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Gutierrez is keen to see a race in Mexico.
A couple locations have been fingered as possible venues.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130447
It seems Indycar would like an oval race down there rather than using a dedicated road course. Sound marketing decision to differentiate Indycar from other Formulas if so, but the Puebla oval needs some safety updates if that's going to happen and Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez's Oval is a no go due to impaired sightlines by the stadium in the infield.
The road course at Rodriguez could be fair game there potentially if the FIA and F1 were comfortable with it and a promoter could be found.

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Ed Carpenter Racing led the time charts at Iowa Speedway testing yesterday.
No other Chevrolet team was present as Penske and Foyt were not there, not necessarily an indication of how Honda will perform given that Ganassi's team was not there as well, but Honda's aero is at a disadvantage where efficient(low drag) Downforce is needed.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141876-ecr-chevys-fast-at-iowa-indycar-test

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Robert Wickens, that one Leaf who was really slow in practice while filling in for Mikhail on Friday this weekend, surprise, surprise said that he wasn't interested in trying for a full time Indycar program.
In seriousness though, Robert was better than James Hinchcliffe in all of the ladder formulas, had his sights set on F1, but placed 2nd one year in the Red Bull Development program and was dropped, he was really just there to set up Mikhail's car.
A DTM drive with Mercedes probably pays well and Wickens could retire without having to worry about serious injuries throughout his career.
http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2017/06/28/wickens-not-interested-in-full-time-indycar-switch-despite-practice-run/amp/

>>76813032
I say street race.

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>>76814214
If it was set up like São Paulo Brazil's Street race was, then I'm all for it.
That track had a wide, nearly mile long, straight away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVl2PuojmJg

That was almost Josef Newgarden's first Indycar win. Wasn't to be though, Josef's first win would come at Alabama in 2015 with CFH Racing.

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>>76813210
they kept asking Alonso that, and now Wickens
why does the IndyCar media always do this

>be pro driver
>do one IndyCar race
>one of us ONE OF US ONE OF US FULL TIME CONFIRMED
>uh no

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>>76819907
Kek.
Yeah only certain outlets even bother asking drivers that.
Sometimes it feels like the journalists surrounding Indycar are participating in amateur hour at all times, at least we have Robin and Marshall.
It's good just to have press really.

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>>76821476
>>76819907
>>76813210

yeah there's a vibe of "do you notice us? are we important? pls respond" to the way they covered alonso and also wickens

desu I'd never heard of Wickens before but one mediocre practice session and everyone drools over him. Reminded me of Luca Filippi a bit.

>>76821630
Or that German ALMS driver who raced Sonoma a few years ago.
With that said I'm pleased to see drivers crossing disciplines.

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This car turned into more of a monster than an art piece.
I think I'm done for now.

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Dale Coyne confirmed that he will run 3 cars when Bourdais returns.
Likely running a third car in 2018 with Gutierrez(or someone depending on his results)

>>76824737
Good to hear, but... who's going to pay for it?

>>76825084
Why do you suppose GUT got a ride?
He likely brings funding and mid season, that was something Coyne was in need of.
He'll probably keep Gutierrez around next season as well.

>>76825307
...but who is paying for Gutierrez?

...and why?

...what does he have on them?

>>76819907
On one hand in English media both US and UK/CAN Indy and F1 are about the same popularity. Obviously F1 is 10x bigger (almost literally) when you add in the rest of the world.

Its good for clicks from both your F1 crowd and your Indy crowd if you ask a driver from one series a question about another.

>>76825368
but Wickens is from Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft

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>>76825325
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

:^)

Indycar may also have a vested interest in keeping him around to use as traction for a race in Mexico.

>>76825325
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escuderia_Telmex

>>76825325
Carlos Slim

>>76824737
Here's the source for it for those interested.
http://autoweek.com/article/indycar/dale-coyne-sebastien-bourdais-already-planning-2018-comeback-title-run?

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>>76825527
Pls
Just give us a livery like this, you can stay Esteban if you just pull through with Fernandez old Livery.

>>76826315
>Just give us a livery like this, you can stay Esteban if you just pull through with Fernandez old Livery.
Fuck no, that livery is too much for that fucking shit gutierrez.

It would be a disgrace, he wouldn't do honor to it, sacrilege, he wouldn't do it justice.

>>76826487
We don't have any other Mexican drivers though ;_;

You may follow some Mexican drivers, if you could choose a driver to take up the Fernandez mantle, who would it be?

>>76826564
I don't actually follow the mexican motorsport scene like at all(don't even know if there is still one).
I don't even like the current mexican drivers.

>>76826617
The possibility of that livery appearing on a non-Mexican driver is almost none.

Which drivers do you follow then?(any series)
Who of them would you want to see given a ride?

>>76826677
Nobody, i just watch the racing i feel like watching and support the car that has a bright livery.


it works 100% of the time.

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>>76826845
I can dig it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdrv3hU7Cxk

So I happened to watch this particular "remix" that Indycar put out of the Road America race.
The video includes Team Radio and Driver transmissions.
Many of these transmissions contain words like "Fuck" or "Motherfucker took me out." t. Tony Kanaan.

>>76827183
kek

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One last bump do the evening so we actually survive the night.

Got a long way till July 9th.

An idle question for you all, do you think anyone with over 300 points this season still has a shot at the championship?

How big was Simon's points lead at this point last season?
I remember him leading most of last season, Scott will probably take it, but a lot could happen in the next 8 races.

How come indycar doesn't go to Brazil anymore.

>>76828511
they didn't pay the sanctioning fee last time

Who do we have to bribe to get a race back on the Gold Coast? Just tell me where to put the brown paper bag.

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>>76828624
There were talks about an Australian race a while ago.
Gone a bit quiet, but as international countries go I think that's a priority to see a race back there.
Foreign race are particularly expensive though. The Sanctioning fee is a fair shake higher to cover travel costs.
If you find a promoter willing to take on the race then that would be a start.

