Is torrent culture dying?

>>718648
I think it's mostly due to Google getting serious about removing illegal things from search results. At the bottom of the results page it used to say "1 result removed", but when looking for torrents nowadays you'll find something like "10 results removed" more often.
I'm sure the torrents are out there somewhere, but we can't find them either because of the removal I mentioned or because they're on private trackers.

>>718650

It's the most depressing thing. Especially because it's not like there are easily available legal ways to browse all the possible content I would like to purchase.

There's no like internet catalogue for all the big bootied juicy asian JAV actresses that ever were, or all the hentai films that feature big butts of a certain production quality.

As it currently stands its a dark, grey cloud in which I KNOW there is within it loads and loads of awesome content, but I can't find, sort through, or easily access any of it.

Moreover, it sucks from the perspective that fans and enthusiasts were always better at cataloguing and curating that stuff than any of these shady producers.

It's the worst feeling in the world. I should have been stockpiling it all back in 2008-2010. Now I just feel locked out, or that I will just be occasionally picking up scraps from what comes up here. But never having full, complete access to the world of pornographic material.

>>718648
1 people just grouped into specific sites, most of which are completely removed from the google search results.

2 there is also so much more material being uploaded directly online

take porn for example, everyones favorite hobby, disregard professionals
example check clips4sale daily number, multiply that by a fuckton, no one will bother with that amount

3 accessible shit, music and non porn video material is much more accessible online, number of people who used to pirate because it was easier then getting it some other way is not at all insignificant

>>718667
Any specific sites you have in mind? do you mind listing some? Haven't really been using torrents for a couple of years.. all the sites i used to use are gone.

>>718668
different guy here.
I started feeling exactly like you when they took down isohunt, that shit had everything. Here is what I use:

btdigg is a dht searcher so theoretically it should be able to find any torrent.
piratebay, torrentz.eu, kickass torrents are where to go to for non-obscure mainstream stuff
nyaa.se and bakabt for anime/hentai

And you should know that you are not wrong. The amount of bittorrent traffic was about half of the entire internet traffic in 2008-2009 bu then it started going down and it's currently under 30% mostly because of stuff like youtube, netflix, hbogo. It's still high in countries that don't have these services though. Countries like russia, china, brazil... so basically, there is still time to stock up.

What torrent program do people use these days, i had uTorrent for years but haven't opened it in a while.

i used to run a hotline, carracho and kdx server. when torrents came out i thought it was great and i shut down my server. i did get nice stuff from the people that used my server.

i ran it from home, only got a couple dmca notices when i had the ftp running too.

i figured i couldn't really compete, especially with some of the groups.

i'm thinking of starting up a server again. only i'll use a vps instead of home.

I'm slowly deleting movies since those are available anywhere.. its the harder to find stuff that i like.

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>when you cultivate a nearly dead torrent

>>718648
I've been archiving porn for this exact reason
I'm that guy from /g/ who always talks about his 6-8+ TB collection and I need to buy more space

When shit hits the fan I don't want to be without a fap

I don't know about everyone else but I've stopped torrenting so much once I got a notice from my internet provider that they would slow my internet speed by half.


Does anyone have some tips to not get caught?

This also might be part of the reason others have stopped torrenting and seeding so much.

No, it's just easier to find media without needing to steal it now, what with Netflix and Hulu and all the other Internet VOD services. Most people don't torrent because they're ideologically opposed to Big Copyright. They do it because Netflix doesn't have something they want to watch.

Also, this thread belongs in >>/g/

>>718731
mutorrent. But decent people use other programs. I personally use deluge.

>>718651
>Especially because it's not like there are easily available legal ways to browse all the possible content I would like to purchase.
Yes there is...

Just be honest, you just want free shit like everyone else.

>>718648
You want to join private trackers. Public trackers get takedowns and public tracker users get letters, so uploaders don't use them as much.

But, private trackers are small enough and private enough that it's not worth it for companies to go after them.

Despite that, they have great selections of content.

If you want JAV, Oppaitime is a good place to get into. They're relatively new in the private tracker scene, so their selection isn't *great* yet, but they're growing pretty quickly and they have a lot of dedicated users.

They give out invites on irc.oppaiti.me #oppaitime-invites

>>718723
Cheers man!

>>718793
As mentioned above, Netflix and Hulu have taken over half the internet in the last few years so the argument of copyright infringement being about convenience has tangible proof.

