Nice qualifying """"tournament"""

>>76704568
Yea so what? Concashit sucks but >we are still better than the Asian confederation.

>>76704661
more reasons for playoffs vs euro teams

>>76704568
>3 decent teams getting in
>1 shitty team that will lose in the playoff

Whats wrong with this?

>>76705019
l'd rather see more concacafians and countries like philippines or Thailand at the world cups instead of shitters like Andorra, Armenia, Estonia & Gibraltar.

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>>76705411

If only these teams played against Caribbean teams. It'd be like when Euro teams play powerhouses like Andorra San Marino Lichtenstein Romania Gibraltar Faroe Islands

>>76705473
>letting Memegium score 8 goals on you
git gud fgits

inb4 >7-0 yea at least Chile is a real team in sudamérica unlike Memegium

>>76705521
what futbol federation is that pic from?

Romania wouldnt even qualify to the hex.

>>76704661
Don't be a cuck. Concacaf buttfucked several UEFA teams in the last world cup. We don't have to apologize for anything.

>>76705411
>Andorra, Armenia, Estonia & Gibraltar.
Why do these shit nations even bother to field teams?

>>76704568
>3 teams with big chances of qualifying to the Round of 16 will qualify to the world cup
I fail to see what's wrong with that

>>76705411
when did those 4 you mention get in the world cup

>>76705411
not really the point.

teams like Romania, Serbia, Sweden, Turkey don't get to go to the World Cup becaue absolute trash like Honduras, Australia, Iran and New Zealand are guaranteed places everytime because they come from a weak zone

its ridiculously unfair

>>76707403
europe gets like 13 or 14 spots, more than any other confederation, and you guys still want more spots for yourselves?

it's called world cup so even if teams like Honduras & random asian are low-tier they still have the right to qualify for wc if they win their qualifiers.
there's already the uefa euro if you want to see a pure european Nt tourney.

>>76706439
nah, we're kinda shit. but south america and europe take soccer way more seriously than us. it's only justice.

>>76707505
>you guys still want more spots for yourselves
no.
playoffs between us? yes

>>76707570
Then playoffs between Europe and South America sounds like a good deal

Couple of the smaller carribbean nations should just combine and have one team, same with the teams in the OFC.

Actually, OFC itself should just be thrown in with the AFC, have the Arab League be its own Federation.

>>76706439
Eh, they overachieved for 1 cup but also remember Honduras went 0-3 and wasn't competitive as a fourth team. There shouldn't be 4 teams from our region getting in. 2.5 seems right. Of of memory I think concacaf is 27 wins, 63 losses, and 27 draws all time in the world cup. AFCs worse now though. Uefa really does get screwed and conmebol to a lesser extent.

>>76707671
3.5 is fine for CONCACAF, but if the fourth team wants to qualify they should play against a team from Europe or South America.

>>76706759
Money. Ironically the worst teams in the world hope to draw the best in the qualifiers.

Still a massive waste of everyone else's time though, beating shop workers in San Marino by double figures just disrupts a manager's preparation. A better system would be their own qualifying group and the winner is wildcarded to the proper tournament or something.

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>>76707643
alright then we have a deal

>>76707943
>dat Romanian hand on the right

>>76707671
>Uefa gets screwed
Did you even see the Euros last year? Awful awful quality and half the national teams there were small time bus parking shitters.

>>76708107
there's twice as many teams in the euros

>>76708107
Don't talk like that about England please

>>76707915
>A better system would be their own qualifying group and the winner is wildcarded to the proper tournament or something.
Just like how the shit Carribean nations have their own qualifying group.

>>76704568
where's canada?

>>76709263
You were so good you didn't have to qualify. You're already in

>>76708107
I know. It was almost like watching the US/Mexico play.

>>76705411
>Andorra, Armenia, Estonia & Gibraltar
don't worry it will never happen, even when the tournament is at 64 countries

>>76707403
Those teams you listed are all trash except Sweden

>>76707403
All those teams would lose to Honduras

>>76705118
this

Mexico, Costa Rica and the US are decent, however, everything else in this confederation is a joke. But that's doesn't matter since no other team will qualify.

>>76713300
No faggot, Sweden would tear the US another asshole.

>>76713929
>sweden finishes below ireland at euros
>usa goes to copa america semi finals
hmmm

>>76714023
>Beat Costa Rica and Paraguay
>Get shat on by Argentina

What an achievement!

>>76714034
>be so irrelevant, you still need to be associated to a decadent kingdom that will soon become a caliphate in order to survive

>It's called the "World Cup"
>People want more European nations

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up

>>76714060

>being a third worlder

Cherishing every chuckle

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>>76714692
I think it was fine the way it was but people want more decent teams, which you won't find in the Asian, African or North American confederations.

The WC is pretty much CONMEBOL + UEFA anyway.

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>No fun faggots want more boring yuro teams that draw or lose all their games 1-0 than the likes of North Korea getting buttfucked by Portugal

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>USA is qualifying whereas Canada is not

>>76713409
panama aint that bad, dont shit on us that hard come on now

>>76715125
Canada is pretty bad at soccer for some reason. It seems they care even less than Americans about it.

>>76704568
Daily reminder USA fucked over portugal and your favorite cock from the group stage and costarica cucked the shit out of italy and england. Mexico also BTFO Croatia.

>>76705118
The thing is the team they are gonna play in the playoff is gonna be even worse

>>76715122
Fun fact: Portugal 7 - 0 North Korea was the first game broadcast live in North Korea

>>76715125
Look at Vancouver Whitecaps twitter and feel the skin crawl away from your bones.

>>76707403
Unironically peru, paraguay and even venezuela would trash them too (except australia, they are decent tier) and they dont have those spots.

>>76715935
>Venezuela
Lol no

>>76714023
>M-muh cherry picking.
Sweden beats USA 9 times out of 10. We beat teams like Portugal, France, England on a regular basis. You have to win against mighty Costa Rica and Honduras.

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>>76705411
>>76706759
>>76711882
>Armenia vs. Guatemala 7:1
>USA vs. Guatemala 0:2
I'm not even kidding

>>76704568
how is that any different than spain or france playing againts Romania or Azberijistan or what ever the fuck

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>>76715933
Fucking hell, Canada.

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>>76716101
Because your group has 3.5 WC spots while European groups get 1.44 you burger

>>76715893
You would have btfo the Shitterlands too imho.

