/nba/ General: TTSB EDITION

Great OC OP

3rd for my samwise

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nth for GOAT center
don't @ me unless you have a better webm

>>78130807
>travel

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>>78130807
>don't @ me unless you have a better webm

>>78130530
Killin it with the OC

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>>78130926
get +'d

>>78130835
He only takes 2 steps
>>78130888
fuck off

>>78130956
>Wearing 'that' to hoop.

It's like you're asking for these niggas not to try.

>>78131002
pivot foot moves like alot

>>78131023
Moves but never comes off the ground. Hakeem has maybe the greatest footwork ever; definitely for a big man

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>>78130990
not using the UK vpn today?

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>>78131045
hahaha cherry we got anothawon from da land

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so glad to see /nba/ supports daca

>>78131044

if you tried that shit in a pickup game everyone would say you traveled, no matter how much you claim you were only "pivoting" if it looks like a travel it pretty much is

Anybody know where I can watch full games from like 2009-2013?

Let's settle this. MJ vs LeBron. By the time it's 2025, who will be known as the GOAT?

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This is fact. This is also why if Jordan went up against teams like the Spurs and Warriors, he would not have 6 rings. Sorry, but he just wouldn't.

Thoughts?

>>78131400

Shit, that' 8 years away. By that time we'll all be proclaiming someone new who hasn't even been drafted yet is GOAT. Either that or durant/curry after they win like 5 in a row

>>78131400
LeBron as the GOAT is the most forced "debate" ever. Someone will surpass Michael Jordan but it's not going to be that gigantic faggot.

>>78131400
LeBron, if it was all about muh rings russel is the GOAT

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Burfict and NFL agree to a 3 year suspension

Wait.... I thought Westbrook was loyal? Why hasn't he signed his extension? He only has a month left to do it...

>>78131045
lmfao

>>78131451
It is what it is. Pippen got drafted in 87 and wasn't ready to hit his potential until 89-90. Jordan was extremely selfish (given his immense talent and competitive nature, anyone else would be) until year 2 of of the Triangle. He hit his prime just as Bird broke his back, Magic got old and revealed he had HIV, and the Pistons eventually broke apart.

So given all that, and how the Bulls played in the first 3peat, it would be extremely difficult, if almost impossible, to beat last year's Warriors. Jordan and Pippen can only defend one guy at a time (although those 2 and Grant played great pressure defense) and Harper didn't come around until the second 3peat. Cartwright and Zaza pretty much cancel each other out and even if Javale plays only 6-10 minutes, those can be exploited.

All in all, the developments the game has taken pretty much favors the modern team almost every time. Getting into the whole thing about giving everybody modern training is another matter.

>>78131718
Cartwright is far better than Zaza. He's like twice as physical, he will eat Zaza alive.

>>78131002
He takes two steps, stops in place, then takes two more steps while changing the pivot foot twice.

>>78131624
kek

>>78131658
cap flexibility fucktard

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>too busy making memes to shitpost

such is life

"Yes, anybody can go win a championship. You see what KD did. What'd KD do? He took a paycut and went and teamed up with the best team. So a lot of these guys can now take paycuts, still make $100 million, go join the best team, .....then go be on a superteam and win a championship. This is facts. I'm not making this shit up. It happens. "
How a HOF truly feels about KD's move... He said this while ripping JR Smith lol

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Do you think this trio will be good in a couple years???

Reaper is the greatest

>>78131917
markkanen is cute , and that's no lie.

>>78131852
is that tmac? he's so butthurt about losing, says he doesnt care about rings but he ring chased in SA. hypocrite

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>>78131917
>24
>32
>8

what did they mean by this

Wait, Sidney Moncrief isn't in the Hall of Fame? That's absurd. That's 100% ridiculous.

>>78131852

This is true. Back in the 90's and before you couldn't take a pay cut to be on a championship team since a the max contract was only like 5 million for a superstar. Back then players weren't paid a whole lot so they couldn't afford paycuts.

Nowadays you put up 10/10 from the bench and get hundreds of millions. You can afford to take a paycut whenever you feel like ring chasing, especially if you're an ultra megastar.

It seems the best way to fix basketball is to pay the stars less money and stop giving them ridiculous contracts so they can't afford a paycut.

>>78131985
But then the leftover money from the TV contract goes straight to the jews at the top instead of the players.

You can't win in that situation. The money has to go somewhere.

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>>78131933
Third rate SAW tbqhwy.

Also Tim Duncan asked people to donote money to the US Virgin Islands hurricane relief efforts after almost 80% of the island's building structures were destroyed.

And it was awkward as fuck.

>>78132023

they should store it in a giant bag, and throw it out like confetti during the championship parade for all the fans.

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>>78132072
More

>>78132072
>>78132110
This guy is literally me.

I love this guy.

>tfw 3 dislikes

Come on CK we gotta go back in the lab and do it again

>>78132142
>This guy is literally me.
how much did you donate?

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>>78132110
tim is a nice guy

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>>78132110

seriously??? Only donating up to 1 million dollars?

this is the same guy who said money doesn't matter when his accountant stole $25 million from him. So now money matters and he's going to be selfish with it??

accountant steals money - okay, money doesn't matter
wife divorces and takes half - okay
hurricane destroys his childhood home - NO WAY AM I DONATING MORE THAN 1% OF MY NET WORTH

SERIOUSLY tim?

I haven't heard of LeBron donating any money at all to hurricane victims.

This is the face of the league and the next "GOAT"? Disgusting. Both as a player and human being.

