>e-sports are a sp- *inhales* BAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAAAHAHHAHAH

>>77965916
That certainly has to be a bullshit reason. The real one is

>c-computer games?? COMPUTER GAMES??? HAHGAHAHAHAHAHAQHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>3 HOURS CONTINUOUS UNIRONIC LAUGHTER

>>77965916
you nigger nobody who likes esports dont want it in sports becaus it isnt... the only people who are pushing it are your retarded american libtards who have no idea what esports is, they are just trying to ruin anything traditional so they could feel smug and progressive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f85kWTiSue4

>tfw no esports 15 years ago

I'd been a fucking professional if they played COD2 or Spearhead or BF1942 or even the first MOH reboot.

>>77966099
None of those were competative.

>>77966049
someone should just slit his throat, oh sorry, guess I was a little mean there.

>>>/v/

>>77965916
imagine if you took any real sport and changed the basic rules, equipments or apparels every 6 months. Of course that sounds silly
>size of goals is now twice as big
>ball is different form
>number of players halved
>plays 120 minutes instead of 90
That's the way e-"sports" work

>the olympic committee officially considered e-sports
>apparently considering sports simulators?
kill me

>DOTA and CS:GO are not sports
>but different kinds of running, jumping and swimming on a straight line is
okay

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Is gamer an athlete?

>>77969539
That's correct, you stupid monkey.

>>77965916
desu I feel more entertained watching some esports matches than actual football

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>>77969563
Thank you, american. Your insights are always so profound and smart I feel obliged to remove myself from this discussion.

>>77965916
>Shooting virtual people is considered violent
>Shooting real life targets is considered an olympic sport

>>77969575
Good, go back to your hovel and ponder on how retarded you are, Da Silva.

Kappa E S P O R T S KappaPride

>>77969561
just imagine these fucking nerds at the olympic village, we need a virgin e-thelete vs chad at the olympic village

>>77969592
I was being ironic, I don't regard americans as humans.

>>77966099
casualdwooty isnt an esport

>>77969614
It's a good thing nobody asked for your subhuman opinion then.

>>77969578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man1oy4Xh_0

>>77969657
Good dog, have a cookie.

i genuinely don't know how retarded you have to be to consider '''''''''''''''''''''''esports''''''''''''''''''''' sports or even want to watch such a fucking cringefest of gooks, nerds and faggots playing at the olympics

i cringe every time i accidentally catch some tournament, make it be of those MOBAs, FPS or whatever the shit

t. guy who spent a fair share of free time playing video games

>>77969668
>i cringe every time i accidentally catch some tournament, make it be of those MOBAs, FPS or whatever the shit
Then why do you watch it?

>>77965916
Wish they would just call it degenerate, now there will 'debates' on why they aren't

>>77969561
I can just feel the autism

>>77969561
it was physically painfull

>>77969680

i don't

Definition of accidental
1
a : occurring unexpectedly or by chance an accidental discovery Their meeting was purely accidental.
b : happening without intent or through carelessness and often with unfortunate results The death was ruled accidental.
2
: arising from extrinsic causes : incidental, nonessential
3
of a bird : appearing outside its normal geographic range, migration route, or season

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accidental

>>77969539
> sitting on your ass in front of a screen is a sport
well fuck, we're all athletes here then

>>77969698
How do you accidentally watch esports tournaments? Do you accidentally type twitch.tv on your browser? Do you accidentally turn on TV and put it on the channel broadcasting it? Do you accidentally buy tickets for ESL tournaments and accidentally enter the arena to accidentally watch it?

i know some weeb that thinks esports are the same as a real sport
"it takes the same amount of effort"
yeah dude? how many hours did you spend in the gym?
this is almost as retarded as calling a video game streamer an 'entertainer'

>click hidden posts
>some mud monkey sperging out
>hes just upset he doesnt have clean water

>>77969709
shitposting competition when?
will there be weight categories?

>>77969725
Americans will dominate all classes above 180lbs. Because they are fat.

