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Best white SG coming through

>>77366140
the only better black sg is jordan tho

manu>kobe>the rest

kind of stupid because any 15$ variation without lebron will lose to one with him

>>77366140
Chris Bosh isn't white, nor does he play shooting guard

>>77366140
>Argentina
>white

>>77366163
Drexler and Wade were both better than Manu

Conley
Beal
Kawhi
BronBron
Turner

C: Deandre $3
PF: Davis $5
SF: Ariza $1
SG: Beal $3
PG: Wall $3

>dat mixture of shooting, defense, shot blocking with Wall's passing

We'd run rough shot over the league.

>>77366019
Conely
McCollum
Kawhi
Giannis
Green

Who was better, Shaq or Kobe?

>>77366505
Shaq you fucking idiot

Turner
Draymond
Kawhi
Beal
Wall

Would destroy the league

>>77366019
Turner, Kawhi, Conley, Griffin and DeRozan

>>77366505
Kobe because he didn't fall apart in the 4th quarter of every game.

Conley
McCollum
Ariza
Davis
Gobert

Nothing personell kid

>>77366019
Dragic
Antetokounmpo
Bron
Griffin
DJ

>>77366019
Conley, Harden, Kawhi, Draymond, Turner

unbeatable DESU

>>77366019
Dragic
Beal
Kawhi
Green
Jordan

1st seed in the east

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trade Kyrie for DJ and Beverley

>referee goes to prison for rigging games
>referees have most power of any refs in sports, allowing them to influence games any way they/the league wants
>5 teams have won 70% of the titles
>everyone is a superteam now
>draft is rigged
>players matter more than teams
>only reason people pay attention to league is because of the TMZ tabloid drama that the NBA leaks to the media to make up storylines and drama to keep reality tv watchers entertained

How the fuck do you defend watching this league, /nba/? Seriously, you should be fucking embarrassed

>>77366691
>Harden
Lmafuckingo

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https://twitter.com/Chargers/status/891393909393211393

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>>77366767
>How the fuck do you defend watching this league

>he doesn't understand that it's all about getting another one for da land.

>>77366777
the man can score

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Lowry
Derozan
CJ Miles
Ibaka
JV
If Kyrie leaves cleveland the East will be so shit this team could make the finals.

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>positions

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>>77366859
>game 6
>can score

>>77366924
also i hope that fuck casey starts powell. He's always better as a starter since derozan and klow take pressure off of him.

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>positionless basketball

>>77366924
desu i don't think you guys even make the playoffs. Something tells me that if philly is healthy, they're going to wreck your ass.

>>77366991
that's insane. Philly will not be better than Toronto. Philly is probably not going to be a playoff team next year. They're going to be good but even in the East, you can't make the playoffs with 3 20 year old rookies starting.

Now that Cavs are falling to pieces, does Boston have EC locked up or could someone like Toronto surprise?

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>desu i don't think you guys even make the playoffs.

>>77367024
i was typing how you'd be wrong but i forgot they still got ibaka. meh.

I think the Celtics get knocked out in the first round next year by a 7th or 8th seed Sixers desu

>>77367121
Kyle Lowry will be better than any of Embiid, Fultz, and Simmons next year. Kyle Lowry on his own might have more Win Shares than all 3 of them next year. And I really like those guys! But 2 of them are rookies and Embiid is the next thing to a rookie.

What, Dario Saric is going to carry them to the playoffs? Reddick is going to take them to the playoffs? What?

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>I think the Celtics get knocked out in the first round next year by a 7th or 8th seed Sixers desu

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>>77367150
>7th or 8th seed Sixers

>>77367171
it could happen in 2018-19 pretty easily

>>77367171
It's quite likely actually

>>77367208
By that time Embiid would have played around 80 games and have a full season of experience.

Yo how bad will the Warriors shit on the Celtics if they somehow manage to get into the finals?

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>a team of a manlet, 10 small forwards and a non rebounding pf is going to go anywhere in the East

i thought you guys were gonna get jimmy butler and blake griffin and paul george and porzingis lmao

>>77366019
Wall
Batum
Kawhi
Millsap
Gobert

This team would sweep the Warriors

>>77367248
They were the 1st seed in the East in the season that just ended and it's not because of Amir Johnson. They're a good team.

The trade down was weak as shit though

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>It's quite likely actually

What country has the best all-time starting 5 after the US? I think it's
>Doncic
>Petrovic
>Kukoc
>Saric
>Bender

>>77367029
>could someone like Toronto surprise?
sick meme

Raps are doomed to be 4th seed for the forseeable future

As long as Lebron is still on the Cavs, they have the EC on lock - even moreso if they trade Kyrie sooner for someone like Wiggins, maybe then he could start learning how to play defense once they hit the playoffs and he has more of a reason to improve himself as a player

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>>77367297
THERE IS NOTHING AFTER THE US

MERIICA USAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAVVLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRON

Mfw someone in my /nba/ still rates >Bender

>Cavs
>Wizards
>Raptors
>Celtics
>76ers
>Bucks
>Miami
>Pistons

Celtics out in the first round tbqh

>>77367297
Doncic isn't Croatian, is he? I'm confused.

also, Lithuania with the patented 5-Sabonis Offense

>>77367287
An okay team, that just traded away their second best player who was also theyre best fucking defender - they're going to do worse this year than they did last

also what's going on here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Hayward

