UEFA coefficients for leagues are retarded

>>77441876
>Smaller countries have to get through 4 rounds of quals to even have a chance

You really think you can pass a preliminary against Barcelona, Dortmund, Manchester City ?

>>77441876

The big countries are jewing everybody else. Don't expect UEFA to do anything but fucking their moms over for an extra 5€

>>77441876
>Polan is ranked #18
>lower than Greece or Cz
embarrassing

I know that you are mad because Legia lost

>>77441909
Not regularly. But looking at how there would be much more big clubs from big countries in quals, upsets would be bound to happen from time to time. Giving points to teams (and by extension, leagues) without making them play for them, no matter the amount, is unfair to every federation without a guaranteed place in CL/EL and produces a snowball effect by which top federations become even more wealthier than the rest, because they don't have to compete for their points (ergo, for the CL money).

>>77441876

>England STILL that high

Why?

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>>77441916
>>77441876

On top of that it is actually pretty obvious how much a boost participating in especially CL is to a club.

If there had been fair access to the tournaments we would see parity across Europe and strong teams in all major cities of the continent.

Because of corrupt fuckers we'll get 20x El Classico and 20x United vs City each year. Boring af.

>>77441930
>>77441930
>Scotland was ranked 10th in 2007
>now ranked #26
>below Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Belarus and Israel

SAD!

Wlochy stronk

>>77441976
Do you even know how the system works?

>>77441976
England has 3 guaranteed spots in CL, which means that English coefficient gets a boost every year even if all English teams lost their games in Europe

>>77441876
To be honest, I think you're lucky you're included at all. The champions league is a 32 team competition. No Polish club is amongst the top 200 clubs in Europa. Look at the first and second qualifying rounds - you've got clubs from amateur leagues like Luxembourg who are there just for inclusivity, depriving better clubs from the bigger leagues. A compromise would be the top 4 leagues get 7 entries. 3 go straight into the group stages, the other 4 go into the first qualifying round.

>>77441876
>The system is set up to guarantee stable inflow of capital for the richest corporations wwaaah
Tell me something new. Football anno 2017 is cancer. We need to go back to no group stages and champions only before it's too late

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>>77442031
>he thinks it's only cl performance that contributes towards the uefa coefficient

>>77442013
Alternatively each additional spot means the points are divided by a greater number. West Ham have fucked us over the last couple of years

>>77442031
are you trolling?

>The champions league is a 32 team competition.
>champions league
>not including 32 champions

>No Polish club is amongst the top 200 clubs in Europa.
Legia is 61st, Lech 131st

>Look at the first and second qualifying rounds - you've got clubs from amateur leagues like Luxembourg who are there just for inclusivity
>just for inclusivity
just how fucking elitist can you get when you're so shit in Europe and would have probably 1 or 2 teams every year if you had to qualify

>depriving better clubs from the bigger leagues
>CHAMPIONS league

>A compromise would be the top 4 leagues get 7 entries. 3 go straight into the group stages, the other 4 go into the first qualifying round.
Hey, you said something of substance actually! I'd agree, if all clubs except top3 spots of top4 leagues had to participate in quals, system would be much fairer.

>>77442058
Don't reply to me with your simpleton posts.

>>77442087
Then educate yourself, you fucking dumb cunt.

>>77441909
>You really think you can pass a preliminary against Barcelona, Dortmund, Manchester City ?
>>77442031
>No Polish club is amongst the top 200 clubs in Europa.
And whose fault do you think it is? Big clubs have money > hoard all the good players > secure their place where they get even more money
And now they want to give even more CL spots to the big leagues, stomping even harder on the small ones. Bosman is also part of the cancer.

>>77442031
>To be honest, I think you're lucky you're included at all
So you'd have nothing against a "european super league" with the 20 biggest teams on the continent leaving their domestic leagues? Because that's where we are headed Nigel. The execs running the biggest clubs HATE matches vs. Crystal Palace and Chievo. If they could replace every league match with CL-caliber fixtures they would.

(Actually they've already threatened to and this is why UEFA had to bend over and give the top nations extra CL spots starting next season)

>>77441876
>Only the champion of a country should have a guaranteed spot in CL + EL winner
Period. No need for qualifiers. Champions League.

>>77442104
This really, 1997 is when it all started falling apart.

>>77442084
The club coefficient isn't accurate. There are clubs that don't play in European competition because they can't qualify through their league.

>you're so shit in Europe
3 teams in the CL knock out stage. Europa League winner.