>>78132236

He's probably donating anonymously. Not like all these bigshots who only donate so they can have their name in the paper and be seen as heroes.

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That pacers team was very good

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All Stars

East
Wall/Kyrie/Lowry
Beal/Demar/AB
Lebron/Gianis
Love/Porzingis
Whiteside/Al

West
Steph/Russel/CP0
Harden/Klay/Butler
KD/Kawhi
AD/Draymond
Boogie/KAT

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LeBron fans " MJ Didn't win until Lakers and Celtics got old"

Also LeBron: Doesn't win until Celtics get old and joins a superteam

-2011 Celtics: KG(34) Pierce(33) Allen(35)
-2012 Celtics: KG(35) Pierce (34) Allen(36)

>>78132262
You just described LeBron....

>>78132271
>Paul George fucking Roy Hibbert's girl and causing his downward spiral has been swept under the rug

>>78132292
game 6

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Chris Paul helping out in Houston (along with Kevin Hart)

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>>78132531
he should help out by getting the hell out of Houston and moving to some secluded Island where he can't hurt people with his hurricane powers

>>78132326
Why can't PG keep his dick in his pants?

>>78132326
Roy Hibbert's downward spiral is the strangest mental crumble I have ever seen.

>>78132531
>I like to BBC periodically

what did he mean by this?

>>78132637
I saw this too but didnt want to say anything

Im on /tv/ too much

I love the beard ornaments poster. I only wish I had access to the images so I could join in.

>>78133090
you can save images on 4chan newfriend

>>78132292
Pls don't mention the 2012 Celtics when talking about LeBron, I get flashbacks. The ECF in 2012 was the most rigged series since the Kings Lakers final.

>>78133105
I need the entire catalog CK, I'm not gonna save them one by one.

>>78132286
>no Hayward

Kys

>>78133171
yet he tried to sneak fucking Horford in there, Celshit fans are absolute retards huh

>>78133277
Horford is a 4 time all-star and was one in 2016, it's not that bad to include him. With Butler and Millsap gone, there's even less talent in the East. If Drummond has a shit season offensively I can see Horford sneaking in if he averages 16/8/5 or something. I'm more confused how a guy who was an All-Star in 2017 in the stacked West won't make it in the East.

How do I see private Instagrams bros? Already tried the alternate account..

shot: kobe vs suns
block: lebron vs gsw
rebound: bosh vs spurs
3 pointer: allen vs spurs
game: westbrook vs nuggets

>>78133470
Stop being fat, creepy, and ugly and just follow them and they'll accept if you don't look like a creepy fat rapist.

>>78133478
autism: poster of >>78133478

>something basketball related happens
>/nba/ doesn't talk about it

What a shocker, you people are horrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyt210csiPU

>>78133496
T-Mac is my spirit animal

>>78132286
>whiteside
>horford

Stupid goy, there are only 2 positions in the ASG now. I can think of another 10 small forwards more marketable than those lanklet dinosaurs.

>wants in on the locked IG

ahah we'll let you in one day

>>78133554
How much money could I sell my LD account for?

>>78133482

why does she keep blocking me then?

i didn't even put up a picture, yet somehow she knows it's me

>>78133593
>i didn't even put up a picture, yet somehow she knows it's me

No wonder she's blocking you, no one wants to let some weirdo with no picture view their private profile lmao. You sound like a creeper bro, are you GoWiz?

>>78133562
>trying to sell LD stock when it's at an all time low ever since the locked IG boom.

ahah we'll let you invest one day. why don't you fuck off with tim duncan and his shitty 250k donation.

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>Over-hyping Lauri Markkanen

It's Jokic All over again.

>>78133648

I literally just spent 10 hours practicing kazoo for my LD application.. are you saying I'm wasting my time? By the time I finish learning smoke on the water and get accepted it's going to be empty and everyone will have moved on to the LIG

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>>78132637
>>78132662
it's idiotic b/c Q is not the symbol for any element

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I'M SO UPSET!!! WHY WON'T THE /NBA/ LOCKED INSTAGRAM ACCEPT MY FOLLOW REQUEST!!

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sorry

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>130-86

So let me get this straight. The Cavs traded a superstar PG for a 5'8 player who's going to miss 3/4 of the season minimum, a tweener twitter fingers thug, a literal who, and a pick that's not even going to be top-5? How the fuck does Danny Ainge keep getting away with it?

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oh, hahahahahaha, hey lebron, didn't see you there.

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>>78134106
oh, ahahah thats because my IG is locked.

>>78134072
>lebron needs kyrie to beat the celtics

>tfw i'm part of the Locked IG now

T-Mac vs Paul George.

Who wins???

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Threadly reminder Kobe is top 5 players All Time and there is nothing you can do about it

>>78134267
pg is not hof tier

Metta World Peace is semi retired.

Will go to college this year. Still wants to play in the NBA and is waiting on a team to want him.

Magic said he wasn't resigning him and pretty much said he should retire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZvj3LFXio

>>78134298
cavs desu

>>78134286
lmao "bean"

>>78134318
>this is how far the cavs have fallen

L M A O

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>cavs won't address any questions on IT's injury

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>78134072
People need to stop talking about the pick like it's going to be out of the lottery fucking lottery. It's probably going to be like 4-8. That's a good pick. The Lakers pick might not even convey. I hope it goes to Philly personally.

Also, Jae Crowder is very good.