>>77367400
>On July 4, 2017, Hayward announced via The Players' Tribune that he will sign with the Boston Celtics.[35] On July 14, he signed with the Celtics[36] to a reported four-year, $128 million contract.[37] He made his debut on October 26 against the magic scoring 15 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists. On December 16, he had a sewson high with 43 pointe in a win against the Brooklyn Nets. On February 14, Gordon slipped in a game against the Detriot Pistons. He was ruled out for the season and the Celtics lost in the semifinals. In his second season with Boston, they made it to the finals but lost in six games to the San Antonio Spurs. The next season, Hayward averaged 20.8 PPG, 6.2 RPG, and 5.7 APG. The Celtics had revenge on the Spurs and beat them in five games. It was Hayward's first ever title. During that offseason, the Celtics traded Jaylen Brown, and a second round pick to the Toronto Raptors for Serge Ibaka. This would make them worse because Ibaka is old and Brown is young and is getting better. The Celtics didn't do that good in the next season. They lost in the semifinals to the Washington Wizards.

top kek

>>77367379
the 76ers are not going to be better than the Bucks or Miami and probably not Detroit either. The 76ers are not going to be better than Giannis ffs

you people are insane

>>77367400
I know people don't agree with me on this but I firmly believe Jae Crowder is a better defender than Avery Bradley.

but even setting that aside , they were not the first seed because of Avery Bradley. and Gordon Hayward is a very very good basketball player.

>>77367451
Brogdon is a dirty player

>>77367478
dirty players are great

>>77367297
Divac
Radmanovic
Stojakovic
Bodiroga
Djordjevic

Would sweep those sissy bitches

>>77367451
>Gordon Hayward is a very very good basketball player.
said nobody ever

he's alright but you guys fucked up on that trade honestly

Why aren't we talking bout the pistons then? literally fleeced Boston for their best defender and arguably best player. big 3 of drummond, bradley and jackson. they are definitely in the mix for 4-7

>>77367494
if i played pickup with brogdon id knock him on his ass if he tried that dirty shit with me, nothing personal but he needs to learn to respect the game

>>77367560
I'm not even a Celtics fan. I like Gordon Hayward and I like Jae Crowder and I like Horford and Thomas. They have a lot of good players.

You guys think every team with loud fans sucks. Except for the Lakers, somehow, despite the fact that they actually do suck.

>>77367567
Reggie Jackson is bad and apparently a gigantic asshole everyone hates, and Drummond is bad on offense, and Bradley was not even close to being the Celtics best player that is a lunatic idea.

I think they'll probably make the playoffs as the 7 or 8 seed because the East is so bad but I would not wanna be their team

Tobias Harris is good though I like that guy, he could really make a difference on a contender

>>77366140
Is Grayson Allen going to be the next good white guard that can dunk?

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>jerry west
>1-8
>muh genius front office man overshadows being a choking bitch

LMAO

LMAO

lets be honest
miami vs golden state, dion waiters FMVP

>>77367673
they should give Mirotic an offer sheet, he'd be really good on that team

i don't remember whether they have cap space or not

>>77367624
Every team in the east, exluding the cavs, does pretty much suck right now though

What kind of top-seeded team gets cleaned out 4-1 in the conference finals?

What are the Bulls doing? Why not buy out Wade?

>>77367709
If the idea was that the Celtics don't have a shot at winning the Finals, I'd agree with that. but they are one of the 2 best teams in the East. They're almost certainly going to make the conference finals and they have a reasonable shot at making the Finals.

>>77366473
>picking deandre EVER
if you cant make a freethrow its time pack your bags

>>77367732
The idea is that they aren't looking to be as good of a team right now than they were last year, being one of the best teams in the East isn't really an accomplishment and nobody in the East stands a shot at making the finals over the Cavs unless Lebron gets injured

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>They're almost certainly going to make the conference finals and they have a reasonable shot at making the Finals.

>>77367804
They're going to be better than last year. How are they going to be worse than last year? They got better this offseason.

>>77367379
you're retarded

1. cavs
2. celtics
3. bucks
4. wizards
5. 76ers
6. raptors
7. miami
8. pistons

celtics still out first round though LMAO

>>77367827
Who are we talking about? Surely not the Celtics, who lost their best defender and a big man and got THREE more small forwards?

They objectively got worse, which is fine for me as a Wizards fan

>>77366019
If you leave lelbron out your opinion doesn't matter
Conley 2$
Curry 0$
Lelbron 5$
Draymond 4$
Cousins 4$

>>77367859
How are the 76ers better than Toronto. How are the 76ers better than Miami.

>>77367889
They added Reddick and Fultz and they got Simmons coming back who didn't play at all last year

The Sixers significantly improved, it's more of a question if chemistry is good

>>77367804
>and nobody in the East stands a shot at making the finals over the Cavs
The Cavs are older and they won't have Kyrie Irving anymore.

That means Lebum will do everything again and he will still need his rest because there's no way he will log 40+ minutes at his age.

The meme that they're worse off just because they lost key rotation players are also discounting the fact that they added new guys who can ball. 2-3 seasons ago nobody gave a fuck about their lesser known players until they got traded or released this offseason.

If Brad Stevens can minmax a bunch of scrubs with improved win percentages, now he has a real All-Star and two 3rd pick rookies to work with.

>>77367872
They lost Avery Bradley and Amir Johnson, and they gained Gordon Hayward, who is much better than either of those players by any standard. They still have a ton of good wing defenders, including Gordon Hayward who has the benefit of also being a great offensive wing unlike Avery Bradley. And they lost Amir Johnson, yes, but Amir Johnson is Amir fucking Johnson. We're not talking about a superstar here. We're talking about Amir Johnson. You cannot seriously be telling me that the Celtics are bad now because they lost Amir Johnson and Avery Bradley. I mean come on.

