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Tomorrow marks one week away from a football game.

Dak is a top 10 QB

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The nanners will another superb owl before the Jets' next winning season.

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Important reminder.

1) Cowboys 14-2
2) Seahawks 13-3
3) Buccaneers 11-5
4) Vikings 11-5
5) Falcons 10-6
6) Giants 11-5

1) Raiders 14-2
2) Patriots 12-4
3) Steelers 12-4
4) Colts 10-6
5) Dolphins 11-5
6) Chiefs 10-6

>>77324811
>it's the Pats responsibility to make sure the teams they're facing have a winning record

>>77324811
>the Rasm give teams free wins
>this somehow makes the pats bad

>>77324811
Since 2012, the patriots have played a league mid tier of good and bad teams

Since 2014, 3/5ths winning teams, the seahawks meanwhile have played the rams and still lose.

Kill yourself.

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>Earl Thomas soon to be at full speed
>Defensive Line gelling
>O-line can't possibly be as bad as last year
>Wilson Healthy
>Rawls Healthy
>plenty of competition at RCB and SAM

Who can possibly stop us?

>>77324822
>implying the cowshits aren't going 3-13
You'll never break the 8-8 curse. Embrace it.

>>77324822
can't complain on any of them

>>77324822
>5) Falcons 10-6
>6) Giants 11-5

>>77324811
The Pats have to play the playoffs out every year and those teams don't have losing records.

>>77324875
>O-line can't possibly be as bad as last year
It won't be as bad. It'll be worse.

Official top 10 QBs

1. Rodgers
2. Ryan
3. Wilson
4. Brees
5. Brady
6. Roethlisberger
7. Luck
8. Newton
9. Rivers
10. Prescott

>>77324874
He wasn't referring to the rams no one does and idk the rams probably prep way more for us, they take it serious and they matchup well against us but He means 2010-2013 the 49ers are a high level owl contender and the cardinals went 13-3 in 2015 and were good a couple years before that can you name many playoff teams other than the pats since 2000 from that division. No because the other teams are consistently shit and give the pats free wins and the cardinals went to the owl in like 09 I think

>>77324875
>>77325000
No it will be better unless all of them get injured in a car accident it will be considerably better

>>77324822
>Cowboys go 14-2 with that fucking schedule you have a new kind of autism come on there in the NFC east not the afc east they're gonna go like 10-6 or 11-5 tops and that's if the curse doesn't set in and they get cucked by the giants and eagles

>>77324822
>2) Patriots 12-4
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>no edition name

>>77325111
>it will be better because reasons

>>77325089
Dolphins went to the playoffs last year retard, Jets played them in the playoffs in 2010, 49ers and rams have been trash since 2014. The seahawks weren't even relevant in 2008, they finished 4-12.

Patriots, Jets and Dolphins were in the playoffs in 01, try again.

>>77324981
Im sorry 9-7 and 10-6 are just the hardest games when you've got home field advantage amirite

>>77325048

1. Brady
2. Ryan
3. Rodgers
4. Brees
5. Carr

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>>77325048
>Cam is a top-10 QB
>30th in completion %
>21st in yards
>20th in TDs
>25th in QBR
>10th in INTs

When will this meme fucking die?

If yo ho only knew

>>77325089
The seahawks had bum schedules when the NFCW was good, their only credit is beating the 49ers in 2013.

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>>77324628
>BAL:'No one overly concerned' about Flacco's back

Except every single Ravens fan

>>77325212
>raw stats
When will this meme fucking die?

>>77325212
b-but black people! how can whitebois compete with his #$-$wag

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>>77324628
>ATL:Report: Falcons 'hit snag' in Freeman talks
good Glad they are still making smart moves. Paying a RB is one of the quickest ways a team can go from good to shit. Let him walk and let Coleman carry the load with some no name journeyman off the street guy coming in on snaps when he's tired and the falcons just might have a couple more winning seasons

>>77325089
Dolphins were in the playoffs, they even edged the patriots out in 2008 when Brady was injured.

>>77325048
Much better top 10 QBs
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Wilson
4. Brees
5. Ryan
6. Roethlisberger
7. Rivers
8. Luck
9. Stafford
10. Carr

There's a lot of interest in an NFL suicide pool in my office. What's the best site to use? Our office fantasy leagues usually use ESPN and we use CBS for March Madness.

>>77325212
he's probably projecting for this year ya doofus

>>77325048
>>77325203
>2. Ryan
These are the same sad sort of individuals who were trying to convince people that >Smeth was a top 10 QB this time last year.

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>>77325231
>live look at Baltimore

>>77325212
This. Newton overthrows from 5 yards with 6'5 fucking receivers, hes a vick wannabe goon like every other black QB since 2004.

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>>77325260
>Rodgers is GOA-

>>77325237
How about going from 15-1 to 6-10?

Cam is too inconsistent to be a top 10 talent.

>>77325265
ESPN is fine I used it last year for my group of friends

lmao you faggots are so obsessed with me, can't wait until you fuckers get to see the Patriots coast to another Owl while Ravens and Lions both finish last in their division. Don't @ me fuckers.

>>77325048
>>77325260
Brady and Brees aren't top 5 Quarterbacks, this isn't 2010

>>77324981
>two games away from super bowl
>both at home where "technical difficulties" always seem to effect only the opposing team

>>77325231
It sounds like he should still be back for week 1

>>77325293
Newton>>Vick

I dont understand this nostalgia people have with Vick.

>>77325260

>wilson

what is this meme?

>>77325304
>thinking he is the primary reason for that
smdh @ you fantasy cuxx

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>>77325300

>>77325325
He's a race mixing cuckold Jew. Why are you giving him free (You)s?

>>77325253
>Paying a RB is one of the quickest ways a team can go from good to shit
So can not paying one. See: Green Bay, Seattle

>>77325307
Sweet, we'll just use that then. Most people who'd participate will already have ESPN accounts.

>mfw

>>77325300
If Brady hit that 2nd quarter pass to edelman he'd have 500 yards, incredible.

>>77325293
>/pol/ autists are also fantasy c'ucks
This explains so much.

