/indy/- Indycar General

Lyle Larson won another race, may give Cheap Ganassi the motivation to put an Indy 500 ride together for him.
He has said repeatedly that he'd like an opportunity.

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Couple tests took place this week.
Chip Ganassi and Penske tested at Watkins Glen.
Probably eager to repeat their success there from last year's race while most other teams(who were testing at all) tested at Road America.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141471-indycar-lights-test-at-the-glen-road-america

Esteban Gutierrez tested for Coyne at Road America, not certain why they had that secrecy unless it's not an absolutely done deal that he's in the car.

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>we are back
good shit.

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I heard AJ Foyt was at Le Mans this weekend.
so why doesn't Alonso do Road America? it's not like McHonda are going to be winning anytime soon.

>>76636327
$$$$

>>76636327
He was indeed there for the first time(I think) since his win in 1967 with the Ford GT program.

>>76635889
IndyCar is sort of garbage. The cars are just so rudimentary. It's like they just stuck together some random bits they had lying around the garage.

F1 cars, on the other hand, are the most advanced racing cars in the entire world. Quite literally the pinnacle of automotive technology. F1 creates technologies and sets standards that are then employed across the automotive industry. It is the series that literally leads the rest of the entire automotive industry behind it.

Carbon fibre monocoque chassis - yup that came from F1. F1 was also the first motorsport to use sequential gearboxes, which then found their way into road cars. KERS/hybrid engines for high performance road cars. Yup that's come from F1 too.

That's why I think IndyCar is a bit wank. Because it's just too rudimentary. The cars are just really cheap, crappy versions of F1 cars. Also I guess it has the problem that many American sports have - it's Americanised. It's full of bloody adverts (yes there are billboards and sponsor logos in F1, but they show the entire race without commercial brakes. That doesn't happen in IndyCar). And it doesn't have races outside of America. It's quite obviously just an American product for American audiences. But this probably wouldn't be so much of a problem if the cars were better than they are.

Even F2 (formerly GP2) is better than IndyCar, I think.

Basically you guys should watch F1 instead - or just build some better cars.

>>76638255
>commercial brakes
I meant commercial breaks, of course

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>>76638255

>>76638255
yikes bud, slow down or someone might think you have a bit of an inferiority complex

>>76639162
Why the fuck would I have an inferiority complex when IndyCar is - like I explained - an inferior product to F1?

>>76639652

>F1 is superior


That's like your opinion man...

>>76638255
Indycar led the way in safety and practical innovations.
The rear view mirror as a concept began in Indycar in 1911.
Tire development closer to what we use today also began at Indy in the 1913-1919 whereby tires that used to use rubber and weaved fabric, began using braided wire for stronger sidewall tires.
Halibrand, at Indy in 1946, was the first to use magnesium alloy wheels.
In 1923, a Model T Ford was entered and took 5th. The advantage it had was using as many lightweight aluminum parts which made the car punch above its weight.
In 1923, the first supercharged racing cars were sent to Indianapolis to race by Mercedes.
In 1952, a turbo charged Diesel Cummings engine was entered into the Indy 500. The first of its kind.

In the 1920's, Intercoolers were engineered to cool the air compressed by a superchargers. They made their debut at Indianapolis for the purpose of racing there.
Front wheel drive was engineered for Indycar racing in the early 1920's where it saw a fair bit of success for the time.

Methanol and alternative fuels were experimented with first at Indianapolis in the late 1920's.

The concept of Seat belts were first used in Indycar in 1922 after a string of fatalities.

Four wheel disc brakes were a technology that made their debut at Indianapolis in the late 1930's.

Four Wheel Drive made its debut at Indianapolis in 1934.


Indycar benefits from being decades older than proper Grand Prix racing and it stands to reason then that most of the bedrock innovations would make an appearance in Indycar first.

I would argue that Indycar has made more strides in safety than F1 has even if F1 took over the performance developement side of innovation after the late 60's.

>>76639726
Not really. Objectively, the cars are far more advanced. They're just in a completely different league. The cost of building them is, of course, much much higher because of this.

>>76639742
>safety
Literally the most boring aspect of racing. Well done.

>this level of jealous obsession

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>>76639766
Thanks m8.
I find it fascinating because there's no reason Bourdais should have survived this 231mph crash into a wall, but he did.
Scott Dixon should not have been able to survive his accident at Indianapolis this year, but he did.
It's a crash that would not have been survivable in a modern F1 car because of different design philosophies. Indycars have to be able to mitigate a lot more energy than an F1 car does because the chance of a Grand Prix car hitting a wall at 220mph is very slim, while it's a real possibility in Indycar.

>>76639766

>The cars are far more advanced


Maybe britbong, but the fact that Indy is a spec series makes the racing a million times more exciting than even this years F1. I prefer F1 because it was easier to get as a kid but Indy car is just a better watch even without all the hybrid electric stuff. Until the new owners fix the wealth distribution system in F1, we're doomed to watching races that are decided on pit stop and tire strategy.

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/NASCAR/ guys, how is Bristol Motor Speedway?
Is it any good?
Good race?

Graham Rahal wants to test an Indycar there with a low DF/high HP set up.
How do you think that would go?

>>76639852
The F1 cars are certainly more advanced as tech is concerned.
About the only thing notable about the engines in the current Indy formula is that they're the high revving engines with mechanical valves. F1 engines use pnuematic valves.

Different strokes, but I would encourage the Brit guy to watch this weekends race at Road America.

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>>76638255
>F1 cars, on the other hand, are the most advanced racing cars in the entire world
Yes, gaze upon "We are the pinnacle of motorsport!" in all its self-important finery.

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open-wheel oval racing is the most dangerous thing you can do.

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>>76636208
anyone would be better choice than Gutierrez.
he wasted the detroit double round "trying to adapt" to indycars. Coyne needs a quick experienced guy like Vautier. Or focus more on Ed Jones.