>>76716128
It's not our fault you guys are a bunch of cucks though :/

>>76707505
>europe gets like 13 or 14 spots, more than any other confederation, and you guys still want more spots for yourselves?

i want more for Europe and South America.

its supposed to be a competition for the best teams in the world, not a >muh equality, muh inclusion spread the game lovefest. teams like iran, australia, honduras would be pot 4 or 5 teams in europe.

>>76715935
south america needs more too

>>76716168
We don't need more, you guys need less

>>76716144
>2014
>1. UEFA
>2. CONMEBOL
>3. UEFA
>2010
>1. UEFA
>2. UEFA
>3. UEFA
>2006
>1. UEFA
>2. UEFA
>3. UEFA

UEFA just lets the kids play babby games in the group stage and the 1/8 finals so they can pretend to be big boys like their European masters, everyone knows that it all comes to UEFAgods deciding the champion between each other

>>76713300
>Honduras players in top 5 European leagues - 0
>Sweden players in top 5 leagues - 17
>Romania - 7
>Serbia - 17
>Turkey - 11

STFU delusional Amerifat, all those teams would DESTROY every team in north america

Leave CONCACAF alone they know their place

>>76716207
>he doesn't want the genuine 32 best teams in the world to qualify
>he wants utter trash from Asia, North America and Middle East to be guaranteed spots in every World Cup, regardless of how good they are

you sound like a faggot

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>mfw England will NEVER EVER play in the Confed cup

>>76716224
Surely it has nothing to do with their European passports

>>76704568
>perro-concacaf

underrated

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>>76707403
Jesus Christ, yuros are such delusional whiny retards. All of those teams with the exception of Sweden are themselves no better than Panama-tier.

The ones who should be upset are Conmebol because Ecuador and Peru, would undoubtedly stomp several low end UEFA shitters that will ultimately make the WC.

>>76716259
Imagine a world where the 32 best teams would qualify. England wouldn't even advance past the group stage anymore.

>>76716295
see here>>76716224

USA are the only Panama-tier team champ
>>76716273
correct, it has LITERALLY nothing to do with that. doesn't stop Mexicans, Uruguayans or Chilleans having a squad full of Europe based players

>>76716259
CONMEBOL qualifiers are the most entertaining in the world because anything can happen and only the very best NTs qualify because we have the perfect number of spots. More spots would make our qualifiers boring and predictable because only Venezuela would not qualify.

>he wants utter trash from Asia, North America and Middle East to be guaranteed spots in every World Cup, regardless of how good they are
I never said that

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>>76716359
>>76716359
>>76716359

>>76716348
>anything can happen
lel I wonder who's gonna qualify for next wc? so exciting

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>>76716224
Yes because number of players in your roster that play in top Euro leagues is a great indication of success as demonstrated by England's billion dollar roster that has continually got its shit pushed in by CONCACAF teams in back to back World Cups.

Lmao, you're a moron

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>>76716348
the very best indeed

>>76716427
Well, a very corrupt country with a very corrupt Football Confederation has more WCs titles than your country

>>76716419
>two draws against the worst England team in history is "shit getting pished in" by CONCACAF standards

fucking hell.

back in your box, champ.

>>76716419
when was the last time England lost to a CONCACAF team?

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>>76716028
Sweden WC finishes this millinimum:
>2 Ro16, 2 DNQ

US WC finishes this millennium:
>1 QF, 2 Ro16, 1 Group stage knockout

Lel, get fucked kiddo.

>Walker
>Smalling
>Rose
>Sterling
>Da Ox
>Walcott
>Sturridge
All CONCACAF lads

>>76716482
You were eliminated from the WC by a CONCACAF team.
The smallest and least populous Central American country no less

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>>76716668

>in the past 2 years USA have drawn against Panama TWICE, Trinidad, New Zealand
>lost against Panama, Jamaica, Guatemala , Ireland and Costa Rica TWICE

I'm literally LMAO'ing @ ur countries life

>>76716482
Finishing with 1 point because you managed a draw vs a relaxed Costa Rica team that had already secured a place in the Ro16 after winning its first two games is pretty blatantly getting your shit pushed in.

>>76704568
It's designed to ensure that USA and Mexico get through every time. Everyone else is completely expendable.

>>76716743

The USA has to get in because it's a historical fact that we do better than England in the WC (since 2004)

16 countries should be chosen by the British House of Lords, and that's it.

>>76716482
england finished behind concacaf teams in each of the past 2 world cups, failing to defeat either of them.

>>76716028
I honestly don't know if sweden would even qualify for the wc if they were in concacaf.

Mexico > sweden
Murrica > sweden
Costa Rica > sweden
Panama > sweden = honduras

You guys are huge pussies too so i doubt you'd be able to handle the physicality of the central americans.

>>76716768
>in the WC (since 2004)

yes, that famous old 2004 World Cup

fucking idiot

>>76716028
you say this every thread about the topic, but the US routinely finishes ahead of euro teams that actually qualify for these tournaments.

why don't start citing transfermarkt, lmao

>>76716774
USA record v European teams since 2010
won: 9
drew: 8
lost: 14

you wouldn't make it out of a UEFA qualifying group, champ.

UEFA qualifying is unironically the worst, even worse than this shit. Sure it sucks that you just have a tournament that virtually guarantees Mexico and USA in the finals every time, but at least they do that pre-qualifying shit to weed out all the pointless games.

England have qualified for the last few Euros and World Cups with easy purely because of the way the seeding system works. We keep getting lucky draws with the shittiest teams from each pot which ensures that we will win most matches, qualify, stay high enough in FIFA rankings to be pot one for the next draw, and it repeats forever more. Some of the matches are completely pointless as well. Does anybody really need to see England v San Marino? Spain v Liechtenstein? Italy v Malta? Germany v Andorra? It's fucking nonsensical and should not ever be happening.

They should have all the pot six cunts in a pre-qualifying group, and then the winner of that group gets to play in another pre-qualifying group with the pot five shitters, then we pick the top 1, 2 or 3 teams from that group, whatever number we need to make the main qualifying section have an even number of teams to work well for qualifying. So essentially you'd only have about 40 teams in the qualifiers, which is probably still a few too many, but we'll see how it goes like this. Roughly 8 groups of 5, pretty much all matches would be meaningful, only very strong teams would run away with any of the groups, most groups would be very tight and interesting. The teams that aren't total shit would have more opportunity to organise friendlies against meaningful opposition and prepare more effectively for proper matches.

