Zero (0) suspensions for cheating

>>77722708
ZERO (0) SUPER BOWL L0SSES

>>77722708
no suspensions, still did it

literally who is that grandpa

>>77722708
What did Montana do?

5 (7) > 4 (4)

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>>77722780
>>77722781
>>77722791
4-0

>Jerry "Stickum" Rice babby

>>77722708
So goat they named a state after him

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>>77723306
>won 2 super bowls before jerry rice was drafted
Cry harder

>>77722708
Confirmed system babby
Look at what Steve Young did with that team afterwards.

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>>77723355
>young has 1 super bowl
>montana has 4
What did he mean by this?

>>77723383
How many titles does Matt Cassel have?

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>>77723420
Steve Young was 10x the quarterback matt cassel was

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>>77723420
>>77723456
Also young started for 7 seasons while Cassel started for only 1 season, not comparable

If we are going by super bowl success Montana is the GOAT. If we are going from an individual passer critique it is Rodgers without a doubt. Brady is only the GOAT to E!SPN, turdworlders and the inbred states of New England.

>Brady will never not be suspended for cheating
>Brady will never be undefeated in the super bowl
>Brady will never win four (4) super bowls in a row
How can Brady even compete with the GOAT

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>>77723899
GAYS NOT WELCOME

>>77722708

Lmao I love how Peyton fags have completely moved on to comparing Tom to joe. What will the assblasted retards do when he wins another one? Compare him to Jordan?

Get fucked

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>>77722708
5 (FIVE) > 4 (four)

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>His career ended at 5 superbowls
lmao laughing at you

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>40 years old
>Just reached the peak of his playing career
How can Joe ever be compared

>that shitposting leaf is back

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>>77724438
>>77724341
>>77724340
>undefeated in super bowls
How embarrassing it must be to choke in the super bowl twice

>>77723306
While that was indeed cheating, nobody gave a shit because he came out about it after the league had already accepted gloves that are stickumx5000

>>77724340
1.000 > 0.714

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>>77724556
Irrelevant. Stay eternally ass hurt Peyton faggot

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5 > 4 2bh

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>>77724720
t. butthurt patriotscuck
It's okay, just accept who the GOAT QB is and all that anger will be released

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>>77724780
I've already accepted who the true GOAT is

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>>77724755
Brady played in a more pass friendly league, he would get killed in the era Montana played in and that's a FACT

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>>77724860
Hate to burst your bubble but system babbys and cheaters can't be GOATs

Montana had harder competition to reach the Super Bowl
(Joe Gibbs Redskins, Parcells Giants, etc)

Brady still hasn't even dominated in a Super Bowl

Montana is #1
Brady is #2

>>77724908
>Hate to burst your bubble but system babbys and cheaters can't be GOATs

You do realize Jerry Rice admitted to cheating, right?

>>77724438
>>77724340
>lost two super bowls to autism manning
>literally let a nigger who show himself in the leg and is out of the league rob him of immortality

Shit is just embarrassing any way you look at it. Theres a list 100 points long on why Brady isnt the GOAT.

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>>77724925
This. Only new england cucks believe otherwise

>>77724939
Did montana cheat though? Also, considering how receiver's today use gloves (which are pretty close to stickum) it really doesn't matter

>>77724939
>tfw the true goat steve young is dq'd too
fuckin rice

all hail our 0-4 goat overlord jim kelly

Drew "two seasons away from breaking passing yds and TDs records" Brees > the rest

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>>77724963
>Theres a list 100 points long on why Brady isnt the GOAT.

Playoffs (career)
Most games played: 34
Most games started by a quarterback: 34
Most games won by a starting quarterback: 25
Most consecutive wins, playoffs, by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
Most consecutive wins to start a career, post-season, by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
Most career home wins, post-season, by a starting quarterback: 15 (2001–2016)
Most consecutive home wins, post-season, by a starting quarterback: 8 (2001–2007), tied with Jim Kelly
Most touchdown passes: 63
Most passing yards: 9,094
Most passes completed: 831
Most passes attempted: 1,325
Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 14
Most NFL conference championship appearances by a starting quarterback: 11
Most NFL conference championship wins by a starting quarterback: 7
Most career 300+ passing yard games, post-season: 12

Super Bowl (career)
Most touchdown passes: 15
Most passing yards: 2,071
Most passes completed: 207
Most passes attempted: 309
Most wins as starting QB: 5
Most passes completed in first half of a single Super Bowl: 20 (XLIX)
Most passes completed in a single Super Bowl: 43 (LI)
Most passes attempted in a single Super Bowl: 62 (LI)
Most passing yards in a single Super Bowl: 466 (LI)
Most Super Bowl appearances: 7

>>77725043
Passing yards is a stupid statistic. Who cares how far you throw if you don't end up with a TD?