>>78134197
He needed Kyrie to win a ring lmfao

The only truly elite basketball player ever is Michael Jordan that one season where he went completely insane and insisted in playing every other team 1-on-1 for the entire season

how are you going to be a real GOAT if you have other players on your team

>The Cavs traded the best offensive Point Guard in the league who has yet to hit his prime for a damaged manlet, a 3 (I use this term very loosely) and D wing, a yuro Center who's slow as molasses, and a lottery pick that probably won't be top 5 in a draft that is trash outside the top 5

Lmfaooooooooooo

>>78133870

also if he BBQed all day everday that wouldn't really be considered "periodically", that's pretty much the opposite in fact. And another idiotic thing I just noticed is the B can't stand for two different elements. Honestly this shirt is all over the place, what a shitshow

>>78134365


gotta appeal to all those mexican bandwagoners somehow

We all know LeBron is gonna leave once the Cavs sit on their ass and not make a move, even after IT misses over half the season and the Brooklyn pick is not top 5.

>>78135495
they're getting boogie and wade though

>>78135566
And Westbrook and Anthony Davis too.

>>78135657
golden state still wins

>>78130693
If league didn't rig out the 73-9 dubs Durant would have stayed in OKC and they would have made a major off-season move. They up 3-1 too. Should have been Thunder vs. Cavs this year.

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>stalking my ex on IG
>she's engaged to the guy she left me for

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>>78136133
kys it's the only option

>>78136147
But then how am I gonna witness my Suns winning a championship?

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>>78136191
her new bf is a warriors fan and has a bigger penus

>>78136221
delet this

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If i had no place to fall
And i needed to
Could i count on you
To lay me down

>>78130530
So I'm playing comedy night and I said "lebron james" as a joke and the whole crowd loved it!

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what will practice be like?

How inflated are listed heights?

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>Also, Jae Crowder is very good.

Is it the Wizards' year?

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>Is it the Wizards' year?

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>>78130530

westbrook > kobe

Who can stop the Celtics in 2017-18? They have the best white SF in the league, best scoring PG, best young wingplayers, and the best coach? It's not even fair.

>>78142762
still funny

>>78143996
wew westbrook

I want a Westbrook apologist to give me their excuse on why he hasn't signed his extension yet.

>>78146010

raps

Raptors? More like... craptors LOL

>>78146580
he's too busy being cute and winning over my heart

unlike you, loser!

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@78147031

>>78142762

now that the dust has settle, did the nuggers win that trade?

DEAD THREAD

DEAD LEAGUE

boston:

theis posted a 22 minutes and 7 rebounds game earlier in the first elimination round against france, leading germany from a ten-point hole in the first quarter to a 84-81 win. some of the stuff he ran with schröder would work nicely with irving too.

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remember when this was a thing?

>>78148728
>al horford

everytime fucking time man, this guy is such a scrub

Should NBA arenas be forbidden from having a functioning AC to give smaller men an advantage?

So it's pretty well decided that Steph Curry has passed Ray Allen as the greatest shooter ever. The question then becomes: what of the other splash brother? If he hasn't yet, what does Klay Thompson need to do to pass Ray Allen?

>>78150960
>So it's pretty well decided that Steph Curry has passed Ray Allen as the greatest shooter ever.

This is true but no one here is willing to admit it because it requires acknowledging that the Golden State Warriors are good and their players are good

>>78150960
Klay hit 276 3s at 42.5% in 2016. Allen's best is 269 at 41%. Klay this season took a step down and was still better

Klay thompson is better than steph curry

>>78150960
He hasn't passed Ray, much less Reggie.

Why is Bill Russell considered better than Chamberlain despite worse stats?

Was he just the better man in the big important games?

>>78151235

because Wilt is dead

>>78151235
Because ringggggzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Actually, I don't think most people do consider him better than Chamberlain. Personally I am pretty confident that Wilt was better. Russell was an elite defender but Wilt was dominant and extraordinary to a degree that very few NBA players have been. But for people who think he's better, it's because he was a Gamer who played for the Celtics and won a million rings and was Unselfish and Played the Game the Right Way.

Yao Ming >>> Dwight Howard

>>78151235
I'm better than wilt, everyone's better than wilt.

>>78151235
You have a bad mentality. Imagine if I pass the ball to someone who is in a good position to pass it to someone who is open to score. They score but no stat is attributed to me aside from a win. Wilt instead took basically every shot. Bill Russel did whatever it took to do to win. Getting his own personal stats up weren't the way to do that

>>78151419
Being good at scoring is actually an important part of basketball, and Wilt was much much much much much much much much much much much better at scoring than Russell. Taking a lot of shots was the best way for Wilt to help his team win.

Also, Wilt literally led the league in assists one year lol

>Taking a lot of shots was the best way for Wilt to help his team win.
So why couldn't he win a title until moving to the Lakers then? He even played along Jerry West in the finals against Russel and still lost. Also by the time he got to the Lakers he realised that his non stop control of offence was actually hurting his team and passed more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46RutBTe-as
Got to 3:45 and Wilt says Russell is better because of this

>>78151505
>>78151580

>>78151580
Wilt could have been a better player if he had played a more balanced game. He wasn't flawless. He was still an extremely good player the way he played, and he was still a better player than Russell the way he played. And the more balanced version of Wilt would still have taken a really high number of shots because, again, he was really good at scoring and that helped his team win. Whereas Russell didn't take a lot of shots because he wasn't as good at it, and this is basically not a good thing.

IMO the reason that the Celtics won all the rings is because they had extremely talented, deep teams with a lot of good players and were really well-coached. I don't think you can attribute that solely to Russell.