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GEHL will be returning as Graham's primary sponsor at Iowa Speedway.

I wish this livery designer had just used photoshop on some of the released renders, something about the model they use just looks off, this one isn't as bad, but others have messed up proportions(I think) as they built it in another program.

>>76812898
So, why is Indy still a national series? Why won't it go touring around the world at European and Asian tracks and instead sticks in North America?

>>76831073
Need promoters.
Obviously we have international drivers and fans, but it's expensive to get things moving on other continents.

I do think we need about 5 international events though.
One in Mexico, the UK, Australia, Japan, and [Insert your favourite track].
If we had a 15 race domestic schedule with 5 international races, that would be neat.

CART was becoming an international series prior to the Split, Bernie was not amused.

>>76831248
>, and [Insert your favourite track].
Monza!
Spa!
Catalunya!

>>76831548
An FIA grade 1 track that's currently not on the F1 calendar would probably work too.
There's a lot of neglected racing markets, some due to just poor attendance, which I understand, but others due to Bernie dropping them in favor of a track somewhere in East Asia or the Middle East.

Is an car an athlete?

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>>76832537
A driver is desu senpai.

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Robin Miller and Marshall Pruett review the Indycar race at Road America and the news week.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141898-podcast-the-week-in-indycar-news-june-29

>>76834294
Marshall needs to watch the "White Men" rhetoric. I get that bull has been taught at university for 60+ years now, but someone needs to catch on eventually.
No group is an island and decisions affect all.

As for why women don't tend to go racing is likely due to a myriad of factors outside of talent and funding.
Men don't like putting women in dangerous situations, racing is dangerous and team owners are all men. Our society puts more value on women, imagine the kind of "SHUT IT DOWN" crying that would happen if Danica Patrick had lost her life.
Women also have to sacrifice their best years to have children in order to have a racing career. In general business, owners are afraid to hire women for important jobs because they could fall pregnant at any time and take maternity leave.
Men have an biological aptitude towards mathematics and engineering. Cars are a mechanical marvel of the modern age so men find them more fascinating, therefore more men get into a racing career on some level. Women who want to do this are very rare, it's not a situation of "oh, they just don't know they want to." They likely just don't want to or we'd see a statistical trend somewhere.

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I didn't realize its a week and a half until next race.

what the fuck

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>>76838495
Shit sucks, but we should have enough news to cover.
Iowa last year was a clinic put on by Josef Newgarden.
Honda mistook RHR's car for a crop duster and set up the engine accordingly because it blew a huge plume of white smoke all down the backstretch.

>>76838495
this

I wish there was a race every week

I found this cool video with a side by side on board lap comparison between a F1 car and a CART-era IndyCar, both doing a lap at Circuit Gilles Villenueve. the F1 car is not a whole lot faster.

https://youtu.be/Auk5uw0MYcA

>>76839504
obviously the small time difference would add up over an entire race, but it's impressive that Indy Cars can get this close to F1 cars with a tiny fraction of the engineering budget.

>>76839504
Not really all that close.
You'll have to recall that 2014 was the slowest season in the last 30 years.

According to Chevrolet's aero kit testing done in November 2014 at COTA, the Chevy Indycar would have been 10-11th position in F1's 2014 qualifying session.

The new regulations F1 has gives the cars a ton more Downforce, the wide tires give much more mechanical grip, and the engines are more powerful than in 2014.

The closest Indycar might have ever been was within 2 seconds a lap.

>>76840016
you're forgetting that Indy Car teams have a tiny fraction of the budget

>>76840088
I'm not forgetting it.
GTP Sport Cars were faster than Indycars in the mid 80's to early 90's on about the same(or less) budget. Can Am cars were faster than both Indycar and F1 during the 70's.
It's all down to what the regulations allow.
It would be reasonably simple(and much cheaper) to build a car faster than an F1 car(assuming one has the budget). It would look a lot like a Le Man prototype, but stripped of that stupid Energy recovery/Hybrid system and any extra weight while maximizing DF and putting a light-weight 1000HP engine in the back.
The car could probably manage a second a lap faster.
Comparing different Formulas monetary expenditure for this reason is a bit silly, but we can compare and contrast the performance.

>>76840199
I wish someone would bring back GTP and Group C cars, but modernized a bit with safety and things like that

>>76840310
The LMP1/2 are modern evolutions of the aero concepts found on GTP and Group C.
I just wish the engines had ~1000hp like they did back then. Instead we're stuck with these 400hp IC engines with this goofy Hybrid/KERS system(temporary 4-500hp) that's way too expensive to implement into road cars anyway.
The cars could be making it to 250mph before the chicanes on Mulsanne at Le Mans.

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Now that I think about it, it would be fucking awesome for Indycar to turn up the boost on the cars so they produce 850-900hp.
Turn it back down for ovals, whatever, but they'd be properly quick on road courses then in combination with the huge DF they already produce.
Was just watching an old CART race from 1999.

Obviously they don't do that for cost concerns and the desire to keep the engines going to for longer, but a good thought anyway.

>>76840624
why can't we crank up the horsepower? in any series?
is it really just costs? or are they scared someone will die

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>>76813032
No. This pic can't be real.
Tortilla?
Macarena?
Its a beautiful course, formula one roval round when?
>tfw meme magic is building magnificent race courses.

>>76816517
S E R I E S O F P E A C E

>>76840916
It really is just cost as Indycar is concerned. The only places their concerned about safety are ovals and that can be fixed with a boost adjustment.
F1 and LMP1 engines are a complete package, the internal combustion units are barely being pushed, but the hybrid systems they have one them are under threat to fail.

>>76841059
That's the Puebla oval.
It needs that inner retaining wall removed though and replaced with a wall+catch fence 10 yards back.