>>77724556
Trent Dilfer is undefeated in Super Bowls too.

Face it, at this point, Montana is Bradshaw/Aikman tier. Brady surpassed him long before he even got his 4th.

>advanced stats
>5>4

>>77725078
He's also close to break the TDs record.
Plus he has the most YPG and completion %

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>>77725067
>more passer friendly league

>>77725091
If you think aikman and bradshaw are anywhere near montana's level you're retarded

>>77725097
4-0 > 5-2

>>77725131
>4-0 > 5-2

That's mathematically wrong.

>>77725112
Easy to do in a dome

>>77722791

>Argentinian logic

Your national superstars are the following losers:
Gabriella Sabatini
Leonard Messi
Diego Methodonna

Literally a bunch of cheaters/losers.

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>>77725131
>4-0 > 5-2
That's not how math works, you imbred cowfucker

>>77725131

Losing 49-3 in the divisional round is the super bowl loss he otherwise would have had.

>>77725190
>Perfect score vs imperfect

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>11 TD's, 0 INT, 1142 passing yards and a 127.8 passer rating in the super bowl

Was it even a debate of who the GOAT QB is?

>>77725205
Yeah to one of the GOAT defense that went on to win the Super Bowl
Brady never had to deal with that.
Brady also never won in dominating fashion

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>Joe Montana will become an obscure name within your lifetime

>>77725241
Brady beat the Seahawks though, a team that the year before, destroyed Manning's record setting offense.

>>77725274
Needed a lucky INT

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>>77725260
Fewer and fewer people remember Montana because TOM BRADY overshadowed him years ago

>>77725228
Yeah the guy with more rings

>>77725078
Because football is a game of field position.

Also, by that logic, if a team drives 90 yards down the field passing, then have your RB punch it in from the 1 yard line, none of what the QB did mattered.

*Hint; it's why Blount was 30th in yards per attempt last season (3.9), but 1st in Touchdowns (18)

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>He thinks brady and belichick were the NFL's greatest dynasty

>>77725285
Patriots offense scored 14 in the 4th. If they lost it would have been on the defense.

>>77725299
Tbh if you have a QB that can't score in the redzone, he's shit

>>77725274
>Brady beat them
No. Patriots D beat them
Something people rarely bring up is Patriots strong defense for years
(Belichick ran the D that beat the 49ers)
>>77725299
Thanks for agreeing with me. If a pass for 5 yards leads to a TD that's better than 300 yard passing day with no TD

>>77725346
If you think the Patriots offense didn't outperform the defense in SB 49 you're a retard.

*intentionally loses 49-3 in the divisional round to preserve undefeated super bowl record*

heh jokes on u brady

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Brady WISHES he could be on montana's level without cheating

>>77725343
Brady can do both, but he's in the redzone so often that they need to switch things up so they don't become predictable.

It's why Peyton Manning usually had more TDs than Brady, because Peyton was always padding his stats (and throwing more picks), passing on the goal line rather than letting his RB punch it in for the easy score.

>>77725346
Patriots went to the SB in 2012 with the 31st ranked defense though.

>>77725346
Brady haters this SEETHING.

>>77725371
Patriots D was #1 last year

>>77725373
The 49ers would have obliterated the Broncos that year

>>77725468
>last year
>SB 49

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>77725415
They were 9th

>>77725481
Who won on an interception? >>77725454
>Ignoring how good the Pats D is

>>77725509
Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Their defense was 31st in total YPG. YPG is the metric used to rank defenses.

>>77725544
>won on a pick after letting them storm down the field in the final moments of the game

Like I said, the offense brought the team back and scored 14 points in the 4th. All the defense had to do was not let them score and they almost choked it. If the Patriots had the final drive and failed to score that'd be a different story because then the offense failed but that wasn't the case.

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>>77725585
Say that again?

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Reminder that if Jeremy Lane didn't get hurt the patriots would NOT have won

>>77725636
>Pats D didn't hold the Seahawks throughout that game
>Pats D didn't stifle the Greatest Show On Turf
>Pats D didn't stop the Falcons to ensure a comeback

Right. It isn't like Belichick won two rings as a defensive coordinator

>>77725771
That's looking at points allowed. The official statistic that is used to rank defenses is yards allowed.

