/mlb/ - Beltre 3000 Hits Edition

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Name a starting pitcher

>>77401317
Andy Pettitte

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Royals

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Royals

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Based Frosty

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who /comfy/ here?

>>77401342
Oh man those guys
I hope that girl trip posts with us, she's cute

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so the dodgers are just going to win 132 games huh?

what a fucking time to be alive

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Dodgers!

you're all a bunch of losers

>>77401166
Weighted Batting Ninth- Avg as weighted against other nine hole hitters, player avg/avg of nine hole avgs.
Errors Under Third- Errors committed under the horizontal line running from third to first.
Runs Versus Strikeout (K)- R/K, self explanitory

Wait hold the phone I had just had the exact amount of time needed to log onto the internets to connect to this Manchurian Rounders discussion forum to check with you all if it is true that the first place defending American league champion Cleveland Indians on a 9 game winning streak just lost to a team of minor leaguers who had recently traded away every single body of their 25 man roster on pace for a 200 loss season?

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Astros are 3-4 in their last 7, all against below .500 teams. Are they finished?

Give me one good reason why every ballpark other than the most iconic ones shouldn't be completely demolished right now and forced to build new ones with crazy dimensions like 250 yards from the left field wall and 600 yards to the right field wall.

steven pearce

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New thread new stats.
KBF
OYG
FFV

>>77401395
What are Aaron Judge's stats for those in the 2nd half?

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The Cubs, like Zeon, shall rise again.

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>>77401317

Babe Ruth

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>>77401421
>FFV

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>>77401352

A g-g-grill? =\

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>walk off grand slam

lmao

canada is just ready

>>77401405
Long answer: Yes

>>77401393

thanks, Mum

>>77401317

James "Big Game" Shields

>>77401421
>FFV
Fights Fought Valiantly

>>77401427
Well, you're not wrong...

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>>77401475

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will the dodgers ever again lose a game?????

>>77401412

they're tired and taking a break

they haven't lost anyone of note

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>>77401475

>>77401358
>Kershaw Injured

They'll still choke in the playoffs, so who gives a shit?

Have fun watching the Nationals and Astros in the World Series, doyer scum.

>implying the Sox didn't sabotage Tomlin and wouldn't have gotten no hit

>>77401488
embarassing

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/a/stros

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>>77401489
>the nashitals
>ever winning a big game
>let alone 3 in 5

>world series starts

James Shields: 3
Clayton Kershaw: 0

>>77401503

I'm an Astros fan, nice try. Enjoy another eventual playoff choke-up, GayLA

>>77401489
If the Nats somehow make it to the WS, they're gonna get easily swept

>>77401448
mmr is a black girl

>>77401518
super embarassing

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>the best chance at eliminating the dodgers from the playoff are the psychologically dominated nationals, rockies, and diamondbacks.

>>77401526
>black girl
>>77401352
>cute

>>77401524

Dodgers are gonna get knocked off by the NL Wild Card winner.

Have fun winning 110 games, only to lose in 4 in the NLDS.

LA Memedgers

>>77401421
Final Fantasy Videos

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>this is the man that will stop the greatest team ever assembled
amigos......................

>>77401421
KBF - Strikeouts batting fast

Alternate stats being Strikeouts batting slow (KBS), Hits batting slow (HBS), and Hits batting fast (HBF). Measuring what effect fast paced and slow paced pitchers have on hitters.

>>77401526
>>77401542
She doesn't live in the city, she lives on the coast in a nice community with good schools where she makes "edgy makeup" tutorials for Youtube. She has pink twintails

>>77401521

Swept by the Whos in the WS.

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>>77401551
>Dodgers are gonna get knocked off by the CULOrado COCKies and the Snakes
why even post some ridiculous shit like that

>>77401551
I'm not a Doyers fan, I'm a guy that lives in DC and watches the Nats enough to know that they aren't as good as they seem and are being buoyed by a garbage division.

>>77401521
The Astros have literally never even one a single game in the World Series and you're talking about choking lmao

>>77401421
>KBF
Killed By Fielding

Ded going for the ball.

Like when Puig ran smack-straight to his Center Field man.

>>77401574

d-does she h-have a pink VJJ?

@<(:^)

>>77401574
Is this true?

>>77401606
Oh, hello inferior PA baseball team!

>>77401574
>She has pink twintails
The fuck?

>>77401606
Why do Phillies fans keep posting this faggy creature?

>>77401620
cause STFU

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>dodgers went from winning 114 games to winning 135 games with the kershaw injury
damn

>>77401421
>FFV
Fishing For Vagoo.