>>77325325
lmao, Wilshit couldn't get past >us last year.

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>>77324875

>O-line can't possibly be as bad as last year

bruh we have been saying that shit since 2014 when the OL got really bad and it honestly hasn't stopped getting worse.

I want to dream since the Seahawks have an awesome QB but no OL to let him really hit his stride.

I'm just praying that the seahawks do what they used to do back in 2012/13 where they'd go off like a rocket at the mid-point of the season and meme shit up.

>>77325319
Brees has elite consistency. He's been over 4,500 yards every season since 2009.

>>77325361
Brees is a manlet cuck who can't win a playoff game for his life anymore. Bow down to Matty Ice, fucktard.

>>77325089
01 hmmmmmm that was 16 years ago lol and that was the first time the dolphins made the playoffs in 8 years and they got eliminated first round meanwhile the nfc west has had 2 other teams in their division reach the Superbowl since 09 can you even remember the last time the bills made the superbowl and a team from the nfc west has appeared in the championship game since 09 i think 5 times and every team in the nfc west has appeared in the super bowl since 2000 youre fucking retarded to think that the patriots division has been remotely good even once in the past 20 years you're fucking stupid muh the the the dolphins went 10-6 once and and and there was that one time brady got injured and and 16 years ago when we had no quarterback othre teams were almost good in our division

>>77325339
>So can not paying one. See: Green Bay, Seattle

Seattle is more what happens when you can't pay your offensive linemen.

>>77325325
He probably is too high, but he's a top 8 QB for sure

>>77325373
He's not even Top 20, LOL

>>77325324
Any intelligent QB >>>>>>>> Vick > Newton

Vick was the original meme QB, is it any coincidence colleges began grooming dozens of them after his Falcon years? Newton said himself Vick was his inspiration. Hes a clown and an inconsistent hack who rode a great defense and a stout run game into the playoffs.

>>77325300
Comparing like this is dumb. Rodgers and Brady aren't competing in the 100m dash, they are just QBs on different teams. It doesn't matter who scored the most points or who won the game when comparing individual players, what matters is who does the most to help their team win. It's not Brady's job to stop Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson or Matt Ryan from scoring, it's his team's job. What you actually seem to be arguing is that the Patriots are a better team than the Packers, which I don't think anyone would argue. But that isn't what that anon was saying, and I think you knew that

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>>77325319
>mfw someone takes this b8

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>>77325324
>Newton>>Vick
Well that's an...interesting position to have...

>>77325177
>>77325089
>>77325254
Read
>>77325370

>>77325372
Seahawks had to choose between keeping their defensive guy and having on O-line. They also thought they could just coach up guys cause Tom Cable is a miracle worker. They chose kind of wrong. It was a tough gamble made worse by them wasting so many draft picks on Percy Harvin.

>>77325361
>replying to bait

>>77325324
Vick revolutionized the Scrambling QB type and did it so other players could emulate it. Also was THE original NFL Bad Boy, not these nu-male cucks of half-nigger shits like Wilshit or Presshit

top QB seasons of 2017

Rodgers (shared MVP) - 382/569 (67.1%), 4,711 yards (8.3y/a), 41 touchdowns* (7.2%*), 6 interceptions (1.1%*), 112.0 passer rating*.

Brees (shared MVP) - 421*/593 (71.0%*), 4,691 yards (7.9y/a), 37 touchdowns (6.2%), 11 interceptions (1.9%), 107.2 passer rating.

Brady (season ending injury week 13) - 279/413 (67.6%), 3,380 yards (8.2y/a), 29 touchdowns (7.0%), 5 interceptions (1.2%), 110.8 passer rating.

Luck - 396/611 (64.8%), 4,890 yards* (8y/a), 39 touchdowns (6.4%), 12 interceptions (2.0%), 102.5 passer rating.

Winston - 410/630 (65.1%), 4,799 yards (7.6y/a), 40 touchdowns (6.3%), 16 interceptions* (2.5%), 98.6 passer rating.

Derek Carr - 365/555 (65.6%), 4,301 yards (7.7y/a), 33 touchdowns (5.9%), 9 interceptions (1.6%), 102.2 passer rating.

*denotes league leader in statistic

Comeback player of the year:
Cam Newton - 301/488 (61.7%), 3,890 yards (8.0y/a), 27 touchdowns (5.5%), 12 interceptions (2.5%), 94.9 passer rating.

>>77325382
Who would you rather have, Wilson or Dalton?

These Rams faggots have invaded my city for summer training.

Bringing all these fucking teams to southern California was a huge mistake

>>77325300
>Wilson 1 TD, 4 INT
>still wins
Jesus Christ McCarthy, get it together.

>>77325406
>this insane damage control
lmao, keep trying fuckin faggot, ur a joke who supports a joke team ROFL

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>>77325276
Ryan has been 2 his whole career though.

>>77325414
Nigger, I'd take AJ McCarron over both.

>>77325370
>it doesn't count if I say it doesn't
>lol 2001 doesn't matter but muh 2009

Okay then.

>>77325339
I don't understand those teams literally have both been in the playoffs every year since 2012, they are literally teams that spent money elsewhere (GB to the Oline, Seattle to the Secondary) and are reaping the rewards

>>77325177
The NFL west has appeared in 4 super bowls since 09 and like 6 or 7 since 2000 made up with all four teams

>>77325429
I'll take that senpai. Brady can stay #1 for a few more years and then Matty Ice will 3peat in the early 2020s.

>>77325406
Tom Cable is garbage. I also disagree that Percy Harvin was a waste. Without him, they might not keep their razor-thin margin at the Saints' divisional game in 2013-2014.

>>77325390
>>77325399
>>77325412

>vick was the original meme QB

try Randall Cunningham

anyways, Vick was the type of player to have one or two big games a year and then be ineffective or injured the rest of the year.

Did you know Newton already has more rushing touchdowns than Vick?

Did you know Vick's career high in passing touchdowns is 21?

He SUCKED as a passer outside of 2010 which he again got hurt in.

Vick has never had a season close to Newton's 2015 and his career passer rating is 80.4 and all his other stats back up how overrated he was.

