Are people unironically upset over this? He was asked a question

>Are people unironically upset over this?
Yes, you seem pretty butthurt.

>>76784469
Sure. I'm irritated that talking heads who have never played tennis in their life are making one of the greatest players of all time seem like a villain for answering a question.

>>76784460
SEXISM!
>SEXISM!
SEXISM!
>SEXISM!
SEXISM!
>SEXISM!
SEXISM!
>SEXISM!
SEXISM!
>SEXISM!
SEXISM!
>SEXISM!

Women are just as capable of doing what men are, so she should keep up with #1 or otherwise it's just a sign for how society keeps women down.

>>76784524
>tennis
>sport

>>76784599
>>>/fa/

Tbh I think 700's a little unfair. She still wouldn't make top 200 even in her prime.

>>76784631
Yeah unfair to men's tennis. She wouldn't break top 1000.

Funny thing is that it's never the women who seem to complain about these statements and always the media.

Most of them have male coaches and know they can't do shit against em.

McEnroe proved he's stupid enough to answer such bait question

>>76784614
I'd put tennis in >>>/biz/ personnally. So much CEOs and doctors playing it

>>76784818
I'd put France in Middle East personally. So much muslims and sandniggers living in it.

>>76784830
UMA

>>76784802
He's promoting his book, and to do that he had to step into SJW land. Stupid would have been letting the NPR tumblrina cajole him into agreeing that Serena is the best tennis player ever, including white cis scum males.

>>76784856
>Serena is the best tennis player ever,
But she is

She's been more dominant than any other player, male or female

>>76784879
Except any man could beat her in poloscreaming

>>76784879
So she's the best female tennis player ever. I'm not disagreeing with that. Best tennis player ever? Don't be stupid.

>>76784848
DELICIA

>>76784907
>>76784918
not an argument

it's like saying floyd wasn't the best active boxer 2 years ago just because klitschko or fury would defeat him

"would" is not an argument

>>76784938
I mean, if you were to win the war, the Malvinas "would" be argentinas.

She got destroyed by a heavy smoker and alcoholic world #203 that was going easy on her.

In a competitive match she'd be lucky to beat a top 1000 player

>>76784938
you're saying the best female boxer ever is the best boxer ever because if she has more trophies though, right?

Dumbshit.

>>76785002
yes, but it never happened

>>76784460
Are they unironically upset about this? Tennis is also all about skill and physical. Even at her top, she wouldn't stand a chance

>>76785015
Actually, the Williams brothers actually played against a nobody and got BTFO.

>>76784879

Serena hasn't had to play against any competition even remotely comparable to men's tennis. Any of the Top 8 in men's tennis are good enough to push each other to the limit, making each of their respective wins more impressive. Serena has had no rival at all; the closest is Sharapova, who hasn't beaten Serena since 2004.

You can argue this because Serena is that much better, but that would be disingenuous because anyone who watches women's tennis knows that the average standard is much lower. The fact that Roland Garros was just won by the #43 in women's tennis proves this point.

>>76785058
>>76785028
moving the goals again

you are saying serena is worse just because of external causes such as her opponents

don't let your misogyny blind your judgment, she's objectively the GOAT

>>76785085

nice bait

>>76785058
Or she's just that much better than her rivals?

The same claim was levelled at Federer during his GOAT years when he was duking it out with Hewitt and Roddick as main competition.

>>76785085
GOAT in english means greatest of all time, it doesn't mean winningest of all time. You're making a very stupid mistake.

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>>76785085
>Trying this hard

>>76785085
>Another event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[34] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager".[35][36] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[37] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.[38] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun".[39] Braasch said the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier, and that men put spin on the ball that the women can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)#1998:_Karsten_Braasch_vs._the_Williams_sisters

>>76785146

Yes but Federer has clearly demonstrated in the following years, even in his older years, that he could beat some excellent players, such as Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. You only need to watch the sport to see the level these guys play at, which is the point I just made about Serena: if you have eyeballs, you can see that there aren't any women who can replicate success in the sport beyond her.

>>76785164
Serena Williams was 16 years old in 1998

What are you trying to "prove"?

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>>76784460
Spaniards in Twitter are saying she could beat Federer

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Williams versus Djokovic now, i want to laugh

>>76785192
I doubt she'd have much of a chance against even while his knee was injured.

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>>76785164
>In December 2003, Yannick Noah and Justine Henin played a friendly match at the Forest National in Brussels. Noah donned a dress for much of the match. He played predominantly trick shots and slices, but still ended up winning 4–6, 6–4, 7–6.

