Is Ali the greatest boxer ever? or was he a meme fighter?

Arguably the greatest heavyweight, probably not the greatest pound-for-pound. He definitely wasn't a meme though, he fought everyone he was supposed to when he was supposed to and gave us a few classic fights

Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time.

The greatest Heavyweight of all time is either Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis.

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>>77411530
>Joe Louis

*tips*

>>77411481
Why so salty?

Lennox Lewis would knock him out

>>77411503
I feel like his story outside of the ring influences peoples thoughts of him as a boxer

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>>77411530
> Joe Louis

>>77411670
HIS MOMMA CALL HIM CLAY

Jack Johnson was also a beast

>>77411463
Greatest in terms of inspirational story, intelligence, pushing the culture and sport forward, being a tremendous fighter and a champion, all that shit. But in terms of just in-ring skill there's definitely guys who could beat him, plus there's a few questionable wins on his record due to Mob influence, but thems were the times. Obviously no other heavyweight in history has a life that can compare to Ali, some people are just bigger and more important than others, regardless of skill. Ali was that.

>>77411984
I SHOOK UP THE WAWLD

>>77411463
no, its mainly politics, he was in the right place in the right time to become a pop-culture icon

Manny Pacquiao is the greatest ever. Nobody ever climb 8 divisions and everyone except blacks thinks Manny beat Gayweather

>>77411984
>it's the white man's fault

>>77412104
lol wut

>>77411463
prime tyson or prime foreman were the undisputed GOATS

Ali pulled of -what has to be- the best comeback ever.

I think there are better fighters than him, but the reason why he's still remembered to this day is because he was more than just a gifted boxer. He had great banter and spoke up against controversy during his time like the Vietnam draft and race issues.
Ali is the greatest, but he's not the best.

>>77412257
Who did Tyson beat? Spinks? Next

>>77412104
I'd say it's 60's fault. Vietnam, civil rights movement, cultural marxism and TV-becoming the dominant media.

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>>77412257
>Prime Tyson
>GOAT

>>77412297
Larry Holmes

>>77412377
He was past his prime, coming off a 2 fight losing streak to Spinks

>>77412101
CHI

>>77411463
Buster Douglas was the GOAT

>>77412609
Pacquiao is Filipino, you dip.

>>77411463
He was a meme literrally, he robbed Norton 2 times, ducked Foreman for a rematch knowing he would get anihilated and just a featherfist.
He was just the biggest loudmouth in boxing, that's why people thinks he is great and the Klitschko's suck.

>>77416375
And fixed match against Liston.

>>77411463
Meme fighter. He didn't even bite anyone's ear off.

Tyson would have made a mockery of him. I don't give a fuck about what people say about the quality of opponents. You fight who you fight. Tyson is and always will be the greatest boxer of all time. We will never see anyone as savage as that ever again because men these days are absolute pussies.

>>77411463
Why can't he be both?

>>77416559
Only beat joe frazier by shenanigans in the rematch as well.

>>77411530
FWIW, Ali himself considered Marciano as the best other than himself, IIRC.

>>77416394
That's a meme.

It was a clean KO. Joe Wolcott botched the count, yes, but it was still a KO. It only looked like a phantom punch because of the camera angle.

>Sonny Liston was nearly 40
Sonny was at most 33 at the time of their first match (claimed to be 31), and had annihilated Patterson eight months before.

>>77412257
>Prime Foreman
Ali beat Foremans dumb, fatass

>>77411463
He was good and a big draw but certainly not the best/greatest.


>>77411627
>>77416375

Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer ever, Ali himself even said so

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>>77418603
this

>Implying Tyson wouldn't snap him in half
Wew

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>>77411463
watch some FULL Ali fights.
a whole lot of endlessly leaning on each other.
yee

>>77418581
Yes but he SAID he was the greatest and he won. Therefore, he is the greatest. Memed it into existence desu. Ahead of his time.

>>77416375
This. Mandingo got robbed and Ali is overrated. Good, but definitely not the greatest.

>>77411463
Mayweather is the best boxer ever and it's not even close, if boxing had Elo ratings he'd be 300 points clear of everyone but SRR, a guy with 200 fights in the 40s and 50s

Leonard, Robinson, Tunney, Hagler, Jones Jr

>>77411463
Never seen a full fight of him. Looked pretty good on highlights though.

>>77422513
>leonard, hagler
muh fab 4 are frauds, none of them managed to truly distinguish themselves from their own generation so obviously they cannot be GOAT

>>77416748
Liston was into some shady shit, he had a good chin and Ali was anything but a hard punchers.
I don't know if Liston took a dive or not but he obviously didn't wanted to get up

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>>77422586
>muh fab 4 are frauds
imagine how fucking stupid you have to be to type this

^__^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAEVt8P9MJc

>>77411463
Frazier was better

>>77411463
Both