>>77325440
Sure, they made it to the playoffs. Wilson and Rodgers have had to play out of their minds to do so, however.

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>>77324811

important reminder

>>77325463
Except Vick wasn't a meme you fuckin elephant.

>>77325463

except vick is actually likable, unlike scam newshit and kolin capernigger

>>77325463
Did you know Newton has thrown more game ending interceptions than Vick did his entire career?

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>you now remember when mobile Quarterbacks were honest and hardworking white people

Fran come back

>>77325171
Luke joeckel and picnic are new and iced played terrible at rg last year even though all of college he was a rt and were moving him back this season and can't has a years worth of experience and he has the perfect body for a Lt and he is very athletic and is being coached by Tom Cable. Joeckel was the 2014 second overall pick and is pretty good and pocic is a 2nd round center from this draft which as a whole is miles better than all the undrafted free agents , rookies and position swaps last year

>>77325480
okay but that doesnt make him good

>>77325471
well whatever he was it wasnt as good as people remember him to be

>>77325511
What's the lineup supposed to be?

Is it Fant, Glowinski Britt, Jockel, Ifedi now?

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>>77325447
>patriots beat both NFCW teams they faced
>dude they're frauds NFC is elite LMAO

What you seem to conviently leave out is the seahawks coasting to the owl in 05 losing to the Steelers, the Cardinals lost to the Steelers. BOTH AFC POWERHOUSES HAVE OWNED YOU RETARD. You beat the broncos, wow fucking wee.

>>77325467
Again, both those teams spent elsewhere and the results show. Wilson will typically win if the Offense can score just 24 points. Rodgers will get into shootouts more often because the FO invested in the Oline, so Rodgers will typically have the best pass blocking in football to work with and pick defenses apart. Again both teams invest elsewhere, established clear identities, and it has paid off huge for them

>>77325535
You know the Broncos beat the Pats that year, right?

With the first pick of the 2018 NFL draft the New York Jets select...

>>77325177
>>77325447
Nfc *

>>77324822
>no Packers
What universe do you live in?

>>77325554
Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville.

>>77325549
The broncos beat a severely injured patriots team, the seahawks memed on a broncos team missing their defense and played the biggest choker in the playoffs.

The seahawks got gifted wins by the packers, what are you even trying to argue? You realize the MUH JOURNEY > RESULT argument means shit if you LOSE 4/5 times.

>>77325571
macc doesnt draft black qbs

>>77325300
Funny how Seahawks' secondary got completely injured playing against Rodgers but Brady still had to get saved by his defense

Falcons game was a game of momentum. Packers lots out on easy points so many times it killed their morale. They played hard to the end though and the Falcons D didn't have enough gas for another 4 quarters

>>77325437
Facts, logic, and reason backed by stats fly right over retards im not surprised by your lack of an argument with the shittiest examples possible, your fucking stupid the nfc west has had one of the most diverse and best in the nfl since the millennia started and has had plenty of owl appearances is some how easy even since 2010 the nfc w has been to 3 owls while the patriots keep getting free wins off all the garbage teams in their division

>>77325607
>Brady still had to get saved by his defense
>10 point comeback
>broke his own record his next owl

Meanwhile Rodgers scored 15 points on 4 turnovers in seahawks territory.

>>77325418
>Rodgers can't convert ever
>blame the coach

>>77325391
>one QB contributes more than twice as many passing yards and scores multiple times as many points as the other despite being handed fewer turnovers by their defense
b-but it was special teams

>>77325300

yeah I'd say this is about all the evidence you need. Brady succeeds where fagders falls short

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>>77324811

The Patriots beat all those teams, contributing to their losing records.

The Rams lose to all those teams, contributing to their winning records.

Honestly, over a time span that long, the average of pretty much anything is going to be .500 - that particular team's W/L record is going to decide that stat. It's sad that person is taken seriously after citing that stat. As far as Earl Thomas, as we know, the NFC West had an historically bad record last season and he's just a moron.

For example, last season was the first time the Bills had a losing record going into their 1st game against New England since 2010.

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>>77325607

>tfw people think the falcons will recover from that shitstorm

bury them consider it mercy

it's the buccs time now

>>77325627
That Seahawks defense was even more injured in that fourth quarter against Brady. Once Avril went out, that was it.

Another thing to note in that Packers game, Rodgers did not have the ball in his hands at the end of the game. They kept running it and going three and out until the Seahawks made their comeback.

>>77325532
Pocic over glowinski but that's pretty close I think and ifedi was like the 21st pick at rt but due to the state of the line we had him at rg and he didn't know how to play it but he should be good there

>>77324875

I've already started writing up some posts blaming your life on injuries so you'll be ready for the season. What you're number so I can fax them to you?

>>77325619
>garbage teams in their division
>meanwhile go to 7 superbowls

Do I have to dig up the post explaining that your kind is retarded? the patriots out of division record is almost identical to their division record.

>>77325627
4 turnovers in seahawks territory + their own drives, Sherman picked him off. Packers lost the game themselves.

>>77325635
It takes more than one player to lose that game. The entire system fell apart.

>>77325549

Was gaming with a dude from Denver during the AFCCG after 2013 season. Day after I tried to congratulate him on the win and he just stopped me and apologized. Said he'd never been ashamed to be a sports fan but he was then. Ref ball simply didn't allow NE to compete.

If that's what it's like for teams coming to Foxboro you have my sympathy.

>>77325584
I'm sorry that the 2012 and 2014 owls came down to one play each and in this universe that benefits your garbage argument in the end the luck, bad calls and close losses somehow makes 3 straight owl appearences by those teams look weak and outmatched through your autistic POV

>>77325703
The Welker hit on Talib was probably dirty too. That sure is a strange sentence to say.

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>>77325660
>That Seahawks defense was even more injured

IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS!

IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS!

IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS!

IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS!

IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS!

IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS!

>>77325660
>That Seahawks defense was even more injured in that fourth quarter against Brady

Their starters played, Lane was the only significant injury. But keep ignoring the fact Rodgers got 15 points on 4 turnovers.

>>77325737
Lane and Avril went out.