>>78151419

imagine a team where everyone played like wilt. You couldn't stop them, no matter who had the ball you'd just get straight up scored on. It'd be an unstoppable force. The only thing stopping wilt was getting triple teamed, that's it. You couldn't triple team 5 wilts since even the most selfish wilt would have the common sense to pass it to an open wilt for an easy dunk. There's literally no way a team of 5 wilts ever loses outside of someone like steph curry getting insanely lucky with meme chucks and hacking the wilts to the free throw line.

Now, on the other end, imagine 5 people playing like Bill Russel. They would all sit in a circle passing the ball to each other looking for an opportunity to score that never arises, and then the shot clock would expire and they'd turn the ball over. If everyone just passed like you described that's exactly what would happen.

Eventually, at some point someone on the team has to be the aggressor, the shot maker who creates opportunities to score by forcing the defense to collapse on him. Yes you need glue guys too, but anyone can fucking be a glue guy, but only special cases can be someone like wilt.

Team of 5 wilts sweeps team of 5 russels and it's not even close. 1 on 1 would be even more of an embarrassment

>>78151758
>>78151727
A team of 5 Wilts wouldn't work because each would want to get their stats up whereas a team of 5 Russells would try and do their best to play as a team, which is the difference between them. You want a guy with nice stats or a guy who can you titles. You have to think of these things in context.

another thing with Russell and those Celtics teams, is that I personally believe that Sam Jones is deeply underrated historically. Fantastic player, ahead of his time, did a ton of different things on the court, and was better than anybody Wilt played with before he went to the Lakers. Outstanding player.

>>78151758
I don't really think it works that way.

There are positions for a reason and players are to a certain degree specialized.

Teams aren't made of the same player.
It's just a flawed analogy.

>>78151984

I didn't mean exactly the same player, I just meant someone who could score as effortlessly as wilt could vs. so called "team" players who aren't as good at scoring but get credit for passing.

IMO Passing is the most overrated stat in basketball, next to intangibles. You need to be a threat on offense and be able to get yours if you want to be considered a good player

>>78151837
I don't like the team-of-5-Wilts analogy myself honestly. But I think anon does have a good point: being able to initiate things and get your own shot on offense is a really valuable skill. And Wilt was good at that, and Russell was not.

Listen, Russell was a great player, don't get me wrong. I believe that he was a great defender and his intangibles and leadership were real. But when you look at what Wilt and Russell actually did on the court - not their stats, but their ability as basketball players - it seems impossible to deny that Wilt was a better and more talented player. He was soooooo much better at scoring - the gap is huge. It is a massive crater between their abilities as a scorer. And Wilt was also pretty good at a ton of other things on the basketball court.

Yeah, sure, I wish Wilt's intangibles had been better. But I still think Wilt was a better player overall when you take everything into account.

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>people actually talking about Basketball

lmaooo, what?

>>78152094
It's tough because passing is really important and I value ball movement on offense a lot. I don't want to diminish passing ability at all - but it's pretty clear that it is much less important than scoring ability. You can't rely on someone's passing ability to make them a great NBA player. Passing has to come on top of other NBA abilities. Passing takes a team from good to great but you have to have some other skills to dine out on. Like scoring, or shooting, or defense.

That said I think the analogy you're using is very silly. Passing is very valuable. It's just a secondary skill in the NBA.

>>78152240
>You can't rely on someone's passing ability to make them a great NBA player.
John Stockton?

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>>78152178
>al horford

lmaoooooooooo

>>78151984
Not him, but kiwi started the false analogies by suggesting Wilt would have won by playing like Russell. However Wilt's teams were usually inferior, so that doesn't make any sense. What would the result have been if Wilt and Russell were switched? Wilt didn't always play selfish, and he had difficulty even finding someone alpha enough to coach him. Don't you think the Celtics could have found a way to fit into their game someone who lead the league in assists?

>al horford

https://streamable.com/g1jwd

>>78152295
elite rebounder

>>78152294
>I rate Stockton

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So serious basketball question. Is the way GSW team is currently constructed the wave of the future for the NBA? I mean for them the PG position is vey important be they only really have two of them. If you include the two way contracts the dubs have like 9 Forwards? Only two legit Centers while the third one can be a forward also. So what I'm asking is drafting 6'6 to 6' 11' guys the 'IN' thing to do to form the core of an NBA team now. While going with really tall picks is going to be a thing of the past because of the speed of the game is much faster now? So heavy footed player are a liability now. So unless you can move like a guard no matter your size you're SoL now, right?

>>78152294
Stockton was a very good shooter, could score out of the pick n roll, and was an underrated defender. That said, he's probably the closest that you get.

And he still never won a ring. Although obviously there are circumstances there.

>>78152425
*very important but they

>>78152425
Yeah, I think in general that's true. It's interesting to note that Curry is the only player on the Dubs roster who is under 6'6.

I don't think it's as stark as you make it out to be - there's still a place for players in the league who can play center and point guard. But you definitely want to have lineups where you can have 3 players who are capable of playing the wing at the same time, especially for your playoff rotations, and the more that you can have at the same time without fucking up your system the better. People like to shit on the idea of "positionless basketball" but the basic idea of dividing things into PGs, wings, and centers is a correct one. And you can also see this trend in the devaluation of power forwards who aren't jumbo 3s and can't move up to play center, like Kevin Love, and how awkward it is to game plan around those guys. You really cannot have enough SGs/SFs right now.

