what went right

>>76761125
Florentino

>>76761125
mourinho

>>76761125
Nothing at all. They are the hell in a corrupt show. They have been forced to relevance so that Barça didn't get to win everything ten years in a row

>>76763702
heel*

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>>76761125
TSUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>76761125
Florengod

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>>76761125
grandpa Franco

>>76761125
buying literal whos to feed tsu

Luck, I'm not kidding
Real Madrid results are always based on luck
For example, Florentino would've fired Zidane if the other team scored just one goal in several matches

>>76764274
t. Florentino expert

>>76763842


Franco destroyed real madrid by tagging half their players as "commies", forcing them into exile.

Franco helped Barcelona get Kubala, he also helped him getting the spanish citizenship

Franco ended Barcelona bankrupt debt in 1965

Barcelona gave Franco 2 medals for all his help to the club

Barcelona won 9 "generalísimo" cups whila madrid won 6
at least google before speaking shit stupid spaguetti

Money

/thread

If the tax scandal with Ronaldo would've appeared on the news two months ago Madrid wouldn't have won shit this year
Real Madrid always wins because tempos
If Ramos wouldn't have scored on the last minute of the champions against atletico Zidane would've been fired and Madrid wouldn't have one the other two champions
Luck and time
Always

>>76761125
Franco and fascism

>>76764355
>Franco spoke catalan in their intimacy
>Franco was a catalan nationalist
>Franco wanted Barcelona as the capital of Spain
>Franco wanted only catalonia and basque country to be industrial
This is what PPeros believe

Money
Refball
Florentino
SUUUUUUUAAAAIIM
Great market with araps and gooks

>>76761576
Three successive tacticians who built upon their predecessors work

>>76764387
>They are the most laureated club in whole world because luck
Sure thing buddy

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>>76764387
>If Ramos wouldn't have scored on the last minute of the champions against atletico Zidane would've been fired

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They rated Zidane

>>76764499
kek

>>76764480
>the team than wins more is not the luckiest
you must be a libertarian

>>76764444
Hurry durr.
FCB gave Franco 2 golden medals and afterwards they bleached its history. Just check the facts Joan, I know Its hard but It is worse to live as a manipulated drone.

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>>76764444


>This is what PPeros believe

this is what people know because facts are facts and not even your quads can change facs.
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2007/09/22/mas_futbol/1190442414_850215.html

http://www.diariogol.com/es/notices/2016/03/las-ayudas-de-franco-al-barcelona-59888.php

https://curiosidadesdelfutbol.wordpress.com/2012/03/30/el-barca-y-franco-80/

https://okdiario.com/deportes/futbol/2016/03/29/las-cinco-ayudas-de-franco-que-ocultan-en-barcelona-97692
>inb4 "it's a Tito Flo conspiracy"!!!!!!!!!!!

>>76764699
>People respected the dictator in a military dictatorship that still were killing people even after the war ended
>That means people loved him
Jesus

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>>76764699
>okdiario

>>76764751

awarding a club medal is more than "respect" for a dictator, helping personally a foreigner player getting the citizenship in more than "respect" for a dictator, having more than 230 millions pardoned by Franco is is more than "respect" for a dictator.

cry all you want but you had Franco 2 inch dick deep down on your throat.

>>76764784

puedes buscar la noticia y encontraras decenas de diarios, blogs o lo que quieras mirar con el mismo tipo de información firmado por otros profesionales, no me vengas con tonterías ahora.

>>76764355
why did Di Stefano play for Real Madrid instead of Barcelona?

>>76764699
>okdiario

>>76764444
"Mourinhista y politicamente incorrecto" as twitter bio.png

>>76764444

Franco didn't necessarily hate the other spanish teams, he just had a few instances against barcelona, but the truth is a dictator has more important shit to do than meddle with sports.

>>76765017
>ad hominem as only single counterargument
Sad!

>Madrid presidents killed by catalans/barça fans = 0
>Barça presidents killed by Franco rebels = 1
You can't change history

>>76765137
nice dogde m8

Does it hurt people from Barcelona that their fag on here is Spanish and not Catalan?

