What a joke

Literally everybody that is a real longtime pats fan has always known Tom was only slightly above great-tier. The whole GOAT thing is propped up by bandwaggoners and casuals that can't even name more than 5 players on the team.
Cry more faggot. This changes nothing. Bill is still the greatest coach.

>>78114327
This, we all saw how good Garoppolo looked in the system. Brady is good but it's Bill who got those 5 rings.

>>78114327
This

>>78114327
>Literally everybody that is a real longtime pats fan has always known Tom was only slightly above great-tier. The whole GOAT thing is propped up by bandwaggoners and casuals that can't even name more than 5 players on the team.
The historical revisionism on Brady has been fucking ridiculous. Only in the last 5-6ish years have people really started considering him elite. Clear product of the GOAT system he's in.

>>78114327

LOL

Bill's defense just gave up 42 points. He's a joke GM.

>>78114327
DAMAGE CONTROL

Honestly I'm ok with this because the overrating of Tom has been the most disrespectful thing to the overall team and the various players that all got the team 5 rings.
Tom is a great QB and perfectly adheres to Bill's system, but it's Bill's genious of that system that has brought the team success, and literally even Tim himself has admitted this. So I'm glad we can finally talk about this fact.
As a pats fans, millenials that just wear gronk and brady jerseys and spout do your job memes are the most annoying thing ever

What a shitty performance

I mean he wasn't great but the gameplan was super fucking vertical against a great defense, Gronk was MIA, Edeljew 0.5 got injured, the offense was hastily playing mess

>>78114480
And the other team was 90% nigger so it's an even playing field still.

>>78114444
Quads of truth

>>78114327
>"I.. i never spammed "Brady is the goat" I swear, b.. Bill is the goat"

damn man you're pathetic

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>40 years old
>people think he'll get better as the season goes on

Better hope the wop can save your season, Cheatriots.

>>78114468
And Gronk isn't even close to the best TE ever, he's walking china glass

>>78114420
I still think Brady's best work was carrying that terrible 2011 team to the Owl.

>>78114570
Bill wouldn't even be afraid of benching him if he plays bad.

>>78114420
It's just sad because it's insulting to me as a pats fan from birth.
I fucking love Superbowl 36. It'a my favorite one, but ask most pats """"fans"""" about it and they will spout "Brady's first win babyyyy".
That's not why I love it at all. Brady was at best, mediocre in it. I instead remember the team in red, white, and blue bringing home a much needed win in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the defense stopping Warner, even Brown's 98 yard run that got flagged and taken back. It was a team win.
And honestly that goes for almost all the Oats owls.
I love Tom. He's my QB and I wouldn't want anyone else than number 12 on the field leading the O line, but this "GOAT" shit needs to stop. He never was that good. What he actually is is the perfect fit for the team he's on. And that's what matters

>>78114272
Chefs fan here.

He's waaaay better than peyton

>>78114641
Nah

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>>78114272
>2014
>Getting shit on by Kansas
>Gets benched
>End up losing the match horribly
>Go 2-2
>Everyone calling for his retirement
>End up going on a winning streak
>Win the Superbowl that season
I know that the majority of you are shitposting, but to the retards that genuinely believe Brady is bad now, please consider kys

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>we got rid of carr to keep these receivers

>>78114272
>there wasn't anything positive about anything we did tonight

I like him, he should have retired after the SB like peyton did

>>78114641
Peyton was always better than Tom. But Peyton couldn't be on Bill's team. Oeyton IS whatever offense he is on. He hoes up to the line, shouts 10 things, and runs a play, then he gows back uo the next play, shouts the same 10 things, but they mean completely different things. The man is a mental genious and physical majerty at the position. That wouldn't work on Bill's team where everything comes from the top down. Tom is the only QB that can perfectly adhere to Bill's formula.

People are still comparing Brady to Peyton? The amount of delusion is astonishing.

>>78114728
This.
Peyton was always a better individual player

Peyton is a vetter QB
Brady is a better team player
We have known this for decades, guys. Cmon!

>>78114656
Considering he had to start deflating balls to win, this is not a good argument in his favor.

>>78114444
This Leaf knows. Nice quads.

>>78114272
But no, yeah, he is better than peyton overall. This implosion doesn't change that

>>78114728
Just goes to show how insecure Brady fans really are

>>78114779
As an individual athelete, Peyton is a better player, but for the same reason, Tom will always have the most successful career

You guys watching the post game conf? Fuck I thought belichick was going to pull a bud dwyer, damn

Brady is a great QB but he's not the greatest. However, Bill IS the greatest coach and the pats organization has certainly been the best run over the past 17 years or whatever. I still say you put Rodgers or Peyton on NE over the last decade and the pats have more titles (well not old peyton, I mean prime peyton obviously).