>>76784879
>she

>>76784460
>gets paid the same as men
>clearly far inferior to men
>draw half the viewers as men
>play 60% as much
>someone makes an off the wall comment
>sexism is still rampant to these people

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>>76785192
kek

>>76785274
>clearly far inferior
that's just like your opinion

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>>76785216
that might actually be close since he fell for that guru

>>76785300
It's a biological reality.
Any physical sport you can imagine, men play on a higher level.
Testosterone is a hell of a hormone.

Funnily enough, even in non physical sports, like chess, men command all dominant titles. This is likely due to biological aptitude rather than societal factors.
There's actually women's only chess, despite normal chess not being segregated.

>>76785181
You act like it should be dismissed that she was 16. She managed to win the US Open the next year at 17.

>https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tennis/mcenroe-vs-serena-44-years-after-battle-of-the-sexes-the-same-dumb-debate/2017/06/26/d8dcd164-5a85-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_jenkins-330pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

WaPo is triggered.

>>76784460
She wouldn't get close to 700. She would injure herself after a couple of tourneys and drop out.

>>76785181
Fed was 19 when he beated Sampras, the best female lost to the 203rd when she was 16, the levels are clearly different

>>76784802
No, that's a standard question at NPR

>>76784879
I'm 185-0 against my retarded one-armed cousin. Guess I'm the GOAT now since we aren't taking quality of competition into consideration

>>76785216
It honestly boggles my mind that a huge ripped physical specimen like Serena Williams wouldn't be able to beat lanklets like Murray

umm, where is /ten/ ?

I'm not really into tennis but is the disparity really that great?

>>76785885
>is the disparity of men against women in sports (tennis is not a sport though) this great?
Yes, yes it is.

>>76785885
Very much so

Especially in terms of consistency.

>>76785885

Yes, what sport doesn't have the same disparity?

>>76784879
Wrong. Margaret Court still has more slams

Antifa argie BTFO

>>76784460
>>76784460
Battle of the Sexes. Bobby Riggs defeated Margaret Court in 1972 in two sets.

Four months later, Bille Jean King defeated Bobby Riggs in straight sets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)

They made a movie about it starring Emma Stone and Steve Carell. It comes out later this year.

How does this related to Serena? She's destroy anyone. McEnroe hasn't been relevant since the Reagan Administration.

tl;dr He cannot be serious.

>Channel Nine journalist and 3AW host Tony Jones took things a step further, saying he feels Serena could beat one player in particular on the men’s circuit — Australian Nick Krygios.

>“I agree with him on one point — I think she would beat Nick Krygios,” Jones told 3AW.

>"I say that because she has a power game, there’s no doubt about that.

>“But he touched on something that is more important, especially when you’re playing something like Nick Kyrgios whose brittle above the shoulders — it’s a mind game as well.

>“Her mental strength alone would see her get the better of someone like Nick Krygios — I’d back her in.”
We should have another battle of the sexes to see Monkyrgios get BTFO

>>76784460
wtf i like serena now

>>76785967
this post shows that this argument has been around forever, even in a meaningless, dumbass sport like tennis.

people had the same argument pre-internet, Bobby Riggs was a known misogynist and asshole, Billie Jean King shut him the fuck down.

The men and women's game is different, but there is no male who has been as dominant in his sport (except maybe Jordan) as Serena is in hers.

To say "oh she's just a female" doesn't have any bearing on it, you're just saying you don't like women.

>>76785967
Billie Jean cheated. The entire affair was one big orchestrated propaganda campaign.

Headline is misleading itself

It seems as if he just randomly said this to be mean

The SJW interviewer asked him "why do you qualify it as best FEMALE tennis player, not just best tennis player?" and that was his response

THIS ISNT A PUBLICITY STUNT

THE INTERVIEWER LITERALLY ASKED HIM WHY SHE IS ONLY THE BEST FEMALE BUT NOT OVERALL PLAYER

>>76785967
Riggs was ancient by the time he took that match.

>>76785967
He tanked it though and he had a famous gambling problem

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based Johnny MacEnroe

>>76785085

>Pulling the mysoggyknee card
Just reddit things tee-hee

>>76784740
Ok lets not get carried away

>>76785085
This. Fucking virginlosers

>>76784879
Unironically this. Its like saying mayweather isnt the goat even though hed get KOd by a heavyweight

>>76786316

>mayweather
>GOAT

lmao

>>76784818
It's more like a game than a sport, like baseball

>>76785274
>draws half the viewers
Stop

The only people that think a woman could hang with a man probably never played any sports.

>>76786345
Tell me someone else whos 50-0 and has a belt in 5 classes?