Pperos are so cuckservative now they even larp as democrats and antifascists and acuse others of being "nationalists" and "nazis". Sad.

>>76765017

>why did Di Stefano play for Real Madrid instead of Barcelona?


you can google for the answer, why ask something that is public knowledge.

>>76765261
ye catalans were too busy raping then killing nuns to get shit done like that. only political movement on earth that could make franco look like a reasonable alternative.

>>76765287
Dodge what, you didnt even give a single argument.
Di stefano went to Madrid because Barça didnt want to wait two years.

>>76765319
No because those colors came from the aragon crown
It would hurt if the flag was that of castille but not spain
Catalonia is in the iberian peninsula, hispania as it was known by romans
Historically catalans didn't have a problem being spanish cause spain didn't only mean castille
For centuries, the spanish kingdom treated spain not as one nation or country but a federation of diferent spains (españas)
This of course was changed because castillian autism and even though spain lost all american colonies, the same illness continues, now threateting with even more loses

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>>76765326

¡¡¡¡heil papi franco!!!!

if you could erase history but you can't....

>>76765261
Nobody wants to change that, but
A) Suñol wasnt killed for being related with FCB
B) That doesnt make RM favoured by Franco

>>76764960
t. Sergiolini ramosini

>>76765395
>>76765346
>buy Di Stefano from it's legit club
>rfef still sends him to Real Madrid because of a deal with an illegal club

perfectly fine for me lads

>>76765388
Bullshit of the highest order
Those weren't "catalans"
Those were commies, internationalists or foreigners
The spanish republic wasn't commie or catalan and catalans were more conservative and christian than the average spanish region
But after the coup d'etat the western nations refused to help the republic and because only the USSR sent aid the commies gained political advantage as they were the only ones with guns
Don't speak if you don't have any idea
My family was republican and catalan and helped nuns to hide from the foreign commies wich even burned alive some of our members
So please, shut the fuck up

>>76765444
>a team won a competition in wich it participate
your point being?

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>>76765560
>catalans were more conservative and christian than the average spanish region
No they weren't. They were the most left winged in fact

>>76765531

don't bullshit anyone specially when you can read it, he was sent to play the same amount of games with real and barcelona, barcelona refused, he then played like shit for Madrid and Barcelona thought he wasn't worth it and withdraw their offer thinking that he was a waste of money.

He finally adapted and he got good eventually, tough luck, suits Barcelona for being such faggots.

>>76765709
>republican means left wing
grow up pal

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>>76761125
Selling this man.

>3 Champions League trophies since selling Ozil 4 years ago

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>overthrow republic because muh king
>puts himself as president of a republic
autism

USA #1 best global empire the world has ever known. Fuck spics make me burito andaley

>>76765822
no no no, it was Higuain

>>76765821
>frente popular
>not left wing

>>76765927
usa will be the shortest global empire ever

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>>76765821
>grow up pal
Those are the general elections of 1936 you fucking autist.Red means popular front.This map shows the results of 1933.As you can see Catalonia was one of the most left leaning regions in the entire country at the time.Before acting cocky and telling me to grow up you should open a book.It my cure your mental retardation

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>>76765822

that's a really nice work

<=== left - madrid's wax museum, right - london wax museum.

>>76766015
>my
might

>>76761125
Hey Spanish bros'. Grandparents were from Madrid and going to a handful of RM matches this year. Already booked flight tickets. What are the odds of getting a crappy game around the end of Novemeber? Do you think any CL matches will be in town?

>>76765793
gee, what a fucking consolation prize, getting a player and only getting to use him half the time while your rival can as well. how generous.

>>76766015
Perhaps because the last "righ wing" dictator baned catalan you dumb retard?

>>76766118

real mad got the same deal, don't blame them for it.

>>76766015
>derecha
>izquierda
>centro
ahahahahahahaha
what are you 15?

>>76765560
nigger, you were the commies and internationalists. you invited the USSR. you formed leftist battalions, you executed random people for being christian like the 40's equivalent of ISIS jawas
then you have the audacity to claim you were the christian ones and it's the international community's fault your cousins ran around acting like africans
and you wonder why franco was the one axis power the allies left standing

>>76766194
30s not 40s reee

>>76766015
>le right and the left
lmao

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>>76766194

there is a reason they executed the christians...