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>>76816517
outta the way, the king is here.

>>76826845
As far as INDYCAR is concerned you're likely the target audience. IMSA too. USA is road racing putos as far as the organizations seem to care.

>>76841269
Its funny how after over 15 years of watching CART, IRL and Indycar i'm still a turbo casual.

is it time for the next race yet? reeeeeee

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>>76841725
If only.

>>76842177
speaking of #Hinchtown, I'm betting on Hinch as most likely to replace Tony Kanaan at Ganassi next year.

TK is done except for Indy 500 run offs

>>76842215
*one offs

but seriously, Hinch's contract at SPM runs out this year. and no way Chip keeps TK in that seat unless he's an idiot with no plan for the future.

>>76842253
Hinch or RHR(who is getting older himself).
How many other championship calibur will be free next year?
You're right, Dixon is getting older and he's the last truly competitive(almost dominant really) driver Chip has right now.

>>76842359
RHR was offered a Penske seat in 2012 but he declined and stayed loyal to Andretti.

and now he's paying the price.

>>76842381
Was that after his 2012 championship?
Perhaps, but he does still have the number one seat at Andretti and probably will for the forseeable future despite performance.

I can also appreciate loyalty to a team. Josef's decision to go to Penske was not an easy decision as he enjoyed having the #1 seat at ECR.

>>76842434
I think RHR wanted to be "the Number One guy" at Andretti, knowing that wasn't gonna happen at Penske or Ganassi

but now with Rossi coming in, and Sato winning the 500, he's not that number one guy anymore.

>also I heard a rumor of Andretti switching to Chevrolet but I don't know if I believe it because Sato would leave if that happened

pure speculation, I'm no expert but it's fun and keeps the thread bumped.

>>76842484
Andretti and Honda said that rumor was news to them(that doesn't mean anything though), but I agree it would mean Sato was done.
He may retire anyway though, he did the one thing that he could hope for, he'll never be a championship contender.

Chevrolet might see the value in having many teams because Honda has wiped the floor with Chevy.
I wouldn't be surprised if they talked with Andretti for that simple reason.

>>76842541
>Honda has wiped the floor with Chevy

not really. it depends on the track. even if Honda does have more HP, it dorsnt matter if the engine blows. remember Long Beach when all Andretti cars DNFed?

maybe next year with spec aero we can get a better idea of engine performance.

also I totally throw out the window this "sandbagging" speculation that seems to get thrown about often. what reason would either manufacturer have to "sandbag"?

Will next week involve IndyCar promoting VisorCam while having it on still just one driver?

>>76842605
yeah probably.

they just need to stick a cam on every driver's helmet and be done with it. hopefully next year. I like the helmet cam a lot better than the cam mounted on the car above their heads. it really gives you a better sense of the speed

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>>76842642
>mfw those 60 fps shots

it is horrifying and I love it

>>76842583
I don't think Honda was concerned about individual teams as much just winning races.
They've won the lion's share of races this year which is what I meant when I said they were wiping the floor.
I agree though, the weaknesses and strengths of each manufacterer is a known quantity.

>>76842652
also its easier to see their steering wheel, and when they hit the paddles to shift. and you get to see how much their head is bobbing around in the wind.

>>76842672
ALSO you get to see them check their mirrors

visor cam is so superior to mounted car cam, I don't get why it's taken us until 2017 for this to be a thing. the technology was there years ago

>>76842672
It's pretty intense.
This tech has been aroun for so long, I wonder why it took so long to convince them to broadcast it.
Also
For those who watch NASCAR, what's with the crazy looking fighter jet helmets?
Are they for keeping the driver cool or fresh oxygen or something?

>>76842727
coolant

I think the visor cam will also help the stewards.

with it, you have no questions about what the driver saw, or didn't see, because you are basically looking through his eyes.

>>76842747
Gotcha.
I thought the heat in the tin tops was just apart of NASCAR. What do the drivers even have to contend with physically now?

Obviously they have to strain mentally to make sure they're paying attention, but the G-Forces are paltry compared to Formula cars so there's not much physical requirements.

>>76842762
In fact, you see more than the driver, those helmets kill peripheral vision.
That's a good use.

>>76842819
until the human race goes full cyborg, and our eyes become cameras, I think this is the closest we will get

>>76842849
I would be interested to watch a car constructor's championship with computers that automate driving.
Would be highly entertaining when an accident would happen. I imagine if the ai driver malfunctioned it would be hilariously catastrophic.

>>76842849
we need to get a 1-eyed driver and put a camera in there.

>>76842954
I bet before I'm dead, F1 will combine with Formula E and it will be all computer controlled electric cars

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>>76843031
Punished Karam is coming back with a vengeance.

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>>76816517

>>76843670
It took me a long fucking time to figure out that was a psychedelic crash scene.
That was Stan Fox's accident yeah?

The idea of it actually did make me laugh due to being made light despite being gruesome. He was lucky to live.

>>76843670
>>76843732
*that was Danny Ongias accident, he was lucky to live.
I'm glad we don't see those kinds of accidents anymore, the bad leg injuries in the 80's and 90's are gone, prayerfully for good.

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#posse

>>76812898
DAILY REMINDER:

ROSSI POSSE IS JUST A MEME
WILL POWER IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE /ourguy/

>>76844759
I don't have Power's livery to post.
Besides Will is just /yourguy/

>>76844759
>look Mom I posted it again

haters gonna hate, RossiPosse will survive

>>76844784
>RossiPosse will survive
until the end of this season when his asshole gets dumped for someone with actual talent, Yes

>>76844797
Rossi is leading the Andretti's team in the championship.
I suspect he's better than you may think.

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>>76844784
My mom died in her sleep when I failed in responding to a certain post in a timely enough fashion
Shit sucks anon.
Don't be like me

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>>76844818
>My mom died in her sleep when I failed in responding to a certain post in a timely enough fashion

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>>76844874
You will learn the same lesson soon enough anon.
Trust me.