I'd also consider a model for qualifying where the top two teams from each group qualify for the finals. We might be able to work with a number like 42 which could give us 7 groups of 6, so the top 2 from each group would leave 14 qualifiers which is enough for the World Cup. Change the Euros back to 16 teams so this works for that too.

>agreeing to USA in footie questions
This feels wierd, but since it's mostly Tommies shitting on the US, they should be reminded that >England is the most >Schalke NT known to man and the US always overperforms.

Has England ever beaten the US in any World Cup?

NA qualifiers are okay the way they are.

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>>76716997
>krauts unironically thinking that their opinion matters

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>>76716862
>friendlies

perhaps we should look at the US record vs. european teams in competitive tournaments against the sides that actually qualified in these groups

>>76717027
go right ahead, its even fucking worse

Why do people insist on going after CONCACAF instead of the AFC?

Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica are all likely better than any single team in the AFC right now, and you'd certainly take Panama over whoever will be the last team in from Asia.

Also, has anybody bothered to look at CAF qualification recently? Who the fuck is even the best team in that conference right now? Egypt? Congo? It's a shitshow.

>>76717019
>Tommies thinking they could ever advance past Ro16
Go ask grandpa what it feels like to win a World Cup kek

>>76717041
...yes, but it would have to be comprehensively bad against that group to conclude that they couldn't qualify. which isn't the case.

>>76717071
>USA
>bettern than Japan or Best Korea
lolno

>>76717074
>krauts thinking their cheated world cup counts

>>76717071
its just plain old butthurt. even funnier coming from teams that repeatedly finish behind concacaf teams at the actual wc

>>76717074
>"win" a world cup*

>76717089
>tf
>tp
Too easy

>>76717087
>Japan
>the Koreas
>good
fucking Iran is the best team in the region currently, it's trash.

do you guys really care about seeing your team get BTFO in the WC each year? also, you don't even qualify for the euro and think you should be in the world cup? full retard.

>>76716968
all you need is one f*ck up in a campaign and that circle might never come back
Greece was pot 1-2 onwards from 2004 till 2014.
One bad campaign (possibly fraud, I mean, it took a year for a team to lose to Faroe Islands and then draw pot 1-2 teams like Lelgium and Keksnia?) and we re stuck in the ratings in 40s, currently being the 23rd team in European ratings.
Be sure that this f*ck up will come for all the high pot teams that really don't exactly deserve to be that high.
Switzerland-England-Wales-Poland are gonna have a hard time sooner or later.

>>76717204
>each year

>>76717287
England never might. They do just enough year after year on raw individuals and qualify consistently to tournaments. The other three definitely, though, especially one-man nothing squads like Poland and Wales.

>>76717412
irrelevant comment when u have nothing else to say. Brah just face it ,
Europe has some very good teams, like 5-6 World Cup Favorites each time in
>Italy
>Germany
>Spain
>France
>occassional Netherlands/Portugal
Some very decent with a good run in
>Croatia
>Belgium
The rest teams qualifying are fillers.

But I agree with you on that. The rest of the teams just hope to reach the Groupstage. I always am very proud when our team reaches some Final Groupstages. Not to mention that Good players from bad leagues have eyes on them and can hope for a good transfer (James Rodriguez to Madrid/Manolas to Roma/Depay to United are a few of the 2014 ones). When you have automatic qualification like USA has, you don't think of it as such big. And its pretty obvious that when you reach the World Cup every time like USA does, you ll have many more chances to escpae the Groupstages , like USA did. Let it pass. Noone is gonna agree that the WC is EU vs South America nad the res teams are just fillers. We re talking about 4 continents being fillers.

>>76715913
I wonder if they were told they had a chance beforehand

>>76717509
As I said you need one f*ck up in campaign mate. One pot 2 team like France/Italy/Portugal ending up in the next England's Group. And maybe a pot 3 team like Slovakia or any average team that can make a surprise and its game over. Fail qualification once and this is it. Not to mention that even play-offs if they finish 2nd could be hard for them as they re not used to doing it.

>>76717517

>We re talking about 4 continents being fillers.

but they are?

>>76717536
Do they even have a league? Are they allowed to play outside their country? Do they get paid enough or have favors and such? What about their fitness and diet? All on point? Fck I need to know so much.

>>76717555
Africa/Asia/North Central America/Oceania.
Im not talking about the 32 teams. Im talking about the World Cup as a thing in total. its like 200 teams participating for 7 European and 4 South American teams to have actual chances.

>>76716073
>Armenia 7-1 Guatemala
Holy shit that's a real result lol

there will be 32 teams in the world cup

If the FIFA ranking were to decide the qualifying teams, it would look like this:

UEFA: 18
AFC: 1
OFC: 0
CONMEBOL: 7
CONCACAF: 3
CAF: 3

the current system is decently fair.

>>76715893
And few weeks ago D Croatian team BTFOed A Mexican team.

>>76718068
And few weeks ago B Croatian team got BTFOed by Estonia.
Estonia > Mexico

>>76718085
>B team
>motivation against Estonia
>low key strike against football federation
>frozen field

>>76717809
>FIFA ranking
This is shit, friendlies shouldnt count

>>76717087
Not only are we better than the gooks and nips, we're 10x better than any slav team like yours

Who gives a shit about the World Cup, it's literally becoming a meme Tournament after Qatar.

>>76718276
>Romanians
>Slavs

>>76718125
ya bro
my team played in talinn a qualifier recently.
Those south americans are crying so much about MUH BOLIVIA ATTITUDE BRO HARD HARD HARD.
Europe has every climate possible. Sweden/Finland can choke due to heat in a summer match up vs Greece/Malta.
Most teams can choke in Estonia/Russia/Scandinavia.
But guess muh altitude is very important and everything else is irrelevant.

>>76715125

you can't expect to have good players if the average temperature for kids to go and play outside is -40ºC

>>76718653
>Bolivia Altitude is a good reason why Conmenbol is a hard qualification process.
>Canada Altitude is a good reason why teams in Concacaf might lose points.
>Estonia/Scandinavia/Russia/Ukraine climate are unirrelevant to Qualifying in UEFA.

???