>>78149704
kek

>>78152425
> Is the way GSW team is currently constructed the wave of the future for the NBA?
No, they are just taking advantage of their strengths. The entire myth of the Warriors small ball era comes from the fact that Curry is a great shooter, and Drayvon can defend centers at 6'7 almost as well as a star center can. The Warriors didn't sacrifice rim protection or post defense, they just happen to have a great undersized defender. They didn't revolutionize 3 point chucking, they happen to have one of the greatest 3 point chuckers ever. They have to keep recycling some positions because of players getting paid in FA like Bogut. You better believe for the Warriors, the positions recycled won't be 1-4 because they have stars at each.
If some team comes out and wins with a dominant big man, you'll say big ball is back just as quickly.

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>>78152623
celtics fan detected
>>78152690
76ers fan detected

>>78152690
It's not a question of whether you can have good bigs on a championship team. IMO of course you can.

The question is what kind of lineup do you put around them. I don't think you're ever going to see something like the days where you had a twin towers with Tim Duncan and David Robinson, or Hakeem and Sampson, or shit like that. If there's a dominant big man on a championship team, he's still going to have to be on the floor with a playoff rotation with 3 wings. That's the lesson to draw from the Warriors.

>>78152774
So the argument is that power forwards will cease to exist? I'll have to get back to you on that. Non stretch 4s like Faried and Julius Randle are pretty useless I guess.

>>78152860
I think they'll still exist because they're situationally useful and can be good in the regular season where lineups and scheming is a lot less tight.

But it's really hard to have your best lineups be two-big lineups or commit a lot of money to a non-stretch PF and expect to be a title contender, and I don't think smart franchises will do it.

How many points will Kyrie score in the debut game?

>T-Mac
>first ballot HoFer
Wut?

Did I miss anything? Did they lower the standards or gave him a pass because he's in the media now?

Does that mean /vc/ is also first ballot?

>>78152988
>hard to have
>your best lineups be two-big lineups
NO Pelicans: Well we will have to see if they can work it come this season hopefully they can.
>commit a lot of money to a non-stretch PF
Draymond Green: of course he could be the exception that proves the rule.
I just think that teams that can give the Warriors trouble just suck when facing a team with a different makeup.
I'm just wondering if there is a happy middle to this that a team can actually be?

>>78152988
I contend that not featuring PFs has more to do with the league lacking PF talent. You can't tell me old Love, LeMethuselah, crypt keeper Dirk, crap market brainlet AD and manlet Green would be winning more championships in the Duncan/Garnett era.

On the other hand, if Love, Nowitzki, LeBrick, AD and Draymond were all just coming into the league, they would begin a new era of great PFs.

Still pissed Durant ruined Cleveland's first championship and never allowed us to know what it's truly like to be champions.

Part of the fun of being NBA champs is that for a year, everyone fears and respects you. Everyone talks about who can dethrone you the next year. That fear and respect is part of what makes being an NBA champion so fun, and yet we never got to have that because all of the fear and respect was with Golden State. Everyone was trying to beat Golden State this year and the cavs were an afterthought all year... it's almost as if GS were the real 2016 champs and we were just another good team.

It's just the cleveland way. Even when we're the best team in the league and the defending champs, we're not REALLY even the best team. Fuck durant. That was supposed to be OUR time in the sun and he ruined it for us. Now we'll likely never win a chip again and bron is getting old. FUCK durant and fuck the warriors

>>78153626
>LeBron
>PF

>>78153684
it's his natural position. He shoots the meme shot because muh jordan muh magic clutch shots.
Even if he plays SF because he'd rather defend wings, I had to include him because switching to PF he's still the best in the game.

>>78153747
Has he even played 5% of his minutes at PF?

>>78153777

Lebron doesn't play positions. That's something Novices invented to understand the game.

>>78153777
that's a lot of minutes for LeBron. Magic played point guard too, he's a PG, but you could argue he was more "naturally" something else, or a positionless player.

You tell me, who in the league is better than LeBron, defensively and offensively at the 4 spot?

>>78153673
>Cleveland
>They call you guys 'The mistake by the lake' for a reason.
Cleveland didn't win fairly in 2015-2016 just like GSW didn't deserve the win in 2014-2015. But with everyone mostly healthy on both sides this last time. GSW won out right and yes with KD but why didn't the Cavs have an answer for that? You can't say they couldn't get someone or didn't have time to prepare. So the Cavs and their 'fans' have no one to blame but the Cavs themselves for not winning the finals this year.

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heeminder

lmfao wilt stats-berlain isnt even better than Shaq Attack

>>78153885
>>They call you guys 'The mistake by the lake' for a reason.
nice, never heard that moniker

>>78153885
>Cleveland didn't win fairly in 2015-2016 just like GSW didn't deserve the win in 2014-2015
Please don't compare these two titles. GSW played against injured opponents in every round en route to their title. Cleveland actually played everyone at full strength and went against all odds.
>inb4 GSW was injured that year
Nah that was just damage control. Even cuckry was screaming "I'M BACK" against the blazers, but now he was injured in the finals? fuck outta here with that shit.

>>78153885
>answer for Durant
they couldn't get someone and they didn't have time to prepare

>>78153986
bogut broken and green suspended, fuck curry. GSW had plenty of firepower but their defense died.

>>78154015
>bogut broken and green suspended
And how is that not GSW's fault? They were the ones who had poor control over themselves. Unlike the first matchup where Klay injured Kyrie.

>>78154038
I'm not the guy comparing those two titles, but saying GS was injured is different from saying Curry's made up gimpy leg caused it.