If the CL was actually the best 32 teams, it would be 30 teams from the top 5 leagues. As I said just thank UEFA your clubs like Legia have got a shot because you deprive better clubs with your presence

>>77442104
Yeah but if UEFA tried to remove the main source of income from the top clubs in Europe there would be an uproar

Resulting in a breakout super league and we'd be in the exact same position we're heading towards now

the big clubs have UEFA by the balls

>>77442133
>If the CL was actually the best 32 teams, it would be 30 teams from the top 5 leagues
No, it would be 32 teams that advance through qualification phase without ANY team (except maybe previous winner) getting a spot in group stage. EPL would struggle to get a second team in.

>>77442137
At this point I'd rather have the super league and let CL breathe again.

>>77441876
>Wlochy

aAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*breaths in*

AHAHAHHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>77442137
>>77442103
So is UEFA /ourguy/, or not? I understand that they have their own interest in having people watching CL, but on the other hand if they wanted they could create the superleague themselves - but somehow, they don't. What should I think of UEFA anon?

>>77442137
>the big clubs have UEFA by the balls
You are probably 16.
Both the clubs and UEFA profit from fans across the globe enjoying the massive commercialst bubble surrounding football.
And other people interested in fairness grudgingly accept the state of things as "how it is" and still pay.

Using your words, the fans have both the clubs and UEFA "by the balls", but very much only in theory.

>>77442154
A super league would kill the CL because why would the top clubs bother with it if they have their super league?

>>77441930
Greek teams used to be amongst the European's elite. We had 3 teams in the CL group stages 14 years ago. We should be the ones that are embarassed.

>>77442154
>Super league breakout happens
>All the plastics keep bandwagoning muh superstars
>Ordinary football fans can start appreciating their local football again without feeling like cogs in a big machine
Actually this doesn't sound too bad

>>77442160
>on a level with Kazakhstan

>>77441876
>Smaller countries have to get through 4 rounds of quals to even have a chance of getting a good amount of points and they can fuck up
Those loser countries have to git gud

>>77442174
Why do you think a super league doesn't exist yet?

>>77442178
The whole point is the system is preventing them from gitting gud.

>all the rich teams from England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain fuck off to a Super League
>Champions League is changed to 2 teams max per country
>you now regularly get great meme finals like Ajax vs Real Betis or Celtic vs Red Star Belgrade
>all the famous old clubs with history now become famous again
>now all the smaller nations like Croatia, Sweden etc have chance of winning Europa League
>and you still get to see all the blockbusters like Real - Juventus every week because of the super league

>>77442199
No, it's not. Coefficient points are an average not a collective. Your points get divided by how many participants you have.

>>77442215
So basically like having CL and EL but changing names so you can feel happy

>>77442163
>You are probably 16.
xDDDDDDDDDD
>Both the clubs and UEFA profit from fans across the globe enjoying the massive commercialst bubble surrounding football.
And other people interested in fairness grudgingly accept the state of things as "how it is" and still pay.
UEFA is still interested in keeping Poland, Romania and Sweden in the Champions League my friend, much more than they are interested in the money river. Because when the time comes to choose new UEFA officials, Polands vote counts just as much as Englands. How do you think Blatter stayed in power for so long? Fifa works along similar principles and Blatter stroked the dicks of all the undeveloped countries giving Africa/Asia more World Cup places to get re-elected.

>>77442161
UEFA is definitely not /ourguy/, the only reason they try to resist the commercialist forces in football is because they can just as well get re-elected by poor nations

CL should be 3 spanish clubs
2 german, italian and english clubs
1 portuguese, dutch, russian club
4 would come from playoffs between the rest of european champions

>>77442178
Sorry Ameribro, I made some mental shortcuts which are well-known to Europeans but you may be missing them.

The thing is, that even if you create a superclub in a shithole like Georgia, advancing to the CL group stage each year isn't gonna help your league much - because you still have 3 other teams participating in Europe (doesn't matter that they go out in 1st rounds of quals) and so your points tally acquired to the league ranking gets divided by 4: the amount of clubs participating in Europe in the season.

Now look at England: they have more clubs participating in Europe, 7, but out of these 7 clubs, 5 clubs are getting points NO MATTER WHAT because they advance directly into the group stage of CL or EL, the 6th team has 2 games to get points, and the 7th team has 4 games to play to get points. (by points i mean a meaningful amount for participating in a group stage)

So either no games to acquire points, 2 games or 4 games. The hypothetical Georgian superclub needs to win 4 2-legged games in order to get there. Can you see how unfair is this and makes the big leagues get even bigger at the unfair expense of developing countries?

