ITT: elite players who played for non-elite teams.

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>>77298221

Fiorentina was elite you fucking 12 yr old.

Le God

DiCanio
Martin Laursen
Jon Parkin

maradroga

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>>77298221

>>77298356
Cost his chance to play for England more

>>77298280
This

Any great player playing un the E"P"L

>>77298221

>I went to see Doctor Avanzi [an Orthopaedic specialist] and told him to cut off my legs. He looked at me and told me I was crazy. I couldn’t bear it any longer. I can’t put into words just how bad the pain was. I looked at Oscar Pistorius and said: ‘That’s my solution'.

>>77300365
Not an elite player. Had his moments but his mentality is not right

Xhakiri

>>77300387
overrated as fuck

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>>77298221

>>77300396

>University of South Florida Custodians
>not elite

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>>77300403
how this nigga change from black to white?

>>77300439

bleach

>>77300147
Literally ruled France with an iron fist for almost a decade

Riquelme

>>77298456
wasnt newcastle "elite" in the 90s?

>>77300147
What kind of surname is 'Pernambucano' anyways?

>>77298280
>got relegated in the 90s
>elite
sure thing

>>77300628
It's not a surname, just saying where he's from, state of Pernambuco.
There was also Juninho Paulista at the time.

I liked that, too bad these nicknames aren't catching on anymore.

>>77300619
>>77298280
look up the word 'elite' you retards

>>77300343
zing

>>77300628
This >>77300669, since we had so many players called Juninho at the time they would say the players first name on the diminutive and add his native state as a nickname. This is how Ronaldo became "Ronaldinho" for most of his carreer (there was already a Ronaldo in Brazil NT), and why Ronaldinho started to get called "Ronaldinho Gaúcho" (to not be confused with the other Ronaldinho, Gaúcho is how we call people from the Rio Grande do Sul, his native state).

>>77300158
>>77298280

Uhm, no Fiorentina is most definitely not an elite team. I lived in Italy from 1980 to 2004. Fiorentina has always had some good players - I particularly remember the Batistuta-Rui Costa tandem, and before that obviously Roberto Baggio and Dunga were strong players, and more recently they have had some talents like Jovetic, Luca Toni, Adrien Mutu, and lately Pepito Rossi, Cuadrado, and Bernardeschi.

That said, in the 24+ years that I was there, they didn't win a single scudetto and didn't win a single european or uefa cup. They won two coppe italia in 96 and 01, and also won a supercoppa italiana in 96. But that does not qualify as an elite team, they are the definition of a competitive middle of the pack team.

In Italy, the elite teams are Juventus (the national juggernaut), Milan (strong domestic side with a european pedigree), and Inter (strong domestic team and biggest rival of Juventus). In more recent times, Roma and Napoli have also emerged as highly competitive teams, although both of them have won little. These are the 5 elite teams of Italy. If you really want to stretch the definition, you might also add Lazio, but it's debatable.

Any Serie A team not called Juve, Milan, Inter, Roma, Napoli, and Lazio is not elite, and hasn't been elite for the past 30 years.

>>77300703
I like this answer.

>>77300693
18 Premier League titles, 5 European Cups, and one of the most valuable and marketable brands in football make Liverpool more than elite.

>>77300423

After being trapped playing for the Ohio DOC he's currently finally a free agent.

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Pic related, but he'll soon be in an elite team.

>>77300718
>tfw that 90s Fiorentina would probably dominate Serie A nowadays
Oh how low Serie A has fallen.

>>77300718
Lazio >>>>>>> Roma 2bh
Parma was also a top team in the 90s

>>77300895
>reminder that parma is kill

>>77300880
I seriously doubt it, would have probably come 4th last year, but no way could they beat Champions League finalist Juventus.

Better than last year's Milan and Inter though. Prime Bati-Gol was something to behold. The only one I can remember that was more devastating was the first Ronaldo at Inter.

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>>77298221
>look up pics of him at Al-Arabi
>every fucking time, I notice all the empty seats
why did he end his career there?

>>77298221
The Greaseman

>>77300912
Rui Costa-Bati would destroy the pathetic defenses of most of the Serie A teams nowadays.

>>77300895
I just don't see how Lazio can be considered greater than Roma. I think that's just Lazio propaganda. Roma consistently ends up ahead of Lazio and has stronger economic power with Pallotta.

For sure, Pallotta >>>> Lotito.

>Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpoo, 90s Fiorentina are not eliteeee!!! xD xD XDDDDDD

so what is it then?only teams that have won the champions league in the past 3 seasons are elite

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>52 replies
>Not Maradona@Napoli
this thread is a total failure

>>77300911
They're on Serie C or something now?