>>77725892
It uses all stats. Scroll to the right buddy

Pats D is incredibly underrated

>>77725810
>Pats D didn't hold the Seahawks throughout that game
The defense choked it. It was 14-0 and then the Pats defense allowed the Seahawks to score 2 quick TDs and they went into half-time even even though the Patriots looked like the better team.
>Pats D didn't stifle the Greatest Show On Turf
You're right, too bad I'm talking about SB 49 you retarded fuck. But yeah, the Patriots defense was why they won mostly, the had the 2nd best D in the league that year I think.
>Pats D didn't stop the Falcons to ensure a comeback
You're right, they had some clutch plays like the fumble recovery, but to say that the defense outperformed the offense is wrong.

>>77725965
It was tied at halftime and the Seahawks were shut out in the 4th

Their D never gets enough credit

>>77725924
>It uses all stats. Scroll to the right buddy
That list is literally just ranked by points given up, nothing else. Yards given up per game is what is used to rank defenses.
>Pats D is incredibly underrated
I don't even think you watched them in 2012 because you'd remember Kyle Arrington giving opposing QBs free passes every game. That defense let Vince Young drop 400 yards on them. Patriots defense has improved recently but it was complete ass in 2012. I think they had the worst or second worst secondary of all time or something like that, that year.

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>>77725291
The only legacy Brady will leave behind when he hangs them up is being a cheater

>>77725285
>Thinking luck is an argument
The turtle catch is literally luckier than anything that happened to the Patriots all season that year

>>77724340
4 > 5*

>>77727884
That's literally wrong you stupid fuck lmfao. Why is California education so shit

>>77725285
>luck

He literally read the play correctly and was able to beat the WR to the ball. That was just a nice INT.

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>>77727939
1.000 > 0.714
Stay mad patriotcuck

>make excuses
>NFL can't investigate why you lost by 38 points
wew

>>77727999
I guess Joe Flacco is better than Kurt Warner and Peyton Manning with your logic you stupid bitch lmfao

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>>77728082
t. triggered

It's simple, Montana is better than Brady and never had to cheat. It's a shame the inbred New England cucks can't realize this

>>77728177
If Montana is so good why doesn't he have 5 rings?

>>77723217
>all records broken
>had literal best receiver the entire time
>brady had literal whos most of his career
Okay, whatever you say, Gramps.

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>trent dilfer and brad johnson are more GOAT material than brady

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>>77728199
See
>>77724925

>>77728220
>won 2 super bowls before rice was drafted
Doesn't sound like he had him for his "entire" career.

Are you also saying Gronk, Moss, and Welker are literal who's?

>>77728331
>harder competition
>supposed to be the GOAT
>can't get 5 rings

It doesn't add up to me buddy. Also you say Montana never cheated but didn't Jerry Rice admit to using stickum on his gloves lol

>>77728381
Gloves that receiver's use today are literally stickum 2.0 so it really doesn't matter

>>77728331
Tom Brady won a Super Bowl throwing to Troy Brown, Jermaine Wiggins, and David Patten.

>>77728417
What does that have to do with the fact that he broke the rules, therefore cheating? Also no, stickum is way worse than the gloves.

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>>77728469
Gloves gave receivers as much of an advantage as stickum did, it's a fact

>>77728446
The patriots defense carried them

>>77728554
>it's a fact
Gonna need some sources on that breh.

If they give the same advantage why is stickum still illegal to use?

Is it ever commented on how homosexual it is to get a ring to show you won?

>>77728649
t. poorfag

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>>77728585
Based Hungarian

>>77728585
Gloves are sticky and make it easier to catch footballs, it's common sense

>>77728732
Fuck i meant the last part for
>>77728590

>>77728732
Still waiting on that source

>>77728753
Googling is hard

>>77728786
Sounds like you have no source

>>77728796
Since you're do autistic to do it yourself

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nfl+sticky+gloves

>>77728872
That's not a source buddy. Sounds like you don't have one so you have to resort to saying "j-just google it".

Didn't he have stickum receivers, didn't players rub stuff all over the jerseys to make it harder for the team?
The GOATs cheat, get over it. Plus Brady never had a team like the 49ers, even the 18 1 team. 49ers stacked on both sides of the ball due to no salary cap and have one of the greatest coaches of all time. Brady GOAT has the greatest coach but he is a defensive coach, Bill Walsh created the greatest offensive football system of its time. Montana literally a bigger system babby than Brady.

>>77728923
>when England understands American football

What a time to be alive. Don't forget Steve Young came in, took his job, and got them some Super Bowls. It's not like Joe Montana was the difference between the 9ers being the worst team in the league and Super Bowl winners.

>>77728961
Young started for 7 seasons and could only get them to the super bowl once.

Also, after Montana was booted off the 49ers he took the chiefs to the AFC Championship

>>77728988
Losing the AFC Championship game gives you the same amount of Super Bowl rings as going 0-16.