While on the bench, checking Instagram for next bootie call

>>77401620
It's memeji you fags

>>77401574
ok

>>77401596
dose flashbacks to Johnny Damon-Damian Miller tho, shit was scary

Judge will be fine, right?

>>77401600
No.

>>77401421
>OYG
Uttered for jewish grand slams ... Oyg!

>>77401296
Dodgers let him go because he wanted $10 mil per year after hitting 50 fucking home runs. If LAD kept him they'd have won at least 2 series by now.

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>>77401296
Congrats Adrián

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>>77401658
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo[etc]

..what color is her VJJ, then?
>does she color in blue?
=3

>>77401653
balls have been un-juiced, baseball is back to normal, rip judge and bustinger

Wait did they actually stop the game to celebrate with his team and family on the field?

https://www.mlb.com/video/beltres-3000th-hit/c-1668205583

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>>77401661

>>77401686
Do you have any idea how big of an achievement 3000 hits are?

>>77401686
They do this every time a player hits a big milestone, stupid newfan

>>77401686
t. lifelong Astros fan

>>77401686
https://twitter.com/Necreezy/status/891766996597166080

>>77401709
Where was the Pujols family when he hit 600 dingers, a far more exclusive club?

>>77401576

>Bringing up decades old shit

Yup, you're retarded.

>>77401589

Did you see the slaughterfest they laid on the Brewers?

Nationals are for real, and will finally go all the way this year.>>77401686

>>77401592

That whitesox team was good

>>77401686

That's how celebrations work, buddy boy.

>>77401296
>/mlb/

So where's the general

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>>77401775
let's start right now.

will the dodgers win:

115 - 125 - 135

thoughts?????????

>>77401794
97

>>77401686
Did you see what they did for Jeter? They had all his ex-actress and super model girlfriends come on the field and blow him right there behind home plate

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Phillies

>>77401809
>ex-actress and super model girlfriends
and A-Rod. Don't forget A-Rod.

>>77401831
That was some mighty blowing that day.

>Doyers go the World series
>Lose to the Astros
>Go back again
>Lose to the Injuns
>Go back again and face a rags team that now has the official longest championship drought in baseball and saw the Astros be the first team in Texas to win the WS
>Game 7, all tied up, bottom of the 9th in LA
>The big one finally hits
>All the players dead, the series is suspended, neither team officially gets to claim a championship

The only timeline that makes sense

I was at the game yesterday was hoping he'd get it oh well

>>77401856
ahahaha faggot

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>>77401856

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>>77401864

>yaks fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKXhSZjMYIk

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>>77401885

>>77401886
>adam judge

KEK

holy shit mccutchen 3 hr's

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>>77401924

>>77401886
>there's only two gaps in new york, you and Strahan
haha

>>77401809
The 3000 hit watch for Jeter was so fucking annoying. Once he got like 20 hits away, ESPN lead off EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT with the Yankees game for like a month until he finally got it.

Compare that to the attention Beltre's 3000 hit watch was like, and Beltre's was hardly a whimper of news.

>>77401886
>Someone's favorite player on the Yankees is le $153 million pinch runner man

Big Adam Judge fan here, I think he can hit 90 home runs this year

>>77401964
>One team plays in the biggest media market in the world, and loves baseball year round
>The other team plays in a state that couldn't give two shits about baseball until it's October
Wow, I wonder why this happened

>>77401969
>literally not even as good as Aaron Hicks
pathetic

>>77401977
>Loves baseball all year round
I love it when New Yorkers post here. their delusions are hilarious

I can't wait for the Giants and dodgers game tonight.

>>77401886
Hypothetical here, how would you react if you ran into a player on your team in the streets and you both actually talked.

Here's the catch, he's the worst player/your least favorite player on the team.

>>77401987
>The Yankees have a large fanbase, which gives them the highest payroll to buy all of their championships
>The Yankees don't have any fans until October
Pick one.

>>77401977
It was still fucking ridiculous.

>Jeter like 6 hits away
>Start the program off with the Yankees game
>Show every at bat for Jeter
>Went 0-4
>"On to our second story now, a player was literally raped and murdered right on the field"

>>77402023
Yankees don't have any fans in October desu

>>77401296
>KC: Kansas City Royals acquire Melky Cabrera from the Chicago White Sox

>>77402023
>Jew Yorkers jumping between Yankee and Mets lifelong fanhoods
>Pathetic unknowledgable who just spout memes
Pick two

>>77402016
Raul MondesI Jr

Unless he started the conversation I would probably not talk to him randomly on the street. Fucker has a super punch-able face.

