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>>76688597
He never won anything to begin with.

Vegas is literally who: the team

OFFICIAL PLAYERS YOU FORGOT LIST

1. Jerome Iginla
2. Tim Thomas
3. Rick DiPietro
4. Martin Havlat
5. Bobby Ryan
6. Olaf Kolzig
7. Martin St. Louie
8. Brad Richards
9. Mikael Granlund
10. Martin Gaborik
11. Andrew Brunette
12. Steve Sullivan
13. Rich Peverly
14. Thomas Vokoun
15. Mark Bell
16. Daniel Briere
17. Loui Eriksson
18. Alexei Zhamnov
19. Alexander Semin
20. The entire 2004-2005 NHL season

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what a terrible night

(actually not night cuz it's still sunny outside, but you get me)

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What is it gonna fucking take for him to win it again? Also fuck Dorion.

>>76688619
fpbp

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I would pay $100 to end the 2017-18 season right now and just let cuntsby and shitcunt pens hang on to the cup for another year instead of having to watch it play out again and get sick to my stomach every other night.

No one is going to beat them. I said it two years ago in the first round, I said it last year in the first round, and I feel the exact same way now.

I hate them so fucking much. I hate them like ISIS hates the western world. I need to vent this shit.

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Geno is sad, say something nice to him and tell him to stop skipping leg day.

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>>76688597
>the golden knights will make the playoffs

>>76688597
He'll get traded in his last season as the sens are missing the playoffs to the team that wins the cup and then retire.

>>76688629
weeb faggot

>>76688597

Starting next season, Karlsson will win 5 Norris in a row and a Stanley Cup.

>>76688627
4
6
11
12
13
14
15
>17 lmao no
>18

>>76688629
Agreed. Now post butt and make it all better.

>>76688639
Пaшoл нa хyй жидяpa

>>76688624

They'll be better than Phoenix and Carolina.

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>Giving Vegas picks
>Giving Vegas a dead player, shit goalie and a literal who on defense
>Didn't lose key players

Did we win the expansion draft?

>>76688618
>If your putting one KHL meme on there, why not the other (Gusev)?
Because I doubt Gusev ever plays in the NHL. Money is too good in the KHL for him

BOB is elite and so are the Columbus bluejackets

Did Chevy really drop 11 spots in the first round so Vegas would take Thoburtn instead of Dano????

That seems like a severe overpayment for a guy who might no even make the line-up every game.

>>76688639
Been together for so long, I'd imagine it sucks.

>>76688627
>forgetting danny "clutch" briere
>forgetting alex "bongos" semin

Pickard is going to the Jets

>>76688653
>being better than Phoenix is an achievement

>>76688631
He'll win next year because he earned respect in the playoffs. But when he's a UFA he's going to take his talents to Edmonton

>>76688660
This year's draft is stupid. There's a huge talent plateau from 15 to 40

>>76688597
What is wrong with Burnsy winning it? He earned it just as much as Karlsson would have earned it if he won.

>>76688627
12
15
18
20

>>76688655
Nah. Along with the BJs you got embarassed by fucking Vegas.

>>76688653
lol

>>76688655
Honestly depends on what Snow does with the cap space, but overall I think they did pretty good

>>76688653
They'll be better than Vancouver, too. Just good enough to not luck into the 1st pick.

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>>76688655
>forgetting the car

>>76688639
Cheer up geno
Now you get to play him twice a year amd expose his faults

>>76688681
Explain how

>>76688673
Looking at player who could be available at 13 there are some really good ones. 24? not so much.

>>76688698
fuck honkeys

terrible islesmeme

Reinhart back to Edmonton for this years 1rst.

>>76688673
Holy shit could you imagine Karlsson and McDavid playing together? I want to see that happen so badly.

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the ONLY winners in the expansion draft

>>76688677
karlsson had a really good playoff run

it's a meme trophy anyways, they intentionally now spread it around to subban and doughty rather than just give it to a swede every year

>>76688713
>2 1sts and a 2nd for reinhart

its stupid, but it'll probably happen

Is there any team that has a worst roaster than the memeknights besides hoangcouver?

Ottawa got fucked over tonight more than any other team

fuck my life

>>76688629
Well, it's 4:43 here and the sun never been down. Are you telling me there are no nights in Northern Sweden during the summer?

>>76688723
Well Doughty deserved it when he won. He wasn't insanely offensive but he was definitely the best defensive player that year, and still got around 40 point IIRC.

Glad fleury and neal can be friends again

>>76688681
BJs actually did well, they have some solid prospects they couldn't let go.

>>76688728
dallas

>>76688738
5:45 here

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>>76688732
ikr

>>76688738
really? you get sunlight all summer long?

how does ramadan fasting work?

>>76688728
Arizona, Colorado, Carolina.

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>>76688732
>mfw eternally salty ottawafags got mad at ironic shitposting about cancerman

Knights will finish with 84 points

>>76688778
>Carolina

>Ottawa fans unironically upset about losing Methot

lel, dude fucking sucks

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what did kesler mean by this?