>>77367913
Simmons is not going to be an all-star next year. I like Simmons but he's a 20 year old fucking rookie. And so is Fultz. I really like both of those guys but they're not carrying you to the playoffs their rookie years, and neither is Reddick. They're going to be really good the year after next though. And they're going to be fun. They're not going to be better than Miami or Toronto both of whom have multiple established all-star level players.

>>77367885
more like
Conley 2$
Curry 10$
Apemond 1$
Durant 0$
Cousins 2$

kek

>>77367928
>still have a ton of good wing defenders
Who? All I remember is Jaylen Brown getting roasted by LeBron every trip down in the ECF...Tatum looked like shit defending in Summer League. Hayward needed a guy like Gobert behind him because he moves bad laterally.

>>77366019
PG Wall
SG Harden (fuck off w him @ PG)
SF Giannis
PF Millsap
C DeAndre

Easy

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Don't believe me, just watch

>>77367983
Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart. Also, guarding playoff LeBron is actually very hard.

>>77367928
>Amir Johnson
Hey man, he helped the raptors get to the second round.

>>77367986
>PF Millsap
yeah you would pick him.

>>77367928
>They lost Avery Bradley and Amir Johnson
And white Jordan aka Kelly Olynyk

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>Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart
>guarding LeBron

>>77368041
idgi

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>Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart
>'le whining to the official then type in CAPS on twitter post game' man and 'le flopping' man

>>77367827
They definitely, on-paper, did not get better at all.
Like at all.
They lost their best defender in a position that is already hard to fill with decent talent in exchange for a guy that defends worse, shoots worse, and scores less and isn't a true SG

you guys have no backcourt talent outside of IT who will still get fucked on by Kyrie and possibly even Lowry, and your frontcourt is arguably weaker now without Olynyk even though you picked up Hayward who is absolutely NOT worth losing both Olynyk and Bradley for

Maybe you guys can flip Tatum for a solid SG in a few years, but you're definitely not better this year than you were last year, potentially a 3 or 4 seed but that's not saying much in the East, you guys would be 14/15 in the West

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>>77368045
>anybody besides Draymond and Kawhi
>effectively defending Lebron

>>77368055
>idgi
?

>>77368069
>and 'le flopping' man
Marcus Smart is the best hustler in the league

FACTS

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>>77368074
>>77368074
but >muh assets right?

>>77368107
Lol Jimmy couldn't defend fucking Crowder and IT, let alone Lebron

Reminder the Bulls collapsed without Rondo

>>77368074
Jimmy G Buckets...the G stands for gowiz

>>77368073
>and possibly even Lowry
lel

>>77368074
>draymond
>effective defending LeBron

>>77368073
forgot you guys lost Amir too, holy shit, how can anyone say you guys are doing better now? I don't even hate the Celtics, I want you guys to be good again one day but you're so far off it's sad that you think you've gotten better somehow by adding Hayward of all people..

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>>77368074

>>77368044
come on man. Kelly Olynyk? Really? That's where we're at as a society?

>>77368045
Almost no one can guard LeBron

>>77368073
You are hating on Hayward to a degree that is completely absurd. And you're also wildly overrating basically every single player the Celtics lost. Hayward is a much better player than Olynyk or Bradley, probably better than both of them put together.

Like, I'm honestly not sure if I'm missing something here, but are you honestly saying that Hayward is worse offensively than Bradley? Or are you referring to someone else there? Because that's just not true.

People are really in this thread inching their way up to saying that Avery Bradley was the best player on the Celtics last year.

>>77368176
You guys had like 3 small forwards already

So you draft another one
You sign another one
and then you trade for another one

It's more so that their skills overlap and your roster has NO ONE who can defend or rebound

Bradley was a two way player, limited he may be in terms of ceiling but losing him and now IT is gonna be exposed

Fultz was the easy pick, he could have easily played SG next to IT for this season and you'd still have something liek Brown/Hayward/Crowder/Morris as a forward rotation

>>77368240
The fact that he was such a great defender allowed him to make up for IT's shitty defense

Smart is not a replacement, Smart doesn't play defense. He flops. It's like comparing Mourning to Divac.

>>77368255
I agree that they should have taken Fultz but that wouldn't matter much for next season either way, neither Fultz nor Tatum is going to play a lot.

They have plenty of defenders. Rebounding is an issue, but at the same time, their offense is going to be a lot better than last year, when you're replacing Bradley with Hayward, and with the amount of spacing that brings.

>>77368240
when will you guys learn that YOU CANT BUILD AROUND A MANLET. Avery Bradley was the memetics best player, he could defend and was a good offensive player, like am middleton or poor mans klay. Now that they got betrayward, IT is 2nd fiddle once again.

>They have plenty of defenders
>Crowder and 1 flopper
>neither can guard bron

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This guy, Sam Presti, this bastard is mugging GM's around the league for draft picks and winning trade deals like he was the school bully. There's very little info about him other than he played Division III at some school in Virginia, and finished in Boston.

He also ended up drafting Tony Parker when he was an intern at the Spurs organization.

One of the most chilling facts is that you'd think a guy this damn crafty would be 50-55 years old pulling deals like he is. He's only 41, one of the younger GM's in the league.

He is now threatening to trade for Carmelo Anthony. How do you stop him from fleecing the Knicks?

>>77368297
Avery Bradley is not a good offensive player . he is not even a destitute man's Klay. what are you people smoking. Gordon Hayward was a much better player than Avery Bradley last year.

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>>77368329
sup

>>77368316
Can Avery Bradley guard Bron?