>>77969723
>this is almost as retarded as calling a video game streamer an 'entertainer'
I don't see the issue. If reality tv can be considered legit entertainment, why can't this? They're both stupid shit, just different flavours

>>77969722
> Do you accidentally turn on TV

actually yes, one of polish broadcasters who specialises in broadcasting sports (ligue 1, la liga, bundesliga, some minor shit leagues like dutch league, etc., 90% footy related) decided to broadcast some DOTA tournament

god it was a painful 5 minutes of watch because i couldn't believe what i'm seeing

>>77969561
That was horrific

>>77969723
>how many hours did you spend in the gym?
How many hours per day do those fellas whose job is just to shoot a target? Is an air pistol a athlete now?

>>77969575
This was a Canadian tho

>>77969539
I think we would do pretty well if shiposting was considered a sport.

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>>77969539
What a fucking deluded monkey. Sitting and moving a mouse around and pressing some keys is not a sport.

>>77969732
> 180 lbs is heavy.
Pussy nigga detected.

5'7 /fit/ bro. 180 lbs. Don't be such a pussy. Tack on some mass.

>>77969725

underrated

>>77969768
you need to actually have food first before that happens

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>>77969768
DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO?

>>77969732
Some strayans will get obese on purpose just so they can dominate americans there.

>>77969774
Kek
>>77969785
> imagine being this upset because you're a starving hue hue and upset people don't think video games are sports.
Let's laugh at him.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>77969774
>He doesn't like sopa de macao

UMA

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>>77969774

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>>77969774

I watch a lot of esports I honestly dont care if its a considered a regular sport or not, and in my opinion it's not.

But then if golf or formula 1 or fucking crossbow precision contest whatever it is shouldnt be considered a sport either

>>77969815
People actually eat like this in other countries. And they get mad at first world anglo nations for being fat. Maybe if their """"""""food"""""" didn't taste like shit they would eat more.

>>77969856
>taste like shit
For me, it's sopa de macaco. Uma delícia!

>>77969738
>go to friends house
>watch him play a video game
>hes now an entertainer

theyre good at what they do, theyre professionals!
>hey guys its thanks for your money sunday again
>lets try out this new game
>spend 45 minutes configuring settings
>15 minutes playing
>good game guys, thanks for the money again btw lol

mfw theres literally 15 new hidden posts, monkeys still sperging

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>>77969561
They are trying failing to emulate the Starcraft Chads of yesteryear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r7BB78mk34

>>77969929
wow, it actually all makes sense now, thanks for linking that
too bad majority of the american esport guys are either just brain dead pot heads/socially awkward/morbidly obese

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>>77969768
>5'7 /fit/ bro. 180 lbs

notice how he had to get in his little manlet measurements when nobody asked. typical of his kind

>>77969941
>go to /fit/
>at first, think you are in /r9k/
>realise you are actually in a /r9k/ where cardio is forbidden

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>>77969941

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>>77969959
yeah /fit/ gets routinely humiliated

>>77969988
woah........so this is.....the power of autism

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>>77969988

>>77969988
5'3" lmao, those digits lmao, that picture ahahahahaa

>>77969829
but you see, when you play golf or archery, what you're doing is actually, you know, happening. in real life.

>>77969988
This is one of the best pics I've ever seen in 4chan, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8sXaQuF5o

>>77970077
Why is this distinction important

>>77969561
Xbg's facial hair are so awful I actually like them.

>>77970174
Because playing snake II in your celphone is not actual physical activity.

>>77969723
>this is almost as retarded as calling a video game streamer an 'entertainer'
They are though, they entertain people.

>>77970128
>A fat fuck laughing at fat fucks
I can see why you're an Halal fan now, subhuman

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>>77965954
>>77965916
The real real reason: nobody would want to learn the rules of a particular esport, especially people over the age of 16
Imagine some fucking MOBA shit, or even an FPS, nobody would understand what's going on or what the objectives are and would switch the channel in 30 seconds
Sport sims are however different, if you brainwash your dad a little bit he would be able to watch FIFA or something because they're already familiar with that, and the Olympic comittee understands this
It just happens that "non-violent" vidya happens to be the one that could sell to non video gamers

>>77969531
it's called the olympic games, not the olympic sports. painting was fucking an olympic discipline.

>>77970218
entertainer is a TITLE that you give to someone who dedicated their life to learning the craft. people who sit around in their mom's house recording video games are people who sit around in their mom's house recording video games.

