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one stack of leaves with syrup please

Portuguese needs to evolve already. You can't use the word Jogo(game) to define "Partidos" for gods sake, it's so unsophisticated.

the word Juego "jogo" means games as a whole, as in, the name of a game. then the portuguese simplify it. not good, we need to invade portugal or something for them to have a linguistic growth or something

>>77671543
(((portuguese)))

>>77671543
>what is context
Spanish intellectuals everyone

4 jogos now, retardado

>>77671606
>>77671601
(((lusos)))

>>77671601
Romance language is alanguage of detail and finese. unlike english which is Multikulti - the language. get the fuck out with muh context bullshit

>>77671606
Your mom is my jogo (lol)

>>77671559
(((obese)))

>>77671727

t. fucking spic whose 'sophisticated language' is, coincidentally, alongside italian the easiest one

kys

>>77671543
Jogo means both of those things in our language

>>77671543

funny that you say that. i don't know shit about spanish or portuguese but as a neutral bystander i can say that portuguese sounds like shit. spanish is kind of elegant, but portuguese sounds like a mix of different languages to me. in fact, it sounds awful lot like turkish.

>>77672578
Not only sound, also written. Any spanish speaker will acknowledge that portuguese sounds like a badly spoken spanish. I don't mean to shit on my Iberian brothers, but their language is pretty archaic. I will show you why.

take the word Game in spanish. it is Juego, we use it as generic, then we have the word partido, which means 1 game of a certain game.

Also you will notice sometimes if you're spanish speaker that one word that you use in spanish, its translation to portuguese is another spanish word which happens to be a more generic one. I am not a scholar but even I could tell this implies that Spanish is one step above portuguese in term of vocabulary. do you want to know why it's easier to go from portuguese to spanish and not the other way around? because most portuguese words already exist in spanish and not the other way around. the spanish speaker has to either think quick about a synonym that's more basic or learn a new portuguese word while the Iberobro just uses his native word.

>>77671543
We say "partidas" as well, autistic moor.
What is this thing with spanish speakers that they can't see portuguese without getting completly assblasted.?

>>77672771
partidas in spanish means "to depart" as a group of travelers you imbecile

>>77672751
You autistic fucking spic, 'partida' can be used to refer to a single match as well.

By the way, Spanish sounds like fucking shite and looks even worse.

>>77672794
as I stated. Partida is commonly used as a synonym to "to part ways" in english I guess. most games are male in gender so we use partido. we only use partida when it's a female game like "cards"

your language is too far behind, and also the fuck are you taking about coming here about portuguese? not even portubros can tell the fuck you speak you monkey eating piece of shit

>>77672794
we can make every sound in the Spanish language and they - even academics who study Portuguese - can't say a single word in Portuguese that sounds like Portuguese. And they're the sophisticated ones.

>>77672751

even i understand the difference as we have the same words:
juego - spiel
partido - partie

i get your point and wouldnt be too surprised about portuguese being watered down spanish. general rule: the more a language is spoken, the easier it is.

>>77672751
nice cherry-picking.
surely you're aware that this little exercise in intellectual dishonesty can be done between any two languages. some languages will have more variety in certain areas, other languages in other areas.

trying to establish a hierarchy in language, baka.

>>77672831
Maybe you should stop visiting leddit so much catacuck, your notions on our language are completely off and yes, we can understand each other just fine

>>77672875
look, we can do the same:

jogo - spiel/juego
encontro/partida - partie/partido

I can show you two other ways of saying encontro/partida/jogo: certame, desafio.

nice job talking about a language you know nothing about.

>>77672921
those words exist in the spanish language already and a "Certamen" is a competition and a "Desafío" is a challenge.

Encontro would be Encuentro I guess.

do you also have the word choque? meaning clash in english.

>>77672921

according to my thesaurus "partida" literally means "departure" or "start" in portuguese but i wouldn't be able to lecture you on your own language. i just say that the spaniard has a valid point.

>>77672978
maybe he's even right on paper. but if that's the case why do portuguese speak so basic when they have so many rich words that could be more accurate? why don't they say 5 partidos instead of 5 jogos?

>>77672976
yes, so what's your point?
words have synonyms.
well done.
how from there you extract the absurd reasoning that "muh Castilian" is superior to Portuguese is anyone's guess.

it was a brave attempt to polemicise and create conflict in a topic that has nothing to do with hierarchy or qualitative analysis. I'll commend you for that.

>>77673120
tell me a portuguese word that has a spanish counterpart and I will name a more sophisticated synonym that we ACTUALLY use as the main word

>>77673146

no one cares about either of your irrelevant languages.