>>78153987
>they didn't have time to prepare
They had the whole season to prepare. Not saying they could though, because there really isn't a concrete answer for that bullshit team, but they definitely had time to prepare.

>>78154015
honestly would have liked seeing bogut play the finals

>>78154095
He was the starting C and it was fucking 3-1 without him, they would have won just like the year before.

>cleveland complaining about their championship
You fucks literally had the most memorable championship in sports history. At least you fucks get to sniff the finals every year.

>>78154123
wait i think i misread something. i was thinking of bogut's very brief campaign with cleveland. my bad.

>>78154165
yeah I would have liked to see that. However it was like Varejao signing with the Warriors and breaking his leg. At least Bogut is trying to make a comeback.

>drayboon will make the HOF

>>78153621
the Pelicans would be an interesting test case if the rest of their roster wasn't so fucking bad. If anyone was going to be able to make it work, it would be AD, because he's just such a complete fucking freak. That said, even for AD, I think the odds are that if/when AD is on a title contender, he will play center in their best lineups.

>Draymond Green: of course he could be the exception that proves the rule.

That's a fair point. It would probably make more sense to say "PFs with a lot of positional versatility" rather than talking specifically about stretch PFs, which is a more specific category.

>>78153626
Lebron doesn't really fit into this discussion. I do agree that PF is his most natural position at this point in his career but he also has a huge amount of positional versatility and range, and plays SF all the time and it was his position for his whole early career.

Love, on the other hand, I think is a pretty good example of a guy who is really talented and good but who also has really issues finding his role on the Cavs in the playoffs. And it'll be interesting to see where AD's career goes, in terms of what roles he plays. And WRT Nowitzki it'll be really interesting to see how Markkanen does - not that he's as good as Dirk but there's similarities in their likely NBA roles.

>meeting up with people from 4chan
bronies spotted

>>78153684
Either way, it's sort of inevitable. Father time sooner or later pays a visit, and it always takes a toll on speed rather than (core) strength. He's a freak of a nature but once it happens, switching to PF is the most logical solution by far.

>>78153561
>>78154276
>same goes for Bosh, Howard and Melo too

>>78154645
>tfw went to a /b/ meetup back in the day

I had no fear.

>>78153838
Magic was very much a PG. A position doesn't mean you do certain things. It just means you are designated as such when they fill out the lineup cards.
Marc Jackson posted up more than most centers, that doesn't make him a center or position-less. It just makes him a PG who posted up a lot.

I saw a few people state their unpopular opinions so...

Lowry is a top 5 point guard when healthy

Idk that might not be that unpopular

When Klay starts heating up he's more dangerous of a shooter than Curry.

>>78154754
Bosh and TMac are legit deserving HOF guys though, that's not like a miscarriage of justice. Howard and Melo are a little more borderline

Also, Moncrief in the HOF ASAP

>>78154754
Bosh deserves HOF, both as a player and as a human

>>78154918
Fuck Mark Jackson's dumb ass though

>>78154929
No matter who you have in your top 5 PGs, it's going to be controversial

When Embiid is healthy he's the best center in the league and it's not close.

Draymond Green played better than LeBron in game 7 last year. 5 more points 5 more rebounds 2 less assist. Same steals 3 less blocks but he had less turnovers and over 30% better than LeBron it's fact not saying he's a better player just showing how much he tried. Can't be blamed on him.

Is Tony Parker a Career Role Player?

>>78154929
Paul
Westbrook
Kyrie
Wall
Lillard
Fit IT

All better than fit Lowry

westbrook is gonna sign with the spurs

>>78154988
Drayvon's effort is not, has never been in question.

>>78154983
This is some truly wild shit to say

>>78155010
Is Manu a top-5 all time SG?

>>78154959
>be top 30 guy on shitty raptors team
>ride lebron's coattails for 4 years
>have a heart attack

nice career

Should the Celtics retire Rajon Rondo number?

>>78154929
Harden
Kyrie
Curry
Wall
Paul
Most people would include Westbrook and IT as well

How tall is russel westbrook really?

aldridge would actually be pretty good as a smallball center imho. he can bully the new generation of twinks masquerading as power forwards playing the five these days. stubborn cunt desu

Healthy Embiid right now at this point in his career is definitely not better than Jokic, KAT, Boogie, DJ, Gasol, or Gobert

>>78154754
bosh and howard deserve it retard

>>78155251
Howard fell off so quickly after he left Orlando that he might not actually deserve it

>>78155188
With Embiid on the floor the 76ers had the best defensive rating in the league and when he went off they were below 25th

>>78155293
>5 times all nba 1st team one second
>3 time dpoy
>4 time all defence 1st one 2nd
>1 finals
>cucked lebum in ecf
>1 time wcf
>b-but he didnt win for my l-lakies

>>78155188
>Jokic and KAT
ass on defense
>DJ
brainlet
>Gobert
not a star on offense
>Gasol
Debatable. He's 32 and his shooting is on par with Embiid at best while being less athletic. Only clear plus is his veteran savvy.
>Boogie
More durable but not better than Embiid

>Go

>>78155293
McGrady never even made it past the second round

>>78155413
Davis when he plays Center

>>78154959
The problem with guys like VC, T-Mac or Melo is that they had all the talent in the world but their careers doesn't reflect that for various reasons. I don't mind their introduction that much, but it unavoidably lowers the bar for future HOF-nominees.

>>78154964
Probably the strongest argument against him is his lack of individual accolades. I mean, only one All-NBA appearance in his whole career? Never led the league in any (major) stat? Weird, especially that he was an All-Star like a dozen times.