>>77368176
Ok let's see -
You lost a SG that is a fantastic defender and an actually talented SG - a position that is almost completely devoid of talent nowadays. He's also good for a solid 16-18 ppg and can shoot from 3

You also lost 2 -decent- bigs, a fairly good defender in Amir, and one that can at least stretch the court in Olynyk and they both hustle every game, they aren't Rondos. They're also good for what 9-10 ppg

And you picked up Hayward who I never said is worse offensively than Bradley, but he's not a SG and he's only good for 22, -maybe- 23 ppg and he isn't a defender

So you lost defensive players that rounded your team out nicely for a guy that isn't going to match any of them defensively and will maybe but probably not be able to make up for their combined offensive scoring

on top of that, you're loading your team up with players that are most comfortable playing in that 3 spot and losing more and more players that can excel at the 2 and 4

Hayward is good, he's not great - that's all I'm saying and what you guys gave up to get him was just not worth it.

>>77368365
He's a good offensive player, you are ignoring facts

>>77368393
Ah here comes the strawman

>>77368329
Giving anything for Anthony is the opposite of steal

>>77368365
>Avery Bradley is not a good offensive player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNBU7oO47bY
>can hit the meme
>can shoot
>can cut
>can come off screens
>can probably pnr idk
>can dunk (IT4 cant)
>most importantly, can defend

give me bradley before betraynerd any day

>>77368417
They didn't have anyone who could score besides Thomas last year! it killed them on offense. The roster construction isn't perfect but the core of good players is there who all fit well together. They made the complementary pieces around the core worse, while making the core much better with Hayward. That makes them a better team.

>>77368421
Hayward is a significantly better offensive player than Bradley.

Sorry Celtics are trash and its Ainges fault. Budget Hinkie lmao

>>77368485
I mean, I'm sorry you think Hayward is some miracle child thrown down to you guys from heaven but your team is worse now bud, I don't know how else to make it clearer for you - you guys are lacking a lot more now than what you were last year but oh well just try not to get too upset and off yourself when you realize how wrong you were next year

Id trade it all for a stairway to heaven...

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>>77368630

Pippen > Lebron >....infinite power gap...> Rock Bottom > Gordon Hayward.

Would last year's Utah Jazz have made the conference finals if they were in the East? (and if they had all been healthy through the playoffs)

>>77368832
Where does Fat Lever rank on this scale?

>>77368074
>Jimmy Butler
>Andre Roberson
>J. J. Barea and Jason Terry

>>77368240
He definitely was against the Cavs and was the reason they even had a single win and didn't get swept.

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>>77369393
>>J. J. Barea and Jason Terry

>you now remember 2011

>>77368240
He was the second best without a doubt and was also completely in charge of defending the perimeter and was their second highest scorer who was also able to shoot a 3, which none of their 2 players can do anymore

also this>>77369432
Every single team with an elite guard is now gonna stomp on Boston

>>77368875
Yes easily.

>>77366019
PG: Dragic
SG: Beal
SF: Lebron
PF: Davis
C: Turner

Davis is the only $5 I see necessary since the impact gap between him and the $4 is the biggest gap on this list. I wouldn't really blink at swapping Dragic+Lebron for Conley+Leonard. Depends on how highly you value defense.

The Centers were the easy 1 dollar dumpoff. You just need a guy who can defend and dunk when you've got this much scoring talent and Davis on defense, so Turner was an easy choice.

>>77366019
LeBron
Kawhi
Wall
Conley
Turner

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>>77369810
>Davis is the only $5 I see necessary

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>>77369810
>he spent $10 on two players
fucking retard detected

>>77370099
The rest of the PF list is awful. I'm not paying 4$ for a fourth option or 3$ for a busted Blake Griffin.

There's probably some okay lineup with Milsap. Main thing is the PGs and SGs are all interchangeable enough to me that loading up on SF and PF is ideal.

>>77370332
You do realize that Draymond is either the best or the second best defensive player in the league, right

>>77370257
That's just how the talent is. Lebron's the best point guard there so just get cheap spot up shooters.

>>77370358
If I have to justify how much better Davis is than Draymond then it's not worth talking to you.

>>77370401
Davis is better than Draymond but dismissing Draymond as worthless because he's a 4th option on the best offensive team in the league is insanely stupid

>>77370358
He's also a dirty scumbag not worth my money

>>77370257
You're right I should've just picked all the 3$s. Be okay everywhere instead of all time great in two places and okay everywhere else.

>>77370467
Davis isn't worth $5 my dude.

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>>77366019
thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MrqznD97y0

>>77370497
It's about opportunity cost and fit you warriors cocksucking bandwagon baby. Want me to downgrade to Draymond so I can "upgrade" to Thompson? The difference between Davis and Draymond is bigger than the difference between any other 1 dollar increase on the rosters.

>>77370599
How good do you think Draymond is?

Look at these Lakers fans in the comments.

Now all of them look stupid, and they've turned on Dlo like cannibals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HszorUyUpaI

>>77370640
Pretty good but very limited offensively.

>>77370642
he's going to be better than Lonzo IMO

he is a better player than Lonzo

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>Magic Johnson regarding D'Angelo trade and drafting Lonzo Ball: "We needed a leader, not a scorer"

>>77370789
>Magic would've traded Kobe
Wow, really thought provoking.

>this is the guy they have running the franchise

>>77370701
But isn't elite defensive value worth *something*? More than "pretty good".

>>77370789
I'd rather have a scorer who can't lead than a leader who can't score

>>77370824
That's one hell of an implication you're making there.