>>76718736
It only applies when talking about the eplel desu

>>76707943
kek

>>76717517
>>76717597
Anon please. Apply your distribution of Uefa teams to conmelel and it looks like
>Brazil
>occassional argies

Germany, Spain, France and Italy all won it since expansion to 32 teams (and Brazil won a deeply corrupt one in 2002). Argies have struggled in the last 3 decades only reaching the finals once in 2014 after the most boring run since 1990. Holland made the finals in 2010 and finished 3rd in 2014 after raping Brazil once more. Holland are dogshit now but so are Italy. Italy's squad is JUST. If they fail in play-offs this year it won't be a big surprise. Holland might not even make the play-offs. France almost failed last year needing a Sakho goal that shouldn't have stood. Sweden v. Portugal was very close. Fillers in Uefa are stronger than a lot of the weak dogshit that reaches the World Cup.

>>76715847
>>76715125
>>76718653
You guys are idiots. Canada sucks for the same reason the US doesn't make Brazil's dominance in the World Cup look like child's play.

Neither country was even marginally aware of the sports existence until a few decades ago. Difference is, the US has over 350 million people, while Canada has a 1/10th of that so we've obviously become competitive much faster.

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>>76719111
Iceland's favourite (local) """sports""" are strongman Championships, pissing on sharks, Huldufólk racing, etc. They have worldclass strongman champions and unlike handegg, boreball, etc. Icelanders face international competition. The US population is over a 100x Iceland's. Iceland only recently got into football (if americucks bring up that nonsense, so can Iceland).

m-muh top athletes play other sports than sawkur, hurr durr, we only recently started """"competing"""" ... seriously, burgers keep bringing this crap up, pic related

>>76716968
CAF qualifying is worst

>>76718736
>>76718577
>comparing altitude with muh climate

Do you know what the word ALTITUDE means, right?

>>76719403
Boreball does have international competition.

>Yuro team spends 30 years without qualifying for WC
>Finally qualifies
>Group stage form: D-L-L
>Scores like, 2 goals tops

This is why no one gives a fuck about more European spots. Find yourselves another way to include Sweden, Turkey and whatever team that is in good form

>>76719111

Not true. Our governing body is so fucking retarded we can't get our quality players into the national team system (which is also a joke).

Ontario has a population of 14 million and produces quality players. The problem is that unless you're pay $4500 a year to play in the "elite development league" you don't get looked at. There are a ton of amazing players in academies and at the club level that are never looked at.

We have a pay to play system that excludes 90% of our talent.

>>76719521
>hyperbaric chamber altitude training
Do Brazil players get to use these kind of facilities? Even my school has an entire gym in a hyperbaric chamber. The funds my school is allowed to spend on sports are probably only a tiny fraction of what Brazil have to work with.

High altitude matches are a crap part of conmelel qualifiers. Your problem to deal with and those cities won't see a World Cup final event. If conmelel FAs join forces Fifa will ban high altitude matches. If you can't agree to ban them/agree to do nothing about them, you don't get to moan about it.

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>>76718276
>we're 10x better than any slav team like yours
>10x
lmao

>>76719596
hardly

>>76718068
>implying anyone will ever see >our A team

>>76719776
I'm pretty sure they have tried that to no avail.

>>76719776
>being THIS triggered

Lel I didn't said anything about it except that it's tottally different from >muh climate. Better learn2interpret m8.

>>76719805
what, assuming the conmelel members have equal weight, Brazil can't even convince 5 (five) to ban it, lmao
kekwador are an embarrassement at the world cup yet they can convince others to keep high altitude matches. At least tell me there was a chimpout in Brazil about this.
>>76719917
Why are you still moaning monkey? No mention about climate from me, huenon.

>>76720099
*kekwador and bolivia

makes my heart all fuzzy knowing Costa Rica is considered to hang with USA and Mexico.

not sure how they do it, but I always cheer those Rich fucks on :3

This is why you faggots have the Euros.

>mfw Albania beat Romania in the Euros last year

>>76720099
You were the one who quoted me, retard. Belgium cluesless as always.

>>76719778
>muh transfermarkt
>muh value of players indicates same level of talent
We would literally 7-1 your third world decrepit villagers in your home stadium.

>>76720194
>clueless
Fix'd.

>>76716128
You know how stupid this argument os right? In the CONCACAF qualifiers we first eliminate the shit teams. Sure, we could make 8 groups of 6 teams and then play a playoffs game like you do but it is stupid

>>76720180
>Romania-Chile 3-2
>Chile-Mexico 7-0
>Mexico - USA 1-1
jej

>>76720205
>value of players indicates same level of talent
obviously yes you retard.

>>76716128
Maybe you retards should shorten the qualifying stage to 12 good teams + 8 other shitters who beat the other shitters like San Marino and Andorra?

>>76720310
>aiming for being 1st (in your group) is stupid
small baller mentality desu

>>76720322
>value of players indicates same level of talent
Then England must be the best team in the world with world class talent like Sterling kek. In all seriousness though, your garbage team isn't good which is why you can't even qualify for the world cup.

>>76720214
yes, I quoted your little moan about altitude and that's what I addressed. Why even bring up? Deal with it and stop crying.
I never mentioned climate. That's >you. Go have a cry about climate somewhere else, mong.

>>76720358
>Then England must be the best team in the world with world class talent like Sterling kek.
Sterling is rated at 45m on the same website you mouthbreather. maybe they're all 10% overrated, are you saying he's not worth 40m??

and who said we should qualify for the worldcup? I'm saying your team is dogshit too and has a qualifying spot locked in every time because lolamerica.

in the past 2 years USA have drawn against Panama TWICE, Trinidad, New Zealand

and lost against Panama, Jamaica, Guatemala and Costa Rica TWICE

>Amerisharts trying to talk any country down when they have a record like that

KEK

>>76716481
>the worst England team in history
nice ass covering. The Premier League has never had more money and more fanfare in it.

>>76720358
>>76720411
world cup winning squads aren't cheapo, m8
the premiums for english players, that's a problem for their clubs, adjust those values and you'll get an England squad that clearly isn't among the top teams

>>76720400
>are you saying he's not worth 40m?
Yes. All English Talent, especially on major teams, is overrated by disgusting proportions.

Sterling is probably worth a little more than what Bobby Wood is worth

>>76720310
Are you implying that the player quality in the CONCACAF final group is higher than the Euro Group A?