>>77442215
But nobody will watch the shit UCL. I wouldn't.

>>77442189
Simple, potential profit doesn't outweigh the risk yet (the risk being massive media and supporter backlash)

>>77442253
You wouldn't? I've already started to watch EL more than CL because I'm tired of watching the same teams each year.

>>77442215
>he thinks every game in a league system of top clubs will be blockbusters

retard

>>77442253
yes you would, it would be the only weekday football on

You don't understand coefficients if you think so. The coefficients are not based on comparing countries with one another, but by comparing a country's expected performance based on the number of entries and their actual results.

A country that consistently overperforms will rise over ones consistently underperforming - the ranking adjusts itself based on momentum of the last couple of seasons.

>>77442253
I would. But I know all the billions of Indians and Pakis wouldn't. Then again, catering to fans across the globe instead of the locals is one of the things killing football in the first place.

>>77442219
I know they're an average, yet the free points from the group slots are a tremendous boost. There won't be another 2006 where two teams out of three in a country reach the UEFA Cup quarterfinals where they fight each other, propelling the country to 7th place, because now the power gap is too big due to the cash flow.

>>77442098
>Bosman is also part of the cancer.
absolutely based opinion anon

>>77442253
Good, go be a customer somewhere else.

>>77442273
You have to be a blithering retard to believe that the system isn't set up to guarantee money making CL spots for the biggest clubs in Spain, Italy, England and Germany my friend.

>>77442270
what are you fucking talking about you retard? i called them blockbusters because they are big games that everyone looks forward to, im not making any comment on the quality of te games.,

genuinely stunned that you failed to grasp that

>>77442313
>this paki damage control

>>77442243
If this Georgian club was good it would breeze through qualification. Why do you want to give an almost semi-pro team a spot inthe group stages just to get annihilated? Poles don't understand competition and business, do they?

>>77442326
what? what have i got to damage control exactly? you're the idiot that jumped in and coudln't grasp the context behind a 2 syllable word

stop posting you absolute melt

It is a retarded system to be fair. Arsenal choking in the round of 16 every year for the last decade should not have rewarded England with coefficient points.

>muh nostalgia goggles
>muh football was much better 30 years ago when every shitter club reached the finals

I'm sure you all were excited to watch Red Star Belgrade and Goteborg in the UCL semi-finals.

>>77442307
No, the worst I can say about the UEFA coefficients system is that it tends to preserve the status quo.
I mean, do you actually believe countries other than Spain, England, Germany or Italy deserve 4 spots at the expense of spots for those listed?

>>77442313
they're blockbusters because they are both big teams and are big teams because they win or compete at top level at their leagues

in a superleague only one club would win and only once per year, so many clubs will start to have strikes of 10 years or 20 without reaching something close to top level, so they'd become mediocre clubs with mediocre playing in a league supposed to be the "best"

this adding that those clubs usually have a fanbase that can't stand 1 or 2 bad years and they wouldn't be selling shirts in china

so that's why you don't have a superleague

>>77442355
>paki only cares about muh money

What a surprise

>>77442360
>making the knock out stage, the top 16, shouldn't give you coefficient points

Then 98% of leagues would have 0 coefficient points.

>>77442350
I don't want to give more guaranteed GS spots. I want to have less of them. And no, football is prone to upsets and meme magic so they couldn't consistently pass quals every year, but because other clubs from Georgia would be shit then the superclub would be punished with lack of GS spot compared to English clubs which are the biggest beneficient of the current system

>>77442360
>a team that consistenly survives the group stage should eventually lead to their country losing a spot to those countries which clubs consistently fail to survive the group stage

actually listen and think about what you're saying

>>77442326
alri teefposter
see you're still mentally ill as usual

>>77442360
Why not?

where's the usa

>this paki samefag

>>77442360
This made me think of an idea. Assign every club an expected finish round and if they reach it or perform better, add them points, if they don't reach it, subtract points. It would punish Arselols and others

>>77442404
So you want more top 4 league teams to play qualification.

When was the last time the 4th placed PL team failed to win its play off qualifier? It was Everton about 10 years ago. That's the 4th placed team and the last qualifying round. What do you think having the 1st, 2nd and 3rd placed teams playing teams even earlier in the qualifying rounds would achieve?