>>77969739
what do you mean you couldn't believe it? it's not supposed to depict reality, you have to use imagination. it always helps me to remember im staring at a computer screen and there's a world beyond it but the computer is a whole different world. this helps with believing something is actually there, whether it's fantasy or not

>>77970218
>>77970494
destiny is an entertainer. few other exceptions, right?

>>77970473
I understand painting being an olympic discipline, but chess makes no sense at all.

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>>77969502
you're absolutely retarded
the basics and fundamental rules of the games barely change

>>77969941
The berserk part got me crying
>fools, they've only made him stronger

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>>77969561
Samsara best boy. He'll die from playing too much vidya and get transported into an edgy isekai world.

>>77969739
>accidentally watched
>for 5 minutes
Only thing worse than an autistic manchild is a self-hating autistic manchild

all these ignorent posts ITT. try speedrunning oot and going for wr, making twenty attempts daily, every day, for years. the dextroity you need for that is enormes and most top athletes wouldnt have what it takes to make an intense 17:30 min run without a singel error. intelligence, speed, good decision making, mentality,,thats all you need in e-sport's and in much larger scale then any normal sport.

>>77971469
exploiting glitches isn't speedrunning, it's called being a faggot who has an enormous amount of free time on his hands.

>>77971469
3/10 bait
Speedruns are not esports

>>77971399

you'd know, wouldn't you

>>77969941
>>77971209
>"but it keeps eating the burnt shit at the bottom of the oven so instead of starving it's thriving"
i would definitely be rooting for the rat in the film adaptation

>>77971469
>speedrunning
>sitting down
Pick 1

>>77971518
Yes, I hate you too

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>>77971469
>speedrunning
forcing me to post the classic. apologies for annoying rewind sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H50nqenYMDM

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>>77971743
also, the most tragic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKiocK59EBY

>>77966833

games are built up to be competitive these days, if esports existed 15 years ago games made 15 years ago would be made to be competitive

fucking dumb leaf

>>77971655
>rooting for the jew

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>>77971940
This is the best post I've seen in months, it's actually genius, the whole thing gets a new fucking meaning
If the pasta actually meant that originally then it's just amazings

>>77972051
Saved to my exotic (you)s folder

It's gonna happen eventually. Esports have actually grown way faster than I ever anticipated. I knew even back in the early 2000s that they will get big but didn't imagine it would be this fast.

Literally every 25 year old and under is as familiar with esports as anything else. Give it another 10-20 years and they will be completely mainstream.

>>77969561
EscA is cute. CUTE!

>>77965916
Nothing at the Olympics are a sport. They're games. That's why they're called Olympic Games.

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>>77969561
>Heh. Nothing personnel, kid.

LOL GETTING BTFO LIKE ZERG RUSH

SoKo denied another medal HAHAHAHAAHAH

http://www.strawpoll.me/13840155

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>>77969561
How many pussies will this guy get at the 2024 olympics?

>>77970301
>Imagine some fucking MOBA shit

Fucking this. Just getting into the game and understanding it on surface level takes retarded amounts of time and if you miss a couple monthly patches, you'll be reading patch notes for another eternity.

t. Bronze V in LoL

>allowing a sport where being black isn't an advantage into the olympics

USA will never allow this.

I'd like this to happen just to watch the US/Chinese/Russian government investing Money into CS:GO players in gold medal race

Imagine US bitching of Russia hacking when they win

>RUSSIAAAAAAAAA
>xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa

>>77979027

It's ok, e-sports is azn territory anyway. Waito piggu btfo again.

>>77969785
Are you trying to make /sp/ see us as even bigger retards? Fucking hell.

>>77971469
bad bait

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>>77969941
>>77969988
/fit/ humor thread?

>>77966099
You could have played Brood War.

The major issue is that the Olympic committee would have to make their own Olympic esports video game for it to even work. They aren't going to use a fucking copyrighted game in the Olympics

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>tfw threads like this pop up you always /r/ the video of that Chad literally laughing in the faces of the neckbeards he's interviewing at some esports event and you can tell the female presenter's undergarments are literally sopping at how alpha he is

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>>77969502
Not all of them.