>>77402043
also
>snaps one game losing streak
hehe

>>77402016
I would be a sarcastic asshole toward jacoby ellsbury. he seems like a nice guy but enough is enough

>>77401794
>doyers

Accidental reply?

>>77402053
>Yankees fans switch to becoming Mets fans all the time
>Yet the Mets somehow don't have even remotely make the same amount of money as the Yankees do
Really makes you think

>>77402016
>meet David Price
>awkwardly ask for an autograph
>turn 360 degrees and walk away
they already got rid of my 2 least favorite player this year (Allen Craig and Sandoval) so I kinda default to Price because he sucks and is going to blow out his elbow of his own free will

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>>77402016
>James Shields
I would show him my driver's license
Then I would show him the tickets I purchased last year for the same date that is my birthday on said license
And then a box score

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>>77402032

I agree

I totally feel ya, man, I watched that whole season, or the Jeter parts anyhow

>>77402096
If you turn 360 degrees you would be walking in the same direction, numbnutz

>>77402090
>seems like a nice guy
Ellsbury is a dick. t. guy who actually met Ellsbury face-to-face while he was on the Red Sox

>>77402118
Tell us the story faggot

>>77402106
I like this idea that you have a picture of the box score on your phone just on the off chance you ever meet him

>>77402016
>Hoby Milner
Hey man, keep fighting out there
>Cameron Rupp
Hey man, How ya doin'?

Got I hate Cameron Rupp

>>77402118
oh no shit?? well like the other anon said you gotta come correct and give us a rundown

SF Giants vs LA Dodgers (#3 of 3)

8:05 PM ET | 5:05 PM PT

>>77402138
>>77402138
>>77402138

>>77402126
Someone in this world's got to keep him honest

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>>77402016
He's not the worst, and I don't know how unpopular he is, but I'd like to cripple Joe Mauer with my truck
>I don't even know why anymore
just look at this stupid face
would you at least mush a pie in there, if you could?

>>77402124
>>77402134
it was at an autograph sesh, nothing special. he just talked down to me like an asshole, that's all.

>the guy who gave up the walkoff slam to pearce was the same guy that coughed one up to ee

>>77402023
ESPN screwed themselves with a lot of younger viewers by thinking fans in the rest of the nation care about the Yankees and East coast teams way more than they actually do, and it's just another one of the factors that has lead to their downfall.

East Coast bias used to be utterly crazy.

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>>77402175
How far we've come

>>77402190
pottery

@77402116

>>77402116
>he doesn't know the meme

>>77402212
has he officially played more games at first than catcher yet?

>>77401412
Watch the mariners creep up overtime and win the division because of all the injurys Houston has

Tony Gwynn is the best pure hitter of all time.

>>77402281
>who is Ted Williams
>who is Barry Bonds
>who is Wade Boggs

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>>77402175

I honestly have no compulsion to talk to any ball players. I feel so detached from these guys despite the fact that I watch about 5 hours of baseball a day.

I'd never seek out a conversation. I'd probably just talk if it was a situation where not talking would be more awkward.

sano chimpout kek

>>77402095
Yankees have a national bandwagon, the Mets don't. New Yorkers though basically root for whichever one is better at the time which is never more evident than with the Giants and Jets.

>>77402281
>Not top 20 in batting average
>Not top 30 in BABIP
>Best pure hitter of all time

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>>77401620
Would you like an even more faggier poster in doyers fans?

>>77402304
I love when people who don't live in New York try to push this meme that New Yorkers constantly switch teams.

>>77402307
>not top 20 in BA
meme stat dominated by oldsters who posted untouchable numbers a hundred years ago

>>77402212
Bigger dome babby than drew brees

>>77401794
They'll win the most games and be fucked in the playoffs like the '11 lillies and the '01 mariners.

>>77402304
but the Jets always suck

These 4 players are the only active German Born Major Leaguers.

>>77402299
damn is that Yu Darvish?

>>77402345
Max Kepler, Max Kepler, Max Kepler, Max Kepler

>>77402296
>who is Barry Bonds
>who is Wade Boggs

Players with lower career batting average

>who is Ted Williams

A player who played long enough ago that the game was fundamentally less competitive. The current best player is always the greatest player of all time because the average skill level is always increasing year after year. Since Tony Gwynn is the most recent player with the highest career batting average, he is the best hitter of all time.

>>77402350
Wrong, Wrong, Correct, Wrong.

>>77402281
>>77402296
Babe Ruth was the best pure hitter you retards. He is the greatest player ever in SPITE of his defense.

>>77402358
They also had countless factors when Ted Williams played that greatly handicapped the offense.