This game was like the first time in what seems like a decade+ where a pats opponent hasn't just wilted in the 4th quarter and given away or squandered a late lead to retarded penalties or prevent defense. I really wish every team that played the pats would actually close the game out like what we just saw (actually continuing to do what is working on offense and defense).

>>78114656
He didn't have Madden curse on him.

>>78114728
Selective memories has always been a thing on /sp/. I remember what happened last time peyton played kc

If you had Rodgers with that defense and that coach you would have the last 8 Super Bowls

>>78114964
Yeah I know Rodgers is so clutch in the playoffs especially conference games the past years

PLOT TWIST

PATRIOTS GO 18-1

THUS MAKING THIS NO LONGER A MEME

SCREENCAP THIS FAGGOTS

chiefs are fucking kryptonite to almost all elite QBs, look at brady/carr/roethlisbergers stats against them

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>>78114609
>Boston suburb
>9/11 attacks

You might have some mental illness man, that's some crazy delusion.

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>>78115009
0-2

>>78115006
>rapistburger
>elite

Brady did fine against a good defense. The chiefs stuffed two 4th and 1 attempts and the pats defense looked like shit. Beli will probably shuffle around a bunch of personnel and by October the ship will be righted.

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>>78115101
>big ben
>not elite

>>78115009
This should be a non- issue. I don't dislike brady enough to pretend I can't see that

>>78115125
>16/36 with 0 (zero) TDs is fine
fucking pats fans

>>78115101
Ben is literally the most talented QB in the AFC, throw him on a team like Philly and they're winning the NFC East, throw on a team like Denver and they're favorites to win the Owl.

>>78115125
>did fine
>zero tds
>16/36
>one scoring drive was two penalties

>>78114996
The difference between Rodgers and Brady in the playoffs is that NE doesn't have retards like Brandon Bostick on the team. That, and they have a coach that can actually make defensive adjustments.

>>78115101
best quarterback in the league besides rodgers or brady. you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

>>78115162
>>78115187
It was about the same as he did against the Texans last year in the divisional round. Gilislee just poached all the tds because the Chiefs kept getting PI calls in the endzone.

>>78115183
>>78115133
>>78115249
He's an old ass average tier QB with the #1 WR and #1 RB in the country who if you had him play QB on like the pats/saints/raiders/lions/packers he would cost the team 2-3 losses a year over those teams current QBs. He's in no way elite.

>>78115292
>poached all the TDs

receivers got open and Brady missed them.

>>78115249
>who is drew brees

>>78115338
Not going to argue this. You're insane for thinking he's average.

Brady haters confirmed for not watching the game.

He got NO protection tonight. ZERO. Hate this fucking O-Line.

>>78114327
The dude literally had like 5-10 seconds per snap to throw the ball.

Pure system baby.

>>78115430
They have a top 10 oline you retard. Brady was constantly overthrowing wide open receivers

>>78115430
Wilson hasn't had protection in five years and he's been alright.

>>78115430
2nd half chiefs were finally getting pressure, first half he had literally 10 seconds to throw every down and was sailing passes all night

>>78115430
>NO protection tonight
he was barely touched until the 4th quarter

>>78115474
The chiefs dbs were holding every play throwing off the timing of the passes. They got a lot of penalties but got away with it enough to win the game

>>78115510
and the refs missed fucktons of holds on the pats o-line

>>78115430
This is honestly the most delusional post i've ever seen. He had like 10 seconds each drop back. Seriously you dont honestly believe this right? HOLY FUCKING CHRIST

>>78115510
You missed Houston getting a hand in his facemask or held by the shoulder pads every other snap I guess

>>78115430
Are you kidding? Let's be honest, I agree he is goat, but tonight's problem was not the o. He was shooting blind.

>>78114272
>overrated
>50 tds to 8 ints with 4,800 yards and a 16-0 record
Not even a Brady fagboi but that was probably they best regular season anyone has or ever will do

>>78115615
You're crazy if you think that will last, the game is moving towards even more offense and I'm pretty sure we're gonna see a 6000 yd/60 TD passer in the next decade

>>78114609
>Boston
>9/11
Are you fucking retarded?

>>78115562
This was the case until the end. The O-lone seemed to quit on him in the 4th.

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>>78115561
>>78115583
New refs when?

>>78115658
thats not now NY/BOS works. rivals are bros in times of trial.