>>76640066
Gutierrez very well be bringing money in the form of another sponsor.
That's something that Dale could use after Texa$.

it would be like putting all the drivers into a blender and turning it on.

No way they make it around a half mile track with 28 degree banking without someone dying

>>76639913
sounds like the dumbest thing ever, perfect for Indycar

>>76639913
>>76640101

>>76640101
Oh kek.
A test there would still be amusing to watch for the simple purpose of setting the unofficial track record by a few seconds.

the 2018 aero kits look sexy. I like no more rear bumper pods. even though I thought those were added for safety.

>>76640199
we found out right away with the dw12 that those pods don't actually work

https://youtu.be/hVW6Fy04UB0?t=2m

>>76640199
Didn't really do the job very well.
Supposed to stop cars from launching, when they were observably not doing their job very well so the manufacturers turned them into to an even more effective aero device.
Won't really miss them.

>>76638255

K.

>>76638255
F1 gave us power units.
argument invalid.
power units will be looked back on as one of the greatest mistakes in automotive engineering history.

I do wish Indycar had more international races like how CART went to places like Brands Hatch and Surfer's Paradise. There's ovals outside of America too that Indy can use like the British Rockingham and Motegi.

>>76640477
Doubtful Rockingham is in any condition, a Brit anon shed some light on its situation a while back, and Motegi was damaged in the earthquakes.

Power units are an interesting idea, but LMP1 cars were already doing that and doing it better for that matter.

guys, stop replying to /f1/ shitposts. don't give them (You)s.
hide, ignore, do not respond.

>>76640531
We can entertain the notion that maybe they just don't know what they're talking about for the first couple posts.
They usually grow bored before then anyway.
Sometimes they ask questions that I wouldn't normally be prompted to answer by normal posters, like what innovations have come out of Indycar for example, most fans don't ask, they already enjoy the series and probably know the trivia.

F1 is expensive and losing constructors. You've got merc and Ferrari.

WEC and Indy are far far better series.

F1 is not what it was.

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>>76638255

>>76640721
WEC LMP1 is just as expensive to run as an F1 program.
In fact if I'm recalling the Peugeot/Audi years correctly, they outspent the most expensive F1 programs.

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texas was another memerace.
thank goodness the next race is on a roadcourse.

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Good or bad result for /our guy/ Alotion?

>>76640801
>thank goodness the next race is on a zzzz
Don't get me wrong, i love road america but Texas was fantastic.

>>76640602
Yo this guy is clearly copypasta though. It's on par with the cricket>baseball copypasta with how obvious it is.

>>76640823
Not very good, but SMP was one of the few teams not using the Oreca7 Chassis. That Dallara must be a real piece of shit.
I also did not really watch the race, SMP could have had shit luck or the team is just not very good.

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Alonso didn't win Indy because he didn't do the Indy 500 for the right reasons. His logic was that he was only doing it because Mclaren were so bad in F1 so he rather try the Indy 500. It's more of his passive aggressive emo bullshit to piss off McLaren/Honda. He did it because of his situation in F1 not because he genuinely wanted to win the Indy 500. Mclaren are still bad so why doesn't he do the whole Indycar season then? Maybe Honda can send him to try MotoGP next.

>>76640602
anyone who just comes in here, insults IC, and doesn't even have a question about it or want to learn about it can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. I'm not even giving them the satisfaction of a reply, and you guys shouldn't either.

>>76640801
this
plus Road America is the best road course on the schedule.

>>76640823
I like Mikhail Aleshin but his team didn't do well at Le Mans. they finished behind a lot of lower class cars.

but then again, Chip Ganassi, Scott Dixon and Tony Kanaan didn't do very well either in Chip's Ford GT's, at least compared to winning the class last year. I think the ACO fucked them pretty hard with the Balance of Performance because the Fords were so dominant last year, due to those cars being basically homologation specials.

but endurance racing is a different beast than what those guys do in IndyCar, 3 drivers in each car, and a long, long time to race. there's a lot more time for things to go wrong.

can you boys do the texas race time so it's on at a decent time here on a saturday morning.

3am monday morning is shit

>>76641753
sunday morning I mean for comfy race time

Add this to the next OP to help international viewers, thx.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?p1=158&iso=20170625T1215&msg=IndyCar%20-%20Road%20America%20-%20Race&sort=1

>>76641753
IndyCar always uploads the full races to YouTube a week or so after if you don't wanna stay up super late

>>76641885
live or nothing m8.

only time I watch later is /turnleft/ to get through those brutal ads if Ican't watch.

If I don't watch live I'll usually just watch the highlights

>>76641922
they cut the ads out of the uploads

>>76641753
Sorry no can do lad, we have too few night races as it is

>>76640762
Yeah but because it's closed wheel and 24hours the companies can test technology that is much more relevant to consumer cars. Which is why Porsche and Toyota even bothered. They want to see if they can make a electric motor worth anything compared to Tesla. F1 and Indy both suffer right now because open wheel is expensive and the tech is useless in consumer cars.

>>76640823
He did well as an individual driver. He had strong times but the team as a whole was meh.

Tony Killnan had the best le mans he brought his car up to the top 3 during his stints from way in the back.

Dixon did ok nothing bad nothing good

>>76646305
Dixon was also adjusting his driving style due to the left foot being injured. He was right foot braking.
Tony is a good driver, Texas was just a bad race for him.

>>76646191
I agree to an extent.
Right now Indycar has a purpose built race engine formula. The technology may have transferred a little bit, but if they opened up the engine regulations a bit, gave a maximum HP target, max engine displacement, allow I4, V4, I6, V6 engines, and put a cap on allowable costs, it's entirely possible some manufacturers would find that interesting enough to jump in.
You would definitely see some ingenuity while avoiding the late 90's- early 2000's CART situation where there are almost no caps on HP and spending.