>>77325727

Didn't Belichick say it was the cheapest play he'd ever seen or something?

I literally shut the game off after the Pats 1st series. 3rd Down pass to Julian who was just raped before the ball got there, no call. I knew they'd be given no chance to compete that day.

>>77325668
And what does that have to do with them being fed wins by a weak division and the nfc w has been to 7 super bowls since 2000 as well but spread around by all of them so it's hard to stay on top of it

>>77325744
wow dude someone on an NFL team got injured?

I guess those losses are wins now

>>77325718
Ahahahahahah

>w-we had owl appearances we da best even though we lost both superbowls to you!! cheaters!! our history matters your history that contradicts my retarded argument d-doesnt!!

I could go back as far as the Pats/packers owl or that late 90s season the AFCE had 4 winning teams.

Whatever helps you sleep kid, btw in 2001 the patriots also had Manning in the division :^)

>>77325763
Yeah, said he had no doubt the league would pass the appropriate punishment. I'm not sure it matters though. It would have been a very rough Owl for either team.

>>77325619
>>77325668

Someone post this yesterday - AFC East has the best record in the NFL since 2000. 14 more wins than the next closest division, the AFC North and the Pats have a BETTER record against teams outside the AFC East.

Literally everything people try to say to hate on Brady and the Pats, the opposite is always true.

>>77324822
>chief doing that poorly
Not a chiefs fan, but i really doubt they'll go only 10 wins.

>>77325768
>fed wins by a weak division

See >>77325797 and stop saying this it makes you look like an ignorant child.

>>77325737
>their starters played
Yea, with torn elbow ligaments, a bone bruise, and recently dislocated shoulder. It's the Superbowl, no shit they played. Literally their 3 most important players would have been on the sideline if it was regular season

>>77325768
Because your argument implies the patriots were never as good as their record implied. Which is simply retarded because they've been winning for almost two decades. You can't claim the NFCW has had multiple owl teams but ignore the years the AFCE had competition. Jets went to two straight AFCCGs too.

The multi-owl rams and seahawks lost to the Patriots, your argument is 100% invalid.

>>77325048
>no double m

>>77325786
You're fucking stupid and exactly 2001 the last time the division was strong as a whole. What is even you're argument that teams that got luckier at the end of a close owl are a thousand times better than the team they scraped by you just lack any logic or reason the pats have had a weak division that feeds them wins and free playoff berths for over fifteen years now I'm sorry if it's true but your denial is actually funny

>>77325834
They played with the same injuries in the NFCCG, so what are you knocking at Brady for? Quit being retarded.

>>77325797
Pull the patriots out of those stats m8

>>77325835
Off of 10-6 seasons with Mark Sanchez just showing just how easy the conference has been to actually good teams

>>77325871
put them in any other division and it becomes the winningest division

>>77324875
>O-line can't possibly be as bad as last year

That's what Seahawks fans were saying last year.

>>77325835
Both were very close games very similar to 07 and 11 dickhead and both those teams still got rings

>>77325851
You're one desperate faggot, how long did each of these teams owl runs last?

The 49ers were good for 3 years, the rams for good for 4 years, the Cardinals had one good year and a meme run they got BTFO in. The seahawks competition existed for 2 fucking years, lost one and won one with the 9ers.

Meanwhile the AFCE has had the best defensive statistics since 1995, have given competition in 3/5 owl wins and recently been in the playoffs, but none of it ever mattered because the patriots beat teams better than them. Even if they finished 3-3 in the division their playoff seedings would barely change. Fuckoff you absolute tard.

>>77325898
I'm sorry that's just so stupid the argument I have made is that the bills, jets, and dolphins are garbage than you keep the pats in the stats there is no fucking logic or argument in your fake manipulated stats I'm sorry but your stupid af

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Why dosent the Bay Area media stop shilling for Kaepernick?

He's not on the fucking team anymore, stop talking about him

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>>77325952
>fake manipulated stats

Facts proving you're an idiot are pure coincidence and fake.

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christ seachicken fans do nothing but bitch and moan

in 2010 the jets went 11-5 and lost the division by three games, but would have won the nfc west by four games

in 2015 they missed the playoffs despite a 10-6 record, seattle made the playoffs with a 10-6 record that year

Imagine a division where you have to go 12-4 minimum to feel like you have a chance of winning it every year?

I hate the pats as a jets fan but you can't deny their success. Their 5 lombardis are there whether you like it or not

>>77325942
They went 3-3 in the division last year no, 2014, 2011,2007 like pointing out the shittiest most obscure stats to try and defend the pats when I'm shutting on the bills, jets, and dolphins and I don't care if sometimes they had a decent defense it doesn't matter if the barely ever make the playoffs or put up a fight. And really, pulling shitty obscure stats out of your ass like that come on you can cherrypick every division if you want it doesn't change anything

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>>77325952

>Most wins this century: AFC East

>Most Superbowl wins this century: AFC East

Conclusion: The AFC East is by far is strongest division of the 21st Century

>NFCW is good meme

NFCW was an elite division for like 2 years. It rotated good teams and and shit teams for 30 years, this doesn't make it a competitive division. A fucking 7-9 seahawks team won the NFCW when the jets made the AFCCG in 2010.

>>77325980
That was the most subjective argument with no stats and it's somehow fact now, I swear people get stupider every fucking year

The snow glows white on the mountain tonight
Not a footprint to be seen
A kingdom of isolation,
And it looks like I'm the queen.

The wind is howling like this swirling storm inside
Couldn't keep it in, heaven knows I tried!

Don't let them in, don't let them see
Be the good girl you always have to be
Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know
Well, now they know!

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door!

I don't care
What they're going to say
Let the storm rage on,
The cold never bothered me anyway!

It's funny how some distance
Makes everything seem small
And the fears that once controlled me
Can't get to me at all!

It's time to see what I can do
To test the limits and break through
No right, no wrong, no rules for me I'm free!

Let it go, let it go
I am one with the wind and sky
Let it go, let it go
You'll never see me cry!

Here I stand
And here I'll stay
Let the storm rage on!