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TLDR; Montana is the GOAT, tom shady and the patriots are cheaters

If you want to, read the thread. Watch as inbred new england cucks try to defend their shady QB and cheating ways

TL;DR: 5 rings is greater than 4

>>77722708
Woulda lost to the 72 dolphins

TL;DR 4 rings are better than 5 tainted ones

TL;DR: some San Francisco cocksucker doesn't know basic math

TL;DR New England fags are mad that they can't win without cheating

>>77729108
Or the 85 Bears

>>77729182
Oh wait, he actually did lose to the 85 Bears lmfao

>>77729180
But they just won a Super Bowl this season? What cheating did they have this season?

>>77729014
0-16 is remembered more

>>77729214

Well, for one, Super Bowl LI was legit not even real. I know it's a meme, but it was 100% decided before kickoff.

The greatest Super Bowl comeback and one of the best Super Bowls of all time to be the footnote of a shitty season where every week, you heard about lower and lower rating, about tickets going for 20 bucks?

Yeah, it's just a (((coincidence))). Really pressurizes my pecans.

>>77723353
Why this nigga flying?

>>77722708
based brady livin in ya finna head rent free

People will only remember Brady for Belicheat

>>77724908
Montana and Young are just as much if not more of system babbys as Brady. And Rice admitted to cheating.

So fuck off.

>>77730130
When you're the GOAT you can fly

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>>77728921
The reason why gloves are legal is simple. Everybody is allowed to wear them so it's still fair, the sponsor (Nike) gets to sell another product, and the game is made more interesting by dramatic catches. Stickum is cheap, makes nobody money, and makes the game look cheap and messy. It gets in eyes, hair, whatever and is a health risk to players because if it.

Also I'm loving this Montana goat thread

>>77731216
I hope you made this post ironically because if not you're a literal mouthbreathing retard. Also still no source lmfao

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>>77724755
>That guy whose quarterback has less than 300 touchdowns

>he played with worse/better teammates
Do you really think that a team would willingly surround their star with garbage supporting cast just to prove his legacy?

>>77731364
Why would I need a source for the obvious? Did you need a source when your mom told you what toilet paper was for?

>>77731591
Anything stated as a fact needs to have sources, have you never had a college or even high school class?

>135 posts
Retards actually fell for a bait thread

Lets make this clear because I'm closing this tab as soon as this post goes through:
NOBODY ACTUALLY THINKS THE WAY THESE TROLL ARE POSTING
Brady is unanimous GOAT amougst everyone that matters
Only a sub 50 IQ nigger would think 4 for 4 is better than 5 for 7 (and counting)

>>77731724
>Anything i disagree with is just bait
Autism the post

>pre salary cap
trashed

>>77731801
this

18-1

43 - 8

>>77731849
7-1

>>77731646
My dumb friend where do sources get their sources? Do you propose that knowledge is the sum of what we can grab from the mouths of others? This is not knowledge. This is not thinking. The way to create new ideas and hypotheses is not to find something already said and repeat it verbatim. The purpose of sources is to take disparate pieces of evidence to convince an audience of an idea because elements of your argument are otherwise hard to believe.

Do you find it hard to believe that modern gloves are effective? If so why do players use them? Do you find it hard to believe that sports apparel sponsors wish to sell as many products possible? Do you find it hard to believe that NFL owners desire a clean and aesthetic game for the purpose of fans viewing pleasure? These are all obvious facts that can be "sourced" simply by being around sports and understanding how it works. Again, you asking for sources for these things is akin to someone asking for a source on the claim that the Bible is one of the most influential texts of human history. It's a fact, but it doesn't need a source because it's an issue that no one would debate. The implications of the fact may be debatable, but not the statement itself.

>>77731801
>>77731803
What difference does it make? Salary caps don't make more competitive leagues they make more profitable leagues. Baseball is very competitive without salary caps. In the era of fat t.v. contracts split evenly between teams everyone can afford to field a competitive team no matter the immediate local market.

brady kinda put this whole thing to bed with the last owl

>>77736113
Stfu it was his first legitimate bowl win.

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>losing to the worst team that ever made the SB
>Brady
>GOAT

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>>77728220
>Brady couldn't even win a chip when he had Randy Moss

>>77728469
>his receivers cheating is the same thing as him cheating
You only have an argument if he forced Rice to use it under duress

>>77740904
Good point, besides I believe John Taylor and Roger Craig made more than their fair share of plays to win those owls. People trying to refute Montana's greatness are sad.

>>77740904
By that logic Spygate is irrelevant for Tom Brady because he's not the one who did it.

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>>77740833
>Playing with black receivers

>>77736542
i can tell you were bothered by my comment