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I do have to question if it's safe to have that light mount where the rear pods used to be.
Seems like a problem waiting to happen, not that the Indycar Chassis isn't a million times stronger than a F4 Chassis, but I think that rear frame is the type of thing that pierced Billy Monger's chassis in the accident he lost his legs to.

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Alright you guy who are in the posse.
Which one are you getting?

>>76647512
the light is in the exact same position as it was before

>>76646536
I think they more manufacturers needs to be a priority. They pretend there is a competition and all that but there are only two and both are very good. Its silly really.

>>76647588
I want a hat.

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so has the era of Chevy dominance come to an end?
Honda are supposed to be the weaker package but somehow they managed to win Indy.
Andretti Autosport somehow have won 3 out of the last 4 Indy 500s. I guess I can't make fun of that faggot Michael Andretti anymore.

Speaking of Monger's accident and the changes it may have.
https://www.motorsport.com/indylights/news/mongers-f4-crash-sparks-indy-lights-safety-modifications-920569/

Not very specific as to what they'll do, but they talk about not wanting the cars to ride up the nose to the cockpit in the event of a crash into the rear end of a car.
>>76651370
Depends on how their upgrades do next year.
Honda really worked hard the last two years to catch up and overcome their aero kit deficit.


Also
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/2017/06/20/opinion-pippa-mann-and-racing-backward-gender/409631001/

Women barely compete with men in chess, I don't think it's a coincidence that there are almost no successful women in motorsport. It's unlikely to just be sexism, besides racing is dangerous and men don't like to put women in dangerous situations.

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Indycar tops viewership on NBCSN for that week.

The reality is that with so many programs competing for viewership, sponsors should re-evaluate what a good rating is. Seinfeld in the 90's used to draw a 15.0+, the highest rated sitcom The Big Bang Theory only draws a 5.0.
From Television's inception to the mid 90's you only had 20 over the air channels. Then Satellite Tv came out with 1000 and you've suddenly split everyone's attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EQ1TWUo3YU
Graham Rahal onboard at Texas race.

http://www.nbcsports.com/video/rapid-fire-katie-hargitt-conor-daly

In this interview we learn that Conor Daly can't cook and Rossi can.
Rossi's family are italian immigrants so it would stand to reason they passed recipes around.

>the city of conor Daly
Didn't get past the first obstacle in Ninja Warrrior kek

Thank you janitors.
>>76652849
Conor is definitely /ourguy/
He'll be in JUST mode until he breaks through with his first win.

>>76653295
what if he's just a slower and less attractive version of Vitor Meira?

>>76653339
Miera wasn't a short stocky Irishman with no neck and no luck.

>>76652498
I have to agree with Pippa
an all women series would be bullshit.

if someone's got the balls (or ovaries) to get in a race car I say let em. no need to segregate.

>>76653431
It's more down to ability.
Has Pippa ever done anything notable in lower formulas?
Has any women really?

Women have a separate category for Chess as well, but they are allowed in the normal divisions. It just seems like women aren't able to compete as a rule.

>>76653568
I don't think you can say women will never be good drivers.
the Force sisters are pretty damn good at drag racing. Katherine Legge is doing pretty well in the IMSA Honda NSX.

but think Danica Patrick set female drivers back decades by basically being a sex symbol that happened to drive race cars, with all the bikini modelling and shit.

>>76653663
I just don't think that women as a rule can compete on the same level as men which is why we see so few.

The other half of it may be the psychological reluctance to put women in dangerous situation. It's probably very logical why we've never seen a woman in the top rungs of Formula racing.

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>>76652498
the Monger crash was fucked up.
it's hard to prevent on-track situations like that where you're unsighted. nothing could have been done differently it's just unfortunate.
Until I saw the article I didn't make the connection that Carlin would try to change something in Indy Lights. Is the Dallara IL similar to the chassis in British F4?

An all-women league is bullshit because there are already 8 million racing series. If the best she can do is a local GT series or ARCA, too bad.

>>76653974
I'm thinking the Lights car is WAY sturdier.
As I recall reading, the F4 car is only required to be crash tested at about 60mph.

It also seems that the monocoque is paper thin because the blunt rear of the other car penetrated the front of the car and destroyed dear Billy's legs.

I think Indy Lights is more worried about the potential fro a car to ramp up the nose and have the rear frame of a car smash a driver's head.

>>76653568
Pippa isn't bad. She not wreking cars or anything. Shes just never doing anything notable either.

>>76654070
>all-women league
Reminds me of this
https://youtu.be/6Od54GvhoMk?t=4041

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Here's a comparison of the 2015 and 2018 Speedway kits as they were introduced.

https://twitter.com/FirestoneRacing/status/876847117628846080

>Tfw Sato-sama is the KANG of Japan

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>>76655410
>the call that saved my career

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It's national Eagle day apparently.


A thought on how Honda vs. Chevy will stack, the Chevy aero kit is less draggy and can trim more for the long straights at Road America.
Could be a blood bath.

>>76652552
The thing is if you wanted to watch Seinfeld back then you had to watch it on its scheduled time.

Now you can just wait for Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, etc and watch the series on your own terms.

I really only tune in to races and GoT on time these days.

The Kohler GP at Road America is 5 laps longer than it was last year.
This means that unless you can save 20 miles worth of fuel over the course of the race, then all teams will be on a 4 stop strategy.
Unless there is a huge amount of yellow flags(traditionally there aren't many) then even if a team does save that much fuel, they'll be losing tons of time on this extremely long course.

>>76656710
everyone is always saying how good Oriol Servia, is, how he deserves a full time ride?

why?

he's been driving in CART/Champ car/IRL/IndyCar for over 17 years and only has one win (Montreal '05) and one pole (Surfer's Paradise '05).