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>>77370919

>>77370826
Davis is elite defense. I think Draymond is exactly pretty good. His weaknesses are glossed over because his team's very good at the things he's not good at.

>>77370920
Kobe was selfish as fuck when he was young and would've been traded by Magic's logic in his quote.

>>77371011
Kobe had a tremendous work ethic that was only matched by MJ

Russell is a known slacker

>>77371091
Post proof, because it's not known.

>>77370985
I think Draymond is meaningfully better on defense than Davis, even with Davis being very good or elite on that end. Draymond is extraordinary as a defender. Again, he is either the best or second best defender in the league.

Davis is obviously way better because Davis is a force of nature on offense.

>>77371011
By your own logic you're say D.Lo is as good as Kobe.

>>77371169
>“I don’t know if his work ethic has gotten any better. Some of the people I’ve talked to in the organization said that it hasn’t,” Scott said of Russell. “I just wish him all the best. The maturity level will catch up to him sooner or later when he realizes it’s an honor and a privilege to be in the NBA and be in the position that he’s in. He has to take full advantage of it.”

I know Scott is a hard ass, but where there's smoke there's fire

>>77366019
I steal 10 dollars and get all them niggas for $5, sell them for $20 bucks at a pawn shop, buy $20 dollars worth of kool-aid and drink it with my bitches.

>>77371186
That's my point. Draymond's best attributes disappear when you don't surround him with 3 of the greatest shooters of all time. Something you can't really do in this arrangement because you can't move Draymond to center and Curry and Durant aren't available.

I'd rather an elite defensive bigman who puts up 30/10 on 60% TS than a maybe slightly better defender whose best offensive skill is having to spot up for wide open 3s and swing passes.

I think the difference between those two is way bigger than any other upgrade I could make. Is Conley/Beal/Lebron/Draymond/Turner better? I don't think so, especially with Lebron. Maybe you downgrade Lebron for Leonard and move Beal up to Thompson for a bit more of a defensive minded team but that still looks way worse to me than a team with Lebron running point.

Looking this list the further down the PF column you go the most significant the value decrease. With the centers it felt like going up limited you way more because none of those dudes are offensively gifted.

I think the difference between the PGs and SGs is the most negligible. All of them are good. Just a symptom of guard position being stacked.

>>77371169
https://youtu.be/eWD9pSIiDjY?t=31s

relevant part at 55 seconds

>>77371410
All I heard was good things.

>>77371552
>if he wants to come in at midnight to work out, let's do that everyday, not just when he loses

>>77371381
I think Conley over Dragic is a significant upgrade but going with Davis is definitely defensible, he's an amazing player. I just think there was some understatement of how good Draymond is as a defender.

If you pick anyone from $5 besides Lebron you are a moron
Anyone from $4 besides Kawhi or Draymond, you are a moron
If you pick John Wall at $3 over Conley at $2 you are a moron

>>77366394
Was going to post this, see it's the first suggestion. Excellent. All the players are good at shooting, elite wing D, mobile big man, pass-first PG.

>>77367986
this team is especially bad, it has terrible shooting and having Harden and Wall is redundant because if Harden is playing 2 you may as well just use Beal instead

>>77370332
Dude play small, don't use 2 big men that's stupid. You could have Giannis or Lebron playing 4 alongside Kawhi at 3. The last 6 NBA champs all played small.

>>77371608
I agree. But A: Dragic's shooting is really good with Lebron and B: If I wanted Conley over Dragic I'd rather downgrade Lebron to Leonard. That's kind of how I fell into my lineup.

I think no matter what the right choice for C is Turner. Gobert feels like the only other choice and that's way too expensive for, again, an offensively limited defensive piece.

Conley, Butler, Giannis, Draymond, Turner

either that or Wall, McCollum, Kawhi, Davis, Turner

>>77366019
PROPTIP: If you type "/nba/ general" in the subject line, you don't have to type it again in the body of the post.

You stupid fucking asshole.

>>77371808
chill hinks

>>77371563
That's not a mark against him, that's a mark of encouragement for him going the extra extra mile and then goes on to talk about how it's just a young person thing, and not a thing about him.
You're clearly cherry picking certain things and not listening to the entire message so you can slander a talented young player after the fact or being traded when you and the rest of the Lakers fans/organization had said no such negative things before until Magic Johnson decided to immaturely slight a player in a disrespectful manner just to hype up a recent pick.

I do not want to hear anymore hypocrisy from you or the rest of these Lakers fans that have been spamming the general for years about how great Dlo, Randle, and not Ingram have been or how great they will be without holding themselves accountable and owning up to their mistakes.

>>77371642
You don't have an option to play small. This setup literally requires you to have a traditional center. You can't move your PF to C like The Heat, Spurs, and Warriors can and have in this little game.

So if you're stuck with an offensively limited center who excels at defense, why double up on an offensively limited power forward who excels at defense?

>>77371642
Finally someone else gets it

>>77371873
>You don't have an option to play small
I do though

Conley, McCollum, Crowder, Draymond, Gobert

fuck offense

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>>77371836
I've been saying ever since he was drafted that he was a stop gap, a Nick Van Exel type

He's talented and maybe even a future all-star but the Lakers needed someone who could change the culture of the team, the passive aggressive stye of D'Angelo especially being hot and cold with the media is something a vet like Westbrook does not, not a kid with 1 year under his belt

>>77371980
>McCollum
>fuck offense

>>77372176
OK, so there's 1. That's mostly just because I don't like Batum or Beal, though.

Anyone else here that still can't get over that Paul George trade?