>>76720404
>draw against shit Concacaf teams
>Beat shitters like England to the top of the group and knockout Moortugal out of the group stages
You're just proving his point.

>>76720411
>more tv money to clubs = more player value
stupid idiot

>>76720400
Sterling isn't even worth 30 million in today's market. He's done fuck all other than serve as a homegrown player for Arab City.

Also, the top 3 Concacaf teams are literally, indisputably world cup quality. Costa Rica made it to the quarterfinals after knocking out two of the former Euro champions and a South American team in the group stages and they are in the same tier as USA/Mexico.

>>76720486
>more tv money to clubs = better training and scouting

ftfy

>>76719778
>transfermarkt
They are too euro centric because only european club players are valued highly. We have a couple of MLS players who would probably worth more if they chose to go to the premier league like Kellyn Acosta.

>>76720500
>He's done fuck all
literally any US player except pulishit who scored 5(five) times this season and already is the american alltime hall of fame Messironaldo.
also rated at 18m rofl.

>>76720500
>Costa Rica
that will never happen again you fat lard, they're like Greece at euros.

>>76720336
Not even facing the best of your continent is small baller mentallity.

>>76720450
Does Europe only have one group? No, then I don't see why you bring this up. If the group is like that is just Netherlands fault. Not qualifying to a 24 teams Euro fucked up their ranking. Crying because they have a hard group is lame.

Does the CONCACAF group is better than that European group? Probably. Obvioulsy France is far better than anyone else. But Sweden and Netherñands are arguabily worse than the top 3 CONCACAF teams. They couldnt advance to round of the 16 best teams in Europe while USA, Mexico and Costa Rica could advance to the Round of the best 16 teams in the world.

>>76721039
>Costa Rica
this meme again

>>76721087
>better than Italy, Uruguay and England

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>>76719778
>mfw they actually did cite transfermarkt as predicted earlier ITT

>>76721251
>once

>>76721281
ofcourse, I wanted to prove "10x better" is simply not true.

>>76721039
Holland were a pot 1 team during the draw. France and Italy were the pot 2 teams everybody wanted to avoid as only 1 team/group gets a direct spot. Holland knocked out both Mexico and CR plus they finished 3rd.

>>76721404
i actually agree with you, but you didn't prove anything

>>76720572
>>76721404
>i-it was just a fluke
I guess Poortugal winning their euros was a fluke as well.

>>76721438
Portugal:
>QF
>SF
>Final
>QF
>SF
>Winner

vs

Costa Meme:
>group stage choke
>group stage choke
>QF 8 years later

yea definitely a fluke from Portugal lmao.


>>76721433
yes I did Tyrone, the difference between two teams having almost the same player worth cant be 10x.

>2014 WC
>over half of the big strong UEFA countries that concacaf "would never qualify against" fail to leave groups and enter the round of 16: Russia, Portugal, Italy, England, Bosnia, Spain and Croatia
>3 out of 4 concacaf teams make the round of 16


Please remind me again, which qualifying tournament is a joke?

>>76721404
Let's say that you are right and it was a fluke. It at least showed that they can be competitive against almost every team in the world.

>>76721422
I was talking about Holland not qualifying to the Euros. And the group I was refering was the one they are right now in the qualifiers
Yeah they were good in the 2014 WC, but after that they have been shit, that why they fucked up their FIFA rankings and now have a hard group because of that. France was in the Pot 1, Sweden in 2 and Holland in 2 IIRC.

Also a correction, Spain was the Pot 1 team in the World Cup, not Netherlands

>>76721438
>I guess Poortugal winning their euros was a fluke as well
Yes it was

>>76706439
This. There's literally nothing wrong with the hex.

>>76721573
>eliminated Greece after penalties
>obviously fixed game vs Urugay
>competitive against almost every team in the world.


>>76721573
>consistent recent history
of euro final and semifinals
>Poortugal winning their euros was a fluke


whatever, Paco.

>>76716968
This is bollocks pal. We get drawn against teams that are apparently great until we finish them. Poland, Switzerland, Slovakia have all been our groups the past few years and have all been dick sucked on /sp/. 2010 was a stinker with Croatia and Ukraine and we topped it etc. We are simply on the edge of pot 1. There is not a team in pot 2 better except France who are only there because their ranking took a hammering.

>>76721526
>individual player values have a calculable impact on team capability
>transfermarkt is an unassailable authority

its like using player ratings from video games

>>76721720
read this again:
> the difference between two teams having almost the same player worth cant be 10x.
and give me an example of two teams with the same player worth (from whatever source) and one of the teams would indubitably crush the other one everytime anywhere 7-0.
you cant.

>>76721687
>rekt by part time plumbers
>we topped it
this is why final tournament results should have consequences in the next qualifying games somehow.

>>76721526
>defending Moortugal
It's the homosexual Tsu romanian faggot. Nevermind, you're not getting any (you)s from me.

>>76721039
Netherlands are much better than any team in CONCACAF. Sweden is leading the group because France and Netherlands are notorious chokers. It wouldn't surprise me if we win the group but we could also end up third..

Sweden didn't qualify to Brazil. We haven't played a world cup for ages so I don't see how you can use 2014 as an argument. Not many player from back then are still playing for Sweden since we changed our entire squad after 2016 Euros.

>>76721573
>the group I was refering was the one they are right now in the qualifiers
>Also a correction, Spain was the Pot 1 team in the World Cup, not Netherlands
I was referring to the current WCQs when I said Holland were a pot 1 team and France + Italy were pot 2 teams during the draw. Holland's Fifa rankings were still good, i.e. why they were a pot 1 team in the current WCQs. France were the pot 2 team and Sweden the pot 3 team in Holland's current WCQs group. So no Holland didn't fuck up their rankings and ended in a hard group because of that draw (France's rankings were fucked up because they didn't have to qualify for France2016).
Also, the current Holland team isn't worse than in 2014. Holland had one of the worst teams in their history back then as well. Robben played out of his skin and carried Holland which was filled with toddlers. At least the toddlers have gained experience since 2014 but after a massive overperformance they regressed and have now underperformed, i.e. euro Qs disaster. If you bring up "USA, Mexico and Costa Rica could advance to the Round of the best 16 teams in the world" then compare with how Holland performed at that same WC knocking out two of those sides and claiming 3rd place. The US were knocked out by another Uefa side.