>>76660072
are you blaming that crash on servia?

anyway, he's only had 3 full seasons since the merger, and when he was in cart he was a solid driver that was up near the front constantly. just one of those "what if" guys and he has a nice personality so people like him.

>>76660127
>are you blaming that crash on Servia?

aren't you?
he clearly moves over to the right into the back of the other car.

>>76660161
try watching this one >>76655164

davison clearly moves down thinking he is clear while serviva goes as low as possible until the natural momentum of going 225 mph takes him in the normal arc off the turn

>>76652843
>you will never get interviewed by Katie Hargitt

why live

I think Servia is one of those guys who has experienced a bit of everything.
He's had so many years in CART, Champ Car, and a couple seasons in Indycar.
If nothing else, he's a good development driver and it would make sense that he would get a call from Indycar to test the 2018 kit and from some team owners to fill in and do a couple one off races.

>>76660192
>you will never date/marry Katie Hargitt
There goes the dream of blonde children.

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>>76660236

>>76660283
"Anon can you help me unzip this? It's really hot inside"
"Gee thanks anon, now I can get ready for my date with Chad tonight!"

>>76660338
Bahaha, my name's not Chad, silly Katie.
Want to go to the Mug N' Bun?

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>>76660338
IT'S NOT FAIR

http://www.pippamann.com/2017/06/19/the-handmaids-racing-series/

>>76660498
she's right

>>76660498
>one of the few sports where men and women can and do compete equally
Demonstrably not true in Formula cars.
While the way it was introduced may seem demeaning, I have to wonder how women felt about women-only chess.

http://www.racer.com/international/item/141597-robby-gordon-pleads-guilty-to-traffic-offenses-after-street-donuts

literally ourest of guys

>>76660755
>demonstrably not true in formula cars

then demonstrate

>>76660760
kek

>>76660760
>australia doesn't allow fun
so many things begin to make sense

>>76660760
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>>76660774
Proof is in the pudding don't you think?

The Formula ladder has largely equal cars in the lower rungs.
What does Pippa Mann's record look like?
1 win in Indy Lights, 3 poles there as well. Remember that Indy Lights is a bit of a joke due to the small field, the car count is only now coming back up.
Simona de Silvestro's?
She managed 1 win in Formula BMW and a total of 5 wins in the Atlantic Championship. She finished 3rd in points in Atlantics once though.
Katherine Legge?
3 Altlantic wins.
Lyn St. James?
Again, not terribly impressive results, but she did score a win and some podiums at the 12 Hours of Sebring alongside her two other teammates.
So which woman are we looking at and saying "they need a shot" because it seems as though once they get to the top rung, we see a lot of 0 Wins, 0 Poles, 0 Podiums.

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>another boring Dixon championship

>>76661036
It's not over until the fat lady sings.
A lot could happen.

>>76661021
look at the average male driver stats, you see a lot of the same. It's just that there are so many average drivers are male that you ignore them and only focus on the females. They can hang, there's just none that are elite yet. There's only 1 Scott Dixon vs thousands of Marco Andrettis and Conor Dalys, so it's a bit unfair to expect the odd woman to be on his level.

>>76661137
this

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>>76661045
>another Will Power championship

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>>76661045
>>76661411
>>76661036
[jaws music intensifies]

Indycar status quo is about to be SHOOK

>>76661435
Awwww, he's so little!

>>76661137
I see a lot of Championships.
The champion always gets into Indycar for one season.
Rarely does a non champion get a seat, but occasionally they bring funding.

Pippa is complaining about sponsorship, but has never won a championship in her career. For that matter, none of those women did.
Yet they have the gall to bitch that they don't have rides outside of one offs.
Well no shit.

>>76661411
It's Newgarden's time.

>>76661698
hard to win a championship when you're not full time

>>76661698
>it's Newgarden's time

maybe if he stops speeding in the pit lane.

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141577-mclaren-indycar-return-a-few-years-off-brown

>>76661955
Full time in lower rungs m8.
An Indy Lights/F3/GP2 championship should be the only way into a ride, but all of those women I named brought sponsorship that they said was very hard to find and bypassed that requirement.
>>76661968
Yeah there's got to be something going on there because in years past that has never happened.

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>>76662039
People are delusional about this Alonso/McClaren return to Indy.

Indy is 1/10th as popular as F1 even if its way more popular in the US than F1.

But ignoring that McClaren spends $10 mill on the car alone in F1 and has contracts with F1 and Honda to race. Alonso gets paid 40million dollars to drive the car and also has contracts. Indy used to be huge but leadership failed where F1 succeeded and its only real prestigious event is the 500, on a global level.

On top of that you are talking about McClaren investing more money into the logistics of an Indy team and the roughly 5 million on a set of Indycars and then the crew and infrastructure etc.

This is from a team that is struggling to even complete races in one series.

Clearly, McClaren considers INDY a top tier motorsport series compared to say NASCAR. But the prestige of INDY is way down and the audience is way down. How can they justify investing all that money into a new smaller series when they are failing at their current series? Its just not going to happen.

As for a driver like Scott Dixon or whatever.

Scott is old. He's good but F1 basically breeds drivers for the series. They wouldn't want some 40 year old guy to come race for them for a couple years. They need someone who knows nothing but F1 who is willing to take shit and do it for years. Europeans and others only have F1 and so its all they want to race. Kind of how in the USA people only give a shit about NASCAR. McClaren doesn't want to have to deal with a driver quitting because he's old, not naïve enough to stay in in a tough situation like F1 paddock culture etc.

Its not like INDY is very different. The drivers are basically home grown or got bumped off a ride at F1. And even though INDY takes F1 drivers its not like they find much success over here.
Just look at Gutierrez or Chilton.