>hating on Rossi
shiggity diggity
like >>76844814 said, Rossi is best Andretti driver right now.

yes Sato won the 500 this year, but he's getting old, and doesn't get in the top 10 often like Rossi does.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi goes to Ganassi or Penske in a few years.

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I seriously hope you guys aren't hating on Rossi

all of my George Costanzas

he is THE /ourguy/

>>76844899
>I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi goes to Ganassi or Penske in a few years.

Graham Rahal will get there first.
Rossi will end up in Formula-E

>>76844916
Rossi is a butt plug wearing faggot and you know it anon
pls stop

>>76844918
why would Graham leave the family team?

he already tried that and it didn't work

>>76844944
>Why would Dale Earnhardt Jr leave DEI?

>>76844928
no u stop
you think you can diss the #Possi and get away with it?

>>76844976
>#Possi
(You) have to go back

>>76844967
Dale Jr. is a retiring mush brain due to concussions and has nothing to do with IndyCar

>>76844928
t. Tony Kanaan

Rossi is fine, I much prefer Newgarden.

>>76844987
go back to what?

Rossi is /indy/'s guy

>>76844990
it's an apt analogy faggot

>>76845003
>go back to what?
>>>/r/indycar/

>>76845021
sounds like that is where you need to go to.

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>>76845037
POSTING INDYCAR DEATH VIDEOS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20cJTgFLomg

>>76845058
we've all seen it a hundred times.
trying to prove how edgy and 4channer you are by posting a man's death? not gonna work, bud.

>>76845058
Everyone knows it's dangerous.
No need to tread old ground, everyone has seen it.

yes, drivers have died. you think we don't know this?
what are you trying to do here?

>>76845152
He's trying to be obnoxious.
It falls under /b/ tier posting.

>>76845168
he's triggered by the existence of the #RossiPosse so he posts deaths?

Racer article on Gary Airy's first oval test
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141902-every-single-change-wows-gutierrez-in-oval-test

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>>76845203
Racer were more than a little slow getting to that, same transcript as the Motorsport.com article.
Good to have it posted for a new thread though.

>>76845547
what's the deal with Racer?
why does their fucking website take so long to load?

and are Marshall Pruett and Robin Miller /ourguys/?

To life for the day.

>>76845638
Racer is generally the most knowledgeable, best insider, Indycar group.
Sources and teams inside Indycar trust Robin and Marshall not to reveal any more than what's allowed.
Generally speaking they're /ourguys/.

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W E W
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>>76849345

>smoky

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>>76849359

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>>76849374

>practice session

>>76849387
Was that all at good wood?
That 93 PC22 Chassis was quick.

>>76849526
>Was that all at goodwood?

Only Indycar/Champcar I've seen on the stream today.

>>76849546
How long did its P1 status last?
Hope we'll have video of that run soon.

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>>76849580

>inb4 Pearl Harbor

>>76849627
Fug.
Goes to show how far road cars have come though.

Is Jeremy Smith an enthusiast or was age a professional at some point?

>>76849652

The Subaru isn't exactly stock.
It's the same car they used for the Isle of Mann record, with a few changes.
They're here to win, not to "have a go".

Your Google is as good as mine for Jeremy Smith.

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Just a low speed demo run

>>76849716
Needs the Road Course wings.

Jeremy placed 3rd in F3 once.

This was talked about before to others, but there was a particular part in Honda's engines that was failing early in an engine's life. They believe they've fixed it.
http://www.indycar.com/News/2017/06/06-30-Honda-finds-fix

>>76849332
>>76849716
is this operated by the same people who restored this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJbKkMd2W7E

Scott Dixon's car faces protocol penalties, Charlie Kimball faces technical regulation penalties.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141929-ganassi-penalized-for-road-america-infractions
>>76850778
Not likely, those guys have only done one Indycar.

>>76850979
>Cheat Ganassi

>>76844928
Time to retire Tony KILLnan

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Some insight into Conor Daly' and Foyt's season.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/2017/06/29/conor-daly-stays-positive-amid-rebuilding-year-foyt/440675001/

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An extra tidbit about Project Cars 2 related to Indycar.
The Pit Stops are fully animated, SM Studios used motion capture across different forms of Motorsport to animate stops.
http://www.isrtv.com/project-cars-2/project-cars-2-take-look-game-race-settings/

Would advise not using the Speedway aero at Long Beach unless you want to have a really bad time.

>>76853768
nr2003 had animated pit crew too, big whoop.

>>76854324
What was the last game with multiple series in it that did?

>>76854495
does it matter? the point is that old games did it until everyone realized it was useless veneer

>>76854526
Video games are a veneer.
Woah...

>>76854597
no

>>76849298
>>76849309
>>76849320
>>76849332
>>76849345
>>76849359
>>76849374
>>76849387
I spent a good hour looking to see if anyone had video of it.
No one's day 2 highlights had it.

Is it possible for anyone to take away Dixon's points lead?

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Ed Carpenter should probably concede his seat time to Spencer spigot entirely.
I think the kid could do well everywhere.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141934-pigot-making-his-mark-by-moving-forward

>>76850979
Actually, this goes a bit deeper.
Scott Dixon went out on an install lap, OUTSIDE of allotted practice time, so the team could pinpoint a fuel issue.
It's worth noting that had they not taken this install lap and found the problem, Dixon would have undoubtedly not won at Road America.
So it begs the question, if your team needs extra practice time, do you just pay the fine and not have to worry about potential disqualification.
Are teams alright with just ignoring the rules if it's just a fine?

Indycar needs to clarify that in the future, any car on track outside of practice, qualifications, and the race may be disqualified at the Sanctioning body's discretion.

How do the other teams feel about it I wonder.?