>>76688780
Dude Anderson being a team cancer has been my shtick for years.

>>76688778
things arent going very well in detriot or buffalo either

>>76688800
salty

Haula shipachyov Neal
Perron Marchessault Smith
Bellmare Eakin Tuch
Karlsson Lindberg Carrier
>t. NHL network
Thoughts?

>>76688728
Until someone explains to me what Florida is doing, they'r e the worst.

>>76688810
it's shit

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>>76688802
All one had to do was mention the patriarchy and it was a recipe for instant (you)s
>ottawa fags will always be insecure

>>76688772
Ramadan was over by June as far as I know (I know this because there were a lot of arabs out in the middle of the night when I was walking to the gym) and where I live there aren't that many muslims anyway.

>>76688800
he's browsing the thread right now

>>76688810
110 goals

>>76688778
as an avs fan, I can confirm 100%

They literally threw together a meme defense core in one night and its better.
They took B class scorers, and they are better than ours.
KHL memes will be better players than Avs "stars"
see: Panarin.

Being an Avs fan is suffering desu.

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>>76688799
this

Chabot is already better. Dorion is playing 4D chess

>>76688823
According to my calendar Ramadan ends this Sunday

>penguins could sign both Kane and Toews at 10.5 million each and still be under the cap now

how the fuck did the penguins manage this

theyre going to 3peat because they can just buy as many free agents as they want

They could get Karlsson, Josi, and Hjalmarsson and still have money left over

>>76688810
Bellemare was a third liner in while Lindberg was winning the playoffs MVP in Skellefteå AIK. Lindberg deserves a shot at the top 9 at least. Nellemare is a beast in PK and as a fourth line grinder.

>>76688836
>6 minutes against pro hockey players
>absolute garbage

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Can't wait for fleury to break out gold equipment for vegas

>>76688799
>upset at losing the player who shut down Sidney Crosby in the playoffs.
sounds like a legitimate concern

>this meme guy will replace a veteran defensive stud
Lol, I love when tards make these bold claims. They always get BTFO later and its always hilarious.

>tfw vegas takes sbisa and his albatross contract out of our hands

>>76688778
>Carolina
>checks flag
Quebec SEETHING at the fact that "their" team is not moving there.

>>76688855

>how the fuck did the penguins manage this

because you're a retard that is ignoring all the FAs they'll lose, which is why that space is there to begin with.

>>76688845
Huh? Well, there were a Imam who was visiting North Sweden a couple of summers ago because he needed proof that the sun never went down, and if I remember correctly he said muslims who live here should fast according to the clock instead.

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>that 10 to 1 first place ballot ratio

CROSBITCH ON SUICIDE WATCH

Projecting Vegas Lines:

Perron-Marchessault-Neal
Haula-Shipachyov-Smith
Lindberg-Grabovski-Bellemare
Leipsic-Karlsson-Eakin

Methot-Emelin
Garrison-Schlemko
Van Riemsdyk-Engelland
Reinhart

Fleury
Pickard

Their first offensive line would be a good 2nd line on any team but they have no elite presence so they better hope next 2 years drafts are good cause they'll be in 30th for a while.

>>76688888
Nice quints

>>76688889
>kane 0 1st place votes

damn

>>76688804
The Detroit roster is still far better and has much more potential than the Golden Kniggers

>>76688892
0% chance Neal and Shipachyov don't play together.

Shippy is an assist machine and Neal is a goalscorer. No coach is going to miss that obvious opportunity.

Who do you think will sign Jamie Lundmark on July 1?

>>76688914
Shippy is also unproven on an NHL level. He'll probably start 2nd line unless McPhee is an idiot.

>>76688906
>aging Zetterberg
>Larkin regressing
>le skate fast Swarthy Greek
>Abdelkader for big $$$
>Mrazek proven to be locker room cancer, wont even have a long NHL career. barely a .900% goalie for the season.
I get its tough to swallow, but Detroit is going in the wrong direction and fast.

Buffalo is up and coming though. He is wrong about Buffalo.

Could Heiskanen slip to Vegas? They really need a talented defenseman like that

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>derek dosett is literally all that remains from the cantpucks trading away kesler
cantpuck management at its finest

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>>76688889
>Ovechkin at 12

>>76688952
Vancouver will eat him up first if he falls that low

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>>76688888
Checking myself

>>76688943
Panarin seemed to adjust just fine. Plays with the Hawks best offensive player and did well.

However, Neal could be 2nd line as well if thats the case.
Most teams roll their first 2 lines in a way that isn't that much different.
Example: Pittsburgh. Malkin-Kessel is every bit as dangerous as Crosby-Sheary.

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>Trade a very invaluable pick (5th) to Vegas so they select a literal who AHLer over Stempniak.
We won the expansion draft boys.

>>76688901
rapsit

>>76688855
A lot of that cap space will disappear after they extend Schultz, Dumoulin, and Sheary, and add a 3rd line center, another defenseman, and backup goaler.