That shit is surreal

>>77371873
It doesn't require one of each position any more than it requires one of each dollar amount

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go mavs

>>77371980
Conley / Klay / Kawhi / Millsap / DeAndre

is better at defense than what you put.

>>77372327
Sup Dan Gilbert?

>>77371642
>Beal is as good a shooter as Harden

Lmaooo

My team is basically the Rockets except they'd dominate the Warriors

nba2k18 looks sick as fuck are they just baiting or did they actually get their shit together?

>>77372970
They aren't talking about online im legit afraid Canada-kun

>>77372811
dude 3/5 of your team can't shoot well. Beal is a better 3-pt shooter than Harden and a better defender and costs 1 less dollar that you can use to upgrade Giannis into Kawhi, who is a much better shooter and defender. Plus you have John Wall who is shit at halfcourt offense and also can't shoot 3's. DeAndre is redundant when Giannis and Millsap can both play as big men. He'd just get put into screens and roasted by the opposing guards. Your team composition is straight outta 1995 dude.

>>77372970
what does it look like they fixed? I wanna get it but then I'd hav eto get ps plus

lets be reasonable and logical and analytical. if you don't pick bron-loyal james and use a $5 dollar max pick on him you're a fucking retard who shouldn't be posting here.

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>>77366019
Harden - $4
Antetokounmpo - $3
James - $5
Milsap - $2
Gasol - $1

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>>77372811
>Bradley Beal
>.482 FG%, .404 3PT%
>Harden
>44% FG% and .347 3PT%

>Lmaoo with three o's

Never post here again

People unironically picking Harden and Wall have learning disabilities

If your guards can't shoot 3s you aren't winning shit in this league anymore

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>>77366019
3 John Wall
4 James Harden
5 Lebron James
1 Pau Gasol
2 Dwight Howard

that was easy

>>77373203
I'd unironically drop Wall for Conley, then put the extra dollar into Boogie

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>>77366019
>DeRozan is better than Klay
>Gobert is better than Cousins
>Millsap is better than Pau

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>>77373409
>3 John Wall
>4 James Harden

Only nigel I trust is nuggies nigel desu

>>77373233
MyGM/MyLeague is getting upgraded... If you like those modes, I guess

I was hoping for some online improvements against cheese but gotta make that cash i guess

>>77373516
>>Millsap is better than Pau
This is a fact tho

>>77373565
I don't give a fuck about any of that shit. I only play online on psorts games and if the online's shit then I don't care. I don't have time to play mygm I'd rather play jrpgs and nintendo shit

>>77373607
They haven't talked about online yet afaik and that worries me

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>Millsap is better than Pau
>This is a fact tho

Giannis
LeBron
Kawhi

Keep the change.

>>77373516
>Millsap is better than Pau
but this is absolutely 100% true. There's a reason Millsap just got paid twice as much this summer.

>>77373635
:/

the cheese has been horrible this whole gen. probably won't be getting madden or 2k again

>>77373706
Pau = borderline HoF
Millsap = a literal who

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>but this is absolutely 100% true. There's a reason Millsap just got paid twice as much this summer.

>>77373404
>If your guards can't shoot 3s you aren't winning shit in this league anymore
>OKC is the worst in the league at 3s
>SAC is one of the best in the league at 3s

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Conley is a Gasol babby
>>77366019

PG - Harden
SG - Batum
SF - LeBron
PF - Cousins
C - Turner

>>77366019
Lebron, Drayon, and $6 worth of whatever.

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>>77366019
>Spent $5 on DeRozan or Gobert
>Picked Dwight Howard
>Didn't pick LeBron
If this applies to you, please put on a trip so the reasonable posters can filter you in the future.

>>77374060
Why is he yawning

Would Boston be a good fit for Henson? They need a big who can rebound.

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>>77366019
C:Howard $2
PF:AD $5
SF:Lelbron $5
SG:Ariza $1
PG:Conley $2
Literally unbeatable

>>77374306
he's communicating on a different frequency

>>77374384
>howard
>SG: Ariza

>>77366019

AD
Klay
Giannis
Conley
Turner

This team stomps everything

>>77374384
Howard can still fuck up a team as the 4th man

Danny Ainge edition:
PG: Lebum
SG: Kawhi
SF: Crowder
PF: Giannis
C: Gasol

>>77372578
It's not even close to being better at defense. Draymond and Gobert are literally the two best defenders in the league. And Crowder is also a very, very, very good defender. Klay is a good man defender but that doesn't make up for the fall-off from not having actual Draymond Green and Rudy Gobert on the court.

>>77373404
Harden isn't a great 3-point shooter but he's fine at it, especially taking into account his usage. It's definitely an issue for Wall though.

>>77374384
No team with Dwight Howard on it is unbeatable

>>77374509
this team is too big

>we live in a timeline where Kyrie is in Japan buying weeb body pillows instead of answering the cavs calls

>>77366019
Conley
Klay
Kawhi
Draymond
Turner

Literally All-Defense and all 20ppg who shoot 3s, besides Draymond

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Fuck this shit, we already know Conley is the best value pg no brainer pick and lebron is a no brainer pick as well

shuffle things up a bit

Kyrie
Booker
PG
AD
Gasol

>>77375198
>Draymond above Davis

What the fuck

>>77375198
Embiid 2$
AD 4$
Kawhi 5$
Booker 1$
Kemba 3$

>>77375198
Kemba
Booker
Kawhi
AD
Embiid

Sweep Golden State in 5

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>>77375198
Teague
Butler
Porter
Davis
Towns

>tfw the real life twolves cost 17 bucks

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>>77375418
great minds think alike

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>>77375408

positions dont exist anymore, please edit your chart

>>77375438
>Davis

>>77375408
>>77375418
stop looking at my sheet

>>77375198
Is that Rudy Gay on that chart

IS THAT RUDY GAY?