>>78155251
As much as I dislike his personality, Howard's career is the closest to what a HOFer should look like. Granted, he's washed up for years, but in his prime he was the most dominant in his position and a force to be reckoned with in general.

>>78155400
I'm not denying how good he was in Orlando! But that was like 5 good seasons

>>78155481
Also debatable. He has no meme shot while Embiid is a 36% 3pt shooter on over 3 attempts per game. Embiid also allows fewer makes at the rim despite not having AD's insane block numbers. Davis is a known quantity, but strictly on the court I would still take Embiid.

>>78155653
>more tweets than minutes played in the NBA

>>78155481
if we're allowing players playing out of position, then Lebron at center is still top 5 center

>>78155683
just like Lonzo
also not an argument

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>>78155688
not better than Embiid though

>>78155708
He hasn't proven himself

>>78155062
Yes please

>>78155653
Anthony Davis also turns the ball over half as much. And while he doesn't shoot the 3 as well as Embiid, he's a better scorer. I'd argue that their defenses are fairly close (Embiid fouls a lot more than AD does). Plus, I think Embiid's rate stats probably do benefit from the limited playing time.

It's not an insult to Embiid to say that he's not as good as Anthony Davis yet.

>>78155814
That's what I said, Davis is a known commodity. I think Embiid's GAME is equal to or better than Davis' GAME on the court, any given day. Career wise they're not comparable because Davis has put in more than 6 healthy months.

>>78155623
5 great seasons, he should go in 100%.

you trippin

>>78155869
He hasn't played enough to know how his game is. You can't say that

Joel Embiid averaged 5 turnovers and 5 personal fouls per 36 minutes last year

only the second player in NBA history to do so, following 1980s backup guard Darrell Walker

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>>78155850
AD is a great player and top 3 big man. You're right about the numbers. I still think this is Garnett vs Duncan territory though.

>>78155937
it might be in that territory in 2 or 3 years as Embiid matures. but it's not right now.

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>>78155903
AD might fall down a well tomorrow, you're being reductionist. Embiid has absolutely shown the ability to be an elite center, the question is his health.

>>78155977
31 games is not enough. Even one season isn't enough. Plenty of players have been good for a season then turned to shit

>>78155924
good idea let's talk about Embiid's per-36 numbers

>>78155977
He's shown the ability to get to that point but that's not the same as saying that he's there already on a night by night play by play basis

Also, playing 25 minutes a night and knowing you can go all out helps a lot

>>78155708
no one but retarded lakertards think lonzo is a top 5 pg. bad argument

>>78155994
Who was the last player to look like an MVP for one year before completely falling off?
hard mode: not because of injuries

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>>78155175
Westbrook is 6'4" barefoot
Wall is 6'3.75" barefoot
Tony is 6'1.5" barefoot
Deron 6'2.5" barefoot
Kyrie 6'2.75" barefoot
Rajon 6'0.75" barefoot

>>78156013
OK. They're really good, except for the parts about turnovers and fouls, which are really bad.

>>78156019
averaging 20 in 25 minutes, allowing only 44% shooting at the rim sounds elite to me. Embiid's "going all out" results in lots of turnovers and fouls too, he was trying to do everything possible. Short minutes wouldn't make his stats that much better.

>>78156060
>20 points, 8 rebounds, 47% from the field
>MVP

>>78156177
while playing elite defense for a 7 footer? I guess westbrick won this year so whatever floats your boat

is NBA2K17 a fun game?

>>78156236
Those stats and elite defence don't make you an MVP. Davis is a better defender and had better stats and he shouldn't be MVP either, especially seeing as Embiid has so far a losing record

>>78156384
right, MVP is really a team award because nobody can wrap their heads around a GOAT having terrible teammates. However, that does mean someone can play "like an MVP" without winning or being a real candidate. Embiid's stats would look great expanded to 30 mpg and a championship.

>>78155738

lebron is a better C than Embiid right now.

>>78156380
no it's a jewish millenial cash grab.

>>78156380
I like playing GM and turning the Nets into a powerhouse within a few years.

>>78156798
I got it for free.

Install is a bit big though.

>>78147936
dead thread because of spammers
dead league because of snakes

notice how one group of people ruin it for the rest of us.

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>2011: 22.5 PPG, 12.1 RPG, .506FG%
>2017: 21.6 PPG, 8.1 RPG, .493FG%
What went wrong?

>>78157003
cp0(cancer paul 0)

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>>78157003
>*laughs manletly*

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>>78157003
>Posting pre-Kardashian numbers
We all know his career is doomed now

>>78157003
blew out his knee newfriend

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Post your #SSFS (Sexy Small Forward Saturday)
for me? it's Lebron James.

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>Post your #SSFS (Sexy Small Forward Saturday)
>for me? it's Lebron James.

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>>78156896
>us

>>78157003
He's playing in the wrong generation. He'd be top tier if he was playing in the 2000s, pretty sad he was born 10 years too late.

>>78159577
He'd be exactly the same if he was playing in the 2000s. It's a meme that today's game rewards different skills. Passing and shooting were always highly valued, there just aren't many bigs who can do it, not now and not 10 years ago.

>>78160022
The game is all outside now. There's no space for playing in the post and aggressive bullyball. It's impressive that Blake was still able to shit and dunk on people despite this fact.

He'd be a monster back then. Imagine a holy trinity of KG/Duncan/Griffin.

>>78160128
Wait, why does the emphasis on the outside game make it harder to play in the post?

>>78160128
>There's no space for playing in the post
What the fuck? Are you retarded?