So... 75% of the teams made it out of group

>>76721787
Funny you should say that because Romania were somehow pot 1 for 2018 qualifying and got a relatively straight forward group. Let's take a look at some of their results thus far:

Romania 1-1 Montenegro
Kazakhstan 0-0 Romania
Armenia 0-5 Romania
Romania 0-3 Poland
Romania 0-0 Denmark
Poland 3-1 Romania

You're currently 4th and qualification hopes were practically ended 5 games in despite being pot 1. I wouldn't be arguing with the North Americans about their qualifying groups because i doubt you'd even manage to get to the Hex.

The US and Mexico actually held their own in the last couple World Cups and Costa Rica made it to the Quarters. We are the third best region

>>76721720
>individual player values have a calculable impact on team capability
also from the top 10 most valuable national teams 6/10 won Euro/WC and 2/10 played at least a final in the last 20 years. the other 2/10 are Belgium and England. your whole argument is
>muh 2/10 meme exceptions

>>76721876
don't let the door hit you in the sombrero on the way out.

>>76722032
yes, that's why the seeding is flawed, thanks for proving my point.
>you shouldn't argue with the north americans because [romanian flag]
>>>/int/
>>>/pol/

Kek, Englel and other UEFA bottom feeders getting BTFO in here.

>>76721787
>>76722107
do you guys honestly not understand what "proof" means?

>>76722032
>Romania were somehow pot 1

their FA explicitly did not arrange friendlies to be seeded in pot 1

>>76704568
Why is this Gypsy so obsessed with us?

>>76722079
So? Sweden rarely qualifies to the WC bit when we do we get past the group stage.

>>76722169

It's a World Cup, not the Euros. The World is granted spots for representation.

You'd have a legit gripe if we performed as poorly as the Asian countries but alas no dice, go take it up with them.

>>76722107
The seedings are flawed but any team that slips through the cracks into pot 1 still gets btfo if their position is false. Pot 1 isn't a free ticket as you've found out. The system sorts itself out. There's always anomalies.

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>>76722137
apparently your proof is
>you're wrong because you're from romania *autistic screeching*

>>76722149
>let me put my trip on, that will show him

>>76722145
yes look at these shitty 5th world teams lol

>>76718125
It was our b team

Am I missing something or did we just ignore the Champions of Europe (TM) Poortugal drawing with Mexico?

It's international play, much more of a crap shoot than club shit and much more parity. You can stuff England full of EPL "stars" and they'll fail to make it to the group stage every World Cup.

>>76722228
I don't have proof, nor do I need it. I said I agreed with you, retard.

But I'm always going to mock people who base any argument on transfermarkt

>>76722169
>missed WC by losing to a team that didn't even advance out of group stage

jej

>>76722214
I don't think CONCACAF performance in WC is a good measurement of quality of the teams. The qualifiers aren't competitive. That's the point OP is making.

>>76722228
The only reason I have to trip is to skip all the CHI posts.

Still haven't answered my question, faggot

>>76722292
>what about copa america and confederations cup?

or is your argument that actual competitions aren't a good measurement of quality, but speculation and hypotheticals are?

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>>76722292

>I don't think CONCACAF performance in WC is a good measurement of quality of the teams

You don't think team performance in the actual bona fide competition is a good measurement of the quality of the teams?

You prefer to focus on speculation and wild transitive arguments regarding unrelated friendlies/tournaments and to a lesser extent "roster quality"?

Call me crazy but I judge international team quality based off of their performance in the foremost international team tournament.

>>76722244
Then we watched them get outplayed by New Zealand and steal a win.

>>76722292
how sad do you get when Sweden doesn't make it to the WC? I never have that problem

>>76722336
tbf there were like 8-9 changes to the team between games

>>76722336
what was the last word of your post?

>>76720503
LMAO why the fuck are yanks even allowed to comment on football? Fucking hell lads

>>76722336

>steal a win

Do you actually watch soccer? There is no such thing as getting "outplayed" and then winning. There is such a thing as superior teams finding ways to still win even on off days.

>>76722336
seething

>>76722326
Well if Sweden barely ever qualifies but get past group stage and win medals then what does that say about the UEFA qualifiers vs the CONCACAF? Or how about Netherlands? The CONCACAF is a joke and the fact that the teams get pasts group stage doesn't say much when Sweden does too.

>>76722375

after this >>76722336

post you should literally be filtered into a trash pot

I'm not even a big soccer fan and I know how pathetic it is, especially for the most subjective major sport around

>>76722403
>Well if Sweden barely ever qualifies but get past group stage and win medals
>win medals

In what century LOL

>>76722395
There absolutely is you retard.

>>76722403

It probably means that sometimes you get a really good team that qualifies and since they're a good team they do things in the World Cup

what does it mean when England qualifies every iteration and always misses the cut

I'll introduce you to logic, that's a proof by contradiction

>>76722258
>who base any argument on transfermarkt
and I told you to find me another website or book or manuscript that shows the current player's market value, any alternative source, you dipshit.
you keep ignoring the money argument (knee-jerk reaction from being on welfare) and the fact that 8/10 richest national teams won trophies.
same shit happens in CL too btw.


>>76722295
>p-please respond

>>76722332
Ok then Sweden is better than USA, Mexico and Costa Rica since we get past group stage when we qualify and have won medals while you haven't.

>>76722438
I think that anon's point is a win is a win. New Zealand didn't take advantage so they lost, Mexico took advantage and won

>>76722395
>There is no such thing as getting "outplayed" and then winning

i guess if the only thing that denotes quality is goal scoring, I suppose that's true. But I strongly disagree with your assertion.

>>76722438

No there isn't you retard. Are you the kind of fag who complains when a team scores 2 goals in stoppage time?

>>76722454
>medals

since when?

>>76717809
This shows how Asia is the one fucking up

>>76722454
are you saying better historically or better now?

>>76722454
USA won a medal, m8

>>76718068
yes and we BTFO chile 1-0 in a friendly before the 7-0. Friendlies are meaningless.

>>76722461

I'm saying one thing is fact: The win. Another thing is your opinion: who was "playing best". You can point to bullshit like: possession, shots on goal, tackles made, Team Quality Index (TM) Sponsored by ESPN and Mountain Dew, but at the end of the day soccer is notoriously terrible to try to reduce to stats and it is a toddler's quibble to complain about a result

it is a game of sheer odds, you can "win" by taking a pot shot from mid field in the 92' minute past a slightly off balance keeper

good teams keep taking their chances and the law of averages produce a winning record

>>76722403
but us/mex also generally perform well in CA and confederations. how does sweden do in the Euros?

if you want to throw out literally all of the evidence, go ahead. I think that's retarded.