>>76785924
Idk I just don't take tennis as a sport dominated by physicality.

>>76786513

>hand-picked tomatocan fights
>run for 12 rounds
>being this much of a casual "Fight Finder" faggot

kys my man

>>76785245
Absolutely based
He was fucking old at this point to boot

>>76784460
It's literally a fact that the 400th best men's player in the world comfortably beat Venus and Serena Williams in the same day while drinking beer in between sets. The Williams sisters are terrific athletes, two of the best female tennis players ever. But they're still women.

Idk why this is so hard for women to accept. Like if you look at other sports, the US's 14-year old boys soccer team beat the adult womens team 8 to 0. The US women's hockey team trains by playing against high school boys and they usually lose. I'm sure there are similar examples from other countries, but I'm only going by what I've seen in the news here.

did they ever settle the equal pay/prize money debate?

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>Someone unironically believes this

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>>76785192
She wouldn't win a point against Federer

Plus if Federer went godmode in front of her she'd become so demoralised she'd hang up her racket

>>76787165
>implying Federer wouldn't hit 50% of his shots into the net as usual

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Battle of the Sexes IV?

>>76787178
That was 2013 - 2016 Fed desu

>>76785015
So what you are saying is Pele is the GOAT? Or maybe some other amateur that scored 5000 against literally whos?

>>76785924
The gap in meme sports like Archery, Darts and Snooker is probably smaller (but still exists).
Equestrian perhaps?

>>76787165
>Demoralised
>When she makes the same money as him
It would be federer who'd get demoralised

>>76785939
Court played during a time with far less competition that Williams has. She's a national treasure here (barring her "kill all the gays" agenda), but anyone who actively follows tennis knows Williams is all round a better player.
>>76785995

>We should have another battle of the sexes to see Monkyrgios get BTFO
I'd watch that. But I doubt Krygios (or any male star) would take that game lightly. Nobody wants to be beaten by a girl.

>>76787203
Well, she should clearly play the world number 500 now.

>>76787254
Federer's got so much fucking money I doubt he gives a fuck any more

>>76787254
Women make less than men except at the 4 Majors.

>>76787350
still make a shit load
http://www.totalsportek.com/tennis/atp-career-prize-money-leaders/

>>76785519
>>>76785519
that comment section

>>76784879
That woman in a wheelchair went undefeated her whole career in wheelchair tennis

>>76785181
It was literally them trying to prove this. They gloated they could beat man ranked 200+, and they couldn't.

Not to mention Braasch was an absolutely shite tennis player. The dude literally made waffles during breaks as he beat them both.

>>76787203
I like this reply. It's vague enough so that she doesn't have to commit to saying he's wrong while still affording him the old cranky legend respect he earned from his years as a pro. Very diplomatic.

>>76784460
How good was Mac in his prime? There's a movie coming out soon with Shia playing him.

>>76784460
its 2017, you cant say anything about women or non whites

we are all equal, some are just more equal

dems 2020

>>76784460
Why did she even bring her baby into it? kek

>>76786690
What is based about wearing drag and barely beating a girl?

>>76786638
The irony of you calling me a casual made me lol. Thanks i needed that its been a stressful weekend

instead of combing the interwebs to find comments to get up in arms about, why don't sjws use the power of their mass joblessness to force tennis to make an annual tournament with the top 32 or whatever ranked from both genders (fuck off trannies)

>>76785192
Spaniards also rate Nadal outside clay.

>>76784938

You clearly don't know tennis. Her competition is inferior, and she has horrible deficiencies in her game. Volleys suck, forehand is erratic. Her greatness comes from her physical superiority. And yet you don't want to judge her against the men.

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>>76784524
>John McEnroe
>Talking Head

>>76786269

There's nothing wrong with what he said. The vast majority of D1 NCAA players would destroy her. A few in D2 and D3. The top boys juniors would smack her. Every player on the ATP would destroy her.

1000 isn't a stretch.

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>>76785786
Yeah I wonder why she wouldn't be able to beat men smaller than her.

>>76784879
She lost to a guy who's warm up consisted of beer and cigarettes. He also played her sister after that and defeated her.

>>76789613
D3?
http://www.ncaa.com/video/tennis-men/2016-05-26/diii-tennis-individual-mens-womens-singles-doubles-early-round-recap
calm down man, I know at least 10 amateurs at my small tennis club who beat those guys

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>>76784938

> being the best doesn't mean you're actually the best

why don't we have more Battle of the Sexes? when was the last time we had one?

would love to see both sides put up

>>76784818
Biz is full of cryptotrading neets these days.