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>>77298221

wew lad, this kit is legit 10/10. i really regret that everyone has these skin tight spandex suits these days.

>>77300947
To be fair, he also played for Barcelona.

And arguably, Maradona made Napoli as close to elite as it has ever been. He's still considered a God there (rightfully so, as he's the GOAT).

Still, your suggestion is more than valid.

>>77300941
t. Gerrard

>>77300933
>I just don't see how Lazio can be considered greater than Roma.
They won trophies in Europe that's how.

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This crazy attacker.
Won the Scudetto with Verona, but not really an elite team.

>>77300941
Fiorentina frequently ended up in midtable through the 90s. They might be elite by today's standards but definitely not for 90s standards.

>>77300941
Anybody who says Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool is not elite is wrong.

Anybody who says 90's Fiorentina is elite is also wrong. Compare trophies won in the past 30 years and balance sheets for proof.

>>77300971
the thing is that he made it elite, he was the elite part in there, not the team
Napoli was a shitty team before Diego

>>77300947
Because that Napoli side improved and won trophies, thus becoming elite. Thinking Napoli was "Maradona + 10 players" for the entire time he was there is just ignorant.

>>77300993
That's the standard answer Laziali say. But the European trophies they won were a Coppa Uefa (now a Europa League) and a UEFA Super Cup. Roma consistently plays in the Champion's League and even played in a (lost) final.

Roma has also been relegated to serie B 1 time.

Lazio has been relegated to serie B a total of 11 times, which is probably unheard of among other elite teams.

>>77301019
No argument here. He changed that team and made it the best team in Italy in 86-87.

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>>77300947
>>77301023
Yep.

>Romelu Lukaku played for Chang Beer

>>77300947
Even Hellas fucking Verona won a scudetto on the 80s.

>>77301067
Only South America sees that kind of inflation

>>77301049
Chelsea spent much of the 20th century languishing in the Second Division, with the likes of Leeds.

It is known.

>>77301049
>European trophies they won were a Coppa Uefa (now a Europa League)

This used to be a proper competition until relatively recently. The Super Cup wasn't a joke, either. UEFA Cup was a serious task and not just seen as a runner's up to CL spots.

CL qualification and expansion alterations changed that.

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>Santos

>>77301023
>>77301067
make a list of italian elite teams

Tim Brown

>>77301119
This. In fact, we just had someone asking at our /brg/ why nobody talks about Santos, kek.

>>77301119
best team in the world in the early 60s. humilliated eusebio's benfica in their own home

>>77301136
7-Palmeiras

>>77301136

Refer to: >>77300718

>>77301182
>no cwc
lmao

>>77300147
Vasco is an elite team, you dungus

>>77300469
try living in fucking glasgow over the winter

>>77301105
I agree, the Super Cup was the best European achievement of Lazio. And I would argue it's still a pretty prestigious cup, and very rarely goes to the winner of the Europa League and not the Champions League, making Lazio's 1-0 win over Manchester United even more impressive.

That said, the 11 relegations are, in my mind, enough to take away the 'elite status' for Lazio.

Although what this anon (>>77301092) says is correct. Chelsea was hardly a contender in the 90s, but anyone who doesn't consider Chelsea elite today would be wrong.

>>77301049
>But the European trophies they won were a Coppa Uefa (now a Europa League) and a UEFA Super Cup
UEFA Cup still had prestige back then
Super Cup is a top tier European trophy, especially when it's the underdog winning it against the CL winners like Lazio did vs United

>Muh relegations
You sound like an Inter fan

>>77300863
pls delet plz

>>77301067
>haven't won anything before or since Maradona played for them

Right, he was just another cog lol

>>77300628
el PernambucANO.

>>77301226
>and very rarely goes to the winner of the Europa League and not the Champions League

2000 gala
2001 liverpool
2004 valencia
2006 sevilla
2008 zenit
2010 and 2012 atletico

not that uncommon

>>77301226
They're still more "elite" than Roma, though I would say they're below Parma who won more in Europe

>>77301239
Before or since they spent 500M lol. Btw Maradona was the record transfer fee at the time.

>>77301259
Fair enough, but it's still the exception rather than the rule.

From 1985, the year Juventus and Everton didn't play, there have been 31 occasions of the European Supercup.

The Champions League Winner won 18 times. (58%). You're right, it's closer than I thought, but it's not a coin flip.