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>>76662514
>McClaren

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This Driver named "Toby Aneounsed" is driving for Dale Coyne again this weekend. Commonly spotted in the off season with the team, he was amiss the 2017 season. He has cropped back up.
>>76662514
I don't think they'll return full time, but they might run an Indy one-off every year.
They just have to choose a driver

>>76662514
>mcClaren

wtf I can't even finish reading your novel, this triggers me so much

>>76662582
is it Gary Airy?

>>76662514
I think Dixon or Power or any of the top drivers in INDY could win F1 races but actually signing them on for a season is a risky move when you could just grab a young 18 year old bred for the series.

Also, Indy needs to think carefully about letting Alonso hop into the 500 every year without racing a season.

Would F1 allow and Indy driver to hop in for Monaco? I doubt it. That's ignoring the part where you have to find a car. The cars being 10 mill and even then only 2-4 are competitive also makes the whole idea odd.

On the other hand WEC lets Indy drivers in no problem.

It seems like Le Mans and the 500 are happy to let people compete for the triple crown prestige but when will INDY guys get a chance for Monaco?

That would hurt the whole series to have all these F1 drivers making news for attempting or succeeding at the Triple Crown but INDY and WEC exclusive drivers never do.

They need to work something out or just tell guys like Alonso, thanks but you need to do a full season to compete at the 500.

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>>76662514
>McClaren

>>76662622
if they made people do a full season to do the 500 they would never have 33 cars in the race

>>76662622
It's a european and FIA thing where they're afraid their self made artificial prestige could be damaged if any entertainment or excitement is ever made for the fans to enjoy

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can this please be the motor/sp/orts thread. i just want to talk about racing but there are never threads for anything but F1 and now indy

>>76662663
this
F1 is afraid of being EXPOSED
which is why IndyCar doesn't get to race at COTA or Circuit Gilles Villenueve

>>76662741
no.
go to motorsport general or make one if it isn't up.

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>>76662757
you can't make me

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does /sp/ have REAL passion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHlqEo9f9A&t=468s

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>>76662611
More than likely.
Apparently Dale wants to make it suspenseful.

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>blocks Vautier's path
>jumps in Bourdais' seat

>>76662855
my mind is too busy formulating solid shitposts to react outwardly

>>76662741
just post it and don't ask anon

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http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2017/06/20/handful-of-sponsor-changes-tba-at-coyne-on-road-america-entry-list/amp/

>>76665076
The constant sponsor changes are annoying

>>76665483
A reality of the times.
Graham's Gehl Livery looks fucking awesome though.

>>76666632
meanwhile Penske can't resist having one car be black/white

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Graham's car for this weekend.
Team just posted it.

>>76667316
very nice, Graham has had some good ones this year

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Really, really good write up that covers a lot more than Bourdais crash at Indy.
Some insight we've never had before as well.

Please read:
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/2017/06/21/sebastien-bourdais-its-pretty-straightforward-simple-id-dead/412351001/

>>76667316
RLL always has good paint jobs.
not all boring like Penske.

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Despite the first game's horrendous handling problems, I can't help but find myself excited for Project Cars 2(I picked up the first from the bargain bin so I wasn't burned).
Feedback from the game has been very positive in regards to fixing what was wrong with the first game and they haven't been afraid to show it off either.

Am I setting myself up for disappointment?

>>76669307
I wish there was an official IndyCar game for PC

>>76638255
IndyCar put limits on tech development to make the series more financially stable. Americans hardly care about non-NASCAR so you can't splurge too much.

Anyways hasn't F1 also done the same? They put limits on how much tech you can put into the car so that they can have more than 3 teams running.

>>76669397
I agree.
A standalone Indycar game that borrows data from the simulators that Drivers use in addition to telemetry from Honda and Chevrolet would be fucking awesome.
Include historic cars and all tracks in the season(with some previous ones) and it would be awesome.

How to market it is the hard part and who would do development for it?

>>76669307
can you explain why there are braking zone distance markers on the oval section of the track?

https://twitter.com/SPMIndyCar/status/877183504752271360

If any of y'all niggers live in WI, go meet /our guy/ Alotion.

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>>76669672
Ask IMS?

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>>76669788
I was gonna go but it's the busy season at work and my boss is a prick and wouldn't let me have the weekend off

FUCK
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>76639966
>12,000rpm
>high revving
Frigging NASCAR engines would be doing that by now if they didn't put in the gear rule. 15,000rpm on mechanical valves is old hat.

>>76669672
It's not like everything to ever race at Indy has been a babby mode 500hp/3000lbs of downforce open wheel car.

>>76667845
Great article. It's nice to read a story about track doctors that isn't about having to scrape a driver's body parts into a bucket.

With Le Mans still fresh in memory, some insight into the LMP1 situation.
The category sees works teams spend as much as a F1 team for just one notable race, the P1 cars nearly lost to P2 this year.

https://www.motorsport.com/lemans/news/opinion-was-le-mans-17-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-lmp1-920977/

Indycar is in a bit of a similar situation in so far as manufacturers are spending money on the engine programs for the exposure that only one race on the calendar brings.
The magnitudes are different though, $170 million vs. $25 million.

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This weekend's broadcast schedule.

http://www.indycar.com/News/2017/06/06-21-Vasser-SVRA

Jimmy Vasser has been in interested in returning to team ownership since KV racing fell off the map this season.
The man is dedicated.

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Have you seen this man?
If so call 911 immediately, he's a maniac.

>>76669530
unfortunately i'm not sure there's enough a market. racing sims tend to sell more in europe and noone there cares about indy

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>>76669530
I have this old one made by codemasters who make the annual f1 games, but they're probably to busy with that to bother these days

Where's a Jamaican most happy when he wants to travel somewhere?

>>76680378
pon de river pon de bank

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>>76679937
>no road or street courses

>>76681215
>tfw no Indycar game with ovals

>>76681292
that game is all ovals.