Reminder that Serena Williams herself has said she wouldn't win a single point playing against Andy Murray so any player who can win a point against him is automatically better than her

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I hate the current far left and far right
I feel like I don't belong in this world

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>>76787448
Esther Vergeer,


She was so dominant it's hilarious.

>From 31 March 2001 until her retirement in 2013, Vergeer lost only one singles match (on 30 January 2003 at the Sydney International to Daniela Di Toro from Australia), winning 559 of her last 560 matches. Between August 2004 and October 2006 she even won 250 consecutive sets, only one of which ended with a tiebreaker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Vergeer

>>76785336
/thread.

Name me 3 sports where the women are better than men.

How hilarious would it be if he did play against her and won ?

>>76784938
It's more like impkying Ronda Rousy would be able to beat any trained boxer/MMA fighter.

>>76786316
It's not like saying that because Mayweather is objectively superior at most aspects of boxing than any modern heavyweight even if he couldn't beat them head-to-head, whereas a female competitor will always be inferior in every way to her male counterparts

>>76786316
To be honest boxing weight classes are snowflake cathegories so even manlets could participate. It's on par with creating a separate NBA for manlets.

>>76785336
Men inherently have much higher spatial awareness than women. Even very intelligent women have trouble with shape matching tests that are simple for the average man

>>76785336
>>76795067
>Funnily enough, even in non physical sports men command all dominant titles
>Men inherently have much higher spatial awareness than women
Darts is a great example of this. You look at the scores the men and women hit and the men get massively better results

Reminded that the Williams Sisters actively avoid USADA and constantly dodge all anti doping testing even to the point of calling the police on testing agents.

>>76784460
What a fascinating (((story))).

If women tennis players are so great let them compete on the men's tour instead of whining about equal pay while only playing 60% of a full match.

Serena Williams can't beat her male hitting partner who couldn't make a Division II college team.

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>some literal who guy becomes a tranny
>cuts his cock and balls off
>loads his body with female hormones
>has literally less testosterone in his body than a real woman
>goes against actual female pro fighters
>6-1 record
Women are so fucking dogshit at sports that even a castrated man with tits can beat them.

>>76784460
Fucking racist.

>>76784460
The interviewer was in the wrong for asking such a dumb bait question. Every rational person understands than men are significantly superior to women in sports. It's really not something that even needs to be talked about, given that men and women compete in separate leagues. McEnroe should have laughed the question off.

>>76794871
Centrists are going to take over once people realize that obsessing over politics 24/7 is cancerous. Hopefully Dems smarten up and run a gun friendly borderline Republican like Jim Webb in 2020.

Why you stupid men always have to put down women to make yourself look better? Who cares if she would be number 7000. She's not playing men

>>76794871

We live in a time where we are still getting to grips with the internet and the new phenomenon of social media. At the moment these platforms tend to accentuate extreme voices because they are the most controversial and vociferous, making their views seem far more mainstream than is actually the case.

The vast majority of people are like you.

>>76785249
underrated

I can't wait for PC culture to start getting people killed. Politics in general has turned into Giants vs Dodgers, and eventually somebody's going to get stabbed in the parking lot.

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>>76784460
>Even "e-sports" where there is no need for any physical exertion woman have their own tournaments and never compete with men

>>76795111
only at grand slams and they don't even whine, it's only media

>>76787203
WILL SHE PUT HER MONEY WHERE HER MOUTH IS?

>>76787650
It's a pussy ass response though because she's pregnant and who knows what the after effects of her pregnancy will be on her future performance, so she'll always be able to hide behind those excuses if she's ever asked to have a match with a man.

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>>76794871

>>76787067
>Mayonnaise misogyny

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>she doesn't have a golden slam

best my ass

>>76786530
>Idk I just don't take tennis as a sport dominated by physicality.

That's pretty ridiculous desu.

>>76789594
He's referring to McEnroe being made into a villain retard

>>76784938
But Serena already lost to a low ranked man. She boasted she could beat any man outside of the TOP TWO HUNDRED and couldn't even do that.

>>76793372
Djokovic vs Li Na in 2013 was the most recent one, it was an exhibition where Djoko upped the comedy to 11, even swapping places with a ball boy at some point. Li Na won in three sets.

>>76793372
They should just make a tournament out of it.

>>76794871
>a qt giantess will never bully you

>>76786988
exactly, 100% this

Im really not that much of a womanhater, am all for equal rights and opportunities and whatnot, but I dont know how you can dispute the fact that men are just better athletically in every single aspect. Male tennis players hit the ball harder and run faster, its hard to compete with that if you dont have those baseline athletic abilities.