>>76722467
since forever, they got medals 4 times in their history you inbred spic.

>>76722517
complaining about a result isn't the same as acknowledging that sometimes chance causes an inferior team to get a result.

>>76704568
Scrap those 4 spots, send CONCAF to South America, give those 4 spots to Europe and allow the 8 best 2nd placed teams advance flat out instead of having that ridiculous second round shit.

>>76722517
No one's reducing it to stats. Mexico were defensively embarrassing and wouldn't have even had a chance to come back if Chris Wood didn't have a stinker - that's simply sheer luck on Mexico's part.

>>76722445
lol I'm not ignoring anything. I never argued with you on anything besides citing transfermarkt, because you're not the only one who tries that bullshit.

>>76722537
I mean it has been forever. Who cares about history

>>76722568
why wouldn't they just have more intercontinental playoffs instead of letting in more teams taht aren't going to make it out of the group stages?

Concacaf only gets three-4 teams and most of the time two make it through the next stage of the WC (2014 had 3)

Why would you reduce Concacaf and not Asia?

>>76717089
>a brit
>talking about "cheated world cup"
double kek times 3 i can't even

>>76722594
what bullshit?
list superior ways of quickly financially evaluating players on the internet or gtfo

>>76722558
>>76722572

I'm simply confused as to how any fan of this sport, literally chance: the game, even thinks it's a worthwhile argument

you have nothing to allude to, just "well I watched them play and they looked better"

it's shitposting

>>76704568
Romania wouldn't qualify to the final hex

>>76722658
why appeal to that when we can use competitive results? You're using a flawed methodology. Pointing out that there's not a better version of the same flawed process doesn't validate your methodology.

>>76722619
Well fine how about this, 5th-8th in South America gets to play the 5th-8th best 2nd placed teams in the Euro groups. Sounds very fair in my opinion. The Intercontinental qualfiier bullshit that goes to the 5th placed in South America can go to the 9th best 2nd place team in Europe.

>>76719778
>Romanian
>country that eats and sleeps soccer
>USA
>6th most popular sport behind circle drive

Sad!

>>76722659
Yeah, strange concept to you lot, watching a game and forming an opinion yourself.

>>76722659
you're flip flopping now m8. if you consider it chance: the game, then must also think that an inferior team can win. I'm not even talking about mexico, which you're obviously sensitive about, because I didn't watch that game. But you made a pretty grand claim that seems pretty dumb.

>>76722568
Why doesn't UEFA have progressive qualifying tournaments then? Why the does Liechtenstein need to start on the same round as Germany?

>>76722704
make it 5th-9th in the americas and you're fine by me.

>>76722733
$$$$$$$$$$

and i suppose some logistics

>>76722716
well he's providing his opinion as well. No need to act like a sperg

>>76722738
Well since the 4th in North America and 5th in South America goes to the Inter-continental memery, we can just withdraw those two and have Oceania and Asia duke it out instead. That would leave 1 WC spot that could go to the 9th in South America vs the 9th best 2nd placed Euro team.
Alright who do I call to have this implemented?

>>76722717

I didn't say that. Some teams have generally better chances because they are better, but at the end of the day the game is going to be won by what is oftentimes whimsical play, like a stray ball. That isn't the case with many other major sports.

Confused as to why you're trying to assert logical superiority when you're being a fucking idiot desu but to each their own

>>76722716
You might have missed it when you were browsing reddit but Mexico equalized and eventually put the game away

>>76722753
It makes sense for conmebol, which only has one qualifying group, but UEFA is more dependent on a good draw than any other confederation. If yuros are going to be pissed, they should be pissed at their retarded qualifying tournament.

>>76722856
I know you didn't say that. You claimed the opposite, and I don't know how you think both of those things can be the case.

>>76722674
you niggers would barely get 2nd place in a group with France, then shit yourselves in a playoff against Italy.
or finish bellow that and protest in the streets afterwards "¡Ay caramba we wuz concacaf kings"

>>76722689
competitive results=Italy, France, Portugal, Germany, Spain won trophies, and coincidentally were top10 most valuable teams.
>it's flawed because I say so

competitive results in the last 50 years=USA has like two more group stage chokes than Romania. both teams reached a maximum of QF, once.

I still can't see the "10x better" you or the other shithead mentioned earlier.
Show me a relevant metric that says 10x better or go back to your tacos and maracas.

>>76722881
again, stop attributing someone else's claims to me, i've said like three times I agree with you. you're not gaining anything by sperging about and repeating yourself. but fuck transfermarkt.

Fuck UEFA and fuck CONCACAF

>>76722704
sounds like a good deal.

16 teams in an all-american tournament, 4 groups, 1st and 2nd from each group qualify.

asia and australia need to be merged too.

>>76722942
Now we need someone from a real country to present the proposal

>>76723192
>we

>>76722874
>they should be pissed at their retarded qualifying tournament.
Euros are really good at coming up with retarded sporting practices. Such as, oh, the away goals rule.

>>76722942
If FIFA cared about the sport at all. At some point most competitive federations will leave this shitty PC organisation

>>76723327
look, the gypsy can speak english

>with the 48 teams meme WC all those teams would qualify

w e w
e
w

>>76723469
>it's a chicano tries to fit in with Cletus episode

>>76723605
I can tell my post cut deep since you are sperging out

>>76722537
gyppo says inbred from the house he shares with his uncle his mother his sister and his cousin, all he same whore

>>76722568
the somalian asking for gibs

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>Let's not have North American teams in the World Cup???

>Could have beaten the biggest meme team Belgium if they have had a decent offence.

14 euro teams is like have 4 CL spots in the BPL, a mistake

People really needs to reevaluate the conventional wisdom that UEFA and Conmebol are super elite while the rest of the world is complete trash.

CONCACAF has progressively gotten better results with each passing WC. It used to be only Mexico deserved to be there. Then Mexico and the US, but nobody else. And now it's Mexico, US, and Costa Rica.

Getting grouped with teams from CONCACAF is no longer good for your chances of advancing.