>>77402363
He is the greatest player relative to his own time. However, relative to all time, he is worthless. He would not be able to hit major league pitches today.

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>>77402053
>Mets fans switch to Yankee fans

Those people are fucking idiots. Thats like switching from the islanders to the rags because you wanted a team with more success, but the rags disappoint you even more. I'm a Mets fan all my life and have seen everything from parnell to those endless trades to edgin being a idiot, and those countless postseason/september fuck ups. 2015 got me excited and they let me down hard. At least it's been a good season of how the Mets can fuck up a game

Reminder that Babe Ruth died before the first slider was ever thrown in the Major Leagues.

>>77402373
>He would not be able to hit major league pitches today.
If he grew up in a time with million dollar training facilities, advanced sports medicine, advanced training, weight lifting (which wasn't common practice in baseball until the 90's), being developed to be a baseball player since he was a child in select leagues, etc. he'd be just fine. You faggots willingly forget the outliers that older players had to deal with in order to try and push that the game used to be ridiculously easy

>>77402399
You're making up an imaginary person that doesn't exist and saying he's the best player of all time.

>>77402399
No, he'd be Ryan Theroit

>>77402411
And you're ignoring stats in order to try and push the best pure hitter of all-time meme.

Reminder that flamethrowers of the 20's and 30's threw low 90s fastballs.

>>77402439
They also threw with heavier baseballs

>>77402424
No I'm not. As I said, Tony Gwynn is the most recent player to have a batting average as high as he did. No player after has had a higher batting average. Thus, since the game is constantly becoming more competitive, he is the best pure hitter of all time, and will remain that way until a new player surpasses his career batting average.

>>77402373
Babe Ruth was dominant as shit despite being frequently drunk during games and being a lazy fatass that hardly took care of his body.

Were he to have grown up in a later age with modern training and focus, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have still been incredibly good because he dominated purely using natural talent back when he played.

>>77402452
They also threw no sliders, slurves, circle changes, two seamers, cutters, splitters, sinkers, vulcan changes, and even back then standard changeups were less common than the less effective palmball

James Paxton is elite

>>77402457
Except he didn't, since he grew up in the beginning of the century. For all you know he wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure that modern pro sports entails, or he would've never been interested in sports because he became an otaku or some shit. You're just imagining a fake person.

>>77402454
Ty Cobb is the most recent player to have a batting average as high as he did. No player after has had a higher batting average. Thus, since the game is constantly becoming more competitive, he is the best pure hitter of all time, and will remain that way until a new player surpasses his career batting average.

>>77402478
Considering Babe Ruth was a headcase(Not even to mention the fact he hated niggers) and lazy as fuck, he'd probably peak at a pinch hitting fat guy

>>77402478
>For all you know he wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure that modern pro sports entails
Babe Ruth literally started the trend of athletes becoming celebrities. You're just pulling excuses out of your ass now.

>>77402481
Except Ty Cobb played long enough ago that his numbers are virtually useless in determining his absolute skill, as I already explained. If 50 years pass and no one surpasses Tony Gwynn's avg I will not still be calling him the best ever, but instead the most recent player to have the highest career batting average.

>>77402489
>Not even to mention the fact he hated niggers
4chan hates niggers. so what?

>>77402503
Except Tony Gwynn played long enough ago that his numbers are virtually useless in determining his absolute skill, as I already explained.

>>77402506
2006 called, they want their memes back

seagull almost got killed

>>77402299
>that first sentence
ball players are notoriously self centered Chads with nothing but crippling self awareness and pussy on the brain
>that second sentence
Alright, see you around, don't follow me or I'll call the police

>>77402513
Except he didn't, he finished his career less than two decades ago, Ty Cobb played a century ago. There are plenty of players who were contemporaries of Tony Gwynn who are still playing baseball now, the game has only changed marginally.

>On February 10, 1935, while on a visit to London, Babe Ruth kept his promise to Bradman. The baseball great's cricket coach on this occasion was Alan Fairfax, the former Australian star. True to his reputation, Ruth smashed local fast bowlers all over the premises, breaking his first cricket bat in the process.

>Ruth enjoyed cricket so much that he spent an extra hour at the school by Thames where the demo was held. In the event, he was late for a luncheon engagement with his wife.

>Alan Fairfax was happy about the progress his new celebrity student appeared to be making. "In a fortnight, I could make one of the world's greatest batsmen out of him," he told the assembled press.

>Babe Ruth smiled and said, "They tell me that $40 a week is top pay for cricket. I think I will stick to baseball." Babe Ruth was already the highest paid professional ball player in the world by 1929. His pay was $70,000.