>>76766167

did real even buy him to begin with? Barca originally bought him before then being forced to share.

>>76766194
>executed random people for being christian
not really
>invited the USSR
lel
>>76766194
>and you wonder why franco was the one axis power the allies left standing
that's because franco was a traitor and didn't want to invade gibraltar so he didn't enter in the war and the commies were already set to invade korea, japan and the whole germany so the USA switched enemies
you don't know shit again

>>76766158
So catalans voted left wing in 2 elections in a row because of Primo de Rivera,who was supported mainly by the Catalan bourgeoisie? Yeah sure thing.Catalonia with Madrid and Valencia were the centers of leftism back then.
>>76766183
>ahahahahahahaha
>Dude lmao I am so edgy
You are a retard

>>76766258
implying catalonia controls the borders
implying there are no muslims in valencia or madrid
lol

>>76766219
>Catalonia was right wing guys
>lmao right and left didn't exist XD

>>76766275
>because of Primo de Rivera,who was supported mainly by the Catalan bourgeoisie?
now catalans are right wing
ok pal
come back when you have your head in order

>>76766290
The generalitat has the right to give VISAS.They gave most of them to Pakistan and Morocco.Catalonia has 40% of the muslim population of Spain

>>76766262

his rights were split between two teams IIRC, barça paid for one, real paid the other one... shitfest assured and as the other ASSpanish fag posted, barça withdraw their offer.

is there any answer besides money?

>>76766258
>he believes sikhs are muslim
such knowledge
>>76766293
not as what peole understand

>>76766272
>republicans actually didn't execute any catholics
>we also didn't actively accept russian help in exchange for being politically subservient to them
>franco wasn't enough of a nationalist for my republican tastes and that's why he was the one openly fascist dictator the allies were completely comfortable with
>we dindu nuffin
>y'all don't know me
>we wuz the real christians

jesus christ, this is like hearing a Polish person describe the timeline of ww2 based on what they hear in school. you people are actually fucking deluded.

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>>76766290

>offering muslishits VISAS if they vote for "muh independency".
>offering muslishits the second biggest mosque in europe if they vote for "muh independency".

>>76766314
the generalitat is the goberment of a nation that's half andalucian
we wouldn't have them if the descendants of murcians andalusians and extremeños didn't vote socialists every fucking election
catalonia is an ocupied country and the catalans are a minority in it

>>76766194
All in favor for gassing Catalonia say Aye.

Aye.

>>76766312
>now catalans are right wing
The Catalan bourgeoisie supported Primo de Rivera.Why don't you open a history book? Bourgeoisie=/=general public

>>76766385
alerta digital lies
madrid is the one with the mosques

>>76766379
republicans didn't
catalans didn't
commies and anarchist did
that's what I'm telling you fucking leaf

>league titles before civil war
Athletic Bilbao: 4
Real Madrid: 2
Barcelona: 1
Betis: 1

>league titles during Franquism
Real Madrid: 14
Barcelona: 8 (5 of them before 1953)
Atletico: 7
Valencia: 4
Athletic: 2
Sevilla: 1

>league titles after Franquism
Real Madrid: 17 (including 4 out of the 5 years after Franco's death)
Barcelona: 15 (first in 1985)
Atletico: 3
Athletic: 2
Valencia: 2
Real Sociedad: 2
Deportivo: 1

>>76766339

>he believes sikhs are muslim

I don't but it's just part of random google images, every illegal in catalonia was there because of

>>76766385

>>76766386
Socilists just ruled in Catalonia during the tripartito.CiU has been ruling for the most part and was the one responsible of giving the VISAS.CiU is mostly voted in the more Catalan provinces like Girona or Lleida

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>>76761125
>what went right

Winning culture. Bigger than life. Surviving communism and fascism and using both to its advantage. Surviving even the modern variations of communism. Installing corporate fascism and making every player a proud Madridista. Zidane. Marketing. Luck. Trophies. Atmosphere.

You Pakilona customers wouldn't get it.