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>>78115655
>we're gonna see a 6000 yd/60 TD passer in the next decade

>next decade
>not THIS season

>>78115661
it's almost like dudes who are 300+ lbs with no rotations start getting tired after smashing into other 300+ lb dudes for 45 minutes

>>78115355
stat padding in a dome with a division that cant play defense doesnt make you good.

>>78115707
Titans defense is too average though, it's going to be like Rodgers, Carr or Brees this season just because they'll have to be in shootouts every game.

>>78115655
Alex Smith is currently on pace for just that.

>>78115338
lmao, he had his second best season with santonio fucking holmes and one of the worst offensive line in the league. god forbid the steelers actually put some talent around him at the end of his career.

btw, ben is younger than brees and only 1 year older than rodgers. he hasnt shown any signs of age yet.

>>78115715
It's still true. It's not an excuse, it is what it is.

One mediocre game and the sky is falling. what I saw was Alex smith punching above his weight class in a desperate bid to stay the starter and a rookie with a breakout game. It's still going to be the patriots rolling through through the playoffs with only the seahawks having the possibility to take them down.

>>78115811
isn't that kind of why games get more wild in the 4th quarter, like the cornerbacks and offensive line are all gassed so you get more open receivers but also more free rushers on the QB

>>78114272
They take Ls in the beginning of the season all the time. Who fucking cares.

13-3 calling it now

>>78115881
Exactly. They were in much better shape than the patriots tonight.

>>78115868
>seahawks
Why do ppl still fall for this meme?

>>78115868
>falcons
>broncos on the road
>steelers on the road
>raiders in mexico

hell even the bucs/panthers/saints games look a little scary now with the shitshow the defense but on tonight

>>78115868
this might be true if only because of the Pats division

>>78115920
>only ones to beat Brady-led pats last year
>defensive line just got more scary with Richardson
>although not their best defensive backs they still hold a solid secondary
when was this ever a meme? about the only thing holding shitttle back is their o-line which is slightly improved over last year.

>>78115987
seattle's whole offense is shit. they're a passing offense with a terrible o-line and no receivers outside of baldwin.

and this aint the 2014 seattle defense either.

>>78115338
Dude I don't think you realize how bad those Steelers teams were 4 and 5 years ago. Everyone else on the team was either ancient, inexperienced, or shit, and he carried them to 8 wins. He's one of those QB's that no matter how bad the rest of the team is, you're still guaranteed to not have a losing season. No doubt he's still elite.

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Is Tom Brady still elite?

it's time to trade Brady and fire Belichick i sick of these bums

>>78115430
Brady hater false flagging 2bh.

He was never a good qb. Always carried by his defense

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Is he, dare I say, back to being...Brady T?

>>78115794
>he hasnt shown any signs of age yet.

You mean besides missing like four games a year and publicly saying he's considering retirement?

>>78117030
Bens missed less time in the past few years compared to early in his career. And he hasn't seriously contemplated retirement, that was manufactured espn off season click bait.

>loses 1 game
>LMAOOO DA BUM IS WASHED UP RETIRE DA OL MAN LMAO GET KEKED BRADY IS SHIT LMAO

>>78120934
You summed up the reality of the situation quite well, that is exactly what he is.

>>78114444
Quadruple knowlege bomb

>>78114327
lol nice b8, got a lot of (You)'s

>>78114272
Still better than Peyton Manning at the Super Bowl lmao, fucking faggot you suck

>>78114609

I'll toss a pity (you) your way for that weak 9/11 drop.

>>78122661
That was literally the entire aesthetic of sb36 tho. They even had all the names roll down a screen during the half time show

>>78114272
All it proved is that he's an Edelman babby.

>>78114656
>End up losing the match horribly
>the match
what the FUCK is wrong with you

THIS GUY IS A CHEATER

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Worst thread on /sp/ in weeks, well done lads.

Also Brady is the undisputed GOAT, 4 out of 5 superbowl wins were later games comebacks led by Tom Brady.

>>78114272
Chiefs have been strong the past few years. It was an upset, obviously, but to treat the Chiefs as if they're a college football team is not accurate.

>>78122918
>undisputed
That's objectively not true

>>78123062
It's objectively true

>>78114501
What's that supposed to mean? I hate to break this to you but NBA isn't the only sport blacks dominate.

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>>78114272
DUSTY OLD RINGS

FULL OF

GREEN DUST

>>78114609
>bringing home a much needed win in the wake of the 9/11 attacks
Boston needed a 9/11 win exactly as much as Florida or Washington state.