If you don't think Babe Ruth would still be good today with modern trainng, you're an idiot. He was just an exceptional talent.

>>77402513
The baseball's were heavier back on Cobb's time, they were used so much that they became lopsided, the mounds were higher, giving the pitcher a better advantage, illegal pitches hadn't been made illegal yet, fields at insane dimensions, which allowed balls that would've been home runs today to be routine outs, seeing the ball entirely relied on how much the sun was out since they didn't have modern lighting back then, but yes Ty Cobb had it so much easier than Gwynn.

>>77402535
And baseball has changed a vast amount since Tony Gwynn's last game. You can't just lie and say the game changed marginally because that lie supports your argument. You're also framing the argument in a way that has Singles, Doubles, Triples, Walks, and Home Runs as equal in value, which clearly they are not. A Home run creates a higher scoring chance than a triple than a double than a single than a walk. I'd value Jim Thome's superior scoring abilities higher than Tony Gwynns

>>77402552
Meant for>>77402503

>>77402564
>than a single than a walk

>>77402564
but pure hitters my dude

>>77402584
A single has a higher chance of driving somebody in than a walk. You can score from second on a single. You can't from a walk

>>77402596
unless the bases are loaded. checkmate atheists

>>77402607
Oh shit, looks like you win this time

>>77402596
>He doesn't drive runners home from first on a walk
Imagine being this shitty of a ballplayer

>>77402564
I'm not saying he's the best baseball player of all time. That is obviously Barry Bonds. He is simply the best pure hitter of all time.

Also, in what significant ways has the game changed since 2001? A few minor new rules and just recently the ball is being made slightly differently. That is it.

>>77402564
They created roughly same amount of runs, just did it in opposite ways.

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>>77402620
>that is obviously barry bonds

>>77402629
he's not wrong. Bonds is GOAT

>>77402646
Bonds is tied with Gehrig in wRC+

My ideal pitcher can deal both kinds of fastball with a low use splitter, circle change, 12-6, palmball and screwball

>Bonds is tied with Gehrig in wRC+
If Bonds played in Gehrig's era he would have hit 200 home runs every season. Unless they walked him 4 times a game.

>>77402670
Bonds hit in an era where home runs were the norm. Gehrig and Ruth were outliers for their time. This is stupid.

>>77402670
I don't think they had nearly as advanced steroids back then though

>>77402690
and Bonds wouldn't have his steroids to fall back on lmao

>>77402690
Ruth and Gehrig played in an era when 80mph fastball was considered elite, and most baseball players had part time jobs to survive.

You retards don't realize wRC+ is league and park adjusted. Meaning, if Gehrig and Bonds had the same wRC+, they hit at exactly the same level relative to their own time.

Bonds is second in total career WAR only to Ruth, who as we already established is a racist drunkard who would have a career similar to Pablo Sandoval in the modern era. Thus, not only is Bonds the best player relative to his own time and the best player of all time, but he is in fact the best player relative to any time.

>>77402690
That's his point. The "w" in wRC+ stands for "weighted", and it's weighted based on the run environment of the league at the time.

>comparing players from several generations apart

the only way you can compare two players that far separated is to compare how dominant relative to league average at the time they were.

>>77402620
>Pure hitter
>62nd all time BABIP, tied with John Kruk, behind Derek Jeter
>163rd all time in wRC+, tied with Travis Hafner, behind Brian Giles
>346th all time wOBA, tied with Nick Johnson, behind Ryan Klesko

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>>77402543
>>77402543
>no one ever talk about it dough

Fuck Off; that to all the GOATfags out there
Eat a Dick, then cough it up and choke on it

trying to watch present day Base Ball here
bo make a new thread, idiots

>>77402741
But le high average

how do I make the bar at the top of 4chanx with the thread stats stay there permanently, pretty sure it used to be permanent now it hides if you're not hovering over it

>>77402732
Or you can just use simple logic and realize that Bonds who toyed with a league where people threw 95+ fastballs and slider, splitter, and LOOGY (or relievers, period) existed would destroy a league of part-time janitors who pitched on 3 days rest and threw 200 pitches every night out.

>>77402741
You clearly either don't know what it means to be a pure hitter, or don't know how any of those statistics work. Probably both.

The only statistics relevant to discussing how good of a pure hitter a player is are AVG and K%. wOBA is a holistic offense statistic (and wRC+ uses wOBA). BABIP doesn't measure anything about a players skill, unless their BABIP is significantly higher/lower than their expected BABIP, which we do not have the data to calculate in the case of Gwynn or any player before last year.