>>77301358
It's as close to a coin flip as you can get considering the difference in quality/money

>>77301377
We're not talking about the Intercontinental Cup. Rich clubs have won the UEFA Cup winners cup/UEFA Cup

>>77301265
What??

Parma is most definitely not elite and it's not even debatable.

They haven't won a single season in Serie A and they went completely bankrupt. Last year they played in Serie C (Lega Pro) and came second.

Two Uefa Cups in the 90's don't make a bankrupt Serie C team elite.

>>77301354
Never elite, just overpriced.

Basically very similar to a 90's Neymar.

>>77301420
Not the quoted. I agree that Denilson wasn't elite, but Neymar sure is.

>>77301473
>falling for that b8

t. newfag

>>77301011
If current Arsenal, ManU and Liverpool are elite so is 90s Fiorentina

>>77301136
Currently or what?
Current Napoli is elite but when Maradona joined they weren't
Current Fiore is not elite but when Bati played there they were

>>77301473
Yeah, he is, I'm fucking with you.

>>77301515
No Fiorentina was never elite. Bring stats to argue elite status.

>>77301515
>>77301537

t. della valle brothers

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Balakov in Sporting and Stuttgart.

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>>77298221
Mavericks were one of the worst teams in American pro sports before Dirk arrived.

>>77301566
They competed for the title several times when Batistuta was there
Current Arsenal, Liverpool, ManU, never competed for the title, or at most they competed once
If you count those three as elite there's no way not to count Fiore too

>>77301537
I believe that elite teams are elite because people still hold high regards even when they are in a bad phase (Milan, for instance). No one really cares about Florence now.

>>77301604
>Fiorentine

Why the fuck did i said Florence?

>>77301604
Nonsense, a team's "eliteness" is based on their performances, not their popularity

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This guy

>>77298221
Henrik Larsson, Ally McCoist, Steven Gerrard, Ichiro, Mike Piazza.

>>77301595
Bull shit on the Batistuta part. Actually, it's all bull shit but I'm only addressing Bati right now.

Bati joined Fiorentina and played there from 1991-2000.

In these years, Fiorentina placed:
1991-92: 12th
92-93: 16th (out of 18)
93-94: Was in Serie B
94-95: 10th
95-96: 4th
96-97: 9th
97-98: 5th
98-99: 3rd
99-00: 7th
00-01: 9th

That is not the record of a domestic elite team. What years did they compete for the title during Batistuta's tenure, with the possible exceptions of '96 and '99?

As mentioned earlier, Fiorentina is a competitive middle of the pack team. Certainly their domestic record with Batistuta wouldn't demonstrate otherwise.

>>77301675
PSG is shit, I agree, but Barcelona is elite m8.

>>77301812
I didn't notice the plural form when OP wrote "teams" tbqhwy

>>77301837
Anyways I was just messing with you. PSG is elite and fuck who says otherwise.

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>>77301723
it's because he's always been crippled by injuries, but when Bati was in shape they were easily one of the best teams in the league

Christian Eriksen

>Edmundo in Fiorentina
>Bebeto, Djalminha and others in La Coruña
>Diego Forlán in Villarreal
>Romário and fat Ronaldo in PSV Eindhoven
>Marcelo Salas in Lazio
>Ivan Zamorano in CF América
>Carlos Tevez in Corinthians and West Ham
>every well-know player in Chelsea, Manchester City, PSG and money laundering leagues like Qatar and China
>Roberto Carlos and Samuel Eto'o in Anzhi Mahachkala or something like that

>>77301929
>Diego Forlán in Villarreal

Riquelme was the better player.

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>>77301929
>Marcelo Salas in Lazio
Yeah, right, that team was totally Salas+10
Fucking hell

>>77301398
>muh relegations
Again you sound like an Inter fan

>>77301515
Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal are traditional english powerhouses

>>77302011
But they are currently not elite, or at least debatable
Who cares about muh history

>>77301595
>They competed for the title several times when Batistuta was there
>Current Arsenal, Liverpool, ManU, never competed for the title
Lolwat?

>>77302032
Did I spell something wrong?

>>77301884
PSG at the time was pure shite.

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>>77301886
>it's because he's always been crippled by injuries
>appears in 30+ matches in almost every season in from 1995 to 2000 when Serie A still only had 34 matches
ok

>>77302032
CURRENT

God you people need to learn to fucking read

>>77301537
historically Giuseppe
which are the italian elite teams?