Pats defense sucked and has sucked since 2010. Lucky picks here and there but you are retarded if you believe belicucks system has a solid defense. They always relied on bradys ability for the last quarter drive.

Thatd what happens when you keep letting go of your defense every bowl win. Got greedy and got caught slipping. Now new talent comes in and rapes your D and well blame the next loss on "lack of adjustments"

It says something when KANSAS goes on a 4th quarter run. Hahah pats getting old and the 1 trick pony of leave it to brady is dying...

Im gonna love shitting on the pats entire rebuild decade soon. Save this post.

>>78115442

And yet he consistently releases the ball in like 3.3-3.5 seconds

>>78114272
this guy is gonna wish he retired on top. now he's in for a couple of 6-10 seasons and a slow fade into obscurity.

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>>78114272

>1 bad game with tons of injuries, tons of flags, shit defense, leads offtense to 27 points

The disgusting amount of irrational, vitriolic pieces of trash who follow this sport just blow my mind.

It's absolutely incredible. This is what pathological denialism looks like.

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>>78127718

Imagine being this delusional.

When do you stupid fucks ever learn? You've been overreacting with these garbage hot-takes for the last 4 years. Literally. Since the 20-fucking-13 season.

>he's literally 36 he's going to fall off
>he's literally 37 he's finally falli-- oh fuck he made the Super Bowl and won it. hold up let's switch the narrative to he's a "cheater"
>he's literally 38 he's going to fall off
>he's literally 39 he's going to fa- oh fuck he won another Super Bowl in legendary fashion
>he's literally 40 he's falling off i'm finally right even though it's been just 1 regular season game since the legendary Super Bowl win yea he's totally done especially because 40 is such a magic number with a literal wall that will magically make him stop playing well! told you losers!

NFL fans are such vile cancers. My God.

I can't wait do be finished paying attention to this sport. Makes me feel dirty just for associating with something that so many other disgustingly dumb people also associate with.

Once Brady and Belichick retire with 5, 6, 7 or 8 rings, however many it ends up being, I'll gladly stop watching. Nothing will ever top this run anyway.

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>>78114609

You made it too obvious that you're a Jets fan trying to act as a Pats fan.

Nice try.

>>78128768
>hold up let's switch the narrative to he's a "cheater"

people have called brady and the pats cheaters since 2007 my canadian friend.

>>78114327
>real longtime pats fan has always known Tom was only slightly above great-tier

I thought the same thing during the dynasty years, but then 2007, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, and 2016 happened.

Can someone explain to me the whole Brady is great because of Belichick thing? Didn't Peyton and Montana both have hall of fame coaches? Its not like Tony Dungy or Bill Walsh weren't incredible coaches themselves. I doubt either of those two qbs would have had as good careers as they did without those kinds of coaches.

>>78115661
Too bad Brady quit on his o line the entire game. They're out there busting ass to protect that douchbag and he airmails every pass. At least Rodgers makes up to his o line by performing god like acts.

>>78134700
Belichick has given Brady a great D nearly every year while also putting HOF weapons on offense for him. Also Belichicks coaching style allows a less talented QB to be very successful.

>>78134700
Please don't ridicule yourself by comparing Dungy and the fucking front office of Indianapolis with Belichick (Yes, Belichick also works as the GM)

I appreciate whoever keeps bumping this thread. You can literally feel the anxiety it's causing for a certain fanbase every time they see it in the catalog.

>>78127545
>Defensive plays wins the Super Bowl vs Seattle.
>Defense holds the best offense in the season and league MVP to 21 points, not even allowing a FG in thw last +30 minutes.
Kill yourself dipshit.

>>78115009
Who cares, Brady's team carried him to more SB victories than Peyton.

>>78134700
Dungy wasn't a great coach, you can argue he wasn't even a good coach

Tbh for you anti Pats fans this is the worst thing that could have happened. Punished Brady is unstoppable. I bet he's going to drop 500 yards and 5 TDs next weekend.

>>78114272

I agree with you OP. This ONE regular season game PROVED that brady is a FRAUD, that his five super bowl wins are a FARCE, that his record playoff wins are a FLUKE, and that his consistent excellence over 15 years has been COMPLETE LUCK.

>>78135315
No, just has more to do with Belichick and his staff

>>78135324

No doubt. QBs are meaningless and their abilities have zero impact on a team's performance. All that matters is the coaching.

43-8

>>78135346
You're pretty good at shoving words in people's mouths aren't you?

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>>78135362

Not as good as i am at shoving my cock down your mom's throat

>>78135240
I don't know, the Tampa 2 alone kind of justifies his HoF recognition. Baron mind he took over some horrific D's in Tampa and Indy and completely turned them around. Everybody knows Gruden won that Owl with Dungy's system.