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>when the news nonexistent and the thread so dead you gotta play build a team games and make half the thread arguing about the hypothetical teams

do pills actually help depression and anxiety or do they just make you a zombie? not that any of the happy folk on /nba/ would know anything...you're all extremely successful individuals except me

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>>77375560
this

offseason is so boring I can't help but be depressed don't even feel like drinking right now

>>77375523
Serious question, name one frontcourt better than AD/Embiid if (((healthy)))

>>77375517
wat

>>77375628
is Dieng supposed to be AD on your real life twolves

>>77375560
I like this better than arguing the top 10 all time, which objectively follows as such:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Lebron James
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

I'm sorry, but did LaVar Ball hire this little hoes to "date" his ugly ass sons to help promote BBB or someshit??????

Seems like the type of thing he would pull.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgzI4Bm6wdM

>>77366019
Conley
Beal
LeBron
Millsap
DJ

OR

Westbrook
Batum
Kawhi
Millsap
DJ

>>77375708
>Magic over Kareem

Other than that I can find no fault in your list.

>>77375198
Kemba Walker $3
Jimmy Butler $5
Paul George $4
Paul Millsap $2
Marc Gasol $1

be a pretty good team

>>77375615
AD/KAT. AD/Cousins is slightly worse since Cousins isn't that as good on defense.

>>77375198
Kemba $3
Bradley $3
Kawhi $5
Millsap $2
Gasol $1

under budget too
nobody take the Kevin Love bait please

>>77375786
>isn't that as good on defense.

understatement of the century of the millenium of the eon

>>77375708
Move Lebron to 2, move Magic down below Wilt. Take Kobe off the list entirely and add Russell at 10. Then you'd be right.

>>77366019
Westbrook, CJ, Giannis, Draymond, and Dwight.
Who tf stopping them?

>>77375849
3-5

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>>77375198
Thomas
Booker
Leonard
Davis
Gasol

>Green and Irving at $5
TOP LYL

>>77375749
Magic carried Kareem more than Kareem carried Magic imo. After Kareem retired, Magic was still Magic and got to the finals only to lose to MJ but he was getting old. Also looking at their skill-level respectively, Magic is arguably the most talented athlete in any major sport. If he doesn't get HIV, his career stats would be ridiculous.

>>77375864
the other team clogging the paint lmaoing at their inability to hit 3 pointers

>>77375595
I think they're helpful and they don't make you a zombie (at least SSRIs and SNRIs don't; some of the more old-school meds might have stronger side effects). They don't remove the issues entirely but they make them a lot less bad at least for me. I strongly encourage giving them a try.

>>77375900
Doesn't matter. Kareem had the better career and won more championships. He's the greatest scorer of all time.

>>77375832
Not really. Cousins has never had a below average defensive season.

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>>77375198

1 marc gasol
4 Anthony Davis
4 Paul George
1 D Booker
3 Kemba Walker

I'm actually under budget

>>77375198
>Marc Gasol $1
>Demarcus Cousins $3

I would pay 3 for Gasol before I would pay 1 for Cousins

>>77375708
This is objectively the best list I've seen here. Maybe take wilt out since he was playing against shitty competition. Throw in AI somewhere down the list since he's lb for lb the goat.

>>77375867
I mean, I still have him below Jordan

>>77375900
Kareem was also a great player in the league for a literal decade before Magic entered the league, including his run of dominance at the beginning of the 70s which won him a title and is probably statistically the most dominant stretch for any basketball player in history. His stats were truly amazing and watching video of him, he was a force of nature. Obviously all 70s stats do come with an asterisk because of the ABA and cocaine but still, he was extraordinarily dominant for a decade before he teamed up with Magic.

And the problem with Magic is that you have to play hypotheticals about what he could have done if his career hadn't been derailed by HIV. But the fact is that, unfortunately, it was derailed by HIV and we don't know what he would have done. He's definitely the best PG of all time though.

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>Maybe take wilt out since he was playing against shitty competition

Is this nikka serious?

>>77366019
>>77375198
real question: who tf is paying anything for cousins

>>77375937
>greatest scorer of all time
Jordan played 5 less seasons and only has 5K less points. If Jordan didn't retire until his 20th year Jordan would be sitting at 40K.

>>77376021
I would take Wilt but for 50ppg and 20rpg, 100 point game, leading the league in assists, and iirc, he won MVP his rookie year. He entered the league in the 60s so it wasn't like he was playing against scrubs like Mikan. And further proof that he wasn't a big fish in a little pond is that even in his old age in the 70s, he was still a top 10 player in the league.

>>77376059
it's really hard to play 7 years in the NBA and never even make the playoffs accidentally, Cousins is a special category of cancer.

>>77376082
Jordan didn't have no skyhook

>>77366019
I just spend $8 and take the white people, then before games start I break niggas legs.

>>77376103
he played for the Kings

oh, no, you know, they went out of their way to surround him with talent

>>77376007
Then you're stupid.

>>77366019
Westbrook $5
CJ $2
Kawhi $4
Blake $3
Myles $1

>>77376059

no one will at 4 dollars

>>77376109
Dat fadeaway doe.....

Will the Cloppers ever be relevant?

>>77376167
these tired ass excuses again

that 12/13 team had more than enough talent to make the playoffs if Cousins wasn't such a whiny bitch ass chucking diva.