IRL was absolute shit, CART was the superior series for years until IRL finally got away from being all ovals.

I'm glad IndyCar is 2/3rds road and street now

fuck TonyGeorgefags

>>76681343
>tfw no new* indycar game with ovals
but IRL was fun, more fun than CART between 2002 to 2006.

>>76681448
>all turn left
>fun

not for me
if IndyCar was still all ovals I probably would only watch the Indy 500

Project cars 2 will have lots of IndyCar stuff, I'm pretty excited desu

https://twitter.com/IndyCar/status/877626729598251008

/Our frog/ has been nominated for an award.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE to send him energy.

>>76681895
>lose a championship
>be nominated for best driver
The state of nigger hamilton

>>76681551
Texas is in the game, which means we can test different DF levels there until they aren't racing in a pack flat out just for shits and grins.
>>76681895
A bunch of Indycar drivers have won that the last few years if I remember correctly.

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tfw no /Penske/ gf

>>76682740
Is that Penske's designated team groupie?

>>76681551
Will they have Tony Kanaan mode where you can see how many drivers you can eliminate in one race and still finish top 10?

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>>76683543
AYO WHITE BOI
>*turns right*
HOLD UP
>*enters your line*
YOU FUCKING SAYING
>*Crashes you into your teamate*
THAT I MADE
>*takes out half the field of drivers
A FUCKING MISATEK ESE?
>*bankrupts a team singlehandedly*
BECAUSE IVE BEEN HERE 25 years ESE
>*1.8 million in damages for a 35k purse*
IM A FAN FAVORITE BRO, NOBODY WILL BLAME ME
>*finishes top 10, in a field of 11*
YOURETHE FUCKING AMATEUR
>*only won 4 races in 10 years*
>*plucks unibrow*
>*acts like a funnyman for the camera because is 'fan fave'
YO BRO WELCOME TO MY SERIES
>*embarrasses himself at Le Mans
>*teammates comment the car was drenched in sweat and smelled bad after his stint*

BRO FUTURE TRIPLE CROWN COMING THU
*Sees you drafting and gaining speed after taking a better line*
*waits for you to pass*
*turns into your tire*
TOP 10 FINISH BRO, FAN FAVE COMING THRU

>>76681935
>>76681895
Imagine how ass blasted Hamilton will be if he loses this to anyone.

>thats....interesting ooga booga

>>76683543
>>76683740
How can you be THIS assblasted about based TK

>>76683740
Listen, I love TK but i laughed.

Gutierrez confirmed for RA this weekend

>>76682740

She can GET IT.

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>>76683920
*leaves his line to block your path*

BRO THAT WAS MY LINE BRO, I EARNED THIS POSITION I GET TO DEFEND IT

>*doesn't win antoher race for 10 years*

>fan favorite

wew. why do you like this guy again?

>>76684725

Dr. Manhattan-looking motherfucker.

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/penske/

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141627-gateway-to-repave-before-august-indycar-race
A little bit of excitement here, a litle bit of nervousness.
Firestone has already tested there to make sure they brought the right compound, don't want another competition caution situation because Firestone's tires are shit.

Exciting due to the unknown nature of the track.

>>76687466
Can't be worse than it was before, they were stopping every 15 minutes to fix the track during that test

Speaking of, here is the testing they did at Gateway this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTDGFrqVWME
Couple things to note, while it is in Madison County Illinois, the Speedway is really right off the Hwy and has it's own road leading to it.
You don't have to go near East St Louis, thank God.
It is near a landfill, some say they smell things, others say they don't.

I'll be attending the race both Friday and Saturday. I will also getting a paddock pass to see how many drivers I can meet.
It's the only race within close proximity(1 1/2 hours) to me.
When that finally comes around in August I'll post impressions here.

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http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141633-podcast-the-week-in-indycar-news-june-21

Robin and Marshall podcast, Indycar week in review.

>>76689408
*in this episode, Marshall talks about having death wished upon him through gay rape.

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>>76689514

Sounds like just another day on Trackforum to me.

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>>76689568
Good to have a place we can talk about this sport on a much more real level than TF even if we have to bump it from page 9 occasionally during off weeks.
Everyone there is an armchair expert and rarely provides real insight.
They also argue fucking semantics all the time. I have to question what they're even arguing about half the time, like did they ever stop to question why it mattered?

>>76683740
top kek

>>76684403
why was Gary Airy TBA for so long?
Dale waiting for the check to clear?

>>76690006
this
I registered for trackforum and immediately regretted it. what a bunch of fuckhead boomer Tony George worshippers. if they had their way, IndyCar wouldn't exist anymore.

>>76677298
good
we need more teams and more drivers
imagine if there was 33 cars in every race and not just the 500. and there was Bump Day at the 500 again, with teams fighting for a spot in the race.

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>>76690399
It could be a number of things, Gutierrez may not have had the funding or was in legal trouble with that Formula E team, Dale may also have had other drivers lined up as options.

I think Dale just likes to make jokes about Driven and talk about hiring Jimmy Bly or Joe Tanto.

>>76690456
Don't think we need 33 cars every race, but 26 is a very healthy number and between all prospective teams Indycar could reach that number.
Some adjustments need to be made to the leader's circle and general payouts anyway to include more than 22 entries as well as a general increase in payout.
Doubling the Leader's circle payout would make it much easier on teams, but of course you have to determine where that money is going to come from.

>>76690490
From now on:

You can only post ITT if you saw Driven IN THE THEATER

>>76638255
Go home Lewis.

>>76689568
Esteban sucks so idk why that guy is worried.

>>76695218
that's like a 6 year old post, use context friend.