>>77442449
This is shit

>>77442382
What I believe is that only champions should play in the champions league. Why do you think they changed away from that system to this one?

(Pro tip: Berlusconi watched Maradonas Napoli play Real in the first round of the 89 season and was appalled that only one of those great teams would be allowed to progress in the tournament. He pulled strings in UEFA because he was afraid of the same thing happening to Milan and succeded because it turns out he wasn't the only one who wanted to make more money)

>>77442386
it would be a lot more topsy-turvy than that, no one team would dominate, just look at the champions league winners the past 15 years. would also have relegation for the lowest finishing team of each country to keep things fresh probably

>>77442449
And why is that? Why would Arsenal expect to finish better than Ro16 when that has been their result for like what, 8 years?

FUCK LEE RIGBY, YOU WON'T BE FUCKING DRUMMING ANYMORE.

>>77442461
>Why do you think they changed away from that system to this one?
Because the old one was shit. Real Madrid vs some Maltese side 12-0 on aggregate.

wow

>>77442443
>e-e-everyone who thinks im a rambling mumbleclown i-i-s a p-paki!!!!
>a-a-and a-also the same person!1!

kys

>>77442468
Because England is 3rd league for now and so teams from England should be expected to reach further stages

I'm not sure how exactly it would be done, maybe not per-club but per-federation basis: e.g. top3 feds would have at least 1 semifinalist expected, 2 teams in QFs, and every team going out from groups or something

this would put pressure on big leagues to perform and not just babysit their safe spot in top12

>>77441876
>closer to belgium than to Russia
THE STATE OF LIGA NOS

pls watch it, so it can get back on its feet

Why is Abdul so upset?

>>77441876
There should be a minimum investment requirement.
That way teams like Copenhagen who have the budget of a German second division team can't clog up the competition anymore.
They get paid a lot of money to produce forgetable games.

teefposter is going for an all nighter again

Why is Abdul rambling about teef?

I would support some kind of better deal for all national champions if we could kick the former Soviet states out of UEFA. There are too many countries now.

>>77442461
The change to include non-champions was definately done to generate more money for UEFA and everyone involved, yeah.

And while it is a nice idea to only have actual champions compete in the Champions League, it is simply a stupid idea when looking at reality. The second, third or fourth placed teams of the big leagues are in general much better than the champions of most european leagues. Why should they miss out on the best competition while lesser teams get in? Just because you happened to win the fucking maltese league? It would be silly and would not only reduce most of the Champions League to a farce (Bayern vs Belgrade, wow I'm on the egde of my seat) as the champions from the top leagues stomp their way through eastern Europe, it would make the whole competition worse as you could predict the finalists much earlier and much easier due to there only being like 3-4 teams good enough to win it all (the champions from the big nations) in the whole competition.

Because you're mentally ill

>Wlochy
hahahahahaha

>>77442518
And we ended up in this situation exactly because big teams rigged the system to be even more richer at the expense of regular clubs. It's not Kopenhagen's fault that they got cucked by big money.

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>>77442505
still not watching your league

>>77442520

who is teefposter?

>>77442543
>There are too many countries now.
It's fine as it is.

>>77442554
pls save our league and we won't send more Mendes garbage there

>>77442557
A mentally ill cretin that accuses everyone of being a paki and who derails /sp/ threads and keeps bumping them till 5 in the morning because he has nothing better to do in his sad life

>paki talking to himself trying to draw attention away from his shitposts

>>77442545
>Why should they miss out on the best competition while lesser teams get in?

Because the rich leagues will get richer this way and in 50 years we'll still have England/France/Italy/Spain/Germany pentagon ruling the football world because the system makes it impossible for any outsider to break in without backing of rich billionaire

If we allowed teams from lesser countries to fight on even ground, the quality of other leagues would improve drastically.

>>77442573

ah, so you follow him about then?

>>77442561
No it worked better to have national champions when eastern europe was
>Poland
>Czechoslovakia
>Hungary
>Romania
>Bulgaria
>Yugoslavia
>Albania
>USSR
Now there are a load of micronations plus some backwaters far closer to Beijing than Paris

>>77442573
why teef though?

>>77442605
I'm not sure how one would go about following someone on an anonymous image board

>>77442580
I'm afraid to say this train has left the station long ago.
Once big money is in you can't "regulate" it out.

>>77442615
>it worked better
It really didn't

>>77442634

so how do you know this person is the one you've been following about then?

bit odd keeping notes on other anons.