My power flurries through the air into the ground
My soul is spiraling in frozen fractals all around
And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast
I'm never going back,
The past is in the past!

Let it go, let it go
And I'll rise like the break of dawn
Let it go, let it go
That perfect girl is gone!

Here I stand
In the light of day
Let the storm rage on,
The cold never bothered me anyway!

>>77326010
>patriots go 3-3 in the division in 2007
>go 13-3

Would really boggle the mind

>>77326022
>my divisions owl history is relevant, yours isn't

That's all you do. You LOST twice to the AFCE and twice to the AFCN, fucking rope yourself.

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>>77324822
>Vikings
>11-5

the irony is that the seahawks were essentially kicked out of the afc for being so irrelevant for so long

>>77326010
Patriots went 5-1 in the division, their only loss was to the bills without Garoppolo, Gronk, Brady, and 5 others players.

Dolphins were a playoff team who injured 6 quarterbacks and were damn good until Tannehill got injured. Fuckoff back to rebbit seacuck.

>>77325485
>mobile
This guy probably ran a 5+ 40

>>77325993
In 2013 the seahawks went 13-3 the 49ers who had been in the previous owl were 12-4, the cardinals were 10-6, and the rams went 7-9 gtfo the pats would have suffocated in this division since 2010 in any of these teams shoes so here are actual facts name a single time in 15 years the afc e has been like this I mean shit if the hawks got fed easy games in the afc e they would probably be like 3 out of 4 in super bowls over the last 4 years

>>77326100
The snow glows white on the mountain tonight
Not a footprint to be seen
A kingdom of isolation,
And it looks like I'm the queen.

The wind is howling like this swirling storm inside
Couldn't keep it in, heaven knows I tried!

Don't let them in, don't let them see
Be the good girl you always have to be
Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know
Well, now they know!

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door!

I don't care
What they're going to say
Let the storm rage on,
The cold never bothered me anyway!

It's funny how some distance
Makes everything seem small
And the fears that once controlled me
Can't get to me at all!

It's time to see what I can do
To test the limits and break through
No right, no wrong, no rules for me I'm free!

Let it go, let it go
I am one with the wind and sky
Let it go, let it go
You'll never see me cry!

Here I stand
And here I'll stay
Let the storm rage on!

My power flurries through the air into the ground
My soul is spiraling in frozen fractals all around
And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast
I'm never going back,
The past is in the past!

Let it go, let it go
And I'll rise like the break of dawn
Let it go, let it go
That perfect girl is gone!

Here I stand
In the light of day
Let the storm rage on,
The cold never bothered me anyway!

>>77325463
None of those morons saw Vick play outside of highlight compilations. They forget that he was largely ineffective as a quarterback outside of a few games a year and 2004/2010

>>77326070
Seahawks weren't an AFC team, we've been in the NFCW forever

Fuckin pats fans are the least intelligent

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>>77326082
nah Fran had wheels man

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>>77324822
>Vikings 11-5
I love it.

>>77326112
very mediocre bait

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There are fucking retards here who, like Earl Thomas, actually think if all 4 teams in a division go 8-8 that means it was the toughest division.

No, retards.

You measure the strength of NFL Divisions and Conferences by their record against other Divisions and Conferences.

Last season the AFC beat the NFC more in head to head match ups. The AFC then beat the NFC in the Superbowl. Therefore, the AFC was the tougher Conference.

Likewise, the AFC East had a 24-16 record against other divisions. Meaning the AFC East was an above average division, winning more than they lost. Even if one subtracts the Patriots' 9-1 non-division record, the AFC East is still a respectable 15-15. Meaning even if you take away their best team (for some unexplained reason) they are STILL not a weak division.

Conversly, the NFC West went 23-39-2 in 2016. They were one of the weakest divisions in the history of sport. The NFC West's record against other divisions was 12-28. If, like we did with the AFC East, we subtract their winningest team for some unexplained reason, the NFC West went a mighty 5-25 against the rest of the NFL.

But of course we all know how many injuries the Seahawks had so none of this really matters because if they were healthy the NFC West would have gone 64-0.

>>77326079
I was trying to be sarcastic but you helped my point the afc e can only feed the patriots wins which propels them into the playoffs and raises there chances of getting to the owl and in turn winning it don't get me wrong they're a good team but having a shitty division really helps teams consistently stay good that's why they have barely been challenged in 15 years and are constantly deep in the playoffs any sb contender that's routinely gifted home field advantage will often make it to the Super bowl

>>77326126
Once again when earl says the afc e he is not including the patriots obviously, I swear people are thick as fuck

>>77326145
The snow glows white on the mountain tonight
Not a footprint to be seen
A kingdom of isolation,
And it looks like I'm the queen.

The wind is howling like this swirling storm inside
Couldn't keep it in, heaven knows I tried!

Don't let them in, don't let them see
Be the good girl you always have to be
Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know
Well, now they know!

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door!

I don't care
What they're going to say
Let the storm rage on,
The cold never bothered me anyway!

It's funny how some distance
Makes everything seem small
And the fears that once controlled me
Can't get to me at all!

It's time to see what I can do
To test the limits and break through
No right, no wrong, no rules for me I'm free!

Let it go, let it go
I am one with the wind and sky
Let it go, let it go
You'll never see me cry!

Here I stand
And here I'll stay
Let the storm rage on!

My power flurries through the air into the ground
My soul is spiraling in frozen fractals all around
And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast
I'm never going back,
The past is in the past!

Let it go, let it go
And I'll rise like the break of dawn
Let it go, let it go
That perfect girl is gone!

Here I stand
In the light of day
Let the storm rage on,
The cold never bothered me anyway!

>>77326126
If you're gonna do that compare afc playoff teams to nfc playoff teams that way you don't get all the garbage teams in your little stat then tell me what it is

>>77326126
the nfcw played real teams u fucking moran

Who usually plays in the Hall of Fame game? Is it the absolute lowest on the depth chart, or is it just second and third stringers? I want to do some research before the game on the players who are likely to play a lot of snaps. Knowing who the fuck is on the field makes it more fun.