>>77402779
ALT+F4

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>>77402779
>>77402779

You go to /q/ for questions and ask them

must feel like shit as a player to be featured in a "trade deadline coverage" commercial while "goodbye to you" plays

what a massive troll job to their wives and families too, great job espn

>Steroid babby
>GOAT
What was the intended message here

>During Trouts career, the only time the Angels have made the postseason is when Trout put up the lowest WAR in his career

When are we finally gonna acknowledge this statpadding meme player for what he is?

>>77402788
>Hitting singles makes you a better hitter than hitting doubles, triples, or home runs

>77402808
that he is the GOAT MLB player

>>77402803
Has anyone else noticed lately the stadium staff (and this is true for all teams) have been really fuck smarmy with their song choices lately?

>>77402788
A pure hitter is good at hitting for power, Gwynn wasn't.
And Ichiro is better at slapping singles anyway.

>>77402813
Hitting for a higher average makes you a better pure hitter than someone who hits for a lower average, yes.

>>77402620
Bonds racked up value with defense and steals early in his career you dipshit

Bonds is great, but not primarily because of his hitting.

>77402808
not the intended message, but if you roided when roids weren't illegal, you didn't cheat, you dumb shithead

>>77402826
No, a pure hitter is someone who is good at getting hits, which Tony Gwynn is the best at.

Ichiro was not better than Gwynn at hitting, as he did not have a higher career batting average.

>>77402859
Yes, he also racked up value by putting up the greatest 4 season stretch of all time offensively later on. The point is that Bonds is the greatest player when all factors are considered. He's also the greatest player when just offense is consider since the only player with a higher career oWAR is Ruth.

>>77402865
Roid use was illegal under US law you daft cunt. Why do you think Congress made such a big deal about it?

>>77402788
>BABIP doesn't measure anything about a player's skill
>Your batting average when strikeouts and home runs are removed doesn't measure how good someone is at hitting the ball
nigger what

>>77402865
sup Mark

>>77402888
He's retarded and trying too hard. Just ignore him.

>>77402878
>Ichiro was not better than Gwynn at hitting, as he did not have a higher career batting average.
Gwynn wouldn't have hit .340 for career if he played today. Pitching is just so much better now.

>>77402819
I don't know, stadium song choices have always been pretty sarcastic for visiting teams.

where so yall buy jerseys
shit is expensive as fuck

>>77402726
>Bonds is second in total career WAR only to Ruth, who as we already established is a racist drunkard who would have a career similar to Pablo Sandoval in the modern era.

No, no, we haven't established that you cunt. Using this standard of logic Michael Jordan isn't the GOAT of Basketball because he never would have never survived in the the age of social media being an outlandishly inappropriate asshole who got his father killed due to gambling on games.

>>77402935
Does your team put the players names on the back?

>>77402945
yes

>Hearing same as @Ken_Rosenthal that #Cubs closing in on Justin Wilson. Heard Tigers like 3b Jeimer Candelario.

>>77402887
>Roid use was illegal under US law you daft cunt
No it wasn't you dumbass.

>>77402830
But that's wrong, since there are various rewards to hitting, that blur the lines of what a "pure hitter" is. Why is Batting Average and K rate the only factors you deem fair to being a "Pure hitter"? Why do these factors hold more value than say BABIP or ISO? Why does the single hold more value than the double? Why aren't walks involved in this? Wouldn't not swinging at a bad pitch be a sign that a player is a good hitter?

this whole conversation is meaningless because altuve will be the GOAT hitter. you just need to compare whatever stats you wish against his and you'll get a good picture of performance

>>77402887
because the media and fans made such a big deal about it

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>>77402954
>2017
>wearing another mans name on your back

>>77402970
Yes it was. That's why there were Congressional hearings. The PEDs they were using were illegal under US law.

Is Jeimer Candelario even good?

>>77402888
BABIP tells you very little. It was originally used to tell you how lucky a player was, effectively. People would compare a particular season's BABIP to a player's career average/league average to determine if that player was getting lucky in that season. So having a lower BABIP relatively indicates that you are in fact a better hitter, but that is extremely rudimentary and bad statistics.

Players who hit with more exit velocity and at higher launch angles will have better BABIPs. So nowadays stat geeks only really look at BABIP to compare to xBABIP, which is calculated with statcast data, to expect immediate regression/improvement. Like, right now, Didi Gregorius has one of the best (i.e. luckiest) differences between his BABIP and xBABIP, and miggy has one of the worst. Expect those players to regress towards the mean as the season goes on.

Also K's are bad so I don't know why you would want to remove that when determining a player's hitting skill.