>>76766408
>unironically treating the bourgeoisie as one single grop
marxists truly won the cultural war

>>76766439

you forget generalisimo cups which were the todays spanish cup.

madrid 6
barcelona 9

>>76766453
socialist have ruled barcelona since the 70's infecting all the nation with leftist bullshit and CIU turned leftist to gain votes
votes from the sons of the spanish migrants that always vote left no matter what
it's not a catalan problem

>>76766433
so the entire moral defense of republicanism is the same argument muslims use to defend syrian rebels when people point out that they are scum
fantastic
this is why you lost the war

>>76766379
catholics made crusades against christian catalonia
catholics are a pest

>>76766497
>muh cup
it meant nothing, the league was the one giving spot for the european cup

>>76766530
>lost the war
no, shit, the other side was the fucking army retard

It's sad to see people reducing historic, economic, demographic and cultural struggles into the stupid right wing/left wing fascist/commie divisions

>>76766572
okay then, let me rephrase that: this is why nobody in the international community besides the jews running the USSR saw you as allies and felt the need to defend you

>>76766515
The major of Barcelona has little control on the VISA policy.CiU on the other hand keeps giving VISAS to Pakis.You are deluded.Catalonia was always a beacon of the left.Olivares should have killed every single one of you

>>76766545

catacuck jews are the pest rats here Jordi, hang yousefl before a paki rape your family next friday

>>76765822
Wow. The doll looks so real. Wish I had one.

>>76766608
it was because they didn't want another commie state and this time in western europe and with influence on latin america
they also didn't want to angry Hitler

>>76766611
>Olivares should have killed every single one of you
then you wonder why some people want to be independt
castillan autism won't stop until the whole spain is on fire

>>76766608
no, they just wanted to get rid of any economic competition
thanks to the war and franco spain was nobody until the 60's

>>76766631
but anon most jews were in castille
if anything you are the jews

>>76766611
>olivares
the dude that started the downfall of spain
lmao

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>>76766649
>then you wonder why some people want to be independt
>castillan autism won't stop until the whole spain is on fire
You doomed the empire.You deserve nothing but death.Dios bendiga a Don Gaspar de Guzmán y Pimentel Ribera y Velasco de Tovar y su unión de armas

>>76766385
>>76766258
you can see the same images with the spanish flag

>>76766712
>the dude that started the downfall of spain
>It is Olivares fault that Catalans were jewish cunts that didn't want to contribute anything
God when Don Juan freed Catalonia he should have killed every single Catalan numale and command his army to rape all your whores to create real man and not numalish passive agressive cunts

I can't wait for Spain to finally break apart desu

>>76766713
No, olivares did
>the empire
but the union de armas was for the small retarded german and dutch provinces, not for america
>union de armas
explain why the people of the crown of aragon had to combat for castille when they weren't allowed to comerce with america

>>76766559
It was the only throphy Franco cared about.
And that was your point.
I am joking you have no point, just complex, excuses and historic manipulation/memes

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Basque Country vs Catalonia.
Which one you hate the most, Spaniard?

>>76766751
>didn't want to contribute anything
perhaps because they didn't had the same rights to comerce with america????????

>>76766773
>break apart
This is only our daily banter kid

>>76766785
>but the union de armas was for the small retarded german and dutch provinces, not for america
It was economical as well.And those dutch provinces were the main source of piracy
>>union de armas
>explain why the people of the crown of aragon had to combat for castille when they weren't allowed to comerce with america
They could trade with America via Castile as America was part of Castile.Stop memeing.You were useless and he tried to fix that but you chose to be useless and trecherous rats.Don Juan should have exterminated all numales from Pakilonia

>>76766796
>feeling hatred against your own country
I am happy with both

>>76766796
Spaniards (castillans) hate catalonia the most despite basques paying less taxes and killing 800 spanish people because basques don't care about their language becoming extinct and love bulls so people in castille see them as a pet and not an enemy or a competitor

>>76766811
>perhaps because they didn't had the same rights to comerce with america????????
America was Castilian clay.Idon't know how is that hard to understand.Naples was conquered by Castillian troops and no one bitched about it.As I sais you are only rats and numales

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>barça is bankrupt?
>over 200 million debt???