>>77673159
that flag... talk about useless language which used garabatos to represent words.

come back when your way of writing looks more human than binary and your population isn't forgetting how to write the simplest shit

https://youtu.be/sJNxPRBvRQg

>>77672996
because that's the way it is.
why do we have a word/notion like "saudade" that has no correct equivalent in Spanish?

languages are organic structures. they are as complex as they need to be. Portuguese could never be a "watered-down" Castilian, that's not the way things work. you don't get "Spanish" and then Portuguese later, when Spanish is already formed. do you also think there was a monkey who gave birth to a human?

>>77673189
TELL me the context

>>77673146
and what does this rigged little game prove?

>>77673218
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudade

Good luck with "nostalgía" and "melancolía". We also have those and they have specific meanings.

See how everybody can play this game?

>>77673259
Pablo BTFO

Meh, who cares, we perfected the language.
Also, Cervantes a shit.

>>77673235
it proves that the words you commonly use exist in spanish and that we have more modern words for them.

>>77673259
just by reading the definition I'd say "anhelo" could suffice.

seeing how there's a wiki article about this which includes the fact that it might be difficult in spanish means this is a special word. and still, I don't see why Anhelo can't be used for it.

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>>77673184

imagine not being able to write in your own language

>>77671208
today he took revenge

>>77673308
the japanese languare is a raped one, it's probably the most Americanized one, they don't even have word for coffee, they just use the english one which they twist to make them sound japanese, like sapotto = support or baturu which is battle. in the video there's a person who doesn't even know the original japanese word for battle. they call chocolat chocoratto LMAO

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So what about catalan, basque, and galician?

Also, why do you use «set» on tennis?

>>77673300
we also have "anelo", son.
it's not the same thing.
try again.

>>77673215
>>77673215
>>77673215

>>77673448
why? the definition sounds just like Anhelo

>>77672152
(((bavarian))))

>>77673300
already backtracking, I see.
you also gave one example to illustrate your point about two entire languages.

just stop it. it's a stupid exercise and you know it. don't let your pride stand in the way of your conscience. I'm sure you're smart, don't ruin it by trolling.

>>77673473
backtracking what? I just gave you a spanish translation of the definition your wikipedia page gives.

wonder why they make such a big deal out of it not existing in spanish and completely ignores Anhelo

>>77673501
we also have anelo (same as in Spanish), and saudade is something else.

>>77673510
wow, we're much more sophisticated.

>>77673510
maybe anhelo is something else in portuguese too. but by the look of that word, it has many nuances, so I bet when people use them they imply something from the definition and not in its entirety. to the point where it can be exchanged with anhelo or extraño, deseo, ansia etc.

>>77673551
not really.
it's an important concept in Portuguese literature and encompasses much more than any of those words you suggested.

but even if you were to prove that Spanish has more "recent" words to substitute archaic words that you have in common with Portuguese, how is that an indication of anything at all?
the opposite could also be true and you just noticed the phenomenon in one specific direction.
but even if it was true, how is having more recent words a corroboration of something as subjective and biased as the concept of "sophistication"? couldn't one also argue that it's much more sophisticated to have a reduced or economical vocabulary and with it achieve the same degree of conceptual complexity as another language? to be able to discern from context instead of needing another word?

there are many ways to go about it if you want to prove sophistication, and they're all rooted in bias.

""""""""""""""""" expresa un sentimiento afectivo primario, próximo a la melancolía, estimulado por la distancia temporal o espacial a algo amado y que implica el deseo de resolver esa distancia. A menudo conlleva el conocimiento reprimido de saber que aquello que se extraña quizás nunca volverá """""""""""""

yeah that's anhelo bitch. And that wasn't even my point, every language has words that don't exist in other languages while other words can convey the same meaning. my point was that your words, the ones you use commonly are fucking trash inherited straight from Latin while spanish words have evolved more. or if you do have tose words you do not use them

>>77673633
SPAIN BTFO again

>>77673635
I refer you back to my previous point.
1) You can't prove it just like that, with one or two examples, you'd probably need to write a phd thesis about it, and even then you probably won't be able to prove such a silly premise. Linguistics isn't based on hunches, suspicions, patriotism or wishful thinking.

2) Even if you somehow manage to prove that the words we "use commonly are fucking trash inherited straight from Latin while Spanish words have evolved more", you'd still have to establish that "sophistication" is a sound concept for linguistic analysis.

3) Furthermore, you'd have to explain what your concept of "sophistication" is, because it can be anything you want, even something that occurs in Portuguese and is considered superior to Spanish. You'll need to force your definition of sophistication to mean what you already presuppose: that the Spanish language has to be more "sophisticated" that the Portuguese language. And when you do that, it's sophistry - and not sophistication - you're engaging in.