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Ausbro said the Penske PC22 was the first Indycar he'd seen at GoodWood, but I've seen a couple pre war cars. There was a F5000 car that was a Dan Gurney Eagle, similar(but slower) than his Indycars at the time.

Gurney was very proud of his eagle Chassis's when he was constructing towards the end of the 60's, so proud in fact that he challenged all F1 teams to a race.
Read about it here:
http://allamericanracers.com/challenge-to-a-duel-f1-vs-indy-2/

fuck Ganassi

a fine isn't enough they should be docked points

>>76860903
I agree.
It was the difference of them starting from the back or winning the race.
The stakes were much higher than a fine could satisfy, if something wasn't right with the engine then that sounds like a Honda problem.

>>76855042

If you go back 30 minutes from now you'll find it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEhEbPoDtHo

Stream will update to day 3 soon though.

>>76861578
Appreciate it.

How do we solve the Chip Ganassi question?
What's our final solution?
Kanaan and Kimball are united in their menace and Chip is their purveyor.

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http://www.indycar.com/News/2017/07/07-01-Canada-Day-Hinchcliffe

A FUCKING LEAF

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>>76842696
>>>/wsg/1760446

BECAUSE CHAMPCAR DID IT FIRST CRAPWAGONS GET OUT reeeee

wish they still had sequential transmissions, would make onboards so much more interesting

>>76868492
It really wasn't all that different.
Once CART moved to sequential shift from Manual gearbox it was only a small step away from just moving to paddle shifters like Champ Car.

Nigel Mansell had a little trouble with manual shifting when he first came over, but it wasn't too far after that they moved to sequential.

>>76868492
they should bring back sequential gearboxes.

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>>76869936
They are, the mechanism is just a bit different, it's not like they've had a clutch for anything but starting out for 2+ decades.

>>76828624

CAMS are basically a puppet of the V8 Supercars series and actively strong-arm other series out of Australia.

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For reference of how much quicker modern Indycars are to the LMP2 class in IMSA, Pipo Derani set a record lap(for P2 cars) at Watkins Glen of 1:34.405s.
Scott Dixon's pole time last year was 1:22.526

Now P1 cars are obviously quicker than P2 cars, but around Le Mans which is a huge 8.5 mile circuit, they're only lapping about 10 seconds faster.

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/141962-derani-s-lap-record-earns-glen-imsa-pole

It's a far cry from the Group C/GTP cars that were quicker some years than CART Indycars during the late 80's/early 90's.

>>76870479
They don't want to be seen as a support series to Indycar(or anyone else).
I get that, but as successful events go, the most successful events bring multiple kinds of Motorsport to one weekend.

>>76870500
P1 cars last 24 hours and Indy cannot. F1 clearly cannot

>>76870240

you know what he means

requiring drivers to get one hand off the wheel to change gear

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>>76870775
>P1 cars last 24 hours
kek
sometimes

>>76870903

DELET

just got Grid 2 and Grid Autosport on Steam summer sale because I wanted a game with the Dallara DW12 and I doubt my PC can handle Project Cars

for some reason it was cheaper to buy both than just buy one? weird

what am I in for lads? I loved Grid 1

>>76872330

fun games just dont expect realism

>>76873228
meh I don't like super realistic games much anyway I get too frustrated

>>76873238
you'll get frustrated by how unrealistic grid is, trust me. and I don't just mean the physics

>>76873688
what do u mean

>>76873791
the way they have the "career" go and the way a race weekend goes, the AI is very slow, many cars are limited in what tracks they can use etc... Just a very frustrating game compared to everything else in the genre that is more wide open and customizable which I used to take for granted.

>>76872330
As another poster said, it's unrealistic.
Hope they were cheap.

The only games that offer a reasonably authentic "feeling" Indycar experience are Assetto Corsa, iRacing, Project Cars.
Even games like Forza are incredibly arcadey where you can drive the road course aero 230mph around Indy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDrWrYwIBB8
Speed Channel MAC vs. PC commercial spoof featuring Robin Miller.

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I think the 05 Lola was more attractive than the Panoz DP01.

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>>76882357
Looked a lot more like a clear evolution of CART. The DP01 was by no means an ugly car, just not as attractive as its predecessors.

>>76882357
Well you are not wrong.

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>>76882357

>>76882475
>>76882561
Needed the validation, thanks gents.

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One last bump for the night then.

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W E W
E
W

Gas turbines again, when?

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Fastest time so far this weekend.

Shootout later today, in 5 and a bit hours.
>4pm UK time

>>76884768
Awesome.
I finally caught the first run where he ran into traffic.
Did they fix what was going on with the engine?
Was really smoking and sounded like it had a miss on the run a day ago where he ran into traffic.

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This is your Good Wood P1.
A Jaguar GTP car.
It beat the Penske, but not because the Penske PC22 was actually a slower car.
I'll explain in a moment.

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>>76889640
THAT FUCKING SUBARU KICKED UP DIRT ALL OVER THE FUCKING TRACK.
REEEEEEEEEE

Jeremy could barely keep the car straight, a dirty track it like driving on ice for a car that weighs only 1700lbs.

Spencer Pigot is racing this Indycar off weekend in an IMSA Prototype.
He is presently 2nd in the Mazda Prototype.

Spencer Pigot was passed, we did not get to see the pass.
He moves back to 3rd.
For those who want to watch one of our guys race another discipline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFfc95AkHc0

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Pigots car Watkins Glen.

>>76889670
you mean to say THE ACTIONS OF THE SUBARU IMPREZA IN INTRODUCING GRAVEL TO THE RACE COURSE FORCED ME TO DEPLOY THE SAFETY CAR?!

>>76890392
Townsend Bell, Tristan Vautier, Sage Karam also racing

>>76894018
Haha, basically.
Only Good Wood doesn't clean the track of dirt.