How long until Vegas becomes like the 90's panthers where they
>pull a deep playoff run out of their ass in the first 5 years
>fade into obscurity and constantly on relocation talk

>>76688723
>playoff run mattering for a regular season trophy

Get a load of this guy

>>76688889
>Bob was 3rd
Impressive desu. It's crazy how much do the Blow Jackets rely on him, once he was out of rhytm in the playoffs the entire team fucking collapsed around him.

>>76688952
Don't really see a cornerstone puck moving defenseman in this draft tbqhwy. Unless we have a sleeper late round or soemthing. We'll see

>>76688968
>Finnish manlet defenseman

No thanks.

>>76688964
>$2.65M cap
>for the next 2 years

wew

dat grit

>>76688968
That would make sense but you have to remember that Benning runs that team and they just drafted a left handed Finish defenceman 5th overall last year

>>76688971

panarin is an exception, and vegas doesn't have a patrick kane. most KHLers are not that talented or lucky.

>>76688987
the nfl and the nba is going to make this team coyotes-tier irrelevant in the next few years

>>76688951
I'm just saying Detroit is still better off than Vegas. Last year was not great for the Wings, but I think this year will turn things around a bit. It's time we commit to a rebuild.

>>76688995
We've known he's top 3 since they announced the "nominations"

Why didn't Holtby win the Veznia

>>76688974
To be fair this draft is certified trash anyways. Better to trade top picks for gains and wait to see who'll be on the horizon for 2018 and 2019.
Rasmus Dahlin could be a stud for next draft if he doesn't choke under the pressure of being a fucking swedeshit.

>>76688889
So there was literally some jabroni who didn't even rank Crosby in the top 5

>>76688987
Unlike Florida white people actually lives in Vegas

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POST >YFW the VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS WILL THE STAN LEE CUP BEFORE VAUGHNCOUVER AND THE SHORKS.

>>76689030
his gf's diddies weren't big enough

>>76689030
Because he sucks

>>76688892
Yeah flip Marchessault and Shipachyov. Vegas might actually be scary next year

>>76689039
>inplying
they will get relocated to quebec

>>76689036
The wording of the Hart trophy makes it possible to punish Crosby for having Malkin on his team

>>76688968
No way Vancouver actually addresses a need anon. I could honestly see him going to vegas

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>>76688888
>>76688888
>>76688888
>>76688888

WHEN THE FUCK WILL THEY START GIVING THE NORRIS TO THE BEST ALL AROUND DEFENCEMEN:

New trophy, Bobby Orr for the Dman with the most points

>>76689059
Because that's retarded

>literally STEALING Neal because you're bootyblasted that you traded Forsberg

wtf I hate McPhee now

>>76689059
>implying its just about points
Burns is a phenomenal defender

>>76688965
>3rd in votes for Washington players

>>76689059
They already do give it to the best all-around defenseman. That's why Burns got it this year and Doughty got it last year.

>>76689045
>get relocated to quebec
You spelled Seattle wrong. Implying Buttman will accept a relocation to Canada (Winnipeg: One time = zero times)

>>76689011
best goalscorer in this era is a KHL tier talent named Ovechkin.
Radulov came back to the NHL better after years in the KHL.
Kovalchuk was fine in the NHL and KHL.

You're right for average KHLers. But for the top 10%, there isn't a big drop off between them and the NHL.
Also its harder to score points in the KHL. McDavid wouldn't have gotten the 50 assists Shipachyov got if NHL had KHL scorekeeping. (no secondary assists)

50 primary assists is impressive, dude has some serious skill. He will transition into the NHL just fine, and Canadians will be super butthurt about it.

>>76689037
>white people
>in Vegas
Nope, less than 50% white. Tourists aren't inhabitants you know.

>>76689039
They literally have eternity in that case.

Vegas D could end up being good potentially

>>76689102
>Implying tourists won't make up a big chunk of the attendence

Laine on suicide watch

Can Vegas send its extra forwards and D to the AHL without fear of waivers?

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reminder that the snes are fucking gay and their jerseys suck lmao

>Lol he didn't take a picture upboat! xd lol :)
r/hockey is the worst.

Reminder!
Phoenix metro area population: 4.5 million
Las Vegas metro area population: 1.9 million

This team has to be good

>>76689137
Even if they could, they're sharing an AHL team with another team so they wouldn't have space

>>76688681
>Embarrassed by Vegas

We practically did some cleaning up by removing Grabovski and those picks aren't even valuable. This draft class is weak anyway

>>76688692
Knowing snow, he's probably going to do something big or do nothing

>>76689137
I think that's why they picked some literally whos like the Detroit guy. But even then they'll have to trade some.

>>76688756
>benn
>seguin
>klingberg
?

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>>76689149
Anon.......
Where do the Coyotes play?