A better argument would be that it costs an unreasonable amount of money to buy a collection of old stuff. Because if you have to buy them in individual pieces they will often sum up to a few hundred dollars, even more if it's only available from another country. Whereas you can get them for free and much faster on torrents even if there isn't a pack. And to be honest I don't believe copyright should last 70 fucking years and there are quite a few other problems.
I bought lots of cassettes of my favorite bands back in the day and now I'd have to buy them again. Why is it that the company's copyright lasts so long but they don't have to guarantee that the product they sell lasts at least as much ?
Why is it that the iTunes server can go down and deprive me of the music I bought but there is not "copyright server" to go down and deprive Apple of their right to enforce copyright for a while huh ?
Why is there no cap to the amount of money that a company can make of a non-degradable and infinitely redistributable digital product like most media ? The free market was created when products had some base tangible value and commodities had a very healthy effect on the market because you had to spend money to produce them. A copyright holder has to invest almost nothing for a product to remain successful. It should still invest in other products but it could also just do nothing and keep gaining money and that is very anti-capitalist with no capital being moved and all.
Changes are being made but they are being made a lot slower for the pro-consumer side when compared to the other side.

There are also some materials that have just gone out of print though that's not very often. Amazon will usually sell whatever obscure movie from the 50' unless it's been banned, and even then.

>>718810
Oppaitime admin pls go

>>718651
>There's no like internet catalogue for all the big bootied juicy asian JAV actresses

http://en.javseeds.com/
http://javhub.net/

>>718764
I think you should check how to make a seedbox

Get empornium for porn.

>>718815
It's pretty much the first bit of this guy's post before he started ranting.

I pirate in a handful of circumstances:
>when I'm broke
>can't find what I want through other channels for a reasonable price

The broke part is obvious enough. The second? Go on something like the play store and add up how much it would cost to purchase all the seasons of NCIS. Yeah, fuck you, that shit is not worth that price.

But it's like the death of shit like Limewire/Napster. Something else will pop up and fill the void.

That said, "normies" fucking ruin pirating. Back in the day (like IRC being the only real way to pirate back in the day), the pirating was being done by a bunch of hardcore geeks whose only mission was to make a digital copy of whatever piece of media that they could. You could find mp3s of basically anything and everything. These people weren't so much concerned with getting their favorite band out there as creating a digital archive that was easily accessible for posterity. I know that wasn't even the majority of people's motivations, but there were enough who were like that to where you'd have the same ease finding the entire discography of Lead Belly as finding whatever top 40 band...shit was cash.

>>719553
Fuck man this takes me back when I was using ares, bearshare, and frostwire for my digital needs. Also having a demonoid account back in the early 2000s made you feel like a boss. Now its easy to get shit which is good but most people didn't had to struggle for both content and internet speed

I still keep an external for my anime that I like to watch.

Games have changed, since I have a job and steam and a friend who likes to kill my wallet with good games.

But it is getting harder to find the older stuff, of which, there are a few things I'm looking for.

To /r/ I go for a minute.

>>718738
same

>>718738
>>720100
Thirded.

>>718815
>Changes are being made but they are being made a lot slower for the pro-consumer side when compared to the other side.
Sometimes I feel like changes are hardly being made pro-consumer at all. The only reason ISPs don't limit internet traffic based on content is because Netflix, the giant they are convinced their userbase to promote an open internet. ISPs are allowed (and often asked) to do deep packet inspection to find if someone is using torrents. The US Government logs all internet traffic they can and most people aren't informed about VPN services. Windows literally reads the files on your PC to sell you ads in the Start menu.

Apart from the tech industry, Disney is fucking over the consumer by lobbying for copyright laws to last over a century for no good reason. Who the fuck is going to make millions off Steamboat Willie in 2050? They've really got to protect their copyright of Mulan II and that shitass Lilo & Stitch spinoff. The average informed person doesn't have the kind of power to make a change for the better for consumers. I shouldn't have to use a Linux LiveCD designed for encryption to not be afraid of using the internet without being tracked, but that's the way it is and there's nothing you or I can really do about it.

>>718810
Admin or no, this guy does have a point.
As the crawler indexed net gets increasingly locked up by search providers many of the "mysterious curators" are moving to private trackers.

Piracy culture is dying. Torrents are fine.

>>718738
What this guy said.
Better have a back up before torrents go dead or the website shuts down completely.

I think a lot of it is due to YouTube and other streaming sites. Most people don't want to bother downloading things when they can look it up anytime. Even in the early days of YouTube, I remember I couldn't find any music for shit. Now that's all it is. Supply and demand you know? I personally prefer downloads still. When the internet is out, I can still rock out or watch videos while everyone else is out banging rocks together.