>>78123324
>GOAT
>Choked away two Super Bowls
>Sub 90 career passer rating in playoff games

lel

>>78127545
>Pats defense sucked and has sucked since 2010.
The Patriots have had a top 10 defense 7 of the last 8 seasons

>>78135426

>gets to 7 super bowls
>wins 5 of them
>not good enough for this asshole

I bet the most you've achieved this week is walking to the fridge to grab another mountain dew

>>78135462
But I bet he hasn't choked in any Super Bowls

>>78135462
The only Super Bowl you could really argue Tom Brady won by himself was 51. The others would have been impossible without Viniteri or the defense.

>>78135489
>>78135491

the american education system, ladies and gentlemen

>>78135507
>using team accomplishments to rate an individual player
America wins again baby.

>>78135518

Tell me, which player has been the ONE constant from the pats' first super bowl win to its most recent?

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The bullshit blunder in Seattle and the blown lead in SF years back, all years since Superbowl vs. Vikes....Drew Brees has been banging his head against a wall, record setting air attack, last season NOLA lost 5 or 6 games by a total of 14pts. 2 touchdowns.....defensive incompetence threw his effort out the window. Hope that man gets a good season this year. 3rd all time in everything. Manning holds the single season air record over him by one yard. Brees/Brady will retire, Rodgers has plenty left in the tank. Rodgers, Carr, Marriota, Ryan in shadows. Winston, Goff, Stafford and Luck have a bit of a window. Brady is a badass but I will always hate him and he has nightmares of the game in the snow vs. Raiders. Knows it was a fumble. Can't wait for OAK to get their hands on him later this year.

I don't even watch football, but I don't know why /sp/ feels the need to invalidate a person's entire career via "EXPOSED" threads and the like after one loss.

>>78129094
>people have called brady and the pats cheaters since 2007 my canadian friend.
Gee wonder why, they've only literally been caught cheating multiple times.

>>78135593
You never put the Pats out after one loss of course, but this was big game for the Chiefs, 4 thru the air and 2 on the ground. Well balanced attack.

>>78135570
Let's see what happens when the team doesn't have Tom Brady. Last season they went 3-1 without Tom Brady. In 2008 they went 11-5 with Matt fucking Cassell, and I promise you that after this year when Brady retires they'll still be a playoff contender with Jimmy G. Brady is a great quarterback sure but is he the reason the Patriots have 5 Superbowls? No it's Bill Belicheck, considering he's been the coach for longer than Toms tenure and the GM for most of it. Almost every important decision is made by Bill, not Tom. Anybody who gives most of the credit to Tom doesn't know how important a good coach/GM is to a team's success.

>>78135675
>Last season they went 3-1 without Tom Brady. In 2008 they went 11-5 with Matt fucking Cassell

You're ignoring the circumstances that led to those records. Jimmy G looks like he's a pretty decent qb in his own right and they won a game without him because the Texans were woeful.

In 2008 they have a piss easy schedule and got demolished by any team with a winning record.

>>78135733
That may be true but the fact the team doesn't completely fall apart when Tom has to leave kinda of says something. I mean the team clearly doesn't play as well but it still runs. When Peyton left Indy the team collapsed. When Derek Carr got injured the Raiders collapsed. Those guys run the team. A lot of Partriots plays are designed. It's pretty rare to see a broken play where Tom really has to improvise.He also doesn't audible to much except to put a man in motion to check for zone or man. Tom Brady is a system baby. But he's the GOAT system baby and he's really good at reading a defense. But if you asked him to do what Peyton or Aaron Roders does he almost certainly couldn't pull it off.

>>78135798
Defense wins games, they were highest scoring D last yr and have been one of the best for a long time. Not to mention a division that has been asleep on it's back guaranteeing 6-0 or 5-1 every yr.

>>78114272
how many superb owls have the chiefs won?

>>78136000

lol got trips.

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>>78135675
They missed the playoffs in 08 you fucking mong.

I'm not a fan of Brady's, but pretending he's anything other than the greatest or one of the greatest is fucking retarded. On the extremely rare occasions when he has a bad game everyone comes out of the woodwork to say he sucks and is overrated, it's fucking pathetic.

deflatriots

>>78136046
11 wins gets you in 99 out of 100 they should have been in there

>>78135110
In both of peytons wins his defence carried him and his stats were garbage.

>>78114420
so in 2007 when he threw 50 fucking touchdowns people didn't consider him elite? this thread is already retarded and I've scrolled down 4 comments