>>76689149
Nashville is the better comparison given size, being a tourist spot, and the fact that they had a relocated NFL team come in around the same time

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>>76689039
i only recognize like 4 names

>>76688681
Florida did the worst
>bribing a team to take a 30 goalscorer
woaaahhh, Im sure that was a hard sell.

Florida = JUST

>>76688888
Fucking wasted

>>76689172
in the dessert

>>76689180
I think Florida was mostly dumping Smith because nomonies, but then they fucked it up

>>76689158
Who would trade for the literally whos tho?

>>76689119
They said the same about the Magic in Orlando, it never happened.

Vegas players have to clear waivers to be sent down, more trades to come

>>76689138
lmao

>>76688987
It'll happen I assume. But they need some meme to coincide with their run. Maybe some poker chips thrown on the ice after every goal?

>>76689172
Glendale is phoenix metropolitan area. I didn't say just Phoenix
>>76689174
I used the yotes because of their dogshit attendance despite being in a large sports market. Vegas will be a ghost town unless this team produces

>>76689158
The "Detroit guy" Nosek led the Griffins to the Calder Cup, but I don't think he was their best pick at all. If not Mrazek, they should have taken Ouellet. Even Sheahan would have probably been a better pick. Sure he had a bad season but he has a lot of talent and isn't an unproven 24 year old with no MHL experience.

>>76689119
They would probably. First Asian crowd at a hockey game that is over 50%

>>76689224
>implying hongcouver hasnt already achieved that goal

>>76689149
>Phoenix
>The coyotes play in Glendale
>Further away then the original arena
>Few fans want to go there
>TV doesn't even show them games


Really fires those neurons

>>76689209
They have the advantage of being the only team in town for now. Plus hype from being new.

Grabo's back?

Literally Sergei Berezin 2.0

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VEGAS BABY

>>76689237
Give me a crowdshot of a game this year. Is this true?

>>76689149
Oklahoma city population: 620k
>sells out more frequently than half the league

Basketball and hockey are played in the same stadiums.
If a town of 620k can make it. So can 1.5 Million + tourists.

The real test will come when the Raiders arrive in town. But for the first 3 years GKs will do fine.

>>76689245
LIVE LONG AND PROSPER

>>76689223
I agree, but I think Vegas took Nosek because he is going to be a very good depth center. Nosek should be great on the 4th line, because he has no glaring weakness. He's a safe pick, unlike Ouellet or Sproul who might not ever transition well to the NHL.

>>76689243
Nope. He's done for his career. It would be a miracle if he plays again, but isles traded him just from his salary

>>76689257
>live long and prosper
more like live long and pooper lmao

>>76689256
OKC had KD and Westbrook. That will bring seats in any city.

When OKC starts being shit they will be bottom attendance.

Just like any small market team. Carolina won the cup and now has the worst attendance because of an 8 year playoff drought

>>76689256
Yes, the team is a playoff team. God forbid the thunder become shit ever, it will be ugly
>>76689241
This is true, but the raiders ARE coming to town eventually. Raiders are already good. There is pressure for the golden knights to succeed

>>76689256
The raiders will sell because they are a recognized franchise in football. The problem arises in how hockey is perceived. You think that people will go to Vegas to watch a hockey game or a football game? If they want to succeed and sucker in some fans, they should bank on being in a partnership with the raiders

>>76689281
I think Carolina is losing fans because the arena isn't in Raleigh or in the metro area. That too factors lower attendance

>>76689281
sure, and an exciting new professional sports team will have a 5 year window of buzz to get better.

Its up to them to get good, but they have time. And Carolina/Arizona will get relocated before Vegas does. So realistically they have a 10 year window.

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How are your current feelings toward me?

>>76689288
Nashville was the same. Vegas can do it if they learn to love the game like Nashville

>>76689300
Carolina isn't getting relocated

>>76689240
>The coyotes play in Glendale
It doesn't matter really, a team can still have fans watching them play on TV even if the attendance is low, but this just isn't the case in the Valley. Nobody gives a flying fuck about the Yotes. Cardinals are extremely popular, D-Backs are the local darlings, Suns are pretty meh but they still have a following, but Yotes flat out don't have fans. You will run into tons of people in Detroit and Pittsburgh jerseys (all transplants) in the valley and never meet a single Yotes fan. That fanbase is fucking dead.

t. Tempe

>>76689256

Terrible comparison. OKC has been good to contender almost the entirety of their time since they were moved and had two of the most marketable superstars in the game. Their town isn't overwhelmingly full of transplants, basketball is a far more popular sport than hockey, and because most people in Vegas are from California or elsewhere they're likely to already have a hometown team even if they do give a shit about hockey.

>>76689301
He should invest in acne treatment

>>76689301
i love you

>Pulkkinen

???

>>76689301
GOAT

>>76689256
NBA isn't a comparable because of how much money is in their TV deal. They don't really care about attendance and no one even gives a shit about like 25 of the teams.

>>76689288
fortunately most of the people going to Vegas plan vacations.