>>720214
bitch

>>720214
>>720736
"sometimes i feel like changes are hardly being made pro-consumer at all" cus their not! and you can quote that.

all big buisness will never change for consumer

>>720737
give it up for the "t" isnt that what op is asking for?

>>720734
>everyone else is out banging rocks together
I feel rock music still has a place.

>>720734
yeah, this is true, but people know nothing about quality in sound or video, downloading the whole product it is way better than streaming it, videogame/movie or whatever.

>>718651
>Moreover, it sucks from the perspective that fans and enthusiasts were always better at cataloguing and curating that stuff than any of these shady producers.

senpai

>>718648
These days I've been using private trackers more and more.

Those are, of course, hard to get into.

Never really used torrents for porn much. I find it on a website and then use jdownloader to grab a local copy.

>>718723
Isohunt.to

Other people have put it back up, because ironing was open source.

Piratebay.se

Kat.cr

Those are the main public sites I use. The rest are invite only and they're only for specific types of content.

>>718738
For porn I keep a small collection about 500gb or less, and I delete from it as often as i add to it, so I'm upping the "quality/GB" and not having to search through boring stuff.

I archive other stuff, and I'm running out of space.

Torrent culture IS dying. Old torrents no longer exist or have 0 seeds. I don't just mean movies/music/porn, but software, large comicbook archives, etc. It seems that almost all p2p has taken a massive hit for some reason and you're lucky to have some random guy in spain or Italy hosting that movie from the 1930s still that they played on TCM once 10 years ago. I think part of it is that a lot of torrent indexing sites (pirate bay, isohunt, etc) continuously went down, and when they came back up under a slightly different domain, nobody followed because everybody thought it was gone forever. Even when I look through these, there's so many torrents listed with 0 seeds, 0 peers, or maybe 1 peer waiting forever.

Nobody hosts anymore out of fear of being arrested/sued/cut off from the internet. And nobody knows how to find the classic torrent index sites.

Invite only sites don't seem to have any issues at all but they're not really part of the public arena due to the invite nature.

There's so many things that are just impossible to find anymore, its heartbreaking. So many amazing torrents that no longer have seeds or cap out at 80% among the small group of peers left.

p2p is dead. new generations are born with youtube/netflix/... with 2+ mbps connection. they are used to get immediate access to stuff. no need to wait the download.

remember emule? napster? kazaa? winmx?

>>722964
I still miss winmx...

ed2k/emule network is actually still operating, but usage is sparse. The main issue is people just stopped using most of these things.

>>722969
same problem(?) with bitorrent. cool technology but decreased usage which causes more and more people to stop using it until the technology is useless.

this is evolution. bitorrent is being replaced with netflix/youtube/illegal streaming services/"cloud" solution...

we (as users) dont have control on the files but is it important ? we are living in a consumer society. we use, we trash. we lost the ability to archive things but people dont care. this is how it works now. you got a 10mbps connection, so you can stream the last blockbuster.

a lot of history will be lost in the process.

>>718650
I love when google says they blocked something, you just click on what they blocked and go get it cause you know it's legit lol..

>>722974
The problem with this is that there's a ton of files not available for instant download almost anywhere. Lots of old tv shows, old movies, books, documents, sheet music, and alternative stuff that you can still find indexs of (usually from 2006-2010) but with no seeds or peers and the files don't appear to exist anywhere online anymore.

Also we users DO have control. But that control has been influenced to sway in the direction of not using or supporting the technology which causes it to wither. If only there was a way to change users minds back again (And probably making it easier for the tech illiterate as well)

I would agree that public torrent sites are dying either due to inactivity or under the weight of copyright claims, private sites however continue to thrive.

>>718764

There's this. You can get around it by spending money, but not spending money is as often the point as not.

There are so many web services now that make use of redundant DDL links, that the non-scene-dedicated person doesn't need to fuck around with torrents to get what they want. Not to mention mass collectives of people on sites like reddit, making and passing around the same in their own communities.

Torrents are just more trouble than the alternative for most people these days.

>>722949
CP?

I'm seeding a lot of torrents and my client doesn't prioritize dead torrents, so it just spends the upload on popular torrents until I pause them to let the dead torrents get some upload. I hate manually doing this

Private trackers killed torrents

>>718648
I usually just lurk on Chinese site that are like BTjunike
tons of them

Torrents aren't dying just avg people can stream all they need
so they don't grab stuff they might need

EX: then :oh a new movie I can download while Im here this new program I could use
EX: now :oh a new movie I can stream faster then downloading .........

>>718648
>Normies
>War on file sharing and p2p
>Easy to host files on MEGa and other websites
>Jewtube
>Streaming websites
Having said that, it would be nice to get all the people who are now on private trackers back into the general pool.
Private trackers limit the amount of seeders, they limit the amount of content. It's just not a good development, although i can see why people would want to participate in private trackers.