>>77376263
that was Isaiah's second year and he hadn't taken on his full form yet. and outside of him, it was the usual shit. Jason Thompson! Tyreke Evans! Marcus Thornton! Those are bad NBA players. Keith Sweat is a shitty coach. Their front office was amazingly bad at the time. And Cousins was a 22 year old in his third season in the league.

>>77376263
The fuck? His second best player was baby IT. Tyreke Evans was the next. That's pretty shit. Davis barely made the playoffs with Evans as his third best player and Davis needed KD and Westbrook to get injured to do that.

People seriously sleep on Tim Duncan. Even though he's objectively the best PF ever people still leave him out of the top 5 many times and idk why. He's top 5 all time. His nickname fits him perfect because he really is the most fundamental player ever, along with Hakeem but I give the edge to Tim because of longevity. Tim has also sacrificed stats to play in the most pass friendly team since 80s Lakers and if he was the main guy on an average team for most of his career he would have unbelievable career stats.

tldr; Stop fucking sleeping on my boy Duncan

>>77376397
and you know what? Every player you just stuck a ! has made the playoffs.

you know who hasn't?

Cousins

people keep blaming the Kings dysfunction for Cousins failure when they need to blame Cousins with his rotten attitude and penchant for failure for the Kings dysfunction

>>77376611
Because the best PF isn't in the same league as the best Centers.

Also some of the ratings come down to peaks vs longevity. Some people think peak dominance is more important than being an all star when you're 35.

>>77373878
>Pau = borderline HoF
One of the most retarded things I've ever read

I'm a Celtics fan, and he's a definite HoFer, nothing borderline about it

>>77376611
He gets slept on because he got to play for one coach his whole career, that coach being arguably the greatest.

>>77376659
Tyreke Evans making the playoffs isn't because of Tyreke Evans, though. He went to another team with a better player than Cousins.

Maybe Cousins makes the playoffs this year having done what Tyreke did and team up with AD and Jrue.

>>77376611
>Even though he's objectively the best PF ever

Karl Malone was way better, won more individual awards, and is one of the greatest scorers ever.
KG was more talented than Duncan, played at the same time, but doesn't get the credit he deserves because he was loyal to his shitty team and wasted his prime there.

Get your ass some pills Spurdora.

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>>77376611
tim duncan is top 3 all time

@ me if you want you'll still be wrong as fuck lmao

>>77375786
>Cousins is worse on defense than KAT
opinion discarded

I would only play KAT at PF with Embiid Turner or Cousins at C.
KAT can't defend slippery wet dog poop

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>>77376783
>Karl Malone was way better, won more individual awards, and is one of the greatest scorers ever.
>KG was more talented than Duncan, played at the same time, but doesn't get the credit he deserves because he was loyal to his shitty team and wasted his prime there.
>Get your ass some pills Spurdora.

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>Karl Malone was way better

>>77376845
He wasn't saying Cousins was worse than KAT on defense, he's saying he's worse than Embiid.

Which is technically true but Embiid has played one very, very limited season so the sample size is awful.

>>77376810
get some icy hot, rub it on your back
Before you break that f****** around with Shaq
Sit down man, you be doin’ the most
You know you’re your ass is barbeque chicken in the post

>>77376783
Karl Malone was a bitch who always choked in the playoffs. You have to really take some credit away for that.

And I think you can make a reasonable argument that Duncan was better than KG. He was certainly a better defender.

>>77375438
>Butler $5
>Towns $3
>Wiggins $3
>Teague $2
>Gibson $1
>$17

/nba/ literally can't even count

>>77376783
>because he was loyal to his shitty team
He left his shitty team though

>>77376951
>>77376869
The underage squad has awoken.

Spurdora defense force assemble!

>>77376694
Why choose peak over longevity though? With that argument Curry is top 15 all time but we know that's not true.

>>77376718
Pop would have 0 rings without Duncan. Pop has always said the players deserve all the credit because they're the ones actually playing on the court.

>>77376783
>Karl Malone is better
Reminder that the mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday.
>KG is better
That's debatable. Duncan was more polished though and wasn't a edgemaster like KG

>>77377023
Only after he was past his prime and the team wanted to trade him. Do you know literally anything about the 90's-00's at all?

>>77376954
Embiid is miles better on defense than KAT though.
He's also a better shooter.
If we include Embiid at all his sample size doesn't matter.

>>77376659
That's just ridiculous. Those players are not good players. They're at most useful role players.

Stop taking the Kings front office propaganda at face value. It's just ridiculous. Use some independent thought. The Kings front office, up until like the last year, have been awful and dysfunctional and they have been extraordinarily bad at putting good players in place and building a solid team. That's why the Kings have been shitty. Not because of DeMarcus Cousins being a dick, which admittedly he is, but he's also one of the 5 best centers in the league. It's ridiculous. Goddamn dumbass Sacramento fans out from the goddamn suburbs.

>>77377079
>Why choose peak over longevity though? With that argument Curry is top 15 all time but we know that's not true.

It's more like a tie breaker. Like Shaq's peak is so amazing and dominant. It was the most dominant basketball anyone's ever seen. So some people push him up the list in to their top 5 for that.

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>my face when some retard from salt lake city or provo says that malone is better than duncan

LMAO

>>77377023
he was traded you cock

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>>77376961
>more all defensive first teams
>won DPOTY
>Duncan never won DPOTY
>lead the league in rebounds 4 times, Duncan never did
>Averages more steals
>averaged more blocks before he played on the Celtics

>better defender

>>77377082
Yeah, I know literally some things about that era