Meaning the stadium may fill up with away fans, but it can still fill.
>wanna do a weekend in Vegas and see the blackhawks game on Saturday?
>hell yeah, bud!
shit like that will happen because of the nature of Vegas.

However, as all teams they will need to get good to be relevant 10 years down the road.

>>76689303
Or end up like Florida and get into the finals early into the franchise and get a gimmick going

>>76689256
City population doesn't mean anything. Some cities are really small geographically but have huge numbers of people in the suburbs, and some visa versa.
If look at metropolitan area, Vegas and OKC are roughly the same size.
That being said, Vegas has a million other entertainment options, whereas Oklahoma has absolutely nothing to do.

>>76689311
I met a fan at a fucking Montreal New York game and he was being honest with the team. He said how the suns cancelled out their games, how only one provider shows them, and how there is little success. But he did seem hopeful with their prospects.

>>76689338

>They don't really care about attendance and no one even gives a shit about like 25 of the teams.

Except you just described hockey more than the NBA in 2017.

Since this is technically vegas' first major team I think they'll be loved. That's kind of a special thing. But I give em 3-5 years before the novelty wares off if the team sucks. Better see the playoffs at least once

>>76689339
Pretty much this. High grossing games will obviously be against the Hawks, rags, kings, and Oilers, but they'll get money from people. It'll be odd to see this team play, but arena looks great


>>76689300
Carolina doesn't look like they'll be relocated if they do well this season. Same for Arizona.

>>76688673
He won't go to Edmonton. He'll stay in Ottawa bc muh class and loyalty, I also doubt he'll want to leave with Chabot, White and Brown coming in. I'm saying he'll do at least until he's past his prime then if snes didn't won by then he'll pull a Ray Bourque like Alfredsson.

Expansion team in milwaukee when?

>>76689371
If they make the playoffs, the best thing is to get a matchup against the kings. Grow a rivalry with them. Or, if they are shit, make a rivalry against the Avalanche

>>76689256
The problem of places like Vegas and Phoenix isn't just the raw number of people, but the fact they're all transplants. Phoenix metro had 50,000 people in 1950, now it's 4 and a half million, most people moved there within the last 30 years. Do you think a guy from Chicago is magically going to abandon his Reddithawks and root for some shitty meme team just because he now lives there?

This is completely different than OKC where most people are actually Okies.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13253684 http://www.strawpoll.me/13253684 http://www.strawpoll.me/13253684 http://www.strawpoll.me/13253684

important poll

>>76689365
NHL is a gate driven league why would they not care about attendance? And far more NHL teams sell out every game than NBA teams. This is easily researchable.

>>76689396
Milwaukee can have the Coyotes.

the last expansion team us pretty much Seattle's to lose at this point

>>76689396
That's a good hockey market desu

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IT'S NOT FAIR

>>76689429
The longer the yotes get cucked out of first overall the more likely the ownership just flat out quits and sells the team

Seattle is basically dead at this point since the city is autistic for rejecting every proposal for a new arena in sodo

>>76689429
Milwaukee gets them regardless, but Quebec should be a new team, or Carolina. The NHL is in such an odd state as of now anyway

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>>76689451
All according to plan

why does nobody think the panthers will relocate

>>76689319
>>76689336
americucks

>>76689316
okay post

>>76689451
To be fair, they have a lot of resignings. It's not like they're going to add significant free agents with that money.

>>76689478
Everything goes wrong for the Coyotes and yet they still don't move. The arena is in buttfuck beaner central, the project for new arena in Tempe where white people actually live fell through, the team is consistently utter garbage, they have no fans and no history, yet they're still there.

>>76689425

>gate driven
>he believes this

Just because the NBA's TV deals are massively larger doesn't mean the NHL isn't still more TV dependent too. The NHL would be beyond bankrupt if their main financial dependency was selling out arenas that hold 20,000ish people (considering they routinely fail to do so in most markets).

>>76689451
>3 NHL defencemen

lol

>>76689498
J schultz and dumoulin coming back for sure. Anything else may or may not happen.

>>76689522
I think they'll bring Trevor back on a 1 year

>>76689509
Next year the an NHL team gets $6.5M from the NBC deal. There's no way the NHL is more TV dependent than the NBA.

>>76689494
>calling me Americuck
>born and raised in St. Albert
ok

>>76689478
they haven't rejected the key arena proposal and actually have billionaires backing an NHL group to pursue a team. Bettman went on record saying the current proposed remodel is NHL worthy. The vote will be by the end of 2017 and the council is expected to pass it.

>>76689509
Nobody in the NBA goes to the games because niggers are poor and are often bandwagoning a player from the other side of the country.

Doan to penguins when?

>>76689509
You're insane. NHL's TV deal is very small. It's only like $6mil per team each year. Ticket revenue is like $1mil+ a game in the cheap markets.

>(considering they routinely fail to do so in most markets).

This is not, again look at the data. Most teams sell out.

>>76689499
Also, why the fuck do arenas NOT think of a hockey team being able to play in arenas?