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Official now.
He'll also be in the rest of the season.
http://www.indycar.com/News/2017/06/06-22-Gutierrez-back-with-Coyne

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Some more info on how they expect 2018 aero testing to go next month.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141651-indycar-preparing-for-first-2018-bodywork-tests

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>>76696968
This is that Trump was talking about when he said we aren't sending our best.

>>76697144
Kek
Should we build a wall around Gutierrez?

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>>76697249
Build it and he will crash.

>>76697385
Road America is very much like an old F1 circuit where there's no paved run off.
Falling off the track at a turn means you'll eventually go into a wall.
Can we expect to see that this weekend from him?

>>76697483
this
plus it's pretty narrow
very old school track

>>76697655
Reasonably, but there are plenty of passing opportunities given there are 3 long straights.

>>76696968
Gary Airy knows Road America already, he raced there in 2007 in Formula BMW. not to mention he's been testing there with DCR. it's not totally new course, totally new car like Detroit. maybe now we can see what he can really do in an Indy car.

>>76697144
Underrated

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Josef Newgarden in the bright orange DeVIL BISS livery this weekend.
Pray for no pit speeding and he might actually win a race again rather than getting a top 5-10Z

I wish the company I work for would sponsor an IndyCar. Earlier this year, they sponsored the Darrell Wallace Jr. XFINITY car and it looked really good. Our color scheme is well suited for liveries...

I won't post a pic here, since this is not NASCAR, but: http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-932-524/public/16Hmstdbem02693.jpg?itok=L0iZFjbg

>>76700631
bretty gud

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I think Scott Dixon is probably Indy Jesus.
The man is too much of a class act and successful to be human.
He soars far above everyone else.
http://www.wthr.com/article/scott-dixon-surprises-9-year-old-fan-who-wrote-encouraging-letter

>>76700631
You can post it here, a little bit of Motorsport is okay as long as someone makes a half assed effort to relate it to Indycar.

>>76700964
I respect him but I still don't forgive him and TK for crashing out Rossi at Texas.

Ganassi is on thin ice with the #RossiPosse.

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Spotter's guide for the weekend.

>>76701240
Has no one ever told Hildebrand that his hair is... it's just... well... not very good?

>>76701288
business in front party in the back
all the other drivers have short/slicked back haircuts he's bucking the trend

>>76701288
He's trying for the Arie Luyendyk look.

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>>76700133
leave it to penske to have the same sponsor but more boring livery than a poor pwc team

>>76700964
wonder what she smelled like

>>76701472
they need to hire a new graphic designer or something

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>>76701498

>>76701472
>boring lively
I think their bright colors and patterns are actually really good.

>>76701560
sure it's better than the black/grey/white newgarden was using for a few races. But look at the PWC car. Changing the white to a matte silver makes the orange pop even more. Big minus for the lines following the standard penske template as well, makes me divert my eyes in boredom.

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>>76701560
>solid grey (with red?! wtf)
>good

>>76701602
>Changing the white to a matte silver makes the orange pop even more
Eh, i don't know. it looks better orange/white or black/orange.
>>76701617
silver/grey is a really boring color in everything but clothing imo.
Their other colors are great, the blue and white, yellow and white, black and white.

>>76701288
In all fairness the picture makes it look worse than it is

>>76701240
I wonder how many cars Mario would beat if he decided to run the race in that 2 seater

>>76701166
this

>>76700631
loved that car when I saw it on tv

>>76702178
it is was against 2011 cars and field he could get a top 10 in that heap of junk

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Mikhail Aleshin could be out of the car this weekend as Democrats have suggested he is a Russian Spy.
As a result poor Mikhail's VISA is having issues.
Robert Wickens, a DTM driver, could be filling in for the Russian this weekend.
https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news/aleshin-immigration-issues-prompt-wickens-indycar-call-up-921652/amp/

https://twitter.com/SPMIndyCar/status/878002059412250625

REEEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

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Not as breaking or exciting as dear Aleshin's problems, but Indycar is narrowing down what company will provide upgrades to the electronic systems for the car in 2018. These will ensure the new Steering wheel works.
The old steering wheels are costing significantly more right now than the new ones for next year.
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/141658-new-electronics-coming-with-2018-bodywork

>>76703459
>>76703453
Aleshin confirmed coming to america on a boat.

One less /ourguy/ at Road America.
That sucks, we now have TWO FUCKING LEAFS in the series.

Only so much Great White North a man can handle.

>>76703433
what the fuck

Not the first time Mikhail was fucking screwed by VISA/Customs/Sanctions.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/indy-car/2014/11/26/mikhail-aleshin-not-expected-to-return-to-indycar/70087084/

It's worth noting that at Fontana in 2014, Mikhail nearly died. His injuries were a lot worse than reported.

you gotta be FUCKING KIDDING ME
this Russian boogeyman shit needs to stop.

>>76703459
>>76703453
well this is fucked. gonna have to mix up some potion tonight to make it through these rough times

>>76703453
>another fucking leaf

>>76704931
amen

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just realized there's practice tomorrow

>>76707234
do they stream it/broadcast it?
at what time? I always been itnerest in watching Indycar practice because although its my favorite racing series(over F1 even) I've never seen a practice session and only some qualys(ies?)

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>>76707495
>Stream it
You bet.
Friday practice Streams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovb3KYbp2GU

Come watch with us.
I'll post the links for Saturday activities(doesn't include qualifying, that's broadcast) and Sunday(doesn't include race broadcasts).
An anon should at least stream the race.

what can we do to help keep alotion in motion

>>76709055
Absolutely nothing unfortunately.

>>76700133
Hey that's pretty cool

>>76703433
this happened to Simona de Silvestro in 2011. Simon Pagenaud replaced her for Sonoma that year.

probably some douchebag Customs/Immigration officer is jealous that Mikhail is a professional race car driver, and decided to go on a power trip to make things hard for him.

I guess it never occurred to me, but Graham Rahal is only 28 years old.
I thought he was 30+.