>>76897238
Lord March needs to start gravelshaming

>>76889670
Jeremy Smith was only .09s away from the GTP car.
If there hadn't been dirt in the first sector he would have beaten it by a half second or better, because that was the gap after S1. S2 and S3 he was closing quickly.

>>76901047
>look mom I posted it again

if you're just bumping the thread at least find some different pictures

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>>76901255
Will do.

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Emerson Fittipaldi, Al Unser Jr., and Paul Tracy was Penske's lineup for the 1994 season.
Tracy got a ride with team Penske after Rick Mears was injured in 92. Mears would retire the end of the season and Tracy would replace him.
Paul Tracy was fired at the end of the 1994 season by Roger the first time. He was then hired by Newman Haas for 1995 after Nigel Mansell decided he'd had enough and retired from CART.
Paul would be rehired by Penske for the 1996 season and then fired again after the 1997 season.

He is the only driver to ever be fired twice from Penske.

Not sure about the details of the first firing, but the second was unceremonious, two of Roger's employees gave Paul the severance notice and it was done in two minutes.

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Does anyone know the technical reason why the wings were designed like a droopy mustache?

I would think flat wings with small end plates would provide the most efficient DF:Drag ratio, but I'm technically inept.

>>76902548
maybe angling it enables you to make it slightly longer for a bit more surface area? no idea. the Reynards were less successful than non-angled Penskes and Lolas on ovals but that might just be because of the teams operating them at the time.

>>76902798
accidentaly hit enter

so the Reynard wasn't good with the angled wing like that against flat wing, but then at the end of the decade Penske, Lola and even AAR Eagles had them. So it doesn't make much sense but I am not educated

>>76902798
>longer for more surface area
That's a good point. Gone are the days where the front wings could not go past the inside of the front tire, today's Indycar front wing go to the outside of the front tire and even in F1 the wings are allowed to go almost to the pout side of the front tire.

Which Chassis did they appear on first, Reynard?
They must have hit on something if everyone else began using them.

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guy that bought Grid 2 and Grid Autosport in the Steam summer sale here. got both plus all DLC in a pack for super cheap

>beat Grid 2
>reviews said it was too arcadey
>I agree, kind of fun, but Grid 1 was better

>now playing Grid Autosport
>better cars better tracks, not just all street racing and touge
>playing open wheel
>turn off assists, get buttfucked
>but reviews said it wasn't realistic enough

>can't even win a semi-realistic racing videya
>little boy dreams of being a race driver = shattered

JUST

how do I not suck?
do I have to buy a wheel and pedals?

>ywn be good enough to play Project Cars

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>>76904729
>"""""touge"""""

>>76904784
Tōge 峠
there happy weeb

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Gurney's All American Racers. Dan had an unbelievably successful Chassis program in the 60's and 70's. His 1996-1999 campaign was not nearly so successful, but they were beautiful cars.
>>76904729
I find a lot of racing games are buttfucking backwards when it comes to controller setup. They expect people to use all assists and tailor the controller experience to that.
When I bought Project Cars, it was nearly impossible to keep the fucking cars straight. Some of it was PC's weight shifting physics which cause really funky slides when entering a corner, but most of it was the god awful dead zones and sensitivity settings that they had on in the settings.
The dead zones meant that I had to be at 30% throttle before the car even reacts and in PC's it meant that I was going to spin out on cold tires. The sensitivity settings meant that it "sampled" the pressure placed on the trigger fewer times, so instead of having 100 milestones when checking the pressure, it only used 30 across the distance the trigger moved so it was less precise and easy to lock up brakes or use too much throttle.
Try playing with controller sensitivity settings.

>>76904802

>implying I'm the weeb

>>76904729
Also wheels are fucking expensive(you don't need them m8) and while I'm an enthusiast for various racing series, I'm not willing to spend that much on an accessory only used for particular car games that I'll really only drive Indycars on.

>>76904831
so just unfuck my game pad and gitgud?

>>76904961
Basically, If the input method is miserable to use, then it won't matter how good you actually are.
Maybe watch some onboard cameras with telemetry to get a general idea of when drivers tend get on the brakes and on the throttle.
Try lone practice sessions.

>>76905000
I'm trying to figure how to do practice besides the 10 minutes you get before the races in career mode. All I can find is single race outside of career

also Im just trying the different categories, Im doing ok with this NSX in single race but the open wheel is a lot harder than in Grid 1

Tried endurance
>tire deg
>NO PIT STOPS

kek

>>76905049
Gotcha, I never played any of the GRID games so I've no idea what they play like or what they offer.
There may be a mod out there for a practice mode if for some godforsaken reason there's no dedicated practice mode.

>>76905080
Kek
>try to go to the pits, Crew Chief tells you, "They ain't done until there's threads showin' boy. Keep them lap times down."

>>76905097
Grid 1 is GOAT not total sim but not total arcade game IMO, up there with Gran Turismo series

no IndyCars though only F3

I FIGURED IT OUT!
how to race these open wheels on this game
I was doing it all wrong before, trying to go through the turns exactly like a normal car it's different
now I get it it's fun
gotta sleep now tho

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There was something that still managed to be attractive about the first generation of IRL cars. They shared a lot of their DNA with CART's Chassis at the time so that may be why.

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Do you have any questions for Esteban Gutierrez?
Ask him here:
http://safeisfast.com/ask-a-pro/esteban-gutierrez/
I think he'll answer them on his Twitter.

I only have one question, how did he manage to lose a ride at HAAS F1, a team who knew they wouldn't be competitive the very first year they debuted.

>>76845058
>not posting Gordon Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYnTtul3670

>>76911232
Or just don't post any of them by being an obnoxious cunt.
EVERYONE has seen them.
Most normal people don't revel in seeing them. I watched it once, became desensitized to it and moved on.