Kind of ironically though I find women's tennis way more entertaining to watch, and not just for the ass, there's way better rallies and more strategy I think. Men's tennis kind of all revolves around the serve which I think is kind of horse shit. Like, Raonic is able to get top 10 in the world pretty much exclusively because he has one of the greatest serves of all time

>>76785151
Been on /sp/ for a year or so now, and 4chan for many years before. Thank you for teaching me that which I never cared enough to research: the meaning of 'GOAT'.

He's not wrong

She only plays with power, she has zero finesse. Everyone on the men's tour is, at the very least, just as strong as Serena, so they require more in the way of actual skill.

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>>76796178

McEnroe is working an angle ya marks, trying to get her to do a Battle of the Sexes

>>76784460
what kind of camera is able to capture the individual stray hairs on a tennis ball mid-flight like that? Serena looks like a bridge troll, but fuck thats an impressive picture

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>>76784802
>>76784802
>>76784802
>>76784802
>>76784802

This a million times

>>76796975
The pisstake ones don't really count though. Charity match

>>76797730
What was he supposed to do? Just agree? Call the person out on it being a bullshit question and never be able to use those media contacts again?

>>76797730
he's literally doubled down and said that he thinks men and women should play each other to settle the debate

I dont think mcenroe gives two fucks about whether he's been baited or not

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>>76797751

Bullshit questions deserve bullshit answers.

You have to sidestep it with a 5 minute answer that essentially says nothing.

>>76797775

Wew he really wants those clicks then

>>76797796
As that leaf said McEnroe just cut through the bullshit and gave a good answer, that is truthful. Serena can either put her money where her mouth is or fuck off

>>76797796
Nothing that he said was inaccurate. You cant be the best in the world at something if you can be easily beaten by hundreds/thousands of people.

>>76797816
>>76797831

I mean I don't disagree, but in this day and age saying something like that is just bad press

>>76797840
he's like 60 years old, worth about $50 mil and he's doing play by play for fucking tennis tournaments, why would he give a fuck about bad press? At this point what is hurting his "brand" going to do to him financially? He already has a reputation for being an extremely talented dickhead, it just came across to me as mcenroe being mcenroe

>>76797840
So what? He's already rich, he didn't go full no-no and call her a nigger or anything to derail his announcing career, and he's too old for her to challenge him herself. Anyone who knows anything about sports (women included, and I've seen it with my mom and sisters) agrees with him too.

She's admitted herself

>Four years ago, Williams spoke with David Letterman about the possibility of playing an exhibition match against Andy Murray.

>"For me, men's tennis and women's tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports," Williams said. "If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it's true. It's a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it's just a different game. I love to play women's tennis. I only want to play girls, because I don't want to be embarrassed."

>>76787203
Please John,

Kill this bitch and end her career.

>>76794994
John McEnroe close to his sixties would still beat Serena, six ways into Sunday

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McEnroe is a national treasure

So what are the talking heads saying about this? I'm gonna guess they're siding with the strong black woman

>>76795861
Don't fuck with us esse

>>76795045
this. boxing, like horse racing, is so linked to gambling that parity is enforced in order to create as many opportunities for people to wager as they can.
Also, Floyd Mayweather almost certainly could still beat any female boxer, so don't go there.

>>76795097
>Being competitive involves looking for any edge possibly and it's in the best interest of sporting organizations to not lose their cash cows
Wow, tell me something I don't know.

>>76785924
shooting sans trap/skeet I guess

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>>76797682

>>76795138
>lost once

Pathetic

>>76784460

I'm listening to one of the interviews right now. Holy shit these liberal commentators are fucking pathetic.

>>76797682
you think she finna breast feed the baby

>>76797682
i love dat mole on her shoulder

>>76784818
i'd put it in /lesbiz/ desu
it's full of dykes and kikes

>>76787248
>Snooker

Has no gender parity whatsoever. Professionals practice over 10 hours a day, there is no money in the women's game to support that lifestyle.

>>76787248
>>76785924
I never understood why Equestrian has a gender gap with men being better. If anything shouldn't women be better since being small/light is an advantage? Why are all the best jockeys women?

>>76785967
this has to be a troll account. Riggs was retired and goofing around.

Serena (and her sister) ALREADY lost to Kaarsten Braasch when he was ranked 203, a couple weeks later he fell outside the top 300. And he crushed them like 6-1 while smoking in between matches. After the match, Braasch said they wouldn't beat anybody in the top 500. Maybe they should make a movie about that instead of the meme match against Riggs