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i want to beat the shit out of mcgaykid

worthless fucking trash

crosgod should've had the mvp

>>76689562
The pacific division already has 8 teams so bettman has to either move the coyotes to a midwest market or just expand in the central and wait until the coyotes move there instead

>>76689569
no one should want Doan, dirty player who isn't good anymore

>>76689620
I think Arizona is in MST during the season so can't they just play in the Central like the Avs? They should relocate eventually but the balance isn't the reason.

>>76689620
This is how it should go

Coyotes to Seattle (Change name to metropolitans)

New team in Milwaukee

Panthers move to Cincinnati

Carolina moves to Quebec

>>76689639
The timezone may only be one away, but having to constantly fly to Chicago and St. Louis instead of California is some pretty brutal travel

>>76689640
Coyotes to Utah would make more sense. Competing against the >Jazz and some soccer team that has no following would be a better investment.

Shitattle is becoming soccer town as its secondary sport. And with the Xecucks obviously dominating the #1 spot. Its not as lucrative to get into.

A hockey team could legitimately be the #2 in Utah or maybe even the #1 if they ever became relevant. It wouldn't be that tall of a task to dethrone the fucking Jazz.

>>76689613
>tripfag
>pidgeons and shitsby fan
figures

>>76689640
>Panthers move to Cincinnati
If we're establishing another team in Ohio, Cleveland makes a ton more sense than Cincinnati. They have an AHL team with a solid following and they actually had a NHL team in the past. Cincinnati has nothing, it's a baseball town.

>>76689680
The problem is with the NBA, you compete directly since they have the same seasons, whereas competition with other sports is somewhat limited because the NHL plays during their offseason

>>76689565
>>76689565

>no one goes to NBA games
>hurr only niggers

It's not the 70's grampa. You realize the Celtics, Raptors and Bulls outdraw those cities respective NHL teams that play in the EXACT same buildings. Let that sink in, the Raptors outdraw hockey in TORONTO. The Bulls, a complete garbage team, outdraw one of the most successful teams in hockey.

I don't see the rats or canes moving because they've shown promise with prospects and haven't been babysat by the NHL for the past 5+ years or so

>>76689706
Mate have you been to Toronto. it's half darkie and half chink.

>>76689680
Utah doesn't have a functioning arena for hockey, which is retarded because you should be a multi purpose arena and at least know an NHL team could show up


As for seattle, the problem is that they're filled with hipsters and there's WAY too much attention for the sonics to return

Portland would be a logical move though, as it is in the Pacific Northwest and could establish a rivalry with the Canucks

>>76689686
Cleveland did have a team, but I'm saying Cincinnati because the market is saturated in Cleveland. There's no competition against lebron and kluber and the Browns

>>76689371
People there will just pay attention to the Raiders instead

>>76689713
This. The only team that's in relocation trouble is phoenix

>>76689721

But that isn't the argument. His argument was that the NBA doesn't draw attendance, even though it really beats the NHL by miles even in traditional hockey markets, despite the tickets being 2-3x more expensive.

>>76689724
Clevelanders will completely forget basketball even exists the second Lebron leaves, which might happen within a year or two.

>>76689743
Doesn't basketball seating have more seats than hockey?

>canadian bias
racists

>>76689706
You realize there are more seats in a basketball game held in the same arena as a hockey one, right? The rink takes up more space.

>>76689713
People are too shortsighted they see bad attendance and assume there's a problem with the market.

Only teams that fail to draw when they're good (Yotes) should be moved. If we relocated every team that had a couple of down years there would be no permanent ones besides the Leafs, Habs, Rangers, Flyers, and Sabres.

>>76689759
Yep.

>>76689752
Probably, but the Indians are also there. An AHL team is fine there, but who knows what the cities may want

>>76689775
>>76689759

by a few hundred seats, depending on the arena. Some of them don't even have to sacrifice space depending on how/when they were built. Not enough to reconcile the thousands in attendance the NBA is beating the NHL by per game. Especially when it's a more expensive product that supposedly "no one attends".

>>76689743
>despite the tickets being 2-3x more expensive.

incorrect

>>76689680
the thing with Seattle is they have no indoor winter sports. the NBA are gone and probably won't come back. the NBA commissioner said to the mayor of Seattle that they aren't considering expansion until the next TV in 9 years deal and every single team is currently secure in an arena.

With Utah or Milwaukee, you have NBA teams to compete with and both markets are smaller in size. Seattle represents the biggest market without a winter sports team in the United States. that is far more lucrative opportunity than Milwaukee and Salt Lake City

>>76689807
The nba gets more fans in the finals then the regular season though. Literally the tickets are beyond comprehension yet people can manage to buy them.

>>76689807
Let's put it the dumb way for you: if both teams sell out to 100% then the team with more seats will have "higher" attendance

But also less than a third of the NBA sells out every game so it's a moot point anyway

>>76689792
the yotes have had one good year in their entire existence. they've been run by bankrupt retards for 20 years might as well put them out of their misery and have em fold.