Goodbye, cunt.

>>77673727

spanish still sounds better than turkoguese tho

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>>77673635
"coche", that you use for "car", is our word for this thing here. it was a carriage pulled by horses.
we have a better, more sophisticated word for car: automóvel.

everybody can play this game.

>>77673768
Spanish sounds like porn and bad pop music

>>77673633
so I was right when I said it's a special word.

>how is that an indication of anything at all?
it indicates that as a language we differ more than yours from our roots. I would say that spanish isn't a better language than Latin, but spanish is way more appart from its roots than portuguese.

>the opposite could also be true and you just noticed the phenomenon in one specific direction.

can you prove the opposite effect happening in Portuguese?

> how is having more recent words a corroboration of something as subjective and biased as the concept of "sophistication"?

because it splits the usage for several instances instead of using the root word.

the english language does this by mixing two words, for instance. Even though they have their own difficult to translate words, like "cringe" which we would call Vergüenza Ajena.

but I have heard portuguese people speaning many times and the first thing I notice is how most words they use not only exist in spanish, they are second rate words to a most recent, sophisticated one that differs from its latin root.

you could just check the definition of sophistication you know

>>77673768
subjective.
many people think Portuguese sounds better.
but that's completely irrelevant.

I happen to think German sounds great in opera and poetry, but horrible in every other context.

>>77673793
actually this example sucks because there's not just coche in spanish. That picture of yours would be called "Carruaje". the word automobile is actually seen as old in spanish, as something from the 40 or 50s, even in english.

and this is such a tricky word because all its synonyms go back to its root. the south americans use the word Carro, which I think they perceive as newer than coche.

quite a special word you have brought up my friend. Not even the americans use the word automovil anymore and they use "car"

>>77673801
>it indicates that as a language we differ more than yours from our roots. I would say that spanish isn't a better language than Latin, but spanish is way more appart from its roots than portuguese.

you don't know that, you're just trolling based on assumptions and bias and without any scientific sources to back it up.

>can you prove the opposite effect happening in Portuguese?

no, but you'e the one trying to prove something, not me. and I'm not satisfied with your "proof" based on one word. get back to me when you've gone through millions of words.

>but I have heard portuguese people speaning many times

that's amazing proof. I have noticed the opposite.

>>77673793
by the way we also have the word carromato, which is something like this but more to the country side, the thing you would use to move straw into a barn or some shit, in the 15 century

>>77673858
we also use car, more commonly than automóvel.
it was a trick and you fell right into it.

oh, and we also have carruagem, but it means something else.

just stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>77673900
you can't prove shit and you know it.
you're just trolling.

>>77673875
>you don't know that, you're just trolling based on assumptions and bias and without any scientific sources to back it up.
I am basing it in hearing Portuguese people talk throughout my entire life

>no, but you'e the one trying to prove something, not me. and I'm not satisfied with your "proof" based on one word. get back to me when you've gone through millions of words.

if you have sensed the opposite and I have and the subject is that portuguese use those words, then why do I have to prove it when I'm stating a reality

>>77673904
we also have carriaje, and congrats on sounding like David Byrne, faggot.

>>77673962
carruaje* carriaje is something else

>>77673900
and if variety of words is proof of sophistication, then I guess variety of phonems is also proof of sophistication. how would you go about proving that Spanish produces more different sounds than Portuguese, lad?

I have seen amerilards least retarded than the fucking moor in this thread.

>>77673935
your example didn't work.
try again.

>>77673993
well can you prove that portuguese has evolved more than spanish in that area? if so then portuguese is more sophisticated in that area.

>>77674017
are you not tired of being a fucking cheerleader? jesuschrist let the other portubro defend the case

>Spanish vs spanish that sounds like a drunk slav is speaking it

"town" in spanish = pueblo
"city" in spanish = ciudad

"town" in portuguese = cidade
"city" in portuguese = cidade

jesuschrist.

the portuguese language gave birth to brazil

I rest my case.

>>77674032
We understand you, you for the most part don't understand us. IF you use different and more sophisticated words than us, it can only be down to one thing: we decipher the sounds in your language better than you decipher the sounds we produce in ours. There isn't a single sound in Spanish that a Portuguese person can't reproduce (maaaaybe the rolling "r", because the closest in Portuguese is the "r" that sounds like a Dutch "g"). You, on the other hand, can't even, for the most part, decipher entire sentences we utter with supposed "simpler" and more archaic language (that you are already familiar with, according to your reasoning). How could we then expect you to pronounce them correctly when you actually see them or read them? Well, we don't, because you can't. My Spanish girlfriend of 10 years (we broke up 3 years ago) moved to Portugal and managed to start speaking a little Portuguese in the last two years. I don't even need to learn Spanish (although I can speak it) to understand everything you say, and to live in Spain without a shred of a problem (which I did for two years). I guess that, by using these examples from my personal life and making assumptions which I think are correct for most Spaniards (as you have for the entire Portuguese language through your experience and one example), you'll grant me that proof has been irrevocably established.