>>77326156
Whoa Gramps, the Pats actually played good teams and they just so happened to have dominated them. You just can't accept that this team is a tier above the average elite team.

>>77326158
>real teams
Define "real teams," Boomer.

>>77326145
The AFCE without the patriots still has a better record than the NFCW without the seahawks

Why am I replying?

>>77326145
>the division only had one playoff team if you ignore the best team in the division
>NFCW had one playoff team period
MAKES ME THINK REALLY

>>77326126
And 2016 was one of the nfc w weakest years I'm not the guy that posted that shit but 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 you neglected to disclose any of those years where the nfc w was actually good but no that would hurt your argument and you wouldn't want to feel dumb

>>77326166
Buccaneers
Packers
Falcons

...

>>77326177
Not an argument.

>>77325854
They got the injuries in the NFCCG you imbecile

>>77326178
And lost to all 3, and all 3 got exposed at one point during the season. Nice "real" teams, Boomer.

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How many AFCE teams do you see on this?
How many NFCW?

>>77326183
>muh injuries
Your entire life is talking about black men getting hurt as if that's your fetish. Sad!

>>77326186
5
5

>>77326186
Notice how more AFC teams have actual WINS than the NFC over that span, Boomer. But keep trying, it's way past your bed time and someone this old shouldn't be up.

>>77326156
My personal take on the Patriots is an extremely consistent sb contender that only makes the owl when there is no other sb true contender In the afc and typically wins or loses their owls with very close scores

>>77326170
Only looks at one year where 2 coaches lost there jobs and is considered a record bad year for nfc w

>>77326203
They make the owl almost regularly, Boomer. What's your point?

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>>77326168
>>77326145

It's worse! The AFC East without the Patriots had a better record than the NFC West WITH the 10-5-1 Seahawks!

>>77326215
Not an argument.

>>77326183
>they got injuries in the game

And healed for 2 weeks, having a hurt arm didn't seem to bother Sherman all year, picking off Rodgers or the Superbowl.

>>77326177
>>77326186
2001 AFCE > NFCW
2005 AFCN > NFCW
2008 AFCN > NFCW
2012 AFCN > NFCW
2013 AFCW < NFCW
2014 AFCE > NFCW

"W-we WUZ real division champs!"

>>77326225
>this triggers the Cucks Boomers

>>77326186
All this shows is that the nfc is constantly changing and that 3 quarters of the afc is trash

>>77326183
>muh injuries
Your entire life is talking about black men getting hurt as if you jack off to that every day while getting blown the fuck out every time you say this. Sad!

>>77326240
The NFShit top to bottom is trash. What's your point, Boomer? The NFShit Worst is just the bottom of the barrel.

>>77326225
Your a fucking moron the seahawks and cardinals were great

>>77326252
Only one of those teams were great and it certainly wasn't the Xecucks, Boomer. Are we talking about the 2015 season? Your team didn't even score a TD that playoffs, now go to bed, Old Man.

>>77326145
>>77326168
>>77326225
Seacucks on suicide watch

>>77326262
They'll all go crying to r/Seahawks the next day and post screencaps of our posts just like they did 3 years ago, LMAO

Will the Seahawks unveil their "play in the NFC west" banner this year?

>>77326251
In a game that revolves around luck, bad calls, and extremely close games the teams that scraped by for wins are apparently infinitely better than those that barely lost with your logic

LMAO THEY ACTUALLY LEFT, THEY ACTUALLY LEFT, WE FUCKING DID IT BOYS

>>77326280
Not an argument.
>>77326278
They probably do it every game.

>>77326251
3 quarters of afc east have been trash for like forty years so what's your point

>>77326240
The NFC is average teams pretending to have parity
The AFC is real contenders shitting on good teams from both conferences.

NFC still is and will be for awhile a meme conference, all talk no action.

>>77326298
Shulas dolphins to 90s bills to bellichick pats

Apply yourself

>>77326298
>AFC East
3 Contending Teams (Patriots, Dolphins, Bills), 1 of those above
(Patriots) contention level
>AFC North
2 Contending Teams (Steelers, Bengals)
>AFC South
2 Contending Teams (Jaguars, Titans)
>AFC West
3 Contending Teams (Raiders, Chiefs, Chargers)
>NFC East
0 Contending Teams
>NFC North
2 Contending Teams (Packers, Lions)
>NFC South
2 Contending Teams (Falcons, Buccaneers)
>NFC West
0 Contending Teams

Now prove me wrong, Old Man. I'm waiting.

>>77325324
I used to have the slightest respect for you, and your defeatist attitude about the jests, all gone now.

>>77326314
Reminder of the 49ers and Cowboys making the afc look like shit for like 12 years

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>>77326203

2016: Steelers 11-5 / Won 9 straight games heading into AFCCG = True Contender

2014: Denver 12-4 / Made owl in 2013 and 2015 (Won owl) = True Contender beaten by Colts team that averaged 29 ppg in midst of 13-3 run

2011: Baltimore 12-4 / Made owl in 2012 (Won owl) / Won 7 of 8 heading into AFCCG = True Contender

2007: Indy 13-3 / Defending owl Champs / Lost to SD team that won 8 in a row heading into AFCCG = True Contender beaten by SD team that won 8 straight heading into AFCCG

2004: 15-1 Steelers = True Contender

2003: 12-4 Colts which averaged 40 points in 2 playoff games heading into AFCCG = True Contender

2001: 13-3 Steelers which out gained their opponents by 2,000 yards = True Contender


As always, whatever they say about the Patriots, the exact opposite is true.

>>77326271
You couldn't debate us r/seahawks, you hide on sp like a loser

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When did you realize that Dak really is special, and the Cowboys have the Devil's own luck for picking him?

>>77326319
Afc east has been dominated by the pats for lime 20 years and only one team has made it the owl since like the early 90s while the nfc w has had all of them reach and win the owl except the cardinals

>>77325463
So fucking dumb. As a falcons fan I've said it for years that Ryan made Roddy decent. He had shit recievers with the falcons except for Crumpler, who put up good stats. It's been said that he "threw the ball to hard" for his receivers, that just shows how big of bitches they were. Theres footage somewhere in the late 2000s of roddy dropping a TD pass with no defender within 15 yards of him.