Videogames are literally designed for children, too young to compete in an Olympic event. Furthermore, you can't have an event where a fucking bug is going to completely change the outcome.

Accepting that I've grown out of games has been the best thing that's happened to me. I play the rare strategy game (none of the new ones) and I have a Switch now, but that's it and that's all anyone can really justify having.

cant wait to watch olympic 2k instead of actual olympic basketball

damn imagine 1.6 at the olympics a decade ago, our dude markeloff would've gotten all the golds for sure

>>77969697

4u

Can you imagine CS:GO as an Olympic event? The terrorist memes would be fucking fantastic.

>>77986402
>Accepting that I've grown out of games
>I play the rare strategy game (none of the new ones) and I have a Switch now
>That's it I swear!
No but really same here. Mostly old RTS titles whenever I have time.

>>77986402
>Accepting that I've grown out of games has been the best thing that's happened to me.
yet here you are posting on 4chan
face it, your life is shit with or without video games lol

>>77965916
>the 3d model of Messi recks Tsu in the e""sport"" final
>people actually use the performances of the 3d engine and the gamer as banter material for real players

>>77986542
ANELE

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>>77969561
>Samsara

>>77971793
Fucking beta fags.

>vidya is violent
>boxing and martial arts is not

>esports is nothing but whites and asians
>sports are now all nig
I can see why the powers that be hate esports because it doesn't promote niggerdom love.

>>77986542
GO IN ALL SNEEKY PEEKY LIKE

>>77971793
Is she crying?

>>77969561
Honestly, if the peolpe running this shit had asked me to do a EPIC POSE XD, when going out on stage, I would have just quit desu

>>77985881
where is it

Problem is the games are still the intellectual property of the publisher and shitty companies ruin games (see Starcraft 2).

It's hindering competitive gaming a lot.

>>77985881
link

>>77990432
fighting games have a lot of black players

>>77990995
I wouldnt mind SC2 at the Olympics. It's one if the few intellectually challenging games being played competitively.

>>77966049
based

booger eaters btfo

>>77965916
Why don't they called it e-Competition

>>77994550
this. or something neutral like e-games, e-battles etc. calling this sport is really pushing the limit.

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>>77994508

>booger eaters btfo

why did this made me laugh

>>77971793
No idea what's going on here

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>>77969561

what the fuck is wrong with millenials

>>77969988
He's kind of wrong though. There is an international standard for knob placement, but it actually gives a 14 inch tolerance between 34 and 48 inches.

>>77993598
>SC2
dude no...

>>77966049
The Street Fighter finals on EVO got more viewers than Red Sox vs Yankees that was on at the same time. eSports is growing bigger and bigger every year and there is nothing you or some smug sports radio host can do about it. Really, what is the difference between paying people massive amounts of money to shoot a ball through a hoop, or paying a person massive amounts of money to shoot people in a 3D world? Both are getting payed exuberant amounts of cash to play kids games.

>>77997236

stfu ameriburguer

>>77969502
what the fuck are you talking about

>>77997337
That's not an argument

can esports even be sports if black people aren't good at them

>>77997620
There are some decent fighting game players that are black.

If they have esports in the Olympics, they'll have to have female versions as well.

>>77997857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7onpZl0tayA

>>77997942
i will not go beyond the thumbnail.

>>77971743

The speedrunner was in the wrong.

>>77998040
Long story short, they were the first all-girl pro LoL team. They disbanded because they couldn't get along and one of the girls was getting bullied by the other 4.

>>77997410
kys amerifat

>>77969785
>benching 1/10th of your bw
lel

>>77998243
I'm 5'11 178lbs... that isn't fat and I bet you're fatter than I.

>>77998316
>fat manlet
embarrassing

>>77966049
my sides, stacies will always hate nerds

>>77998474
she didn't say anything negative though

>>77965916
I dont even mind esports, and think they're totally valid and competitive. But they dont belong in the olympics

>Manipulating 1s and 0s is on par to people at their physical peek competing relying on their own physical abilities

Can't wait to hear stories of e-sports 'athletes' being on the 15 day DL with wrist issues

>>77969561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUfLOsrzfU

Reminds me of these

>>77966049
How will Spencer ever recover?