>>77442468
Because Arsenal has stagnated and failed to reach the next stage while FUCKING LEICESTER CITY advanced to the final 8 ON THEIR FIRST TRY

There is no excuse for Arsenal, Hanz

>>77442636
I mean compared to doing the same format now

>>77442653
I just told you

>>77442635
One can dream, anon.

At least I have EL.

Lesser nations have earned the right to play in the CL. They shouldn't be shit on further simply to appease 4th place teams in bigger leagues

>>77442615
We had no Bosman ruling & commies forbid any player under 28 to emigrate so we could actually compete

>>77441909
That's literally what happened with the old Cup system before the Champions League destroyed the integrity of the game

>>77442663

so you stay up all night following him about into every /sp/ thread looking to expose him?

Starting next year, there will only by 14 champions in the CHAMPIONS League. Less than half. Let that sink in for a moment.

>>77442615
>Implying Bosman, the EU and the general rise in player wages didn't ruin Eastern European football.

Back in the day, Yugoslavia used to have a law that prevented footballers from going abroad until their 30ies. Before ~1990 your average Eastern European club could actually pay world-class players, and they couldn't hold their club by the balls all the time.

>>77442696
It's not a league either. Wrap your synapses around that. Fuck Trump.

>paki samefag is maaaaaaaaaaad

>>77442694
Why are you taking things so personally teefposter? You only exist to be a shitposter

>>77442696
>most of the top teams in europe do not end up being the champion of their respective league

shocking

>>77442712

lol, so i'm this teefposter now? you sound a bit mental desu senpai

>>77442744
Love this new act of yours

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>>77442708

>>77442753

>e-e-everyone is le teefposter

mate, what are you on?

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>>77442580
>It's UEFA's fault teams from large countries with large economies are richer than clubs from impoverished eastern European shitholes

>>77442797
Why do you crave attention so much?

>>77442815
Tell me about the Scottish powerhouses. Oh wait.

>>77442815
next we'll have CAF wanting gibs from UEFA

>>77442815
Yes, because they give less chances to teams from smaller leagues to qualify to get money from their CL bin

we wouldn't have big5 ahead so much if the system was fair

>>77442828
Scotland isn't a large country

>>77442838
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is however.

>>77442832
There can't be a fair system so long as teams can poach foreign talent which isn't ever going to be stopped

>>77442848
>isn't ever going to be stopped
just reverse Bosman

>>77442843
but Scotland play in the Scottish League not a league of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

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>wlochy

>>77442863
It's against EU law to stop it from happening

>>77442871
That's why brexit happened, so you can revert it in UK :))

>>77442864
Yeah but you were arguing about countries with large economies. Scotland is part of one.

>>77442843
Mate scotland is fucked. It's like the Detroit of the UK only without black people.

>>77442815
It's UEFA's fault for not using it's power in a more responsible way to ensure healthy competition in its prime tournament.

Instead it rewards teams who finish 3rd in a league who haven't won their domestic title in over 25 years. How is that right?

>>77442882
That's Middlesbrough

>>77442880
the football teams aren't

>>77442893
You're right, Middlesbrough is Detroit, Scotland is like Alabama.

where is teef?

>>77442880
it's a small percentage of that economy

>>77441876

>better leagues which have better talent get more slots
>shit leagues which nobody watches and anyone who's good isnt going to play for have to prove their good before wasting time
>especially since you earn money for making it to the tournament and each round you win

the fucking UEFA system is better than any of the actual individual leagues themselves or FIFA-run tournaments m8

the relegation system is retarted as fuck

wow you suck ass so you get to go back to the lower leagues, but you cleary have talent cause you made the premire-teir of the league so you now beat up on guys with part-time jobs, then you get to come back up again

literally no team that's ever in the bottom 5 of any of the major leagues has ever went on to be a legit franchise

and dont give me some bullshit like chelsea or man-city who only got better once a sand nigger purchased the team and had billions of dollars to buy good players

nobody came up thru relegation, kept country born talent and continued to recruit locally and became legit (which is what 99% of those lower leagues rosters are made up of)

>>77442360
By that logic the shit teams Arsenal beats in the group stage should be permanently banned from the CL

>>77442885
Arsenal like teams are still better than the champions from Norway and Poland.

well it's changing from now on so...

>>77442377
it's not nostalgia goggles, football genuinely was exciting back then (hell, even a decade ago). Money wasn't that much of a factor and teams that were in the CL finals could lose to some Swedish farmers the next year. Way more parity.