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http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/142011-imsa-courting-lmp2-entries-with-36-hours-of-florida-promotion

Unrelated, but
>36 Hour Endurance race
Nothing is set. They're trying to entice European LMP2 Entries from Le Mans.

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>>76909775

Fuck off back to Trackforum. There's a reason those cars were nicknamed "Crapwagons".

>>76913022
>There's a reason those cars were nicknamed "Crapwagons".
whats the reason?

>>76913022
Easy pal, you can bitch about things on other antiquated forums.
I said there was something attractive about them, not that everything about them was nice looking.
They're certainly better looking than the IRL cars after.

>>76912190
>36 Hours of Florida

They should race back and forth along US-1 from Key West to Jacksonville for 36 hours.

I'd watch that.

>>76913061

Because they were crap.

>>76913061
It's "split" terminology.
Now that we have a unified series it's possible to look at the good and bad a little easier.
What worked and what obviously didn't.

>>76913372
>What worked and what obviously didn't.

>Worked:
CART
Sucking up to engine manufacturers and their money

>What obviously didn't:
Indy Racing League

>>76913450
Post split CART and Champ Car obviously didn't work either did it.

>>76913734

>have idea for a business
>start business
>business thrives
>someone sets it on fire
>"your business failing proves your idea didn't work"

Can someone give a me a quick enchilada on Indycar?
I know a bit about NASCAR from Foxes Radioactives, but Indy is a blank picture for me.
>Are all racecars the same, or can teams tinker with aero/engines?
>How many events does a season have?
>Does Indy have road courses?
>How many Teams/drivers are there?
>Why isn't Indy as high profile as NASCAR?
>Why is there no NASCAR general?

>>76914521
yes and yes
this is variable
yes
this is variable
reasons
reasons

>>76914658
Any highlight reels that one could watch, similar to Radioactive perhaps?
Or do I just watch compilation videos for a while till I pick up names of drivers and their associated cars?

>>76914706
Watch the Barber 2016 race for a solid idea of what to expect.

Basically any Indycar race you can imagine is on youtube for free.

>>76913904
It just couldn't survive without the Indianapolis 500.
There was no marque event at that point.

>>76915137
>It just couldn't survive without the Indianapolis 500

That would be someone setting it on fire.

>>76915120
Alright thanks

>>76915187
You bet mate.
Appreciate the Interest, if you have questions regardjng rules just ask.

>>76915187
If you want to watch an exciting oval course, watch the Texas race from this year.

I wouldn't say it was a "good" race, in the classic sense, but it was exciting to watch.

If you want to watch the worst of IndyCar and what is essentially 105 minute blooper real, watch the one race IndyCar had in New Orleans.

>>76915746
It was certainly exciting for the wrong reasons.
I was scared a driver would get seriously hurt.
The 2012/2013 Texas races were really solid.

https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news/portland-would-need-upgrading-for-indycar-race-926323/
Some word on hurdles a return to Portland International Raceway would face.

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>>76916782
Words from Tony Cotman.
>Cotman, who designs street tracks but also advises on changes to be made to existing courses, told Motorsport.com: “The track since we last raced there is wider – it’s really nice and the surface is beautiful. The layout has been tweaked slightly but it’s all good.
>“I haven’t been there for six months, but from when I went, I’d say there’s some upgrading that needs to be done because everything there is kinda temporary.
>“There’s some changes to make to some of the debris fencing, for example, but that can be done easily enough.
>“The problem is that although it’s a permanent facility, the costs involved are higher, because of the extra stuff you have to bring in compared with a track that has all of its structures permanent.
>“So my worry would be that it doesn’t just need a promoter; more like a ‘promoter-plus’ – someone who’s willing to take more of a financial risk. Portland might need 80,000 people over a weekend to make it work for the guys paying the bills whereas Barber might be able to get away with 20,000.”

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Do you think I could convince IndyCar to come back to Baltimore if instead of having the race downtown, they used this lovely park instead?

>>76916956
There's almost no way, especially at a park.
Baltimore was a money losing event, the organizers cite schedule conflicts, but I seem to remember reading a few articles at the time about its demise being due to ofher factors.
The GP of Boston(you now remember that almost happened and was on the schedule) was also a folly. Indycar needs to be VERY careful about where it decides to go ahead and try a street race.
I'm skeptical of the Nashville GP being a thing as well. I also hate parking lot Street course layouts.
If there's a purpose built racing facility, whether Road Course or Oval, I'd rather us be there.
I do like St. Pete, Long Beach, and (One Race at)Detroit.
I REALLY liked the 2013 Sao Paulo layout and don't care for Toronto at all.

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Want to thank some of our international posters as they keep us alive(off page 10) between the hours US hours of 2-10am.

>>76918833
This was supposed to go with that.
http://fortheloveofindy.blogspot.com/2017/07/musings-from-weekend-long-beachs-future.html?


Blog discusses the Future of the Long Beach GP.
Will we see F1 on shore line drive or Indycar barreling down the streets?
Chris Pook vs. Kevin Khalkoven

Rossi and Marco confirmed for tit grabbers.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWGo0gNj5hU/

>>76919656

I thought the 4th of July was about 'murican freedom, not sexual freedom...

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>>76919709
I'd freely grab their nipples non-sexually.

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>>76919709
Also, would you copulate with this?

>>76919873

Hell no. Nothing but corporate interests sucking each others dicks.
No fans want it, or are even interested.

>>76919917
Gotcha.
Always good to have insight into the Emu Republic.