Aleshin is heading back to the US now, he will race this weekend

what a joke. Mikhail is gonna miss practice because some stupid bureucrat wanted to be an asshole.

ALOTION
I
N
MOTION

Is it just Indy Lights practice right now or did I miss Practice 1 for Indycar?

how do I listen to IndyCar radio?
is that a satellite radio thing?

>Rossi fastest in this practice
fuck yes he's gonna win #RossiPosse

Shit d-did I sleep through practice?

>aleshin will be back
everyone drank enough potion it seems. we did it, we found a way

>>76717884
Robert Wickens drove Mikhail's car in today's practice. hopefully he has some insight for the team and Mikhail as to how the car is handling.

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>current model Miata as safety car in a current model Miata spec series

Pretty fucking stupid

>Connor Daly 2.4 seconds off the pace of P1 Rossi and 1 second behind Munoz his teammate

JUST

>>76718569
what's your problem with Miatas m8?

>>76718713
>what's your problem with Miatas m8?

Where did I say anything against Miata's?

Point being made was it's stupid to have a safety car that looks fucking identical to the rest of the field.
If I didn't tell you the safety car was in that pic, would you know it was?

nice finish in the Mazda race

damn those guys race those Mazdas hard. that was totally awesome!

>>76718746
what should they have had for a safety car then?

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>>76718826

Obviously.

>>76718891
kek!

I agree

>>76716514
Was going to respond, but was away from home.
http://racecontrol.indycar.com/
You can find live timing and scoring+Live Stream+Indycar Radio here.

>>76718958
oh ty but I knew that
I guess I was wondering if it was something I could listen to in my car on the radio with having to subscribe to Sirius

>>76718981
*without

I can play racecontrol on my phone while driving but my phones speakers aren't loud enough to be heard over road noise and I can't plug my phone into the stereo of my car

>>76718826
something that wouldn't be able to compete for a win against the cars it is leading

>>76719032
but MX-5 is a tiny kinda slow car.
what would be slower than a Miata that is made by Mazda? do they make any kei cars?

>>76718807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Xvv4TXMc0

was it like this?

>>76719054
RX-7 on a tow truck bed

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>>76719032
they could have Connor Daly be the safety car in his Foyt car

>>76719054
one of their SUVs or the mazda 3

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Was Dan /ourguy/?

>>76719187
ye

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Here are the Practice 1 results.
We'll keep better track of when Practice 2 is now that everyone is awake and functioning.

Practice 2 is in about 1 hour and 15 minutes Gents.

>>76719270
This leaf is slow

>What is the track record at Road America?
1:39.866 / 145.924mph (234.791 kph) set by Dario Franchitti, 2000 Team Kool Green Honda Reynard, CART Championship Race

Worth remembering that Dario's car back then had 1000hp and produced less drag(and less Downforce in turn). The straight away speeds today are around 192mph while they may have been upwards of 205-210mph in a CART car.
With that said the cornering speeds were barely comparable. The modern car probably does 10+mph around every turn on the circuit and is flat around the Carousel, that would have been unheard of back then.

>>76719319
What does it say about poor Conor's performance?

Aleshin would have put a faster time in, that's for certain.

>>76719359

CART confirmed for superior
IndyCart confirmed for shit

>>76719406
>superior
>died

hmm?

>>76719270
ROSSI
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>>76719406
If Chevrolet and Honda turned up the boost to create 1000HP, that record would fall in a heartbeat.
They might even be 2 seconds quicker than the 2000 Reynard.

The CART cars were draggy as hell, the PANOZ DP01 is the closest looking thing to an updated CART Indycar and even it is 10 years old now.

>>76719319
he's just filling in until Aleshin's plane lands in Wisconsin

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>>76719495

>race car 20 years newer is faster

>>76719544
The new car is faster at most tracks with significantly less hp.
For how hamstrung these cars are by low HP, they did an excellent job setting records on road courses everywhere except Road America.

>>76719570
aerodynamics, suspension, etc. have come a long way

pure horsepower matters, but not as much as it used to

especially on a track like this, it's all about that cornering speed

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Really want to see this car run at Road America since maximizing Downforce while reducing drag was one of the primary goals.

The 2018 car might be slower on shorter courses by a half second, but the straight away speeds should be up by a couple mph.

Major Engine Manufacturer upgrades are also due next year.

>>76719599
Actually HP makes a big difference at Road America.
Most other tracks the modern Indycar is faster, but RA has such long straights that the fastest way around is hauling ass down straights and going slower in corners.

>>76719613
I love the new road course aero.

not a big fan of how the superspeedway aero looks, with the tiny rear wing, but I get that you want less drag on an oval.

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>>76719635

You post on Trackforum, don't you, m8?

>>76719635
yeah true but did you see how the cars were damn near going into the grass on the corners during practice 1? it doesn't matter how fast you are on the straight if you can't slow down in time to make it through the corner. that's why I like when IndyCar races road courses. it isn't just pedal to the metal all the time.

>>76719658
No.
I'm simply making a factual statement.
If TF happens to parrot that, then the old adage "a broken clock is right twice a day" applies.

There's a reason Road America is the only Road Course record to remain standing.
The cars are too draggy down the straights and the HP won't allow them to reach 200+mph like they used to.
The cornering speeds are extremely impressive though.

>>76719658
is trackforum the "go back to red it" of /indy/?

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>>76719654
I actually don't mind it at certain angles.
The front is particularly attractive.

Did you know the flicks in front of the rear wheels are slightly different between the 2018 Road and Oval kits?
One is optimized for low drag while the other produces a bit more DF while lowering drag.

>>76719745

It is now :^)

>>76719745
Probably.
No one here is calling for front engines roadsters though.

>>76719749
>The front is particularly attractive.

The long lawn dart nose is ugly af