>>77302074
search the minutes if you can be bothered, how many of those are just 5 minutes appearances?
Fiorentina losing the title in 98/99 for Bati's injury is a fact
Also you are lucky that Lazio pulled the biggest choke ever so that your beloved Milan managed to scrap the title

>>77302027
Man U just won EL
Liverpool is back in CL
Arsenal has been decline but they'll be back in Europe in the future most likely too

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>>77301592

>>77302102
the three CL winners with the stars above the crest

>>77302101
But Liverpool did compete for the title this year
They were only 2 points behind City ffs

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/thread

>>77302129
>Also you are lucky that Lazio pulled the biggest choke ever so that your beloved Milan managed to scrap the title
Hey we made up for that when Ancelotti choked with Juve the following season allowing Lazio to win the scudetto

>>77302131
Winning EL means not being good enough for CL
Liverpool is not in CL yet
Arsenal ain't in the CL either
If these three are elite so was Bati's Fiore

>>77302147
how many behind Chelea?
Pep admitted City where out of the race months before the end of the season
The only tem that competed with Chelsea was Tottenham

>>77302144
By the most stringent definition of elite, this is correct.

>>77302144
exactly what I was thinking

>>77302144
could be simplified:

>the teams with stars above the crest
or
>the CL winners

>>77302174
Like I said before, they're elite for today's standard but not elite by 90s standards

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best offensive lineman in the last decade playing his entire career for the worst team in the last decade

>>77302194
>how many behind Chelea?
Gap is huge but Chelsea were amazing last season

>>77300812
Literally zero premier league titles.

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couple shouts here

>>77300812
>18 Premier League titles
LOL First Division =/= Premier League

Reminder that Arsenal FC have never won the Champions League/European Cup.

They are not an "elite" club and never have been no matter how much their hipster reddit fanbase wishes it were so.

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>>77302283
>>77302303
'LOL' go fuck yourself dumbass, just because the name changed to 'Premier League' doesn't mean they didn't win the leagues.

>>77302392
Yeah but they won the first division not the premier league

>>77300925
bc he wasted most of his career at a shit club

>>77301929
PSV is elite you mong. Europa Cup 1 and UEFA Cup winner

>>77302147
No we didn't you nonce, I'm a fan and top 4 was the goal all along. We dropped out the title race with a shite January after being top for a little bit before midway. That isn't challenging

>>77300949

Promoted to serie B this year

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>>77302636
>Europa Cup 1 and UEFA Cup winner

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Am I doing this right my Yankee friends?

>>77303103
>winning the european cup is not a great achievement

settle down, mickey

>>77300669
>>77300707
thanks for the explanation huebro

>>77303551
thankx for climate change xo

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>171 posts
>no one has posted the god himself

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Good times playing FIFA 99 with Edmundo and Batistuta on Fiorentina.

>>77303898
CHI

>>77303990
I fucking miss going to the stadium and chanting "Edmundo é foda, bateu o carro matou 2 e ainda joga"

>>77298471
Loved watching him play back in the days

>>77301592
Childhood is idolizing Balakov

Patricianhood is realizing Kostadinov was the GOAT Bulgarian

>inb4 Stoichov

>>77303898
hes shite mate west ham is his level

>>77306988
this, it's the same for Di Canio. they are West Ham tier
>>77298380

Paul Kariya

>>77301992
If that team played today, how likely would they be to win a Champions?

>>77302234
It's the other way around, back then top teams used to be a bunch of average hardworking plaayers mixed with some truly great ones, nowadays you can't have big success unless you have 11 world class players like Real and Barca
If current Atletico played in the late 90s they would have at least a CL and a couple league titles more. Simeone is just like Lippi, Capello, Ferguson, he can build a team from scrap and throw a couple great players in the mix
Remember Juve reached 3 consecutive CL finals with Pessotto, Torricelli, Tudor, etc, and only a handful of stars (Zidane, Del Piero, Inzaghi, Deschamps)
United were the same, and even fucking Real Madrid used to be like that
The super stacked teams of today started with Real, Milan, Chelsea in the early-mid 2000s

>>77307093
see >>77307468

Lazio too were your Pancaro, your Negro, your Simone Inzaghi, mixed with your Nesta, your Nedved, your Mihajlovic
Nowadays they'd need a couple stars more to succeed

>>77300863
is this a new wojack?

>>77312570
Holy kek

>>77301592
>played 5 years in our meme league
Nowadays would be sold after 1 or 2 years
I envy our dads sometimes

>>77306472
Iordanov was the true patrician bulgarian GOAT, could play in literally every position save for goalkeeper

>>77307468
So basically every goat had a decent team and only messi and tsunaldo had a GOAT team around them?