>>78160288
Less touches, playbooks designed around getting the 3 pointer and overall less utilization of the traditional PF/C.

>>78160382
That allows spacing for post players. You might get less touches but you should get better quality ones, especially seeing as coaches spend their time trying to figure out 3 shooters rather than post players

>>78160567
No it doesn't because all the emphasis is on trying to get the memeshooters open that everyone forgets to pass the PF once the play is over because there was too much effort exerted into getting the meme shooter open that they'll be damned if they don't take that shot instead of giving it to the post player because the mid range is defined as "the most inefficient shot".

Fuck the 3 point line.

>>78160382
Literally nothing you said has anything to do with spacing or lack of space.

>>78160637
>mid range is defined as "the most inefficient shot".
Are you trying to say that it isn't? Because by every stat it is. Also if you actually watched basketball you would know that paint play is still a big part of things. Because of the death of the midrange it means you either go 3pt or you go in the paint. Plenty of guys like Boogie and AD still go off in the paint it's just that the good teams don't which should tell you something

>>78160382
But that's mostly driven by coaches choosing to emphasize spacing because they think it's a better strategy than post-ups (also partly a reaction to changes in defensive rules and strategy).

>>78160637
>instead of giving it to the post player because the mid range is defined as "the most inefficient shot".

I'll be damned if I can understand what the fuck you're talking about here. like.... why the fuck are you talking about midrange and post play like they're the same thing

Let me give you two seasons
>28.7 PPG on 23 shots, 5.8 RPG, 3.5 APG
>29.1 PPG on 18 shots, 8.1 RPG, 11.2 APG
One of them won MVP and the other didn't. Can you guess which one?

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>>78160668
>>78160729
>>78160756
>>78160878
>>78161037
>>78161256
see you in 3 days bitches

>>78161395
Why aren't they called the Boston Snakes?

Can we talk dwight howard for a second?

He didn't work in Atlanta, what makes Charlotte think he will work there? Walker, Batum, Howard and Gilchrist. such a horrible team. Will Howard avg a double double? will kemba have his asst numbers go up?

>>78161256
Dope thanks for the advice man, I'll try out crafting now. I went to the /vg/ thread, it's nice but a lot of weird porn waifu shit.

>>78161395
Kill yourself, Celties fans like you shit this thread up.

>>78161355
Ok I'll bite. The far superior one?

>>78161355
1. Is the GOAT and deserved to win MVP
2. Is a no defense, choker with a doorstop peepee who got hella free throws

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>>78161530
>celtics

lmao trolled and banned

>>78161565
First is Jordan's 98 season. Second was Harden this season

>>78161512
Duwhite is done, he'll come in spot minutes to rebound that's it.

>>78161568
Jordan's defence wasn't that great at this point. He guarding the third option while Malone and Stockton was being guarded by Pippen and Rodman

>>78161634
i doubt it, he'll play close to 30mpg, he's second offensive option unless you think Batum will be. I don't even know how Charlotte plays, thats how forgettable they are. possibly more than Orlando but idk, all my years i haven't heard of Charlotte ever trying to get better or go for a top tier FA. So i hope he gets at least 18/10/3

>>78161512
Howard was actually not bad in Atlanta statistically, he was just really boring to watch.

Charlotte is weird because they're definitely a good team but they don't have a shot at being a contender and they never will. Their players are all annoying, limited, overpaid, or some combination of the 3, but that's not the same as being bad. They have a deep rotation of guys who are basically fine basketball players but no real stars. Kemba is a legitimately good scorer, MKG is a really good defender even if he's completely unable to shoot, Marvin Williams can get buckets, Dwight Howard is still a good defensive center who can get points and do stuff in the pick and roll. Batum and Jeremy Lamb are completely palatable rotation guys. Cody Zeller is OK off the bench and Malik Monk should be a fun rookie.

It's not a sexy team. It's a fucking ugly, disgusting, overpaid team with no clear path to improve. It's also probably the 5th or 6th seed in the east.

>>78161579
OK, now post Russell's statline this season against whoever the second best guy was in 98

>>78161929
Westbrook: 31.6 PPG on 24 shots, 10.7 rebounds, 10.4 assists
Malone: 27 PPG on 18 shots, 10.3 rebounds, 3.9 assists

>>78161880
Batum > Howard. At this point I expect Zeller and Howard to be competing for minutes.

>>78161884
agree but they should blow it up. Give Cleveland Walker and Howard and Gilchrist for #1pick 2nd round pick and IT4. Not like they're going anywhere for years to come.

>>78162337
It's a real bastard of a situation to be in. It's hard to blow up a playoff team, especially in a small market like that, and they do have a lot of useful rotation players. The Batum and Zeller contracts are the real killers there.

>>78162055
Howard is a top 10 center.

>>78162666
debatable, post your top 10

>>78162666
>>78162762
Dwight was 9th in WS48, 14th in BPM, and 25th in RPM among centers last year

take that for whatever you think it's worth

>>78162762
Zaza
Horford
Gobert
Tim Duncan
DJ
Horfrod
Embiid
Lopez
Lopez
Howard

>>78162908
>WS48
?

What makes Kawhi a good defender

>>78163063
win shares per 48 minutes

>>78163083
well for one the players voted him best defender in the league so i dont care what anyone else says ill listen to the players

Damian Lillard is one of the most fundamentally sounds players in the league

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>>78163546
>media vs players

hmm

>>78163624
Michael Jordan is the GOAT player and thought that Kwame Brown was good talent. Should we let players decide who's best?