>say no more....

Am I the only one that actually preferred Mourinho's team over zidane's?

>>76766844
but the portuguese started the rebellion first dumbass and histroy shows catalans were right to wanted to become independent at that moment seeing how when castille had the total power with the bourbons we got fucked

>>76766865
Basques are Castilians and they are not treacherous masonic numalish rats

>>76766796
but I love them :)

>>76766816
until it becomes real again, as it's becoming

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>>76766884

>thanks papi Franco!!!!

>>76766895
>Basques are Castilians
Wrong

>>76766844
>>76766873
>only some regions have to rights to comerce with those lands but everyone has the duty of paying taxes and diying for defending them
castillan autism strikes again

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>>76766865
>basques don't care about their language becoming extinct

>>76766893
>but the portuguese started the rebellion first dumbass
They are also rats
>>76766893
>and histroy shows catalans were right to wanted to become independent at that moment seeing how when castille had the total power with the bourbons we got fucked
Kek. This fucking delusion.Bourbon reforms kickstarted the Catalonian merchant class and its textile sector.You are an illiterate moron

>>76766895
>Basques are Castilians
spanish education

>Ronaldo is the best player ever
>mentioned once in this thread

t-tsu?

>>76761125
middle eastern oil money

>>76766955
it has devolved into an argument about spanish regionalism

>>76766922
>Wrong
>Fernan Gomez conde de Castilla y señor de Alava y Guipuzcoa
Yes they are
>>76766925
Can you tell me how is that wrong? Castile conquered Naples and no one bitched about its incorporation to the crown of Aragon.America was conquered by Castile and it was Castilian clay by a papal bull

>>76766938
>destroy castles
>ban the language in the oficial papers
>take out the goberment
>take out all universties
>destroy entire neibourhoods
>prevent cities from growing

>Catalonian merchant class
always existed, they just weren't allowed to comerce with america

>textile sector
WOW I really didn't know the bourbouns started the industrial revolution in catalonia in the XVIII century, even before the english
we should be more thankful

>>76766955
Well that what you get when you put catalans into any conversation: Franco, Victimhood and Catalonia is not Spain

>>76766946
>spanish education
>I don't know anything about history the post
Who do you think that repopulated Castile? If you can find Basque names everywhere in Castile is for a reason [spoiler] moron [/spoiler]

>>76766936
they don't, they speak castillan between themselves and allow kids to not learn basque in schools if they don't want
>>76766994
>comparing naples with the whole america
lmao

>>76766994
>murcia was conquered by catalans and didn't enter the aragon crown
your point?

>Catalonia is not Spain
no one said this in this t

>>76767031
Then it's the other way around you berk

>>76766990
/sp/ mods and jannies really are the shittest out of any board i have ever seen

>>76766994
>murcia was conquered by catalans and didn't enter the aragon crown
your point?

>Catalonia is not Spain
no one said this in this thread
and it's the spaniards that don't see catalans as spanish cause if they did they would have no problem in people learning catalan ( a spanish language) and catalan being an european language
but they do have a problem with that
the problem lies with the rest of spain, not catalonia

>>76767003
>>destroy castles
>Rebel against the official goverment for the second time
Yeah you had it coming
>>ban the language in the oficial papers
Yeah as it happened everywhere.
>>take out the goberment
That rebelled twice and was useless
>>take out all universties
False
>>destroy entire neibourhoods
How?
>>prevent cities from growing
False.Catalonia's biggest population growth happened in the XVIII century.As I said you are clueless.Without the Bourbons Catalonia would have remained the backwater shithole that it was during the XVI and XVII century

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this is the only solution and the only way to break from evil Castilla

>>76767034
but they still care and have schools to teach the language, they just mostly uses castilian because non basques and some basques won't understand basque
catalan in the other hand is easily understandable by the rest
the ones who are letting their language die are galicians

>>76767031
>basques are not castillans cause it's castillans the ones that are basques
ok

>>76767073

agree, yesterday I got a warning for posting a girl pic during half time so they do exist.