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>>77300365
he's not elite
he played for RM

>inb4 nice jacket

>>77306472
The thing is I lived trough those years, I'm not young.
Kostadinov wasn't even near Balakov's ability, even Cherbakov was better but he ruined his life in an accident.

The only Bulgarian better than Balakov was Stoichkov, but he played for Barça.

>>77312947
He was good lad, but really far from the other Bulgarians in terms of ability.

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>WC champion
>Eurocopa champion being the final game scorer
he is elite, no matter what you say

>>77300421

Francescoli was a meme

>>77314635
>He was good lad, but really far from the other Bulgarians in terms of ability.
I'm aware of that, I was just memeing on the fact that Iordanov was a striker on paper, but played as a CB in the 1994 world cup.
Never saw him play, but I heard that he would also play in defensive positions at Sporting sometimes.

>>77314728
I did.
He was a very good player actually.
But after he got diagnosed with multiple sclerosis he was never quite the same. But it's still amazing that he could continue to play and he won the league.

Oh, btw, Iordanov even played as a GK for Bulgaria.

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>>77314781
>Oh, btw, Iordanov even played as a GK for Bulgaria.
ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>77312954
Club football is just a lot more focussed on the top leagues. In the early 90s top Brazilian teams might be legit better than Euro giants. Now they're joke-tier feeder clubs. In the early 2000s Celtic and Rangers matches were serious business, Ajax or PSV might sustain a solid team for several straight years. Now they're picked apart, and even the mid rated players go off to mid table Premiership clubs to try to get higher up the ladder.

>>77300403

> best player in Scotland
> flops in every club after

>>77315041
wtf are you talking about? Without him Arsenal would've won a CL, and Man Utd would have one less PL title.

OH FUCK

>>77300820
lul i got duplicate file

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>>77315078
Based Zack Snyder

>>77298221
Marcel Dionne: the thread.

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This genius

Shearer

>>77325956
>one of the most talented english players ever
>1 FA cup

just why gazza

>>77326018
JUST in general tbqhwy

>>77301067
>>77301276
lol you fucking retard 25mil in the early 80s is not even close to being "equivalent to 500m today", it's more like 75mil (which doesn't even get you one great player nowadays). how about you stop treating random twitter screenshots as fact you dumb monkey fuck

>>77301079
except Napoli won the UEFA cup when it was an actually meaningful competition before they turned it into a mickey mouse cup

>>77326018
Literally would have been a Top 10 of all time and the GOAT English player if he had stayed off the booze.

>>77315041
>>77316775
Yeah, I can only assume that's an incredibly weak trolling attempt. He was at Man Utd for about a month, and they still talk about him there. Fergie had wanted him for about ten years. Still loved at Barca too. And scored a load of great goals for Sweden. Anyway, here's your (You).

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Blanco

>>77326352
Ask most English people and they'll still probably say he's the GOAT.

The guy could dribble past entire teams, our Maradona except even more fucked up.

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Big man Reg

>>77300895
t. Igli Tare

>>77314716
shout your whore mouth

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>>77300603
more like pic related

Maradona at Napoli
Zico at Udinese
Baggio and Socrates at Fiorentina
Francescoli at Cagliari and Torino
Hagi at Brescia
Milito at Genoa and Zaragoza
Redondo at Las Palmas

>>77301886
What am I looking at here

ELITE TEAMS WESTERN EUROPE EDITION
>Historically and Permanently Elite Teams
Real
Barca
Juve
Milan
Bayern
Man Utd

>Historically Elite but getting shat on by time
Liverpool
Inter
Ajax
Benfica

>Historically Elite domestically but not so relevant in Europe
Arsenal
PSG
Dortmund
PSV
Feyenoord
Porto
Sporting
Celtic
Rangers

>Temporarily Relevant at some point
Leeds
Moenchengladbch
Lyon
Torino
Atletico
Valencia
Roma
Lazio
Sampdoria

>Nu-Elite
Chelsea
Man City
RB Leipzig

>>77307468
>The super stacked teams of today started with Real, Milan, Chelsea in the early-mid 2000s
Are you nuts?
They started with Milan in the 90s
They used to have Papin in the bench

>>77328752
Milan?

>>77331542
They were #1 10 years ago but I agree they and to a lesser extent Man Utd are the closest to dropping into the next tier.

If you think about it no one can stay permanently elite forever so in time that top group would inevitably reduce to zero by these standards.

>>77298221
forlan

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>No mention of either of these 2 yet

????????