>>718648
I literally came here to make this thread. I can't find even common and popular shows anymore. What are people doing to see this stuff now? A lot of it doesn't even play in my country and it certainly isn't on disk or anything. How the fuck am I even supposed to watch it now? Do these people just not want people to watch anything now, get all frustrated because the bread and circuses stopped and rise up and eat them? This "copyright" argument is total bullshit.

>>720519
What's replacing it? And don't say that stupid muh Hulu muh Netflix bullshit because pay sites like that never had shit and they still don't.

So how am I supposed to watch these shows now? I'm not watching glitchy streams.

I'm apart of a zero day small private tracker community. What are the odds of getting a copyright notice from my ISP? Do you get reported for downloading or do you get reported when someone records your ip and sends the notice to your ISP?

>>723644
Your ISP doesn't really care. You get reported when someone connects to the tracker, records the list of IPs for some torrent of copyrighted material they're concerned with, and sends that list to your ISP

>>723742
Thanks, that makes me feel better. I thought that's how it was but I wasn't sure

>>722949
>Kat.cr

I've really started moving away from them after I found out they were censoring users who called out that there was a virus in (x) torrent.
And its not like it was a one time thing or a small, unknown one, the latest example I can think of is the new DOOM game that just went up on there. People called it out because it had a trojan and were IP banned or contacted by mods and told to be quiet.

That and they respond to DMCA request, which means they'll stay up for a while, but not really useful for the end user.

Piratebay is always there for me, except for literally right now, database maintenance.

>>718723
Is TorrentFreak a trusted site to get links from?
They're usually at the top listings of google, so i always have to put some caution with it.

>>718810
>privatetrackers
why the fuck would I want to swallow any pride I have to take an "interview" just so i can download some music i want (what.cd) this shit is so autistic and circle jerking that it pisses me off, and most of the time you find invites for other sites through joining one

>>724590
Embrace the Russian world of semi-private trackers. Shitton of torrents (including collections and all that), no interview shit, good speeds, no copyright trolls lurking about. Just register an account and seed. Bonus points, you can even wave your giant ratio in front of an interviewer if you ever decide to go full private.
The only con is everything being in cyrillic, but layouts are the same everywhere in the world and translators exist.

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One thing nobody's mentioning that you need to consider is that copyright owners and their hired guns may be winning the war. piratebay went down hard last year and is now a website under new owners. demonoid got snuffed long time back, btdigg has been out for a month or more now. the death of torrenting is at least in part, synthetic

I'm glad this thread still exists since I first saw it a month ago. It's so frustrating that so many of torrent websites I used to frequent no longer exist.

Dowloading music is fucking hard nowadays

I had to rip from youtube as last resort

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I've been torrenting, data hoarding and saving everything I can since 2003.

And you said I was crazy.

>>718723
Thx for the info man

>>718648
I've been torrenting for over 10 years. Before torrents, I was on edonkey, direct connect, soulseek and napster and newsgroups and unprotected ftps before that.

So, in a way I've lived through the glory days of public filesharing and the warez scene.

That being said, public p2p filesharing is dead. Every enthusiast I know is on several private trackers and wouldn't touch kickass/piratebay/etc if his life depended on it. The risk/reward ratio is simply off for public trackers if you live in the states.

Why would I want to get fined/internet banned if I can just invest 20$ a month in a seedbox and have access to pretty much every form of media ever released.

Public filesharing died the moment Netflix and Spotify was made available for cheap in the states and in Europe.

Normal (i.e. non-hoarding) people don't give a shit where they get their content from and as long as there's a constant flow of new media, they will never touch a filesharing program again.

I think bittorrent will remain in use for private trackers, but sites like kickass will die off eventually when the rest of the world gets access to streaming sites and apps. I'm still waiting for Netflix for porn and I'm confident if someone manages to pull it off properly, they'll make more money than Netflix and Spotify combined.

Personally, I'm hoping for a new file-sharing protocol that focuses entirely on private groups/encryption that leverages improved bandwidths that end-users will have access to in 5-10 years (LTE5G, fiber, etc).

It's insane how much time data-hoarders spent on categorising, tagging and organising their data (myself included) and it would be such a shame if all that effort was just lost.

I'm getting by pretty alright, though I'm not sure what you guys are trying to download.
Most RateYourMusic users use Soulseek, so I don't have much much trouble finding the music I want.

Finding books is fucking insane, though. I'm surprised there isn't a bigger community of ebook traders