>>77402935
I only buy shirseys, windbreakers, and caps.

No way I'm wasting $200 on something I shouldn't be wearing outside stadium, and for a player that could get traded in the offseason.

WE JUSTIN WILSON NOW

>>77403016
Enjoy le only throw fastballs and let everyone foul me off 600 times per at-bat man

>>77402999
>Yes it was. That's why there were Congressional hearings. The PEDs they were using were illegal under US law.
No they weren't. Under the Controlled Substances Act anabolic steroids could only be prescribed by a physician, giving it the status equal to millions of regular drugs.

tiggers unironically having one of the worst """""""'fire sales""""""""" of all time

>>77402865

Technically you're right


But the mlb has acted as if it was cheating.

>>77403023
Wrong.

>>77403022

Sounds infinitely better than Justin Grimm.

>This Padre's fan dedicated to his le singles meme

>>77403023
You're so wrong it hurts

>>77403023
Holy shit, could you be more wrong?

Good job going for an AL pitcher. He probably still has time to win the Cy Young this year.

>>77402971
I'm not saying he was the best offensive player. Just the best pure hitter, he was the best at getting hits, which is objectively true. Not creating the most offensive value. Strike outs are bad hitting, any player can drive up their batting average by being more aggressive. But if you're not effectively hitting balls than that's just bad hitting. So K% needs to be considered in conjunction with avg.

>>77403027
because we have shit management all the way through. It's an embarrassment.

wow so many legal experts who can't provide proof

>>77403071
>>77403016

The #Dodgers and #Cubs are in a bidding war now for #Tigers reliever Justin Wilson. Wilson will definitely be gone by tomorrow

>>77403015
you look waaaaay dumber in a shirsey

why hasnt anyone choked up half way on the bat, crowded the plate as far as possible and intentionally fouled off 25 straight pitches before

every team should have a pinch fouler for when the opponents closer comes in desu

>>77403089
Says the legal expert who didn't provide any proof lmao. I'm currently enrolled in Harvard law. You're wrong. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's a complex issue.

>>77403078
>Which is objectively true
Incorrect. If it was, then there would be a broad consensus with near zero disputes. He's the best pure hitter by conditions YOU deem fair. these are not universally set conditions, and never will be unless you manage to cultivate a cult of personality in the wider baseball community

>>77403102
>Harvard law
Last name, right now. I don't care about anything else. I want that last name

>>77402726
Bonds was the best player relative to the handful of players who were also juicing at the time, which didn't include most of the league.

During 2000 and 2005 which includes Bonds 4 single most dominant seasons, he was only 3 WAR above Alex Rodriguez who was also a juicer.

Bonds dominance is a fucking myth.

>>77402935
from the official store, but only when they're on sale.

>>77403104
No, it is objectively true because the statistics that determine the best pure hitter show that he is the best. The only disputes are from people who wish to deny statistics.

>>77403102
You are the one who claimed it was illegal to begin with. So provide some citation, """""harvard law""""-kun.

>>77403111
Smith.

>>77403113
Alex Rodriguez is the 3rd best player of all time, so that doesn't really help prove your point.

How they achieved the results doesn't make the results worse, just less "legitimate" or "honorable" or whatever.

>>77403119
This is a religious matter to you. To accept that there is debate, and different measures of what makes a HITTER great would destroy your entire world

>>77403111
>unironically implying there's a possibility it's true

LMAO

>>77403113
>Bonds dominance is a fucking myth.
In his 4 best seasons, he was unironically 230% better than the league average.

best "hitter" is the best at getting hits (of any kind)

how is this so hard?

>>77403152
I wanted to see if he was a beneficiary of Jewish privilege. Jews have the easiest time getting into Ivy league schools with average test scores, while Asians have the hardest

>https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/101/hr4658
Where are youuuu, habado-kun???

>>77403166
Wrong.

>>77403150
What makes a hitter great is getting hits of any kind. That is, hitting for a higher average. Who in the modern era hit for a better average? Oh, right, no one. Only players who played a fundamentally less competitive sport hit for a higher average.

>>77403171
I'm unironically from an Ivy-league law school (not harvard) and it was full of Asians and blacks.

>>77403166
Because a single and a double have different values

>>77403187
Which are you

>>77403195
Jew

>>77403187
Asians can reach the scores needed, blacks get affirmative action like Jews

>>77403193
so what do you call the best average hitter then? best CIDF hitter?

the best hitter gets the most hits, full stop,

the best run producer is the one who gets the most run producing hits, i.e. shit that is simulated with all the meme modern stats today.