>>76723628
>hurr durr gypsy
>you are sperging out
>my original insult cut deep

>>76723708
when did this turn into a cringe thread?

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>>76723746
when amerishart flagposting started aka like in every /sp/ thread ever.

>>76723686
>People really needs to reevaluate the conventional wisdom that UEFA and Conmebol are super elite

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>>76722292
>I don't think performances in the WC are a good measurement of whether teams deserve to be in the WC

Okay

>>76722881

if I had
Been born a dirty gypsy I'd kill myself

>>76723867
The top teams in UEFA and Conmebol are still the top teams in the world, but their bottom teams are not as good as top Concacaf teams.

Literally every one of the final 6 teams in CONCACAF is definitely than Romania, that's for sure.

>>76723867
that's the reason why you started the thread. Don't act like you are above it

>>76724047
>Literally every one of the final 6 teams
top 3 maybe.
bottom 3 no.

>>76722716
Nigga, Mexico played their actual unironic B team that game. Both teams looked like complete fucking shit until the 2nd half when Mexico finally started playing at least semi-competently and put NZ away.

They were saving their real lineup for Russia.

>>76716073
>>76717606
hey faggots, we scored against WORLD CUP CHAMPIONS BRAZIL, can you say the same?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ76GiVzMck

(jk i know we're shit)

>>76718131
>on conditions I deem fair

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Why do you keep replying to the salty gypsy, he's the one that made the threads about Mexico too, he's the pathetic country that can't qualify in this shitty group when Mexico, US, CR and maybe even Panama would be 1

>>76724489
New Zealand is an amateur team, though. Calavera shouldn't had to stop more shots on target than Ochoa did against Portugal. Even though all the players are decent individually, they have no mentality and don't even know how they are going to play in the upcoming match against Russia given Osorio is a meme DT.

>>76724733
Romania has been a strong contributor for a few months now. They deserve responses and RESPECT.

Gypsies, poortugal and Chile are saving this board

>>76724304
What is Romania's best result in qualification so far? A tie vs Montenegro? A tie vs Denmark? Lel.

Panama managed to pull a draw with Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica. The one WC quality team Romania has played is Poland, and they got their asses handed to them in both games by a score of 3-0 and 3-1. Panama would kill you.

>>76722107
>>76722881
Romanon, Belgium were nowhere near the top 10 most valuable national teams 20 years ago. Most of that timeframe covers the worst period in Belgian football. Since Uefa started keeping records Belgium had a top 3 or at least a top 5 league until halfway through the 90s, Bosman and tv money/size of mediamarket making an impact, and Belgium held his own at the WC. In the late 90s Van Buyten was one of the """big name""" players, Nilis never made it big, the best players were old af/retiring and the FA was so desperate that they looked at the likes of Weber and Strupar (players in their 30s that weren't even good enough for their country and that for the bulk of their modest careers played in the Belgian league, the worst it has ever been).
Belgium among the teams with the highest value is a very recent development and since 2012 Belgium started doing well in qualifying again. Successive quarterfinals and even at Euro2016 Belgium started the youngest line-up in the history of the Euros. Mexico's best result ever was a QF exit and they only managed that when hosting the WC (Mexico1986 Belgium reached the semis).

>>76724877
You need to go back
>>>/v/

>>76721624
>obviously fixed game vs Urugay
Source? Why would FIFA want Costa Rica to advance instead of Uruguay?

>>76722292


>Poortugal winning their euros was a fluke
>came third in a group including Austria, Hungary and Iceland
>not a fluke

>>76721945
>Netherlands are much better than any team in CONCACAF
No, the top 3 CONCACAF team would qualify to the Euros

>>76721950
Look at that you are right. Then it is all FIFA's ranking fault and making the draw one year before the actual qualifiers start. I apologize.
Either way, you can't deny that CONCACAF deserves 3 spots.

>>76722292
Then what's a good way to know who is good and isn't? Transfer value?

>>76722454
>sweden didn't qualify to the world cup because they couldn't beat portugal
>usa qualifies in their group over portugal
>b-b-but we sometimes have good generations, concacaf is a joke

>>76722881
mexibeaners BTFO LMAO!

>>76723680
>Could have beaten the biggest meme team Belgium if they have had a decent offence
Always makes me LMAO.
Go hide behind the skirts of your women. The US """"men"""" are a poor joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjPmC2hf5zI

>>76724733
It's hilarious that Romanian and Armenian posters are so butthurt about CONCACAF when they're in a group without a single team from the 2014 WC.

Sweden has a legitimate grievance, but those two shitters wouldn't even make the Hex.

>>76704568
thats the third round gypsy

>>76724733

fairly sure us,mexico,and even costa rica would be ahead or tied with poland in this shitty group

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>>76716273
>Surely it has nothing to do with their European passports
>Serbia
>European Passport

>>76719778
brooks just went to wolfsburg for 20 million, how is that value even calculated

>>76716217
Somehow there are no answers to this by the subhumans from across the ocean.

Guess they can't argue with raw facts.

>>76707671
Peru, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Ecuador, Ghana, Algeria, Nigeria, and Japan could all probably wreck lower their Uefa. Absolutely no reason Uefa should get more spots.

>>76711849
This has to be bait. This last match was phenomenonal.

>>76713929
Sweden is a joke and most of the world knows it.

>>76714949
The African nations have a lot of great teams actually.

>>76716004
Venezuela is playing with rent money though. They're all trying to get the fuck out of their country and this is probably their best chance. Their youth team is phenomenonal too

>>76735246
>he says while being 3rd behind teams like panama while we're topping a group with France and Netherlands
Don't throw stones in glass houses, Ameri-kun.

>>76735246
Well Costa Rica. Same shit really.

>>76716028
It isn't hard to be confident when you're playing teams like fucking Hungry and Norway and Luxembourg and Slovakia.

>>76704568
>Perro con caca
Heh, nice one, dirty gypsy. Leave shitty teams to you I guess, like Taxnaldo and Halal

>>76735401
Our group consists of France, Netherlands, Bulgaria, Belarus and Luxembourg and only the first team advance. Stop spouting nonsense.

>>76716217
And yet those top finishers are the same decent teams we see every year, and the garbage lower their Uefa teams get eliminated early. Uefa only has a small handful of good teams. Shits like Sweden and Ireland and Luxembourg still struggle. Costa Rica, the US, Chile and Peru regularly out perform expectations though