>>76919656
TOP FUCKING KEK

>>76920954
.gif pls
also I vote it's next OP pic

>>76901644
based PT's side of the Penske story
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/what-the-hell-happened-to-paul-tracy

>>76920985
>At 16, Tracy won his first race in a Formula Ford 1600. At the same age, he won his first race in a Formula Ford 2000. At 17, he won his first race in a Cam-Am car. And he won not only his first Indy Lights race but went on to bag nine Lights victories in 1990, then a single-season record.
>At which point, a CART ride was a shoo-in, right? Nope. No one called. So Tracy’s father, Tony, wrote a check for $100,500 to Dale Coyne, who gave Paul a ride at Long Beach in 1991. Maybe someone would notice.
>"The race started, and I was holding my own,” Tracy recalls. “Then the engine overheated, puking after not very many laps. I’m fuckin’ done. I climbed out, practically crying, and just sat on a curb. All our money was gone. I’m thinkin’, ‘Well, I could go into my dad’s painting business.’ And then this guy in a Penske uniform walks past. He turns around and says, ‘Are you Paul?’ I go, ‘Yeah.’ He says, ‘After the race, Roger wants to talk to you in his motorhome.’ And now, I’m like, I must’ve blocked [Rick] Mears or [Emerson] Fittipaldi, or something, and Roger Penske—who I’ve never met—is gonna chew my ass out. Goodbye career.
>"So I go to the big Penske trailer—I’m practically shitting myself—and there’s Roger. He just calmly says, ‘Paul, what is your plan?’ And I said, ‘Plan? My frickin’ plan just went up in smoke right here.’ Then Roger says, ‘Go back to Toronto. Don’t run any more races. Hold tight. I’ll call you in May.’ Then he adds, ‘And don’t tell anybody I talked to you.’ ”

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>Tracy’s only hope [in the IRL] was to snag a few one-offs, including a drive in an A.J. Foyt car at Milwaukee. “That thing was so bad that A.J. called his engineer over and said, ‘Son, I’d like to smash this computer over your head.’” Tracy also ran five races for KV Racing Technology, including the Indy 500, where he finished ninth.

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Said to a lady at Dunkin' Donuts "On a scale of 1 to America, how free are you tonight ?" t. Conor Daly

Also, have Bourdais livery.

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>>76920985
>>76924564
>>76924784

Marshall Pruett did a podcast with Paul Tracy last year that covered a lot of this stuff:

>https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-kbucg-5f75ef

>>76925785
Pretty incredible.
You really have to feel for the guy after his ride at Dale Coyne.
That would have basically bankrupted any family paying that much for a ride.
Imagine if Roger hadn't talked to him.

Interesting to hear the differences in pre1995 season contracts offered to Paul Tracy between Bennetton(The reigning F1 WCC's at the end of 1994) and Newmann-Haas racing (the 1993 CART Championship team).
Newmann Haas offered Paul nearly $2,000,000 to drive whereas Bennetton offered only peanuts by comparison and there were shitloads of stipulations.
Sounded like you basically had to sell your soul for a F1 drive back then, and Bennetton were a championship team.

>>76927039
Well, even back then, the difference between what an F1 champion and an IndyCar champion could earn on the side through endorsements and advertisements is huge.

>>76927265
Very true, but it's no wonder Nigel Mansell left F1 to drive CART at the time, the salary was pitiful.
I'm still a bit surprised Senna didn't drive for Roger, obviously it was all a bargaining chip, but there could have been something there.

We wouldn't be talking about Tracy's career then though.

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>>76927742
>>76927265
>>76927039

Don't forget that Williams F1 back then were notoriously stingy with driver salaries, to the point where Aryton Senna took something like a %50 pay cut compared to what he was making at McLaren in 1993 when he signed up to drive for them in 1994.

Also, Benneton were partially under control by Flavio Briatore back then and he was infamous for running a driver management firm like an organized crime "Family"... Though I remember reading that Dario Franchitti ended up in Indycar because McLaren basically gave him the same kind of deal Benneton did with Paul Tracy and after one year Dario opted out to drive Pic Related.

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>there are people who don't like Paul Tracy

Disgusting.

>>76928038
If only Indycar could grow so big again that they were seen as a viable alternative to drivers rather than a secondary choice when the first(generally doesn't, thousands of drivers going for only 20 seats) work out.
Competition in any business is a good thing, helps keep businesses in check.
If CART had continued unabated, I doubt Bernie would have turned F1 into the global check collection service here they alienate their European and South American markets heavily.

>>76928954
Tony George was in league with Bernie to kill CART

oh shit niggers, I just remembered Wind Tunnel w/Dave Despain on the SPEED Channel.
>all those Roben Miller bits

missSPEED.jpg

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I have a couple new pictures of Will Power's Livery on the official Indycar 2018 render.
The thing that makes this render unique is that the creator of this render was actually Chris Beatty, the guy who designed the 2018 aero.
So these images aren't just photoshops, but rather actual textures put to the official render.

They're low resolution, I reached out to Chris for higher resolution images, but he said he cannot do so at this time due to sponsor reasons.
Image dump incoming.

>>76936163
That looks neat,now imagine if it had color instead of fucking silver/grey

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>>76936163
>Release higher resolution because of sponsorship reasons
Correction: he's awaiting a green light from Indycar and the teams involved to allow him to make more.

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>>76936183
I agree.
Penske's liveries haven't been very compelling for a decade+.

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Some of these angles are just great looking.

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>>76936231
Ding dong the pods are gone.

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Still not super thrilled about the frame/light fixture sticking so far out from the rear.
Feels like an invitation for trouble.

>>76936205
>>76936261

Huge RWEP's are ugly af.

That's it.
Thanks lads for keeping /Indy/ around.

If higher resolution pics are released I'll post them here.

>>76936282
Rear wing whats?
>>76936184
Also want to direct your attention the the rear wheel flicks. They have a leading outside edge. Interesting detail I did not catch in the original renders.

>>76936313

end plates

>>76936319
Gotcha.
They don't bother me too bad since they taper inward.
If you've ever seen the Chevy or Honda Aerokits without the rearpods, you find that what we're getting is pretty palatable by comparison.

>>76936356

I just think it ruins the look of the center-mount rear wing.