DYHTS when you pop popcorn but like 10% of the corn is unpopped?

>>76689818
Utah is a lot more lucrative if you consider the fact that people travel to Utah in the winter and ski. The place isn't bad, and the jazz aren't too bad of a competition. Same can be said for the bucks. The problem emerges when the arena in Salt Lake City can't hold an NHL game, so that either eliminates them or holds them until the arena is renovated

>>76689829
Only places like golden state, San Antonio, OKC, Chicago, and Cleveland really sell. Maybe Boston and Toronto also, but the NBA can barely sell out outside of those major teams

>>76689829

>if both teams sell out 100%

but that's rarely true. And the point is the paltry difference in capacity between the sports in the same arena doesn't make up for the difference in attendance. Nice try moving the goalposts though.

>But also less than a third of the NBA sells out every game so it's a moot point anyway

but their attendance is still higher despite playing in major cities with other major sports teams and other things to do where they aren't the only show in town like Montreal, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, Florida (Sunrise), etc.

Question for swedes

Does anyone know more specifically what type of ethnicity he is ?

With his brown hair and brown eyes and his facial features, he doesn't look like a typical prototypical Swede like Oskar Klefbom does

Is there a name for brown hair and brown eyed swedes?

>>76689853
Milwaukee is a better option since hockey is already embraced there and the new arena they'e building right now is NHL/NCAA standards

If the city can de facto support a market of 100k population and sell out every game they can surely support hockey

>>76689806
The Indians despite being really good actually have shit for a fanbase and their attendance is low. We need more teams in the Great Lakes cities like Cleveland and Milwaukee where people actually give a shit about hockey, not places like Vegas and Phoenix.

>>76689873
and Dallas, Miami, Portland, NY, LA, etc.

>>76689873
That was my point from the start but also that it doesn't matter as much in that league due to their cashflows. He somehow likes to argue against facts though.

>76689886
No more (You)s for you if you think that two Toronto teams selling out every game means that one of their teams is more successful at filling the arena than the other.

I'm going to miss my boy Theodore.
I think he's going to be on the top D pair eventually, he just needs to be more consistent.

>>76689620
Calgary and Edmonton move to Central

Vancouver
Seattle
SJ
LA
Anaheim
LV
Arizona
Colorado

Edmonton
Calgary
Winnipeg
Chicago
St. Louis
Nashville
Dallas
Pedosota

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>Penguins official twitter account adding a flower to their name

>>76689919
Phoenix metro is more eastern than calgary/edmonton
and why the fuck are you moving colorado to pacific

>>76689940
I like the teams being sappy about their expansion losses. Preds had a comfy Neal tribute video.

>>76689898
Obviously that as well, but then again, Utah does have a lot of people traveling to see winter sports and shit like that

>>76689902
Indians have shit attendance because of???

>>76689914
The NBA still gets a shitload of cash because blacks will always watch the sport. Even if porzingas becomes the face of the NBA (VERY UNLIKELY), they'd still watch it

>>76689952
>Indians have shit attendance because of???
Because Cleveland doesn't really care about baseball that much. It's pretty weird considering everyone there always talks about the Browns which have been the biggest joke in football forever and the actually good team gets ignored.

>>76689955
this

the Indians went to the eries last year and were 27th in attendance.

>>76689955
You guys got shitfaced against the Cubs. At least that gives you some recognition. Or is lebron still running the inept city?

>>76689059
They already do

>3 picks in the top 15
>5 picks in the top 45

>no farm team and the draft is shit

JUST

>>76689967
I'm not an Indians fan, but I'm from Columbus so I know Ohio teams and their fans. They've been to the eries three times in the past 20 or so years but the city just doesn't care about them.

>>76689983
Well, what would you expect from Cleveland? Them to care for baseball? I live in Brooklyn and it's as if nobody cares for the isles. The nets are advertised more often for fucks sake. Hell, even Jeremy Lin is still popular among the Chinese areas and hockey BARELY gets attention, even when we drafted the first Chinese hockey player

what time is the roster freeze lifted? I saw 7am but I can't remember the time zone

>>76689982
Think they knew that and tried their best to get picks in future drafts

>>76689996
Well thats because lin was actually relevant before a few months instead of a literal who that didnt play a single game in the NHL

>>76689300
>carolina
>moving

>>76689996
I'm just saying NHL in Cleveland makes sense. The Monsters which are a goddamn AHL team sell a bigger percentage of their arena than the Indians which are an elite major league baseball team.

>>76689620
O M A H A

>>76689897
We call them Swedes.

Maybe he has a vallon or german ancestor that came here 200 years ago

>>76690025
I mean, at least NOTICE that one of your people was drafted by the hockey team within the area

>>76690039
It would, but the chance of success would need to be high. Also, Cleveland isn't the nicest place in America, so few would want to say "We need an NHL franchise here!"

>>76690067
>Also, Cleveland isn't the nicest place in America
True, but neither is St. Louis let alone Detroit which is the shithole to end all shitholes.

