighting?
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>>43456952

go look at modern and tell me how bad red is and how great blue is

the only people who think red sucks and blue is op are people who either suck and don't know what they're talking about, or people who have bought into the former's bullshit and have never learned the truth.

>>43456982

it feels like it's supposed to be blood from some fucker she's just murdered.
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>>43456944
Oh yeah. Duh. Well maybe in something like a group hate Zurgo then. It's another fat indestructible threat.
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>>43455602
YOU CAN FUCKING SUN TITAN IT.
WTF WOTC.
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>>43456963
Just get them to sac her.

>Why can't Boros get an interesting commander?

Same reason why R&D refuses to do things with UB outside of "Haha mill, right? MILL!" now. Stupid people like it and stupid people buy lots of it so they'll keep on pushing it.
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>>43456959
Then we agree on everything. If someone shows up at a group and expects to play his 5C eldrazi deck with Ulamog in the command zone, I'm very likely to suggest he fucks off. Same for when someone in my playgroup dropped Time Walk. Card was banned, we asked he removes it, he threw a fit about the card being fine in this format, it's casual so why do we care, we're just mad we can't afford it.
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>>43455332
It's VERY different then that. They all get added to the stack in the order of your choosing at the same time.
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>>43456819
My favorite is when they're completely zoned out (using their phone, talking to someone else, trading, etc) and paying ZERO attention during everyone else's turn, and then they want to rewind so they can counter a wrath that happened 5 minutes ago.
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>>43455318

Don't think of it as them gaining Flash Back. Think of it as an Epic Experiment out of the graveyard.
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>>43456907
I didn't realize Unlimited cards had a black border.
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>>43457080
my worst MTG experience came from someone like that
>staying with sister over weekend for funeral
>she told me about a game shop prior, brought some decks
>saturday night they have some commander games going
>one guy, who has rainbow dyed hair, a lisp, and every word he speaks is condescending playing green 2014 precon
>inbetween turns he's playing hearthstone on his phone and not paying attention to game at all
>I'm playing vish kal life drain with a minor pillow fort thing going on
>I've had a lightmine field out for 2 or 3 turns
>elfball player drops an elf lord and swings at me
>tell him they all die because of lightmine field
>"uggggh whatever I naturalize it, now swing for ___"
>tell him he already declared attackers, so even if he destroys it they all take damage
>says he didnt know about it and he would have destroyed it first so it doesn't count
>he reaches over and flicks the lightmine field with his middle finger, sending it literally off the table
>grit my teeth, bend over and pick it up, put it back on table
>tell him no that's bullcrap, if he were paying attention instead of playing on his phone the whole game he would have known to naturalize it first but he didn't so he has to deal with that
>he says something about me being contrary and starts to reach over to flick the card again
>slam my first down on the table next to his hand, stand up and tell him "if you flick my cards again I'm going to come across this table and strangle you you little chicken shit"
>store gets quiet and people stare at me
>guy behind counter comes over and tells me I have to chill out or leave, they don't tolerate negative attitudes
>pack cards up and leave
>it actually seemed like a pretty nice shop, that one guy was just a prick

i dont know if i was in the wrong for blowing my top, I don't usually socialize much. I'm pretty sure that was a reasonable reaction
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>>43456808
I don't see much politics to it. What, untap someone's creatures to do what? Attack again before their next turn? Oh wait that's not how it works.
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>>43457327
surprise defenders when someone goes all in on them when they're tapped out, I guess.
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>>43457102
Bruh they are alters, you can tell by the fucking paint on the card.
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>>43457307
that guy was an ass, but you handled the situation like a fucking child, man.
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I'm attending my first in person FNM event this week and only have the B/R starter with like 4 packs worth of alterations, how fukt am I?
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>>43457559
B/R starter? 4 packs of altercations?
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>>43457559
Limited? Might break even.
Standard? Fucked.
Modern? Words can't describe.
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>>43457638
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>>43457599
I'm assuming he means the BFZ BR intro deck with 4 boosters to improve on it.

>>43457559
standard thread is that way
>>43443746
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>>43455947
I mean, despite the content of the alters, they seem well done.
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>>43456133
What's wrong with the wording?
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>>43457857
Specifying creatures just seems weird, it's the same thing as with that new creature in BFZ that gives your land creatures flying
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>>43457811
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>43456698
I assume that wasn't even an edh game?
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>>43456756
As wrong as he is, your consent is also ridiculous.
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>>43456578
Because ponyfags are actually that retarded.

They have a psychological need to insert their shitty cartoon in everything.
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>>43457884
What's wrong with specifying creature commanders? It only leaves out the five walker commanders and the babywalkers if they get flipped.

>it's the same thing as with that new creature in BFZ that gives your land creatures flying
It's nothing like that. Manland support is a block mechanic that fits with the Zendikar theme.
Commander specific cards are nothing new.
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>>43457955
What?
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>>43457307
Nah fuck that guy.
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Is it wrong that I only like playing goodstuff decks?
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>>43458567
Yes.
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>>43458734
Decent enough, it's O-Ring 3 for heavy white decks, and, of course, Zur.
Others should probably just run the ring. Incidental value doesn't really help when you now have everyone looking to remove it rather than just one person, and the mana cost is restrictive.
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>>43458833
>Incidental value doesn't really help when you now have everyone looking to remove it rather than just one person
Exactly. This thing wouldn't make it to your next turn and you're probably going to end up doing yourself more harm than good by way of etb triggers and untapped creatures. And I love the o-ring family.
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