>>77403185
>Only players who played a fundamentally less competitive sport hit for a higher average.
Several people have pointed out that offensive production has been made easier over the years, yet you choose to ignore that in order to keep pushing this shitty meme

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>Have to stay up all night until Wilson gets traded

>>77403193
Which means that a player can create more offensive value without getting the most hits. However, the best hitter gets the most hits. Very simple.

>>77403233
so that makes Ichiro the GOAT hitter (including his Nippon League hits,) yes?

>>77403250
nobody doubts this

>>77403185
>Modern Era
what defines the "Modern Era"? Oh, right. The "Modern Era" started in 1900. You know who played around that time? Ty Cobb. Ty Cobb played in the offically recognized Modern Era. But what major event or rule change defines yours? Is it expansion? Is it the end of the reserve clause? What major change do you use to define your meme "Modern Era"?

>>77403254
>nobody doubts this
I literally grew a fedora on my head when I read this. Please come down here and take it off.

>>77403250
Ichiro would have easily beat Pete's record if he had played in the MLB his entire career. It's quite sad, actually, that we didn't get to see that.

>>77403153
Not everyone was juicing, so that's not unexpected.

>>77403146
Yeah, a player who as soon as he admitted to juicing got worse, and then got caught juicing AGAIN later on his career.

Imagine how good Ken Griffey Jr could have been if he juiced. Bonds and Arod are fuckheads that will never be in the GOAT conversation.

I LIKE BASEBALL!!!!!!!!

>Source: Lucroy to #Rockies.
>Source: Lucroy to #Rockies.
>Source: Lucroy to #Rockies.

>>77403233
>>77403250
which, by the way, is fucking stupid, because Ichi is GOAT-tier and will make the HOF but isn't the greatest hitter of all-time ever.

>>77403258
1920-present. live ball era is the only correct answer

>>77403271
Fuck off.

>>77403224
No, they have pointed out that offensive production was relatively lower in certain times, such as when Cobb played, which is true. However, the competitiveness of the sport is constantly rising, just because you put up good numbers in a low-offense time doesn't mean you would be able to do so in the future when research, player development, and general growth of industry leading to higher economic incentives creates better players playing the game. Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth would not be major league players with their physical skillset and poersonality profile in 2000.

>>77403250
If you were to include the nip league? Yes. But that would be retarded, so Gwynn is a better hitter, since he had a better average in the mlb.

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>>77403276

>>77403273
Maybe Coors will revive his bat.

>>77403269
And how do you know he didn't juice? Just cause he didn't caught, didn't recover from injuries fast? Could've just been smart.

LUCROY TO THE ROCKIES

>>77403274
So then Ted Williams, Bill Terry, and Lou Gherig are better pure hitters than Tony Gwynn.

>>77403287
Answer my question in >>77403258. If you're >>77403274 then your argument is inconsistent

Name a better stat than wOBA that isn't a variation of WAR.

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>/sp/ports are a trendy scam

MY GODNESS
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>>77403315
WTW

>>77403315
PECOTA

>>77403296
How do you know Babe Ruth wasn't secretly an alien who came to Earth and dominated baseball for shits and giggles?

There is no evidence of Griffey juicing as well as other players like Ivan Rodriguez.

Arod and Bonds are confirmed juicers and should be treated as such and Griffey shouldn't because nobody has proof that shows otherwise.

>>77403315
eye test

>>77403310

I'm this guy >>77403274

not >>77403287


>>77403304
I'm not arguing that they're better than Gwynn, just saying that setting the start of the liveball era as the benchmark is the fairest place to start.

>>77403269
>Imagine how good Ken Griffey Jr could have been if he juiced
My dad works for Nintendo and he said Ken Griffey Jr was definitely juicing. A-Rod used to give it to him in the butt.

>>77403332
>Bonds
>Confirmed juicer
show me the failed drug test

>>77403315
DOTA

>>77403315
eat my ass

>>77403315
wRC+

>>77403310
No that's not me, you autist. I didn't use "modern era" capitalized for a reason. Tony Gwynn is the best pure hitter of "recent times" therefore he is the best pure hitter ever. Maybe last 35 years or so is modern. The point is that the game is constantly getting more competitive, Tony Gwynn retired recently enough that the standard of play hasn't improved so much that you can ignore his stats. Maybe in 20-100 years that would be different.

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>>77403332

>>77403333
quads confirm

>>77403353
So your meme modern era is just more CIDF, got it.

>>77403315
You are retarded. wOBA is a stat that measures offensive production in rate form, WAR measures total accumulated value from all aspects of play. To say it's a "better statistic" is meaningless, every statistic is the best at being itself.

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