>>77674071
wrong.

"town" would be a "vila".
city would be "cidade".

you fail at every attempt, it's amazing.

>>77674105
at least we have an original language.

>>77674206
WRONG

Ville isn't the same as town

the spanish word for Ville is Villa

a ville is a smaller town which is a Pueblo. You lack the word pueblo that exemplifies the middle between ville and city

>>77674178
>(as you have for the entire Portuguese language through your experience and one example)

Correction: not one example, but two failed examples.

>>77674256
wrong, we use vila in the sense you use pueblo or town.

and you lack the word for "saudade".

>>77674295
are you retarded?

>>77672786
Nobody cares about your language or your country though, except maybe for muslim migrants.

>>77674321
no, you are.
what did you expect? that I'd just accept your baseless theory based on a couple of words and your experience listening to Portuguese people speak? how is your experience more valuable than the experience of a Portuguese person who says you can't even understand us? it's your word against their word.

>>77673995
thank you pls watch our sports thank you

>>77674364
I like the sport you call beisbols, yes?

>>77674390
yes, I also like the beisbols

>>77674410
is naiiiiiiiiiiiice

>>77672578
Spanish is shit though

>jajajajajaja
Ffs

>>77673470
Blissfully countered. Top post.

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what's going on in this thread

>>77674479
TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

don't fight iberibros.
>TSU lives in both of you.
>TSU has chosen both of you.

>>77674520
by the way, is tsu something he made up or it has something to do with portuguese? or just a retarded onomatopeya?

this shit that sounds like a mix of turkish, french and arabic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJbbYM4mVv0

compared to rythmic and beautiful spanish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsdYlMRHU_o

Time to filter Asspain

>>77674532
According to him, it's something all Real Madrid players yell in unison when they celebrate a goal. It then evolved to a celebratory shtick among them, irrespective of goals being scored.

>>77674544
>compared to rythmic and beautiful spanish:
you haven't heard me speak bby :)

>>77674567
I have. Don't look under your bed now.

>>77674532
I think it's "sí" or "sim".
But because football players are insecure about their sexuality, they believe the sound "i" to be slightly "gay" (as opposed to the clothes they wear and the hairstyles they flaunt), so tey turn it into an UUUUUUU sound, to feel more "bro" or masculine.

That's how I interpret it, anyway.

>>77674567
flaite isn't spanish won ql ctm!

>>77674585

dont speak in my name asshole or something will happen

>>77674544
How is the toilet cleaning doing for you, José Rodriguez Salamanca?

>>77674599
I always lol when italians celebrate goals with SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII like wtf hahahaha

>>77674604
Oh something will happen alright. Don't turn around now.

tsu is a living god

PT-PT is stupid

why hasn't portugal ever produced someone like Ricky Martin?

>>77674736
tsu is more or less like ricky martin.

>>77674779
holy shit I hadn't thought about it, I meant in music terms, but they're both faggots LMAO

>>77674789
yes, they's the same entity that chose different career paths.

>>77674609

truth kills the sudaca

>>77674789
>>77674803
through dick, unity

>>77674803
that does mean that at some point time they will find argentinean semen in tsunaldo's stomach?

>>77674818
t. Sören Gonzalez-Benn

>>77674828
does that*

>>77674221
mumbled spanish isn't an original language

>>77674828
yes, but not the midget's semen if that's who you're thinking of.

>>77674870
one year later, the comeback.

>>77671208

excellent, more rest time so he can completely dominate the later stages of Laliga and the Champions league 17-18.

>>77671543
>Portuguese needs to evolve already
Says the Castillan.

We say "partidas" aswell.
But we evolved to using "jogos" because it as less syllables, and thus it is faster to pronounce.

4 TROPHIES OVER BARCELONA

LMAO

the most autistic thread of the year

>>77677700
tsu?

it sucks

>>77672786
No it doesnt.
Juegas una partida de ajedrez?
Stop bullying the portuguese. Its almost the same language as spanish. The only thing ill grant its that it sound retarded as fuck, due to the brazilian accent i got familiarized with.

>>77673189
Saudade es nostalgia en español