>>77444444

>>77442084
The real best way is to make multinational championships.

Scandinavian League
>Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Iceland

West Slavic League
>Poland, Czech Republic, Croatia and Slovakia

Eastern League
>Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, Belarus (if they even care) and Bulgaria (maybe Serbia)

Celtic League
>Scotland, N. Ireland and Eire (fuck religion conflicts)

Belarus
>Belgium and the Netherlands

Alpine League
>Switzerland, Austria and Slovenia

Plus
>England
>Spain
>France
>Russia
>Italy
>Germany
>Turkey
>Greece
>Portugal
>all those little countries

Each new league reaches a minimum of 30 millions people, way more than Portugal for example. Enough TV exposition and enough money, and the level of play will increase everywhere. Each of those leagues has its champion in the CL group phase.

And, in fact, every league should have a maximum of 16 teams, and the Champions League 48 teams, with groups of 6 teams. English teams get too much money right now.

Champions League for National Champions only, how it was until 1996. Only exception for current champion if doesn't win local league.

Group stages and boring seeding ruined European football. It should be unseeded knockout over two legs.

Does any neutral give a fuck about the CL group stages? 3 months and nearly 100 games to reduce 32 teams to 16 and anyone who knows even the slightest amount about football could predict at least 14 of those before a ball is even kicked. Utterly pointless.

>>77444288
That's true, but why should Arsenal be rewarded for 4th, for example, with a CL qualifier position?

>Each new league reaches a minimum of 30 millions people

What are you talking about, you utter loon?

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>>77441876
Europa league is an objectively kino comp anyway
>more varied teams
>more countries represented
>unusual or meme tictacs everywhere
>Monumentally more entertaining attacking football beacuse teams are not scared stiff about not progressing
also
>vastly superior highlights show

>Poland
>40m people
>#18

>Croatia
>4m people
>#17
>4 pt difference

and we're also going up. wtf Poland, I was in Krakow, Poznan and Stetting, you're really nice country, everything is new, then why are you shit at football?

> champions league
> teams who didn't win championships last year playing in it
sad desu

>>77441876

> szwajcaria

that's what a man having a stroke sounds like

fact is when's the last time a team not from a top 7 league eliminated someone from a top league?
even if they had to go through playoffs they would probably breeze through when not pit against each other, earning even more points

We're below Liechtenstein?

>>77448123

muh per capita

>>77448123

they are shitheads, they can't do shit for good

>>77442465
Sure mate, like life proved. You can see CL last 8 almost always remain the same with one lucky small team and the entrance of suggar daddy clubs.

3 years with bad qualyfing and you won't get any star player and the wheel will start rolling.

Late 80s and 90s italian league was the most stacked league ever and still was based on dominance eras of the usual teams

>>77448237
>when's the last time a team not from a top 7 league eliminated someone from a top league?
2012/13. Dynamo Kiev eleminated Borussia M.

>>77448554
that's pretty far back, means approximately 25-30 match have been played with the bigger team eliminating the smaller
also wasn't Ukraine top 7 back then?

>>77448123
Football got neglected in the 90s since there were more important things to do after the fall of communism.

Also, the rapid privatization after the fall of communism in Poland prevented an ologarchal economy like in Russia or Ukraine, which is obviously good overally, but it also prevented bored billionaire oligarchs in Poland who are willing to buy and invest in football clubs like in Russia and Ukraine.

But in recent years, football here is starting to get its shit together. There are some positive signs when you look at the NT, football academies, stadiums etc., but it will probably take a few more years until Polish club football can profit from it.

t. Polack

>>77448687
Russian oligarchs never invest in russian clubs. Except that one time when Usmanov bought Anzhi for a year.

>>77448716
Didn't Abramovich also own a Russian club (CSKA I think) at some point?

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>>77448123
superior football genes

>>77448325
And Vaduz is playing in the second tier of Swiss league system lmao. At least Maribor will give us some points from either CL or EL

>>77448325
Liechtenstein gets like 5 times the normal points, and it literally doesn't matter. Vaduz could win the Europa League, bring Liechtenstein to first spot but yet would still play in the first qual round of the EL

>not of German, Spanish, English, French or Italian nationality
>still caring about football
For what purpose?

>>77443471
>franchise
Don't you have any walls to build?

>>77449816
No because winning the EL gives you a spot in the CL

>>77442031
>this delusion

I bet you're thinking it's coming home next year too right. Lmao