>>77326362
Parity does not = strength

Pats should be punished for controlling their division for so long?

>>77326341
That's the funny part

NFCfags shit on the AFC but by their own logic are saying the cowboys and 9ers benefited from weak divisions and a weak conference.

>>77326353
>redditors in my /nfl/

>211 posts
>42 individual posters
Is this the worst general?

>>77326411
5 posts per person

What's the problem it's the fucking off-season

>>77326347
Peyton notoriously choked in the playoffs for years they never had a chance especially on the road even a weren't shit without Ray Lewis, Steelers were trash last year, no team has made it back the owl after losing it in years so the Broncos weren't gonna make it the rest I can't defend of the top of my head
And I like how that's what triggered you even tho I said they are an extremely consistent sb contender just shows you everybody just wants to argue

>>77326426
>they never had a chance especially on the road even a weren't shit without Ray Lewis

Wat

>>77326386
No but it shows that not once in 20 years 3 teams together couldnt ever reach the owl and only like twice got close

>>77326447
Yes because the pats and steelers have been so good for so long it's hard to break through

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I still haven't seen any legitimate arguments to the AFCE being a tougher division since alignment than the NFCW. You've just spouted memes and are now declaring victory for no reason.

FYI the Patriots are more reddit team than any other team in the NFL. Get your non-arguments about your non-competitive division out of here. That shit may fly elsewhere but not on /sp/.

>>77326444
Colts didnt have a chance on the road and i thought ray lewis got injured in the playoffs that year they were really shitty after he left and whenever he was injured

Just want to make a PB&J with a tall glass of milk so I can fall asleep but my annoying af aunt had to sleep in the living room

>>77326467
I still haven't seen any legitimate arguments to the NFCW being a tougher division since alignment than the AFCE

>MUH SUPERBOWL APPEARANCES BETWEEN DECADES
:^) and just who won those owls

btw, the patriots have been shitting on the AFCN the actual toughest division in the NFL since the early 2000s, current toughest division is the AFCW and the patriots only kryptonite is the broncos defense. But they beat them last year so.. what are you left with?

The patriots and dolphins will make the playoffs, jets and 9ers will compete for worst record, bills >>>> rams

Now shoo back to r/seahawks

>>77326451
Yes and what I'm saying is there are plenty of teams of that level in the nfc in this era but they are just less consistent and will get outshined by an other if they are not da bes and I think both conferences at some points in time put weak teams in the owl due to whatever chain of events ' 2011 giant's ' but that shit happens teams get injuredd and teams get hot and in this millennia the two winningest teams are the patriots and the steelers but there have been decades in the nfc like this as well so it's nothing new this sport is random as fuck

>>77326467
Bills, dolphins, jets all lined up at right about at the low end tho

>>77325412
>>77325390
>>77325463

Let's not forget the unfortunate Kordell Stewart. Bill Cowher actually went into 6 NFL seasons deciding "Yup, this is my starting QB." (77 TDs - 84 INTs Career 56.8 QB Rating)

Was just watching the first game ever at Gillette from 2002. Rematch against the Steelers who lost the AFCCG the year before. The first two drives Stewart threw INTs. And he ended the AFCCG by throwing INTs on the last 2 drives. So he threw INTs to the Patriots on 4 straight possessions. Pro Bowler, Kordell Stewart.


>>77326426
>Peyton notoriously choked in the playoffs for years

But in 2003 and 2004, his Colts went 3-0 and averaged 43 ppg against teams not the NE Patriots.

> even a weren't shit without Ray Lewis

I don't know what this means. Lewis played when Brady beat them in 2011.

>Steelers were trash last year

Trash team that won 9 straight games all against teams from the superior AFC? Nope.

>no team has made it back the owl after losing it in years so the Broncos weren't gonna make it

Yeah, no. The team went 50-14 over 4 years with Manning. Just stop. Please?

>>77326515
Peyton choked plenty of times in the playoffs and the chargers beat the shit out of a weak schedule at the time, Steelers were trash last year and had injuries, and a team hasn't returned to the owl after losing it since the owls

>>77326515
Wasnt Stewart a stud in college?

>>77326533
Owls tf i meant to say bills

Super Bowl wins in the last 12 years
>AFCN: 3
>NFCE: 2
>AFCE: 2
>AFCS: 1
>AFCW: 1
>NFCW: 1
>NFCS: 1
>NFCN: 1

>>77326515
Patriots defense knew their playcalls. Slash wasn't smart enough to catch on and change things up.

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>>77326467
>I still haven't seen any legitimate arguments to the AFCE being a tougher division since alignment than the NFCW.

Using GOOGLE I found this from FO. It's from 2014, so I added the applicable results since then.

I'm going to reply to this post with division records since realignment in 2002. So hopefully these two things will shut you up forever.

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>>77326562
>>77326467

This chart is omitting last season, in which the AFC East had 10 more wins than the AFC North, giving them a 14 game lead in the battle for GOAT Division since realignment.

>>77326562
Photoshopped, give real evidence

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>>77326540
>tfw eli has more rings than the AFCS, AFCW, NFCW, NFCS, and the NFCN in this time period

feels good

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>>77326562

>>77326562
Now show last year moron because the nfce did better, show us all those other years.

The AFCE is the worst division in the AFC without the patriots riding easy wins.

>>77326587
nfcw did better****

>>77326562
>>77326580
Not an argument, seahawks played in a better division

>>77326599
>>77326592
>>77326599

I'm sorry but I demand higher quality trolls than this. I'll run with it for awhile because I love posting about the Pats dominance but this is just sad.

2017 projections

AFCE
1) Patriots 12-4 ( lose to Steelers, raiders)
2) Dolphins 7-9
3) Bills 5-11
4) Jets 1-15

NFCW
1) Seahawks 11-5
2) Cardinals 10-6
3) 49ers 8-8
4) Rams 4-12

>>77326515
Steelers beat the patriots in the playoffs, the patriots only got by when the Steelers we're knocked off by other teams in the 2000s. The colts also beat the patriots plenty of times.