>>77970301
I used to be anti esports but I realised how much fucking bullshit there is in the Olympics and in the sports community. For example I tried watching olympic fighting like tkd, judo and wrestling but holy shit that stuff is literally unwatchable. Especially judo. I would argue it's easier to watch Dota as a casual than judo.

Theres a lot more retarded stuff than esports which are somehow sports. At least people on this website would have a very basic understanding of how esports even if it isn't that interesting.

>>77990939
>>77993273
I meant to say I request it and it never gets posted. It used to get posted on /tv/ all the time. The presenter treats it like it's one big joke and he can't take them seriously. It's fantastic.

>>77978917
Lets see here

If someone competent was running said event, they would give a short rundown of the game so people know what they are seeing, then before the matches start, players say what they are using to officials, and they give a quick rundown of what said characters can do.

you join half way though, well that's your fault.

you want young people to watch tv, you got to appeal to them.

>>77998944
a very basic layman rundown of the games so people know the goals and objectives is simple, nuance is what commentators are for.

>>77970301
>>77998944
Oh and just to follow up on previous post. CSGO is probably one of the easiest esports to explain to any normie. Probably even easier than many "sports" Side A has 8 guys. Side B has 8 guys. The team that is left standing wins since most of the time, they use bomb mission as VIP and hostages are for fagets. Anyone up to age 40 probably played an FPS and many probably played CS before.

>>77966049
There were people scoffing at the idea of people getting payed to play baseball. In about 20 years, we'll have a tv channel dedicated to eSports events and tournaments.

>>77971469
>speedrunning
lol

This is your sport for tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WotPzG2nys

>>77969561
>esca knows how cringey it is and just wants to get it over and done with
based

>>77969929
Goddamn why was BW so fucking amazing and every other esport so shit?

>>77969561
>Seagull with the Hanzo bow. Dope

I do agree that shit like Hearthstone shouldn't be an eSport.

E-sports is like baseball, theyre more like games or competitions than actual sports. Any "sport" where you can eat in the middle of it in regular intervals is not a sport.

>>77969561
Seagull is a stealth Chad.

>>78001645
You can't eat while playing MOBA's or FPS's competitively.

>>77969612
>e-thelete
I like it

>>77965916
>tfw pays and feefur olympic games
finally i can be an athlete too

>>77969561
asia was a mistake

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>>77969575
>Cherry pick the worst possible example

Here's a typical Brazilian for
>(You)
then

>gayming
>sport
Nice one

>>78001645
so football and basketball aren't sports either?

>>78005514
t. not human, ignored

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we have motor sports stuff already

why not add a "hoverboard" event?

>>78006393
what olympic event is a motorsport?

>>77969561
They're so ugly they look like fucking Oblivion NPCs

>>78006393
Cause you already posted the all-time world champion R2-Dindu and nobody wants to challenge him.

>>77986402
>a fucking bug is going to completely change the outcome
>acting like refs/judges don't already change the outcome of olympic sports

>>77966049
>it gets bigger than the superbowl in other countries
Anything is bigger than the superbowl in other countries. Even my tiny dick.

>>77996990
The guy is so short that he probably can't even look through the peep hole without some kind of step stool. I wouldn't be surprised if he's shorter than 5', tbqh.

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>>77969561
>the average /v/ user

>>77969988
>That feel when you're an out of shape motherfucker but you're taller than what a lot of /fit/ pretends to be.

Honestly why not. It's called the Olympics games after all. Also needs chess, chess-boxing and tug o'war

>>77996990
I'm pretty sure there's a standard height for doors. Should've just measured relative to the top of the door

>>77969561
esca pulls all the whore guaranteed

>>78013282
6'8"

>>77965954
wrong. Olympics haven't let chess into the Olympics because it is too violent.

>inhales
No one breathes in before they laugh, unless they're fake laughing.

>e-"sports"
Topkek. Why the fuck they keep using that word. It's a videogame.

>>78013850
If they called it eComps (short for Electronic Competitions) would people stop bitching about it?