>>76767034
>comparing naples with the whole america
If Aragon's claims were that.Why would the crown recieve more priviledges than the other kingdoms?
>>76767055
>your point?
Murcia was conquered by Ferdinand the III
>>76767072
No.Basques founded Castile with montañeses.Both are Castillians

>>76767101
Castilians are both Basque and montañeses.Basques are Castilians.It is pretty simple to get isn't it?

>>76767081
>Catalonia's biggest population growth happened in the XVIII century
people had babies because the bourbouns not because technology advanced or people before had the black plague wich killed half the population
no it was because the bourbons
>take out all universties
>False
no it's not false they take them all and then put one in cerbera, a traitourous town
>destroy castles
>Rebel against the official goverment for the second time
>Yeah you had it coming
>ban the language in the oficial papers
>Yeah as it happened everywhere.
>take out the goberment
>That rebelled twice and was useless
at least you don't deny these
there's hope

>>76766955
*does a quick TSUU with the lads*

>>76767160
>people had babies because the bourbouns not because technology advanced or people before had the black plague wich killed half the population
Population elsewhere grew way slowly than in Catalonia.The Bourbon reforms created a huge economic boom in the region
>no it's not false they take them all and then put one in cerbera, a traitourous town
You just admited that there were universities in Catalonia.Also it is Cervera not Cerbera

>>76767125
>If Aragon's claims were that.Why would the crown recieve more priviledges than the other kingdoms?
why wouldn't while castille would monopolize the commerce with america yet somehow own the soldiers and taxes of all the regions?
the union de armas was unfair and destroyed what would've been a great nation
the same retardedness made spain lose the whole america and the illness still continues to this day

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I'm bored of you northererns discusing who pees the farthest

reminder that catalans will be first this autumn but we will be second, soon

>>76767117
>pictures of cocks
left up all day
>attractive woman
insta ban
/sp/ has the most LGBTQ friendly mods on all of 4chan, including the board for gay people

>>76761125
>literally the team of the royalty

>>76767206
maybe because they were allowed to commerce with america wich were baned before but somehow had to pay taxes and send soldiers?
>>76767206
>You just admited that there were universities in Catalonia.Also it is Cervera not Cerbera
ban all of them, put one as a reward for being traitors
that means they were "universities"
dude c'mon

>>76767208
>why wouldn't while castille would monopolize the commerce with america yet somehow own the soldiers and taxes of all the regions?
Castile sent soldiers and money everywhere.I mediterranean piracy died was mostly due Castilian money and sailors which was crucial for Aragonese interests.The whole point of la union de armas was to make all the kingdoms of the monarchy to contribute their fair share of responsability
>the union de armas was unfair and destroyed what would've been a great nation
The union the armas was necesary.And would have cemented Spanish hegemony

>>76767247
>maybe because they were allowed to commerce with america wich were baned before but somehow had to pay taxes and send soldiers?
Olivares plan was to join all the crowns into a single one.Which is basically what the Bourbons did

>>76767219
hey!

>>76767346
>>76767371
the union de armas didn't imply the aragon crown having relations with america

>>76767371
borubons did more than that

>>76767531
The union de armas was the middle step. You should read Olivares' letters and diaries

>>76767600
the middle step should've been the commerce with america then
especially after the castillan troops pillaged all they could in catalonia in route to france

>>76767678
>the middle step should've been the commerce with america then
Aragonese could trade with America but through the casa de contratacion
>especially after the castillan troops pillaged all they could in catalonia in route to france
Because Catalan's chimped out.They deserved way worse

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>>76767728
>be farmer
>have a daughter and son
>have to pay taxes
>at war with france again
>Olivares wants your son to go die for no reason
>Castillian troops eat your crops and farm animals and rape your daughter
>Somehow you deserve this

>>76767960
The corpus was started by farmers.They deserve everything and more

>>76768061
You are retarded

>>76768430
>dude stop treating rats like rats
No

>>76768598
You don't eat then

>>76764387
lel. It was Ancelotti. And he did got fired anyway.

Because of Zidane, and the fact Florentino was a little smarter. Now everyone is buying literally whos for $50> And getting shit results while Madrid is doing the opposite

>>76764444
quads of lie