>>77326580
umm the AFC east had 38 wins in 2008 not 28

too lazy to check if there are other errors

>>77324628
>i've never been on /sp/ before
>guess i'll make a general

This is why you fail.

>kapernigger to join the third most nig team in the league

shocking

maybe another harbaugh will convince him to shut his tiny white lips

NFC-----------------------AFC

1) Cowboys < Raiders
2) Packers > Steelers
3) Falcons > Patriots
4) Cardinals > Jaguars
5) Lions < Chiefs
6) Seahawks < Dolphins

>>77326687

where is he joining? hope he doesn't join us. we are creating a new team and letting that attention whore racebaiter will destroy our momentum.

>>77326888
>Falcons > Patriots
literally the most recent football game played proves that to be wrong

>>77326888
Literally only got two right.

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I'm more excited to watch Foster than Thomas.

>>77325469
fucking manlets lol

daily reminder that if you think (((advanced stats))) have any place in football you're a fucking retard who doesn't understand math or sports

>>77326411
Yes

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4nette

>>77328440
but they were weak in 2013, he's not wrong

>>77328440

I remember watching the John Ross vs. Jalen Myrick simulcam 40 yard and Myrick fucking rapes John Ross off the jump so hard I'm really shocked he didn't finish under a 4.2

Oh you guys are going to be so sorry you slept on the Cowboys this season. Ho Boy

>>77328579
baltipoor keeps getting
b l o w n t h e f u c k o u t

>>77328596
*breaks single season arrest record be week 5*

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>>77328614
>Bengalsbros pop champagne

>the city of oldgay

>>77328600
>>77328579
No one will cry over this, he was awful. Most likely knew he wasn't going to win the starting job.

Flacco, tho. Hope he gets better in time.

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>>77326613
>49ers 8-8
That is... pretty fucking optimistic my guy. Might wanna lower your expectations.
>>77328318
I'm fucking hyped, I already picked up a Foster jersey, first one I've bought in years. Kid's gonna be a stud.

>Urschel retires to pursue Math PhD at MIT
How can one man be so PEAK Homo Sapiens?

>>77326411
>offseason

Is there a problem here?

>>77329055
It'll be nice to give Bowman some real help so he's not forced to make every tackle himself and get injured again.

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WHY ARE THREADS SO SHIT THIS WEEK

>>77328630
>Bengalsbros

Sounds like a web series where dudes in Cincinnati pick up women and fuck them.

Would watch.

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One week.

>>77328936
he was the projected starter at center and it sucks losing depth. o-line is looking very thin right now and they face a lot of teams with great d-lines next season. with no running game to support him, flacco is gonna have throw a lot of short passes again...

>>77324822
>colts 10-6
>dolphins 11-5

BANG BANG BANG BANG
Someone add it to the skeeup collection

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>Jagschad gonna lay the fucking pipe on a pornstar

Why doesn't your fanbase have more chads?

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>>77326636

My god, you're right. It's obvious someone is trying to suppress this information to keep the AFC East's dominance from the general public. How far does this go down the rabbit hole, I wonder?

>>77329505
google abby lee pornstar and look at the 6th pic
shes nothing special

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>>77329631

not bad m8

>>77329675
you can definitely find a random roastie that looks just as good

>>77325480
because likeability matters.

STFU faggot

>>77325515
Neither does reading his stats off. Vick was amazing and its obvious you never saw him play.

let's play a game of over/under

OVER/UNDER:
>ten years til the next brown's playoff appearance
>five years til philip rivers' retirement
>three years til zeke misses an entire season for being a shithead off the field
>two years til brady retires

>>77329833
under
under
over
push

>>77329833
under
under
under
under

>>77325413
>rodgers throwing for more yards than brees

>>77329833
Under
Under
Under
Under

>>77329675
>random hispanic girl who just wants to get married and have eight kids

Not really my thing but you go right ahead.

>>77329833
Under
Under
Over
Over

>>77324822
Chargers fan here, absent a complete tomfuckery of injuries again, Chargers will win 10 games. Meaning Raiders will likely only win 12 games at most. Their defense is still abysmal but improving. I think the Chiefs Raiders and Broncos will all take a step back from last year's records and the Chargers will make a significant jump in wins (9 of their 11 losses was by 7 or less points). They have an improved oline, one of the best WR corps in the league when healthy (including 2 great TEs), a probowl running back and a scary front 7 and two probowl CBs. Chargers make the playoffs. Cap it.

t. Chargers homer

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lmao

>>77329833
>ten years til the next brown's playoff appearance
Under
>five years til philip rivers' retirement
Over
>three years til zeke misses an entire season for being a shithead off the field
Over
>two years til brady retires
Over

1. CAM NEWTON
2. MATT RYAN
3. CARSON PALMER
4. DEREK CARR
5. Flacco
6. Cutler
7. Big ben
8. Cousins
9. Brees
10. Eli
11. Smeth
12. Rodgers
13. Siemian
14. Dalton
15. Tebow
16. Goff
17. Rivers
18. Manning
19. Kosar

>>77330735
its fucking real hahaha

>>77325969

People keep writing about Kaepernick because people keep clicking on stories about him.

t. work in sports media (Trust me, I think Kaep's a dumbass and Bob Costas is a God damn commie, but I wrote a blurb on Costas defending him and got more page views out of that than anything I actually enjoyed writing)

>Trubisky's 40 yard pass to Gentry

oh fuck lads I am ready

>>77330752
Is this a list of reverse order of number of kids by a QB?

>>77330752
>10. Eli
>18. Manning

>>77330765
they're redshirting him this year because they don't want to David Carr/Blaine Gabbert a potential franchise QB. Throw the season away, get a great oline in the draft and build around that.

>>77330774
>>77330783
You'll figgure it out

>>77330752
Ah nevermind, Greatest QBs to wear the number?
T brady not 12? Idiot

>>77330812
Nope

>>77330794
I'm aware senpai. Interior oline is looking great it's just the tackles we need to upgrade but I think they'll either draft a wr or some defense with the 1st pick

>>77330836
biggest memes?

>>77330752
QB numbers

>>77330937
Yes