>Gayming
>sport

Get off the couch and practice an actual sport, you autistc fucks

lmao

>>>/v/ideogames

>>77965916
half of /v/ must be in tears, it was their only hope to ever feel like real athletes

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>vidya BTFO

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>>78008747
it's funny how often /v/ rips on /sp/ for being
>dude bros
>kpop fans

how the fuck can you be like this and think you're not full potato.

>>77965916
What the ass?

>>77969988
Even without the math, you can tell he's a manlet; he's shorter than the fucking eyehole.

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>>78014144
b-b-b-but our reflexes and quick thinking!

>>78014041
Actually there was relief cause we knew what a backlash and laughing stock it would be.

>>78014144
>getting laid is more of a sport than videogames

>>77965916
If esports aren't a sport then why is this thread still up on the sports board?

Checkmate atheists

I would agree, but the have archery and riflery which are basically the pre computer version of esports. A sport which requires no endurance or ability to move around is splitting hairs from an esport.

>>77966049
fuck colin and erin (i wish i could black erin) that gg moment was hyope as fuck

also why is the fgc always the face of shitting on esports

we are actually homegrown and not full blow corporate

we should ge trespect

we didn't want to go esports, but folks gotta get paid

>>77965916
>allows boxing
>A VIDEO GAME IS TOO VIOLENT

>>77969502
Also, sports do change minor (sometimes not so minor) rules constantly and every world cup is a different ball

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This is a pro cs-go players.

You could take him down right anon? I mean he's just a nerd playing video games.

>>78014606
>bo endurance or ability

i found the libcuck whose never fired a arrow
or let off 1000 rounds before

kek

bros
lets create our own E-lympics
and get everything trademarked
then when its really popular

we will have the last laughs

>>78015228
>hot air roid muscles
>wrists of a child
>literally the chin of a woman

HOLY FUCK BUHAHAHAHAJAJAHA

>>78013850
>>78013970
the only people that use that word are normies that look in from the outside anyway or companies trying to get inside and scam money from people

>>78015228
pasha is the dumbest tier 1 pro and I love him

>>78015298
so you could take him down?

>>78015316
how is he dumb?

he's a funny guy but i wouldnt say he's dumb

>>77965954
you didn't read that very closely, son
sports computer games are go

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>>77970473
>>77970565
painting is not a fucking game ffs

>>77970077
>>77970211
>>77970174
The Laws of Physics are just as concrete as video game mechanics. The only difference is the format...using hands on a limited controller or using your body.

>>77986402
Sports are designed for children too

>>78015241
You realize 110 pound korean girls always dominate womens archery right? pulling a compound bow is not hard at all
firing 1000 rounds from a sport rifle is also not a big deal
you're retarded
chess is a sport, curling is a sport, esports might as well be a sport

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WHY NOT BOARD GAMES
IT WOULD BE AWESOME
better than watching PED's-loaded ostriches prancing around the fucking track.

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>>78015287
yes, yes, EA and the there wouldn't have patents and trademarks and shit.
great idea, they'll never know what him 'em!

Board games + video sims would make for a much better Olympics.

>>77997236
Baseball works on regional T.V. deals, not national, you fucking dolt

>>78015405
you probably suck at painting

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>>78015485
heh
i'm actually an actual artist

>>78015533
you'll never make it to the olympics with paintings like that

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>the most athletic person to ever compete in professional esports is Gordon Hayward

/scv/ runs this bitch

>>77966099
i would have absolutely destroyed you in cod2

>>77966099
there was gamebattles

>>78015563
his streams were great

>>77970494
>entertainer is a TITLE that you give to someone who dedicated their life to learning the craft
acording to who dipshit? Jesus fuck is a verb not a noun

>>78015473
Sure. Except that it was on ESPN and it was the Sunday Night Baseball game of the week.

The Only game that literally made you sweat like a motherfucking workout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpaT5cbCIZM

Notice how the top players were ripped eastern european badboys.

Modern gaming is for casual normies and mouthbreating losers.

>>77966049
I don't get why these people can't accept esports is a thing now.
There is an inherent value to actual sports in terms of health, but from a strategic and competetive standpoint esports offer a lot more than traditional sports.
Also kind of funny that the"nerds" they are making fun off are way richer and way more famous than these washed up retards.