>canadians are this afraid big swedes coming to take their hockey so they conspire to give all trophies to muh canadians
pathetic

>>76689948
>implying anyone gives a shit about Colorado or what is best for them

Phoenix belongs with Vegas/A/Anaheim. Splitting those four up would be dumb. Remember how the schedule is calculated

2 games against the 16 teams in the other conference (32)
3 games against the 8 teams in the other division (24)
The remaining 26 games are split between the rest of the division (5 teams at 4 games each, 2 teams at 3 games each) (26)

The difference between being in the same division and being in the same conference but opposite division is minor EXCEPT for the standings/rivalry implications. The travel is meaningless and the time zones work better for Calgary/Edmonton being in the Central than Arizona/Colorado.

>>76690067
Cleveland is also hella masochistic and their most supported team (other than coasting on the reputation of LeBum) is literally a walking joke. I don't see cleveland becoming an attractive hockey market and/or columbus moving there if ever

>>76690100
Why are Swedish forwards so pathetic? Is it because Sweden doesn't have men?

PS, gibe defencemen

>>76690092
And those franchises were established before all the blacks came and started their downfalls

>>76690115
Pretty much. Cincinnati is a better place just from Kentucky being close by, but who knows if people want to see hockey there

>>76688631
He should start by playing defense. How about some PK time?

>>76690100
>>76690123
fight fight fight fight

>>76690100
They are pathetic af, reminder the Canadian media was literally trying to split the Conn Smythe between the two goalies instead of admitting Malkin was in the lead and the NHL had to tell them they were being retarded and could not vote for a tandem instead of a player.

>>76689613
Damn kipp you looking yoked

tfw you burn the popcorn and set off the fire alarm when you try to repop them

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So many feels

>>76690135
And I'm saying it again, Cleveland has a NHL history, Cincinnati does not. If you want to corner the Kentucky market it would be more logical to put a team in Louisville, although Kentucky is more of a basketball state (I still don't get why they don't have an NBA team).

>>76690177
>extension of the botch franchise known as the California Golden Seals
>folded after 2 years
>muh history
Yea that's gonna be a no there pal

>>76690164
DUDE FEELS LMAO

Fleury is a shitty goalie that cost the Penguins more cups than he won them

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Fleury is gone forever

welp good thing I gave up NHL. guess I'll come back in about 10 years

>>76690101

> Separating Vancouver from Edmonton/Calgary

Nigga, you stupid.

>>76689726
They relocated to arizona in 2014

>>76690153
>canadians
Is there a more insecure nation when it comes to sports?

>>76690299
>literally just a name change
Is this bait?

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>>76690299

>>76690135
Our echl team barely survives at us bank arena. We used to have the mighty ducks of the AHL and that folded too. We have too much money sank into the reds and Bengals.

So it's pretty much a given Fleury will be the GK's first captain?

>>76690299
>Phoenix relocated to Arizona

>>76690326
Neal imo

Laine blown the fuck out.

>>76690299

Not sure if serious or really good bait

Either way, will use in the future

>teemu pulkkinen

>>76690388
>finland

>>76690326
Methot

About to drop a fat, stinky Albertan and call it a night.

>>76689919

How about this instead, north west and south west

North West:

Colorado
Vancouver
Edmonton
Seattle (from Arizona)
Winnipeg
Chicago
Minnesota

South West:
San Jose
La
Anaheim
Vegas
St. Louis
Nashville
Dallas

7 In each and the rivalaries are way better

>>76690469
>Nashville
>St. Louis

>South West

dumb leaf

>>76690469
>more travel
>makes no sense when you try to adapt those divisions to east
>"muh rivalries"
Go back to plebbit kid

O M A H A WHEN

>>76689919
This.

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>>76690223
It's just symbolic. Fleury being drafted signaled the beginning of times changing for the penguins. One of those cases of someone being there so long, you just forget one day he'd be gone. Doesn't help that despite all the playoff meltdowns and disasters, he's still a fan favorite.

>>76690012
7am CT

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How do we fix the Isles financial woes /hoc/?
>Literally sell tickets for $2 once
>Still not selling

>>76690616
Honestly, through all the talk of Arizona and Carolina and Florida and the like, I think the Isles are the most fucked team
They literally don't have a home when their lease expires. What the hell are they going to do, share MSG with the Rangers? That's even further from their fanbase.
Can't move back to Nassau, it's been renovated.
Where the hell are they going to go?

>>76690616
>Nassau old as hell
>Barclays sure as hell doesnt want em
>MSG sure as hell doesnt want em
>League can't move them bc historic franchise
Just try to beg nassau for a new arena since the chink isn't majority owner anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ama2IkJFtuo

>>76690616
tfw 1 canucks "worst team in the league" regular season ticket is like 41 isles home game ticket

woah

so this is the power of capitalism

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How long until redditfuckers realize that this guy has been bumbling around the franchise for several years now

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>>76690469
>South West
>Nashville
Top kek what